July 9, 2025 • 66 mins
In this thrilling episode of the Cryptids Creeps and Conspiracy podcast, we dive deep into the unknown with our special guest, Alan Arcane from Mysteria Arcana. Expect chilling tales of paranormal encounters, eerie cryptid sightings, and possibly even an alien abduction. From haunted childhood homes to unsettling experiences in Provo Canyon, Alan shares his supernatural journey and his insights into the world of the unexplained. Don't miss this captivating conversation!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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So grab your rose colored glasses, skeptical suits, and hold
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of the CCC podcast. Hope see soon. Welcome back everyone,
(01:11):
today we have another new guest, so I'm pretty excited.
I have been chatting with him for a little bit
and we were able to get him on. It is
Alan Arcane with Mysteria Arcana. Welcome to the show. We
have again everything in the background for all my patrons
and anybody watching the video. We have all the censors
set up like normal. I've got my little box going
(01:32):
which has been a little rude but chatty today. So Alan,
I want to give you a moment here to just
let everyone know what you do, why you do it,
and where to find you. Just a little bit of
advertising that I just always throw out for frizzle at
the beginning, So just let us know what you want
us to know.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Awesome. Like you said, I'm Alan Arcane and the new
podcast I just started just called Mysteria ar Kana and
you can find that on YouTube, Instagram. That's where I'm
mostly where I do the Most of my work is
on Instagram, but I have a link tree there that
(02:15):
can connect you wherever you want to be connected, but
mostly Spotify YouTube. But it's a new show. It's about
all things strange. Just like this show, I try to
focus on true experiences from people that I know, people
who I've interviewed, people who I find online who are
(02:36):
sharing experiences, books, I've read things like that, but I
cover things from cryptids to ghostly encounters and anything you
can think of it between. But yeah, that's pretty much it.
I take a detective New War style approach to the show,
just to kind of differentiate it a little bit. But yeah,
(02:59):
it's it's been a really good time. Like I said,
it just started, so I'm about to drop the second episode.
But I have been wanting to get more into the community,
which has been great. You are awesome, and there's been
so much Yeah, there's been so much positivity and support
and a lot of people interested in contributing to the show.
(03:22):
So I'm really looking forward to getting started and getting
my name out there and just sharing my take on
the paranormal world.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Like you said, I try to focus on either things
that people have reported or having people on with the
first hand experiences, having people write in and all of
that stuff. So I just want to let everybody know
before we start getting into it too. If you miss
the beginning part, you don't want to go back and listen.
I'm going to put he filled out the form because
he's awesome, and I'm going to put all the links below,
(03:54):
So just go to the description of wherever you're listening,
and the links are going to be there where you
can find his stuff. So definitely go in there and
check it out. We'll do more of this at the end,
but I just want to make sure I tell everybody
they will be down below. There's not going to be
any resourcing because right now you're my sources. The sources
are here, so he's the source. I'm citing him now.
But I know that we had talked a little bit
(04:16):
back and forth, and I know that you have some
stuff that you've got working on, and just so you know,
the beginning part of your little movie thing with this
really nineteen twenties like Sherlock holmes s kind of thing
is awesome. I love it. I was like, oh, I
feel like I'm watching a movie instead of watching.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, I'm glad you liked it.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
But it was awesome. But yeah, we had talked about
you had some paranormal encounters at some point. How many
of those of you had, I.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Don't know if I've ever sat down and just counted
them out, and I'm sure just like you probably just
and full over a handful of paranormal encounters that I
can attribute to myself. So I'd say maybe less than
a dozen, but I even just almost a dozen paranormal
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encounters is quite a bit to some people.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
One thing I've noticed with a lot of people, like
I said, like us, it seems like there's always one
particular event, one encounter, one something that made you go,
holy shit, this stuff is real, what's happening, and then
it sparks your interests. Do you have one of those
moments where you were like, Okay, this is getting real,
(05:36):
let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I grew up in a very spiritual sort of culture
out in Utah. That's a very very spiritual culture out here.
I grew up Mormon, and so I had a lot
of experiences which my family may not believe in or
(06:03):
that I haven't always told them about for the same
reason of hey, I don't want to be the black cheep.
I don't want to be judged, just like how you
describe yourself and yeah, whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
You're you're going to burn in hell.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah. I think that Mormon culture, it lends itself to
a little bit more of a willingness to interact with
people on the other side of the veil. But usually
that's in a very wholesome spiritual context and not necessarily
(06:45):
in a paranormal context. But I would say for my
first awakening to this stuff, I mentioned in my first episode,
I think I'm the second caller on there. I just
I didn't introduce myself as Alan Arcane. I just was
(07:07):
more telling my story, but almost like I was a
caller myself. I think that I may have lived in
a haunted house when I was about five six years old.
Oh and so in that first episode, I talked about
some of the experiences I had with seeing shadow people
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moving from room to room. I also had a reoccurring
dream of this shadow person chasing me up the stairs,
and like sometimes I would because in the dream the
goal was get up the stairs, get to Mom's bed,
and you're safe.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Oh yeah, under the cover, the trope of everything's safe
under the covers.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
The problem with that is dream I would wake up. Yeah,
I would wake up in my bed and I would
fill a presence in the bed next to me, and
so I would lift the covers off of this shadow
being and I would see it in the bed next
to me, and then that's when the race began, and
I would start running all the way up the stairs
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to try to get to my parents' house or to
my parents' room, and I would sometimes I would make
it in the dream to my mom's bed, and then
i'd wake up and be like, oh good, I made it.
Or other times, though I couldn't make it fast enough,
I could hear it breathing and running behind me, and
it would grab me and wake me up in terror.
(08:42):
And sometimes I was just too tired, so I just
would start running. I'm like, I'm just too tired. I
can't do it, and I would just stop and listen
and wait for it to get me, and then I
would wake up. But yeah, pretty terrifying stuff as a
kid when you're four or five years.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Old, exactly. So I was laughing. So, I don't know
what's going on. Did you happen to have a seller
in this house?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Seller? I was living in the basement of the house
and it's pretty deep basement.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Okay, So, just in curiosity, is there any relevance to
the number forty two or twenty three?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Just curious forty two or twenty three. I don't know.
I'd have to try it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Okay, my thing. You're a seller, which is usually the basement,
and it was like you're talking about being in the basement,
and it's like seller. But then it gets forty two
to twenty three and then it says hiding, which kind
of explains like what you're doing. So that's why I
was like, I wonder if the twenty three and forty
two mean anything, because it's already like you're telling the
story and I'm on my headphones and this thing's popping in.
(09:44):
It's like almost like when you listen to somebody and
you repeat what they say so that you under they
understand that you're understanding them. It's almost like it's doing
this as you're telling your story. Oh okay, yeah, yeah,
I get this attracts.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I'll have to remember those numbers and maybe maybe i'll
check the address to the house or something. But I
haven't crazy. I actually know the address. Wouldn't that be wild?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
That would be wild? And it was two different voices.
Now it's going to attic. It was something morning an attic.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
But anyway, so you said that you in your dream
you were running to your parents room. Correct, it wasn't that?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
It says, indeed, thank you, it's coming back. So, but
when you woke up, were you in your parents' bed
or did you wake up in your bed after dreaming
of being in your parents' bed?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, I would wake up in my own bed. Trying
to get to know.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Par I'll just say, if you woke up in their bed,
I'd be like, ooh, So maybe it wasn't dreaming. But
that kind of makes sense that as.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
A child, it's been so long ago, that's possible.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And so when I told you that, when I, like,
virtually my whole life, I have been dealing with this
as well and having weird things. It was. It started
that the earliest I can remember, I was about five
or six as well, and I don't remember much about it.
I had a whole bunch of trauma going on, so
it's all kind of a blurb. But what I can
(11:11):
remember is I remember this basement in my first house
that I can remember, and you went downstairs and the
washroom dryer was there, and then there was this one door,
like a random door that went nowhere, and it even
when I would walk by the door, but when it
was open, and like I started to walk down those
stairs it was like everything stood up, like everything everything
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inside of me was screaming like get out, go away,
it's not safe. Run And I, like I said, I
lived there from the time I was like five or
six until my teens, and I never wanted to go
in that basement. It did not matter how old I was.
I just did not want to go down there. But
nobody else could understand why I was like that, But
(11:56):
I was like, there is something bad down there.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Did you ever hear about basements?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, well, in most I've been in basements and been fine.
It's just that particular basement there was something there. And
when I was buying a house, I was looking to
buy a house. When I was looking around, there was
a house, an old house, and that basement was bad.
I didn't even make it all the way down the stairs.
I was like, well, not here, We're not buying this
(12:23):
one next. So, aside from me in your dream, did
you get any feelings like that that you can remember.
I don't know how long you were in this house,
but do you remember getting any just bad mojo or
anything from the basement?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well? Yeah, so I talked about seeing like dark entities
in that story, like it was a big long staircase
that led down to that basement, really long, and I
think that the light to turn on, like the there's
a little square hallway that connected like the five rooms
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that were there, and in order to turn the light on,
you had to walk all the way down to the
bottom of the stairs. And then it was just pitch
black down there, maybe not pitchback, the very dark all
the time. And I just remember walking down those stairs
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and seeing these fast moving shadow things running from room
to room in that hallway, and then you flick on
the lights and nothing is there. Yeah, I mean that's
like but I yeah, I always felt like something was
(13:42):
moving out of the corner of my eye. I don't
know if you've ever felt this way, but I feel
like you walk into a room and like some blankets
are shifting or moving, or like the curtains are moving,
or you feel like you saw somebody duck behind a
door or something. I always felt that way in that house.
And I'm going to tell this story later on in
(14:04):
my podcast. But when I moved back to Idaho for
a little while, because all this event, all these events
happened in Idaho. But when I eventually moved back there,
and bought my own house in a town not too
far from where I grew up. I had a really
crazy event happened that kind of reach reinvigorated my interest
(14:29):
in the paranormal. And I don't know if you want
to get into that now, but I could.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You are you are the guests. I do have a
few more questions about this house, though, so whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
You sure, Yeah, let's hit those first.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Okay, So how long did you live in this house?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I was born there, I probably lived there until I
was close to six years old.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Okay, okay, so when this all started happening, you were
there very long afterwards before you moved right, okay, okay,
just curious. Did anyone I guess at five or six,
they wouldn't have been talking to you about it, But
did anyone as you were grown? Did you ever bring
(15:20):
it up to anyone that was living there with you?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah? I mentioned it to my mom and I said, hey, Mom,
is this house haunted? And she's no, it can't be
haunted because the local pastor or bishop of the church,
this was his brother's house and obviously nothing bad could
ever happen at a religious person's brother's house.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Oh yeah, so oh, dude, they want my.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Cat shut it down, then watch your cat.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
It goes more Titia, which is my cat's name, then
it goes we want it. Oh God. But okay. So
her thought process was that it not that it wasn't
one hundred percent, but that there's no way that it
could have been because it belonged to a family member
of the pastor correct.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Which to me is just totally bizarre because it's just
because the pastor's religious doesn't mean his brother's super religious.
