August 20, 2025 • 58 mins
In this episode, Natty and her guest Melissa delve into the fascinating events of March 21, 1966, where a dormitory of students, police officers, and the Hillsdale County Civil Defense Director all witnessed a mysterious football-shaped UFO hovering over a swamp in Hillsdale, Michigan. Natty discusses the similarities and differences between this incident and an earlier sighting in Dexter, including strange light patterns and the craft's extraordinary movements, while debating whether the events were extraterrestrial or a secret military experiment.
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https://gandernewsroom.com/2023/03/07/michigans-swamp-gas-ufo-real-imagined-or-a-government-cover-up/
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https://gandernewsroom.com/2023/03/07/michigans-swamp-gas-ufo-real-imagined-or-a-government-cover-up/
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Speaker 2 (01:04):
Hope see soon. All right, Welcome, back.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Everyone with Me again is miss list from Outrozetic Ghosts.
We are going to be hitting up I know, right,
part two, So if you haven't listened to the first part,
I know it didn't say part one, two and three
because I've decided that people don't listen as much when
you do that. Last week's episode was the Dexter UFO
sighting and just what they went through there, and this
(01:35):
week we're gonna be talking about the next day the
town over in Hillsdale.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
There's another UFO sighting.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
But it gets crazy, so I wanted to make sure
that we again kept track as always.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Thank you again for being on.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Is there anything that's changed in the last week that
you have going on or anything?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Nope, just trying to catch up with episodes, all right.
I'm really thinking about going bi weekly because it's just
it feels like you are rushing episodes, and I think
they come out better if you have more time.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, I actually so, I have two things of notes.
I might actually do one with him in the near future,
so that'll cover one. I've got notes on another one
that's ready, and then I have notes that I'm working
on for a third. I've got the notes, it's just
getting the time to do it. Hopefully this will be
(02:29):
out and we'll get things going. But I guess we'll
just go ahead and dive right in. I'm pretty boring.
There's not a whole lot going on. I've got the
new job started and there's some stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, thanks right. The bathroom, I was like, hold on.
I was like, I'm gonna steal smooth before I go
in there and record.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So I lean over and I give him a kiss,
and it seems like kissing the lights go off, like
the lamp next to my bed goes off.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
He's like, that was weird. I was like, yo, little bit, okay,
all right, so just so okay, back an action. Here
we go, all right.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
On March twenty first, nineteen sixty six, just one night
after the Manor of Family is terrifying encounter, the cool
spring night air wafted through the streets of another Michigan
town by the name of Hillsdale. Hillsdale, I keep what
it called like high heels. Unlike the sleepy town of
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Dexter Housing. It estimated three thousand or less souls that year.
Hillsdale was a bustling college town with what I would
guess to be at least double the population bringing that
city to life. So I'm from a tiny town. There's
ever many people here. There's twenty five hundred maybe in
my town, and just maybe half an hour down the road,
(03:46):
you've got a college town. I guess it's a town,
a college town, and they've got sixty plus thousand people there.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, I'm just assuming that it's the same setup.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
How many people do you have in your town.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Like between twenty and twenty five hundred for itty bitty.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, you're smaller than my town.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, it's like you blink in, We're not there anymore now.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Just like in the Dexter encounter, somewhere between nine and
ten pm that fateful night, the girls of the McIntyre
residence sat in their dorm rooms, no doubt turning in
for the night.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So we got a dorm room lately coming in.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
It is unlikely that there was any ruckus in the
hall since Hillsdale College was founded, sorry, it was founded
and ran with high standards of.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Giving more of a prep.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
School kind of vibe than a typical party campus that
you would see today.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You said it's high heel town. Of course you.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I don't want to say, hoity twenty this is the
world'm looking for.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
They were very buttoned up, strict rules. Yes, they weren't
like a loose college that you would see today. Everything
was pretty much in a line. They did not do
co ed. I think the school was founded as being
female only, but it might have been at this time.
It might have been co ed, but they definitely did
not cohabitate.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Absolutely. Yeah, Oh Heaven.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Forbid in the sixtiesel, Good Lord, Heaven help us all
if there's a boy in there. That's why I'm also
assuming that nine or ten o'clock at night they're probably
all in at least in their dorm, if not in.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Bed reading their bibles.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yes, yes, I'm sure, of course.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Now this cross, this occurrence is the exact same night
as Dexter. Following night, oh, the following night. Okay, yep, sorry.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Dexter was on March twentieth. This one was on March
twenty first, and if the students there campus had made
it through a normal day, they were about to have
a vigorous case of the Mondays.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I don't know what dayly week it was, but the
we're gonna have a case of the Mondays. Real quick, Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Suddenly there was commotion as nearly eighty seven young women
called for others and rushed to their windows to witness
their own astonishing anomaly.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
An entire campus.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Saw.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
There's I mean everyone.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
It wasn't like oh a couple girls claimed, No, I'm
talking tons of students.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah, they hear what they saw.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, and they're back. Then you're like, okay, get know,
come look at this. Come look at the Susan. The
first people initially see it, and then they have enough
time to then get the other students over to be like, hey,
look at this ship.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
They would not be swearing.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Oh yeah, look at this wondrous thing in the sky Susan.
Gollie g I'm just like picturing an ascot.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I don't know why, but they all have ascots on
like little poodle skirts and ask us.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
But it was that fifties and sixties. I don't know
they or sixties like the tied eye peace signed girls.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
It's not like seven or people.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Is that the seventies or sixties? I don't know. I
wasn't around. That's before my time.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Sorry, anybody out there who knows, please don't at me.
So they start rushing over the windows. Lights flash in
the sky as yet another football shaped craft sped in
and hovered just above.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
The Okay Arboretum.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
This sounds like a really funny word about half a
mile from the dormitory full of stunned girls, I guess
women at this point, probably for anybody who's not familiar
within arboretum as I was not, is other verbiage for
a botanical garden that is devoted to tree life, and
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this particular one was nestled into a swampy area similar
to the atmosphere of the manor family's encounter, because theirs
was in a swampy portion of their property as well.
So basically you got a gardener trees, which I don't
know why they just call it a baby forest, makeshift forest,
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manufactured forests.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I don't know. So the football shaped object just hovered
over the swamp yep zips over and just hovers, but
it doesn't go down like the other one.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
This is just the bear nuts thing. We're gonna get
into a little bit more of what's happening with it.
This is just like initially comes in, zooms in and hovers.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's what they're seeing as of yet.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Okay, now, the best view of the events unfolding how
sophomore named Joseph fin Evans, who later gave a statement
to the Hillsdale Collegiate, and a crowd of other young
women of all ages. She goes out, she reports what
she saw to the local college gazette. And then it
wasn't just her, It was like a crowd of women
(09:00):
were reporting these things. And Josephine recalled the initial approach
of the craft and this is going to be a
quote says, we suddenly spotted what appeared to be a
strange light in the arb. It was odd the way
the lights were, but it was also weird the way
the UFO traveled end quote. Right, So she's already labeling
UFO out the gate, which I find interesting for a
(09:24):
button up college that the first thing they would go
to would be a UFO. But you know, but it
is a dorm made of Hers who was also the
writer of the article Convenient, was Gidget Cone.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, it's either Cone or con it's Kohin.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I'd just call her Gidget forget the yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Gidget now.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
She followed up by adding, quote, there was a glow
around it, and the lights of appeared to be pulsating.
The glow was gone, and there were three lights which
were yellow white, and then the middle one turned red,
and then one on the left. We watched for about
ten minutes, and then the objects seemed to move up
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and then to the right and left very slightly.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
All right, so.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Again same we got two lights on e one light
on either end and the light in the middle, and
she's saying they've got yellow and white, and then all
of a sudden, this middle one starts turning red, kind
of like your eyeball theory.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
This is so insane because that many people star it,
Because at first I was like racking my brain, like, okay,
it's the sixties, yep. Were there like a lot of
TV shows about aliens. What's pushing them? I don't really
know what happened in the sixties with aliens.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Which when was the War of the World that was
nineteen thirty eight.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Oh, then I talked about they already had the.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Betty and Barney Hill Roswell was what forty I think,
right or eight forty eight.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I know nothing about aliens. I don't even know about
Roswell story.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Okay, So there's just there's been plenty of encounters that
were very popular up into this point, Like by the
time you hit sixty six, you had quite a.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Few well known ones. I would believe that you're gonna
make me question it.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
No, because right now, if you have that many people
that are seeing the same.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Look at me.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Roswell incident started in nineteen forty seven, so we have
that one, and then we have Betty and Barney Hill
was in nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
So we've got some very prominent UFO.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And alien based encounters and abduction experiences that happened up
into sixty six.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So it's not like it was a brand new idea.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
But then again, you see a flying football the size
of a car, I don't know what else you could
even possibly think that it could be at that point.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Some kind of military thing is what I'm thinking. If
there's any military bases in that area.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Oh, I should have asked, hold up, okay, I'm gonna
go ask refest. I have a military guy in the
other room told okay, I have used my phone a
friend or as audience lifeline. So there are multiple bases
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in Michigan.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Oh that that's a lot of doubt on this for me.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, So I wasn't sure, but my source says, I'm
a freaking reporter.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I cannot name my source, but he says, this.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Very handsome source I have in the other room say anyway,
nice one, but anyway, so yes, there, I guess there's
multiple up in Michigan. I don't know how close they
(13:10):
are to dexter to me, but this is the only
thing I want to take away for we'll analyze more
than at the end. But so we have another football shape,
we have the same colored lights. They're still flashing. We
have the two light on either end, light in the middle,
and all of that. So I just want to make
sure that we are all on the same page. If
you again, go listen to the last week's episode if
(13:32):
you want to hear about that, because there's also the
photo and the social media posts and we do more
of a description on.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
There, and Gidget confirmed it.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, Gidget says the gidget. Oh my god, the gidget
is that. Oh love it.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But anyway, so fear began to increase as the illuminated
ship crept ever closer to the dormitory. Amidst the panic,
some of the young women had the wherewithal to call
for help on a rotary phone, fingers shaking while trying
not to miss the buttons on the rotary phone, they
attempted to soothe themselves enough to explain to the man
that they were in dire need of assistance. The man
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they contacted in their time of need was William van Horn.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
God, I love it. The Hillsdale County Civil Defense Director.
