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August 6, 2025 41 mins
Natty and her guest dive into the legend of the Beast of Bodmin Moor, a supposed ghost cat haunting the UK. They discuss various theories, from escaped circus pumas to the idea of the cat being a psychopomp guiding souls. With numerous sightings but no solid evidence, the mystery of the Beast continues to baffle and intrigue.


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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's beeniful, doesn't it. I have a encryptid ready.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yes, as long as it's not a sea monster.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
It is not a sea monster and it is not
a California Condor door neither one. There's no way this
could be a California Condor.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Perfect.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Oh so, all my listeners out there that didn't hear
the beginning of that, Apparently the spook spoke and we
had to go get coffee because they wanted us to
go get coffee, and they said we were tired, So
we went and got coffee, and now we're rocket. Do
you want to do an intro like a little spiff

(00:40):
for you on my show? A little advertising? Got anything
big coming up? Since everybody kind of knows who you
are by.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
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Speaker 1 (00:51):
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Speaker 2 (00:54):
In s Deeptember, I have the gosh, I'm so bad
at everything. The Cryptid Fest I think it's called. It's
in Massachusetts. They haven't it. They had it last year
and it was a complete blast. I think they also
went there. I didn't get a chance to go over
and talk to him. Where the something are? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Where the weird ones are?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah? See, I need this car didn't hit my brain.
I didn't get a chance to go over and meet
him because I had my table was so like just
people were common, so I didn't get to mingle as
much as I would. Yeah. No, it was a blast.
And they had the Bigfoot Banter with Richiev and a
whole bunch of other podcasters there. It was really fun. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
I love going to events. I got invited to one
and I can't go. I was so upsets in Maryland.
I'm like, that's like a twelve hours drive.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
I'm lame. I only go to the local ones.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I just they just reached down and invited me, and
I was like, ah, I was like I would if
it wasn't in freaking Maryland and it's on Halloween weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh that will be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
They bottom lip maybe next year.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Oh there's no way in hell and that's twelve hours. Yeah,
that'd be a heck of a trip.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Oh fun to do. What's in Wyoming?

Speaker 1 (02:13):
He used to live there. He's got stuff he's gonna
pick up. And they're chatty today, but he's got something
he's got to pick up. And it's a chance we're
gonna try to spend like a week down there. You're
up there over there.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
You're in Tennessee, aren't you? Mm hm oh? Where are you?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Indiana?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Okay? I don't know why. I thought you lived with
a bed. I was like, why don't you there now?

Speaker 1 (02:41):
So there's not a whole I mean, there's some in Indiana.
I feel like there's not as many big ones. I
hate reading notes sometimes in the rugged and granite based
landscape of Cornwall, England, bringing a bell. No, there lies
a beast that's growing in popularity. His laced with untaped tours,
open moorlands and muckey marshes. We're going to focus today, however,

(03:06):
on Bodmin More.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
No. I don't even know this one.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Really, Are you sure?

Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm sure?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Okay, all right? So a more is a patch of
open land located in upland areas. These areas are associated
with low growing grasses and moist mosses. I know you're welcome, people.
This mysterious more is said to be one of the
most haunted sites in the UK. Ooh yeah. Since the

(03:34):
oh my gosh Paleolithic era, man has encountered many beasts
that long to end their lives. One class coincidentally conformed
to conquer the world, one water filled cup at a time.
These rascals have been revered like royalty from Egyptian to

(03:54):
Muslim religions. Over time, big cats have gone from fredaceous
pussycats to Pet's parah around while plotting their next power play.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Okay, are you like a writing major? No, you're so
like Pet how you say things? Mine are so clunky
and you're just like the purple pie man. Everything's rhyming
and it's just beautiful.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Hey, I try, for I actually enjoy writing. It's always
been a strong suit. That's why I'm slowly but surely
putting together my poetry slam for my cryptids. I actually
got a few more done. So often send those too
you and see what you think. But yes, I try,
I try. These are all mine too. I just you
should hear the next one. The when you're on my

(04:38):
multi partyer coming up. It's gonna be fantastic now you
deserve it on this So, the feared feline we're focusing
on today is the barbaric brute. We're tackling beast of
Bodmin or the beast of bodmin More.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
So, it's a cat. Yes, yes, I want a ghost cat.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
So bad funny you should mention that. Let's get into it.
So the creature is thought to potentially be an extinct
species that used to roam Britain's territory back in the
bygone era. Some contemplate the big cat itself or it's
a nobody understands. So some contemplate that it's the big

