September 17, 2025 • 55 mins
Natty and Miss Liss explore bizarre and eerie topics including hysterical pregnancy, a religious miracle birth, a cult leader's baby trafficking scheme, and the unnervingly lifelike world of reborn dolls. They also tackle urban legends, internet hoaxes, and the psychological phenomenon of uncanny valley, all while weaving humor and incredulity into these unsettling tales.
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(01:14):
Everyone with me again is Missless from Ouches out a ghost,
and I'm gonna have to get used to say something different.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, thank you for having me on again.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh much, appreciate it. It's always a blast having you on,
so I'm definitely okay with that. So yeah, I'm I'm pumped.
I'm pumped because I always get excited when I record
with you, so it's always a good time. Woo. So
we're we're winging it today for the norm we wing
it a lot, I've decided, and I found some interesting
(01:48):
stuff here again. It's back in Hippo eats dwarf aside
from apparently there's some water or something going on with
my book, but that doesn't affect the quality of what's inside,
so we went ahead just pick that. And I know
some people are a little finicky about certain topics. It
just kind of grosses them out. So men, ahead of time,
get over yourselves. It'll be fine. You don't have to
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experience this the way that we have to experience it
for starters. And it kind of worked out because there's
been a lot of people around me that have been
finding out that they are housing a mini somebody inside
of their bodies.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Ooh, you better be careful, you might catch it.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
No if I yeah, ah, it hates us like it
literally just like stopped it. It was like Internet is unstable.
I was like you were at Scallion. So again, Hippoa's
dwarf and we are in reality. Rule one point six
is where we're starting. There's gonna be a couple rules
that we're gonna cover because they are shorter, but they're
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definitely just as interesting as it was before. And it
is when seeking medical advice about birth, it's better to
rely on a doctor than a backthrow miracle worker, all right,
which sounds sketchy, right, like that backwoods or back door. Wow,
(03:13):
we all know what I was doing last night.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
My gosh, oh Jesus, all right, So we have like
always there's usually like a little vocab.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Mixed in with kind of the stories and all of that.
So our word here is hysterical pregnancy, which is a
noun and says a medical condition in which a woman
falsely believes she is pregnant, sometimes to the point of
developing pregnancy symptoms, like swear that you're pregnant, but you
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take a test and everything's negative. Or I've even heard
of people even gaining weight, like they look pregnant.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I've heard of this and I've seen people that this
has happened to.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, like they look pregnant, they act pregnant, they go
in for a screen and nothing, and I just I
can't even like that is so unfortunate for me, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I think that's purely psychological though, isn't it. And it's
just like, yeah, you think it's so hard, so but
it's it's bizarre that it can mess with your hormones
and stuff and like stop your periods and do all that,
like you have that much power in your brain. The
brain is insane.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, it's I was just talking to somebody the other day.
I was like, our bodies can handle some stuff for real,
Like I know of a person who their brain was
messed up, obviously, and I would say, oh, yeah, normals
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different for every person, but no, there was something very
wrong here. This person literally took a table saw and
cut their own hands off in one of their feet
what Yeah, and survived. You know, this person not personally,
but I do know it was one hundred percent a
real person and it really happened. It was so bizarre.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I don't even know what to say to that.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And from what I gathered, they were able to reattach
the appendages all but like one.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Do the nerves still work? Like did they connect them?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I don't know. They went to a different location that
was better suited for that type of trauma.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Imagine the pain and then to continue on to the
next appendage.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Like for me, it's not only imagine the pain. Imagine
the pain, and you are doing it to yourself, not
like someone's forcing you or anything like that where you
don't have a choice. That's happening regardless. I mean, you
literally have the gusso to continue to do it to yourself.
At any point you could stop, and you continue to
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do it. Why it was their version of wanting to
leave this realm.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It just seems like such a harder way to do it, right,
But I was like, how did they survive? Your body's
funny too, because you can go into shock, but the
blood loss is still blood loss because exactly I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
But I guess they were getting blood pumped into them
like the whole time, and it was just bizarre. But anyway,
back to babies.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
That's a segue that seguay or with.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Death comes life is the way I look at it.
We'll put it that way.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So this one's labeled miracle birth, and it says during
the summer of two thousand and four, hundreds of Muslims
flocked to West German University clinic to see a woman
who had given birth to all his chosen son. It
says their source for this information a rumor posted on
a Turkish internet site. Because that sounds reliable, They had
read it online, so of course it had to be true, right, right.
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So the woman was said to have been burn across
her entire body except for her tatas while giving birth,
and to have died from all of the wounds. She
had then been buried, but was dug up when someone
realized that Allah had brought her back to life so
that she could breastfeed the Messiah for forty days before dying. Again,
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what this is already so weird? This is just the beginning.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Oh okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
The staff at the German clinic were at first confused,
then amused, and then frightened by the steady stream of pilgrims.
Some had traveled all the way from the Netherlands to
come see the spectacle. Eventually, the clinic hired extra security
to turn away pilgrims who refused to believe that there
really truly was no wish. There's no one there matching
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the description of all his chosen son and his mother.
This case illustrates that this is supposedly an age of
science and reason, but also an age of faith, and
many people are quite willing to believest supernatural forces can
intervene directly with the process of birth. So that's one case, supposedly,
but it also is already instigating there, or already insinuating
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that there's no evidence. Right, there's nobody here by that description.
All these people are showing up, but they're trying to
get rid of them. So at least that one's not
really holding a lot of water to start with, because
that would be pretty far fetched. I'm still just like, oh, well,
everybody believes their own thing. But oddly enough. In two
thousand and four also saw the bizarre case of Archbishop
Gilbert Deya and his Holy ghost babies.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Gilbert Deya, I'm just gonna leave that pond, that's it,
and his.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Holy ghost babies, all right, This self styled arc bishop
he gave himself that you know name, which means that
he's probably a psychopath at this point, right, because that's
what serial killers do. They give themselves their own names before.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
You start a cult.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's a good point. Sorry people, goodness
all right. But anyway, so he convinced numerous female followers
in Britain that they had been impregnated by Jesus. He
then with these women the way to Kenya, where they
gave birth in a backstreet clinic.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh my gosh, there was just one problem.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Most of the women were either postman apostle or infertile stopping. Furthermore,
the Holy Ghost babies had developed within their wombs, and
record breaking time, Deya helped one fifty six year old
woman give birth thirteen times in three years. That's about
one baby every three months. But the really bizarre thing
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was that the living, screaming, kicking babies did appear at
the end of the rapid fire pregnancies, So where were
they coming from?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
He was definitely stealing babies. It's like a what is
it that we talked about it earlier before the episode
the Mary Top situation when there was sneaking bunny parts.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yep, this is A.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
He's going to an orphanage of wherever and stealing babies
and being like here, here's another one.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, it says. The Kenyan government had an explanation. They
accused Daya of baby trafficking. You're right there, gathering up infants,
infants in the slums of Kenya and depositing them into
the hands of British women. Strangely, the women appeared unaware
of the illegality or deception, their desire to give birth
with them troble hold On. It says their desire to
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give birth was so strong that they allowed Daya to
convince them that they were pregnant. They're gonna be pregnant.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You're not a buddy that sits there and burns that quick.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Well, you could be pregnant.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
That doesn't mean in too much. You got a pop akato.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
That's true. But my thing is, it's not like he
was saying, oh, they were birthed, here's a baby. It
was he was convincing these women that they had been
pregnant the whole time and were giving birth to their
own babies. And isn't Kenya. I'm pretty sure babies in
Kenya look a lot different than babies in Britain.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, and what do they have the baby under the table.
They're like, push, I should tell the baby, yeah right, Like,
how does this even happen?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Lather the baby with some kool aid to me.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, it's bloody, it says. A video of one of
the quote unquote miracle birth shows a semi conscious woman,
clearly unaware of what was happening, being handed a baby
while quote unquote doctors cut an umbilical cord that looks
suspiciously like a wire, which goes to show there's surely
nothing people can't be made to believe if they want
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to believe it badly enough.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Oh my gosh, So.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I guess it was get the women so altered mentally
that like basically drug them and they're hallucinating this birth.
Essentially it looks like the ultimate gaslight, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Cutting a shoelace handed on a cabbage patch. That's hilarious.
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I would have never had a millionaires thought of that.
But it had to be a real baby for them
to believe it.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
When they're up right, maybe he swaps it out after
it is still loopy.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
They don't know that is a good point because you'd
have to time the stealing of the baby to.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Match as he has a five year old.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
That's a big baby. Why does my baby have teeth
and talks already? Oh my god, that's so gross. Can
you imagine a baby coming out with the full set
of teeth?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Uh? They do that on Instagram, not Instagram. On Snapchat
they have all those filters that you can put it
on like newborns, and they have like the teeth.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And it just looks so I do cringe worthy.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, it's like Uncanny Valley, Like, no, don't do it
so gross.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Well, anyway, so that was messed up enough, so then
we're gonna move on to reality Rule one point seven.
The Internet is not reliable source of information about babies
or birth, it says reality Check. The fetal footprint a
photograph show was the outline of a fetus's foot pressing
against the inner wall of the mother's stomach. Is the
photo real or fake? You can see that see it
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on the top.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It looks like a horror movie. I've seen bulges come
out when I was pregnant, but I didn't never saw
like a foot imprinted like that like that. Clearly and
I've felt them kicking on my bladder and everywhere else
inside of me.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
My son was so big and I was so short
that when he would move, you would see like pieces,
But I don't. I couldn't get a good view as
to how far it was, like how detailed it was,
but you could clearly tell that there was a hand
or a foot present.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, but the picture you just showed me outlined each
individual toe of the baby's.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Foot exactly, So I guess we will find out, all right.
So the photograph began circulating the internet a mid well,
this is interesting two thousand and four, So apparently we
had some interesting stuff going on two thousand work. Its
source remains a mystery, making it impossible to say with
one hundred percent certainty the image was real or fake. However,
although women will often feel a belly bulge when the
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baby thrusts out a limb, the abdominal wall is simply
too muscular and thick to allow a footprint to be
seen with this clarity. The only way a fetal imprint
could be seen in this way would be the rare
case of an ectopic pregnancy which sucks, which involves a
fetus developing outside the uterus. Okay, that is really not
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making me feel any better about this me being fixed thing.