That's a cool title.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Defense director. I know, right, he doesn't sound like he
can do anything but step behind a desk.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
But hold on, notice the verbiage.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So I'm thinking they must be pretty close to some
military bases for it to be the County Civil Defense Director.
I could be wrong, but it does makes sense. Okay,
I might just be talking about my ass which I
probably am. I just had that case Ventura when he's
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like talking with his butt cheeks. Van Horn answers a
call and instructs the girls to continue to monitor the
mysterious lights.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
That's his directions.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Hang tis call back if it doesn't get better or
it gets worse, Like that doctor when you have a rash.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I don't know, just keep an eye on it, call
back if it doesn't go away.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
That's the worst advice ever, But go ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, So they end him calling back, obviously, and this
time he hopped in his police cruiser and headed over
to the college, more than likely expecting a timid building
filled with bored young girls, trapped by din mothers and
a curfew who simply just called to pass the time.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That's probably what he's thinking, right.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I can't believe he waited, but yeah, that's probably what
he's thinking.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
It's the sixties.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It was a different time, but I'm not gonna say
it's that much better now.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
They couldn't do anything. They were seen as like these weak,
feeble things, exactly scared. I'm surprised they didn't go out
and be like, oh my gosh, I'll protect you.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
They called, Oh maybe it's a it's about a hysteria.
They're just ragging. No, it's stu shit.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So I could see them not taking them seriously because
it's a college dorm room full of young women, and
chase it. It was the sixties.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Upon arrival, van Horn threw the car and park and paused,
staring in disbelief at the astonishing light show that was
still happening.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Next time, believe women right, Lights of.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Various colors and intensities dance in the sky and unpredictable patterns.
Van Horn was not the only law man who bore
witness to the potentially extraterrestrial disissentric object. That's Hillsdale Police
duo Harold Hess and Jerry Wise.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Oh my god, this is the movie, right, it's gotta
be a movie.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
We're on Aysan Wise are on the case.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah and Wise. It sounds like a law firm in
corporate es.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I'm hungry.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
But they were on their typical patrol when something got
their attention, regardless of the mind gap between them. By
the College, there was an object floating at a low
altitude that the men described as so bright they couldn't
look directly at it. The brave officers sped over to
the arboretum, where they were able to see the craft
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that was emitting such extraordinary lights. In an interview with
previously mentioned Gidget Has went on the record saying it
wasn't a chopper. There was no humming. I took my
weapon out. Jerry told me to put it back. Whatever
it is, I don't think it'll bother it one bit.
What you've got at your side, Jerry.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Told me, when you said it wasn't a chopper, I
don't know why I heard that voice.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I did too. I'm so damn yeah, straight up in
my mind.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I just love how it's it's the sixties and he's
a good old boy.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I'm sure it's get my weapon and he's bro.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Put the gun away, whatever is doesn't give a shit
about your gun.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Just put it away, man, someone's gonna get hurt. So, like,
did you have a series, what was it?
Speaker 3 (18:09):
The Town? They know, the movie The Town when they
were robin and they had all the masks on and stuff. Oh,
there's an officer that's sitting there read a newspaper and
he just turns his head to the right. I saw nothing, dude.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, exactly like that. That's what I thought was crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
So immediately following this exchange, the light separated and shot
off into two different directions, causing even the police radio
transmitters to malfunction.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
When Hess and Wise ran back to their car to
call for assistance, they were met with nothing but static.
The officers froze with fear as the hairs on the
back of their necks stood on end, with the realization
that they may have to face this dilemma on their own.
Just then, the lights zipped off into the east and
faded to nothing. Moments later, there was a spark of
what was described as a blue green whitish light, before
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completely dissipating around five point thirty the next morning, never
to return. We're gonna take a pause there. This started
at nine or ten o'clock at night. The one in
the college, they said they sat and watched it for
ten minutes, ten solid minutes of this thing hovering after
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it zipped in. And then we have the other ones
that it's a mile down the road. They're seeing a craft.
That's it's so bright. So then they get closer they
see that it's a craft, and then it splits into two,
does its little dance, and then it just let's see.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You said, does it come back together?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
That's what I had my question about. Oh it split.
I didn't get what was happening.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Then yeah, so it said after he was like, dude,
put your gun away. It splits into two and shoots
off another direction, so it out both sides are different directions.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It doesn't have to be like polar opposites. But when
it does.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
That, it malfunctioned all the transmitters to the radios.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
They couldn't call out. It was like when you typically
hear of.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Radios may functioning, your car dies before an abduction, your
cell phone doesn't work, which was pretty much all the
time nowadays. But it does have a lot of electromagnetic
effect and a lot of wavelinks and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
It has effects on just in general.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I'm just trying to see when the light goes. You
could see the ship and the light and then just
the light goes or everything goes. Oh, I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
From what I've gathered, it was the one group saw
the craft and the whole nine. The officers initially saw
a light that was so bright they couldn't see, but
then it says before that, let's see here, they went
over to the place where it was hovering and they
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were able to see the craft with all the light
show going on then, which I'm guessing, so if you
have the football shape and you have the eye in
the middle, but you have the lights on either side,
I'm wondering if they were so bright, I wonder if
it's either split or maybe it actually this would be
the thing because remember in Dexter, at one point it
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just all the lights were gone.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It just and was done.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
It didn't fizzle, it didn't fade, it didn't anything. It
was just like light and then blank zip and it
was done. So my thing would be, what if the
lights on either side are not adhered to the craft.
What if they're like sensors or something that they can
shoot off, or like droids back in the sixties, and
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they could shoot the lights off, because that would explain
why two of them went opposite directions or went two
different directions, and then maybe the middle piece turned off
like it did in Dexter, so they didn't see it,
and then maybe they came back or there was that
extra spark at the end, maybe that was the thing
turning back on and then it just fizzles.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
So be in the annoying skeptic what reason would the
military planes have for hovering over swamps. We don't know
they're military, I'm saying if if they are not UFOs
in their military, if it was military. If we're going skeptic.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Sally here, what if they were running some kind of
craft that ran off water and the closest that they
had in that area were the swamps, or what if
there was some kind of mineral or algae or something
that the craft they were trying to utilize in that
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area that it would then have to go.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Get.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
That's not the word I was looking for, but get
is essentially it harvest. Or maybe they were just looking
for a place in the middle of fuck Egypt and
they're like, nobody's gonna be at the swamp. We can
test our craft over there. Although the one right as
to the college wouldn't have been the best VID.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yes, what I was gonna say, with all the girls
faces pressed against the glass.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Skeptic Sally says, it's nine ten o'clock at night. These
girls should be in bed. What else are they gonna
be doing with their life because they don't have a
man to cook dinner for or whatever?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Ohing yep.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, So that's just what's going on with that one.
As far as that goes, I don't think they would
have picked a college town, but I don't know. Now
we can dig more into that here in a second.
I've just got a little bit left here of the
actual notes to go, and then we could just break
it down. After the story of Hillsdale hit the press,
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the Michigan encounters became a nationwide attention grabber, and more
reports trickled in. Over the next week, many other residents
and Dexter and Hillsdale stood in awe before they began
phoning in report of strange sounds being inmitted from flying
objects in the sky accompany accompanied by unexplained and rather
erratic lights in the night of March twenty second, so
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this is two nights after the initial On March twenty third,
in Monroe eighteen was ready watching with wonders. They whipped
out their trusty camera and snapped some photos of a
saucer they saw overhead. However, no one set eyes on
the actual original photo as far as I can find.
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As far as I can find, nobody could say that
they've seen the actual photo. But more shenanigans were underway
in the evening of March twenty fourth, around six fifteen pm.
Robert Nichols and his wife. I hate when they do that.
She has a name.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Anyway, Robert Nichols.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
And wife, who were disrespectfully this is literally where I
put his wife who was disrespectfully unnamed, were cruising the
highway as they did hundred times before.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
She should have been vacuuming.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, that she was. She was being a passenger. Princess
Oh Okay, so she was woman drivers, No they can't.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You know that it used to be illegal for a
woman to ride in a car or drive a car
without a.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Jacket because it was considered to be improper.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I did not, but oh my goodness, thankfully that was
the law.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Didn't matter if it was one hundred degrees outsideh better
be wearing her jacket.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
That's insane. Yeah, I can't believe that there was a
time where like, you couldn't even have your own credit card.
You'd have to have missus.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Miss like that could be any woman anyway.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Gross, it's yeah, we're deciding to get into that. But
so they're cruising down cool night air, no doubt, whipping
in their hair as they listened to the Golden Oldies
and marital bliss. We're gonna assume for the better portion.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Here.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Things got real when object about half the size of
their car went zooming across the highway about two hundred
feet or you're welcome sixty one meters.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
And this is what they see. They're going through boom.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
They account this thing about half the size of their
car shoots across the road through their headlights and gone,
no light show. No how rain know anything, but we're
gonna leave you off on that because, like I said,
there wasn't much with this one. It was literally those
two saw it. They reported that they saw it.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I wanted to know that.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
The same time frame here. It was going so fast
that it didn't give a good description. They just saw
something fly across the road that was huge.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It doesn't say how fast.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
It does say two hundred feet one is six fifteen
in the afternoon.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
We'll say two hundred feet in front. That makes more sense. Now.
That was that encounter, And so we're gonna dive in.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
We're just gonna go through this and try to see
if we can make sense of any of this, and
then next week we're going to wrap it up with
some information about the investigation and the man who actually
headed up most of it, and how they coined the
term swamp gas.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
We're gonna go over that next time.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I know we've been dropping some little breadcrumbs over the
last couple of weeks about the swamp and all of that,
but it's gonna get into more detail next week.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But let's go back here to the beginning.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
We have a whole dormitory full of college kids, which
then too, it's the sixties. I feel like if you
were a woman in college in the sixties, you were
not messing around. You were there for business. Was like,
I better get my shit together. I got to get
this degree. Like I could be wrong. I don't know
what the sixties were like, but given the atmosphere that
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they portrayed in this particular college, My sister went to
college at Saint Mary's of the Woods, and it gives
me a very much same vibe. It's a Christian college
or whatever gives me the same feel that this college does.