(05:20):
cat itself, while others go as far as to say
it's a ghost Cat're be too funny? Is this float?
I just thought that. As soon as you said that,
I was like, please hold. So this supposed monster is
said to be a vicious phantom cat scouring the vast

(05:43):
space of the More in search of victims. The concept
of the phantom only gets applied here in this case
because the types of cats are not supposed to live
in the More. The jet blackbirds sporting doesn't do it
any justice either, So it's.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
A ghost cat that you can see.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Essentially, it's a big black cat.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Like how big?

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Because Mike, I get into it.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Other cat was really fat. I wonder if he qualifies.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Bigger than your house cat? Okay, much bigger than the
house cat after life, all right, so they're hanging on
then yeah, we're.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
My big black cat passed away.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
It was Samuel Whiskers who called him mister Whiskers.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Oh that is so cute. I love it. This one
is not a cute little kitty cat. This beast is
said to have white yellow eyes and appeared to be
a mix between a black panther and your run of
the mill domesticated cat. So big cat, I still want them,
I know. I want to pet the kiddy too. So

(06:53):
the rumors spread like wildfire in the late seventies and
early eighties, and as most legends in the world of
crypto as all did you go? It all started with
reports of livestock being slain and strewed across the landscape.
They started to surface and went in doubt. I'm acryptid.

(07:13):
Interestingly enough, at least sixty reported sightings of this beast
were on account from nineteen eighty three to nineteen ninety six.
However between Wow, that was interesting. I think my brain
had a seizure while I was writing this.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
I just soonned out when you were saying that how
many reportings were there in that time?

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, this one between nineteen eighty three and nineteen ninety six, or.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Sixty okay, so sixty over three years.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
But I think, oh, here we go. I think I
just forgot a zero. So between two thousand and two
thousand and eleven, there were upwards of two hundred reports
of the beasts, and the more.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
They reproduced them like crazy. So in thirteen saying them.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, in thirteen years, there's sixty reports. But then four
years later, in a span of another eleven years, there's
upwards of two hundred cases reported.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Oh wow, yeah, I thought you said three years the
first time, So two thousand and eleven, okay.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
And that basically evens out to about one report every
couple weeks. I got to go there, right, And none
of the reported sightings wielded any solid physical evidence. But
that being said, there were at least there was at
least some evidence produced between the norm the numerous encounters,

(08:41):
and these include, of course, the traditional blurry photo Gloria. Okay, fairly, Gloria. Okay,
we're taking note of Gloria. Hi, Gloria. So we have
blurry photos, unstable videos. Now, there was there were old

(09:02):
imported skulls, and what I'm trying to figure out is
do they mean the skulls were imported cats? And then
they died and they found the skulls or were the
skulls when they were imported? I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
I'm so confused by that. I know what imported skulls,
so they unless there were imported cats, but why would
you call it an imported cat? Yeah, I don't know. Now.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I think this might be explained later. I'm wondering if
it's going to be correlated with what happens later, so
maybe it'll explain itself. But I was very confused when
I was writing it, but I just wrote down what
it had, all right. Now here we go, speaking of
One of these skulls was found on July twenty fourth,

(09:55):
nineteen ninety five, and it was uncovered by a young boy.
This is an actual skull, like he reported. They picked
it up and took it and analyzed it, okay, And
it was four inches long which is ten point one
six centimeters you're welcome, people, and seven inches wide, which

(10:18):
is seven basically seventeen and three quarters centimeters. So we
have four inches long seven inches wide. So this is
a weird dimension.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
But that's not that big at all.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
No, But if you think about it, like the size
like a panther. Their skulls aren't that big either.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
But only four inches for a panther.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
But it's the noow isn't very long, but it's wide.
It's weird, but that's not the weirdest part.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Has all the skulls, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Yeah, but to me, the weirdest part was that it
had three very prominent and very sharp he nines, not
too three, which apparently is indicative of a leopard.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Oh yeah, And this particular skull was shipped off to
London's Natural History Museum and confirmed to have belonged to
a young male leopard.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
All right, so we're getting evidence, right, getting evidence sent off.
It's been confirmed by the museum. We're gonna be pretty good. Right. Well,
just when this was said to be evidence to debunk
the beast, Oh, we gotta get a visitor here, grab
We ain't grabbing nothing. Actually those my hair that I

