June 25, 2025 • 44 mins
In this spine-chilling episode of Crypted Creeps and Conspiracy, we dive into the eerie history of Port Arthur Prison in Tasmania, Australia. From its notorious penal colony beginnings to tales of hauntings and escapes, join us as we uncover the dark secrets and torturous practices that plagued its prisoners.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur,_Tasmania
https://wheresshelly.com/port-arthur-paranormal-ghost-tour/
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https://www.dcceew.gov.au/parks-heritage/heritage/places/national/port-arthur
https://portarthur.org.au/what-to-do/#:~:text=Deep%2C%20cold%20ocean%2C%20thick%20forest,and%20sought%20after%20holiday%20destinations.
https://portarthur.org.au/history/
https://www.britannica.com/place/Port-Arthur-inlet-Tasmania-Australia
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur,_Tasmania
https://wheresshelly.com/port-arthur-paranormal-ghost-tour/
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Speaker 2 (01:04):
Hope see soon.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Who doesn't like a good white Russian. Then I see
the ball going, look at the ball go. Yeah, yeah,
he knows what I'm talking about. Right, Well, that's a
digital high five. He's like, that's this guy, jokester, Oh, that.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Is so perfect. That's the best Russian accent I've heard.
Every time you bust out the accent, it goes off.
That is awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
You love that funny?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
In the American parlance is crawled pleaser.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You know he's good.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He's met a good I have a friend from middle
school in high school who would disagree with you. His
dad had a very no. Every time I would do it,
most people would be like, oh, it's spot on, it's perfect, bro.
And he's always like, should sound more like this? And
then like he would do it everything, I'm like, you
know what, you know what? Fuck you? It doesn't matter
what you It matters what the audience thinks.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, the audience is what matters exactly. The customers are
always right.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
All the time.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
He knows we oh okay, you just.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Can't do it. Captain. It keeps saying my dog's name.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
What's your dog's name.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
My dog's name is Gunnar. He's got a Viking name.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
That is cool, but it's spelled and people think it's
Gunner and in ar Gunnar. All right, let's go ahead.
We are I know we did this last time. We
were on a show together too. All right.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So this actually was inspired by when I did my
episode with I Think my Fridge is Haunted and I
found he's from Australia and oh my gosh, she's so
adorable and I found spectacular location that was researched in
good old Australia.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
We love Australia.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, welcome back everyone, because I totally left that part out.
Oh I'm with us Selaine and Matt from Peculiar Pairings podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Hello, guys, have been were you? Were you on my
sixty nine episode?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I'm trying to remember which one five of us?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
It was like a madhouse?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yes, yeah, that's yes, that was ok.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah yeah, that's why when I got on here, I'm like,
oh god, is it just us? Because I'm like, no,
whole bunch of people.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But if you haven't listened to that episode, it's episode
sixty nine Sextraterrestrials. Now, oh right, yeah, do not listen
with little ears around. Don't recommend listening to it at
work unless you have headphones in.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But it was an awesome episode.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Oh yeah, we have the cat balls are on the
ems freaders, on the spirit boxes on everything is on
like normal. They really like the Russian accent that Matt
has been doing in my.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Pre game, so only the patrons are gonna see that.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So you guys, yeah, go subscribe to that to get
the Russia.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I mean it is like, okay, you know what, why
don't we do.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
This Because on their episodes they always pair their episode
with a beverage. So I actually, in the spirit of
having them on the pod, I provided they're pairing. So
in your best sensible, in your best Russian accent, tell
us what the drink is this.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
This drink is called Tasmanian Tweeter cocktail. He's very good.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Now, I want to tell everybody the reason I picked
the Tasmanian twist was because this whole thing goes down
in Tasmania, which is Austrillia. Okay, but anyway, so this one,
we're going way back in the time machine to eighteen thirties.
Oh yeah, eighteen thirties, George Arthur built a small timber
(05:00):
mill that later became a penal quality directed at what the.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Three Arthur Highway in Tasmania, Australia was.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Like, it's a penile colony that got erect in sixty.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So that's whar it was. Oh, I didn't even realize
that six maybe.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Oh no that I'm like, I just slid that and
I'm like, oh, okay, this is just going real south,
real fast.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I don't know why I needed a Southern accent that one.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Here's my thing is that Australia started as a penile colony,
so then they then made their own Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Oh that's what Tasmania is.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
They're like, hey, we're criminals and we don't even like
our own criminals, so we're gonna send them to somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
As we'll get into this, we'll get into this into
the madness.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Due to the lush forest cliffs reaching up to three.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Hundred which is nine hundred and eighty four point twenty
five two feet, and the cold ocean surrounding it made
quite the natural nursery to produce a prison post.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Okay, you have essentially land.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Oh it's yes, sort of forest, I imagine bigger, but
it's it's sort of like Alcatraz kind of where it's.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Like exactly what I was thinking, Yes, exactly with the forest,
thick forests, huge cliffs.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
So it's like, oh and this makes sense, Yeah, this
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
We're just gonna put it there, and to this day
it carries its weight in horror through the halls of
Australia's history. This one's pretty crazy, which is why we
brought up Tasmanian.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I was gonna do another one.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
The drink was called the prison bitch on the land
were multiple things, right, so it wasn't just.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Like a plot of land.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
There was a timber station and this portion was basically
for punishment. Uh, it was important. There was a primary
purpose of the post was to extract timber from the
previously mentioned forests.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
So again, lots of resources there to use.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, so do you know if the penal colony was
part of their punishment was gathering the wood like that.
We'll get to that, okay, but way.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Back back up we got here's the cart and the
horses behind it, and mask for that's driving.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
The horseless carriage, horse behind.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Trying to get to Hogwarts and his horse's carriage.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That's the time it's getting there. So that to be
a wizard, Harry.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So we have the timber station, but then there's also
saw pits and these were used to cut the log
timber and the smaller pieces that were later hauled off
to the nearby settlement via tramway.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Okay, again we.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Have natural resources that work as a defense system. So
great supply of fresh water which was right there. The
land was on so it was really deep harbor for transportation.
There were all kinds of different things there. The Tasmanian
Peninsula in which the colony resided was also surrounded by
very rugged terrain which made escaping and penetration of the
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penal quality very impossible, which to me I wrote in
here also sounds a bit like an Australian version of Alcatraz.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Really what I wrote in here, yep.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Sorry, I was focusing on the words penetration.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Well well I went with a penetration and pea. Yeah,
well actually it was rugged penetration.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Oh my word. I really wasn't been on when I
wrote these notes.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
When I wrote those notes, rugged for her pleasure?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah good, just a strong burly man so over picture
in Yeah, it's like the bounty guy.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Except yes, you ruined it for me. Oh my gosh,
this is George.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
We were just talking about George who created the penal colony.
Here's one part that we'll get into you later, but
it was also there. The tourists always flocked to it.
It's called the Isle of the Dead, and this contains many,
many unmarked graves, primarily of convicts.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
We will get into that deeper.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Make me sad, I was gonna say, it's like, I
know they're convicts, but yeah, that's so sad, just like everyone.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Deserves their own like recognition in that versus being unnamed.