So you're saying there's a.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Chance, but they can't make it to that size in
topic pregnancy, can they?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
There are cases where women deliver babies that are outside
the uterus really yep. Like I was actually just talking
to some nurses at work the other day about this
and how some of them are like in the abdomen,
and and there was one case where the lady and
this is my joke, I'm horrible, but they were like
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there was one like it was growing in her chest,
and so I said, well, which way did the sperm
go in?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I thought it was funny, But they really can. All
it needs is to meet the egg and stick somewhere
it can get nutrients.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I don't know why I thought that. I see. I
think of them as like when women have IUDs and
it kind of pushes it off and then you can
have that. But they usually terminate themselves in a few weeks.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Oh, Ectopic pregnancies do not terminate themselves.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Okay, well I know nothing then, So I've had.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I've had three of them, and the typical ectopic pregnancy
is the fetus. The baby gets stuck inside the tube,
and so when it gets stuck inside the fallopian tube,
it doesn't stop growing. It continues to grow because it's
nutrients and all of that. It grows slower, but it
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does continue to grow until eventually it it's basically it
explodes and you hemorrhage and most of the time you die.
Oh wow, Like if you don't catch it early enough,
it's got a pretty decent mortality rate. So yeah, So
I had to be like under a magnifying glass or
a microscope or whatever when I was pregnant until we
could find out if he was in the right spot.
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And usually it's like a fluke or there's like a
one off thing. So the fact that I had three,
like every time, the doctors are like, this should not
even happen one. It shouldn't happened the first time because
nothing was wrong. I was perfectly healthy and I was young.
Usually you see ectopic pregnancies when there's iud's involved, like
you said, or women that are older, like over the
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age of forty, that are having babies. But it's usually
like one off and there's usually something that causes it.
So the fact that I had one just out of
nowhere was pretty uncommon. All right, Yeah, so this says
again and the fetus develops outside the uterus. It says
this condition could be life threatening for both mother and baby.
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And the photo does not appear to show it ec
topic pregnancy again because it usually doesn't like hang out
in the middle of nowhere. But in addition, the footprint
seems disproportionately large for a fetus. Uh incorrect. I'm pretty
sure my son's foot was about that side that he
had some giant like clown feet when he came out,
and he still got some big ol' freaking feet. So
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that's that one. And then there's reality check. There's trampoline
baby and it says this photo shows an infant bouncing
on a trampoline. Is it real or fake?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
How old is that baby supposed to be?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
It just says infant. I'd say three to six foot
thing is.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It could jump like that, like if somebody else jumped
next to it and then jumped right off the trampoline,
you know what I mean, Like Dad just jumped on
there and gave a big leap and then he went
flying up. But I don't think the baby would do
it by himself.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I concur so it says, this is yet another odd
pick sure you might encounter on the internet. In this case,
the baby is for ohs right, four month old Connor
Simpson enjoying himself on a trampoline sometime in two thousand
and two. Oh man, the two years early is the
photo fake it as well? Yeah, people who have experienced
with babies that all can guess that right away. Those
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with less baby experience, like me, waste hours trying to
figure out how Connor could be doing that. We look
for hidden wires or wonder if he was somehow tossed
in the air. The solution is that Connor never had
a trampoline adventure. He was photographed flying safely on a
bed and then placed above a trampoline with a digital
cut and paste magic. So photoshop the shit out of that.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So the parents had print shop.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yep, So that's that one was pretty short. Then we
have the next reality check. Supermodel eggs for sale? Is
there an internet site that allows infertile couples to bid
for the eggs of supermodels? I would say this is.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Probably that sounds like it would be a thing. I
feel like there would be a market for that.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Well, you can go, it's like a sperm bank. You
can go and be like, I want daddy to have
brown hair, blue eyes, six foot two. Wait, I'm just
describing my ex husband. Well that was awkward, but but yeah,
something like that. But you could. It's not gonna guarantee,
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but women used to do that. You could pick out
I want a lawyer, I want a doctor. I don't
think that's genetic, but they think it did. It says
all parents want their children to start life with very
possible advantage. So wouldn't it be natural for infertile couple
searching for an egg donor to pay premium dollar for
eggs from donors with high status genetic advantages such as
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extraordinary beauty. In fact, some couples advertise for donors with
specific characteristics such as height, athleticism, and high SAT scores.
But a site oh debuting on a Tober nineteen ninety nine,
ronsangels dot Com took this practice to a whole new level,
allowing couples to bid for eggs from supermodeled donors. The
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New York Times thought the site was real and publish
a story warning of the new age of u wish
commodification of human egg donation, but in reality, the site
was an elaborate publicity stunt for an online photography business.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Ah. I feel like it would be on there now.
I'll bet if you went online now you could probably
find something like that. But then on the other end,
you could get this online and it could be like,
what was that doctor that owned the sperm bank and
he kept putting his own stuff in there? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Can you imagine?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
So you could have this woman at home that's like
just pumping these things though it looks nothing like this.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, right, it comes out looking like a freaking hobbit
instead of like an Amazon. I'm just, oh my gosh,
I cannot even imagine being the parents of those children
that that guy did that with. I mean this whole
time thinking that your child is biologically your children.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, so you still love them, but it's really this
creep that kept.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yes and everybody yes.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Horrific.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
And then think of the genetic abnormalities that could happen
if these people don't know and say, for whatever chance,
they meet each other and they fall in love and
they get married and have babies, and they don't know
that they're siblings.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Boom seven toes.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, and it comes out with the formula. They're like,
what the folk's going on with us? Why can't we
have like a normal child, And then they don't realize
that they're related.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
What do you always say?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Incest is test, but your cousin to the test.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
So dope.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Believe that it's just something funny that my family has
said for eons whenever we make fun of a small
town that we are in. Okay, just to clarify not happening.
Oh my gosh, that's too much. I got a new vape.
It's banana flavored. It's kind of weird. That's sure how
I feel about it. All right, So I don't know
how long we've been going, but I got one more
here that we'll do. Reality rull one point eight. Okay, dolls,
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no matter how life like, are neither human nor alive.
The fact that they have to point that out it's
a little concerning to me, Like baby dolls are not real.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Some of them looked pretty real, though, do you see
how good they make them now?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Some of them are pretty creepy. And if you're going
in the case of a certain doll by the name
of A or.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Leggy because I don't say a real name switch out
to L with a P.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah. Yeah, those are r R or A that have
life or chucky right chucky. But this is real versus
cabbage patch specific love.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Cabbage patch dolls. My cabbage patch doll was named Jennifer Swift.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
First Swift, like brand Taylor, and my.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Plan was for her to marry the other cabachatch Stall,
who was a boy Jonathan Swift. As a child. I
didn't put it together that they have the same name
about five year old planning their wedding. Don't worry about it, kay,
you could have two.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
People with the same last name get married.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
But they were brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Oh they were like actually made to be brother's sister.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah. But I didn't put it together because I was
like five, So don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Okay, we'll just move move along, move along. Here. Is
it real or is it cabbage patch? This maybe the
greatest philosophical question of the modern age, or maybe not.
Whoever wrote this is phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I will I'm going off topic, But did you have
garbage pail kids?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I was obsessed with those cards, all right, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I was even to the point where, like I wasn't
allowed to have barbies because my barbies would get shaved
and dismembered and uh, their heads would come off and
they were held captive by my Ninja Turtles and g
I jos by you.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yes, okay, I don't know if this was a sibling
doing it or yourself.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Well me and the siblings doing it, all right, so
we were not allowed to have barbies anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I think baby Natasha needs some therapy.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well, I mean they were.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Hostages, they weren't. Okay, it's okay, it's all right. I
should have been born a boy. It's okay. That was
like you know what you say that though, it's you know,
baby Natasha needs help. But see if I was born
a boy, that would have been totally normal.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Shaving all the heads and uh yeah, boys wouldn't do that. Well,
my brother's g I Jo's would come and they would
seize the barbie mansion, but he wouldn't like shave their
heads or anything. Oh, take them hostage to he Man
Castle with skeletor.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I love it. Yeah, maybe I was just as twisted.
You know, there have been so what does that show
of Oh, it's something about like living with a monster
or the Monster, something about a monster. I don't know.
My ex husband used to watch it all the time.
I don't know that one getting of every episode they're like, oh,
so and so was like this is it, and they're
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like and all the seven that it's like, but there
were signs. It's always what they say before they go
into the story about like all the red flags that
pointed to this person being like a psycho like murderer. Yeah,
but there were signs anyway. Cabbage Fetch Kids were hand
sewn cloth dolls when Xavier Roberts started making them in
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the late nineteen seventies. Nowadays they're mass produced vinyl things. Ooh,
it's gross. The catch is that you're not supposed to
call them dolls. Instead, you're supposed to think of them
as real babies. And you don't buy them, you adopt them.
Oh that is so creepy, Maryland.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Well, you got the adoption certificate in it. Did you
ever have cabbage Fetch Kids?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Oh, you'd get the thing inside those, a little envelope
you'd open up and it was like an adoption paperwork thing. Doude.
They used to have old commercials too, where they'd have
like this huge cabbage patch thing, and the guys would
be there with like tongs, pulling the babies out of
the cabbage leaves and packing them up like they were
birthing them. You Natasha's face.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, sorry, the discuss of my face that I think
was very prominent. So Maryland residents Pat and Joe Posey,
Oh that's funny, for example, have been raising a cabbage
patch kid for nineteen years. Kevin, as they've named him,
has his own room in their house, as well as
his own college fund, just in case he ever decides
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to make it on his own. To entertain Kevin, the
Posies take him fishing or let him watch the reruns
of SpongeBob SquarePants, his favorite TV show, and when company
comes over, the Posies insist Kevin to be included in
the conversation. Keaven even talks back, though guests are expected
to ignore that it's really mister Posey speaking in falsetto
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this is so WRONGHO.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Are the guests that come over.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I'm guessing, like, you know, if you have like friends
from work or you know, brother sister family reunion, like
you just bring the doll and expect everybody to like
play pretend.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But would the friends continue to be friends over those
years after seeing this whole living situation?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Y'all? If you see something, say something there's resources on
the website.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
It's kind of sad because you'd think, like coping with loss,
you know what I mean, something like that. But this
is definitely does make sense.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Okay, that makes sense. I would not have put that.