(11:49):
was messing with. So anyway, so we have all these
saying it belongs we're thinking it's going to debunk the beast.
And it was confessed that the skull had been initially
imported as part of a rug, like a leopard skin rug. Okay,

(12:11):
and the suppose that debunketing evidence was that inside the
skull was an egg from some kind of tropical cockroach
that could not have come from Britain.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
So what was the whole purpose of all that?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
He finds the skull the kids like, holy shit, I
found it. He didn't realize. So he took it in
and then somebody I guess had tossed it or somebody
admitted that it was yeah, like that it was from
something else. And then they confirmed that because they found
a bug, part of a bug or something. Yeah, an egg.

(12:51):
So there's no way that this bug it's egg could
have gotten in the skull anywhere in Britain. It had
to come from somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
So now Britain has new cockroaches.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Let's hope that they squished the egg.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yes. Now.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
It also was reported to have marks on the skull
indicating that the meat had been cut off and not scavenged.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
The meat.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Such high hopes for this evidence. So again, nothing turned
in as evidence amounted to anything astonishing or anomalous. Rughead, rughead,
pussy cat, jeez, shelf, I know it's on the shelf.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
I could catch this cat. I'd be out there with
a box, some catnap.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
So you know, we're gonna need a bigger box.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Have you seen the videos of like leopards and tigers,
They all love boxes, no matter what size they are.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, exactly. I'm just saying, I'm just you get a
box and it's like you see the cat and you're like,
oh shit, crazy again. Hello. Yeah, I'm gonna put this
box in another box, and I put that box in
another box.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Put me on the case. I got it.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
None of the evidence kind of worked out, But in
nineteen ninety five, the amount of reports was so concerning
that the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food, which is
the m AFF, initiated an investigation into the Curious Kitty.
They set up cameras, traps, interrogated witnesses, inspected supposed pop prints,

(14:39):
but ultimately said there was not any viable evidence.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
They interrogated the witnesses.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yes, Oh my godness, thing's going crazy over here.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Every time I hear any ministry, I just go to
Harry Potter. That's exactly what.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I was thinking too. I was like, I almost wanted
to say it like that too, but I was like, Nah,
there wasn't any evidence that could prove that it was
a big cat, But it was also noted specifically that
they couldn't prove that it was not a big cat either,
So where they left that door open for debate?

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, and many.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Believe that the beast of Bodmin Moore was simply a
big cat that escaped the zoo or some irresponsible private
animal collector where the cat got too big they couldn't
take care of it, like a feline version of the
snakes in Florida.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
So did everybody describe the cat the same way? And
why is it called a ghost because nothing you've said
so far makes it seem like a ghost.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Well, it's there that it's not there. It's like a
dark thing that flies across or moves around. But they
all pretty much say the same thing. It's a big
black cat by big I'm guessing like a bobcat to
panther hmm. And if you're in the dark and you
just see this black mask going back and forth, it

(16:09):
would put on an appearance of, say, a ghost cat,
because not all ghosts or spirits portray themselves as like
a mist or an orb or whatever. You have shadow people,
Maybe it's a shadow cat that sounds like a really badass,
like that was a missed opportunity from the ThunderCats.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Shadow Cat, that shadow Cat.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
That would be awesome. I want to dress up as
a shadow Cat. But this claim has been substantiated by
a British circus worker named Mary Chipperfield. I love that sound,
I know right. Mary Chipperfield had an announcement in the
nineteen seventies that the circus had released three pumas into

(16:54):
the wild.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Oh ironic, huh?

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Were they nail? Female?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Is?