And even if he was, it doesn't mean that bad
things can't be attached to locations exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
But the only thing would be unless that castor maybe
it was, if anything happened, the pastor would have I
don't know, exercised the house or cleansed it or whatever.
But if there's no mention of that, then I agree
with you, it's not going to make a difference who
you are, because everybody's different. My family all are religious religiously,
(17:03):
go to church, I know, but intended, and they do
all of that, they sing in the choir, and then
there's me that I'm just like, nah, like it just
ain't gonna happen. My sister is like the lead of
the woman's ministry or something. And then there's me and
I'm like, nah, like there are ghosts in this house.
Oh my gosh, I just had the wop song but
(17:24):
it was like, there's some ghosts in this house. Oh sorry, ADHD.
Brain is working on me right now. But but the
person you bring it up to never said anything weird happened,
no reports from anybody.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I think for my mother in particular, I think a
lot of times they just overlook anything strange and they
just tell themselves it's not really happening. Nothing, just a coincidence. Yeah,
I don't know my family about that locations, but yeah,
I agree, Oh.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Maybe you could, maybe there'd be something. But some people
are so die hard that nothing's going on spook that
this is definitely thank you, but nothing could happen. It's
always in their mind whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Won't understand. Some people just choose to be ignorant. Yes,
they don't want to believe because it's easier not to,
or because of their faith system doesn't allow them to.
Or they just say everything's evil and there is no
good in the spirit world. This so which I don't
agree with.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
But this is all right, all right, But I'm with you.
It's like some people are just so dead set on it,
and I wonder sometimes if it's if they give in
and they believe that one thing is true and that
one thing is happening, then that opens them up to
all this other stuff. Like I said, when I said
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something happened when I was fifteen that just rocked my world.
I grew up not Mormon, but I was raised in
a very religious household. Father son, holy ghosts, all that stuff.
And when I was fifteen, I was in the driver's
seat and there was the only way I could describe
this thing was it had to have been a demon,
(19:22):
because I can sense when people are people. This thing
was never human, and we were staring each other down
for it's not. Oh, I blinked and it was gone
new I blinked and it was still there. And then
we had to stare down for at least a solid
minute or two before I closed my eyes and said,
you've got to go, like you got to get out
of here, like I don't want you here, just go away.
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But when I saw that and I could not deny it,
it shattered everything, like all of my belief because I'm like, wait,
if that happened. Then everything I was told is a lie,
everything which is not necessarily true because if you think
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about it, even in Christianity, you have angels and you
have demons. Now they don't acknowledge that the demons can
interact with you, but they sure as hell tell you
that the angels can. But the way I look at
it is you can't have one without the other. So
if you can have these communications with angels and all
of that, then by golly, the demons can too. They
don't want to talk about that because that's going to
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make you sound crazy or whatever. But it shattered everything.
So I think a lot of times people deny it
because to them, it's if I believe this, then everything
my entire life has been a lie, and they just
refuse to it would shatter everything.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
But anyway, yeah, and that is scary for some people
to have their worldview question or question the booty.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
We got pervy pollen. Here he goes rapture booty. I
was like, oh, would that be like the Mormon way
of saying raise your butt.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah or whatever?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, wrap through your booty.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It's too funny that.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
They're coming. They're coming down to your level. What's happening.
They're they are relating to you. Is what's going on
right now?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's funny, Like we got to speak to him in
the language that he understands Mormon.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
We can't say gift.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
As far as other paranormal experiences go, do you have
experiences with cryptids or aliens or Bigfoot or anything of
that nature outside of the ghosts and the demons cryptids?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
No, So I've been in the woods and had some
weird feelings, but I've never had it's this interesting. So
I've never had anything visual happen or physical happened to me.
Monster wise, I am so skeptical on the alien thing.
(22:13):
I had an experience. I guess you could call it
experience that if you think of it from a logical
investigator standpoint. I was abducted. It was very similar to
a typical abduction, but a little different. But the different
(22:36):
is what made it seem so real. But again, I
am very skeptical. I was like, ah, but I'm still
in my head, I'm going, eh, wasn't just a dream.
But then I'm like, it was very real for a dream,
you have one when it comes.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
To my own.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I talk about that another time.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
One mine's very brief, and I'll tell it because I
don't have any memory if this was, if it even happened,
because like yours, I was in a stream state, and
at least I think I was. So I woke up
in the middle of the night to this bright blue
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light coming from across the hall in my parents' room,
and usually I slept with my door open, my parents
slept with their door open, and this bright light and
it wasn't just a light, it was like this really loud,
vibrating sound. I thought it was like it sounded like
a train trying to come through the house, or like
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a helicopter was landing on the house. It was so
loud and wow, just a lot of vibration and this
bright blue light. And so I remember getting up and
being freaked out and walking into my parents' room thinking,
how come not everybody body's up, and rushing the window
right now to see what's going on? Have gom I
(24:05):
the only one? And I remember going to their window
looking at that bright light, and then I remember nothing.
And I woke up the next day and I asked
my mom. I'm like, Mom, do you remember this happening
last night? Did you hear anything or feel anything. She's now,
you're probably just dreaming. Typical response from my mom. I
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don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, okay, So when I have these dreams that are
like premonition, there's a difference. I can feel the difference
when it is a dream that is a premonition and
when it's just a vivid dream or if it's just
a random, bizarre dream, like I can feel like I know,
And with mine, it felt like it was one of
the dreams, that it was real. And so when you
(24:55):
said you saw the light and then boom, where did
you wake up in your bed or did you wake
up standing in the same spot and then go to bed.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
No, I woke up in my bed the next morning.
So that's why it's hard to know whether or not
this was a dream. But it didn't feel like a dream.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Missing time, alan missing time.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
That is a poster.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay, as you're describing this, I was so hardcore picturing
the abduction from the X Files when the sister's taken,
only not at a window. So have you seen that
the abduction scene?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
So it is that very bright, it's like that vibrating
and he's what the heck? But next thing, he knows
there's this super bright light that's all you can see,
and then poof, like she disappears, and then he's like
up and she's gone. It very much so.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I actually compared that to my experience.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
But that was like the visual that I was picturing.
Is that almost like a spotlight, almost like you would
think that somebody in your house swat was coming. The
helicopter sound, the vibration, and then the super super bright
and did the light move it all. Was it like
a swooping or did it just show up real bright
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and then you wouldn't have seen it disappear because you
essentially disappeared.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
It was just a constant light and that constant rumbling
and the house was almost shaking. I almost felt like
it was quake. It was so loud and just sounds pretty.
And I couldn't believe that nobody else. It's just strange
that nobody else woke up. It's strange that nobody else
remembered this.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
To me, that is one of the biggest indicators because
it happens and so many abduction scenarios, it's almost as
if everyone else gets paralyzed. They have no idea what's
happening except the victim. Only the abductee can move or
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do anything. And I've heard so many accounts that are
like that. So this sounds very much so like a
typical abduction.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Just saying it might have been I'm not sure. I
also think about getting hypnosis done to see if I
can maybe overwatch those memories but a part of it,
and just seeing if there was anything, If anything actually happened,
then there's happening. Man. Once you open that box up,
(27:30):
you don't know, you don't know how to bring that back,
because yes, exactly, And that's a little bit scary.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Oh, I've had some stuff words like it blanks out
and you're like, something, something clearly happened in just in
regular life. Like I said, I've had some pretty traumatic
experiences and I generally blank things out as most humans do.
But it's like, whatever happened, it messed with you. It's
(28:00):
you have triggers about certain things, or certain things just
get under your skin, or you don't even you don't
even know until it happens, and you have a trauma
response to something that you don't even know what caused it,
and every time you know, it's blanks and then you're
like I'm messed up, right, this is causing problems. But
(28:20):
how more messed up would I be if I actually
knew what happened to me? You don't know? Are you
better off not knowing? Because your brain's Hey, you can't
handle this, So we're just going to erase it, almost
like Pandora's box. We're gonna put in Pandora's box. Just
don't look in there, because again you can't unring a bell.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I don't know if I would do it.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I go back and forth. Yeah, like you're not messed
up after your experience, so maybe I should do it.
You just like face it and maybe don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
So much weird stuff happens, and I feel like I'm
like a prerequisited just being like, like I have stuff
Like I will be in a room and the lights
will flicker, things will come off the wall, and I'm like, oh,
it's fine, and everybody else is freaked out. I'm like, nah,
it happens all the time. So maybe that's why I
was allowed to remember. Is this CRYPTI So.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yes, I'll tell you my cryptied experience.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Okay, apparently it wants to bring it on.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
So I only have yeah, I only have this one,
and it's not that crazy. But right now I'm in
Utah at my family's cabin they have up in the
mountains of Provo Canyon, and it's beautiful country, but it's
very very It's where the sun Dance is, which is
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the Sundance film festivals are pretty popular anyway, so I
and I think that there has been some other sightings
up here of the Big Man himself. But my experience
was I was here, other family members were here, and
sometimes I can be a bit of a night owl.
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I was reading and all of a sudden, I start
hearing this sound and the sounds kind of carrying, and
I thought, man, somebody's kid is crying or something or
really wailing. And I'm like, what is that and and
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I'm like, it's not coming from inside the house. So
I opened my window and all of a sudden, I
can hear this sound a little bit more clearly, and
it sounds like this large, long, wailing sound carrying over
the mountain of something that almost sounds like it was
lamenting or something. But it was this strange guttural kind
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of screaming that was carrying, and I was hearing it
and it was doing it in these long birl of
yeah yeah, and it was doing it in these long
bursts of man. No human could just hold that screaming
wail yeah for that long and that deep and that
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powerful way up in the mountains, and I could tell
that this was very far away, and I just kept
hearing it. And growing up in the church, Mormonism is
very tied to scouting, so I have a lot of
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outdoorsm and skills as well because I grew up in
that program. I know my animals. I've hunted all my life,
and I can identify the animals in this area, and
this thing I was hearing just was not in my
repertoire of animals that I could identify. And I went
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to the Internet right away looking for sounds of animals
that maybe I could have been mistaking it for. And
the closest thing that I ever found was Bigfoot recordings.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
So interesting. So when I hear people talk about like
a crying in the woods, I immediately go to the
Bobcat Mountain lion because they sound like women or children screaming.