So many people had seen it. They were all reporting
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Then they called.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
The officer gets in his car, drives there, and he
sees it with his own two eyes, probably feels like
a giant arse, or i'd hope he does. How do
you feel or what do you think about just that
piece alone?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I think he is an arse because he didn't go
out until the second phone call. But I think that
there definitely was something because the fact that many people
saw it, and you have law enforcement coming in that
also saw it and other people reporting it. Now the areas,
I don't believe the ones that report it like the
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ones that call immediately when it's happening, I believe, But
you know how all the neighborhoods people would be like,
oh yeah, I saw that yesterday too, but they didn't
report it at the time like that. I don't believe
none of them. Shut up.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, I don't recall anything being in the papers. There
was no notoriety for anybody necessarily other than like a
few names.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's just like I said, it's a roomful of people.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Then there's like the sheriff, the officers, the government employees.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
That were named.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
The other ones were not, except the girl that wrote
the paper. And let's just be honest.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
You were reporter. You were wanting attention anyway. So there's that.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I need to look and see how far apart these
towns are. It might not have traveled that far.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So we had Dexter one night, then we have Hillsdale
and Hilldale's happening in the same night. All of these
the college town, the sheriff or the civil defense director,
and then the two officers. All of those happened on
the same night. So there's no way they could have
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fed off the other one. Does that make sense yet?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I'm not. I'm saying I believe these people, And it's
the people days later the thing like this that are like,
oh yeah, I heard that too, Oh yeah I saw
that too. Those I don't believe. But the amount for
that night, I definitely think that there was something there.
I don't know if it was a UFO, I don't
know if it was military. I don't know what it was,
but I think that there definitely was something in the sky.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I'm leaning towards if there was something football shaped, which
again I feel like if you see something football shaped
from the side, it's probably in all reality a saucer
shape as a whole. You're just getting the side view,
and it's just like a fat foot, like a fat
saucer instead of it being like a pancake, but.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
No tilting. You know that.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
It's just like boom light shows zip in. This one
didn't even zip around as much until the end. It
was basically just it zipped in, it hovered, did some
disco light thing going on, and then well, I said,
the other officers see it splits them to two.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Granted, I don't know if the two side lights came
out ejected and maybe they were doing some kind of
oh my gosh, I lost my brain in my chain.
Oh thank you, Yes, like a grid, like doing some
kind of scan or something like that, and maybe the
main piece unlit or because I don't see how it
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could split. I don't know how it works, but it's
splitting into two doesn't make any sense. But if there
was something that looked like that in the in sixty six,
that means that odds are that was it, because you
have everything from Roswell to all back, way way back.
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We have saucers again, right, originally there's saucers, And if
it was military, I feel like it would have advanced
a little further than just another a fatter saucer. And
I don't know what the military uses, what they don't use,
thank god, oh kind of information, but I feel like
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we would have a lot more stuff nowadays that looks
more like a saucer.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Then that might have been just that, just them testing out, Okay,
we had this before, let's make it wider, let's do this,
let's do that and see what works and what doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, I just I guess.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I just feel like either there would be another branch
or something similar to it had they successfully done anything,
because at this point, they've already got like twenty some
years in to try to reverse engineer whatever the hell
they found in like the forties or the thirties, and
I just feel like there'd be something that we have
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that looks more Saucer esque.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
But this could have been an attempt and then with
any organization than the minute a new person comes in,
they're like, oh, scrap it, this is my way. Yeah,
and at some point it could have just been totally changed.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Okay, yeah, that does make sense, having the shift change
and yeah, okay, I get you in that.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
We'll hop on that bandwagon. I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
That's why I was just like, what the hell? They
all report the same lights, like the same colored lights.
They have the one in the middle of the two
on the side, we have yellow, white red. Initially, that's
all you're hearing through the whole thing until you get
to the very end, the very end of the Hillsdale encounter,
there was that blue green white ish and it just
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like it just said spark.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
It dissipated and was gone.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
So we have white, yellow, red, and then blue green white.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, because they were flashing, and that's what all of them.
And I think I have to go back and look.
I'm trying to remember if the Dexter encounter had the
circular light in the middle being red as well, because
I know the Hillsdale did, because.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
It never said that there was red all over it.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
There was also only two people that witnessed the craft
like firsthand, and honestly, they probably weren't paying attention.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
They're probably sot up a bit. They're too busy shitting
their pants with.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Their little flashlights. They're handing any flashlights, huh. And I
guess so. The other thing, too, is the one piece
missing from Hillsdale is they did not mention the checkered
or quilted pattern like they had in Dexter. But nobody
was as close as the Manners were to that one.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say. So, I
don't know. I want to blindly believe alien stuff, but
it's so hard to.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I'm literally watching a Resident Alien right now.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I love that show, Bridget That's what we were watching
literally before I came out here, and it's just cracking
me up.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
But I just.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
If it's the first couple few days and they're not
like releasing it to the press, they're not doing all
of these things. It's hard for me to be like
to totally disregard everybody else who reported something over the
next couple of days, because if it's like me, literally,
I have said that happens in my own town, and
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I am in town, and I have no idea until
somebody brings it up like a week later, and I'm like, wait, what,
no idea? That was the slice clue we gonna have a
building burned out of my town.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I would have no idea.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
So you think that they weren't sharing this enough that's
why they didn't get more.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Well, what I'm thinking is I would.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I'm hesitant to not believe every extra account after the fact,
because I know that in some cases people might they
really just probably didn't hear about it, and they might
have still witnessed something without being influenced by the other
encounters in the area.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Oh gotcha.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
There are those that do jump on the bandwagon and say,
oh yeah, me too, I saw this, I did that, whatever.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Too. Better I didn't have read it back then, huh.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I know, did you read this?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I read it? So what do you think?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I find it very fascinating that town's over same environment,
same shape craft same colored lights, and to me, there's
too many similarities between the two and such a short
time for it to not have some kind of gusto.
I don't know what it was, but it was something.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
But why the swamps.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
So one of the theories that people came across was
that they were using the water to something in the water,
or the water itself to refuel or maybe what if
it's like I said, okay, so what okay, but.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Before you get into it, did the second one go
down as low as it hovered?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
It hovered over and I remember, let me see if
it tells me, let me go back, because I know
it hovered over it.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Oh, so it'd be hard for them to know.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
So it was about half a mile from the dormitory
that they're viewing this.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Thing, okay, And then.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
The ones that got a better look at it were
hess and wise yelling it, let's see here.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
And it just says they saw the craft, But it
doesn't say how far it was from the ground or anything.
It just says they were able to see it. So
I don't know how how low to the ground it was.
It couldn't land anyway if it's in a swamp.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yes, like How is it getting the water even if
it needs it? Is it having a straw come down?
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
There were the two little legs that came out of
the Dexter craft. What if those were.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
What if those weren't legs or landing gears or whatever.
What if they were meant to suck something up?
Speaker 3 (38:30):
The aliens are up there sucking it like they're siphoning gas.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Oh my god, I just had deja vu.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
That is the weirdest thing to swear that you've heard
you say before, Mace. Yes, I literally just got the
exact same picture in my head that I've had before,
and I'm pretty sure that was exactly what you said.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Is weird? That is so weird. But yeah, it's essentially
just if there's or the chug, it's like a reverse keg.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Stand But what if it is something, because it would
make sense that they're not going because in Michigan you
do have the big lakes and a lot of people
do report a lot of stuff over there at that lake,
and that's different type of water than say a marsh
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swampy area. So what if it runs on some you know,
and there's all kinds of species in theory that come down.
What if one of them runs primarily on some kind
of organic matter that's more of a vegetative state and
less aquatic.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (39:43):
So they're looking for like algae, Yeah, what if.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
It's the moss or the algae or whatever that's in
there that has what they need as opposed to just
being water or salt water or whatever. All right, so
what if it is, because then that would make sense.
It was nobody was close enough to it. And again
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this happened at night, so even the ones said they
were so bright they couldn't see it for a hot minute.
It was just too bright to even look at. So
even if it was sucking anything up, or maybe maybe
the heat.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Oh here we go.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Even if it was say hovering, if it generated heat
and the heat went over the marsh and they were
getting the vapors, they literally got the vapis or that
any air, maybe they wouldn't have to see anything getting
sucked up because it would just automatically turn into mist
(40:43):
or fog or whatever. Maybe they were just testing it.
Those little sticks at the bottom were probes, because we
do that. They stick these little they look like little
they're like sticks with balls at the end and they
have sensors in them and you stick it into air
and it'll tell you what's in the air, if there's
like contaminant contaminants and how much and all of that.
Like we have that now as humans. We can do that,
(41:06):
I know cause I said, we're in a place where
he did it. Or they can stick the probe into
water and tell you, like your fish tank, to tell
you how's the acidity, what's this?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
What's that? What should you put in your tank? What
if you have?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
You hear a lot of stories about aliens that come
out and they always see them taking rocks or dirt
or but they need everything, right, you don't just want
the dirt. So what if these people were just they
were just the moss testers. You're gonna go into the swamp.