In my opinion, I agree, I agree, that's it.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Like most scenarios in the prison paradigm, the facilities sought
to arm the inhabitants with skills set to send them
successfully back to society.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
What a concept, it was gonna say, Actually, like rehabilitating
people and making sure they can give the skills.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yes, they all start off as a good dream kind
of like my life.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
They usually do.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Danger danger Will Robinson, It.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Is a dangerous situation.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I agree, Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
But it does say most of the people that were
residing in this particular prison were repeat offenders. Oh so
clearly their process either I don't know if they were
repeat offending offenders before they got there, or they were
and still there.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
If that makes.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Sense, If you're going to keep doing the same crime, mate,
you're going to fucking Tasmania.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I don't want to go to Tasmania.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I'm like, but I don't know what. Just have it, son,
I'm just gonna stick them up to.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You're like the one American in the Tasmanian colony.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Look, I don't know what I'm doing here.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Look, man, I was just wrestling some cows and like Louisian,
I just did.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
That's a bitch wanted too far.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Roll right on in there behind their car.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Let me tell you this, cows never did come home.
Bless their hot Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Okay, okay, which is the most Southern thing ever.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
If I say bless your heart, that means go to hell.
Another added twist was the thought process that sparked the
structure used to quote reform such troubled souls was, at
the time a newly considered construct that convicts could be
reformed and punished simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Sure, yeah, they just want to have their cake and
eat it too, That's all they want.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I mean, why not, right, It's like when you put
a kid in the corner, Like they're definitely thinking about
what they did and they're you know, being punished, so yeah,
it's win win. It's like they're they're totally not gonna
do you.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Just you just wait, just wait.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I'm people would have loved to just have their circle
drawn on the wall to put their nose in. Oh no,
that whole concept molded the colony to what they refer
to as ambitious experiments. Oh if we all know that
anytime you have government involvement and experimental things, it never
(12:19):
ends well for the lab rats.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah. Yeah, you can have pretty much any word, but
if it if it's followed with experiments, you are not
having a good time.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
No, it's not going well.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
No experiments, even if the word is like happy.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Candy caine experiments.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
The thing about the candy cane experiments from eighteen eighty
three is they did not go where you think they went.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Hiding that. Yes, I am the experiment only hiding love.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, get away from those candy canes.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Bro I'm so sad.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
He's so lonely, and I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I'm s lonely.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I have nobody to call my own.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I like, I know, I know that song, but I
don't know it at the same time.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, sorry, adhd mens are not working at the moment
all right now. Methods that were used on the imprisoned
for Reformation were religious and moral instruction, which I could
only imagine was anything but a classroom full of courteous
convicts eager to learn.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, I mean that's pretty classic, like in terms.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Of indoctrinating everybody.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah, worried about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He should.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah, I could go anywhere anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So then there was also trade training that could have
came out really weird, okay, which I'm assuming running the
timber mill was the main trade. But we will get
into that.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I'm sorry, I thought you said train training, trade training
to the mainland nights. They just keep going back and forth. Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Trade training, yes, So that would technically include anything that
is like any sort of like construction trades, okay, or
it could be trains if you wanted to.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Technically that works.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Technically, it's a fall in that category. Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I'm avoiding so many jokes because it's going on to YouTube.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Other trades taught. Oh my God, we're coop ridge.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Because again I told you we're gonna get it into
it now, coup bridge. These workers would use tools to
shape and create barrels.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Okay, that I was thinking like, I was thinking like
birds like chickens.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
That that what you just described with barrels is referred
to as Cooper ridge.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yep, all right. I googled it and found the description.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Okay, what I would have done.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Thanks English language, that makes sense. Yeah, it's time to
get you in a coup ridge. Now he doesn't involve birds.
Stop asking about that. I grabbed his barrel. I can
bring it up.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Fucking Americans, America.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
They also.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Okay, a tradesman of this sort would use a lathe,
which is kind of like a chisel to carve wood
into various shapes.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, it's spun on a wheel.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
A good example would be when you see intricate table
legs and I was just starting to block of wood
and they chisel it down as it spins.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
All right.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
There's also, ironically enough, that is my grandpa's hobby.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And it's okay.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
They make like cuts and bowls with it.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
He loves it.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty awesome. Not here, Yeah, we're not
doing that here. No, No, there's also Taylors.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Naylors.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
That sucked in my head for just a second because
my roommate is named Taylor.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Oh, they just.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Run around and impersonate Taylor and they're like oil.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Exactly. I work for a government facility, non descript government agency's.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Like yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
There were also carpenters building and repair. Sure, okay, wouldn't
make them more likely to escape?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Oh do you trust the convictor repair ship that makes
Oh yeah, Probaly they were apparently, I guess highly supervised.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I don't know I was gonna say, because like you
imagine that they get brought out to like appear or something.
They've got a bunch of lumber, and the warden or
whomever is like leading that activity for the day is like, right, jeets,
we're gonna show you how to make a ship. Like
all the inmates kind of side at each other, like, well,
just to make sure you're gonna teach us how to
make boats that we can sail. Yeah exactly, Yeah that's right, Okay, yeah,
(17:25):
show us how to do that.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
From around here? Are you?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
One American shows up? They had to make a flipping boat.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
This thing is crazy. This thing barely stopped all the time. Yeah,
there's also prison tattoo artists.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And among the common tattoos, there were certain ones that
showed up a lot. So we had anchors, women, a
crucifix or across a heart, and a man and a mermaid.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And a mermaid. Okay, yeah, I do love that. Like
the anchor is still a sort of trope of tattoos.
Like even back there, it was like, okay.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Say that is actually my tattoo is an anchor. No ship,
have I not shown it to you?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I was tattoo has a tattoo of an anchor.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
You wait, your tattoo.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, the tattoo is the tattoo. I love that.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
It's a mermaid. It's a mermaid.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I was gonna say, yeah, you just hit two of
the Yeah, your mermaid tattoo.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Has I was hard at the petal quality.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, but I just got out. They taught me how
to make the ship.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
A long hard stay damage.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Yes, I am just a slightly bit slight bit damage,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, and I think we can we can open up
a little bit more. We're all more than just a
little damage here. Look at what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yes, but I don't like to admit it in public.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm nuts, man giving ship what stability?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But what is stability?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You have? You only have one personality? That's weird. How
do you have a conversation with yourself?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I so no, I'm convinced at this point in my
life that I was like a multiple personality person that
was just looking for another personality to talk with. And
I got a dog and that unlocked my brain. So
like just project another personality onto my dog. So I'm like, oh,
now I could just talk to people all the time
(19:30):
and I just like fill in the conversation like her
part of it. And it was great. It allows it.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
All the time too, but generally they're invisible, yes, and
the good people. So there's that.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Well, it's so get a dog, because then you can just.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Have the dog. I have two dogs, perfect.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well, yeah, you can have a whole party.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And though I don't need anybody else, these guys are
with me all the time.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I'm just saying, like, if you're walking in a park
or some thing and you're having a full fledged conversation,
if people see you walking a dog or two, they
don't they don't bet an eye at it.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Oh, I just tell them I have threads.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
That also works.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
He let me walk home, Yeah, exactly, and then you
look them dead in the eye and like fuck you.
