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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (01:04):
Hope See Soon.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Is miss list from outros out a ghosts. She's back
on with us. We are getting ready to go on
a trip on the podcast, or a podcast trip, not
an actual trip, although that would be fantastic.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
It's still a lot cheaper though.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Get ready because it's gonna be at least a three
part I think it's gonna be stuck to three part.
But the way I broke it up is one incident
for part one, one incident for part two, and then
we're going to handle the investigation and the man behind
the curtain, so to speak, in the last part. So
I wanted to get everything on here and get going.
So in the beginning, that's funny, I just went biblical.
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Is there anything you've got going on or any upcoming
stuff happening?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I wanted to give an opportunity for you to throw
that out there. No, I'm lame, No, I'm lame. I'm lame. Actually,
you might be retiring, right maybe, Okay, you might be.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Retiring from your current position possibly, Yeah, okay, so there's
something to look forward to.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, you might be retiring. I'm starting a new job
and I have seen some shit already.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
How are you liking that? Turning into a nocturnal animal.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Me being the true vampire that I am.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I literally did not miss a beat the moment I
switched my schedule. I've had no problem staying up all night,
and I have actually been able to sleep at least
a solid If I wake up, it's once usually, but
I'm getting like eight hours of solid sleep, So it
is working miracles for my mental health. It is stressful
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and a little fast paced sometimes. I walked in on
a leg laceration last night, and I knew the woman.
It was listed as a leg laceration. I knew, but
I didn't know how far or how bad or whatever.
And so I walk into the room and I saw
the insides of this lady's leg and I'm like who.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I was like, I literally op the door.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I was like whoa, And I was like, oh sorry,
I was not because it's like right there in front
of my face, Like it wasn't like.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I could have just avoided it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
So then I'm like trying to ask questions and not
stare at the leg. But I did not throw up,
but I did not pass out, all right.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Two points for me.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
But yeah, we've seen some doozies, but people, I'm just
gonna say this now listeners out there, for the love
of God, if you do not have an actual emergency,
do not go to the emergency room. If you, I
don't know, have the sniffles, you got a tummy ache,
you know your cat bit you? I shit you not
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your cat bit. You You got bit by a tick
the same day, not like you had symptoms that it
might be lime disease. Literally, you just got bit. There's
no way in hell that you would even know or
that you could even be tested for anything. Please, for
the love of God, just don't go to the emergency room.
Call your actual doctor. And if you don't have one,
get one. And if you're go to the emergency because
you don't have insurance, get over yourself and get insurance.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Okay, just say it. Disclaimer, But anyway, any hoosles.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I'm super excited because the last multipart that we did
was the Tokloshi.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yes, that was so fun.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Oh my gosh, absolute blast. I still can't get over
the suitcases. Every time I see a suitcase now I
think a Tokoloshi's going to pop out and I chuckle
and nobody knows why I'm laughing.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Just whip one over his shoulder.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, exactly, And this time our multipart is UFO based
UAP whatever. At the time this happened, they were still UFOs.
So we're going UFO because it was not coined UAP yet.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, but we don't want to offend any UFOs out there.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, at me, I am fully aware that I don't
want anybody be like the UAP whatever. From BC era
to current day, UFO encounters have been reported and documented,
which we all know, right, everything from hieroglyphs to every
there's all kinds of stuff throughout history. As far as
we've been able to document, we've documented weird shit. But
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in the nineteen forties we began to see an uptick
in accounts from the Battle of La which I covered
previously a long time ago, numerous encounters from the Air
Force fight fighter pilots to the infamous Roswell incident. So
these are some that I just pointed out to just
they're big ones that most people can account for. Not
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only are we talking about UFOs, we are specifically talking
about the stuff that surrounded the whole coining of the
term swamp gas. Okay, which shameless plug. I have a
shirt on my store. It's on tea public and it's
on my Squarespace store that is specifically made for this purpose.
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That it was actually my second I think my second
design I ever made for the first or second and
it literally has a gas mask and it she says,
it's just swamp gas.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
So this has been a long time coming. And I
was wearing the T shirt and was like, you know what,
we're gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
And then I found out.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
There's a whole lot more to it than I remembered.