We want to know what's up with this area, and
they were just testing that, which is whether it's yeah,
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they didn't have to land because they didn't need soil samples.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
They just needed either air or water or something.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (41:48):
What do you think that they came here just to
get samples.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Maybe they never landed so they didn't have any intention
of getting off the craft.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
I they I always hear so many weird stories about
aliens living underwater.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yes, usually it's in the ocean, though usually I think
actually up in the lakes by Michigan.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I think they do have some that say that they
are in and out of the water, don't they.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I'm telling you, I know nothing about aliens. I know
et and resident alien. That's about it.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
There's a lot in the ocean that they say are
like bases underwater and everything. I have a hard time
believing that. Now, granted I don't know how deep the
lakes are, but I have a hard time believing anything
could being a lake that we are not aware.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Of at that size. Yeah, but it's not to say
that there's not.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
It's just that I have a hard time grasping it enclosed,
even though it is a very vast enclosed amount of
water or amount of enclosed water. I feel like there's
anything underground is probably in the ocean and not wouldn't
be in the swamp because I feel like that would
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draw quite a bit of a tensent.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Do you think that these were young aliens and they're like,
we got to get our own place. We don't want
to live near Mom and Dad and they went to
check it out to see if they can make a
little apartment under there.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I'm picturing, what is it divergent? You put the helmet on,
whatever you do it, it tells you which, okay, hogwarts,
you have gryffindor gryffindor yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Gryffindor So. What if it's just they put their sorty.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Hat on and they're like MOS's House, Walter House, and
then you have the rock House.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Then it's just something like that. What if it's just
that's just their job.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
It's you go and you can be a medical assistant
or an r in or a doctor or a technician.
There's different choices. What if it's just it was some
guy that's you know what.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Maybe it is. Maybe it's the extraterrestrial version of flipping a.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Burger at MacDonald's and they're just like, FuG it, we
just gotta go around this damn swamp and get the
sample and get out of there.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
I said, it never stops Mount Shasta. I don't know
if you ever heard of that.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I have heard of that.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Yes, and they're supposedly aliens in there, so if they
can live in like volcanoes and mountains then why not swamps?
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Now? Is it that they live in it or is
that just the entry way and exit both?
Speaker 3 (44:37):
I think it was supposed to beat up what's the other?
Oh gosh in Earth? No, it was, Oh my gosh,
what's the place that's supposed to no longer exists? They
did before. There were two areas that like fought each other.
Huh oh no, Oh my gosh, you're gonna make me
(45:02):
look this up.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Sorry, the two things? That don't you mean? Like the
are we talking about alien species?
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I am the worst. Give me one second. Oh my gosh,
why can't I find it? You know this thing too?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I know I probably do. The two things one doesn't
exist anymore.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
They both, I think, don't. It was like, oh my gosh,
why can't I find we're talking.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
About real people or are we talking about alien stuff?
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Alien stuff? But people stuff like the like the Aztecs,
No Limerians and what's the other one?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
The Marians?
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Is it the Samerians?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I don't know that sounds right.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
It's like the last continent of Limeria, which is supposed
to be but they fought somebody else Atlantis. Oh my god, yes,
I don't know why that was escaping me something to
do with aliens limerians do though I thought they were aliens?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Does it? Oh?
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Those are just people like the people see I'm telling you,
I don't know anything about aliens. I'm the worst person
to have on this episode.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
That was awesome. It's like, that's the wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Melissa, Okay, to right, I'm back.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Oh my gosh, we needed that. That's good. I needed that.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Oh good gravy that makes this up. I could see
there being both, maybe not murd people. Guess the other
thing too, is it's like people are like, oh, yeah,
the la City of Atlantis sank, and.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Then there was like mur people. I'm like, wait, whoa.
So you're telling me.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
And it's SpongeBob that's what did it. It's a SpongeBob
movie and messed everybody up. That's what I think of too.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Barnacle Boy, murmaid Man, Barkle Boy.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
But I'm just saying, if this happened, I'm like, so
you're saying that in one day people grew give and
learn how to breathe underwater.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
No one points that out. They just go with it.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
But I guess it could be military experiments with crafts,
because there are multiple.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
I just haven't heard anything that makes it like more
alien than military right now.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
I'd say probably the zipping off like this.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
But who's to saying, can you tell me that everything
that the military has tested or is testing now?
Speaker 1 (47:40):
I'm saying for something to go against our knowledge of
physics would be something that would not be man made.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
But how can you guarantee that they haven't done that before.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
I'm pretty sure if somebody was going that fast that
I think about the people that broke was at back
five or whatever that was they were all about. I
just like totally stuttered.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
That was weird.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
But did they say it was that fast or did
the light blind the people for a second so it
could take off?
Speaker 2 (48:13):
They just kept saying zipping.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I don't know how fast zipping is though, but the
way it sounded and Dexter was like you said, it
was like left. Actually this one did left right up
down like it was doing patterns. And at the time,
to the best of our knowledge, there was nothing that
we had that could maneuver that fast and that.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Effectively like that.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
We had things that took a solid minute to turn around,
you know, what I mean, like, it couldn't even you
couldn't even just turn around.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
You had to go in a big old loop to
get turned around.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
But if it is that shape that you just said,
like a flying saucer, it could go left to right
very easily in that shape versus a plane trying.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
To do that, depending on the propulsion method method.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Yeah, but I'm saying, and we're used to seeing planes
and how fast they take to turn.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah. I just.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
I have a really hard time believing that us as
humans have created anything like that thus far and today,
let alone in sixty six.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Well, I'll believe you because I know nothing about aliens except.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
For what you're killing me.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
I go to mermaids. I guess that was perfect.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I can't even I'm trying to feel like, is there
a way I could link mer people to aliens? And
I'm like, I've got nothing. Maybe a ship dropped off,
their capsule was full of water and or and then
the pod is opened up in the water, and then
we have murd people.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
Boom.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
They have the aquatic ape.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Theory that you know is that you don't know the
aquatic Oh, so you have the apes, and then we
supposedly evolved from apes, went to land, and then we
lost our hair and all that stuff. But there's a
theory where we at one point a branch of us
went back to the water and became like an aquatic ape,
(50:15):
which would be kind of like a Mr.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Person, did you like how that was politically correct?
Speaker 3 (50:21):
Person? Person?
Speaker 2 (50:23):
But yeah, it was like that that.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
A group of them either went back or at some
point the evolutionary process just went down that road into
aquatic ape instead of coming onto land, kind of like
how whales used to be on land.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Never heard that they evolved and then went back into
the water.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
To your point, how do you grow fins? Like, how
do you how does any of that happen?
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Aquatic ape theory is not the immediate thing that was
That is a one hundred people.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
Would have to die like daily to evolve.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
If that's the case, Yeah, I'm saying a quiteic ape
theory is not that at all. It is literally the
same time it took us to get to where we
are today from the original. It's just the tree split
at the beginning and one went our direction and one
went water based.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
I'm just picturing like colonies throwing people in the water.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Or they just flood the whole town just to get
you used to walking around in water all the time.
And then they just increase the water level every one
hundred and fifty years or something, or I guess a hundred,
or I guess it'd be a lot. It'd be like
a million years or something. So you start with the
gills on your feet or flippers or something.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Oh my gosh, I'm still So you get to like
your belly button, and then you'll have fins, but you
still have hands. Yeah, okay, what.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Does a picture breathing underwater problem? Though? No?
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Okay, okay, let's go back Hillsdale. I will say this, Yes,
I very trifili like to stay pretty skeptical. I will
say I one hundred percent believed that these people saw something.
Something physical was there. There are two many encounters that
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are too similar and too short a time for it
to not be taken seriously. So they saw something. Now,
whether it was extraterrestrial or not, I do not know.
For the timeframe. I would say some of the things
like the zipping around and the splitting of the lights,
and then it just like all that stuff, I feel
like that's not something that we weren't there in sixty six.
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There was no landing, No one saw a creature. There
was nobody seen in the bubble on top of the craft.
There was no silhouette, nothing that insinuated an actual being
was even flying the thing.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
I definitely believe that something was seen that day, but
I think the government keeps way too many secrets yep
that don't get released for years, so I can't fully
discount that it wasn't some kind of governmental military or when.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
I found out there was a bunch of bases, I'm like, oh, okay,
Like that kind of knocked me down a few pegs.
Before that, I was all for aliens, and I'm like
it could be. All I know is that they saw
something that does not match anything else that we are
aware of existing in that timeframe that is man made.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
Okay, I'll give you that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
So if I had to throw a percentage on it,
I don't know, I'd say I'm probably a sixty forty
with sixty being extraterrestrial, but maybe seventy thirty man, No,
sixty forty sixty forty.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
I'm about a night ninety military ten extraterrestrial.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
And this is where we don't agree, folks, I mean,
it's hard to tell. Like I said, it's on one
hand you have all the encounters, but it doesn't necessarily
mean that it's extraterrestial. It's not like they saw a
gray alien or something in it or something came out
of it. It was literally just the craft and the
light show, all of which we had except for the
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splitting and all of that.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
But like you said, it could have been drones coming
off and if you see in light in drones.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah, but did we have drones in the sixties.
Speaker 3 (54:36):
I'm sure that military did. I don't know how good
the cameras and everything on them would be, but.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
That mindus.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
The maneuverability about the object. That's what's getting me is.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
But you've only said like up down left and too fast.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
I'm not really hearing it's like erratic fast. It's not
like it's rhythmic and the movements.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
But I feel like that we didn't have anything that
could up downside like super fast at the time that
we know of that we know of exactly.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
Again, skeptic skeptic Sally, that's me.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Skeptic Susie and I can be skeptic Sally, you.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
Can be skeptics susy gidget.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
But all right, I can't think of anything to go
with the gus sound though, gosh, darn gidget, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
But yeah, that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
So I guess we could just wrap this up from
there and then everybody could just kind of.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
Let us know. You know, what do you guys think
it is?
Speaker 1 (55:43):
What's your percentage of extraterrestrial to military? Potentially? Any other
comments of stuff. Feel free to, like I said, leave
it on the pot or you could email it and
all that stuff. You can reach us on all our
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Speaker 3 (55:58):
And let's not mock Melissa too much for the whole
Lamaran but not really.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
I want to hear somebody make a comment about Melissa's
aliens of Atlantis. That means a whole different meaning to
the word ancient aliens. But all right, do you have
anything that you wanted to add in or close up with?