Oh I'm sorry, I have dreads.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Okay, but anyway back to they were just squirrel a
hardcore Yeah all right. I could not find anything after
all of these different reformation methods, I couldn't find anything
on the rate of successful reformations. I did see that
many prisoners were transferred out to other experiments like the.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Pop I don't like.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Actually, the infant stage of the modern welfare system.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Oh, that made me profoundly depressed.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Just now I go there. They were also known to
go to the lunatic asylum.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Oh oh no.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
But at these asylums they were just starting to experiment
with quote unquote scientific treatment of mental illness.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Okay, we read a bunch of names.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Well I'm sorry. Do you know what the year is
at this point, because it's still eighteen something.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So I'm guessing this is what happened. Like after they
closed it, they went to these other places, which we'll
do later, which I believe is like eighteen seventy seven.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I don't love, I don't love, like, Hey, we're gonna
send them to some other mental asylum and the right
to the other experiment.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, that that does not sound like good times. Like
we've had enough problems with like many thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
We just talked about this exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Oh god, no, it goes When did it happen like
eighteen sixty seven?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
We just talked about it.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I just talked about it, damp.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And you know what would any haunted prison be without
the torturous techniques and tending to inoculate innocence?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
And did be incarcerated?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Oh god?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, boys, because this is about to get real.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Say why I think it was going to go there?
But like I was not prepared.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
It is always of course.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Look the only thing I knew about logging onto this
was Tasmania.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Okay, that's the point, right, dumb madam? Madam?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
How do you Americans say? Go yourself? Oh no, light
for that, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And you fall the smell of the berries.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Fun?
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Yeah yeah, I do like I like how you can.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Exactly there's more Italian.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
But I do like, yes, it is more Italian?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Okay, with Italian?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Is it? Bag it? I like how how much you
can put on that? Yeah? This is Matt motherfucker? How
you like?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Okay are you ready?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
All right?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Oh yeah? Or okay he's ready to We are all ready.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
You are out numbered, Matt, we are ready.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
That's many institutions over the years all have the first
one in common, unequivocal and unbelievably unpaid daily grind.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Yeah that slave labor.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
They performed a multitude of treacherous tasks, including hauling around
shingles long and song on timber.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Oh the splinters, oh my oh, I didn't even think
of that well, because it's not like they're gonna get gloves,
you know, they're just oh god, that just flashed me
back to so much of my childhood. Like not to
get too deep, but.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
He's just like running around with like just like tons
of just like family, just as kids.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Uh. We have a hunting shack in northern Minnesota, and
so just like how much wood we chopped because because
we didn't have like electricity or anything, so we just
had a wood stove. Yep. The hours that we spent
just chopping and hauling, Oh my god, that was my job.
I was, yeah, exactly, you know, we never got to
work the fucking chainsaw or anything. No, we just got
(24:57):
to all.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Logs the wood splinter. No, you're young. You cut it
and then you put it up and you put it
on the wood splitter and then I just run the controller.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yep. Yeah. The adults get do all the fun stuff,
and it's like, Okay, look, I know I'm still young
in spry, but like I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Although me out there in a bikini top. Daisy Duke's
building an axe was probably pretty hot.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
The look on Matt's face right now, I think I
just broke him.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Can you can you keep describing.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Well, it goes, it goes, gasp.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Like me, I do believe I'm getting the vapors.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I'm gonna kill this for you real fast trouble makers.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Trouble Makers would feel the wrath by enduring flogging, which
is being beaten with a rod or whip for those unfamiliar.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
That probably did not help your case.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Also they were they would be forced to perform the
same tasks that they normally would do, but with the
addition of horrendously heavy iron shacks. Oh my again, long
stays in solitary confinement.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
No oh.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
After eighteen fifty one, there was a colossally cringeworthy coal
mine that you would get sent to if you were
a troublemaker.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I'm sorry to interrupt, but was that deliberate, like alliteration
where you're like a colossally Yes, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
That was welcome. Would you one of my notes?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I appre Would you say that one more time? Please?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Oh, colossally cringeworthy coal mines?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Excellent chef's kiss. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
In eighteen forty five, they installed a terrific, terrifying treadmill
in the floor in the flour mill. Oh my god,
if I could talk. That's purpose was to turn the
grinding stones.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Oh oh okay, yeah, so they're they would have wheel
yeah yeah, yeah, so they have to do.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
That to like make flowers so you could actually have bread.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah, okay, okay, I mean at least you're also getting
a workout.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
That's well, that's true, except really bad guys, you know,
the really big trouble makers would be assigned to walk
the treadmill from dawn till dusk, only getting two meal breaks.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Oh they were exhausted, they were hungry, they were you know, just.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, well and just to put like an asterisk on this,
I deliver mail, and when you get into delivering mail,
you pretty much are exclusively on walking routes for like
the first two years. Yep, yeah, you walk from dust
till dawn. Yeah, or don the other one you got yeah,
mornington knight.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I feel that I know a guy.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Another popular method, as seen in most old school prison movies,
were leg irons. Oh yeah, now these six to thirteen
kilogram You're welcome thirteen oh very you were worn around
the ankles to prevent escape, and we're usually unwillingly wearing
fashion statement for at least a year.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Ohsh a year. I mean I feel like you'd get
used to the waight after a while. Well, it would
still like.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Because these are like the shackles stuffs, the.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Raw metal like on your so it's still like chase
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Leg irons. Does that mean because shackles are the ones
with the chains? Does this mean that the bar is
a solid bar that you're having to you know, do
the like yeah, the like that. I mean that's your
ass walk.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah yeah, that's just calisthenics. I mean technically you're getting
a workout.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah, okay, that just sounds awful.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
And if that didn't yeah. If that didn't get rid
of the picture of me chopping wood in your head,
what will?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
One of the original punishments was known as the lash.
Convicts were constrained to a wooden triangle shaped of apparatus
in front of other prisoners.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
And get ten.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
To one hundred lashes across their bare back with a
cat of nine tails to sprinkle in a little light
into the darkness here though. Yeah, the person laying down
the lashes was called a flagulator.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Ah okay, that brought me back. That brought me back.
I'm gonna be honest, I was into it. The only
thing that turned me off was the idea that other
people are watching.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I'm like, I want to be Oh, you just wait.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Not only that the person chosen as the flagulator was
whoever was the most hated inmate on the grounds what
the book, they.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Found the least like person. You were going to whip
this person with a cat of nine tails up.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
And they're like, I think that would be That wouldn't
be necessarily good. I wouldn't assume no, because that person
probably has more is like, this is my revenge moment. Well,
I didn't look at it from that perspective, I will
it all these inmates are watching you be the person
(30:19):
to torture the other inmate, which may or may not
be there, like buddy.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Also, so the the weird thing is like presumably either
they have been monitoring you to a point that they
know that you're the like asshole of the group amongst
a group of assholes, or like like you're all standing
in a yard and they're like, all right, we've got
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
It was obvious. It's not like they're subtle.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Wellycause what I was thinking if if it wasn't obvious.
So you're all standing in a group and they're like, hey,
we're going to torture this guy, and you're like, gee,
I wonder what assholes gonna have to do this? And
they call your name and you're like, oh wait wait,
I'm the one.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
That's least liked. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if they
were aware of that process.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
No, I don't think they were. And then you get
called up to do the whipping and you're like, I'm
the asshole and then yeah, just well, although I will
say it will motivate you to whip harder, because I
would be really pissed if I was designated as the
asshole of the group.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I would They don't know that. They just know that
one random person was chosen to whip the other one.