I feel like if that was the case, they would
have put it in here. But it doesn't mention that.
But that does actually track. That makes a lot of sense,
like someone loses one and then they like replace it.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, but a college fund. Okay. And the fact that
he's doing the voice, that's what gets me.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I mean, if you're doing the voice, then you are
fully aware that this kid is not a real kid.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And his wife is behind him like, yeah, go ahead,
good job, honey.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Like what is it? What's that show where Benjamin Button?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Mm hmm yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
So then it goes on to reborn dolls, so I
remember those.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I have no idea what this is. So if the
care of feeding a cabbage patch kid isn't enough for you,
if you long for something even more lifelike, then you
may be ready for the reborn doll. Reborn dolls are
ultra true, tolive down to such anatomical details as a
pseudo umbilical chord. Oh my god, this is wrong. It
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look you know what, I bet that's what's in this
picture below here, and that looks like that looks like
a baby. Yeah, yeah, that's fucked up, all right. This
is wrong on so many levels. So collectors who sell
these dolls on eBay, where the hobby got started, have
received angry emails from people who think they're auctioning off
real human babies. Oh my god, this is These dolls
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are created by hobbyists, most of whom are stay at
home moms, in the process called reborning. Quality varies, but
to make a really good one, you start with a
silicone vinyl doll. Take it apart, remodel its mouth and nose,
replace its hair with human hair. Oh my god. Paint
it to give it the appearance of a newborn's veiny
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translucent skin. Fill it with sand. Oh my god, this
is horrible to get that baby weight. Add glass eyes,
and insert silicone pads to stimulate baby fat. I can't
even Finally, you name it and print out a birth certificate.
The result can be so lifelike that it's eerie.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Oh see, if it's a child having it, I think
it's really cute. But if the minute it goes into
an adult's hand, it feels more like a blow up
doll situation. It makes me very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I feel that I would go mental health, like like
you said with the last one, they lose a baby,
or they have a stillborn baby and they cannot cope.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Mm hmm, or a lot of people with dementia they
have baby dolls to help, Like.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, oh, this is just that. That makes me what
a vomit? That is wrong? And you thought me popping
my legs and my barbies was bad because I didn't
put them back together and sell them off like real babies.
Yh lee. That's like the gateway to human trafficking. That's
the marijuana of the trafficking world. Is the gateway drug.
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It's like, oh, well, I could get away with it,
make all this money with the fake baby. What can
I do with a real baby.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Oh my gosh, god, this is so gross.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
All right, so thank god that's over. During the nineteen seventies,
a Japanese roboticist named uh masa hero may Perfect, tested
people's responses to an anthrope of anthropomorphic robot god. What
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he discovered was that people easily formed emotional attachments to
robots that didn't look like humans at all. They also
bonded with robots that were indistinguishable from humans, but robots
that were in between that were almost human triggered strong
negative reactions. People were creeped out by them, and he
referred to them and this response as uncanny Valley. And
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what was true with these robots is true with dolls.
People readily bond with dolls that are obviously fake, just
as a bond with real babies, but almost almost human
dolls make our skin crawl you thank god, That's where
I'm at. Not everyone's not everybody's skin, of course, that's weird.
That's a weird sentence. Some people love reborn dolls, and
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collectors pay thousands of dollars for top quality. What okay?
True enthusiasts hug them, pamper them, and dress them and
cute baby outfits, treating these dolls as they would treat
real human babies. The enthusiasts say, fills the void in
their lives. To each his own. But should you ever
find yourself in the position similar to the Posies, which
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is cabin patch Kevin's guardians drifting dangerously close to that
thin line separating you from dollish fantasy, just splash them
cold water on your face and repeat the following words.
Dolls are not real babies. Dolls are not real babies.
And that's the end of that one. That is Oh,
I literally am just like cringe, like that is so wrong,
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like so wrong. Who thought to do that?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I'm so torn on so many things because I feel,
like you said, it could be a gateway to bad things,
but it could be very therapeutic on the other end
for people that need it. I don't know how to feel.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
It's the extent that these are the extreme that these
people go to to create this life like baby. So
you get a baby doll, you basically dissect it. You
stuff it was saying, I mean, what do we make
it a gullum?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Well, it feels like a real baby, like if you
if you've ever held when it really feels real.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Put the pads in and so my thing is is
how do they put the fat thing he's in and
like dissect it and put it back together and not
make it look like Frankin baby.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well, if they're dropping thousands of dollars on it, they
probably have a special what is it.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Like plastic surgeons.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Like legit rubber surgeons, a doctor certified and reborn doll surgery.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
There's scalpel. You just have a you have a row. Okay,
Oh my gosh. Like the old timey where you had
the audience watching in the surgery center. Yes, all cabbage
patch dolls.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I love that at the creation. I'd be there watching
the surgery alongside.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I'd love Kevin in the in the sideline eating popcorn.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Hey, I wonder what Keaven's college fund is at. He
might be able to get a good girl off of that.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Hey, that is a good point, and.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Like, okay, someone out there for everyone, right.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
My thing is Kevin never grows, So that's concerning. And
if your purpose is to raise this child into a
functional adult who's then going to essentially or potentially go
off and get married have children.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I can just picture his father voicing being like, I
didn't eat my vegetables even to.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Me, baby, I can't do it. My mom's in the
other room.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Oh my gosh, Like how would you stage a date
he'd have a reborn doll over.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Oh oh god, it's getting worse. At least the cabbage
patch just okay, just make sure I never have it.
They don't have like anatomically correct.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
No, they're like they're like floppy in between, like raggedy
an do all kind of thing with xavier signature. It's
like right on their butt cheek. They have that signature.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Remember parents signed for a tattoo. I got ink baby.
I'm a bad boy. That just came out really weird.
That's not how I intended that to come out. But
I'm in bad as like a motorcycle bad, not like
a dirty baby. Jesus.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
But I can also see a lot of people loving
it because people like to collect some weird things like
and what is it harm? I used to love to
collect those troll dolls. Those things were so ugly. They
were cute, like I loved.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
And beanie babies.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I never got into the beanie baby fan, but I
know a lot of people that did, and they'd be like, oh,
that's the special edition Wallrus or whatever.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
You Well, mine was more so. I was in gymnastics
when I was little, and we would travel all over
the place because we were on a competitive gymnastics team,
and every time we had a meet, my mom would
buy me a Beanie baby. Oh that's cute. So I
ended up with a collection of them. I used to
have collector's Barbie dolls, but my mom had to hide
them so we didn't disfigure them.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Oh, my grandmother would buy him for me. There were signs.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, there were signs, but there were signs. I think
it's American Monster, is what the show's.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Called, right, I don't think I ever saw that.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Okay, well I think it's on like A and E
maybe all right, so yeah, oh my god, I still
can't get past. Okay, the ones that treat the doll
like it is real is picking a doll that is
very obviously not real. I mean what they do like
shit their pants when these other creepy dolls came out?
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I mean, how do they not realize? I mean do
they get Kevin, a a Karen or a Kathy or something,
and like preferably out of a different gene pool, unlike
you to like be as girlfriend. I mean, how does
that work? And then was missus posey being the voice
of her, because then it could just be like this
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whole like make believe kind of like playing the Sims, right,
so you have like this makeshift all for him and
a makeshift off for hers. That's like they can act
out there whatever with these dolls.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
That's really creepy.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, I am just I'm trying to think, dude.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
That it didn't say anything about them suffering any type
of trauma. Nope, like no, losing a child, nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
It didn't say anything because.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
If that was the case, I could see it as like,
you know how like in other cultures they well maybe
in this culture too, they make like the morning dolls
would like they'll put some of the child's hair on
it to feel close to them forever. Like that's kind
of sweet. But without having a loss and just keeping
this doll around, that's so weird.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I mean, now, I will say, uh, I mean, most
people who have children, you've got a book somewhere early
as anybody who was born in the nineties, there's a
book somewhere with your hair and your teeth in it,
just floating around collecting dust on some shelf. But that's
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different than like playing house, and like it is a
huge like starting to get fucking college fun. This kid,
this cabbage patch has more money than I do. Like,
this is horseshit, and it's a couple.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's not like just one person suffering from dementia that's like,
oh this is my you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Or maybe it's I mean, maybe it was the husband
and the wife's going along with it because maybe the
therapist is like, just let him have it, because if
he's under this what's the word I'm looking for. I
can't think of the delusion? I don't know, Yeah, this delusion,
thank you. If he's having this delusion and this is
what's going on, like if the wife were to try
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to correct him, it could break him mentally, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, So the the arty is.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Obviously, but sometimes if somebody does have a delusion and
they break from their version of reality, it can have
severe consequences for them.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
So strange because it could have so many reasons why
they're keeping it and why they're doing it, and a
lot of them are not good.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Mm hmm. It's like and then to me, it's with
those creepy I just you're putting real people hair in
these baby dolls. You're reforming their sucking mouths.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, why would you need to do that again? It
can go complete polar opposite reasons, like either really good
or really bad.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I mean, if it's a baby doll. Remember those baby
dolls that they made. I was like in the two
thousands and they had the little bottle. There's like an
orange juice and a milk, and you like put the
baby the bottle in the baby's mouth and it would
like make somehow make the liquid disappear.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
A magic trick which we will never understand how it works,
turn it over and it's back.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I was like, who, nothing is spilt.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
What do you remember the babies they used to you'd
feed them and the poop, Yeah, what were those? It
was like orange spin poop came out of them and
then you just yeah, like was it oopsie Daisy? No,
I don't remember what they.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Were called with the with the dolls with the bottles though.
I mean I used to get confused because you couldn't
make the stupid shit disappear. It had to be in
the baby's mouth to disappear. And I was like, wow,
is this working? And I remember trying to like dissect
mine to figure out how it worked. I didn't apparently
have a problem with dissection, but I did. I used
to cut my barbies open because I wanted to know
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how their joints bent, because I had some that they
actually bent mm hmm. And I couldn't figure out why
some of the barbies did and some of the barbies didn't.
