Valentina's Day

We discuss the most recent OTA and the upcoming card, Valentina Allegra de Fontaine.

Episode Transcript

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Hey guys, and welcome to episodethirteen of Cubed, the Marvel Snap Podcast.
And tonight we have the group backtogether. Can you give me some
clappies? Don? It's the clap? Yeah? Wait? Is Don frozen?

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Yes? Apparently I'm here. Ithasn't been deep in thought, so
I don't know if you want tofix it, but we'll just we'll keep
rolling until what you know, youraudio is good. So I do like
this look. It just has youreally deep in thought. So tonight we

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have the group back together. Donis actually there, it's just if you
are watching, it's just as camerafroze, so it's not really So we
have Don aka Dark Helmet, andwe have bock Choi aka Dakota. So
how's everybody doing tonight? There isno down. I will say it is

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kind of tough because I don't knowwhen you're gonna talk now, Don,
So well, tonight we're actually goingto be covering you know, it might
not be a long show, butwe'll see. I know we always say
that, but we kind of goon for about an hour sometime an hour

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twenty. But tonight we're gonna becovering the most recent Ota that we just
had and then we'll go over theWhite Widow, uh, the card from
last week, and we'll go intoValentina de Fontaine coming the tomorrow's card that
is coming out. So with thatsaid, I kind of want to start

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with the update or the Ota.So we got quite Let's see, we
got quite a few cards change.We got two four six six cards changed,
and they all don't I mean twoof them were the most recent cards
this month. So how do youFirst of all, how do you guys

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feel about them either buffing or nerfingcards that came out earlier in this month.
Let's get start with you Dakota.You know, it's kind of frustrating
because if you're saving up your tokens, you know, because you want to
just buy it, you don't wantto deal with the spotlight, or if
you're saving up your keys to geta card and then have it in the

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same season change, it's it's reallyfrustrating, you know, Like, I
get it right, We all kindof saw what was going to happen with
the Red Hulk, but maybe theyshould have fixed it before they dropped it.
Yeah, like yeah, okay,it seems like it could be a
broken card. We all see thatthat's why we wanted it, right,

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because hey, this is gonna begood in any deck. So it's a
little frustrating that they keep dropping cardsand then immediately nerving it, you know,
like they did this with Mobius,they did this with trying to think
other cards that just keeps getting thisbackhand and it's I don't know, I'm
gone to look at the other onesat the moment. Mobius is one for
sure, and I don't know.It's a little frustrating, to say the

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least. How about yourself done?Man, I'm so upset, I'm not
even gonna share my view and I'mjust gonna look over here all night now.
I'm real. Look, when thiscard came out, right, let's
talk about ran Hulk. It cameout, we all knew this card's immediately

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getting nerfed, right. It isjust too much. Now. It was
interesting the route they went to nerfit. You know, personally, I
thought that they were going to gomaybe reduce the amount of power that it
gets per energy not spent, butinstead of just decided, hey we'll just
drop a two power. Yeah.I'm not sure how much that's actually helped,

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but it does seem like it's uppeda little bit in the whole situation.
At least this card is still viablewith this nerf like versus other cards
where you've just gotten these really crappythings that have happened to them, right,
or for instance, you know,I'd rather have spend the six thousand
on this one than I would onother cards, like I don't know Pixie,

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which is gonna be like the cardthat I just harp on from now
until eternity. The fact that it'sa Tier A group five cards and here
we are just ridiculous. Yeah,I feel like them kind of nerfing cards
that they release earlier in the month. It kind of shows a lack of

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lack of attention to detail for thedevs, especially because they're supposed to playtest
these cards before releasing them, right, So either they're the developers don't have
somebody that's good enough to play,or they're not spending enough time actually playing

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the card, you know. Soit's kind of worrisome because when they release
cards like this, and like youguys mentioned, you spend your resources hard
earn or hard bot you know,like you don't just get money out of
nowhere, right, You got towork from somebody's got to work for that

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money, right, especially that theprices that they're charging right now. You
know, so either way, you'respending resources that are difficult to obtain either
way, and for it to changejust later in the month, like if
you buy you know, uh,you know, I'm gonna go to like

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a Triple A game, Right ifyou buy a Triple A game and they,
you know, they change it,like say they maybe not drastically change
it, but say they they theychanged the Triple A game to suck a
little bit more, right, itwould it would feel like, hey,

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wow, that that wasn't the pricepoint I was expecting. That wasn't what
I was buying, you know.Uh So it's kind of shady as a
business to do. I mean,I'm not saying it's shady to have OTAs.
I agree that there should be OTAsto make the metas fresh, to

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to buff cards, to nerf cardsthat are doing well. Now, for
it to have an effect on cardsthat are just being released, it is
very worrisome with the the state ofthe game, because, like I said,
you go into it trying to buya Lamborghini and then you end up