Speaker 1 (17:01):
That's a thing? It doesn't say? I was getting ready
to say nothing said gender. Oh my god. The light
went up and he goes list stop it. I'm not kidding.
The light went up and I heard and I'll go
over and that's the word that's on it. Yeah, Hi, liss.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Your ghost. He's always want to talk to me.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Now like hey, but if it makes you feel any better,
they have been chatty Kathy's and going bananas all day,
like all night.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
They've been going as long as they're not saying anything.
I remember right after when I told you that I
watched Not the Old Man, one of those spooky movies
I watched, and then it just kept talking about Satanic.
I was like, no stomach.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Don't earlier satanic.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Sorry, that is not very nice.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
So my guess I don't know if this is going
to go on before or after, so either make sure
you listen to or go back and listen to the
one I did with Tony my patron, because he had
a spirit like ah his goodies, like in his sleep,
like he thought it was his wife. It was really funny.
So then the thing said Brenda on the app and

(18:17):
so I was like, oh, it's balls at Brenda.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
But anyway, so we're like, right, this one is a shorty,
but it's okay. Now again, she just said that they
released three pumas into the wild. We don't know gender,
we don't know age, we don't know anything. But ironically,
this is around the exact same time that the first
sighting of the bodmin More beast happened.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yeah, so that's more than coincidence.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
And there's one more theory that I had to save
for last.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Okay, I just wanted to look up how long to live?
Second a good question because it was over decades that
people were saying it eight to thirteen years. That wouldn't
make sense unless they have kids. If there was a
female in a man exactly.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
That's what I and my thing is. They released pumas,
but they said it's black. But what if there's other cats.
What if they're mixing because a puma is tan or brown? Yeah,
cream colored? Oh unless the puma got in the cage

(19:38):
with the panther and they exiled it from the circus.
This is always some kind of dramatic cartoon for Disney.
This is like almost Dumbo fucked up. That movie was
so bad.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Oh, it's so terrible.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
When you go back and watch it as an adult,
you're like, this is awful, Like, how did I enjoy
with this as a kid.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, I really like Dumbo, and I'm gonna get so
much hate for this. I never liked The Lion King
and everyone hates that.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
I say that it was okay. I was more. I
don't know. I liked Aladdin.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Aladdin was good. The Little Mermaid was my favorite.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Oh yeah, of course I like The Little Mermaid. That
was always And when you think about it, when you
go for you're like, dude, these kids are like fourteen, sixteen, seventeen,
Like they're not even adults. M Like, it's just jacked up.
It's just this strong. Yeah, but all right, the last

(20:45):
theory is the best theory. Some naysayers even tried to
chalk it up to a sheep with feline appearance, a
freaking sheep.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
With feline appearance.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, how do you get a big cat out of
a sheep?

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Maybe if it was shaved, but even then it's you wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Nothing nothing about this makes any sense. And I thought
it was awesome.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yeah that's a weird one.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, I just like, how on earth could you mistake
a sheep for a big cat? It doesn't even have
it doesn't have a tail.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, nothing's having such distinct movements.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Exactly with a feline appearance. Not even their ears are
the same. Nothing about a sheep unless it's a black
sheep or it's shaved. Maybe a color if you're you
got glaucoma or something.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Or were there are a lot of fumes in these
areas where exciting has happened.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
It's just it doesn't make any sense. Is this please continue?
And our light goes off?

Speaker 2 (22:12):
We're going that stinks though, So it was probably just
from the circus. I was hoping it was real ghost
cat out there.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
My thing is, what if because they don't live that
long what if it was a puma or pumas that
got released and then they died and all the residual
horrible energy from them being abused in the circus turned
them into a ghost cat.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
All right, I'm on board with that one.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Is this please stop?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
He's like you stretched it too far. Just stop.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
No girl, not even clothes.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
But thank you for trying to give me what I wanted.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
You're welcome. My biggest thing is that probably, like I said,
I think the ghost cat theory comes from when they
see it. It's either dark out or they're seeing the
shadow if it's in the right. But you got I
think too. These are big open spaces. It's not like