That's all they know.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Oh okay, they might not have okay, all right, yeah
all right. I feel like if you ended up sussing
out like what the criteria was, I'd be really pissed.
But I would make contact with everyone in the crowd
as I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm like, you guys did this,
Like this is your.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Fault, this is because of you.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
That's how I would justify it in my head.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Anyway, I think would have been crazy if you had
to whip yourself. But you are stuck. I mean you
are strapped. You are strapped, arm up, feet out.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I mean you are like spread eagle on this triangle thing.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
All right, you're but you're using a lot of terms
that are touching on a few kinks. So like if
oh by bad, like if it's yeah, if it's like
me coming out yea.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
In my eye.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
All the week since I got Bell's palsy, like my
face hasn't got like seriously, I got the palsy for
three months, like not like eight years ago, nine years
ago and ever since, I still like I can't even
cross my eyes. One of my eyes doesn't cross because
I still haven't got all the control back in it.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I don't think I will either, but we will get
myself not. One of my eyes never actually opens, like
all the way. Hold on, let's see you're on, ready, right,
I'll see if I did you see it?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I can see it.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, I'm guessing if my Matt's face he saw it.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
He goes related look look for the sake of not
sounding like an asshole, no comment.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I'm aware it's it's very bad, but it's just really funny.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I didn't realize that I think it's as bad as
it's definitely not as bad as you probably think it.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Selene, Selene, it's that bad.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Trying to take a selfie for somebody being funny and
I'm like across my eyes and I took the photo
and I looked. I was like, nah, I did it
three times, and I was.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Like, you delete that ship so quick, Selene, don't lie
to the girl.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I've seen way worse. I've seen worse, honest.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Ready ready ready, Oh no, but I could do that
before Bell's palsy.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Well, now I feel like, you're setting me up because
you're like, holy water, yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Water on it, the power of Christ, the power of you.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Leave this one thing.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Because whatever sayer's getting kick out of this too. I
think they're in on the joke.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I think that's what that was, because they've seen you
do this before and they're like, oh, she looks so
fucked up when she does this this bish.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Can you believe this bish she's doing?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
No, guys, come here, she's doing that again.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yes, exactly, look at this bit thing because she could wing.
She thinks that looks sexty. Look at her.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Where's Paul, She's doing the palsy thing. It's your name, bro,
He's crazy. It's crazy. Man. Oh you missed it. You
missed it. Oh my god. If you know she brings
up again, we'll bring you in.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
We're gonna shift gears here.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
From topic for a while.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'm sorry, Yeah, it's in a hot minute. It's okay.
We're bringing it back in. We're bringing backga in.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Those ones that I mentioned earlier were just the physical
torture tactics, but there was one major psychological method that
they used.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
O God, this is the part that's going to fuck
with me.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
In eighteen fifty one there was another prison opened and
they called it literally quote separate prison, which took solitary.
It took solitary to a whole new level.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Oh so terrible name, like marketing wise, but like great
name in terms of just like torture.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, it was. You didn't want to go to the
separate prison, right, exactly.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, everybody feared the separate prison.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
When someone to arrived, they were given clothes and made
to read the rules of the land, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Okay, there were rules. Okay, I just watched Fight Club
the other day.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Do not talk about separate prison.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Well, I don't think anybody really made.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
It out well. But also like they gave you the
workout equipment to get those he had in that movie.
Oh my god, such good absence.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Amongst the clothing that you were given was a metal
tag with a number on it. That number was now
your name, and you essentially lost all identity.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Oh that does not sound fun.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Sounds a lot like.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I was. Yeah, can we talk about that. Yeah, it
sounds like it is.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
The Holocaust before the Holocaust.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah, yes, Now you were not allowed to speak unless
it was under certain circumstances, whether you were giving information
to a guard or you were talking to the chap
with the chaplain.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Cha. Yeah, oh I would be dead in day one. O.
The rule is don't talk. I'm totally screwed.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
This very gets fun not They had their own cell
that was connected to the surveillance wing, their own ex
or size yard, and even their own cubicles in the
chapel to keep them completely isolated.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Oh that is so.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
A weird way. They look just the way that you
described it there. That kind of sounds like my heaven.
I'm like, I just get to be by myself all
the time.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
This is mine, this is all mine.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, the gym to myself.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
It wasn't big.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Oh okay, you're gonna get a very small room with
a tiny little yard and a tiny little spot in
the chapel.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
And also, anytime the prisoners would leave their cells, a
hood was placed over their head with nothing but two
slits for eyes, so that way you couldn't recognize anyone
even if you saw them, you were allowed to speak.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
So it gives me such strong penn State vibes.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I'm over here thinking of the college. I'm like, wow,
that's rough.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
No, I'm say, I'm trying to remember what exactly it
was that we talked about. Was it Eastern State Penitentiary
or was it where they did that with like the
hood Yeah, yeah, I think you.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Had it with Yeah, I think you had it with Eastern.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Yeah, I think it was yeah, Okay, I think it's like.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, the extreme measures of isolation where
it's like even when you're going down the like hallway
of other inmates, yeah, it's like they yeah, you couldn't
interact you. I don't think they put on any kind
of like sound dampening things, so.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Like you know they put on though.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Right for sure. Yeah, they put hoods on.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
The idea speak quiet, we don't talk here.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, I've already talked about that.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
But the way I look at it is, with all
these pasts, that all this torture, I'm surprised that anybody
could get anything done because I have an example of
what their diet consisted of, and.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I don't even know how they had the inner Oh we.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Haven't even talked about that.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
We have breakfast, ten ounces of bread and one point one.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Take a moment, regroup.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
One pint.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
There you go of gruel, which is a food consisting
of some type of cereals such as oats, well ground oats,
wheat dry or rice heated or boiled in water or milk.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I'm assuming water in this case. Oh god, that was breakfast.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
My favorite part is like the point of perspective on
this is that milk is like the fancy version. It's like, no,
you're getting just the water gruel.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, exactly. And that's all they got for breakfast. That
was it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Okay, So then there's only dinner and supper, so I
guess they didn't get a launch.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Oh no, Dinner is three quarter pound fresh or salted beef,
or half a pound of salted pork, ten ounces of
ten ounces of pudding, or one pint of soup, one
pound of cabbage or turnips, or one pint of soup
(40:18):
made from the meat. The last thing they got was
eight ounces of bread and half a pound of potatoes
if other vegetables were unavailable.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
That is strangely specific and depressing a lot of carbs.
There's a lot of carbs.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Well, they're bound a ragget in the day.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I will probably take the potatoes over the bread. Well,
I mean, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Overall, and then supper is the exact same as breakfast.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Announce the bread, one pound of gruel, that's it, one pint,
one pound Jesus Christ, one pint of gruel cheese. Yeah, okay,
so your biggest meal was dinner, Yeah, which I guess
was like a late lunch.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Is kind of what I was going to say.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
We get dinner and supper. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
This is apologized.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Oh yeah, we should definitely apologize.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
To like' sorry.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
And if the boys were well behaved during the week,
they were also given a handful of raisins on Sundays.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Oh okay, yeah, no, I'm done. I think I would
just send myself off the coast of Tasmania.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Oh just wait, that's only for the good little boys.
The good people got raisins.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Good people get behaved, however, would get their rations reduce.