So I would cut their legs open.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
And they're kind of just being like mahaw come and
half of these are from Dolla Tree and the other
one's the real ones.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Because I didn't trust anyone man, it was. I wanted
to figure out how it worked. I was a very
analytical person at a very young age. Right, some things
don't change. I still very much am like, hey, let's
take it apart, figure out how it works. To put
it back together, Like I just like doing that. I
want to know how it works, why it works, you know,
can you make it better? Whatever? I did give her
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band aids when I put her back together, though, how
kind of you, I know, Oh my gosh. There was
an episode of God what was it? Was it? House?
I think it was House where they had the guy
that was really sick and he had the very realistic
he kept saying he had a girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I'd never watched House and like he sent.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
So they go to the guy's house because they're like, oh,
he says he's got a girlfriend, you know, but we can't.
You know, no one's ever met her, blah blah blah blah.
But he's like very adamant. And so they go to
his apartment to search for what could be causing his illness,
probably illegally because it always was illegally. And they're like, oh,
like there's like a dozen rows on the counter to
so and so from so and so, and they're like,
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maybe he does have a girlfriend. Uh they she's just
not home and like love letters that he would write her.
And they're like, Okay, maybe he does have a girlfriend. Cool.
And then they walk in his room and there's this
extremely realistic sex doll that was his girlfriend. He dressed her,
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he fed her, like treated her like a human, would
buy her gifts and like put give him to her.
It was his theory was he was not good with people.
He was a very socially awkward man, and he came
across this doll. It was like a fifteen thousand dollars
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sex doll, very custom made everything, and she was made
out of like I think it was like certain type
of silicone and everything. It wasn't like one of those
like blow up dolls. I mean it was like a
real I mean she looked real, and he just said
that he tried talking to real women and he either
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got like berated or embarrassed or you know, humiliated, or
he couldn't handle the rejection, repeated rejection. So he ordered
himself a girlfriend and they would sit and watch movies.
He would talk to her, tell her all of his
secrets because she was, you know, quote unquote a good listener.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Well that's way better than being a serial killer.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
True. But I remember there was a pocket they did,
like a CT scanter or something stupid on this doll,
and they were afraid there was mold or something in
the doll that was making him sick. And there was
like this pocket of air and they had to do
like they were like, well let's cut this pocket open.
But they got they had to get considered. This guy
was losing his shit because they had to like they
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were treating it like it was a doll and not
like a human. And so they ended up to make
because of his delusion. Well it wasn't really a delusion.
He knew that she was a doll, but it was
just like in his head it was fair excusing anyway.
So they take a scalpel, they take her into like
a surgery room, cut her open, removed yes, with the
little air pocket and like got the stuff out of
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the air pocket and tested it. And they sewed her
back together like with stitches and put a band aid
on her for his benefit. Okay, and they were like,
surgery was great. They brought her in on a wheelchair.
It was weird. It was very weird. But there's people
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out there that do that. And I mean, I'm not
gonna yuck. They're young. I mean, as long as it's
not like creepy like a baby doll, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah, it's weird to me. But you're not harming anybody.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, you're not hurting anything. You're getting what you need.
You know, you're feeling good about it, better about yourself.
Everybody's different, not approcreating. Yeah, everybody's different. And so I
wouldn't want I wouldn't drop fifteen grand on a sex doll.
But that's just me. But I still can't get over
the freaking creepy ass baby. But they was so real
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shit into this baby and like put the weight in
to be like a oh that is so I'm with them.
I feel that if it is very obviously fake, it
is not a real baby, it does not look like
a real baby, it is a lot easier to accept.
But when they started going into these very realistic babies, like,
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that's when shit gets creepy.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, I keep thinking about I don't know if you
remember the anatolely moscovin case m h. He was a
Russian guy that was obsessed with cemeteries and he kept
digging up little girls and making them into dolls and
he had like tons of them around his house when
he was found. Ew yeah youw Yeah I covered him
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a while back. I'm stupid.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I'm still like I just can't.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
But he has this warped a thing like he's saving them. Yeah,
I mean's his mentality, like I'm taking them, I'm giving
them life again, I'm making them happy.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
I mean I do that with animal bones, but don't
make them into an animal. Or who is that guy?
I think you covered this guy. He met the girl
of his dreams or whatever, but she was like sick, oh,
and so he took care of her, but that she died,
so he was like putting like piping into places so
that he could, yeah, and like keeping this like wig
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and like wrapping her and stuff and like with like
dance with her and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Oh, I can't think of his name.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Died, Like he dug her up.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
He gave himself like titles, was like pount and this
and that, but I can't remember her name.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, and like the parents were like, oh my gosh,
thank goodness, she found someone who's gonna like pale or
medical expenses and and all of that, so they just
like let it go.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
The weirdest part of that story was after she passed,
he went to her parents' house and was like, hey,
can I have some of her hair? And the parents
will like, sure, here, and they gave him a whole
bunch of her hair. Which why did the parents have
a bunch of her hair? And why would you just
give it to this guy?
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Okay, I don't remember where the story took place, but
I can say that there are hair is very important
in a lot of cultures.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Give to a random person.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
If that was the love of her life and she
married him, she.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Didn't, she didn't like him, She never dated him. She
was like get away from me.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
I thought eventually she like gave in because he was
paying for her shit.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
No, he paid for her stuff and followed her around,
but she never dated him.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
But I'm just saying I can see in some sense
you look at it one of two ways. Either one.
The hair is very important, like the lifeline. Like you
have religions where you do not cut your hair period
you just never cut your hair. Like if you cut
your hair, you're essentially like disband, You're shunned because the
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whole you know, your life is connected to your hair,
or your soul is connected to your hair. I don't
know how, but whatever, teach their own and then you
have voodoo dolls. One of the best things you could
do for witchcraft or any type of thing would be
to have a lock of hair right right, Which is
interesting because they say, you know, usually you want something
with like a DNA, but if you just cut your
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hair at the end, it doesn't have your DNA, so
that's kind of ironic. But beliefs or beliefs, but there
are a lot where locks of hair are important. I mean, hell,
I could go right now and I could chop this
off and make money off my hair just because other
people want it to wear on their own heads, which,
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if you think about it, sounds really morbid.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, really, they do, like locks of love and stuff
when your hair.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
To me, cutting another human's hair and wearing it on
your head is weird. Like if I got a wig,
I probably would not want human hair.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Agreed, And I don't know if I could even do
horse hair because it's too close to their button for
my comfort.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Well, I would just hope that they're cutting it off
the maid and there's no guarantee.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
You don't know where it's coming from.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
That's true, and.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
You're probably not getting full made. You're probably getting half
tail hair part that you don't know.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
True. Okay, you got a good point. I never thought
of that. I never thought of that way to ruin
that for me. I guess horse hairs out now. But
it's like then again, I struggle with organ donation. I mean,
on one hit, it's great that these people are surviving,
but they do say that like the DNA from whoever
you are getting it merges with yours, you are no
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longer just you. You are you and another person.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Those cases are weird. When you like fall in love
with the same person or yeah, have some of the
same habits once you've gotten like a heart transplant or
something that the donor had.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yep, or those people that this is, I can't remember
what they're called. There's a word for them. To me.
This blows my mind because it really happens and it
sounds so sci fi. In uterome, there could be an
egg that goes to split into twins or the two
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or in there anyway, there's two. There's two fetuses in
there and they absorb into one. Yes, when they are born,
that person has two sets of DNA. Their saliva and
their sperm do not have the same DNA.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Every single time. They don't.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
There no, no, this is just it's a weird anomaly
that happens not every twin, because there's a lot of
people that like absorb their twin and it's not a
big deal. But I remember there was this at least
one case where this guy was I mean, all the
evidence pointed to this man being responsible for like this murder,
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like assault and murder, and but they tested as DNA
via swab because that's how they do it, and it
didn't match. And they're like, there's no way it is
not this man, and it took him a while, and
eventually I think somebody got it was like either blood
draw or like I think it was either blood draw
or sperm donated. Somehow they got the other and then
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it matched out of the same man that they just like.
They even re swabbed him and the swab was negative again,
but the blood work was.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, and there's a word for them, and it's very
very very rare, but it does happen, and that's just weird.
It's super weird.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
I guess it's all I got.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Well, that was very interesting. I I don't know how
I feel about.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Yeah, I'm still digesting. I just I can't past the
fake babies. I can't get past the realistic fake babies. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
See, I would never go out and buy one of them,
But I don't knock somebody if they had some kind
of loss or needed them for emotional support. But I
one hundred percent would go and buy a cabbage patch
doll tomorrow if I saw one that I liked.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Now, imagine you go to some you meet this couple
and they've got this baby.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Me and Kevin are getting hitched.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
No, no, no, no, they've got one of those creepy babies.
They've like got it swaddled or something, and you're like, oh,
let me see your baby. And they hand you this
baby and it's a fox like a baby. Like what
do you do?
Speaker 2 (52:39):
You give it back politely walk away, but.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
You know what I mean. Like they're like, oh, yeah,
this is our you know, son, and blah blah blah
blah blah. And he's three months old the audio and
you're like, oh, can I hold and they're like yeah, sure,
and then they hand it to you and it's like
just a baby doll. Like how do you respond?
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Hey bye?
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Like oh, he's so cute here you can have him back,
and then like do that Homer Simpson into the like shrubbery.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
Noop, gotta go. I have a lot of people that
know where I am.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah right, I've got life seat three sixty share my
location with fifty people. I'm on a live stream.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
Boyfriend is around the corner.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
He's super strong. Oh my god, I do is say
the same word.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, oh that.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Is too funny. But all right, well go home and
kiss your babies, I guess real or fake, do your whatever,
Just none of that creepy shit. Man. You see something
say something and again, give people help if they need help.
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There are resources, people, there are resources.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
And remember clean your sex dolls.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Oh yes, very thoroughly clean. The sex stalls all holes
all the time.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Man.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
But I guess until next time, everybody, we'll see you.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
Bye.