Speaker 3 (56:27):
No, that's it. I can't wait to hear next week,
to hear the swamp gas. Oh that's what I'm waiting for.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
I'm super excited about it. Thanks again for being on Melissa,
and until next time, everybody.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
We'll see you by.
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Speaker 1 (01:13):
Everyone with Me again is miss list from Outrozetic Ghosts.
We are going to be hitting up I know, right,
part two, So if you haven't listened to the first part,
I know it didn't say part one, two and three
because I've decided that people don't listen as much when
you do that. Last week's episode was the Dexter UFO
sighting and just what they went through there, and this
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week we're gonna be talking about the next day the
town over in Hillsdale.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
There's another UFO sighting.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
But it gets crazy, so I wanted to make sure
that we again kept track as always.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Thank you again for being on.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Is there anything that's changed in the last week that
you have going on or anything?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Nope, just trying to catch up with episodes, all right.
I'm really thinking about going bi weekly because it's just
it feels like you are rushing episodes, and I think
they come out better if you have more time.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, I actually so, I have two things of notes.
I might actually do one with him in the near future,
so that'll cover one. I've got notes on another one
that's ready, and then I have notes that I'm working
on for a third. I've got the notes, it's just
getting the time to do it. Hopefully this will be
(02:29):
out and we'll get things going. But I guess we'll
just go ahead and dive right in. I'm pretty boring.
There's not a whole lot going on. I've got the
new job started and there's some stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, thanks right. The bathroom, I was like, hold on.
I was like, I'm gonna steal smooth before I go
in there and record.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
So I lean over and I give him a kiss,
and it seems like kissing the lights go off, like
the lamp next to my bed goes off.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
He's like, that was weird. I was like, yo, little bit, okay,
all right, so just so okay, back an action. Here
we go, all right.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
On March twenty first, nineteen sixty six, just one night
after the Manor of Family is terrifying encounter, the cool
spring night air wafted through the streets of another Michigan
town by the name of Hillsdale. Hillsdale, I keep what
it called like high heels. Unlike the sleepy town of
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Dexter Housing. It estimated three thousand or less souls that year.
Hillsdale was a bustling college town with what I would
guess to be at least double the population bringing that
city to life. So I'm from a tiny town. There's
ever many people here. There's twenty five hundred maybe in
my town, and just maybe half an hour down the road,
(03:46):
you've got a college town. I guess it's a town,
a college town, and they've got sixty plus thousand people there.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, I'm just assuming that it's the same setup.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
How many people do you have in your town.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Like between twenty and twenty five hundred for itty bitty.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, you're smaller than my town.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, it's like you blink in, We're not there anymore now.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Just like in the Dexter encounter, somewhere between nine and
ten pm that fateful night, the girls of the McIntyre
residence sat in their dorm rooms, no doubt turning in
for the night.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
So we got a dorm room lately coming in.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
It is unlikely that there was any ruckus in the
hall since Hillsdale College was founded, sorry, it was founded
and ran with high standards of.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Giving more of a prep.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
School kind of vibe than a typical party campus that
you would see today.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You said it's high heel town. Of course you.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I don't want to say, hoity twenty this is the
world'm looking for.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
They were very buttoned up, strict rules. Yes, they weren't
like a loose college that you would see today. Everything
was pretty much in a line. They did not do
co ed. I think the school was founded as being
female only, but it might have been at this time.
It might have been co ed, but they definitely did
not cohabitate.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Absolutely. Yeah, Oh Heaven.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Forbid in the sixtiesel, Good Lord, Heaven help us all
if there's a boy in there. That's why I'm also
assuming that nine or ten o'clock at night they're probably
all in at least in their dorm, if not in.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Bed reading their bibles.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yes, yes, I'm sure, of course.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Now this cross, this occurrence is the exact same night
as Dexter. Following night, oh, the following night. Okay, yep, sorry.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Dexter was on March twentieth. This one was on March
twenty first, and if the students there campus had made
it through a normal day, they were about to have
a vigorous case of the Mondays.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I don't know what dayly week it was, but the
we're gonna have a case of the Mondays. Real quick, Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Suddenly there was commotion as nearly eighty seven young women
called for others and rushed to their windows to witness
their own astonishing anomaly.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
An entire campus.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Saw.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
There's I mean everyone.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
It wasn't like oh a couple girls claimed, No, I'm
talking tons of students.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah, they hear what they saw.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, and they're back. Then you're like, okay, get know,
come look at this. Come look at the Susan. The
first people initially see it, and then they have enough
time to then get the other students over to be like, hey,
look at this ship.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
They would not be swearing.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Oh yeah, look at this wondrous thing in the sky Susan.
Gollie g I'm just like picturing an ascot.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I don't know why, but they all have ascots on
like little poodle skirts and ask us.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
But it was that fifties and sixties. I don't know
they or sixties like the tied eye peace signed girls.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
It's not like seven or people.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Is that the seventies or sixties? I don't know. I
wasn't around. That's before my time.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Sorry, anybody out there who knows, please don't at me.
So they start rushing over the windows. Lights flash in
the sky as yet another football shaped craft sped in
and hovered just above.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
The Okay Arboretum.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
This sounds like a really funny word about half a
mile from the dormitory full of stunned girls, I guess
women at this point, probably for anybody who's not familiar
within arboretum as I was not, is other verbiage for
a botanical garden that is devoted to tree life, and
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this particular one was nestled into a swampy area similar
to the atmosphere of the manor family's encounter, because theirs
was in a swampy portion of their property as well.
So basically you got a gardener trees, which I don't
know why they just call it a baby forest, makeshift forest,
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manufactured forests.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I don't know. So the football shaped object just hovered
over the swamp yep zips over and just hovers, but
it doesn't go down like the other one.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
This is just the bear nuts thing. We're gonna get
into a little bit more of what's happening with it.
This is just like initially comes in, zooms in and hovers.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's what they're seeing as of yet.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Okay, now, the best view of the events unfolding how
sophomore named Joseph fin Evans, who later gave a statement
to the Hillsdale Collegiate, and a crowd of other young
women of all ages. She goes out, she reports what
she saw to the local college gazette. And then it
wasn't just her, It was like a crowd of women
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were reporting these things. And Josephine recalled the initial approach
of the craft and this is going to be a
quote says, we suddenly spotted what appeared to be a
strange light in the arb. It was odd the way
the lights were, but it was also weird the way
the UFO traveled end quote. Right, So she's already labeling
UFO out the gate, which I find interesting for a
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button up college that the first thing they would go
to would be a UFO. But you know, but it
is a dorm made of Hers who was also the
writer of the article Convenient, was Gidget Cone.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, it's either Cone or con it's Kohin.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I'd just call her Gidget forget the yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Gidget now.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
She followed up by adding, quote, there was a glow
around it, and the lights of appeared to be pulsating.
The glow was gone, and there were three lights which
were yellow white, and then the middle one turned red,
and then one on the left. We watched for about
ten minutes, and then the objects seemed to move up
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and then to the right and left very slightly.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
All right, so.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Again same we got two lights on e one light
on either end and the light in the middle, and
she's saying they've got yellow and white, and then all
of a sudden, this middle one starts turning red, kind
of like your eyeball theory.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
This is so insane because that many people star it,
Because at first I was like racking my brain, like, okay,
it's the sixties, yep. Were there like a lot of
TV shows about aliens. What's pushing them? I don't really
know what happened in the sixties with aliens.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Which when was the War of the World that was
nineteen thirty eight.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Oh, then I talked about they already had the.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Betty and Barney Hill Roswell was what forty I think,
right or eight forty eight.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
I know nothing about aliens. I don't even know about
Roswell story.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Okay, So there's just there's been plenty of encounters that
were very popular up into this point, Like by the
time you hit sixty six, you had quite a.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Few well known ones. I would believe that you're gonna
make me question it.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
No, because right now, if you have that many people
that are seeing the same.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Look at me.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Roswell incident started in nineteen forty seven, so we have
that one, and then we have Betty and Barney Hill
was in nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
So we've got some very prominent UFO.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And alien based encounters and abduction experiences that happened up
into sixty six.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So it's not like it was a brand new idea.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
But then again, you see a flying football the size
of a car, I don't know what else you could
even possibly think that it could be at that point.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Some kind of military thing is what I'm thinking. If
there's any military bases in that area.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Oh, I should have asked, hold up, okay, I'm gonna
go ask refest. I have a military guy in the
other room told okay, I have used my phone a
friend or as audience lifeline. So there are multiple bases
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in Michigan.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Oh that that's a lot of doubt on this for me.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, So I wasn't sure, but my source says, I'm
a freaking reporter.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I cannot name my source, but he says, this.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Very handsome source I have in the other room say anyway,
nice one, but anyway, so yes, there, I guess there's
multiple up in Michigan. I don't know how close they
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are to dexter to me, but this is the only
thing I want to take away for we'll analyze more
than at the end. But so we have another football shape,
we have the same colored lights. They're still flashing. We
have the two light on either end, light in the middle,
and all of that. So I just want to make
sure that we are all on the same page. If
you again, go listen to the last week's episode if
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you want to hear about that, because there's also the
photo and the social media posts and we do more
of a description on.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
There, and Gidget confirmed it.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, Gidget says the gidget. Oh my god, the gidget
is that. Oh love it.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But anyway, so fear began to increase as the illuminated
ship crept ever closer to the dormitory. Amidst the panic,
some of the young women had the wherewithal to call
for help on a rotary phone, fingers shaking while trying
not to miss the buttons on the rotary phone, they
attempted to soothe themselves enough to explain to the man
that they were in dire need of assistance. The man
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they contacted in their time of need was William van Horn.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
God, I love it. The Hillsdale County Civil Defense Director.
That's a cool title.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Defense director. I know, right, he doesn't sound like he
can do anything but step behind a desk.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
But hold on, notice the verbiage.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
So I'm thinking they must be pretty close to some
military bases for it to be the County Civil Defense Director.