But anyway, forties we got this going on. Then in
the fifties there were tons of accounts from the Lubbock Lights,
the event in Washington, d c. Cigar Shaped Crafts in Loveland,
the okay here we go Antonio Villa Boes account, which
I also covered in a previous episode, all right, and
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a crowd favorite the Flatwoods Monster.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Oh I know that one that will be.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Making a landing on the pod at a later date, Yes,
which I like to throw that one out because so
many people love it and I feel like it's just
recently gotten some traction. I don't think it used to
be as pop as it is like recently. I'd say
the last what five ten years. People are really hitting
heavy on the flat with monster.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Now dress, how can you not?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
But is it a dress?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
The outfit? How about that? Whether it's uniform or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Either way up for debate later time. Either way.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
During these times, the government gaslighted citizens by claiming their
accounts were simply caused by misidentifications of weather balloons, diabetes,
mass hysteria, or pretty much anything else.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Diabetes, I yes, never heard of that one. I don't
know that much about aliens at all, though I am, okay,
such like an alien novice.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Okay, it's sightings in general. That a lot of times,
whether it's creatures or UFOs or aliens or ghosts or whatever,
A big thing that people see is do they have diabetes?
Like they're having some kind of reaction to either too
much or not enough sugar and they're hallucinating.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Okay, thing low sugar ate equals of green dressed. All right,
here we go.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Oh my gosh, This lady came in and I felt
so bad because I couldn't think of the stupid word.
And they said that her sugar was high. My brain
instead of thinking hyperglycemia, my brain put sugar high.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
The lady came in for a sugar high.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I was like, oh my gosh, nice Natasha.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
The lady training was like, did she eat too much candy?
Or what the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I was like, oh my god, it was pretty funny. Now.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
The swamp gas excuse was added to the government's utility
belt after spat of UFO sightings that took place on
March twentieth, then March twenty first in nineteen sixty six,
and the small towns of Dexter and Hillsdale, Michigan, respectively.
We're touching base on a few little ones, but these
are gonna be the two major one that we talk
about this week. This week's one, next week is the other.
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So we're gonna get started out of the two with
a quaint town of Dexter, nestled up in Washingtonaw County,
found in northwest of ann Arbor. I am horrible with directions.
I have no idea where that is. I just know
that's what it is, and it sounded like a good
directional reference. If anybody knows what that means. I could
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done navigate my way out of a wet paper bag, so.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It means nothing to me. But now you guys know
where we are. If you know what's going on, you
can at least google it and fight it. So again. Dexter, Michigan.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Okay, the mid sixties were simpler times when portions of
landscape still remained untainted by industrial iron fist. Dexter consisted
of primarily farmland and wet marshes full of subspecies of squirrels, turtles, ducks,
bald eagles, and frogs. Just to give you an idea,
we all can picture that, I think being a Midwesterner,
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we can.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
All picture that. I guess not everybody can.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
But although there was a vast amount of lush marshlands
in the area, and other parts of the landscape you
could find rows and rows of cornstocks dancing in the breeze.
With a population that didn't quite reach two thousand, much
of the human interaction took place around main Street during
the daylight hours. Which this is starting to sound an
awful lot like my town.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
It sounds like a horror movie so far, Like.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I'm like sweet Home and you're like Heaven. Children of
the corn.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
That's been exactly what I'm just gonna say.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I grew up right next to a cornfield. We alternate
every year we're not gonna get to the technicalities, but
essentially every other year was corn and then the field
on the other side of the road was on the
opposite so at all times I had cornfield on one
side of my house, like big cornfields. So it always
creaked me out. I just couldn't watch the movies the
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whole way through because it freaked me out. I have
also been chased out of a fence by a bull
that we know was out.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Oh my god. Yeah, we thought the bull.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Was up and we were somewhere doing something we were
supposed to doing. We were just kids goofing around and
we just thought it was just gonna be regular cows.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
We go in.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And we got met with a very big surprise. I
found out how fast I really was that day.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
What a good exercise routine, give notice and up, we.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Can put it all together.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
You get up, you try to ride the pig. You
gotta escape from the big pig. Then for lunch, you
know you gotta get that afternoon exercise.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
You go out, you get chased by a bull. Camp
Natty's Booty Camp.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, oh my gosh, that is too accurate and too funny.
I'm pretty sure you're gonna find out real quick that
there's a bit of a difference. Like I said, lots
of farm land for anybody who is not from an
area where farming.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Is a huge thing.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Typically the fields are large, there are lots of them,
and the houses are generally pretty spread out. And then
you usually have a tep a quote unquote town I guess,
which is essentially a strip of your grocery store, your
gas state. I don't know what they had all back then,
but right currently you basically got fast food, gas station,
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grocery store, probably a wal Mart, let's be honest, or
a or a Dollar General, and you essentially have that
main drag and then maybe some businesses like a block
or so on either side. And that's pretty much the
extent of the town. However, the easy going, sleepy town
aura was shattered on the night that would go down
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in Ufo history, which was March twentieth of nineteen sixty six.