It's very obvious sound like a yeah. It's it's very
unnerving to hear that screaming sound, especially if it's been
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an octave that is not familiar. And to me, when
you which I'm gonna ask to, I guess I could
just go ahead and ask. Sometimes I feel that it's
almost like their yells are not just auditory. There's some
sort of like infra sound attached to it. So it's
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not just that you're hearing it, you are feeling it
like that vibration. You can feel it to your core.
When you're hearing these things screened, you get that at all,
where it was not just an audio auditory response. It
was like you were like feeling it like vibrations.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Oh yes, absolutely, yeah. It felt different. It felt different,
and it felt scary. Yeah, And I don't always attribute
Bigfoot to scary, but it was unnerving and other animals
that were unnerving. Yeah, maybe yeah. And a lot of
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people think that Bigfoot is more of a spiritual being
rather than a physical being, So who knows.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I think maybe it's a little I lean towards physical
with what we would attribute to supernatural abilities, but or
maybe even about me. I am a person, but some
of the stuff that I do is not natural. So
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I look at them kind of like that, which is
why I tell people I will never go squatching. I
can set off my K two meter. It's funny when
I'm upset or like really upset or angry, weird set
like electrical stuff does not work right, and I think,
I like there's something going on, which I think a
lot of people that can see or hear or do
different things. I feel like we have some kind of
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extra sensory thing and that's how they can sense us,
like they know like ghosts, no spirits know things know
when it's almost like there's twenty people in a room
and one of them can hear or see or whatever,
then they're gonna be like, I'm going to why waste
my time with these twenty people when I know I
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could tell this person could hear me, this person could
see me, this person can know that I am here.
It's almost like a beacon, right, Like you're a lighthouse
in the dark for these things. And I feel the
big Foot dog Man, those two in particular, I feel
like those have that just like I said, as they
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can communicate and send that sound out, they could use
it as echo location or or just to know the
other ones are close, or they know when people are
close they know they can evade things because they can
feel them there. Whether they're animalistic or not, they can
feel it. So I'm thinking, you drop me in the
woods and I'm a beacon. Hell no, you guys.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Want to for you not?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, I do not want to. I don't want to
be Bigfoot's wife or whatever. Not gonna happen. And that's
the way I feel. But yours was just a cry. Right,
you heard it, but you didn't see anything, because.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
When you said it was dark, no, I didn't see anything. Yeah,
it was in the middle of the night. It was like, yeah,
midnight or something like that. Everybody else was sleeping and
I was gonna wake anybody else to be like, hey,
can you hear this crazy sound? Mm hmm, But yeah
it was. It was just me hearing that. It was
like a wailing moan. It's real hard to describe. It
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was at a very deep octave for a very long time,
and on and off. It would go for a long
time and then taper off and then start up again
and then taper off. So it was strange.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
So I'm not good with geography. Bear with me here, Utah,
isn't that like north on the US scale?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Northwest. It's just a couple of states away from the
west coast.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
So what are your thoughts on Wind to Go? Because
they're primarily up, aren't they in like Montana and like
a southern Canada northern US?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, they're I think comes. No, it's okay. I haven't
read up on it in a long time, but it
seems like When to Go comes from the Native American tribes.
Actually a little bit more south, out of New Mexico
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and Nevada. But I could be mistaken.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, well, I just did an episode with Where the
Weird Ones Are, and most of the accounts that I
found were all primarily in the colder sections the northern
parts of the states. I didn't find a lot in
southern You're.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Right, I was mixing them up with skin Walkers, that's what.
But yes, you're right, it is northern Canada When to
Go because it's associated with feeding on human flesh and
bringing to death and winter. Yeah. Absolutely, so I'm not
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too far from Skinwalker Ranch. If you've heard of that.
That's just a couple of mountains away, A couple of
mountains away, that is, yeah, thing, just.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
A couple of mountains away. The curl flies.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, as the curl flies.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
So it's It's Utah is a very interesting, very haunted place,
and it has a lot of drifted sightings all on
its own. And I think, and we'll have to look
into this, but I think that Provo and Provo Canyon
has quite a few sightings, even I think some videotape
of the Big Man himself from up here, so you'll
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have to check that out.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I swear I have heard of this place. I can't
put my finger on where, but I've heard. The name
is so familiar to me. And did this only happen
on one occasion or did you ever hear it? Again?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
No, only one occasion. Okay, that's the only time I've
ever heard it. But there's We have another cabin a
little bit lower down that was my great great grandmother's
and we rent that out and there has been some
reports of like more paranormal experiences there, which is common sometimes.
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I wonder, since we rented out, if people are there, Hey,
we're in a creepy old cabin. Let's get the ougi
board out and then they they might bring some of
that yeahyboard lingers boards at the cabin house. But I'm
afraid people are doing it.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, we never know, right, you don't know what they're
going down there. I'll give cameras. I don't think that's legal.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Don't know, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
So what I think that is so interesting is, like
you said, there's a lot of reports up there and
a lot of people. I have my thought process on it,
so it primarily is a a lesser dense population in
these areas, and yet there are still so many reports
and a lot of people are like, oh, they just
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make it up or whatever. But the way I look
at it is, if there is a densely populated area,
if you are a creature of any kind, you avoid it.
You avoid it. Why you don't see deer. Okay, I
can't say that some towns you can see deer, But
if you're in New York City, you're not gonna see
a deer or a rabbit or something like that. You're
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gonna see things that can fly away, like pigeons and
stuff like that. But out there because it is less dense.
I mean, there's obviously population, but it's less dense, so
they have more room to run, and you are more
likely to see something if there are more there in
my thought process.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, absolutely deeper in the mountains. And still it's not
too far away from Provo, which is a large town,
and there are a few cabins up here, but it
is pretty deep in the mountains. And these mountains are
vast and huge, and there's plenty of wilderness up here.
It's not uh, it's not like you could just hike
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up this mountain in one day. It's absolutely massive and
there's so much just wild brush and trees, oh, rocks.
It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Oh yeah for a critter that you don't know about.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yes, yeah, that you don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Let me.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I was just thinking about my I was thinking about
your husband's your ex husband's story about the treadmill. And
when I moved back to Idaho, I was I had
a quick, weird experience there where I was playing video
games at night. We got to get that game time sometimes.
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And I'm sitting there and I'm playing and I have
all the lights off because I like to play in
the dark. And all of a sudden, the light behind
me in the kitchen turns on and that's okay, And
that light, all of a sudden it turned on behind me,
and I'm like, what the heck, why did that just
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turn on? And I'm like, I thought that lamp because
it was just a lamp I had set in the
kitchen area. I'm like, I don't even remember plugging that in.
So I get up and I walk over there. Sure enough,
that lamp isn't even plugged into the wall and it
had turned on. I get a couple of seconds and
then turned off. Yeah, it was pretty wild. And then
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in that same house I had.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
I'm doing the mind blowing not watching the video.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Okay, Yeah, So anyway, in that same that was just
a little apartment that when I first got married, that's
where I was. I was at in our first place,
and I had another experience there and I was sleeping
and my wife was sleeping next to me, and I
was I had just woke up, and I'm like, I
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gotta get up, I gotta go to work, but you
don't want to do it, so you're just you're just
waiting out the clock until that alarm goes off.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
And anyway, I'm laying there dreading going to work, and
then all of a sudden, this mischievous little female voice
gets right up next to me in my ear and
she says you're gonna be late and oh.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
That is cringe.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, So I was like, oh, I gotta go to work.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I did not tell my.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Wife about that.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
It was helping up what if it was? We didn't
see to that.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
It was just a voice, just a voice. She just
whispered in my ear. Oh, you're gonna be late.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
I just did an episode on a suckubists. So that's
why I was like, ooh, did you see it? Yeah,
Oh that's just rule. It's almost worse. I feel like
hearing it and not seeing it, I think is sometimes worse.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yeah. And I have a couple of stories like that,
hearing these disembodied voices and like you, I was like,
oh my god, am I Am I crazy? Do I
need to see a doctor? Because I can think of
three occasions, that being one of them where it's happened
to me and I just think I'm going crazy. And
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it scares you because you don't want to be You
don't want to go nuts. You know who does?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, but it makes you feel very easy. It definitely
makes me question your reality it because then it's am
I crazy? Is this in my head? Because at that
point you've probably already heard or seen multiple things. You're like,
am I really losing my mind? It's like you're literally
(45:08):
getting gas lit by a ghost. You know, they're driving crazy.
You're like, is this real? What is reality? What's happening?
Because I can't get through?
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, And you know, let me tell you just one
more little story about that, because there was this time
that I felt like I was actually under attack. And
this has never happened before or since this, But I
was young, I was maybe eighteen, and I was trying
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to sleep and I had a lot on my mind,
and all of a sudden, I felt like there was
a room full of people just talking, just talking, and
they wouldn't leave, and they just kept talking and it
was a middle and I'm like, I have to go
to sleep. What is this? I'm going insane. I was
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so scared that I was coming down with some sort
of condition, and it was very so I was just
praying to God that these voices would go away, and
eventually they did. But I was really nervous after that
experience that I was having some sort of mental break
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or that I had some sort of condition like schizophrenia
or something. But it's never happened again like that.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Oh, But Okay, again, you couldn't see it.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
It was just voices, just voices, like a room full
of people talking in my ear.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
And do you happen to know if there was any
history of the land or anything that you were living
on any inkling? Because I know out there especially was
it the Utah or Idaho thing?
Speaker 2 (46:59):
This was up and Idaho, But this wasn't too far.
We spoke about the Bear River massacre. This is only
a few miles away from where the Bear River massacre happened, So.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Something like that, if there was a burial something that
somebody doesn't know about. And maybe how long did you
live there.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
At that house? My parents still have a house down there,
but at that particular house, I was only there for
a couple of years before my parents built a different
home away from there.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Do you remember when it was in comparison to the
massacre as far as the date, like the month and day,
not the year?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Okay, I couldn't tell you because my No.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
The way I feel is I know that there are
there's different thought processes, and I feel as though when
something happens and it's something so bad that these things
all this negative energy is there and it imprints on
the land or the building or whatever is happening to me.
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That burst of energy is stronger on that day. So
say it's it says it's obvious, Okay, thank you, but
say it's January first. Something horrible happens on January first.