I could be wrong, but it does makes sense. Okay,
I might just be talking about my ass which I
probably am. I just had that case Ventura when he's
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like talking with his butt cheeks. Van Horn answers a
call and instructs the girls to continue to monitor the
mysterious lights.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
That's his directions.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Hang tis call back if it doesn't get better or
it gets worse, Like that doctor when you have a rash.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I don't know, just keep an eye on it, call
back if it doesn't go away.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
That's the worst advice ever, But go ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, So they end him calling back, obviously, and this
time he hopped in his police cruiser and headed over
to the college, more than likely expecting a timid building
filled with bored young girls, trapped by din mothers and
a curfew who simply just called to pass the time.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That's probably what he's thinking, right.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I can't believe he waited, but yeah, that's probably what
he's thinking.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
It's the sixties.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
It was a different time, but I'm not gonna say
it's that much better now.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
They couldn't do anything. They were seen as like these weak,
feeble things, exactly scared. I'm surprised they didn't go out
and be like, oh my gosh, I'll protect you.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
They called, Oh maybe it's a it's about a hysteria.
They're just ragging. No, it's stu shit.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
So I could see them not taking them seriously because
it's a college dorm room full of young women, and
chase it. It was the sixties.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Upon arrival, van Horn threw the car and park and paused,
staring in disbelief at the astonishing light show that was
still happening.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Next time, believe women right, Lights of.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Various colors and intensities dance in the sky and unpredictable patterns.
Van Horn was not the only law man who bore
witness to the potentially extraterrestrial disissentric object. That's Hillsdale Police
duo Harold Hess and Jerry Wise.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Oh my god, this is the movie, right, it's gotta
be a movie.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
We're on Aysan Wise are on the case.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah and Wise. It sounds like a law firm in
corporate es.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I'm hungry.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
But they were on their typical patrol when something got
their attention, regardless of the mind gap between them. By
the College, there was an object floating at a low
altitude that the men described as so bright they couldn't
look directly at it. The brave officers sped over to
the arboretum, where they were able to see the craft
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that was emitting such extraordinary lights. In an interview with
previously mentioned Gidget Has went on the record saying it
wasn't a chopper. There was no humming. I took my
weapon out. Jerry told me to put it back. Whatever
it is, I don't think it'll bother it one bit.
What you've got at your side, Jerry.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Told me, when you said it wasn't a chopper, I
don't know why I heard that voice.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I did too. I'm so damn yeah, straight up in
my mind.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I just love how it's it's the sixties and he's
a good old boy.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I'm sure it's get my weapon and he's bro.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Put the gun away, whatever is doesn't give a shit
about your gun.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Just put it away, man, someone's gonna get hurt. So, like,
did you have a series, what was it?
Speaker 3 (18:09):
The Town? They know, the movie The Town when they
were robin and they had all the masks on and stuff. Oh,
there's an officer that's sitting there read a newspaper and
he just turns his head to the right. I saw nothing, dude.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, exactly like that. That's what I thought was crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
So immediately following this exchange, the light separated and shot
off into two different directions, causing even the police radio
transmitters to malfunction.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
When Hess and Wise ran back to their car to
call for assistance, they were met with nothing but static.
The officers froze with fear as the hairs on the
back of their necks stood on end, with the realization
that they may have to face this dilemma on their own.
Just then, the lights zipped off into the east and
faded to nothing. Moments later, there was a spark of
what was described as a blue green whitish light, before
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completely dissipating around five point thirty the next morning, never
to return. We're gonna take a pause there. This started
at nine or ten o'clock at night. The one in
the college, they said they sat and watched it for
ten minutes, ten solid minutes of this thing hovering after
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it zipped in. And then we have the other ones
that it's a mile down the road. They're seeing a craft.
That's it's so bright. So then they get closer they
see that it's a craft, and then it splits into two,
does its little dance, and then it just let's see.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
You said, does it come back together?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
That's what I had my question about. Oh it split.
I didn't get what was happening.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Then yeah, so it said after he was like, dude,
put your gun away. It splits into two and shoots
off another direction, so it out both sides are different directions.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It doesn't have to be like polar opposites. But when
it does.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
That, it malfunctioned all the transmitters to the radios.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
They couldn't call out. It was like when you typically
hear of.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Radios may functioning, your car dies before an abduction, your
cell phone doesn't work, which was pretty much all the
time nowadays. But it does have a lot of electromagnetic
effect and a lot of wavelinks and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
It has effects on just in general.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
I'm just trying to see when the light goes. You
could see the ship and the light and then just
the light goes or everything goes. Oh, I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
From what I've gathered, it was the one group saw
the craft and the whole nine. The officers initially saw
a light that was so bright they couldn't see, but
then it says before that, let's see here, they went
over to the place where it was hovering and they
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were able to see the craft with all the light
show going on then, which I'm guessing, so if you
have the football shape and you have the eye in
the middle, but you have the lights on either side,
I'm wondering if they were so bright, I wonder if
it's either split or maybe it actually this would be
the thing because remember in Dexter, at one point it
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just all the lights were gone.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
It just and was done.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
It didn't fizzle, it didn't fade, it didn't anything. It
was just like light and then blank zip and it
was done. So my thing would be, what if the
lights on either side are not adhered to the craft.
What if they're like sensors or something that they can
shoot off, or like droids back in the sixties, and
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they could shoot the lights off, because that would explain
why two of them went opposite directions or went two
different directions, and then maybe the middle piece turned off
like it did in Dexter, so they didn't see it,
and then maybe they came back or there was that
extra spark at the end, maybe that was the thing
turning back on and then it just fizzles.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
So be in the annoying skeptic what reason would the
military planes have for hovering over swamps. We don't know
they're military, I'm saying if if they are not UFOs
in their military, if it was military. If we're going skeptic.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Sally here, what if they were running some kind of
craft that ran off water and the closest that they
had in that area were the swamps, or what if
there was some kind of mineral or algae or something
that the craft they were trying to utilize in that
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area that it would then have to go.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Get.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
That's not the word I was looking for, but get
is essentially it harvest. Or maybe they were just looking
for a place in the middle of fuck Egypt and
they're like, nobody's gonna be at the swamp. We can
test our craft over there. Although the one right as
to the college wouldn't have been the best VID.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yes, what I was gonna say, with all the girls
faces pressed against the glass.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Skeptic Sally says, it's nine ten o'clock at night. These
girls should be in bed. What else are they gonna
be doing with their life because they don't have a
man to cook dinner for or whatever?
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Ohing yep.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, So that's just what's going on with that one.
As far as that goes, I don't think they would
have picked a college town, but I don't know. Now
we can dig more into that here in a second.
I've just got a little bit left here of the
actual notes to go, and then we could just break
it down. After the story of Hillsdale hit the press,
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the Michigan encounters became a nationwide attention grabber, and more
reports trickled in. Over the next week, many other residents
and Dexter and Hillsdale stood in awe before they began
phoning in report of strange sounds being inmitted from flying
objects in the sky accompany accompanied by unexplained and rather
erratic lights in the night of March twenty second, so
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this is two nights after the initial On March twenty third,
in Monroe eighteen was ready watching with wonders. They whipped
out their trusty camera and snapped some photos of a
saucer they saw overhead. However, no one set eyes on
the actual original photo as far as I can find.
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As far as I can find, nobody could say that
they've seen the actual photo. But more shenanigans were underway
in the evening of March twenty fourth, around six fifteen pm.
Robert Nichols and his wife. I hate when they do that.
She has a name.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Anyway, Robert Nichols.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
And wife, who were disrespectfully this is literally where I
put his wife who was disrespectfully unnamed, were cruising the
highway as they did hundred times before.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
She should have been vacuuming.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, that she was. She was being a passenger. Princess
Oh Okay, so she was woman drivers, No they can't.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You know that it used to be illegal for a
woman to ride in a car or drive a car
without a.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Jacket because it was considered to be improper.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
I did not, but oh my goodness, thankfully that was
the law.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Didn't matter if it was one hundred degrees outsideh better
be wearing her jacket.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
That's insane. Yeah, I can't believe that there was a
time where like, you couldn't even have your own credit card.
You'd have to have missus.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Miss like that could be any woman anyway.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Gross, it's yeah, we're deciding to get into that. But
so they're cruising down cool night air, no doubt, whipping
in their hair as they listened to the Golden Oldies
and marital bliss. We're gonna assume for the better portion.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Here.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Things got real when object about half the size of
their car went zooming across the highway about two hundred
feet or you're welcome sixty one meters.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
And this is what they see. They're going through boom.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
They account this thing about half the size of their
car shoots across the road through their headlights and gone,
no light show. No how rain know anything, but we're
gonna leave you off on that because, like I said,
there wasn't much with this one. It was literally those
two saw it. They reported that they saw it.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I wanted to know that.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
The same time frame here. It was going so fast
that it didn't give a good description. They just saw
something fly across the road that was huge.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
It doesn't say how fast.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
It does say two hundred feet one is six fifteen
in the afternoon.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
We'll say two hundred feet in front. That makes more sense. Now.
That was that encounter, And so we're gonna dive in.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
We're just gonna go through this and try to see
if we can make sense of any of this, and
then next week we're going to wrap it up with
some information about the investigation and the man who actually
headed up most of it, and how they coined the
term swamp gas.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
We're gonna go over that next time.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I know we've been dropping some little breadcrumbs over the
last couple of weeks about the swamp and all of that,
but it's gonna get into more detail next week.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But let's go back here to the beginning.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
We have a whole dormitory full of college kids, which
then too, it's the sixties. I feel like if you
were a woman in college in the sixties, you were
not messing around. You were there for business. Was like,
I better get my shit together. I got to get
this degree. Like I could be wrong. I don't know
what the sixties were like, but given the atmosphere that
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they portrayed in this particular college, My sister went to
college at Saint Mary's of the Woods, and it gives
me a very much same vibe. It's a Christian college
or whatever gives me the same feel that this college does.
So many people had seen it. They were all reporting
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Then they called.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
The officer gets in his car, drives there, and he
sees it with his own two eyes, probably feels like
a giant arse, or i'd hope he does. How do
you feel or what do you think about just that
piece alone?