At the heart of the encounter we find local farmer
and Korean War veteran Frank Manor, his lovely wife Leona
Uh and their teenage son Ronald.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Ronald. That's it right.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Their farm was cozied up between the woodland and swampy
terrain of the Lowlands.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
This is what I'm picturing.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Small town family like most in my own sleepy town
on a typical Sunday evening. Frank still in his bib overall,
his feet kicked up on the coffee table, hat pulled
over his sleepy eyes, the schedule of tomorrow's chores running
through his mind as he just tries to relax. Leona
continuing to rock that flattering hand tailor dress depicted on
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most mainstream medias of a housewife. She meets pinup style,
still cleaning up the dining room and doing the dishes
following the home cooked meal that she likely spent hours preparing.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
And got no appreciation for.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Right yep, Ronald, I'm assuming sitting at his desk lamp on.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I'm picturing him as a type.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
He's got his nose in a good comic book. Comic
books are just coming out. He's a teenage boy, prime
opportunity there to just do his teenage thing in his room.
It's late, he's not doing. His chores are probably already done.
Homer's already done. Whatever they've got going on. I'm assuming
they have the TV in the background for noise. Since
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there's not much going on in a rural community as
of yet. But at around eight thirty, the family's six
fur alarms started barking, drawing the family towards the window.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
To see what the fuss was about.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Frank and his son saw a red glow zip across
the sky like a shooting star, reaching its destination above
a swampy area just north of the home. Even more
discerning was that the flashing lights flickered even after it
came to a halt. The curious craft was reported to
portray pulsating lights, which some accounts report green and red
radiating lights, while other was more white and red pattern.
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We've got these flashing lights going on, and like most
of us, the family was more curious about the strange
light that heard above the nearby marshy area. So the boys,
the man Dad Frank, and son Ronald, initiated investigation protocol,
leaving the mother alone inside the house typical.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Patriarchal form.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Cleaning Yeah, threw the yeah, get in there, staying there,
clean woman. We're gonna go investigate because we're the men
of the house. But both men stood in disbelief as
they watched the craft sit back and forth behind the
trees and brush before it shot up about five hundred feet,
which is right about one hundred and fifty two and
a half meters.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You're welcome of the ground before just descending. So it's
zipping around.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
It goes up, it comes down while getting closer to
the swampy landing zone. A pair of small legs protruded
from the bottom, preparing for landing if necessary. Not like
people leggs or species legs. It's literally you have object.
It starts to descend and two little legs like landing gears.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Okay, he was Fred Flintstone in it, Like that's what
I was picturing. It's two little alien legs. Pop it
out like all right, we gotta stie.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You gotta run slow, like extraterrestrial kickstands. Essentially.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
It was then that Frank and his son saw a
football or oval shaped saucer about the size of a
car at the time, which again, cars back then were
much larger than the compact ones we have today. So
when I say size of a car, don't think smart car,
Think like an actual classic vintage.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Car, a real car. People are gonna be hating me.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
It's okay, But so this huge thing about the size
of Like I said, large car is hovering just above
the swampscape of their property. There's a drawing associated with
the event that shows a dome atop the automated astral
object courtesy of Officer David Severance, I love a artiste.
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There also looks to be lights on both ends of
the shape, and one larger light fixed in the middle.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I just sent you a text of.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
The drawing, all right, So, like I said, we've got
football shape. It's got a dome on the top. It
looks like it's got lights on both points and then
one in the middle, and then the two what they
have labeled and the thing is antennas that come down,
all right. The pair dashed inside to grab their handy
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dandy flashlights to guide their way to the mysterious machine
and the ship. Once they got close enough was said
to wild a waffle light grid texture on the surface.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So this gave the exterior of the.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Object a very quilted look, which I'll try to remember
to put the photo in, like maybe as something somewhere.
I'll post it on social media if I can remember
to look it up. But if I don't, just google
nine teen sixty six Michigan ufo in Google and it
images and you will see it. It basically looks like
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a checkered ufo.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, it looks like an eyeball almost.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
It does.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
So that's what I was thinking too when I first thought,
I was like, oh, like a giant eye in the sky.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Ooh, conspiracy theory.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I'm trying to read. I'm just trying to read what
he wrote underneath it after the sightings the witness or
is that what you just read?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
No, go ahead, I got to put that in there.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
The witnesses put together this composite drawing at the I'm
not some Sharon All headquarters showing the lights, surface and antenna.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Everybody referred to it as quilted, and I kept the
inn of bounty that quilted quicker picker up her.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
They do say a low humming could be heard as
they approached the so from a.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Distance, nobody heard anything, but as they.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Approached the craft, they were able to hear a low
humming noise, and just as suddenly as it appeared, the
lights turned off and the vessel vanished into thin air,
just poof gone. After witnessing the strange event, Frank went
inside and phoned the local police to report what they
had seen. Having little crime in the small town of Dexter,
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Washtenaw County Sheriff Douglas J. Harvey picked up the phone,
likely expecting a noise complaint or typical petty crime, maybe
somebody tipped my cow or something. Unlike many extraterrestrial encounters,
Harvey did not mock or disregard the report, but rather
showed up full force, ready to search the property for
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possible imposters.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Oh wow for him.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
One thing that helped the family with their authenticity was
that officers on duty that same night had reported strange
happenings during their patrols as well. On one hand, kudos
to mister Harvey, but he had already been getting a
bit to reports from fellow officers, so it set him up,
I think to be more accepting. Either way, he accepted it,
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and kudos to that because that does not happen in
the world of UFO sidings.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
And you said that it went up, I just like advanished.