And some people believe that you can have hauntings all
year round and all that stuff, which I totally think
that could happen. But I feel like anytime around or
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on January first is going to be the easy. Like
that veil comes down because it's like an anniversary, so
it gets a little thinner. More things can get through,
they can get through clearer. It's like when people die
and they're like, oh, you just remember their birthday. But
I was like, maybe this that they can reach out
to you more. Or you'll have a wife dies and
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then a year like on the anniversary of her death,
the husband goes and it's sweet but creepy. But I'm like,
what if so she dies and it imprints that negative
Sometimes it's not negative, maybe she's sick, but anyway, it
it notes that date. So then when that date rolls
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around again, that veil is thinner. And maybe if the
husband's older and stuff like that I almost feel what
if she or that person could come closer and almost
like reaching out, it's okay, I can help you, like
I can guide you to the other side, that you
can come with me, and so they can get a
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little bit more of that feeling. And even if the
person doesn't mentally know, I sometimes feel that your soul
will know. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Almost, yeah, almost like they're gonna come guide you and
it's like okay, it's safe, and you're like okay, I'm ready,
and then you like, I'll go with you kind of situation.
Or they die around the same time, because there's also
that buffer zone that people believe once it happens, you
have a x amount of time span where things are
really just pumping full and then it'll like taper off.
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But I was wondering if maybe it was around that time,
because who knows. I don't know, nobody really knows. The
ghosts could die and maybe they can hitchhike, maybe they
can walk five miles. We don't know. They might be
stuck to the building and they can't leave. It might
be like a beetlejuice situation. We open the door alsuden
you're in like another dimension, you're like, whoa hold on,
(50:33):
I gotta stay in the house, gotcha, But we don't know.
You never know. And then if they're tied to something
that's not the land, essentially you're saying that it can
move around, like these haunted cars or an airplane or
a bus, stuff like that, because then they can travel, right,
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Essentially they can travel, but maybe they're tied to the vehicle.
Maybe they're not. Maybe they have you have a leash
and you're like, okay, you can go one hundred yards
from wherever the bus is at. But nobody knows. I
think they probably think because the energy, Yeah, the energy level.
I feel like the supply of whatever happened is what's
going to be powering essentially these spirits. So I feel
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like even if they were to travel, the farther they go,
the weaker they're going to be. If that's the case,
I don't Again, I don't know. I don't think anybody
really knows. Everything's just theory. But to me, that would
make sense. And what if it was around the anniversary
date and it was just that they things that happened
to you in the past, maybe you do have some
(51:39):
sort of I don't know, like pulse or something that
they could identify. Because also if it's very vast and
there's not a lot of population, it might be even
harder to find. They might be like, you really stuck
out because there's all there's not that many people. And
then through those not many people, there's not as many
people that could feel it or see him or hear them.
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And maybe they were trying to tell you something but
you couldn't make sense of it because it was all
blurred together, and it was like, Okay, we're all trying
to get our message in because we only have X
amount of time. Hurry up, you got thirty seconds to
tell me everything you want to know.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, that kind of situation. I do have a theory
that I've thought about maybe, and I like your angle
that you're working there as well, because it absolutely could
have been like a whole bunch of spirits that had
been lingering because I couldn't understand anything they were saying.
It's possible they could have been the Native Americans from
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that massacre.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Warning. Next, we briefly discuss a child predator. Please skip
ahead if this is a trigger.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
But at the time, I was very religious and I
had this mentor that was a higher up in the
local branch of my church, and he was what they
call like a second counselor to the pastor or the
bishop there. And he was very popular. Yeah, everybody liked him.
(53:08):
He was very charismatic. And it turned out that this
individual who I was very close with, was actually taking
advantage of little girls and stuff. And he was a
pedophile if you have to yeah, and I don't know
if you have to beat that word out, but he
(53:29):
was very He was a bad dude, and I was
very close to him, and I wondered if it bleeped
things out, well something to do.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
But ord of before you told me this, it said granddaughter,
and then it says frightened, like before he started his granddaughter,
and then whenever you brought up what was happening, goes frightened. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Yeah, it was a bad thing. And I didn't find
out till years later that he was doing those things.
But it's possible that he was trying to manipulate me,
trying to cruel so that yeah, and that's what I
was thinking. It was like, maybe maybe they came to me.
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I don't know. It was just a bunch of people
speaking in my mind. You mean, but it's possible that
he was doing it to boys as well. You mean,
this man like, maybe it comes to advantage.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
But you couldn't tell if they were.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
I can't the voice that you heard. I couldn't tell
all that. Yeah, No, I couldn't tell what the voices were.
But it felt it almost felt like a spiritual attack
on me. But maybe it was more like a warning, Okay,
you're in danger, you're not in a good place, something
along those lines. I really don't know, but it was
(54:52):
pretty scary.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
That is exceptionally creepy. Yeah, I one of the reasons
I quit going to church. Primarily Back in the day,
I went to a youth group religiously no pun intended
with a friend of mine and I was fourteen, and
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our youth leader was like thirty five or something, and
we were quote unquote playing this game that involved being
in the dark, and it was basically the backwards of
Hide and Go Seek, and he found where I was
at and like just smooched me. I was fourteen, and jeez,
(55:36):
Immediately I was like, what's what is happening? Get off me?
And I found out later that it had been a
problem and nobody had addressed it, of course, and it's
just And after that, I was like, you know what,
I'm good, Like I'm good. You can have your Holy
Bible or whatever you want to do. I don't care
what you got, but I don't want it because clearly
(55:57):
it's not true. And okay, at least it wasn't in
that case. I guess one bad apple spoils the bunch sometimes,
all right.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
But what I was wondering is.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
When you, okay, so when you heard the voices? I
know with me sometimes when I hear something or I
feel something, like I said, you could get that mental image?
Did you get any type of uh guesstimate of whether
it was old or young, or if they were old
or young or a mix or anything.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Now it felt like a mix of people. I felt, like,
I said, like a room full of people just relentlessly
talking at me, but none of them making any sense,
and all of them talking over each other. And it
was just very upset.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
What if they weren't talking, What if they were chanting
or praying?
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Possibility, but the same thing they.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
Wouldn't have to What if they don't have to say
the same thing? Everybody prays different, right, if you put
this is run. Now, if you put five people in
a group and you say pray, just pray out loud, go,
none of them probably are gonna have the same prayer.
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So what what if it's a mixture of It could
have been Native Americans and people like in the Amish communities,
or people that are just Christian. It could have been
a mix of everybody. And maybe the gibberish was that
they were all mixing together, or maybe it was in
languages that you didn't understand, and that's why you didn't
understand it.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
All things coming through at the same time.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yes, but they were all trying. Maybe they're trying to
protect you, like I said, or like maybe warn you
like you said. But after that, were you still around
that thing or going to call that thing a thing?
He's not a person anymore? Were you so right?
Speaker 2 (58:05):
No? No, I left. I left and I lived in
Hawaii for a couple of years after that.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
Any reason why you left?
Speaker 3 (58:14):
So I.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Went and I served an LDS mission, So I went
out was knocking doors for the church. But that's why
I left, and I actually found out out there.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Because what if that was a protection or they were
speaking something onto you and maybe had you been thinking
about but hadn't decided yet if you were going to
Hawaii or did you have the idea.
Speaker 2 (58:48):
That would have been right. Yeah, that would have been
right at the time that I was deciding if I
was going to go out there or not.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
Maybe that was literally a whisper in your ear to
plant go now, go, run, get away, which actually is funny.
My app just said run now. So what if that's
maybe that's what they were doing. Maybe it was like
when you tell yourself something so many times that you
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believe it. What if they were trying to pressure you
into you need to get out of here. It is
not safe.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah, I definitely agree. No, you know, yeah, and I
felt you talked about the between demons and spirits or
ghosts or whatever you want to call them. I think
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that there is a distinct difference between maybe someone who
has passed and is lingering, or something that has always
been here that is an evil at its core or Yeah.
I think that there are both on this plane. And
I think that the the veil can be thinned and
you can encounter one or the other. And I think
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that certain practices want to bring certain types, like we
talked I feel like that's more of a magnet for
like evil spirits or demons that are attracted to that
sort of thing, rather than you're.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Yeah and it knows it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yeah. In my opinion, these things deceive you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Just yeah, just because it is evil does not mean
that it always portrays itself as evil. Now, if if
something is good, it's only one to want to portray
itself as what it is because it's not causing you harm.
The goal is not to harm you. But if something
is evil, think about people. If these to me, yes,
(01:00:55):
when you are in the presence of something dark and
something evil as an impact, you can since if there
was ever any humanity in whatever is around you, and
sometimes there isn't. There was never a humanity in that.
It's literally void of anything that makes you feel like
a human. And sometimes I feel that, but knows that.
(01:01:20):
I totally just blanked out for a second. Oh wow, okay,
but these things and I totally lost where I was
going with that. I am so sorry, what are we
talking about?
Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
No, that's okay, So I no, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
I say.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
It literally giving her It's like move over.
Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Yeah, you're probably giving me my intentions of No. No,
we better. We've been on here for a long time.
Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I really was just like I was going somewhere and
I felt like it was important and then I just oh,
it blanked it people, See I just had a ADHD brain.
Let's say and leave here. So something I think just
doesn't want us in here. But if something is evil,
just like a person, if you have a sociopath or
a narcissist or whatever, you are not going to know.
(01:02:14):
You're not going to know, Bundy Dammer Camper. You are
not going to know that these things are monsters because
they are going to put on a show. They're going
to put on a facade. And I believe that things
that are evil are the same. If it is something good,
it is only going to be Oh, I just got
goosebumps everywhere. If it is something good, it is going
(01:02:35):
to be what it is because it has no reason
to lie to you. But if something evil wanted to
want something, it is going to be whatever it is
that you're looking for. And by Internet, I told you,
I told you it's going to happen. Yeah, my thing
goes unstable, click like hello, but yeah, so sorry, that's.
Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah, no, I get it. You should check out my
first episode, and your listeners should check out my first
episode because there is a wiki board experience there that
When I did an interview with the lady, she told
me her experience and it is pretty terrifying. And that
was a first hand account from that lady that I got.
(01:03:22):
But thank you so much for letting me be on
your show and talking to and I look forward to
watching more of your show and I hope that people
will find mine as well and will continue to grow
in this community.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Oh see, it's oh my gosh, it's definitely been a blast.
I love hearing super crazy stuff and you got some
frightened shit and just again, everybody, Mysteria Arkana go check
it out like share, I know, especially if you're just
getting into the realm. Help them out. By the way,
your voice is phenomenal for it's just awesome. I don't
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very it fits very well. I used to tell everybody
I have a face for radio. But again in the
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until next time we'll see it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Peace. Bye.