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I think he is an arse because he didn't go
out until the second phone call. But I think that
there definitely was something because the fact that many people
saw it, and you have law enforcement coming in that
also saw it and other people reporting it. Now the areas,
I don't believe the ones that report it like the
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ones that call immediately when it's happening, I believe, But
you know how all the neighborhoods people would be like,
oh yeah, I saw that yesterday too, but they didn't
report it at the time like that. I don't believe
none of them. Shut up.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yeah, I don't recall anything being in the papers. There
was no notoriety for anybody necessarily other than like a
few names.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
It's just like I said, it's a roomful of people.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Then there's like the sheriff, the officers, the government employees.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
That were named.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
The other ones were not, except the girl that wrote
the paper. And let's just be honest.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
You were reporter. You were wanting attention anyway. So there's that.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I need to look and see how far apart these
towns are. It might not have traveled that far.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I'm talking.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So we had Dexter one night, then we have Hillsdale
and Hilldale's happening in the same night. All of these
the college town, the sheriff or the civil defense director,
and then the two officers. All of those happened on
the same night. So there's no way they could have
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fed off the other one. Does that make sense yet?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I'm not. I'm saying I believe these people, And it's
the people days later the thing like this that are like,
oh yeah, I heard that too, Oh yeah I saw
that too. Those I don't believe. But the amount for
that night, I definitely think that there was something there.
I don't know if it was a UFO, I don't
know if it was military. I don't know what it was,
but I think that there definitely was something in the sky.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I'm leaning towards if there was something football shaped, which
again I feel like if you see something football shaped
from the side, it's probably in all reality a saucer
shape as a whole. You're just getting the side view,
and it's just like a fat foot, like a fat
saucer instead of it being like a pancake, but.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
No tilting. You know that.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
It's just like boom light shows zip in. This one
didn't even zip around as much until the end. It
was basically just it zipped in, it hovered, did some
disco light thing going on, and then well, I said,
the other officers see it splits them to two.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Granted, I don't know if the two side lights came
out ejected and maybe they were doing some kind of
oh my gosh, I lost my brain in my chain.
Oh thank you, Yes, like a grid, like doing some
kind of scan or something like that, and maybe the
main piece unlit or because I don't see how it
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could split. I don't know how it works, but it's
splitting into two doesn't make any sense. But if there
was something that looked like that in the in sixty six,
that means that odds are that was it, because you
have everything from Roswell to all back, way way back.
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We have saucers again, right, originally there's saucers, And if
it was military, I feel like it would have advanced
a little further than just another a fatter saucer. And
I don't know what the military uses, what they don't use,
thank god, oh kind of information, but I feel like
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we would have a lot more stuff nowadays that looks
more like a saucer.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Then that might have been just that, just them testing out, Okay,
we had this before, let's make it wider, let's do this,
let's do that and see what works and what doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, I just I guess.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
I just feel like either there would be another branch
or something similar to it had they successfully done anything,
because at this point, they've already got like twenty some
years in to try to reverse engineer whatever the hell
they found in like the forties or the thirties, and
I just feel like there'd be something that we have
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that looks more Saucer esque.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
But this could have been an attempt and then with
any organization than the minute a new person comes in,
they're like, oh, scrap it, this is my way. Yeah,
and at some point it could have just been totally changed.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Okay, yeah, that does make sense, having the shift change
and yeah, okay, I get you in that.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
We'll hop on that bandwagon. I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
That's why I was just like, what the hell? They
all report the same lights, like the same colored lights.
They have the one in the middle of the two
on the side, we have yellow, white red. Initially, that's
all you're hearing through the whole thing until you get
to the very end, the very end of the Hillsdale encounter,
there was that blue green white ish and it just
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like it just said spark.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
It dissipated and was gone.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
So we have white, yellow, red, and then blue green white.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Yeah, because they were flashing, and that's what all of them.
And I think I have to go back and look.
I'm trying to remember if the Dexter encounter had the
circular light in the middle being red as well, because
I know the Hillsdale did, because.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
It never said that there was red all over it.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
There was also only two people that witnessed the craft
like firsthand, and honestly, they probably weren't paying attention.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
They're probably sot up a bit. They're too busy shitting
their pants with.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Their little flashlights. They're handing any flashlights, huh. And I
guess so. The other thing, too, is the one piece
missing from Hillsdale is they did not mention the checkered
or quilted pattern like they had in Dexter. But nobody
was as close as the Manners were to that one.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say. So, I
don't know. I want to blindly believe alien stuff, but
it's so hard to.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I'm literally watching a Resident Alien right now.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I love that show, Bridget That's what we were watching
literally before I came out here, and it's just cracking
me up.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
But I just.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
If it's the first couple few days and they're not
like releasing it to the press, they're not doing all
of these things. It's hard for me to be like
to totally disregard everybody else who reported something over the
next couple of days, because if it's like me, literally,
I have said that happens in my own town, and
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I am in town, and I have no idea until
somebody brings it up like a week later, and I'm like, wait, what,
no idea? That was the slice clue we gonna have a
building burned out of my town.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
I would have no idea.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
So you think that they weren't sharing this enough that's
why they didn't get more.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Well, what I'm thinking is I would.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I'm hesitant to not believe every extra account after the fact,
because I know that in some cases people might they
really just probably didn't hear about it, and they might
have still witnessed something without being influenced by the other
encounters in the area.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Oh gotcha.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
There are those that do jump on the bandwagon and say,
oh yeah, me too, I saw this, I did that, whatever.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Too. Better I didn't have read it back then, huh.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
I know, did you read this?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I read it? So what do you think?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I find it very fascinating that town's over same environment,
same shape craft same colored lights, and to me, there's
too many similarities between the two and such a short
time for it to not have some kind of gusto.
I don't know what it was, but it was something.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
But why the swamps.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
So one of the theories that people came across was
that they were using the water to something in the water,
or the water itself to refuel or maybe what if
it's like I said, okay, so what okay, but.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Before you get into it, did the second one go
down as low as it hovered?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
It hovered over and I remember, let me see if
it tells me, let me go back, because I know
it hovered over it.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Oh, so it'd be hard for them to know.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
So it was about half a mile from the dormitory
that they're viewing this.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Thing, okay, And then.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
The ones that got a better look at it were
hess and wise yelling it, let's see here.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
And it just says they saw the craft, But it
doesn't say how far it was from the ground or anything.
It just says they were able to see it. So
I don't know how how low to the ground it was.
It couldn't land anyway if it's in a swamp.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yes, like How is it getting the water even if
it needs it? Is it having a straw come down?
I don't understand.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
There were the two little legs that came out of
the Dexter craft. What if those were.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
What if those weren't legs or landing gears or whatever.
What if they were meant to suck something up?
Speaker 3 (38:30):
The aliens are up there sucking it like they're siphoning gas.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Oh my god, I just had deja vu.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
That is the weirdest thing to swear that you've heard
you say before, Mace. Yes, I literally just got the
exact same picture in my head that I've had before,
and I'm pretty sure that was exactly what you said.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Is weird? That is so weird. But yeah, it's essentially
just if there's or the chug, it's like a reverse keg.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Stand But what if it is something, because it would
make sense that they're not going because in Michigan you
do have the big lakes and a lot of people
do report a lot of stuff over there at that lake,
and that's different type of water than say a marsh
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swampy area. So what if it runs on some you know,
and there's all kinds of species in theory that come down.
What if one of them runs primarily on some kind
of organic matter that's more of a vegetative state and
less aquatic.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (39:43):
So they're looking for like algae, Yeah, what if.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
It's the moss or the algae or whatever that's in
there that has what they need as opposed to just
being water or salt water or whatever. All right, so
what if it is, because then that would make sense.
It was nobody was close enough to it. And again
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this happened at night, so even the ones said they
were so bright they couldn't see it for a hot minute.
It was just too bright to even look at. So
even if it was sucking anything up, or maybe maybe
the heat.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Oh here we go.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Even if it was say hovering, if it generated heat
and the heat went over the marsh and they were
getting the vapors, they literally got the vapis or that
any air, maybe they wouldn't have to see anything getting
sucked up because it would just automatically turn into mist
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or fog or whatever. Maybe they were just testing it.
Those little sticks at the bottom were probes, because we
do that. They stick these little they look like little
they're like sticks with balls at the end and they
have sensors in them and you stick it into air
and it'll tell you what's in the air, if there's
like contaminant contaminants and how much and all of that.
Like we have that now as humans. We can do that,
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I know cause I said, we're in a place where
he did it. Or they can stick the probe into
water and tell you, like your fish tank, to tell
you how's the acidity, what's this?
Speaker 2 (41:15):
What's that? What should you put in your tank? What
if you have?
Speaker 1 (41:18):
You hear a lot of stories about aliens that come
out and they always see them taking rocks or dirt
or but they need everything, right, you don't just want
the dirt. So what if these people were just they
were just the moss testers. You're gonna go into the swamp.
We want to know what's up with this area, and
they were just testing that, which is whether it's yeah,
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they didn't have to land because they didn't need soil samples.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
They just needed either air or water or something.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (41:48):
What do you think that they came here just to
get samples.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Maybe they never landed so they didn't have any intention
of getting off the craft.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
I they I always hear so many weird stories about
aliens living underwater.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Yes, usually it's in the ocean, though usually I think
actually up in the lakes by Michigan.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
I think they do have some that say that they
are in and out of the water, don't they.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I'm telling you, I know nothing about aliens. I know
et and resident alien. That's about it.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
There's a lot in the ocean that they say are
like bases underwater and everything. I have a hard time
believing that. Now, granted I don't know how deep the
lakes are, but I have a hard time believing anything
could being a lake that we are not aware.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Of at that size. Yeah, but it's not to say
that there's not.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
It's just that I have a hard time grasping it enclosed,
even though it is a very vast enclosed amount of
water or amount of enclosed water. I feel like there's
anything underground is probably in the ocean and not wouldn't
be in the swamp because I feel like that would
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draw quite a bit of a tensent.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Do you think that these were young aliens and they're like,
we got to get our own place. We don't want
to live near Mom and Dad and they went to
check it out to see if they can make a
little apartment under there.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I'm picturing, what is it divergent? You put the helmet on,
whatever you do it, it tells you which, okay, hogwarts,
you have gryffindor gryffindor yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Gryffindor So. What if it's just they put their sorty.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Hat on and they're like MOS's House, Walter House, and
then you have the rock House.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Then it's just something like that. What if it's just
that's just their job.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
It's you go and you can be a medical assistant
or an r in or a doctor or a technician.