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Everyone with me again is Missless from Ouches out a ghost,
and I'm gonna have to get used to say something different.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, thank you for having me on again.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Oh much, appreciate it. It's always a blast having you on,
so I'm definitely okay with that. So yeah, I'm I'm pumped.
I'm pumped because I always get excited when I record
with you, so it's always a good time. Woo. So
we're we're winging it today for the norm we wing
it a lot, I've decided, and I found some interesting
(01:48):
stuff here again. It's back in Hippo eats dwarf aside
from apparently there's some water or something going on with
my book, but that doesn't affect the quality of what's inside,
so we went ahead just pick that. And I know
some people are a little finicky about certain topics. It
just kind of grosses them out. So men, ahead of time,
get over yourselves. It'll be fine. You don't have to
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experience this the way that we have to experience it
for starters. And it kind of worked out because there's
been a lot of people around me that have been
finding out that they are housing a mini somebody inside
of their bodies.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Ooh, you better be careful, you might catch it.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
No if I yeah, ah, it hates us like it
literally just like stopped it. It was like Internet is unstable.
I was like you were at Scallion. So again, Hippoa's
dwarf and we are in reality. Rule one point six
is where we're starting. There's gonna be a couple rules
that we're gonna cover because they are shorter, but they're
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definitely just as interesting as it was before. And it
is when seeking medical advice about birth, it's better to
rely on a doctor than a backthrow miracle worker, all right,
which sounds sketchy, right, like that backwoods or back door. Wow,
(03:13):
we all know what I was doing last night.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
My gosh, oh Jesus, all right, So we have like
always there's usually like a little vocab.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Mixed in with kind of the stories and all of that.
So our word here is hysterical pregnancy, which is a
noun and says a medical condition in which a woman
falsely believes she is pregnant, sometimes to the point of
developing pregnancy symptoms, like swear that you're pregnant, but you
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take a test and everything's negative. Or I've even heard
of people even gaining weight, like they look pregnant.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I've heard of this and I've seen people that this
has happened to.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, like they look pregnant, they act pregnant, they go
in for a screen and nothing, and I just I
can't even like that is so unfortunate for me, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I think that's purely psychological though, isn't it. And it's
just like, yeah, you think it's so hard, so but
it's it's bizarre that it can mess with your hormones
and stuff and like stop your periods and do all that,
like you have that much power in your brain. The
brain is insane.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Yeah, it's I was just talking to somebody the other day.
I was like, our bodies can handle some stuff for real,
Like I know of a person who their brain was
messed up, obviously, and I would say, oh, yeah, normals
(04:50):
different for every person, but no, there was something very
wrong here. This person literally took a table saw and
cut their own hands off in one of their feet
what Yeah, and survived. You know, this person not personally,
but I do know it was one hundred percent a
real person and it really happened. It was so bizarre.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I don't even know what to say to that.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And from what I gathered, they were able to reattach
the appendages all but like one.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Do the nerves still work? Like did they connect them?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I don't know. They went to a different location that
was better suited for that type of trauma.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Imagine the pain and then to continue on to the
next appendage.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Like for me, it's not only imagine the pain. Imagine
the pain, and you are doing it to yourself, not
like someone's forcing you or anything like that where you
don't have a choice. That's happening regardless. I mean, you
literally have the gusso to continue to do it to yourself.
At any point you could stop, and you continue to
(05:57):
do it. Why it was their version of wanting to
leave this realm.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It just seems like such a harder way to do it, right,
But I was like, how did they survive? Your body's
funny too, because you can go into shock, but the
blood loss is still blood loss because exactly I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
But I guess they were getting blood pumped into them
like the whole time, and it was just bizarre. But anyway,
back to babies.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
That's a segue that seguay or with.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Death comes life is the way I look at it.
We'll put it that way.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
So this one's labeled miracle birth, and it says during
the summer of two thousand and four, hundreds of Muslims
flocked to West German University clinic to see a woman
who had given birth to all his chosen son. It
says their source for this information a rumor posted on
a Turkish internet site. Because that sounds reliable, They had
read it online, so of course it had to be true, right, right.
(06:57):
So the woman was said to have been burn across
her entire body except for her tatas while giving birth,
and to have died from all of the wounds. She
had then been buried, but was dug up when someone
realized that Allah had brought her back to life so
that she could breastfeed the Messiah for forty days before dying. Again,
(07:18):
what this is already so weird? This is just the beginning.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Oh okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
The staff at the German clinic were at first confused,
then amused, and then frightened by the steady stream of pilgrims.
Some had traveled all the way from the Netherlands to
come see the spectacle. Eventually, the clinic hired extra security
to turn away pilgrims who refused to believe that there
really truly was no wish. There's no one there matching
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the description of all his chosen son and his mother.
This case illustrates that this is supposedly an age of
science and reason, but also an age of faith, and
many people are quite willing to believest supernatural forces can
intervene directly with the process of birth. So that's one case, supposedly,
but it also is already instigating there, or already insinuating
(08:09):
that there's no evidence. Right, there's nobody here by that description.
All these people are showing up, but they're trying to
get rid of them. So at least that one's not
really holding a lot of water to start with, because
that would be pretty far fetched. I'm still just like, oh, well,
everybody believes their own thing. But oddly enough. In two
thousand and four also saw the bizarre case of Archbishop
Gilbert Deya and his Holy ghost babies.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Gilbert Deya, I'm just gonna leave that pond, that's it,
and his.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Holy ghost babies, all right, This self styled arc bishop
he gave himself that you know name, which means that
he's probably a psychopath at this point, right, because that's
what serial killers do. They give themselves their own names before.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
You start a cult.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, oh yeah, that's a good point. Sorry people, goodness
all right. But anyway, so he convinced numerous female followers
in Britain that they had been impregnated by Jesus. He
then with these women the way to Kenya, where they
gave birth in a backstreet clinic.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Oh my gosh, there was just one problem.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Most of the women were either postman apostle or infertile stopping. Furthermore,
the Holy Ghost babies had developed within their wombs, and
record breaking time, Deya helped one fifty six year old
woman give birth thirteen times in three years. That's about
one baby every three months. But the really bizarre thing
(09:37):
was that the living, screaming, kicking babies did appear at
the end of the rapid fire pregnancies, So where were
they coming from?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
He was definitely stealing babies. It's like a what is
it that we talked about it earlier before the episode
the Mary Top situation when there was sneaking bunny parts.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yep, this is A.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
He's going to an orphanage of wherever and stealing babies
and being like here, here's another one.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, it says. The Kenyan government had an explanation. They
accused Daya of baby trafficking. You're right there, gathering up infants,
infants in the slums of Kenya and depositing them into
the hands of British women. Strangely, the women appeared unaware
of the illegality or deception, their desire to give birth
with them troble hold On. It says their desire to
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give birth was so strong that they allowed Daya to
convince them that they were pregnant. They're gonna be pregnant.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You're not a buddy that sits there and burns that quick.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Well, you could be pregnant.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
That doesn't mean in too much. You got a pop akato.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
That's true. But my thing is, it's not like he
was saying, oh, they were birthed, here's a baby. It
was he was convincing these women that they had been
pregnant the whole time and were giving birth to their
own babies. And isn't Kenya. I'm pretty sure babies in
Kenya look a lot different than babies in Britain.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, and what do they have the baby under the table.
They're like, push, I should tell the baby, yeah right, Like,
how does this even happen?
Speaker 1 (11:05):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Lather the baby with some kool aid to me.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, it's bloody, it says. A video of one of
the quote unquote miracle birth shows a semi conscious woman,
clearly unaware of what was happening, being handed a baby
while quote unquote doctors cut an umbilical cord that looks
suspiciously like a wire, which goes to show there's surely
nothing people can't be made to believe if they want
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to believe it badly enough.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Oh my gosh, So.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I guess it was get the women so altered mentally
that like basically drug them and they're hallucinating this birth.
Essentially it looks like the ultimate gaslight, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Cutting a shoelace handed on a cabbage patch. That's hilarious.
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I would have never had a millionaires thought of that.
But it had to be a real baby for them
to believe it.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
When they're up right, maybe he swaps it out after
it is still loopy.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
They don't know that is a good point because you'd
have to time the stealing of the baby to.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Match as he has a five year old.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
That's a big baby. Why does my baby have teeth
and talks already? Oh my god, that's so gross. Can
you imagine a baby coming out with the full set
of teeth?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Uh? They do that on Instagram, not Instagram. On Snapchat
they have all those filters that you can put it
on like newborns, and they have like the teeth.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And it just looks so I do cringe worthy.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Yeah, it's like Uncanny Valley, Like, no, don't do it
so gross.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Well, anyway, so that was messed up enough, so then
we're gonna move on to reality Rule one point seven.
The Internet is not reliable source of information about babies
or birth, it says reality Check. The fetal footprint a
photograph show was the outline of a fetus's foot pressing
against the inner wall of the mother's stomach. Is the
photo real or fake? You can see that see it
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on the top.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It looks like a horror movie. I've seen bulges come
out when I was pregnant, but I didn't never saw
like a foot imprinted like that like that. Clearly and
I've felt them kicking on my bladder and everywhere else
inside of me.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
My son was so big and I was so short
that when he would move, you would see like pieces,
But I don't. I couldn't get a good view as
to how far it was, like how detailed it was,
but you could clearly tell that there was a hand
or a foot present.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, but the picture you just showed me outlined each
individual toe of the baby's.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Foot exactly, So I guess we will find out, all right.
So the photograph began circulating the internet a mid well,
this is interesting two thousand and four, So apparently we
had some interesting stuff going on two thousand work. Its
source remains a mystery, making it impossible to say with
one hundred percent certainty the image was real or fake. However,
although women will often feel a belly bulge when the
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baby thrusts out a limb, the abdominal wall is simply
too muscular and thick to allow a footprint to be
seen with this clarity. The only way a fetal imprint
could be seen in this way would be the rare
case of an ectopic pregnancy which sucks, which involves a
fetus developing outside the uterus. Okay, that is really not
(14:32):
making me feel any better about this me being fixed thing.
So you're saying there's a.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Chance, but they can't make it to that size in
topic pregnancy, can they?