And some were on a diet of only bread and water,
which is horrible. It backs you up and it is
Moore torture, tortured sometimes because you can't boom.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah. Well, and it's that kind of thing where yeah,
like you you keep and you feel like you're getting nutrients,
but it's it's just like empty carbs. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Oh god, that's awful.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Here's one thing too, is.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
It was closed when the last convict was removed, and
they said that was in eighteen seventy seven and the
land however, nothing was really done to it except it was.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Auctioned off in the eighteen eighties.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:04):
Hope see soon.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Who doesn't like a good white Russian. Then I see
the ball going, look at the ball go. Yeah, yeah,
he knows what I'm talking about. Right, Well, that's a
digital high five. He's like, that's this guy, jokester, Oh, that.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Is so perfect. That's the best Russian accent I've heard.
Every time you bust out the accent, it goes off.
That is awesome.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
You love that funny?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
In the American parlance is crawled pleaser.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You know he's good.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He's met a good I have a friend from middle
school in high school who would disagree with you. His
dad had a very no. Every time I would do it,
most people would be like, oh, it's spot on, it's perfect, bro.
And he's always like, should sound more like this? And
then like he would do it everything, I'm like, you
know what, you know what? Fuck you? It doesn't matter
what you It matters what the audience thinks.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, the audience is what matters exactly. The customers are
always right.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
All the time.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
He knows we oh okay, you just.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Can't do it. Captain. It keeps saying my dog's name.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
What's your dog's name.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
My dog's name is Gunnar. He's got a Viking name.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
That is cool, but it's spelled and people think it's
Gunner and in ar Gunnar. All right, let's go ahead.
We are I know we did this last time. We
were on a show together too. All right.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So this actually was inspired by when I did my
episode with I Think my Fridge is Haunted and I
found he's from Australia and oh my gosh, she's so
adorable and I found spectacular location that was researched in
good old Australia.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
We love Australia.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, welcome back everyone, because I totally left that part out.
Oh I'm with us Selaine and Matt from Peculiar Pairings podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Hello, guys, have been were you? Were you on my
sixty nine episode?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I'm trying to remember which one five of us?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
It was like a madhouse?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Yes, yeah, that's yes, that was ok.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah yeah, that's why when I got on here, I'm like,
oh god, is it just us? Because I'm like, no,
whole bunch of people.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But if you haven't listened to that episode, it's episode
sixty nine Sextraterrestrials. Now, oh right, yeah, do not listen
with little ears around. Don't recommend listening to it at
work unless you have headphones in.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But it was an awesome episode.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Oh yeah, we have the cat balls are on the
ems freaders, on the spirit boxes on everything is on
like normal. They really like the Russian accent that Matt
has been doing in my.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Pre game, so only the patrons are gonna see that.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So you guys, yeah, go subscribe to that to get
the Russia.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I mean it is like, okay, you know what, why
don't we do.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
This Because on their episodes they always pair their episode
with a beverage. So I actually, in the spirit of
having them on the pod, I provided they're pairing. So
in your best sensible, in your best Russian accent, tell
us what the drink is this.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
This drink is called Tasmanian Tweeter cocktail. He's very good.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Now, I want to tell everybody the reason I picked
the Tasmanian twist was because this whole thing goes down
in Tasmania, which is Austrillia. Okay, but anyway, so this one,
we're going way back in the time machine to eighteen thirties.
Oh yeah, eighteen thirties, George Arthur built a small timber
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mill that later became a penal quality directed at what the.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Three Arthur Highway in Tasmania, Australia was.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Like, it's a penile colony that got erect in sixty.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So that's whar it was. Oh, I didn't even realize
that six maybe.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Oh no that I'm like, I just slid that and
I'm like, oh, okay, this is just going real south,
real fast.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I don't know why I needed a Southern accent that one.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Here's my thing is that Australia started as a penile colony,
so then they then made their own Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Oh that's what Tasmania is.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
They're like, hey, we're criminals and we don't even like
our own criminals, so we're gonna send them to somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
As we'll get into this, we'll get into this into
the madness.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Due to the lush forest cliffs reaching up to three.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Hundred which is nine hundred and eighty four point twenty
five two feet, and the cold ocean surrounding it made
quite the natural nursery to produce a prison post.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Okay, you have essentially land.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Oh it's yes, sort of forest, I imagine bigger, but
it's it's sort of like Alcatraz kind of where it's.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Like exactly what I was thinking, Yes, exactly with the forest,
thick forests, huge cliffs.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
So it's like, oh and this makes sense, Yeah, this
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
We're just gonna put it there, and to this day
it carries its weight in horror through the halls of
Australia's history. This one's pretty crazy, which is why we
brought up Tasmanian.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I was gonna do another one.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
The drink was called the prison bitch on the land
were multiple things, right, so it wasn't just.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Like a plot of land.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
There was a timber station and this portion was basically
for punishment. Uh, it was important. There was a primary
purpose of the post was to extract timber from the
previously mentioned forests.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
So again, lots of resources there to use.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, so do you know if the penal colony was
part of their punishment was gathering the wood like that.
We'll get to that, okay, but way.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Back back up we got here's the cart and the
horses behind it, and mask for that's driving.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
The horseless carriage, horse behind.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Trying to get to Hogwarts and his horse's carriage.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That's the time it's getting there. So that to be
a wizard, Harry.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So we have the timber station, but then there's also
saw pits and these were used to cut the log
timber and the smaller pieces that were later hauled off
to the nearby settlement via tramway.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Okay, again we.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Have natural resources that work as a defense system. So
great supply of fresh water which was right there. The
land was on so it was really deep harbor for transportation.
There were all kinds of different things there. The Tasmanian
Peninsula in which the colony resided was also surrounded by
very rugged terrain which made escaping and penetration of the
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penal quality very impossible, which to me I wrote in
here also sounds a bit like an Australian version of Alcatraz.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Really what I wrote in here, yep.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Sorry, I was focusing on the words penetration.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Well well I went with a penetration and pea. Yeah,
well actually it was rugged penetration.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Oh my word. I really wasn't been on when I
wrote these notes.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
When I wrote those notes, rugged for her pleasure?
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah good, just a strong burly man so over picture
in Yeah, it's like the bounty guy.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Except yes, you ruined it for me. Oh my gosh,
this is George.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
We were just talking about George who created the penal colony.
Here's one part that we'll get into you later, but
it was also there. The tourists always flocked to it.
It's called the Isle of the Dead, and this contains many,
many unmarked graves, primarily of convicts.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
We will get into that deeper.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Make me sad, I was gonna say, it's like, I
know they're convicts, but yeah, that's so sad, just like everyone.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Deserves their own like recognition in that versus being unnamed.
In my opinion, I agree, I agree, that's it.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Like most scenarios in the prison paradigm, the facilities sought
to arm the inhabitants with skills set to send them
successfully back to society.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
What a concept, it was gonna say, Actually, like rehabilitating
people and making sure they can give the skills.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yes, they all start off as a good dream kind
of like my life.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
They usually do.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Danger danger Will Robinson, It.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Is a dangerous situation.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I agree, Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
But it does say most of the people that were
residing in this particular prison were repeat offenders. Oh so
clearly their process either I don't know if they were
repeat offending offenders before they got there, or they were
and still there.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
If that makes.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Sense, If you're going to keep doing the same crime, mate,
you're going to fucking Tasmania.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I don't want to go to Tasmania.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I'm like, but I don't know what. Just have it, son,
I'm just gonna stick them up to.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You're like the one American in the Tasmanian colony.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Look, I don't know what I'm doing here.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Look, man, I was just wrestling some cows and like Louisian,
I just did.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
That's a bitch wanted too far.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Roll right on in there behind their car.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Let me tell you this, cows never did come home.