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today we have another new guest, so I'm pretty excited.
I have been chatting with him for a little bit
and we were able to get him on. It is
Alan Arcane with Mysteria Arcana. Welcome to the show. We
have again everything in the background for all my patrons
and anybody watching the video. We have all the censors
set up like normal. I've got my little box going
(01:32):
which has been a little rude but chatty today. So Alan,
I want to give you a moment here to just
let everyone know what you do, why you do it,
and where to find you. Just a little bit of
advertising that I just always throw out for frizzle at
the beginning, So just let us know what you want
us to know.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Awesome. Like you said, I'm Alan Arcane and the new
podcast I just started just called Mysteria ar Kana and
you can find that on YouTube, Instagram. That's where I'm
mostly where I do the Most of my work is
on Instagram, but I have a link tree there that
(02:15):
can connect you wherever you want to be connected, but
mostly Spotify YouTube. But it's a new show. It's about
all things strange. Just like this show, I try to
focus on true experiences from people that I know, people
who I've interviewed, people who I find online who are
(02:36):
sharing experiences, books, I've read things like that, but I
cover things from cryptids to ghostly encounters and anything you
can think of it between. But yeah, that's pretty much it.
I take a detective New War style approach to the show,
just to kind of differentiate it a little bit. But yeah,
(02:59):
it's it's been a really good time. Like I said,
it just started, so I'm about to drop the second episode.
But I have been wanting to get more into the community,
which has been great. You are awesome, and there's been
so much Yeah, there's been so much positivity and support
and a lot of people interested in contributing to the show.
(03:22):
So I'm really looking forward to getting started and getting
my name out there and just sharing my take on
the paranormal world.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Like you said, I try to focus on either things
that people have reported or having people on with the
first hand experiences, having people write in and all of
that stuff. So I just want to let everybody know
before we start getting into it too. If you miss
the beginning part, you don't want to go back and listen.
I'm going to put he filled out the form because
he's awesome, and I'm going to put all the links below,
(03:54):
So just go to the description of wherever you're listening,
and the links are going to be there where you
can find his stuff. So definitely go in there and
check it out. We'll do more of this at the end,
but I just want to make sure I tell everybody
they will be down below. There's not going to be
any resourcing because right now you're my sources. The sources
are here, so he's the source. I'm citing him now.
But I know that we had talked a little bit
(04:16):
back and forth, and I know that you have some
stuff that you've got working on, and just so you know,
the beginning part of your little movie thing with this
really nineteen twenties like Sherlock holmes s kind of thing
is awesome. I love it. I was like, oh, I
feel like I'm watching a movie instead of watching.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, I'm glad you liked it.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
But it was awesome. But yeah, we had talked about
you had some paranormal encounters at some point. How many
of those of you had, I.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Don't know if I've ever sat down and just counted
them out, and I'm sure just like you probably just
and full over a handful of paranormal encounters that I
can attribute to myself. So I'd say maybe less than
a dozen, but I even just almost a dozen paranormal
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encounters is quite a bit to some people.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
One thing I've noticed with a lot of people, like
I said, like us, it seems like there's always one
particular event, one encounter, one something that made you go,
holy shit, this stuff is real, what's happening, and then
it sparks your interests. Do you have one of those
moments where you were like, Okay, this is getting real,
(05:36):
let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I grew up in a very spiritual sort of culture
out in Utah. That's a very very spiritual culture out here.
I grew up Mormon, and so I had a lot
of experiences which my family may not believe in or
(06:03):
that I haven't always told them about for the same
reason of hey, I don't want to be the black cheep.
I don't want to be judged, just like how you
describe yourself and yeah, whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
You're you're going to burn in hell.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah. I think that Mormon culture, it lends itself to
a little bit more of a willingness to interact with
people on the other side of the veil. But usually
that's in a very wholesome spiritual context and not necessarily
(06:45):
in a paranormal context. But I would say for my
first awakening to this stuff, I mentioned in my first episode,
I think I'm the second caller on there. I just
I didn't introduce myself as Alan Arcane. I just was
(07:07):
more telling my story, but almost like I was a
caller myself. I think that I may have lived in
a haunted house when I was about five six years old.
Oh and so in that first episode, I talked about
some of the experiences I had with seeing shadow people
(07:31):
moving from room to room. I also had a reoccurring
dream of this shadow person chasing me up the stairs,
and like sometimes I would because in the dream the
goal was get up the stairs, get to Mom's bed,
and you're safe.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Oh yeah, under the cover, the trope of everything's safe
under the covers.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
The problem with that is dream I would wake up. Yeah,
I would wake up in my bed and I would
fill a presence in the bed next to me, and
so I would lift the covers off of this shadow
being and I would see it in the bed next
to me, and then that's when the race began, and
I would start running all the way up the stairs
(08:19):
to try to get to my parents' house or to
my parents' room, and I would sometimes I would make
it in the dream to my mom's bed, and then
i'd wake up and be like, oh good, I made it.
Or other times, though I couldn't make it fast enough,
I could hear it breathing and running behind me, and
it would grab me and wake me up in terror.
(08:42):
And sometimes I was just too tired, so I just
would start running. I'm like, I'm just too tired. I
can't do it, and I would just stop and listen
and wait for it to get me, and then I
would wake up. But yeah, pretty terrifying stuff as a
kid when you're four or five years.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Old, exactly. So I was laughing. So, I don't know
what's going on. Did you happen to have a seller
in this house?
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Seller? I was living in the basement of the house
and it's pretty deep basement.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Okay, So, just in curiosity, is there any relevance to
the number forty two or twenty three?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Just curious forty two or twenty three. I don't know.
I'd have to try it.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Okay, my thing. You're a seller, which is usually the basement,
and it was like you're talking about being in the basement,
and it's like seller. But then it gets forty two
to twenty three and then it says hiding, which kind
of explains like what you're doing. So that's why I
was like, I wonder if the twenty three and forty
two mean anything, because it's already like you're telling the
story and I'm on my headphones and this thing's popping in.
(09:44):
It's like almost like when you listen to somebody and
you repeat what they say so that you under they
understand that you're understanding them. It's almost like it's doing
this as you're telling your story. Oh okay, yeah, yeah,
I get this attracts.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I'll have to remember those numbers and maybe maybe i'll
check the address to the house or something. But I
haven't crazy. I actually know the address. Wouldn't that be wild?
Speaker 1 (10:05):
That would be wild? And it was two different voices.
Now it's going to attic. It was something morning an attic.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
But anyway, so you said that you in your dream
you were running to your parents room. Correct, it wasn't that?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
It says, indeed, thank you, it's coming back. So, but
when you woke up, were you in your parents' bed
or did you wake up in your bed after dreaming
of being in your parents' bed?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, I would wake up in my own bed. Trying
to get to know.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Par I'll just say, if you woke up in their bed,
I'd be like, ooh, So maybe it wasn't dreaming. But
that kind of makes sense that as.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
A child, it's been so long ago, that's possible.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And so when I told you that, when I, like,
virtually my whole life, I have been dealing with this
as well and having weird things. It was. It started
that the earliest I can remember, I was about five
or six as well, and I don't remember much about it.
I had a whole bunch of trauma going on, so
it's all kind of a blurb. But what I can
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remember is I remember this basement in my first house
that I can remember, and you went downstairs and the
washroom dryer was there, and then there was this one door,
like a random door that went nowhere, and it even
when I would walk by the door, but when it
was open, and like I started to walk down those
stairs it was like everything stood up, like everything everything
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inside of me was screaming like get out, go away,
it's not safe. Run And I, like I said, I
lived there from the time I was like five or
six until my teens, and I never wanted to go
in that basement. It did not matter how old I was.
I just did not want to go down there. But
nobody else could understand why I was like that, But
(11:56):
I was like, there is something bad down there.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Did you ever hear about basements?
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, well, in most I've been in basements and been fine.
It's just that particular basement there was something there. And
when I was buying a house, I was looking to
buy a house. When I was looking around, there was
a house, an old house, and that basement was bad.
I didn't even make it all the way down the stairs.
I was like, well, not here, We're not buying this
(12:23):
one next. So, aside from me in your dream, did
you get any feelings like that that you can remember.
I don't know how long you were in this house,
but do you remember getting any just bad mojo or
anything from the basement?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well? Yeah, so I talked about seeing like dark entities
in that story, like it was a big long staircase
that led down to that basement, really long, and I
think that the light to turn on, like the there's
a little square hallway that connected like the five rooms
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that were there, and in order to turn the light on,
you had to walk all the way down to the
bottom of the stairs. And then it was just pitch
black down there, maybe not pitchback, the very dark all
the time. And I just remember walking down those stairs
(13:21):
and seeing these fast moving shadow things running from room
to room in that hallway, and then you flick on
the lights and nothing is there. Yeah, I mean that's
like but I yeah, I always felt like something was
(13:42):
moving out of the corner of my eye. I don't
know if you've ever felt this way, but I feel
like you walk into a room and like some blankets
are shifting or moving, or like the curtains are moving,
or you feel like you saw somebody duck behind a
door or something. I always felt that way in that house.
And I'm going to tell this story later on in
(14:04):
my podcast. But when I moved back to Idaho for
a little while, because all this event, all these events
happened in Idaho. But when I eventually moved back there,
and bought my own house in a town not too
far from where I grew up. I had a really
crazy event happened that kind of reach reinvigorated my interest
(14:29):
in the paranormal. And I don't know if you want
to get into that now, but I could.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You are you are the guests. I do have a
few more questions about this house, though, so whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
You sure, Yeah, let's hit those first.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Okay, So how long did you live in this house?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I was born there, I probably lived there until I
was close to six years old.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Okay, okay, so when this all started happening, you were
there very long afterwards before you moved right, okay, okay,
just curious. Did anyone I guess at five or six,
they wouldn't have been talking to you about it, But
did anyone as you were grown? Did you ever bring
(15:20):
it up to anyone that was living there with you?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah? I mentioned it to my mom and I said, hey, Mom,
is this house haunted? And she's no, it can't be
haunted because the local pastor or bishop of the church,
this was his brother's house and obviously nothing bad could
ever happen at a religious person's brother's house.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Oh yeah, so oh, dude, they want my.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Cat shut it down, then watch your cat.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
It goes more Titia, which is my cat's name, then
it goes we want it. Oh God. But okay. So
her thought process was that it not that it wasn't
one hundred percent, but that there's no way that it
could have been because it belonged to a family member
of the pastor correct.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Which to me is just totally bizarre because it's just
because the pastor's religious doesn't mean his brother's super religious.