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with a freaking Honda, you know, and I can say that I drive
a Honda, so I do know. Lamborghini is an upgrade. So is
it sucks? But you know itis what it is. I hope they
do better in playtesting their cards.So, without further ado, I do

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want to go into the otah.The first card, of course, is
the one that Don mentioned is ared Hulk. So he changed from a
six' eleven to a six'nine. Nothing else changed. He still
gets plus four h power every timea an opponent ends a turn without any

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with any unspent energy. So dongo. So if you could go a
little into this on what do youwhat do you think about the change on
this card? Honestly before we getto this card, I do want to
address something else though, Oh yeah, I think about the cards, right,
Yeah, of course. I actuallythink it's good that they change this

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card as quick as they did,right, if you saw it taking such
a big share of the meta.Yes, I think the problem is is
you see them nerf cards so quicklythat they never buff cards quickly, right,
that's very true. That that's whereI feel, Actually I get ripped
off a little bit more because like, look this card, like let's you
know, jumping into it. Right, it's still a six nine, right,

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It has the potential if they don'tspend two energy to be a six
seventeen. Right, that is reallygood power, right to play on one
turn? Uh, it still hasa lot of use. I think there
is actually a better look at whatthis card should have been versus what it
was before, right, because youcould see okay, it popped off once,

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right, and you could see thatthe energy popped off for the other
player, like okay, now Iknow I need to spend all of my
energy every turn to keep this fromgetting bigger. Yeah, now, sorry.
Would you have gotten this card ifit came out as a six'
nine? I think so, Likelooking at the card, Hey, look
I'm working. I know you justI was like, oh my god,

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yeah, so go ahead. Wasso would you have bought this card?
I would. I would have definitelystill gotten this card, right, like
I said, if it was six' nine to begin with, you know,
hey, but then also like thefact that it keeps increasing if you
don't use it, and you seehope out there still a lot right,
Yeah, I feel like this cardis still a great card. Right.

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You still run into it out therein the meta. Yeah, I don't
see I see that obviously as anerve, but I think this is actually
a good thing that they reacted asquickly as they did versus you know,
not bucking cards as quickly as itreally should be. Okay, how about
yourself to go to how do youfeel about the nerf on this card?
Well, like I said, Iwas getting frustrated because it's just like I

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feel like every time something comes out, it gets smacked. But in the
and the truth is with this cardbringing it down to what it is now,
it still won't stop it, right, m hmm. Don had a
good point with that, and soI agree with him. After hearing his
his take on it, I guessI'm a little heated just because I'm getting
sick of them doing this all thetime. But yeah, you know,

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he's right at the at the endof the day, that's it's really not
a dead card at all. Imean, you're still gonna be winning games.
It's better than the blob right nowin the curtain meta, just because
we have mil decks out there andyou your likelihood of having a massive blob
at the end is really going tobe there as much. Yeah, your
ability to just continually grow because you'reyou're opponent is passing on energy. So

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yeah, it's still gonna have astronghold it. I wouldn't be surprised if
it's not done getting nerved. They'llprobably make it like only a plus three
or something like that, or maybeeven just a plus two in the soon
to be. I wouldn't be surprisedat all by that, to be honest
with you. But yeah, Imean, here we are with it.

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I would be curious to see howlong it takes before it gets hit again.
My prediction, I'm gonna say thenext ota it's gonna get hit again.
Oh okay, well that's very bold. So I don't know. I
think like this, Yes, theydid nerf it fast, but going back

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to what I was saying before,I feel like if they play tested it
more, they would have seen,Okay, this is actually what it should
have been released at. Because Iagree, I still would have bought it
at a six' nine just beforethe numbers alone, you know, but
the effect alone, you know,plus four you skip one turn. If

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this card is in your hand,turn one, you skip one turn.
It becomes a six thirteen like I'mtrying to think of like cards that are
six thirteen. I can't really thinkof anything six thirteen. I don't think
they're six thirteen. But you know, there's stuff stronger, definitely, but

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this one card alone, it's insane. It's also a deterrent. Like I've
had games where I see it andthen in the back of my head,
I'm just like, geez, Igotta keep playing cards. I gotta keep
using my energy because turn six theycould just throw down the Red Hulk.
Now, they don't always throw itdown to the Red Hulk because it's not

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always the the optimal move, butit's something in the back of your mind,
you're like, God, it's intheir hand, right, So it's
a deterrent, which is really good. And on top of that, like,
is Red Hulk you know, justa question. I don't know if
you guys ever read Hulk comics.Do you know if Red Hulk is actually

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supposed to be stronger than Hulk.I don't think he's stronger, but he
does pull energy, which is kindof like the card. So I mean,
oh he does yeah, okay,so he absorbs energy. Yes,
that's okay. I didn't know that. Yeah, so Okay, that's very
interesting. Didn't know that. Soit it you know, it does what

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the character does in the comics aswell. Now I could see what you
were saying it going to a plusthree that, and I wouldn't mind it
staying at a six' nine,just because if you skip one turn,
it becomes like the Hulk, right, So it's on par with the Hulk.