Bless their hot Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Okay, okay, which is the most Southern thing ever.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
If I say bless your heart, that means go to hell.
Another added twist was the thought process that sparked the
structure used to quote reform such troubled souls was, at
the time a newly considered construct that convicts could be
reformed and punished simultaneously.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Sure, yeah, they just want to have their cake and
eat it too, That's all they want.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
I mean, why not, right, It's like when you put
a kid in the corner, Like they're definitely thinking about
what they did and they're you know, being punished, so yeah,
it's win win. It's like they're they're totally not gonna
do you.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Just you just wait, just wait.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
I'm people would have loved to just have their circle
drawn on the wall to put their nose in. Oh no,
that whole concept molded the colony to what they refer
to as ambitious experiments. Oh if we all know that
anytime you have government involvement and experimental things, it never
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ends well for the lab rats.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Yeah. Yeah, you can have pretty much any word, but
if it if it's followed with experiments, you are not
having a good time.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
No, it's not going well.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
No experiments, even if the word is like happy.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Candy caine experiments.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
The thing about the candy cane experiments from eighteen eighty
three is they did not go where you think they went.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Hiding that. Yes, I am the experiment only hiding love.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, get away from those candy canes.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Bro I'm so sad.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
He's so lonely, and I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I'm s lonely.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I have nobody to call my own.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I like, I know, I know that song, but I
don't know it at the same time.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, sorry, adhd mens are not working at the moment
all right now. Methods that were used on the imprisoned
for Reformation were religious and moral instruction, which I could
only imagine was anything but a classroom full of courteous
convicts eager to learn.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Yeah, I mean that's pretty classic, like in terms.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Of indoctrinating everybody.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Yeah, worried about our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He should.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yeah, I could go anywhere anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So then there was also trade training that could have
came out really weird, okay, which I'm assuming running the
timber mill was the main trade. But we will get
into that.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
I'm sorry, I thought you said train training, trade training
to the mainland nights. They just keep going back and forth. Okay.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Trade training, yes, So that would technically include anything that
is like any sort of like construction trades, okay, or
it could be trains if you wanted to.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Technically that works.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Technically, it's a fall in that category. Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I'm avoiding so many jokes because it's going on to YouTube.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Other trades taught. Oh my God, we're coop ridge.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Because again I told you we're gonna get it into
it now, coup bridge. These workers would use tools to
shape and create barrels.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Okay, that I was thinking like, I was thinking like
birds like chickens.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
That that what you just described with barrels is referred
to as Cooper ridge.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yep, all right. I googled it and found the description.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Okay, what I would have done.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Thanks English language, that makes sense. Yeah, it's time to
get you in a coup ridge. Now he doesn't involve birds.
Stop asking about that. I grabbed his barrel. I can
bring it up.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Fucking Americans, America.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
They also.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Okay, a tradesman of this sort would use a lathe,
which is kind of like a chisel to carve wood
into various shapes.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Well, it's spun on a wheel.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
A good example would be when you see intricate table
legs and I was just starting to block of wood
and they chisel it down as it spins.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
All right.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
There's also, ironically enough, that is my grandpa's hobby.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And it's okay.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
They make like cuts and bowls with it.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
He loves it.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty awesome. Not here, Yeah, we're not
doing that here. No, No, there's also Taylors.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Naylors.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
That sucked in my head for just a second because
my roommate is named Taylor.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Oh, they just.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Run around and impersonate Taylor and they're like oil.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Exactly. I work for a government facility, non descript government agency's.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Like yeah, sure.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
There were also carpenters building and repair. Sure, okay, wouldn't
make them more likely to escape?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Oh do you trust the convictor repair ship that makes
Oh yeah, Probaly they were apparently, I guess highly supervised.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I don't know I was gonna say, because like you
imagine that they get brought out to like appear or something.
They've got a bunch of lumber, and the warden or
whomever is like leading that activity for the day is like, right, jeets,
we're gonna show you how to make a ship. Like
all the inmates kind of side at each other, like, well,
just to make sure you're gonna teach us how to
make boats that we can sail. Yeah exactly, Yeah that's right, Okay, yeah,
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show us how to do that.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
From around here? Are you?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
One American shows up? They had to make a flipping boat.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
This thing is crazy. This thing barely stopped all the time. Yeah,
there's also prison tattoo artists.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And among the common tattoos, there were certain ones that
showed up a lot. So we had anchors, women, a
crucifix or across a heart, and a man and a mermaid.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And a mermaid. Okay, yeah, I do love that. Like
the anchor is still a sort of trope of tattoos.
Like even back there, it was like, okay.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Say that is actually my tattoo is an anchor. No ship,
have I not shown it to you?
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I was tattoo has a tattoo of an anchor.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
You wait, your tattoo.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah, the tattoo is the tattoo. I love that.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
It's a mermaid. It's a mermaid.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I was gonna say, yeah, you just hit two of
the Yeah, your mermaid tattoo.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Has I was hard at the petal quality.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, but I just got out. They taught me how
to make the ship.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
A long hard stay damage.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Yes, I am just a slightly bit slight bit damage,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Yeah, and I think we can we can open up
a little bit more. We're all more than just a
little damage here. Look at what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yes, but I don't like to admit it in public.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm nuts, man giving ship what stability?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But what is stability?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You have? You only have one personality? That's weird. How
do you have a conversation with yourself?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I so no, I'm convinced at this point in my
life that I was like a multiple personality person that
was just looking for another personality to talk with. And
I got a dog and that unlocked my brain. So
like just project another personality onto my dog. So I'm like, oh,
now I could just talk to people all the time
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and I just like fill in the conversation like her
part of it. And it was great. It allows it.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
All the time too, but generally they're invisible, yes, and
the good people. So there's that.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Well, it's so get a dog, because then you can just.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Have the dog. I have two dogs, perfect.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
Well, yeah, you can have a whole party.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
And though I don't need anybody else, these guys are
with me all the time.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
I'm just saying, like, if you're walking in a park
or some thing and you're having a full fledged conversation,
if people see you walking a dog or two, they
don't they don't bet an eye at it.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Oh, I just tell them I have threads.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
That also works.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
He let me walk home, Yeah, exactly, and then you
look them dead in the eye and like fuck you.
Oh I'm sorry, I have dreads.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Okay, but anyway back to they were just squirrel a
hardcore Yeah all right. I could not find anything after
all of these different reformation methods, I couldn't find anything
on the rate of successful reformations. I did see that
many prisoners were transferred out to other experiments like the.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Pop I don't like.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Actually, the infant stage of the modern welfare system.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Oh, that made me profoundly depressed.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Just now I go there. They were also known to
go to the lunatic asylum.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Oh oh no.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
But at these asylums they were just starting to experiment
with quote unquote scientific treatment of mental illness.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Okay, we read a bunch of names.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Well I'm sorry. Do you know what the year is
at this point, because it's still eighteen something.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
So I'm guessing this is what happened. Like after they
closed it, they went to these other places, which we'll
do later, which I believe is like eighteen seventy seven.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I don't love, I don't love, like, Hey, we're gonna
send them to some other mental asylum and the right
to the other experiment.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, that that does not sound like good times. Like
we've had enough problems with like many thirty seven.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
We just talked about this exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Oh god, no, it goes When did it happen like
eighteen sixty seven?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
We just talked about it.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I just talked about it, damp.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And you know what would any haunted prison be without
the torturous techniques and tending to inoculate innocence?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
And did be incarcerated?