Speaker 1 (14:42):
There are cases where women deliver babies that are outside
the uterus really yep. Like I was actually just talking
to some nurses at work the other day about this
and how some of them are like in the abdomen,
and and there was one case where the lady and
this is my joke, I'm horrible, but they were like
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there was one like it was growing in her chest,
and so I said, well, which way did the sperm
go in?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I thought it was funny, But they really can. All
it needs is to meet the egg and stick somewhere
it can get nutrients.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
I don't know why I thought that. I see. I
think of them as like when women have IUDs and
it kind of pushes it off and then you can
have that. But they usually terminate themselves in a few weeks.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Oh, Ectopic pregnancies do not terminate themselves.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Okay, well I know nothing then, So I've had.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I've had three of them, and the typical ectopic pregnancy
is the fetus. The baby gets stuck inside the tube,
and so when it gets stuck inside the fallopian tube,
it doesn't stop growing. It continues to grow because it's
nutrients and all of that. It grows slower, but it
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does continue to grow until eventually it it's basically it
explodes and you hemorrhage and most of the time you die.
Oh wow, Like if you don't catch it early enough,
it's got a pretty decent mortality rate. So yeah, So
I had to be like under a magnifying glass or
a microscope or whatever when I was pregnant until we
could find out if he was in the right spot.
(16:24):
And usually it's like a fluke or there's like a
one off thing. So the fact that I had three,
like every time, the doctors are like, this should not
even happen one. It shouldn't happened the first time because
nothing was wrong. I was perfectly healthy and I was young.
Usually you see ectopic pregnancies when there's iud's involved, like
you said, or women that are older, like over the
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age of forty, that are having babies. But it's usually
like one off and there's usually something that causes it.
So the fact that I had one just out of
nowhere was pretty uncommon. All right, Yeah, so this says
again and the fetus develops outside the uterus. It says
this condition could be life threatening for both mother and baby.
(17:05):
And the photo does not appear to show it ec
topic pregnancy again because it usually doesn't like hang out
in the middle of nowhere. But in addition, the footprint
seems disproportionately large for a fetus. Uh incorrect. I'm pretty
sure my son's foot was about that side that he
had some giant like clown feet when he came out,
and he still got some big ol' freaking feet. So
(17:27):
that's that one. And then there's reality check. There's trampoline
baby and it says this photo shows an infant bouncing
on a trampoline. Is it real or fake?
Speaker 2 (17:37):
How old is that baby supposed to be?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
It just says infant. I'd say three to six foot
thing is.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It could jump like that, like if somebody else jumped
next to it and then jumped right off the trampoline,
you know what I mean, Like Dad just jumped on
there and gave a big leap and then he went
flying up. But I don't think the baby would do
it by himself.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I concur so it says, this is yet another odd
pick sure you might encounter on the internet. In this case,
the baby is for ohs right, four month old Connor
Simpson enjoying himself on a trampoline sometime in two thousand
and two. Oh man, the two years early is the
photo fake it as well? Yeah, people who have experienced
with babies that all can guess that right away. Those
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with less baby experience, like me, waste hours trying to
figure out how Connor could be doing that. We look
for hidden wires or wonder if he was somehow tossed
in the air. The solution is that Connor never had
a trampoline adventure. He was photographed flying safely on a
bed and then placed above a trampoline with a digital
cut and paste magic. So photoshop the shit out of that.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So the parents had print shop.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yep, So that's that one was pretty short. Then we
have the next reality check. Supermodel eggs for sale? Is
there an internet site that allows infertile couples to bid
for the eggs of supermodels? I would say this is.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Probably that sounds like it would be a thing. I
feel like there would be a market for that.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Well, you can go, it's like a sperm bank. You
can go and be like, I want daddy to have
brown hair, blue eyes, six foot two. Wait, I'm just
describing my ex husband. Well that was awkward, but but yeah,
something like that. But you could. It's not gonna guarantee,
(19:24):
but women used to do that. You could pick out
I want a lawyer, I want a doctor. I don't
think that's genetic, but they think it did. It says
all parents want their children to start life with very
possible advantage. So wouldn't it be natural for infertile couple
searching for an egg donor to pay premium dollar for
eggs from donors with high status genetic advantages such as
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extraordinary beauty. In fact, some couples advertise for donors with
specific characteristics such as height, athleticism, and high SAT scores.
But a site oh debuting on a Tober nineteen ninety nine,
ronsangels dot Com took this practice to a whole new level,
allowing couples to bid for eggs from supermodeled donors. The
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New York Times thought the site was real and publish
a story warning of the new age of u wish
commodification of human egg donation, but in reality, the site
was an elaborate publicity stunt for an online photography business.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Ah. I feel like it would be on there now.
I'll bet if you went online now you could probably
find something like that. But then on the other end,
you could get this online and it could be like,
what was that doctor that owned the sperm bank and
he kept putting his own stuff in there? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Can you imagine?
Speaker 2 (20:46):
So you could have this woman at home that's like
just pumping these things though it looks nothing like this.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah, right, it comes out looking like a freaking hobbit
instead of like an Amazon. I'm just, oh my gosh,
I cannot even imagine being the parents of those children
that that guy did that with. I mean this whole
time thinking that your child is biologically your children.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, so you still love them, but it's really this
creep that kept.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Yes and everybody yes.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Horrific.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
And then think of the genetic abnormalities that could happen
if these people don't know and say, for whatever chance,
they meet each other and they fall in love and
they get married and have babies, and they don't know
that they're siblings.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Boom seven toes.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, and it comes out with the formula. They're like,
what the folk's going on with us? Why can't we
have like a normal child, And then they don't realize
that they're related.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
What do you always say?
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Incest is test, but your cousin to the test.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
So dope.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Believe that it's just something funny that my family has
said for eons whenever we make fun of a small
town that we are in. Okay, just to clarify not happening.
Oh my gosh, that's too much. I got a new vape.
It's banana flavored. It's kind of weird. That's sure how
I feel about it. All right, So I don't know
how long we've been going, but I got one more
here that we'll do. Reality rull one point eight. Okay, dolls,
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no matter how life like, are neither human nor alive.
The fact that they have to point that out it's
a little concerning to me, Like baby dolls are not real.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Some of them looked pretty real, though, do you see
how good they make them now?
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Some of them are pretty creepy. And if you're going
in the case of a certain doll by the name
of A or.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Leggy because I don't say a real name switch out
to L with a P.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah. Yeah, those are r R or A that have
life or chucky right chucky. But this is real versus
cabbage patch specific love.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Cabbage patch dolls. My cabbage patch doll was named Jennifer Swift.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
First Swift, like brand Taylor, and my.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Plan was for her to marry the other cabachatch Stall,
who was a boy Jonathan Swift. As a child. I
didn't put it together that they have the same name
about five year old planning their wedding. Don't worry about it, kay,
you could have two.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
People with the same last name get married.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
But they were brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Oh they were like actually made to be brother's sister.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yeah. But I didn't put it together because I was
like five, So don't worry about it.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Okay, we'll just move move along, move along. Here. Is
it real or is it cabbage patch? This maybe the
greatest philosophical question of the modern age, or maybe not.
Whoever wrote this is phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I will I'm going off topic, But did you have
garbage pail kids?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I was obsessed with those cards, all right, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I was even to the point where, like I wasn't
allowed to have barbies because my barbies would get shaved
and dismembered and uh, their heads would come off and
they were held captive by my Ninja Turtles and g
I jos by you.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yes, okay, I don't know if this was a sibling
doing it or yourself.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Well me and the siblings doing it, all right, so
we were not allowed to have barbies anymore.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I think baby Natasha needs some therapy.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Well, I mean they were.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Hostages, they weren't. Okay, it's okay, it's all right. I
should have been born a boy. It's okay. That was
like you know what you say that though, it's you know,
baby Natasha needs help. But see if I was born
a boy, that would have been totally normal.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Shaving all the heads and uh yeah, boys wouldn't do that. Well,
my brother's g I Jo's would come and they would
seize the barbie mansion, but he wouldn't like shave their
heads or anything. Oh, take them hostage to he Man
Castle with skeletor.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I love it. Yeah, maybe I was just as twisted.
You know, there have been so what does that show
of Oh, it's something about like living with a monster
or the Monster, something about a monster. I don't know.
My ex husband used to watch it all the time.
I don't know that one getting of every episode they're like, oh,
so and so was like this is it, and they're
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like and all the seven that it's like, but there
were signs. It's always what they say before they go
into the story about like all the red flags that
pointed to this person being like a psycho like murderer. Yeah,
but there were signs anyway. Cabbage Fetch Kids were hand
sewn cloth dolls when Xavier Roberts started making them in
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the late nineteen seventies. Nowadays they're mass produced vinyl things. Ooh,
it's gross. The catch is that you're not supposed to
call them dolls. Instead, you're supposed to think of them
as real babies. And you don't buy them, you adopt them.
Oh that is so creepy, Maryland.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Well, you got the adoption certificate in it. Did you
ever have cabbage Fetch Kids?
Speaker 1 (25:59):
No?
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Oh, you'd get the thing inside those, a little envelope
you'd open up and it was like an adoption paperwork thing. Doude.
They used to have old commercials too, where they'd have
like this huge cabbage patch thing, and the guys would
be there with like tongs, pulling the babies out of
the cabbage leaves and packing them up like they were
birthing them. You Natasha's face.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, sorry, the discuss of my face that I think
was very prominent. So Maryland residents Pat and Joe Posey,
Oh that's funny, for example, have been raising a cabbage
patch kid for nineteen years. Kevin, as they've named him,
has his own room in their house, as well as
his own college fund, just in case he ever decides
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to make it on his own. To entertain Kevin, the
Posies take him fishing or let him watch the reruns
of SpongeBob SquarePants, his favorite TV show, and when company
comes over, the Posies insist Kevin to be included in
the conversation. Keaven even talks back, though guests are expected
to ignore that it's really mister Posey speaking in falsetto
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this is so WRONGHO.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Are the guests that come over.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I'm guessing, like, you know, if you have like friends
from work or you know, brother sister family reunion, like
you just bring the doll and expect everybody to like
play pretend.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
But would the friends continue to be friends over those
years after seeing this whole living situation?