There's different choices. What if it's just it was some
guy that's you know what.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Maybe it is. Maybe it's the extraterrestrial version of flipping a.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
Burger at MacDonald's and they're just like, FuG it, we
just gotta go around this damn swamp and get the
sample and get out of there.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
I said, it never stops Mount Shasta. I don't know
if you ever heard of that.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I have heard of that.
Speaker 3 (44:20):
Yes, and they're supposedly aliens in there, so if they
can live in like volcanoes and mountains then why not swamps?
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Now? Is it that they live in it or is
that just the entry way and exit both?
Speaker 3 (44:37):
I think it was supposed to beat up what's the other?
Oh gosh in Earth? No, it was, Oh my gosh,
what's the place that's supposed to no longer exists? They
did before. There were two areas that like fought each other.
Huh oh no, Oh my gosh, you're gonna make me
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look this up.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
Sorry, the two things? That don't you mean? Like the
are we talking about alien species?
Speaker 3 (45:12):
I am the worst. Give me one second. Oh my gosh,
why can't I find it? You know this thing too?
Speaker 2 (45:22):
I know I probably do. The two things one doesn't
exist anymore.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
They both, I think, don't. It was like, oh my gosh,
why can't I find we're talking.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
About real people or are we talking about alien stuff?
Speaker 3 (45:33):
Alien stuff? But people stuff like the like the Aztecs,
No Limerians and what's the other one?
Speaker 2 (45:43):
The Marians?
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Is it the Samerians?
Speaker 2 (45:47):
I don't know that sounds right.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
It's like the last continent of Limeria, which is supposed
to be but they fought somebody else Atlantis. Oh my god, yes,
I don't know why that was escaping me something to
do with aliens limerians do though I thought they were aliens?
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Does it? Oh?
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Those are just people like the people see I'm telling you,
I don't know anything about aliens. I'm the worst person
to have on this episode.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
That was awesome. It's like, that's the wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Melissa, Okay, to right, I'm back.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Oh my gosh, we needed that. That's good. I needed that.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Oh good gravy that makes this up. I could see
there being both, maybe not murd people. Guess the other
thing too, is it's like people are like, oh, yeah,
the la City of Atlantis sank, and.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Then there was like mur people. I'm like, wait, whoa.
So you're telling me.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
And it's SpongeBob that's what did it. It's a SpongeBob
movie and messed everybody up. That's what I think of too.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Barnacle Boy, murmaid Man, Barkle Boy.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
But I'm just saying, if this happened, I'm like, so
you're saying that in one day people grew give and
learn how to breathe underwater.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
No one points that out. They just go with it.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
But I guess it could be military experiments with crafts,
because there are multiple.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
I just haven't heard anything that makes it like more
alien than military right now.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
I'd say probably the zipping off like this.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
But who's to saying, can you tell me that everything
that the military has tested or is testing now?
Speaker 1 (47:40):
I'm saying for something to go against our knowledge of
physics would be something that would not be man made.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
But how can you guarantee that they haven't done that before.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
I'm pretty sure if somebody was going that fast that
I think about the people that broke was at back
five or whatever that was they were all about. I
just like totally stuttered.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
That was weird.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
But did they say it was that fast or did
the light blind the people for a second so it
could take off?
Speaker 2 (48:13):
They just kept saying zipping.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
I don't know how fast zipping is though, but the
way it sounded and Dexter was like you said, it
was like left. Actually this one did left right up
down like it was doing patterns. And at the time,
to the best of our knowledge, there was nothing that
we had that could maneuver that fast and that.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Effectively like that.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
We had things that took a solid minute to turn around,
you know, what I mean, like, it couldn't even you
couldn't even just turn around.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
You had to go in a big old loop to
get turned around.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
But if it is that shape that you just said,
like a flying saucer, it could go left to right
very easily in that shape versus a plane trying.
Speaker 2 (48:53):
To do that, depending on the propulsion method method.
Speaker 3 (48:59):
Yeah, but I'm saying, and we're used to seeing planes
and how fast they take to turn.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah. I just.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
I have a really hard time believing that us as
humans have created anything like that thus far and today,
let alone in sixty six.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
Well, I'll believe you because I know nothing about aliens except.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
For what you're killing me.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
I go to mermaids. I guess that was perfect.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I can't even I'm trying to feel like, is there
a way I could link mer people to aliens? And
I'm like, I've got nothing. Maybe a ship dropped off,
their capsule was full of water and or and then
the pod is opened up in the water, and then
we have murd people.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
Boom.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
They have the aquatic ape.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Theory that you know is that you don't know the
aquatic Oh, so you have the apes, and then we
supposedly evolved from apes, went to land, and then we
lost our hair and all that stuff. But there's a
theory where we at one point a branch of us
went back to the water and became like an aquatic ape,
(50:15):
which would be kind of like a Mr.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Person, did you like how that was politically correct?
Speaker 3 (50:21):
Person? Person?
Speaker 2 (50:23):
But yeah, it was like that that.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
A group of them either went back or at some
point the evolutionary process just went down that road into
aquatic ape instead of coming onto land, kind of like
how whales used to be on land.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Never heard that they evolved and then went back into
the water.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
To your point, how do you grow fins? Like, how
do you how does any of that happen?
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Aquatic ape theory is not the immediate thing that was
That is a one hundred people.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
Would have to die like daily to evolve.
Speaker 1 (50:59):
If that's the case, Yeah, I'm saying a quiteic ape
theory is not that at all. It is literally the
same time it took us to get to where we
are today from the original. It's just the tree split
at the beginning and one went our direction and one
went water based.
Speaker 3 (51:15):
I'm just picturing like colonies throwing people in the water.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Or they just flood the whole town just to get
you used to walking around in water all the time.
And then they just increase the water level every one
hundred and fifty years or something, or I guess a hundred,
or I guess it'd be a lot. It'd be like
a million years or something. So you start with the
gills on your feet or flippers or something.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Oh my gosh, I'm still So you get to like
your belly button, and then you'll have fins, but you
still have hands. Yeah, okay, what.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Does a picture breathing underwater problem? Though? No?
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Okay, okay, let's go back Hillsdale. I will say this, Yes,
I very trifili like to stay pretty skeptical. I will
say I one hundred percent believed that these people saw something.
Something physical was there. There are two many encounters that
(52:18):
are too similar and too short a time for it
to not be taken seriously. So they saw something. Now,
whether it was extraterrestrial or not, I do not know.
For the timeframe. I would say some of the things
like the zipping around and the splitting of the lights,
and then it just like all that stuff, I feel
like that's not something that we weren't there in sixty six.
(52:45):
There was no landing, No one saw a creature. There
was nobody seen in the bubble on top of the craft.
There was no silhouette, nothing that insinuated an actual being
was even flying the thing.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
I definitely believe that something was seen that day, but
I think the government keeps way too many secrets yep
that don't get released for years, so I can't fully
discount that it wasn't some kind of governmental military or when.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
I found out there was a bunch of bases, I'm like, oh, okay,
Like that kind of knocked me down a few pegs.
Before that, I was all for aliens, and I'm like
it could be. All I know is that they saw
something that does not match anything else that we are
aware of existing in that timeframe that is man made.
Speaker 3 (53:42):
Okay, I'll give you that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (53:44):
So if I had to throw a percentage on it,
I don't know, I'd say I'm probably a sixty forty
with sixty being extraterrestrial, but maybe seventy thirty man, No,
sixty forty sixty forty.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
I'm about a night ninety military ten extraterrestrial.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
And this is where we don't agree, folks, I mean,
it's hard to tell. Like I said, it's on one
hand you have all the encounters, but it doesn't necessarily
mean that it's extraterrestial. It's not like they saw a
gray alien or something in it or something came out
of it. It was literally just the craft and the
light show, all of which we had except for the
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splitting and all of that.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
But like you said, it could have been drones coming
off and if you see in light in drones.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah, but did we have drones in the sixties.
Speaker 3 (54:36):
I'm sure that military did. I don't know how good
the cameras and everything on them would be, but.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
That mindus.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
The maneuverability about the object. That's what's getting me is.
Speaker 3 (54:51):
But you've only said like up down left and too fast.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
I'm not really hearing it's like erratic fast. It's not
like it's rhythmic and the movements.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
But I feel like that we didn't have anything that
could up downside like super fast at the time that
we know of that we know of exactly.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
Again, skeptic skeptic Sally, that's me.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Skeptic Susie and I can be skeptic Sally, you.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
Can be skeptics susy gidget.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
But all right, I can't think of anything to go
with the gus sound though, gosh, darn gidget, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
But yeah, that's where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
So I guess we could just wrap this up from
there and then everybody could just kind of.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
Let us know. You know, what do you guys think
it is?
Speaker 1 (55:43):
What's your percentage of extraterrestrial to military? Potentially? Any other
comments of stuff. Feel free to, like I said, leave
it on the pot or you could email it and
all that stuff. You can reach us on all our
social medias too.
Speaker 3 (55:58):
And let's not mock Melissa too much for the whole
Lamaran but not really.
Speaker 1 (56:06):
I want to hear somebody make a comment about Melissa's
aliens of Atlantis. That means a whole different meaning to
the word ancient aliens. But all right, do you have
anything that you wanted to add in or close up with?
Speaker 3 (56:27):
No, that's it. I can't wait to hear next week,
to hear the swamp gas. Oh that's what I'm waiting for.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
I'm super excited about it. Thanks again for being on Melissa,
and until next time, everybody.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
We'll see you by.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
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