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Oh god?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, boys, because this is about to get real.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Say why I think it was going to go there?
But like I was not prepared.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
It is always of course.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Look the only thing I knew about logging onto this
was Tasmania.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Okay, that's the point, right, dumb madam? Madam?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
How do you Americans say? Go yourself? Oh no, light
for that, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
And you fall the smell of the berries.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Fun?
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Yeah yeah, I do like I like how you can.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Exactly there's more Italian.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
But I do like, yes, it is more Italian?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Okay, with Italian?
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Is it? Bag it? I like how how much you
can put on that? Yeah? This is Matt motherfucker? How
you like?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Okay are you ready?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
All right?
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Oh yeah? Or okay he's ready to We are all ready.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
You are out numbered, Matt, we are ready.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
That's many institutions over the years all have the first
one in common, unequivocal and unbelievably unpaid daily grind.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Yeah that slave labor.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
They performed a multitude of treacherous tasks, including hauling around
shingles long and song on timber.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Oh the splinters, oh my oh, I didn't even think
of that well, because it's not like they're gonna get gloves,
you know, they're just oh god, that just flashed me
back to so much of my childhood. Like not to
get too deep, but.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
He's just like running around with like just like tons
of just like family, just as kids.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Uh. We have a hunting shack in northern Minnesota, and
so just like how much wood we chopped because because
we didn't have like electricity or anything, so we just
had a wood stove. Yep. The hours that we spent
just chopping and hauling, Oh my god, that was my job.
I was, yeah, exactly, you know, we never got to
work the fucking chainsaw or anything. No, we just got
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to all.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Logs the wood splinter. No, you're young. You cut it
and then you put it up and you put it
on the wood splitter and then I just run the controller.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yep. Yeah. The adults get do all the fun stuff,
and it's like, Okay, look, I know I'm still young
in spry, but like I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Although me out there in a bikini top. Daisy Duke's
building an axe was probably pretty hot.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
The look on Matt's face right now, I think I
just broke him.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Can you can you keep describing.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Well, it goes, it goes, gasp.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Like me, I do believe I'm getting the vapors.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I'm gonna kill this for you real fast trouble makers.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Trouble Makers would feel the wrath by enduring flogging, which
is being beaten with a rod or whip for those unfamiliar.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
That probably did not help your case.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Also they were they would be forced to perform the
same tasks that they normally would do, but with the
addition of horrendously heavy iron shacks. Oh my again, long
stays in solitary confinement.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
No oh.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
After eighteen fifty one, there was a colossally cringeworthy coal
mine that you would get sent to if you were
a troublemaker.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I'm sorry to interrupt, but was that deliberate, like alliteration
where you're like a colossally Yes, I really appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
That was welcome. Would you one of my notes?
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I appre Would you say that one more time? Please?
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Oh, colossally cringeworthy coal mines?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Excellent chef's kiss. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
In eighteen forty five, they installed a terrific, terrifying treadmill
in the floor in the flour mill. Oh my god,
if I could talk. That's purpose was to turn the
grinding stones.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Oh oh okay, yeah, so they're they would have wheel
yeah yeah, yeah, so they have to do.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
That to like make flowers so you could actually have bread.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Yeah, okay, okay, I mean at least you're also getting
a workout.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
That's well, that's true, except really bad guys, you know,
the really big trouble makers would be assigned to walk
the treadmill from dawn till dusk, only getting two meal breaks.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Oh they were exhausted, they were hungry, they were you know, just.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Yeah, well and just to put like an asterisk on this,
I deliver mail, and when you get into delivering mail,
you pretty much are exclusively on walking routes for like
the first two years. Yep, yeah, you walk from dust
till dawn. Yeah, or don the other one you got yeah,
mornington knight.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
I feel that I know a guy.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Another popular method, as seen in most old school prison movies,
were leg irons. Oh yeah, now these six to thirteen
kilogram You're welcome thirteen oh very you were worn around
the ankles to prevent escape, and we're usually unwillingly wearing
fashion statement for at least a year.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Ohsh a year. I mean I feel like you'd get
used to the waight after a while. Well, it would
still like.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Because these are like the shackles stuffs, the.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Raw metal like on your so it's still like chase
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Leg irons. Does that mean because shackles are the ones
with the chains? Does this mean that the bar is
a solid bar that you're having to you know, do
the like yeah, the like that. I mean that's your
ass walk.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah yeah, that's just calisthenics. I mean technically you're getting
a workout.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah, okay, that just sounds awful.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
And if that didn't yeah. If that didn't get rid
of the picture of me chopping wood in your head,
what will?
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
One of the original punishments was known as the lash.
Convicts were constrained to a wooden triangle shaped of apparatus
in front of other prisoners.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
And get ten.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
To one hundred lashes across their bare back with a
cat of nine tails to sprinkle in a little light
into the darkness here though. Yeah, the person laying down
the lashes was called a flagulator.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Ah okay, that brought me back. That brought me back.
I'm gonna be honest, I was into it. The only
thing that turned me off was the idea that other
people are watching.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I'm like, I want to be Oh, you just wait.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Not only that the person chosen as the flagulator was
whoever was the most hated inmate on the grounds what
the book, they.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Found the least like person. You were going to whip
this person with a cat of nine tails up.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
And they're like, I think that would be That wouldn't
be necessarily good. I wouldn't assume no, because that person
probably has more is like, this is my revenge moment. Well,
I didn't look at it from that perspective, I will
it all these inmates are watching you be the person
(30:19):
to torture the other inmate, which may or may not
be there, like buddy.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Also, so the the weird thing is like presumably either
they have been monitoring you to a point that they
know that you're the like asshole of the group amongst
a group of assholes, or like like you're all standing
in a yard and they're like, all right, we've got
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
It was obvious. It's not like they're subtle.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Wellycause what I was thinking if if it wasn't obvious.
So you're all standing in a group and they're like, hey,
we're going to torture this guy, and you're like, gee,
I wonder what assholes gonna have to do this? And
they call your name and you're like, oh wait wait,
I'm the one.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
That's least liked. Yeah, yeah, I don't know if they
were aware of that process.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
No, I don't think they were. And then you get
called up to do the whipping and you're like, I'm
the asshole and then yeah, just well, although I will
say it will motivate you to whip harder, because I
would be really pissed if I was designated as the
asshole of the group.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I would They don't know that. They just know that
one random person was chosen to whip the other one.
That's all they know.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Oh okay, they might not have okay, all right, yeah
all right. I feel like if you ended up sussing
out like what the criteria was, I'd be really pissed.