And even if he was, it doesn't mean that bad
things can't be attached to locations exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
But the only thing would be unless that castor maybe
it was, if anything happened, the pastor would have I
don't know, exercised the house or cleansed it or whatever.
But if there's no mention of that, then I agree
with you, it's not going to make a difference who
you are, because everybody's different. My family all are religious religiously,
(17:03):
go to church, I know, but intended, and they do
all of that, they sing in the choir, and then
there's me that I'm just like, nah, like it just
ain't gonna happen. My sister is like the lead of
the woman's ministry or something. And then there's me and
I'm like, nah, like there are ghosts in this house.
Oh my gosh, I just had the wop song but
(17:24):
it was like, there's some ghosts in this house. Oh sorry, ADHD.
Brain is working on me right now. But but the
person you bring it up to never said anything weird happened,
no reports from anybody.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I think for my mother in particular, I think a
lot of times they just overlook anything strange and they
just tell themselves it's not really happening. Nothing, just a coincidence. Yeah,
I don't know my family about that locations, but yeah,
I agree, Oh.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Maybe you could, maybe there'd be something. But some people
are so die hard that nothing's going on spook that
this is definitely thank you, but nothing could happen. It's
always in their mind whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Won't understand. Some people just choose to be ignorant. Yes,
they don't want to believe because it's easier not to,
or because of their faith system doesn't allow them to.
Or they just say everything's evil and there is no
good in the spirit world. This so which I don't
agree with.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
But this is all right, all right, But I'm with you.
It's like some people are just so dead set on it,
and I wonder sometimes if it's if they give in
and they believe that one thing is true and that
one thing is happening, then that opens them up to
all this other stuff. Like I said, when I said
(19:00):
something happened when I was fifteen that just rocked my world.
I grew up not Mormon, but I was raised in
a very religious household. Father son, holy ghosts, all that stuff.
And when I was fifteen, I was in the driver's
seat and there was the only way I could describe
this thing was it had to have been a demon,
(19:22):
because I can sense when people are people. This thing
was never human, and we were staring each other down
for it's not. Oh, I blinked and it was gone
new I blinked and it was still there. And then
we had to stare down for at least a solid
minute or two before I closed my eyes and said,
you've got to go, like you got to get out
of here, like I don't want you here, just go away.
(19:45):
But when I saw that and I could not deny it,
it shattered everything, like all of my belief because I'm like, wait,
if that happened. Then everything I was told is a lie,
everything which is not necessarily true because if you think
(20:05):
about it, even in Christianity, you have angels and you
have demons. Now they don't acknowledge that the demons can
interact with you, but they sure as hell tell you
that the angels can. But the way I look at
it is you can't have one without the other. So
if you can have these communications with angels and all
of that, then by golly, the demons can too. They
don't want to talk about that because that's going to
(20:27):
make you sound crazy or whatever. But it shattered everything.
So I think a lot of times people deny it
because to them, it's if I believe this, then everything
my entire life has been a lie, and they just
refuse to it would shatter everything.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
But anyway, yeah, and that is scary for some people
to have their worldview question or question the booty.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
We got pervy pollen. Here he goes rapture booty. I
was like, oh, would that be like the Mormon way
of saying raise your butt.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah or whatever?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, wrap through your booty.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
It's too funny that.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
They're coming. They're coming down to your level. What's happening.
They're they are relating to you. Is what's going on
right now?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's funny, Like we got to speak to him in
the language that he understands Mormon.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
We can't say gift.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
As far as other paranormal experiences go, do you have
experiences with cryptids or aliens or Bigfoot or anything of
that nature outside of the ghosts and the demons cryptids?
Speaker 1 (21:51):
No, So I've been in the woods and had some
weird feelings, but I've never had it's this interesting. So
I've never had anything visual happen or physical happened to me.
Monster wise, I am so skeptical on the alien thing.
(22:13):
I had an experience. I guess you could call it
experience that if you think of it from a logical
investigator standpoint. I was abducted. It was very similar to
a typical abduction, but a little different. But the different
(22:36):
is what made it seem so real. But again, I
am very skeptical. I was like, ah, but I'm still
in my head, I'm going, eh, wasn't just a dream.
But then I'm like, it was very real for a dream,
you have one when it comes.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
To my own.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I talk about that another time.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
One mine's very brief, and I'll tell it because I
don't have any memory if this was, if it even happened,
because like yours, I was in a stream state, and
at least I think I was. So I woke up
in the middle of the night to this bright blue
(23:20):
light coming from across the hall in my parents' room,
and usually I slept with my door open, my parents
slept with their door open, and this bright light and
it wasn't just a light, it was like this really loud,
vibrating sound. I thought it was like it sounded like
a train trying to come through the house, or like
(23:43):
a helicopter was landing on the house. It was so
loud and wow, just a lot of vibration and this
bright blue light. And so I remember getting up and
being freaked out and walking into my parents' room thinking,
how come not everybody body's up, and rushing the window
right now to see what's going on? Have gom I
(24:05):
the only one? And I remember going to their window
looking at that bright light, and then I remember nothing.
And I woke up the next day and I asked
my mom. I'm like, Mom, do you remember this happening
last night? Did you hear anything or feel anything. She's now,
you're probably just dreaming. Typical response from my mom. I
(24:30):
don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah, okay, So when I have these dreams that are
like premonition, there's a difference. I can feel the difference
when it is a dream that is a premonition and
when it's just a vivid dream or if it's just
a random, bizarre dream, like I can feel like I know,
And with mine, it felt like it was one of
the dreams, that it was real. And so when you
(24:55):
said you saw the light and then boom, where did
you wake up in your bed or did you wake
up standing in the same spot and then go to bed.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
No, I woke up in my bed the next morning.
So that's why it's hard to know whether or not
this was a dream. But it didn't feel like a dream.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Missing time, alan missing time.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
That is a poster.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Okay, as you're describing this, I was so hardcore picturing
the abduction from the X Files when the sister's taken,
only not at a window. So have you seen that
the abduction scene?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
So it is that very bright, it's like that vibrating
and he's what the heck? But next thing, he knows
there's this super bright light that's all you can see,
and then poof, like she disappears, and then he's like
up and she's gone. It very much so.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I actually compared that to my experience.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
But that was like the visual that I was picturing.
Is that almost like a spotlight, almost like you would
think that somebody in your house swat was coming. The
helicopter sound, the vibration, and then the super super bright
and did the light move it all. Was it like
a swooping or did it just show up real bright
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and then you wouldn't have seen it disappear because you
essentially disappeared.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
It was just a constant light and that constant rumbling
and the house was almost shaking. I almost felt like
it was quake. It was so loud and just sounds pretty.
And I couldn't believe that nobody else. It's just strange
that nobody else woke up. It's strange that nobody else
remembered this.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
To me, that is one of the biggest indicators because
it happens and so many abduction scenarios, it's almost as
if everyone else gets paralyzed. They have no idea what's
happening except the victim. Only the abductee can move or
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do anything. And I've heard so many accounts that are
like that. So this sounds very much so like a
typical abduction.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Just saying it might have been I'm not sure. I
also think about getting hypnosis done to see if I
can maybe overwatch those memories but a part of it,
and just seeing if there was anything, If anything actually happened,
then there's happening. Man. Once you open that box up,
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you don't know, you don't know how to bring that back,
because yes, exactly, And that's a little bit scary.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Oh, I've had some stuff words like it blanks out
and you're like, something, something clearly happened in just in
regular life. Like I said, I've had some pretty traumatic
experiences and I generally blank things out as most humans do.
But it's like, whatever happened, it messed with you. It's
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you have triggers about certain things, or certain things just
get under your skin, or you don't even you don't
even know until it happens, and you have a trauma
response to something that you don't even know what caused it,
and every time you know, it's blanks and then you're
like I'm messed up, right, this is causing problems. But
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how more messed up would I be if I actually
knew what happened to me? You don't know? Are you
better off not knowing? Because your brain's Hey, you can't
handle this, So we're just going to erase it, almost
like Pandora's box. We're gonna put in Pandora's box. Just
don't look in there, because again you can't unring a bell.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I don't know if I would do it.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I go back and forth. Yeah, like you're not messed
up after your experience, so maybe I should do it.
You just like face it and maybe don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
So much weird stuff happens, and I feel like I'm
like a prerequisited just being like, like I have stuff
Like I will be in a room and the lights
will flicker, things will come off the wall, and I'm like, oh,
it's fine, and everybody else is freaked out. I'm like, nah,
it happens all the time. So maybe that's why I
was allowed to remember. Is this CRYPTI So.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yes, I'll tell you my cryptied experience.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Okay, apparently it wants to bring it on.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
So I only have yeah, I only have this one,
and it's not that crazy. But right now I'm in
Utah at my family's cabin they have up in the
mountains of Provo Canyon, and it's beautiful country, but it's
very very It's where the sun Dance is, which is
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the Sundance film festivals are pretty popular anyway, so I
and I think that there has been some other sightings
up here of the Big Man himself. But my experience
was I was here, other family members were here, and
sometimes I can be a bit of a night owl.
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I was reading and all of a sudden, I start
hearing this sound and the sounds kind of carrying, and
I thought, man, somebody's kid is crying or something or
really wailing. And I'm like, what is that and and
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I'm like, it's not coming from inside the house. So
I opened my window and all of a sudden, I
can hear this sound a little bit more clearly, and
it sounds like this large, long, wailing sound carrying over
the mountain of something that almost sounds like it was
lamenting or something. But it was this strange guttural kind
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of screaming that was carrying, and I was hearing it
and it was doing it in these long birl of
yeah yeah, and it was doing it in these long
bursts of man. No human could just hold that screaming
wail yeah for that long and that deep and that
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powerful way up in the mountains, and I could tell
that this was very far away, and I just kept
hearing it. And growing up in the church, Mormonism is
very tied to scouting, so I have a lot of
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outdoorsm and skills as well because I grew up in
that program. I know my animals. I've hunted all my life,
and I can identify the animals in this area, and
this thing I was hearing just was not in my
repertoire of animals that I could identify. And I went
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to the Internet right away looking for sounds of animals
that maybe I could have been mistaking it for. And
the closest thing that I ever found was Bigfoot recordings.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
So interesting. So when I hear people talk about like
a crying in the woods, I immediately go to the
Bobcat Mountain lion because they sound like women or children screaming.
It's very obvious sound like a yeah. It's it's very
unnerving to hear that screaming sound, especially if it's been
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an octave that is not familiar. And to me, when
you which I'm gonna ask to, I guess I could
just go ahead and ask. Sometimes I feel that it's
almost like their yells are not just auditory. There's some
sort of like infra sound attached to it. So it's
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not just that you're hearing it, you are feeling it
like that vibration. You can feel it to your core.