(23:12):
there's a lot of trees. Because that's what it said.
I even made sure to put the definition in here.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, when you said mores, I think of the Moors murders.
I don't know if you're.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Maybe maybe that's why I was thinking that you did,
because remember you did something with Moors.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
I didn't do that one. You didn't do that one
because that one's so bad. It's so many kids involved
in stuff. I haven't I have to hype myself up
to do that one.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Because let's see, here, low growing grass, so it's not
even like real grassy. It's not like you, oh I
see the back of the cat like or something. It's
low growing grass and moist mosses.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Maybe because it's so like out there and far away,
they're seeing it from a very far distance. Oh, then
you'd see that movement, you could tell. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Well, that's a good point though on this is maybe
it they thought it was a big cat because it
was so far away. Maybe they couldn't differentiate.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
And it was just a host cat. That's so good.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
But I just so, what do you think? Do you
think it's just a big cat, like just a puma.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
I think it is, but I wish it was something else.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Between nineteen eighty three and twenty eleven, that's a long time, and.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
They never said like small, no sightings of babies. They
were all the same size.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
You said, It just said that they all are reported
to be about the size of a house cat and
a panther.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Ish a host cat and a panther. Yeah, So maybe
that's when they were like a mix between oh, a
mix between. Okay. I thought it meant that they were
reporting some host cat size and some panther size.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Oh no, it just but like it looked like a
mix between a house cat and a panther. So I'm
guessing one of those ones a servile or something that's
maybe it's like that only all black. Do they make
servals that are all black?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
They haven't seen. I don't know that they don't have them.
But they have those big things too.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, they do kind of look like a jaguar. Yeah,
I wonder if they had the same weird canine. Think
I didn't even know jaguars supposedly have three canines.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
I'm looking to see if they have black circles real quick.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, I say, maybe that's it, But I feel like
still a servile wouldn't be big enough in my opinion
to be a mix between a panther.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Black cervile refers to a melanistic servile, a rare color
variation of African wildcat species. So I guess it can happen.
It's just rare, and it's the thing in between the two.
This thing is so cute.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
I know, I'm just picturing it. I knew somebody who
had one and it was beautiful and it was a black.
But but aren't they supposed to be like aggressive.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
They are you get my cat? She just pushed through
the door.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
It's like you said, cat, you rang.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, they'll jump up. If you're cooking and it's a
serval and you have a piece of chicken on it,
they'll just grab it and run and they'll fight you
for it. They won't give it back, raw chicken. They'll
just go damn down on it.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Now. I have heard cases of people that think it's
a ghost cat.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yes, have you not heard of those that think this
ghost is a ghost cat?

Speaker 1 (26:47):
No? That people just report having a ghost cat like
it rubs it and I've had I've been walking and
it feels like my cat is like rubbing up against
my leg, but I look down there's nothing there.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
I've heard so many people say things like that, I
want one, you want a ghost cat? I want my
old cat to come back as a ghost and be here.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
I was gonna say, maybe throwing cold stunner.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I took a turn.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
How do you get a ghost cat? Maybe there's some
kind of like ritual you could do to bring back
an animal. But then a guy's like, we're flirting with
pet cemetery. This is vengeful. Even the ghosts are like,
I wouldn't do that if I were you.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, that's been done in movies too many times. I'm
not playing with that.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Maybe if you don't use a carcass you just want
the spirit to come back, not that you want the
cat to come back. Maybe that's different.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
And then I'll be here in like these invisible zoomies
all night.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
You randomly have cups of water flying all over the house.
Everything's falling off the ball. It's like due just slids
it off.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Oh my old cat, the one that passed away with
such an asshole. If there was stuff on the table,
he just lay in the middle. Everything would just go
fly in it.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
You're saying, there's probably no way it's actually a ghost cat.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
No, but I wish it was not enough to make
it seem like it's anything other than either escape animals
from the circus or it wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
If it's a ghost cat, there wouldn't leave any evidence,
see what I'm saying. If it's a ghost cat and
not a cryptid, there wouldn't be any evidence.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
So you think it's what the circus cats that passed
away and now haunt that area, Well, I'm.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Just thinking it might be. It might be a ghost cat.
I was just trying to tie in the circus. It
would give it a reason to be spiteful. But they
do say, like I said, it's reported as being like
one of the most haunted areas. What if it's not
a cat at all. What if it's a baby hell hound,

(29:03):
a hell puppy.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
But I mean the area is haunted by these animals
alone or other things supposedly.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
It's like it says the mysterious more is on the
list of most haunted places in the UK. It doesn't
specify animals non animals. It just says that space is
conned af Now, okay, here we go, Here we go,
here we go. So they say in Egyptian in their