They didn't see it go up to the side anything else.
They just saw lights go out and gone Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
So that's what I found as far the account goes. Now,
I don't know one how close they got. I don't
know how close they got to the craft. It's dark again.
Rural community at night.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Say that word rural. That's so hard for me to say.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
That's because I'm not from I'm not from your state.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Rural.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
It just I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
It's it's like you have tost bark to say it.
I hate that word so much.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Then the family reports it.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Then officers from Monroe County, Livingston County, and even a
place called Sylvania, Ohio documented reports of quote red green
objects moving at a fantastic speed.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Same night.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Is there military bases anywhere you're near? This?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Good question? Let me see here.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I'll just listen to the whole thing first, so I can't.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Okay, well we'll come back. We'll come back to that.
So for everybody out there, I don't know, just I
am pleading ignorance. But also it was the sixties, so
I don't know how airplanes even functioned. Then it's up
in the air, depending on what you believe.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I see what you did there.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
What's funny is I did not mean to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Oops.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Natasha is so punny. Yeah, I'm the funniest person I know.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Who are you kidding.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
But what I thought was interesting was one sheriff deputy
went on the record stating that whatever he had witnessed
that evening was quote the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
End quote. Now granted, trust me, if you're from a
small in the sixties, probably was a little bit more chill. Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
There's not a whole lot going on, so really anything
out of the ordinary is pretty strange.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
But this is, like I said.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
He was a little concerned and said that it was
the weirdest thing he'd ever seen. A band of officers
scoured through the mud and muck of the swamp in
search of the add anomaly or evidence thereof. As you
could probably guess, nothing concrete was found in the foliage
for the norm The only bit of potentially convincing evidence
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was depressed grass in a circular pattern above, where Frank
and his son claimed to have seen the craft lower
and hover.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Other than that, nothing now big.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Of our circumference are we talking?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It didn't tell me because if it was like a.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Huge spaceship size, that's pretty interest.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
The craft is only the size of a car. This
is not a huge mothership coming down, that's true, But
even still depending on how it is propelling itself, if
there's any wind or anything, the circle would in theory
be larger than the craft itself. This's the size of
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a car, and it says saucer shaped. But I didn't
see any accounts where it turned up at all, like
on its side, to show that it was actually round.
They just saw it from the side if the literally
the top was top and the bottom was bottom, and
it looked like a football, So I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Know what the backside looked like or what the.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Oh my gosh, anterior posterior view, Oh my god, wow,
all right, but the upper body inferior, Yeah, inferior, superior.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
So basically it's a two D, two dimensional thing that
they saw.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
That's all we have a rendering of.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
There's nothing that anybody said that I was able to
find in this account where it had turned either direction.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
It was just simply zip up, down, hover, disappear, comeo.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
But I guess essentially we'll just assume that it's circular
because there was a circular bit of grass that had
been pushed down in the area. Now we could speculate
a whole bunch of oh did somebody put it there?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Did somebody not put it there.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
But as far as I'm understanding, the response time was
pretty quick. So if somebody were to put this down
in the exact same spot that these men saw this,
that's a lot of hubbub, because it's not like the
boys were standing out there. It was they go out,
they see the thing, and they're like, son of a bitch,
they actually did They.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Called before.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I thought, you said, they called after. I mean, they
must be crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
That's that's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
But it's not like they were just like waiting around
for five hours.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Trust me, again, small tap.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Depending on how far out of town we're talking, probably
twenty thirty minutes max, I would assume. But to get
something at that time, to put that mark in, to
even think about needing to put that in, is pretty
crazy in my thought, because it's not like today where
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we've had like damn near one hundred years of stuff
going on and knowing how things work or having theories
about how things work. It was all pretty new, so
I don't think they would have had the wherewithal to
think to fake anything if even if.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
They wanted to. I don't think they would have even
put that together.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, but during the next three hours, as the searchers underway,
around fifty more sightings in total were reported. Oh wow, yeah,
and this is just one night. So by the next eve,
reporters swarmed the Manners, one simple and quiet piece of property,
conducting interviews and demanding to see the exact landing location
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of the local mystery. They also questioned the sheriff, trying
to poke holes in the Manner's story, but to their surprise,
Harvey stood firm on his trust in the local residence
and his subordinates, as he confidently responded, quote, these people
have seen something I know. I trust my men, and
I trust their reports. I don't know what it is,
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but I'm sure they have seen something aloft end quote.