When you're hearing these things screened, you get that at all,
where it was not just an audio auditory response. It
was like you were like feeling it like vibrations.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Oh yes, absolutely, yeah. It felt different. It felt different,
and it felt scary. Yeah, And I don't always attribute
Bigfoot to scary, but it was unnerving and other animals
that were unnerving. Yeah, maybe yeah. And a lot of
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people think that Bigfoot is more of a spiritual being
rather than a physical being, So who knows.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I think maybe it's a little I lean towards physical
with what we would attribute to supernatural abilities, but or
maybe even about me. I am a person, but some
of the stuff that I do is not natural. So
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I look at them kind of like that, which is
why I tell people I will never go squatching. I
can set off my K two meter. It's funny when
I'm upset or like really upset or angry, weird set
like electrical stuff does not work right, and I think,
I like there's something going on, which I think a
lot of people that can see or hear or do
different things. I feel like we have some kind of
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extra sensory thing and that's how they can sense us,
like they know like ghosts, no spirits know things know
when it's almost like there's twenty people in a room
and one of them can hear or see or whatever,
then they're gonna be like, I'm going to why waste
my time with these twenty people when I know I
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could tell this person could hear me, this person could
see me, this person can know that I am here.
It's almost like a beacon, right, Like you're a lighthouse
in the dark for these things. And I feel the
big Foot dog Man, those two in particular, I feel
like those have that just like I said, as they
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can communicate and send that sound out, they could use
it as echo location or or just to know the
other ones are close, or they know when people are
close they know they can evade things because they can
feel them there. Whether they're animalistic or not, they can
feel it. So I'm thinking, you drop me in the
woods and I'm a beacon. Hell no, you guys.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Want to for you not?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, I do not want to. I don't want to
be Bigfoot's wife or whatever. Not gonna happen. And that's
the way I feel. But yours was just a cry. Right,
you heard it, but you didn't see anything, because.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
When you said it was dark, no, I didn't see anything. Yeah,
it was in the middle of the night. It was like, yeah,
midnight or something like that. Everybody else was sleeping and
I was gonna wake anybody else to be like, hey,
can you hear this crazy sound? Mm hmm, But yeah
it was. It was just me hearing that. It was
like a wailing moan. It's real hard to describe. It
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was at a very deep octave for a very long time,
and on and off. It would go for a long
time and then taper off and then start up again
and then taper off. So it was strange.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
So I'm not good with geography. Bear with me here, Utah,
isn't that like north on the US scale?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Northwest. It's just a couple of states away from the
west coast.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
So what are your thoughts on Wind to Go? Because
they're primarily up, aren't they in like Montana and like
a southern Canada northern US?
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, they're I think comes. No, it's okay. I haven't
read up on it in a long time, but it
seems like When to Go comes from the Native American tribes.
Actually a little bit more south, out of New Mexico
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and Nevada. But I could be mistaken.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Yeah, well, I just did an episode with Where the
Weird Ones Are, and most of the accounts that I
found were all primarily in the colder sections the northern
parts of the states. I didn't find a lot in
southern You're.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Right, I was mixing them up with skin Walkers, that's what.
But yes, you're right, it is northern Canada When to
Go because it's associated with feeding on human flesh and
bringing to death and winter. Yeah. Absolutely, so I'm not
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too far from Skinwalker Ranch. If you've heard of that.
That's just a couple of mountains away, A couple of
mountains away, that is, yeah, thing, just.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
A couple of mountains away. The curl flies.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yeah, as the curl flies.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
So it's It's Utah is a very interesting, very haunted place,
and it has a lot of drifted sightings all on
its own. And I think, and we'll have to look
into this, but I think that Provo and Provo Canyon
has quite a few sightings, even I think some videotape
of the Big Man himself from up here, so you'll
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have to check that out.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I swear I have heard of this place. I can't
put my finger on where, but I've heard. The name
is so familiar to me. And did this only happen
on one occasion or did you ever hear it? Again?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
No, only one occasion. Okay, that's the only time I've
ever heard it. But there's We have another cabin a
little bit lower down that was my great great grandmother's
and we rent that out and there has been some
reports of like more paranormal experiences there, which is common sometimes.
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I wonder, since we rented out, if people are there, Hey,
we're in a creepy old cabin. Let's get the ougi
board out and then they they might bring some of
that yeahyboard lingers boards at the cabin house. But I'm
afraid people are doing it.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, we never know, right, you don't know what they're
going down there. I'll give cameras. I don't think that's legal.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Don't know, but I don't.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
So what I think that is so interesting is, like
you said, there's a lot of reports up there and
a lot of people. I have my thought process on it,
so it primarily is a a lesser dense population in
these areas, and yet there are still so many reports
and a lot of people are like, oh, they just
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make it up or whatever. But the way I look
at it is, if there is a densely populated area,
if you are a creature of any kind, you avoid it.
You avoid it. Why you don't see deer. Okay, I
can't say that some towns you can see deer, But
if you're in New York City, you're not gonna see
a deer or a rabbit or something like that. You're
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gonna see things that can fly away, like pigeons and
stuff like that. But out there because it is less dense.
I mean, there's obviously population, but it's less dense, so
they have more room to run, and you are more
likely to see something if there are more there in
my thought process.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, absolutely deeper in the mountains. And still it's not
too far away from Provo, which is a large town,
and there are a few cabins up here, but it
is pretty deep in the mountains. And these mountains are
vast and huge, and there's plenty of wilderness up here.
It's not uh, it's not like you could just hike
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up this mountain in one day. It's absolutely massive and
there's so much just wild brush and trees, oh, rocks.
It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Oh yeah for a critter that you don't know about.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yes, yeah, that you don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Let me.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
I was just thinking about my I was thinking about
your husband's your ex husband's story about the treadmill. And
when I moved back to Idaho, I was I had
a quick, weird experience there where I was playing video
games at night. We got to get that game time sometimes.
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And I'm sitting there and I'm playing and I have
all the lights off because I like to play in
the dark. And all of a sudden, the light behind
me in the kitchen turns on and that's okay, And
that light, all of a sudden it turned on behind me,
and I'm like, what the heck, why did that just
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turn on? And I'm like, I thought that lamp because
it was just a lamp I had set in the
kitchen area. I'm like, I don't even remember plugging that in.
So I get up and I walk over there. Sure enough,
that lamp isn't even plugged into the wall and it
had turned on. I get a couple of seconds and
then turned off. Yeah, it was pretty wild. And then
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in that same house I had.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
I'm doing the mind blowing not watching the video.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Okay, Yeah, So anyway, in that same that was just
a little apartment that when I first got married, that's
where I was. I was at in our first place,
and I had another experience there and I was sleeping
and my wife was sleeping next to me, and I
was I had just woke up, and I'm like, I
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gotta get up, I gotta go to work, but you
don't want to do it, so you're just you're just
waiting out the clock until that alarm goes off.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
And anyway, I'm laying there dreading going to work, and
then all of a sudden, this mischievous little female voice
gets right up next to me in my ear and
she says you're gonna be late and oh.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
That is cringe.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, So I was like, oh, I gotta go to work.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
I did not tell my.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
Wife about that.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
It was helping up what if it was? We didn't
see to that.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
It was just a voice, just a voice. She just
whispered in my ear. Oh, you're gonna be late.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
I just did an episode on a suckubists. So that's
why I was like, ooh, did you see it? Yeah,
Oh that's just rule. It's almost worse. I feel like
hearing it and not seeing it, I think is sometimes worse.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yeah. And I have a couple of stories like that,
hearing these disembodied voices and like you, I was like,
oh my god, am I Am I crazy? Do I
need to see a doctor? Because I can think of
three occasions, that being one of them where it's happened
to me and I just think I'm going crazy. And
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it scares you because you don't want to be You
don't want to go nuts. You know who does?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, but it makes you feel very easy. It definitely
makes me question your reality it because then it's am
I crazy? Is this in my head? Because at that
point you've probably already heard or seen multiple things. You're like,
am I really losing my mind? It's like you're literally
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getting gas lit by a ghost. You know, they're driving crazy.
You're like, is this real? What is reality? What's happening?
Because I can't get through?
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, And you know, let me tell you just one
more little story about that, because there was this time
that I felt like I was actually under attack. And
this has never happened before or since this, But I
was young, I was maybe eighteen, and I was trying
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to sleep and I had a lot on my mind,
and all of a sudden, I felt like there was
a room full of people just talking, just talking, and
they wouldn't leave, and they just kept talking and it
was a middle and I'm like, I have to go
to sleep. What is this? I'm going insane. I was
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so scared that I was coming down with some sort
of condition, and it was very so I was just
praying to God that these voices would go away, and
eventually they did. But I was really nervous after that
experience that I was having some sort of mental break
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or that I had some sort of condition like schizophrenia
or something. But it's never happened again like that.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Oh, But Okay, again, you couldn't see it.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
It was just voices, just voices, like a room full
of people talking in my ear.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
And do you happen to know if there was any
history of the land or anything that you were living
on any inkling? Because I know out there especially was
it the Utah or Idaho thing?
Speaker 2 (46:59):
This was up and Idaho, But this wasn't too far.
We spoke about the Bear River massacre. This is only
a few miles away from where the Bear River massacre happened, So.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Something like that, if there was a burial something that
somebody doesn't know about. And maybe how long did you
live there.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
At that house? My parents still have a house down there,
but at that particular house, I was only there for
a couple of years before my parents built a different
home away from there.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Do you remember when it was in comparison to the
massacre as far as the date, like the month and day,
not the year?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Okay, I couldn't tell you because my No.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
The way I feel is I know that there are
there's different thought processes, and I feel as though when
something happens and it's something so bad that these things
all this negative energy is there and it imprints on
the land or the building or whatever is happening to me.
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That burst of energy is stronger on that day. So
say it's it says it's obvious, Okay, thank you, but
say it's January first. Something horrible happens on January first.
And some people believe that you can have hauntings all
year round and all that stuff, which I totally think
that could happen. But I feel like anytime around or
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on January first is going to be the easy. Like
that veil comes down because it's like an anniversary, so
it gets a little thinner. More things can get through,
they can get through clearer. It's like when people die
and they're like, oh, you just remember their birthday. But
I was like, maybe this that they can reach out
to you more. Or you'll have a wife dies and
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then a year like on the anniversary of her death,
the husband goes and it's sweet but creepy. But I'm like,
what if so she dies and it imprints that negative
Sometimes it's not negative, maybe she's sick, but anyway, it
it notes that date. So then when that date rolls
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around again, that veil is thinner. And maybe if the
husband's older and stuff like that I almost feel what
if she or that person could come closer and almost
like reaching out, it's okay, I can help you, like
I can guide you to the other side, that you
can come with me, and so they can get a
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little bit more of that feeling. And even if the
person doesn't mentally know, I sometimes feel that your soul
will know. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Almost, yeah, almost like they're gonna come guide you and
it's like okay, it's safe, and you're like okay, I'm ready,
and then you like, I'll go with you kind of situation.