(29:35):
in their belief system, that cats usher you to the afterlife.
Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (29:43):
What if they're seeing this ghost cat and all it's
doing is it's just hauling people back and forth. What
if it is that cat and you're just catching a
glimpse of it before it goes into the afterlife portion.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
The grim Reaper cat.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, and the grim Reaper kills Wait, it doesn't actually
kill people, does it doesn't? So I think he just
he's like, he's just like waiting for the soul to
be there.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Like one of those to bring it. And cats, I
think are in a bunch of different They are mythology
and stuff. They usher you. So maybe that is I mean,
you have everything.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
From like I said, the Muslim the Egyptians. There's even
remember when we did our very first episode, we did
Griela and the mule Ads and they had the mule cat. Yep,
there's cat's galore.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
So maybe it's a psychopomp, one of those ones that
ushers you like you said.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah, And maybe they're just catching it as like it's
not meaning to be. It doesn't even realize it's being caught.
But that wouldn't explain because wouldn't you assume that then
they would see if it is hot? Okay, okay, hold on,
hold on, I'll just say they'd be seeing people with it.
But if it's labeled as one of the most haunted
places in the UK, what if they are seeing spirits

(31:03):
and there's so many spirits because that is a pathway
that this cat is using to haul people back and forth.
I like that that rainbow bridge is as guard. What
if it is what if there is a path What
if they can only travel on paths, and that's why
they need a guide, because if you don't make it
to the path, you just wander. Yeah, visit. So what

(31:24):
if these guides are getting them on track, and that's
why they see so many ghosts in the area, is
because they're guiding all these spirits to where they need
to go. I like that, see, and you don't have
to strangle your cat.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Good news.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Now here's the question, can you catch one?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I could get me out there with a box and
the tuna and some string. I have to get my
little pack together and I can get out there. I'll
get one.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
I just see you. It looks like you got kicked
out of the office when you got your little box
carry your crap from your desk out And it's got
like one of those cat toys, a little feather on
it and a little container tuna, and actually you need
a big container tuna.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Put some string on it, and I'm going cat fishing.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, I'm going cat. My kids used to say that
I'm fishing for cats. Oh my gosh. But that is
I mean, it's a totally out there theory, but it
makes sense. And then it's what if some of these
other animals because people see spirit almos all the time.

(32:38):
What if they all have the same job.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
They may, but I do remember her cats being super
associated with it.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
What if they all have different jobs, like they're all
spirit animals, but the cat is the one that leads
you in the afterlife. But then some people see like
a horse and maybe that means something else or the
guide to point you in, like you're lost and you
need directions, and you see this like bird, I'm not

(33:08):
going there. I'm not going there.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
I believe more that cats. It's not a California condor.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Nope, but I believe it. I didn't go there.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
I believe cats could be the guide more because if
you have a at at home and there's a spirit,
your cat will look in that corner if there's something funny,
like they sense it and they see it. They're definitely
very connected to the afterlife.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
What I'm saying, what if like different animals, different spirit
animals have different jobs, Like the cat is to lead
you into the afterlife, and maybe, like I said, a
bird would give you directions or a horse would lead you,
would lead you to water. It's a little backwards, but
maybe and then like hell hounds, they go fetch souls

(33:58):
that don't want to come.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
M how would the cat bring the information to him?
Do they get along in the afterlife?

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Maybe they have different that's why one fetches in one
guide so it doesn't have to go get it. They
just oh, you're trying to find the right place here,
let me help you.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
They just leave a note on his desk. You have
to go through this because they won't talk to each other.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
What if? What if the cat is the one guiding
the souls into the afterlife and the hell hounds are
hunting down demons that escape.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
That's spooky and I like it.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I like it too. I can't come over with all
we want to get into this. I really need to
do an episode on hell I really do. But I
don't think they go up for every human being. Maybe
it's just certain types.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
And cats, didn't they always they have this thing about
being near people, like if they have if they're going
to pass, or they have this healing ability like no,
that really has to do with the afterlife. But so
what I've heard.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I was actually just thinking about this the other day
and my cat was laying on me, and certainly thank you.
They say something about when the cat purrs. That vibration
that it has when it purrs, that's what does whatever
healing needs to happen. I've heard that about the vibration.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Yeah, and I've heard in the past, like way back,
they'd use bells a lot to heal people, like by
ringing them, and the vibration of that would. I don't
know why that's gone or I don't even know if
it actually worked.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
I don't know. At next time we get a cold,
hopefully not for a long time, a very long time, yes,
as I work in the hospital. So we'll see how
that goes.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
We'll go to the liberty bell. Just bring it again.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Wait it doesn't even still ring, right, I don't think so.
I don't think so. I'll just have a whole bunch.
I have a witch bell.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
All right.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
I don't know if that's gonna work. As long as
it doesn't summon a demon in me, we're all right. Yes,
But yeah, I've heard that. And then now I have
heard that the cats generally are closer to people because
you gotta think, generally, if they're sick, they have a fever,
so they're warm. So either they're an old person covered
in a shit ton of blankies, or you have a