So he didn't back down, he didn't swamp gas, he
didn't do any of that. He was I am telling
you all these people are saying the exact same thing,
and they're not close to each other necessarily. My men
are telling me, and I trust my deputies and officers
(27:08):
and all of that, And to me, that says a
lot that he's not backing down. He's I am telling you,
like these guys would not make this up something And
he does claim I don't know what it was, but
they saw something, so kudos to them on that one too.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
So all the reports were just lights or other people
claim to have seen ships as well. So yeah, sorry, yeah,
I in the sky.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I want to say that the most with this particular
one with the craft was they saw the craft. It
was on their property. They saw it. It was right there.
And again rural community, they're not going to be that close,
so especially at night, no streetlights are no street lamps
(28:00):
are out there, there's no lights out there, like they
had to go get a flashlight to go see.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
But they saw this. I'm just wondering if the other
families saw the same because my thing is just not military.
Something that went through My.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Thing was is because they are so stretched out as
far as residents, like residential establishments, they wouldn't have been
close enough to see a ship. They would have only
seen the lights because they were too far away to
see an actual craft. Because even the boys, they saw
the lights and the flickering and the zooming, but they
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didn't see an actual craft until they got their flashlights
out and went up to it. So had they not
gone in and got their flashlights and went out for
a second look, they probably wouldn't even have seen it,
so that's just theorizing. But as far as I can understand,
they're the only ones that saw the craft. Everybody else
(28:58):
just saw flashing and zoom in all of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Again, this is for the first few hours.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Afterwards, they're getting more sightings in so it might have
bamped off the face of the earth at their location
at the Manor residence, and then the lights came on
periodically as it was moving through the area. So I
feel like different things were happening. So it's not fifty
(29:27):
sightings were on this exact same time, day, place thing.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
It was.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
This happens over the next few hours, they're getting more
and more reports in which I'm assuming again because they
are it's going to be people that are in different
areas getting different views and that kind of thing. And
with it being so dark and there aren't places like
there are now where we have three times that amount
of people in that area, so it's going to be
(29:56):
fewer people spread out more. It's going to be darker
because you're not having those city lights. There's probably a
sleepy town with maybe a few street lamps and a
stop light maybe.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Yeah, but that probably makes it super easy to see
lights if there are, if they are up.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
There exactly, it would see the lights, but you wouldn't
be able to see a craft. I feel like the
craft would be darker because again too, if you're seeing
eyeball light, pupil light, and then two lights at the end,
depending on how bright they are, they're gonna how when
you look at really bright light in the dark, sunbursts out,
(30:36):
you know what I'm saying, Like it looks like the
light explodes. Or maybe it's because I have a stigmatism.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Oh my gosh, I have it so bad at night now,
So I have it really bad at night. It's awful.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
But I just think that they would see the lights
and with them pulsing and stuff. It doesn't say how
fast necessarily, or how slow or any patterns, So all
of the flashing would probably disorient people anyway, and they
wouldn't be able really get a good grasp of what
it is. Were the lights moving, were they not moving?
It could be zipping around, And if the lights are
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flashing slow, it could be going in all different areas
before the lights come back on.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Okay, So I feel like it'd be a little harder
for that.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Unfortunately, not everyone got on board with the idea of
a UFO invading Michigan Skies.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Life got a little difficult for the Manners, with them
having their home their phones woo, with them.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Having their house vandalize. People are taking bottles and chucking
them at the house and even breaking their windows. Oh
my gosh, you've got to think too, they're probably thinking.
This whole family's off their rockers. They're insane. They're this,
they're that, they're the other. And as much as i'd
love to say that in the twenty first century, that's
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not a problem very much.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
So is still a problem. Oh, definitely the sheriff, so
he's getting all these reports. Things are coming in.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Now we've got news crews, We've got I guess journalists.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I don't know. I don't know how many news crews
there were in the sixties.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
But you have with that huge camera.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, you'd have to hook it to a horse because
it's so big.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
You have people there, I guess.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Journalism and all of that trying to get the scoop.