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Now, Evolved Ulk is another question, right that, And you know,
going into Evolved Hulk, you know, we don't get to see that,
so we don't get to see whenthe opponent draws it. We don't
know how long it's been there,if it's gaining power, So that one,
you know, that kind of keeps. But you know, I think

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if you see that they're playing evo, you kind of know that they have
it, I guess, but youknow that that's the trade, right,
So I feel like it going downto six' nine and changing it to
a plus three at least it's acomparable to the Hulk. Yeah, So

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any additional things you guys want toadd on Red Hulk, you know,
I would like to see, likeif they're gonna nerve it. Yeah,
I think this would be a kindof a cool idea. I think the
first turn it actually gains two energy, right, then the next turn it
games three, and then the nextgames four. So like, it's one

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of those things that the more youignore it, the bigger of an issue
it becomes. But at least thatfirst one doesn't feel crazy. Right now,
I have a I'll play Devil's Advocate. What if it gains two right
the very first turn? What happensif you actually use all your energy but

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the next turn you skip energy?Does a game three? Or is a
game two? Again? Game three? So each turn that you would okay,
so it gives higher up. Isee, hmmm, that's very interesting.
That's genius hire this man coding coding. That would be one of those

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things where it's not quite as punitivethe first time you miss it, right,
yeah, like, but you alsoknow it's there, but now you
know if you don't do something,that's on you. Okay, So what
do you think they they buffet tosix ten and then it does that effect
because one skip makes it a hulk. Right, so at least you're like,
okay, goo, whoaa, Igotta start playing my energy now.

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If you don't becomes a stronger,you know, stronger than the Hulk.
But even a six eleven, likeeven that's a solid six play card,
right. That's yes, I guessin the sense in the sense of like,
okay, there's a good chance they'renot going to use all their energy.

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Yeah, it's very true. Imean, with hope around, a
lot of people are having extra energyand this is kind of a way to
punish them. So I mean,six eleven. It's kind of a weird
stat to me though, you know, six eleven. I feel like six
twelve is like where like even numbers, but it is. It is a

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weird stat. But the thing isis what's the downside on this card?
Like look at all the other cardsthat are right around that, like the
recent cards, even something like theBlob. Right, he takes a bunch
of cards from your deck towards them. You look at well, first of

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all, the Wholk unless you haveEVO there, you know, he's just
right. I think it fits rightinto a good spot where again, it's
not overpowering, but it is agood stat line overall. And if you

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don't, if you screw up,then boom, they're there. That's true.
I can see that happening. Imean, I think the only thing
I would say about that is theywouldn't do that just for the coding thing.
You know, You're like, ohman, I have to add more

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lines to this code. Heck no, I have to change it to like
an x exponential code. What ifthey change it's where the Hulk doesn't need
evo. He does that ability becauseit's the Hulk. And if Red Hulk
is taking energy from someone else andbeefing up, why doesn't the Hulk just
on his own and instead of putgiganto in that place. Okay, so

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or change it around for something wherehe could be in the Higo deck,
give him a different ability, ButI think the Hulk should be able to
do that without high ego. Okay, you bring up a good question,
and I'm gonna reword this question foryou so we can it's like it's all
encapsulating. Okay. Do you feeldo you guys feel that non effect cards

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should have existed? I think theystill should exist, and the main reason
is because there's a whole deck builton non There's a whole deck built on
it, right, Yeah, likeyou have Patriot that is the deck that
is now Do I think that necessarilysome of the cards that are non effect

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or should be a non effect.No, they're definitely some of them should
be some of them should have effects, right, like like the Hulk,
come on, Like that should bea pretty badass card, and without high
EVO it's not. Yeah, andI don't even like, you know,
we we mess around about talking aboutlike canonically right really the Hulk, yeah,

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high evo come on. I wassaying the same thing about like Cyclops.
Cyclops is such a good card,you know, or good character that
for him not to have an effectfor so long it was so weird.
Now, Uh, how would youchange this then? Like what cards do
you think should be st of theireffect become non effect cards and work with

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high evo. I think what youdo is you because like things that I
could maybe like Rocket Raccoon, maybeyou know, maybe it would make Guardians

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pretty good, where like they don'tall have the same effect, because I
think that's got to be the mostlaziest design, right where all the Guardians
are the same effect, just differentpower, different costs. Where not all
the Avengers have the same effect.Why are you lumping in the Guardians with

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the same kind of you know,like I feel like it could have been
better, and it would be coolto say, to see that all the
guardians became like I keep one tosaying colors colorless cards, but like effectless
cards, and then their effects arebrought out by like, you know,

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high Evo. I got a bettersolution. Yeah, okay, we're making
the high EVO deck, right,Yes, So here's what happens. You
put HYAEVA in your deck, andevery card in the deck, right,
mutates into some experiment, right,some random experiment cards. So now you
just have a high EVO with twelverandom ass cards that do various effects.