But I would make contact with everyone in the crowd
as I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm like, you guys did this,
Like this is your.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Fault, this is because of you.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
That's how I would justify it in my head.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Anyway, I think would have been crazy if you had
to whip yourself. But you are stuck. I mean you
are strapped. You are strapped, arm up, feet out.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
I mean you are like spread eagle on this triangle thing.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
All right, you're but you're using a lot of terms
that are touching on a few kinks. So like if
oh by bad, like if it's yeah, if it's like
me coming out yea.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
In my eye.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
All the week since I got Bell's palsy, like my
face hasn't got like seriously, I got the palsy for
three months, like not like eight years ago, nine years
ago and ever since, I still like I can't even
cross my eyes. One of my eyes doesn't cross because
I still haven't got all the control back in it.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I don't think I will either, but we will get
myself not. One of my eyes never actually opens, like
all the way. Hold on, let's see you're on, ready, right,
I'll see if I did you see it?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I can see it.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, I'm guessing if my Matt's face he saw it.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
He goes related look look for the sake of not
sounding like an asshole, no comment.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I'm aware it's it's very bad, but it's just really funny.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I didn't realize that I think it's as bad as
it's definitely not as bad as you probably think it.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
Selene, Selene, it's that bad.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Trying to take a selfie for somebody being funny and
I'm like across my eyes and I took the photo
and I looked. I was like, nah, I did it
three times, and I was.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Like, you delete that ship so quick, Selene, don't lie
to the girl.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I've seen way worse. I've seen worse, honest.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Ready ready ready, Oh no, but I could do that
before Bell's palsy.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Well, now I feel like, you're setting me up because
you're like, holy water, yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Water on it, the power of Christ, the power of you.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Leave this one thing.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Because whatever sayer's getting kick out of this too. I
think they're in on the joke.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I think that's what that was, because they've seen you
do this before and they're like, oh, she looks so
fucked up when she does this this bish.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Can you believe this bish she's doing?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
No, guys, come here, she's doing that again.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yes, exactly, look at this bit thing because she could wing.
She thinks that looks sexty. Look at her.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Where's Paul, She's doing the palsy thing. It's your name, bro,
He's crazy. It's crazy. Man. Oh you missed it. You
missed it. Oh my god. If you know she brings
up again, we'll bring you in.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
We're gonna shift gears here.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
From topic for a while.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'm sorry, Yeah, it's in a hot minute. It's okay.
We're bringing it back in. We're bringing backga in.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Those ones that I mentioned earlier were just the physical
torture tactics, but there was one major psychological method that
they used.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
O God, this is the part that's going to fuck
with me.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
In eighteen fifty one there was another prison opened and
they called it literally quote separate prison, which took solitary.
It took solitary to a whole new level.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Oh so terrible name, like marketing wise, but like great
name in terms of just like torture.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, it was. You didn't want to go to the
separate prison, right, exactly.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, everybody feared the separate prison.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
When someone to arrived, they were given clothes and made
to read the rules of the land, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Okay, there were rules. Okay, I just watched Fight Club
the other day.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Do not talk about separate prison.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Well, I don't think anybody really made.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
It out well. But also like they gave you the
workout equipment to get those he had in that movie.
Oh my god, such good absence.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Amongst the clothing that you were given was a metal
tag with a number on it. That number was now
your name, and you essentially lost all identity.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Oh that does not sound fun.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Sounds a lot like.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I was. Yeah, can we talk about that. Yeah, it
sounds like it is.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
The Holocaust before the Holocaust.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah, yes, Now you were not allowed to speak unless
it was under certain circumstances, whether you were giving information
to a guard or you were talking to the chap
with the chaplain.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Cha. Yeah, oh I would be dead in day one. O.
The rule is don't talk. I'm totally screwed.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
This very gets fun not They had their own cell
that was connected to the surveillance wing, their own ex
or size yard, and even their own cubicles in the
chapel to keep them completely isolated.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Oh that is so.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
A weird way. They look just the way that you
described it there. That kind of sounds like my heaven.
I'm like, I just get to be by myself all
the time.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
This is mine, this is all mine.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, the gym to myself.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
It wasn't big.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Oh okay, you're gonna get a very small room with
a tiny little yard and a tiny little spot in
the chapel.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
And also, anytime the prisoners would leave their cells, a
hood was placed over their head with nothing but two
slits for eyes, so that way you couldn't recognize anyone
even if you saw them, you were allowed to speak.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
So it gives me such strong penn State vibes.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I'm over here thinking of the college. I'm like, wow,
that's rough.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
No, I'm say, I'm trying to remember what exactly it
was that we talked about. Was it Eastern State Penitentiary
or was it where they did that with like the
hood Yeah, yeah, I think you.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
Had it with Yeah, I think you had it with Eastern.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Yeah, I think it was yeah, Okay, I think it's like.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, the extreme measures of isolation where
it's like even when you're going down the like hallway
of other inmates, yeah, it's like they yeah, you couldn't
interact you. I don't think they put on any kind
of like sound dampening things, so.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Like you know they put on though.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Right for sure. Yeah, they put hoods on.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
The idea speak quiet, we don't talk here.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, I've already talked about that.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
But the way I look at it is, with all
these pasts, that all this torture, I'm surprised that anybody
could get anything done because I have an example of
what their diet consisted of, and.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I don't even know how they had the inner Oh we.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Haven't even talked about that.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
We have breakfast, ten ounces of bread and one point one.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
Take a moment, regroup.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
One pint.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
There you go of gruel, which is a food consisting
of some type of cereals such as oats, well ground oats,
wheat dry or rice heated or boiled in water or milk.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I'm assuming water in this case. Oh god, that was breakfast.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
My favorite part is like the point of perspective on
this is that milk is like the fancy version. It's like, no,
you're getting just the water gruel.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, exactly. And that's all they got for breakfast. That
was it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Okay, So then there's only dinner and supper, so I
guess they didn't get a launch.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Oh no, Dinner is three quarter pound fresh or salted beef,
or half a pound of salted pork, ten ounces of
ten ounces of pudding, or one pint of soup, one
pound of cabbage or turnips, or one pint of soup
(40:18):
made from the meat. The last thing they got was
eight ounces of bread and half a pound of potatoes
if other vegetables were unavailable.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
That is strangely specific and depressing a lot of carbs.
There's a lot of carbs.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Well, they're bound a ragget in the day.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I will probably take the potatoes over the bread. Well,
I mean, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Overall, and then supper is the exact same as breakfast.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Announce the bread, one pound of gruel, that's it, one pint,
one pound Jesus Christ, one pint of gruel cheese. Yeah, okay,
so your biggest meal was dinner, Yeah, which I guess
was like a late lunch.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Is kind of what I was going to say.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
We get dinner and supper. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
This is apologized.
Speaker 3 (41:14):
Oh yeah, we should definitely apologize.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
To like' sorry.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
And if the boys were well behaved during the week,
they were also given a handful of raisins on Sundays.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
Oh okay, yeah, no, I'm done. I think I would
just send myself off the coast of Tasmania.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Oh just wait, that's only for the good little boys.
The good people got raisins.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Good people get behaved, however, would get their rations reduce.
And some were on a diet of only bread and water,
which is horrible. It backs you up and it is
Moore torture, tortured sometimes because you can't boom.
Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah. Well, and it's that kind of thing where yeah,
like you you keep and you feel like you're getting nutrients,
but it's it's just like empty carbs. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Oh god, that's awful.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Here's one thing too, is.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
It was closed when the last convict was removed, and
they said that was in eighteen seventy seven and the
land however, nothing was really done to it except it was.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Auctioned off in the eighteen eighties.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
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