They're flooding the place, people are vandalizing the house. There's
no answers. They're looking around, they're searching the woods, they're
searching the swamps, they're searching everywhere in the vicinity, and
there's no answer.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
There's essentially just a circle in the ground and that
is it. And fifty one sightings. That's it. Probably more
than that. I do fifty one.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I do fifty sightings afterwards and the families. But then
I guess there were also police officers prior to that
reporting stuff, but it didn't give me a number of
how many, So we'll just say upwards of probably sixty.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
That's a significant report. Yes, but one night when you
said it's all spread out so far, so it's not
like this one city street corner that saw it. This
is over fifty reports spread out. Yep. That's a lot.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
YEP.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
And I would like to point out that it does
say the house is vandalized. It does not say who
vandalized it. I doubt it was adults vandalizing the house.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
It's Ronald's friends, yeah, or I guess lack their enemies
and frenemies.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
It's like when what they used to do in the
old days, you'd put dog poop in a paper bag
and light it on fire in front of the old
man's door, so that he would step on it and
put it out and you step a dog.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Shit.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
It's a stupid crap that the kids did.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
And even to this day, they go out and they
vandalize it's I don't know. I just want to disclaimer
that we don't know who vandalized it. It could have
been just kids dicking around.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
We don't know. It might just have been bored kids
in the community.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
They blot twist it was a sheriff.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
But anyway, so Harvey seeing all these things, things are
getting out of hand and he realizes that he needs assistance.
He reaches out to multiple federal agencies, but again ignored
after each attempt. So whereas he was open to the
reports and all of that, the people that he was
reaching out to were very much just ignoring him. And
(34:28):
you've got to put into consideration Project blue Book was
already a thing.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
It was a thing.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I feel like it was established enough at that point
that if they were raising concerns to a federal level,
someone should have taken them seriously initially, not waited until
later to step in.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Desperate for answers.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
He got absolutely no responses, but he was determined, and
he contacted his very own congressional representative, Weston Vivian.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Ooh, Weston's on the case.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
For those familiar with the typical response regarding UFO ideologies,
you will be shocked to hear he was not shocked.
He was not quieted down. He was not ignored at
this level. So pats off to Weston and Weston after
throwing their weight around and pulling enough strings, he allured
the attention from the Air Force, so much so that
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they dispatched a member of Project blue Book, doctor j
Allen Heinik, who will be discussing in more depth.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Which is going to be in part three.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
So they actually dispatch an investigator from Project blue Book
to the area.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
That's crazy that they're actually taking him serious, Like it's
not a bad thing. I'm just shocked.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
That.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
No, but they at least sent somebody out from Project
blue Book.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
That sent someone out to actually investigate. I'm doing air
quotes for everybody who can't see the video again. When
I go over Heinich in part three, you will understand
that you're like, oh, okay, maybe it wasn't as big
of a deal as you thought, but they did send
someone all right, it was like, Hey, I need you
(36:19):
to grab this box of tissues that's down in the basement,
and there's no basement. Okay, But anyways, we'll get into
that speculation that the media coverage influenced the reports of
some seemingly innocent college kids sixty miles southwest of Dexter
in a town now forever known as Hillsdale, And that
(36:43):
is where we are going to stop this segment of
the mischievous Michigan Martians, and we will continue with the
other batch of sightings that happened the following day next week.
I've never actually had a multiparter where I actually stopped.
The episode usually just ends and it just cuts off,
and because we just do it all at once, so
(37:04):
we were prepared this time. But yeah, so we got
nineteen sixty six, sleepy small town out in the middle
of nowhere, this regular plane jame farm fed family is
just chilling until their dogs start freaking out and they
go out because they're like, what the hell are they
barking at? Probably out there screaming at them, I'm sure,
(37:28):
And they look up and they see all these lights.
They get up to it, they see an actual craft,
so much so that they could identify the fact that
it had gridlines on it and two little legs that
come out. It's zipping around and then poof, and then
fifty more sightings in the area happen over the next
few hours. Police get involved. They immediately go out to investigate,
(37:51):
which I thought was impressive. I am more impressed with
the local police than anyone else in the story.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Or this account.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
I'm just trying to think the mindset, because you said
Project Bluebook was going out, So I wonder if like
people were at the time, like reading Time magazine, like aliens,
they're here and that's why the police were doing it,
or I don't know. I'm just trying to put myself
in their headspace, and I can't.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
I know that typically now, Granted I don't know what
it was like in the sixties, but I know that
a lot of small even my we have a local paper,
and our local paper covers our area and like surrounding areas.
You don't see a lot of national stuff in our
(38:40):
local paper now. Again, not to say that they might
have done that back in the day, I don't know.
I've never seen a paper from nineteen sixty six. But
another thing too, is it's a rural community. These people
probably only can't. They're using the farmer's almanac at this point,
probably for their crops.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
It's cool that they're all looking at him like he's
not usually see him and be like, oh, that's the
crackpot family, but they're actually like listening to him going
out and investigating it. Some people.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
It's a few things.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
One, like you said, established in the community, very respected.