(36:25):
fever and your body is physically warmer. And what do
cats like? They like heat where they lay in the
sun like psychopaths. So they're just naturally drawn to whatever's warmer.
And so if you if you're temperature, it says it's
thrill into consciousness. Thank you. If you're warmer, they're gonna
be more apt to go lay on you because you're warm.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
But you don't think it's sensing as well.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
I would say no, just because if that was the case,
then they would never lay on anyone unless they were
gett ready to die.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Sometimes they want to be pet.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Mind o't a little one sometimes now, But I just
feel like if it was out of the ordinary, yes,
I would make sense. But I know cats sit on
old people's laps all the time or whatever and they're fine.
It's just what the cat does. I think a lot

(37:26):
of people. I think it's one of those things where
people see it because they want to see it, like
correlation not causation. Yep, I just got really scientific. I'm
not even drunk. I feel like that's kind of it's
like you see what you want to see. So I

(37:51):
don't know now if they just never did that, and
then they did. That's one thing, but they do and
sometimes too. I wonder is it spirits or is it
a bug that we can't see.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
That they're looking at.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, I don't know. My cat's going after something that
I thought was invisible. I was like, dude, she's going
she's chasing something and I can't fucking see it. And
then she finally stopped and I was able to look
at it was like a little teet, tiny little bug.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
IM hopes the cats are very perceptual.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
I think that they probably are. I just it's to me,
there's so many other things that it could be that
it's harder for me now. My dog's on the other hand,
they're not the sharpest tools in the shed always. And
I have a I don't know if I still have
it somewhere, but I had a video on my security camera,
like in my house and my little Yeah, my little

(38:45):
dog was staring at a wall, just going batshit and
he doesn't bark at anything like ever, and he was
freaking out and jumping all over the trying to get
away from it. But it was it says I'm from here,
but it was in the walkway, so he couldn't get out,
like he was too scared to go the same way
he's gone a billion times, and he kept looking at

(39:07):
it and just growling and barking, and then he was
trying to jump off the back of the couch to
get around it. You know, they had to go pick
him up to move him. And to me, that's abnormal
because he doesn't do that.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
The video you showed me, it was like your dog
was going crazy and then like an orb went by.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Oh yeah, they do kind of get a little craik cray.
And then I had one where the cat was on
the floor and then it turned, because you're right, So
I did have one where my cat's sitting in the
middle of the floor and then it turns and it
looks up at the ceiling and then something drops from
the ceiling and it's you can tell, it's like on
the wall. It's not like it drops in front of
the cat, but it runs down the wall and then

(39:50):
stands there and the cat gets freaked out and runs off.
So something was standing there.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
See cats see stuff, but they're assholes, so they're not
always going to do it anything.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
She's all yours. We don't give a go for it
she didn't feed us enough.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
They do what they want.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, but okay, apparently was sacrificing again. That's really weird.
My heart feels like it's beating funny, that's weird. It
has this, it does this like flutter thing lately. I
don't know what my problem is.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Probably drinking all this caffeine this late isn't a good idea.
And if your heart's fluttering.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
I ain't dead yet, okay, but I don't know. I
feel like it is more likely a ghost cat than
a cryptid.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Well I want it to be that swallow agree.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
But yeah, that's what I have on the beast at
bottomin More.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
That's really good. I like it a lot.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
I just think it's funny because I did not know
anything about you wanting a ghost cat, and then here
I brought you a ghost cat.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Thank you? Making Yeah, thank you, all your truths come true.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
That's what I'm good at. What can I say? Ah?
So what do you think? Get anything? Dad? No?

Speaker 2 (41:11):
I loved it. This was such a good story.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
So yeah, that's one that I've been wanting to do
for a little bit. And I finally got it done
and I was like, oh timely, Yeah, I know I
got done timely fashion. Thank you O late. I know
it's like I know.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Your ghosties are so talkative today.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
All right, I guess we'll wrap this one up and
then we can have a little chat afterwards, all right,
think you get missless for being on the everybody we'll
see it.
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