Or they die around the same time, because there's also
that buffer zone that people believe once it happens, you
have a x amount of time span where things are
really just pumping full and then it'll like taper off.
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But I was wondering if maybe it was around that time,
because who knows. I don't know, nobody really knows. The
ghosts could die and maybe they can hitchhike, maybe they
can walk five miles. We don't know. They might be
stuck to the building and they can't leave. It might
be like a beetlejuice situation. We open the door alsuden
you're in like another dimension, you're like, whoa hold on,
(50:33):
I gotta stay in the house, gotcha, But we don't know.
You never know. And then if they're tied to something
that's not the land, essentially you're saying that it can
move around, like these haunted cars or an airplane or
a bus, stuff like that, because then they can travel, right,
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Essentially they can travel, but maybe they're tied to the vehicle.
Maybe they're not. Maybe they have you have a leash
and you're like, okay, you can go one hundred yards
from wherever the bus is at. But nobody knows. I
think they probably think because the energy, Yeah, the energy level.
I feel like the supply of whatever happened is what's
going to be powering essentially these spirits. So I feel
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like even if they were to travel, the farther they go,
the weaker they're going to be. If that's the case,
I don't Again, I don't know. I don't think anybody
really knows. Everything's just theory. But to me, that would
make sense. And what if it was around the anniversary
date and it was just that they things that happened
to you in the past, maybe you do have some
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sort of I don't know, like pulse or something that
they could identify. Because also if it's very vast and
there's not a lot of population, it might be even
harder to find. They might be like, you really stuck
out because there's all there's not that many people. And
then through those not many people, there's not as many
people that could feel it or see him or hear them.
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And maybe they were trying to tell you something but
you couldn't make sense of it because it was all
blurred together, and it was like, Okay, we're all trying
to get our message in because we only have X
amount of time. Hurry up, you got thirty seconds to
tell me everything you want to know.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, that kind of situation. I do have a theory
that I've thought about maybe, and I like your angle
that you're working there as well, because it absolutely could
have been like a whole bunch of spirits that had
been lingering because I couldn't understand anything they were saying.
It's possible they could have been the Native Americans from
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that massacre.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Warning. Next, we briefly discuss a child predator. Please skip
ahead if this is a trigger.
Speaker 2 (52:45):
But at the time, I was very religious and I
had this mentor that was a higher up in the
local branch of my church, and he was what they
call like a second counselor to the pastor or the
bishop there. And he was very popular. Yeah, everybody liked him.
(53:08):
He was very charismatic. And it turned out that this
individual who I was very close with, was actually taking
advantage of little girls and stuff. And he was a
pedophile if you have to yeah, and I don't know
if you have to beat that word out, but he
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was very He was a bad dude, and I was
very close to him, and I wondered if it bleeped
things out, well something to do.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
But ord of before you told me this, it said granddaughter,
and then it says frightened, like before he started his granddaughter,
and then whenever you brought up what was happening, goes frightened. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
Yeah, it was a bad thing. And I didn't find
out till years later that he was doing those things.
But it's possible that he was trying to manipulate me,
trying to cruel so that yeah, and that's what I
was thinking. It was like, maybe maybe they came to me.
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I don't know. It was just a bunch of people
speaking in my mind. You mean, but it's possible that
he was doing it to boys as well. You mean,
this man like, maybe it comes to advantage.
Speaker 1 (54:27):
But you couldn't tell if they were.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
I can't the voice that you heard. I couldn't tell
all that. Yeah, No, I couldn't tell what the voices were.
But it felt it almost felt like a spiritual attack
on me. But maybe it was more like a warning, Okay,
you're in danger, you're not in a good place, something
along those lines. I really don't know, but it was
(54:52):
pretty scary.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
That is exceptionally creepy. Yeah, I one of the reasons
I quit going to church. Primarily Back in the day,
I went to a youth group religiously no pun intended
with a friend of mine and I was fourteen, and
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our youth leader was like thirty five or something, and
we were quote unquote playing this game that involved being
in the dark, and it was basically the backwards of
Hide and Go Seek, and he found where I was
at and like just smooched me. I was fourteen, and jeez,
(55:36):
Immediately I was like, what's what is happening? Get off me?
And I found out later that it had been a
problem and nobody had addressed it, of course, and it's
just And after that, I was like, you know what,
I'm good, Like I'm good. You can have your Holy
Bible or whatever you want to do. I don't care
what you got, but I don't want it because clearly
(55:57):
it's not true. And okay, at least it wasn't in
that case. I guess one bad apple spoils the bunch sometimes,
all right.
Speaker 2 (56:05):
But what I was wondering is.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
When you, okay, so when you heard the voices? I
know with me sometimes when I hear something or I
feel something, like I said, you could get that mental image?
Did you get any type of uh guesstimate of whether
it was old or young, or if they were old
or young or a mix or anything.
Speaker 2 (56:31):
Now it felt like a mix of people. I felt, like,
I said, like a room full of people just relentlessly
talking at me, but none of them making any sense,
and all of them talking over each other. And it
was just very upset.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
What if they weren't talking, What if they were chanting
or praying?
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Possibility, but the same thing they.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
Wouldn't have to What if they don't have to say
the same thing? Everybody prays different, right, if you put
this is run. Now, if you put five people in
a group and you say pray, just pray out loud, go,
none of them probably are gonna have the same prayer.
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So what what if it's a mixture of It could
have been Native Americans and people like in the Amish communities,
or people that are just Christian. It could have been
a mix of everybody. And maybe the gibberish was that
they were all mixing together, or maybe it was in
languages that you didn't understand, and that's why you didn't
understand it.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
All things coming through at the same time.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yes, but they were all trying. Maybe they're trying to
protect you, like I said, or like maybe warn you
like you said. But after that, were you still around
that thing or going to call that thing a thing?
He's not a person anymore? Were you so right?
Speaker 2 (58:05):
No? No, I left. I left and I lived in
Hawaii for a couple of years after that.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
Any reason why you left?
Speaker 3 (58:14):
So I.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Went and I served an LDS mission, So I went
out was knocking doors for the church. But that's why
I left, and I actually found out out there.
Speaker 1 (58:30):
Because what if that was a protection or they were
speaking something onto you and maybe had you been thinking
about but hadn't decided yet if you were going to
Hawaii or did you have the idea.
Speaker 2 (58:48):
That would have been right. Yeah, that would have been
right at the time that I was deciding if I
was going to go out there or not.
Speaker 1 (58:56):
Maybe that was literally a whisper in your ear to
plant go now, go, run, get away, which actually is funny.
My app just said run now. So what if that's
maybe that's what they were doing. Maybe it was like
when you tell yourself something so many times that you
(59:19):
believe it. What if they were trying to pressure you
into you need to get out of here. It is
not safe.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah, I definitely agree. No, you know, yeah, and I
felt you talked about the between demons and spirits or
ghosts or whatever you want to call them. I think
(59:50):
that there is a distinct difference between maybe someone who
has passed and is lingering, or something that has always
been here that is an evil at its core or Yeah.
I think that there are both on this plane. And
I think that the the veil can be thinned and
you can encounter one or the other. And I think
(01:00:10):
that certain practices want to bring certain types, like we
talked I feel like that's more of a magnet for
like evil spirits or demons that are attracted to that
sort of thing, rather than you're.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Yeah and it knows it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yeah. In my opinion, these things deceive you.
Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Just yeah, just because it is evil does not mean
that it always portrays itself as evil. Now, if if
something is good, it's only one to want to portray
itself as what it is because it's not causing you harm.
The goal is not to harm you. But if something
is evil, think about people. If these to me, yes,
(01:00:55):
when you are in the presence of something dark and
something evil as an impact, you can since if there
was ever any humanity in whatever is around you, and
sometimes there isn't. There was never a humanity in that.
It's literally void of anything that makes you feel like
a human. And sometimes I feel that, but knows that.
(01:01:20):
I totally just blanked out for a second. Oh wow, okay,
but these things and I totally lost where I was
going with that. I am so sorry, what are we
talking about?
Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
No, that's okay, So I no, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
I say.
Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
It literally giving her It's like move over.
Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Yeah, you're probably giving me my intentions of No. No,
we better. We've been on here for a long time.
Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
I really was just like I was going somewhere and
I felt like it was important and then I just oh,
it blanked it people, See I just had a ADHD brain.
Let's say and leave here. So something I think just
doesn't want us in here. But if something is evil,
just like a person, if you have a sociopath or
a narcissist or whatever, you are not going to know.
(01:02:14):
You're not going to know, Bundy Dammer Camper. You are
not going to know that these things are monsters because
they are going to put on a show. They're going
to put on a facade. And I believe that things
that are evil are the same. If it is something good,
it is only going to be Oh, I just got
goosebumps everywhere. If it is something good, it is going
(01:02:35):
to be what it is because it has no reason
to lie to you. But if something evil wanted to
want something, it is going to be whatever it is
that you're looking for. And by Internet, I told you,
I told you it's going to happen. Yeah, my thing
goes unstable, click like hello, but yeah, so sorry, that's.
Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah, no, I get it. You should check out my
first episode, and your listeners should check out my first
episode because there is a wiki board experience there that
When I did an interview with the lady, she told
me her experience and it is pretty terrifying. And that
was a first hand account from that lady that I got.
(01:03:22):
But thank you so much for letting me be on
your show and talking to and I look forward to
watching more of your show and I hope that people
will find mine as well and will continue to grow
in this community.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Oh see, it's oh my gosh, it's definitely been a blast.
I love hearing super crazy stuff and you got some
frightened shit and just again, everybody, Mysteria Arkana go check
it out like share, I know, especially if you're just
getting into the realm. Help them out. By the way,
your voice is phenomenal for it's just awesome. I don't
(01:04:01):
even know what you look like, but your voice does
very it fits very well. I used to tell everybody
I have a face for radio. But again in the
description you can find the links everything review but only
five star reviews for people that are on my show,
because we rock. But that being said, I appreciate you
being here, and again, everybody go check it out and
(01:04:23):
until next time we'll see it.
Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Peace. Bye.
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