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Y'all? If you see something, say something there's resources on
the website.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
It's kind of sad because you'd think, like coping with loss,
you know what I mean, something like that. But this
is definitely does make sense.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Okay, that makes sense. I would not have put that.
I feel like if that was the case, they would
have put it in here. But it doesn't mention that.
But that does actually track. That makes a lot of sense,
like someone loses one and then they like replace it.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, but a college fund. Okay. And the fact that
he's doing the voice, that's what gets me.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I mean, if you're doing the voice, then you are
fully aware that this kid is not a real kid.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And his wife is behind him like, yeah, go ahead,
good job, honey.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Like what is it? What's that show where Benjamin Button?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Mm hmm yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
So then it goes on to reborn dolls, so I
remember those.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I have no idea what this is. So if the
care of feeding a cabbage patch kid isn't enough for you,
if you long for something even more lifelike, then you
may be ready for the reborn doll. Reborn dolls are
ultra true, tolive down to such anatomical details as a
pseudo umbilical chord. Oh my god, this is wrong. It
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look you know what, I bet that's what's in this
picture below here, and that looks like that looks like
a baby. Yeah, yeah, that's fucked up, all right. This
is wrong on so many levels. So collectors who sell
these dolls on eBay, where the hobby got started, have
received angry emails from people who think they're auctioning off
real human babies. Oh my god, this is These dolls
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are created by hobbyists, most of whom are stay at
home moms, in the process called reborning. Quality varies, but
to make a really good one, you start with a
silicone vinyl doll. Take it apart, remodel its mouth and nose,
replace its hair with human hair. Oh my god. Paint
it to give it the appearance of a newborn's veiny
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translucent skin. Fill it with sand. Oh my god, this
is horrible to get that baby weight. Add glass eyes,
and insert silicone pads to stimulate baby fat. I can't
even Finally, you name it and print out a birth certificate.
The result can be so lifelike that it's eerie.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Oh see, if it's a child having it, I think
it's really cute. But if the minute it goes into
an adult's hand, it feels more like a blow up
doll situation. It makes me very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I feel that I would go mental health, like like
you said with the last one, they lose a baby,
or they have a stillborn baby and they cannot cope.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Mm hmm, or a lot of people with dementia they
have baby dolls to help, Like.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, oh, this is just that. That makes me what
a vomit? That is wrong? And you thought me popping
my legs and my barbies was bad because I didn't
put them back together and sell them off like real babies.
Yh lee. That's like the gateway to human trafficking. That's
the marijuana of the trafficking world. Is the gateway drug.
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It's like, oh, well, I could get away with it,
make all this money with the fake baby. What can
I do with a real baby.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Oh my gosh, god, this is so gross.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
All right, so thank god that's over. During the nineteen seventies,
a Japanese roboticist named uh masa hero may Perfect, tested
people's responses to an anthrope of anthropomorphic robot god. What
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he discovered was that people easily formed emotional attachments to
robots that didn't look like humans at all. They also
bonded with robots that were indistinguishable from humans, but robots
that were in between that were almost human triggered strong
negative reactions. People were creeped out by them, and he
referred to them and this response as uncanny Valley. And
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what was true with these robots is true with dolls.
People readily bond with dolls that are obviously fake, just
as a bond with real babies, but almost almost human
dolls make our skin crawl you thank god, That's where
I'm at. Not everyone's not everybody's skin, of course, that's weird.
That's a weird sentence. Some people love reborn dolls, and
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collectors pay thousands of dollars for top quality. What okay?
True enthusiasts hug them, pamper them, and dress them and
cute baby outfits, treating these dolls as they would treat
real human babies. The enthusiasts say, fills the void in
their lives. To each his own. But should you ever
find yourself in the position similar to the Posies, which
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is cabin patch Kevin's guardians drifting dangerously close to that
thin line separating you from dollish fantasy, just splash them
cold water on your face and repeat the following words.
Dolls are not real babies. Dolls are not real babies.
And that's the end of that one. That is Oh,
I literally am just like cringe, like that is so wrong,
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like so wrong. Who thought to do that?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I'm so torn on so many things because I feel,
like you said, it could be a gateway to bad things,
but it could be very therapeutic on the other end
for people that need it. I don't know how to feel.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
It's the extent that these are the extreme that these
people go to to create this life like baby. So
you get a baby doll, you basically dissect it. You
stuff it was saying, I mean, what do we make
it a gullum?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Well, it feels like a real baby, like if you
if you've ever held when it really feels real.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Put the pads in and so my thing is is
how do they put the fat thing he's in and
like dissect it and put it back together and not
make it look like Frankin baby.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Well, if they're dropping thousands of dollars on it, they
probably have a special what is it.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Like plastic surgeons.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Like legit rubber surgeons, a doctor certified and reborn doll surgery.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
There's scalpel. You just have a you have a row. Okay,
Oh my gosh. Like the old timey where you had
the audience watching in the surgery center. Yes, all cabbage
patch dolls.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
I love that at the creation. I'd be there watching
the surgery alongside.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I'd love Kevin in the in the sideline eating popcorn.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Hey, I wonder what Keaven's college fund is at. He
might be able to get a good girl off of that.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Hey, that is a good point, and.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Like, okay, someone out there for everyone, right.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
My thing is Kevin never grows, So that's concerning. And
if your purpose is to raise this child into a
functional adult who's then going to essentially or potentially go
off and get married have children.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I can just picture his father voicing being like, I
didn't eat my vegetables even to.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Me, baby, I can't do it. My mom's in the
other room.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Oh my gosh, Like how would you stage a date
he'd have a reborn doll over.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Oh oh god, it's getting worse. At least the cabbage
patch just okay, just make sure I never have it.
They don't have like anatomically correct.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
No, they're like they're like floppy in between, like raggedy
an do all kind of thing with xavier signature. It's
like right on their butt cheek. They have that signature.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Remember parents signed for a tattoo. I got ink baby.
I'm a bad boy. That just came out really weird.
That's not how I intended that to come out. But
I'm in bad as like a motorcycle bad, not like
a dirty baby. Jesus.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
But I can also see a lot of people loving
it because people like to collect some weird things like
and what is it harm? I used to love to
collect those troll dolls. Those things were so ugly. They
were cute, like I loved.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
And beanie babies.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I never got into the beanie baby fan, but I
know a lot of people that did, and they'd be like, oh,
that's the special edition Wallrus or whatever.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
You Well, mine was more so. I was in gymnastics
when I was little, and we would travel all over
the place because we were on a competitive gymnastics team,
and every time we had a meet, my mom would
buy me a Beanie baby. Oh that's cute. So I
ended up with a collection of them. I used to
have collector's Barbie dolls, but my mom had to hide
them so we didn't disfigure them.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Oh, my grandmother would buy him for me. There were signs.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, there were signs, but there were signs. I think
it's American Monster, is what the show's.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Called, right, I don't think I ever saw that.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Okay, well I think it's on like A and E
maybe all right, so yeah, oh my god, I still
can't get past. Okay, the ones that treat the doll
like it is real is picking a doll that is
very obviously not real. I mean what they do like
shit their pants when these other creepy dolls came out?
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I mean, how do they not realize? I mean do
they get Kevin, a a Karen or a Kathy or something,
and like preferably out of a different gene pool, unlike
you to like be as girlfriend. I mean, how does
that work? And then was missus posey being the voice
of her, because then it could just be like this
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whole like make believe kind of like playing the Sims, right,
so you have like this makeshift all for him and
a makeshift off for hers. That's like they can act
out there whatever with these dolls.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
That's really creepy.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, I am just I'm trying to think, dude.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
That it didn't say anything about them suffering any type
of trauma. Nope, like no, losing a child, nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
It didn't say anything because.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
If that was the case, I could see it as like,
you know how like in other cultures they well maybe
in this culture too, they make like the morning dolls
would like they'll put some of the child's hair on
it to feel close to them forever. Like that's kind
of sweet. But without having a loss and just keeping
this doll around, that's so weird.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I mean, now, I will say, uh, I mean, most
people who have children, you've got a book somewhere early
as anybody who was born in the nineties, there's a
book somewhere with your hair and your teeth in it,
just floating around collecting dust on some shelf. But that's
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different than like playing house, and like it is a
huge like starting to get fucking college fun. This kid,
this cabbage patch has more money than I do. Like,
this is horseshit, and it's a couple.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's not like just one person suffering from dementia that's like,
oh this is my you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Or maybe it's I mean, maybe it was the husband
and the wife's going along with it because maybe the
therapist is like, just let him have it, because if
he's under this what's the word I'm looking for. I
can't think of the delusion? I don't know, Yeah, this delusion,
thank you. If he's having this delusion and this is
what's going on, like if the wife were to try
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to correct him, it could break him mentally, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, So the the arty is.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Obviously, but sometimes if somebody does have a delusion and
they break from their version of reality, it can have
severe consequences for them.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
So strange because it could have so many reasons why
they're keeping it and why they're doing it, and a
lot of them are not good.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Mm hmm. It's like and then to me, it's with
those creepy I just you're putting real people hair in
these baby dolls. You're reforming their sucking mouths.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, why would you need to do that again? It
can go complete polar opposite reasons, like either really good
or really bad.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
I mean, if it's a baby doll. Remember those baby
dolls that they made. I was like in the two
thousands and they had the little bottle. There's like an
orange juice and a milk, and you like put the
baby the bottle in the baby's mouth and it would
like make somehow make the liquid disappear.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
A magic trick which we will never understand how it works,
turn it over and it's back.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I was like, who, nothing is spilt.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
What do you remember the babies they used to you'd
feed them and the poop, Yeah, what were those? It
was like orange spin poop came out of them and
then you just yeah, like was it oopsie Daisy? No,
I don't remember what they.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Were called with the with the dolls with the bottles though.
I mean I used to get confused because you couldn't
make the stupid shit disappear. It had to be in
the baby's mouth to disappear. And I was like, wow,
is this working? And I remember trying to like dissect
mine to figure out how it worked. I didn't apparently
have a problem with dissection, but I did. I used
to cut my barbies open because I wanted to know
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how their joints bent, because I had some that they
actually bent mm hmm. And I couldn't figure out why
some of the barbies did and some of the barbies didn't.