It just seems like an all American traditional family esque group.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Now my question would be, had the.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Other officers not reported multiple encounters that same night or
same sightings, would they have believed the family. Do you
think they would have believed the family if the other
officers had not reported encounters, I think.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
They were less likely to believe the family. I don't
know if they just would write it off because you
said some other officers saw stuff as well.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
So yeah, I'm just thinking if the officers had not
reported anything, I don't think that they would have went
out and investigated that night. They would have probably just
been like, Okay, that's weird and then just written it off.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I don't even know they would have filed it at
that point.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
And I'm almost wondering as if they responded so quickly,
maybe the officers had reported something and they had dispatched
other officers trying to increase.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Me. Maybe something weird's happening.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
Maybe we should increase, maybe send some people out just
in case, because what else are they gonna do.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
It's a small town.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
But maybe they were already out and that's why they
responded so fast. But from what I gathered, Harvey showed
up himself and saw the lights at some point. I
think we'll get into it later on, but I'm pretty
sure that he actually saw at least at the very
least saw the lights.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Hm. And so it's kitt missed.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
So you had the police showing up, which is great,
and then the police officer reaches out to the tries
to level up, like I'm going to chain of command,
We're going up to the federal and the federals. I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
I don't hear anything.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
So he's but he is so determined to figure out
that's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
He could have let it die.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
He could have just brushed it off and been like, oh,
like just swept under the rug and move on. Oh,
I did my due diligence. I reported it. If they're
not showing up, they're not showing up. But whatever. But
he didn't. He was like, no, I want answers because
my men saw something. These people saw something, and I
want answers. Love the curious mind. It is fantastic, Harvey
(41:49):
or the sh isn't it? And so he went out
to the congressional level and was like, listen, you represent us.
That is your job. Your job is to help us,
So do your job right. And Weston was like, I
got you boo. And it was like I mean he was.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
It was verbatim, Yeah, I got you boo.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
And what I thought was interesting about it was it's
not like he went to one place and reported it.
From my research, what I gathered was he pulled multiple strengths.
He threw his weight around to get some attention to
get someone sent there.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
He did not give up either. And that's why I'm like, man,
we need.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
More people in office today like this where they listen
and they're willing to do something about it. And like
I said, it's a small community in Michigan.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
This is so off topic. But I have my whole
life didn't believe in aliens. I was like, that's so ridiculous,
you know what I mean, like ech okay. But as
I started that movie podcast It's so good, I loved
you verymore. But as I started the poduct and actually learned,
I didn't even know like that there were different types
of aliens until I read Leslie's book. I'm so ignorant
(43:07):
on alien stuff. But then when you have Congress coming
out with the freaking that whole meeting that they televised
about having knowledge of aliens and this and that, now
I'm actually super interested in it, but I know nothing
about it.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
It's well, I think it's so crazy is they had
the big flaps back when they first started having these sightings,
and everybody just beefed it up and everybody talked about
and then you had War of the World's coming on,
which just ruined I'm just destroyed everybody's mental state. And
I feel like, in all honesty, I feel like things
were taken more seriously or at least were investigated, whether
(43:47):
it be by local enforcement agencies or even communities that
were trying to get answers. But then War the World's happened.
And then when everybody when they finally found out that it.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Wasn't real.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I think they used that to write off a bunch
of stuff. Oh, it's just because people are hearing about it.
It's just because of this. It's just because of that.
And I almost wonder if had that not happened, if
the investigatory atmosphere for UFO sightings, if it would have
progressed rather than go back. We want progress, we don't
(44:23):
want regression. And I feel like that hindered us a lot.
And then because of that, then you've got the whole
Roswell situation. And I feel like it just strayed farther
and farther away from getting answers, and it was just
people don't want to know. Because when people reacted thinking
that broadcast was real, I feel like that set up
(44:47):
all kinds of agencies, all kinds of people everywhere that
they did not want something to be real. Because when
people freaked out over something fake, imagine what they would
do if they found it was real. And I think
that made a lot of people skittish.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
Would you want to know, because if there's something going
on and you can't do anything about it, there's nothing
you can do to change.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I would want to know, mainly because if I were
to see something, I would feel a lot more at
ease knowing something might be there. I don't like it's
like a jump scare, right, if you don't know what's
coming and it gets you. I cannot stand that. But
if I know it's coming, then it's okay.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Like this is a little.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Easier to deal with because I'm prepared. You can mentally
prepare yourself for anything to happen.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Maybe it's just me, but oh, and so.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
I want to put out So the book she's talking
about is Leslie and Stephen Shaw, and I want to
see what is it.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Who they are and where they come from.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Or when I had the one, I said the title wrong,
it was a fantastic book.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Yeah, I just want amaze. I love giving them shout
outs because.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
They are they are amazing people.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
I had them on the show and they were great.