So I would cut their legs open.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
And they're kind of just being like mahaw come and
half of these are from Dolla Tree and the other
one's the real ones.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Because I didn't trust anyone man, it was. I wanted
to figure out how it worked. I was a very
analytical person at a very young age. Right, some things
don't change. I still very much am like, hey, let's
take it apart, figure out how it works. To put
it back together, Like I just like doing that. I
want to know how it works, why it works, you know,
can you make it better? Whatever? I did give her
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band aids when I put her back together, though, how
kind of you, I know, Oh my gosh. There was
an episode of God what was it? Was it? House?
I think it was House where they had the guy
that was really sick and he had the very realistic
he kept saying he had a girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I'd never watched House and like he sent.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
So they go to the guy's house because they're like, oh,
he says he's got a girlfriend, you know, but we can't.
You know, no one's ever met her, blah blah blah blah.
But he's like very adamant. And so they go to
his apartment to search for what could be causing his illness,
probably illegally because it always was illegally. And they're like, oh,
like there's like a dozen rows on the counter to
so and so from so and so, and they're like,
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maybe he does have a girlfriend. Uh they she's just
not home and like love letters that he would write her.
And they're like, Okay, maybe he does have a girlfriend. Cool.
And then they walk in his room and there's this
extremely realistic sex doll that was his girlfriend. He dressed her,
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he fed her, like treated her like a human, would
buy her gifts and like put give him to her.
It was his theory was he was not good with people.
He was a very socially awkward man, and he came
across this doll. It was like a fifteen thousand dollars
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sex doll, very custom made everything, and she was made
out of like I think it was like certain type
of silicone and everything. It wasn't like one of those
like blow up dolls. I mean it was like a
real I mean she looked real, and he just said
that he tried talking to real women and he either
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got like berated or embarrassed or you know, humiliated, or
he couldn't handle the rejection, repeated rejection. So he ordered
himself a girlfriend and they would sit and watch movies.
He would talk to her, tell her all of his
secrets because she was, you know, quote unquote a good listener.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Well that's way better than being a serial killer.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
True. But I remember there was a pocket they did,
like a CT scanter or something stupid on this doll,
and they were afraid there was mold or something in
the doll that was making him sick. And there was
like this pocket of air and they had to do
like they were like, well let's cut this pocket open.
But they got they had to get considered. This guy
was losing his shit because they had to like they
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were treating it like it was a doll and not
like a human. And so they ended up to make
because of his delusion. Well it wasn't really a delusion.
He knew that she was a doll, but it was
just like in his head it was fair excusing anyway.
So they take a scalpel, they take her into like
a surgery room, cut her open, removed yes, with the
little air pocket and like got the stuff out of
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the air pocket and tested it. And they sewed her
back together like with stitches and put a band aid
on her for his benefit. Okay, and they were like,
surgery was great. They brought her in on a wheelchair.
It was weird. It was very weird. But there's people
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out there that do that. And I mean, I'm not
gonna yuck. They're young. I mean, as long as it's
not like creepy like a baby doll, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Yeah, it's weird to me. But you're not harming anybody.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, you're not hurting anything. You're getting what you need.
You know, you're feeling good about it, better about yourself.
Everybody's different, not approcreating. Yeah, everybody's different. And so I
wouldn't want I wouldn't drop fifteen grand on a sex doll.
But that's just me. But I still can't get over
the freaking creepy ass baby. But they was so real
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shit into this baby and like put the weight in
to be like a oh that is so I'm with them.
I feel that if it is very obviously fake, it
is not a real baby, it does not look like
a real baby, it is a lot easier to accept.
But when they started going into these very realistic babies, like,
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that's when shit gets creepy.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, I keep thinking about I don't know if you
remember the anatolely moscovin case m h. He was a
Russian guy that was obsessed with cemeteries and he kept
digging up little girls and making them into dolls and
he had like tons of them around his house when
he was found. Ew yeah youw Yeah I covered him
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a while back. I'm stupid.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I'm still like I just can't.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
But he has this warped a thing like he's saving them. Yeah,
I mean's his mentality, like I'm taking them, I'm giving
them life again, I'm making them happy.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
I mean I do that with animal bones, but don't
make them into an animal. Or who is that guy?
I think you covered this guy. He met the girl
of his dreams or whatever, but she was like sick, oh,
and so he took care of her, but that she died,
so he was like putting like piping into places so
that he could, yeah, and like keeping this like wig
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and like wrapping her and stuff and like with like
dance with her and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Oh, I can't think of his name.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Died, Like he dug her up.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
He gave himself like titles, was like pount and this
and that, but I can't remember her name.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, and like the parents were like, oh my gosh,
thank goodness, she found someone who's gonna like pale or
medical expenses and and all of that, so they just
like let it go.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
The weirdest part of that story was after she passed,
he went to her parents' house and was like, hey,
can I have some of her hair? And the parents
will like, sure, here, and they gave him a whole
bunch of her hair. Which why did the parents have
a bunch of her hair? And why would you just
give it to this guy?
Speaker 1 (47:08):
Okay, I don't remember where the story took place, but
I can say that there are hair is very important
in a lot of cultures.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
Give to a random person.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
If that was the love of her life and she
married him, she.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Didn't, she didn't like him, She never dated him. She
was like get away from me.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
I thought eventually she like gave in because he was
paying for her shit.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
No, he paid for her stuff and followed her around,
but she never dated him.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
But I'm just saying I can see in some sense
you look at it one of two ways. Either one.
The hair is very important, like the lifeline. Like you
have religions where you do not cut your hair period
you just never cut your hair. Like if you cut
your hair, you're essentially like disband, You're shunned because the
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whole you know, your life is connected to your hair,
or your soul is connected to your hair. I don't
know how, but whatever, teach their own and then you
have voodoo dolls. One of the best things you could
do for witchcraft or any type of thing would be
to have a lock of hair right right, Which is
interesting because they say, you know, usually you want something
with like a DNA, but if you just cut your
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hair at the end, it doesn't have your DNA, so
that's kind of ironic. But beliefs or beliefs, but there
are a lot where locks of hair are important. I mean, hell,
I could go right now and I could chop this
off and make money off my hair just because other
people want it to wear on their own heads, which,
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if you think about it, sounds really morbid.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, really, they do, like locks of love and stuff
when your hair.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
To me, cutting another human's hair and wearing it on
your head is weird. Like if I got a wig,
I probably would not want human hair.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Agreed, And I don't know if I could even do
horse hair because it's too close to their button for
my comfort.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Well, I would just hope that they're cutting it off
the maid and there's no guarantee.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
You don't know where it's coming from.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
That's true, and.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
You're probably not getting full made. You're probably getting half
tail hair part that you don't know.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
True. Okay, you got a good point. I never thought
of that. I never thought of that way to ruin
that for me. I guess horse hairs out now. But
it's like then again, I struggle with organ donation. I mean,
on one hit, it's great that these people are surviving,
but they do say that like the DNA from whoever
you are getting it merges with yours, you are no
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longer just you. You are you and another person.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Those cases are weird. When you like fall in love
with the same person or yeah, have some of the
same habits once you've gotten like a heart transplant or
something that the donor had.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yep, or those people that this is, I can't remember
what they're called. There's a word for them. To me.
This blows my mind because it really happens and it
sounds so sci fi. In uterome, there could be an
egg that goes to split into twins or the two
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or in there anyway, there's two. There's two fetuses in
there and they absorb into one. Yes, when they are born,
that person has two sets of DNA. Their saliva and
their sperm do not have the same DNA.
Speaker 2 (50:41):
Every single time. They don't.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
There no, no, this is just it's a weird anomaly
that happens not every twin, because there's a lot of
people that like absorb their twin and it's not a
big deal. But I remember there was this at least
one case where this guy was I mean, all the
evidence pointed to this man being responsible for like this murder,
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like assault and murder, and but they tested as DNA
via swab because that's how they do it, and it
didn't match. And they're like, there's no way it is
not this man, and it took him a while, and
eventually I think somebody got it was like either blood
draw or like I think it was either blood draw
or sperm donated. Somehow they got the other and then
(51:25):
it matched out of the same man that they just like.
They even re swabbed him and the swab was negative again,
but the blood work was.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Yeah, and there's a word for them, and it's very
very very rare, but it does happen, and that's just weird.
It's super weird.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
I guess it's all I got.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Well, that was very interesting. I I don't know how
I feel about.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
Yeah, I'm still digesting. I just I can't past the
fake babies. I can't get past the realistic fake babies. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
See, I would never go out and buy one of them,
But I don't knock somebody if they had some kind
of loss or needed them for emotional support. But I
one hundred percent would go and buy a cabbage patch
doll tomorrow if I saw one that I liked.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
Now, imagine you go to some you meet this couple
and they've got this baby.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Me and Kevin are getting hitched.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
No, no, no, no, they've got one of those creepy babies.
They've like got it swaddled or something, and you're like, oh,
let me see your baby. And they hand you this
baby and it's a fox like a baby. Like what
do you do?
Speaker 2 (52:39):
You give it back politely walk away, but.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
You know what I mean. Like they're like, oh, yeah,
this is our you know, son, and blah blah blah
blah blah. And he's three months old the audio and
you're like, oh, can I hold and they're like yeah, sure,
and then they hand it to you and it's like
just a baby doll. Like how do you respond?
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Hey bye?
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Like oh, he's so cute here you can have him back,
and then like do that Homer Simpson into the like shrubbery.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
Noop, gotta go. I have a lot of people that
know where I am.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
Yeah right, I've got life seat three sixty share my
location with fifty people. I'm on a live stream.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
Boyfriend is around the corner.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
He's super strong. Oh my god, I do is say
the same word.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, oh that.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Is too funny. But all right, well go home and
kiss your babies, I guess real or fake, do your whatever,
Just none of that creepy shit. Man. You see something
say something and again, give people help if they need help.
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There are resources, people, there are resources.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
And remember clean your sex dolls.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
Oh yes, very thoroughly clean. The sex stalls all holes
all the time.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Man.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
But I guess until next time, everybody, we'll see you.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
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