So their book is again Leslie and Stephen Shaw, and.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
It is who they are and what they're up to.
If you were to.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Witness something anomalous in the sky, would you report?
Speaker 3 (46:26):
It depends on what it was. If I could anomalist though, if.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
You saw these flashing lights darting across the sky and
then hovering and then going.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Up down and all of this stuff.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
You're close enough to it that you see a football
shape with a dome and two little pegs the size
of a freaking car, so close that you can see
that there's gridlines on it.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Would you report that?
Speaker 3 (46:55):
I honestly don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
See, I don't know. Oh. I would probably ask around first.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah, I could see doing that, like going to neighborsky,
did you see that? Did you see that? And if
I get confirmation, then maybe okay.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
But we've got to factor this in.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
We have been programmed with all of the was it misinformation,
disinformation whatever, not true false information, and we have grown
up knowing about the stigma behind reporting these things. But
if you did not have any incline or wish, if
(47:37):
you did not have any inclination that if you reported it,
you would be ridiculed, you would be made fun of
or whatever, you would be scrutinized. I feel like that
makes a big difference. If I did not know that
I was going to get ridiculed. I feel like if
I knew, or if I didn't know that would happen,
(47:59):
I would probably report it because I'd be like, dude,
this is some weird shit, someone's in my property. Because again,
rural communities, you're like, dude, there's some GTFO.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Yeah, minus the stigma. But also, if you call the
local police department and let them know, what do you
think they're going to do, they'll be like, oh, I'll
write it up, like they're not going to do anything
with it. I bet if they weren't supposed to be
there and there are two men, they can at the
minimum go up and do like a field interrogation, you
(48:28):
know what I mean, just Hi, how are you? What
are you doing here? But they're not stopping them, but
they can just talk to them and be like, that's
very different than a spaceship, you know that looks like
a paper towel in the sky, a little leg.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
I'm just thinking the song in my head.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
But two also, you got to think the livelihood of
this community revolves around the farmers of the time. It's
not like they had factories or anything like that in
this community that I am aware of. It was strictly
a farming community. So those crops are the blood of
that community. So if something is messing around with that
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property and destroying those crops or potentially destroying those crops.
They are a threat to the community, not just this family.
So I can see them being like, we better go
figure this out real quick, because if it's shown up
at this farm, in might show up at the next
farm and the next farm and the next farm, and
we can have a bigger problem on our hands, the
box and the bigger box. And then put that box
into the box. That is like the second or third
(49:27):
week in a row we have. I've had this reference
on the show. I made it last week.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Put the bucks under the books.
Speaker 1 (49:36):
I'm out to myself anyway, But yeah, I just feel
like I was impressed with how they handled the situation
up until the federal point. I was definitely taken aback
actually because I wasn't ready for it to be like, oh,
like I read it more than what's going Wait, they listened. Yeah,
they didn't degrade them or write it up people like
(50:01):
they responded by golly, they did their jobs and you
don't hear that happening very often. So definitely hats off
to that. Do you have any other thoughts on it
or opinions on how you would have handled it how
they handled it?
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Any Chris hated.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
To hear what goes on. I want to know, after investigating,
were there ships in the area, what are the possible causes.
And that's what I'm wanting into. When you get into that,
I'm waiting for that.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
I'm excited because again, this is.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
One family, essentially only two people of the family, and
we never again the sixties, we never heard what the
wife's the mom's viewpoint was.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
It was what she saw. She was probably in vacuumacum
in I love it.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
We're both thinking that the house was vacuuming her house
night at night, and our pearls yep.
Speaker 2 (51:00):
I would like to.
Speaker 1 (51:00):
Point out that it is currently what midnight at my
house and I am when I get done here, I
am literally going.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
To vacuum my house because I can, and I work
nights now, so I'm up. But I just thought that
was funny.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
I yeah, But there's two people that actually see the
craft that I am aware of. I'm not sure how
close the sheriff got. I think I bring it up
and later at some point I'm not sure why I
didn't think to put it here, but I'm pretty sure
I cover it. But either way, there's a very limited
amount of people that actually see the saucer.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
It's just there's not very many.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
A lot of people see lights, but not as many
people see the saucer. Next week when we go over Heelsdale,
heels that woo Hillsdale. Let me just get a little
Midwestern on you. It's gonna be a big difference. It's
I feel like it is more intense. Things really escalate,
(51:59):
and it brings this whole spat like way into the
forefront of the news community. So it's gonna be really
intense next week. So I'm pretty excited about that. But yeah, seriously, disclaimer,
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But yeah, so I guess we'll wrap this up and
we'll continue next.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
Week, all right, see you bye.
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