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So and in that so, sobasically your deck, your high EVO would
kind of like at the beginning ofTurn right, it just morph your deck
into an experiment. Okay, it'sa bunch of cards that have and basically
what it does it will shuffle theabilities of those twelve cards and the cost
of those twelve cards. Oh soyou're it's basically yeah, what you would

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do is you would create you know, a solid like eleven cards, right
that do some really cool stuff exceptbetter. I like it, But the
only thing that I don't like aboutit is that it's not I know,

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it is related to what high Evodoes, but then it kind of makes
it a one card deck. Right. You're like, okay, well,
I'm playing high Evo, so buildinga deck, it doesn't matter what card
you put in it, right,there's I think there has to be some
type of deck building that you stillneed into it. So that's why I

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do like what he does now becausehe does unlock uh effects, but I
just think it's for the wrong cardsnew idea. It's completely getting rid of
the deck. Right. Basically hehas he has a sixth card rotation,

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right, and he got three experimentsthat are put into your deck. Right,
you go, except that this wouldbe kind of like a mix between
Nico and Wow. I was thinkingThanos. So he so he shuffles like
three experiments into the deck. Yes, oh that would be pretty cool.

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It's like tiefs the otter Girl andthen the bunny, but each one does
something different, right, and thenin the end of the game they die.
I don't know. I don't knowwhy we're the like on a tangent.

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It was just way down the rabbithole. It's no, it's a
really good hot take, just becauseyou know, coming into the game when
Hi Evo wasn't released. I alwaysthought, you know, why doesn't the
hull cabin effect? Why doesn't youknow cyclops have an effect? Why is
it a wasp? You know,like where they you know, they couldn't

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think of one. So they're justlike, let's create effectless cards, right
or not an effect cards that way, and then we'll make Patriot where he's
gonna affect, you know, cardswith no abilities now, you know.
I guess Patriot is to inspire.He inspires the normal people. That's why

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he buffs you know, I don'tknow, but those aren't normal people.
Those are some of the best charactersin the Marvels universe. So it always
confused me. Yeah, for aHulk to not have an ability as strange.
I mean, the thing doesn't haveone either, right, very strong,

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But then I guess just comes downto the big question like, well
what would it have. I mean, their effects right now are good,
but drawing the ability to draw highEVO is such a dead card, right,
Like you can't really do anything withit sometimes. I guess, you
know, it's good because it's afour to four beat stick, but other

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than that, I mean, it'skind of just a card to put in
the deck to use. The bettercards, you are the better effects,
and these effects should have been withthe cards already. Like, man,
the things affect losts effect, allthose effects are all really good. They
I gotta say, the devs didreally good on each of their effects.

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It's just why, why why wasthat needed? I don't know. I
don't know how to word it anybetter. I feelure, man, they
need a nerve Quicksilver too, ormaybe like that, like one of the

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cards you know that that need abuff High Evo buffs them in some way,
like, uh, you just mentionedQuicksilver. You throwing Captain America in
there, So it's just like,ah, we buffed it, but you
gotta play high Evo to get theball. Oh man, all right,

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so that was our uh what fiveten minute tangent there. So the second
card, yeah, oh yeah,I got it two thousand years later.
So the next card that they actuallybuffed was USA Agent US Agent the way

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the card so US Agent And thisis another card that came out this month.
So I mean, yes, they'rebuffing yet, but I don't know.
It's just it's another thing. Sohe goes from giving four, five,
and six costs negative three power togiving four, five, and six

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costs negative four power. So thisisn't and it becomes well, it's always
an ongoing So how do you feelabout the change on this card down about
the same as before. You know, it's it's a very niche card.
I'm not sure that the fact thatthat one extra negative power really does too

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much sense. You know, likewe talked about before, this card actually
only affects those higher cost cards.How often do you stack those really high
host high cost cards in one laneother than if you're playing you know,
the tribunal deck right, any othertime, you're not really stacking. So

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I don't see we're gonna think we'regonna see that much more play out of
this card. Okay, how aboutyourself, Dakota. I agree with Don
on that one big time. You'reyou're really rarely gonna be able to just
put all those higher costs in onelane. And if you see that they're
starting to run a deck that lookslike they're gonna be putting out us Agent,
you just try to play around it, you know. So Yeah,

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it's it's a niche card, notthe best. Okay. Yeah, So
I did leave a comment for oneof our I responded to a comment that
we had in our instagram that youknow, somebody based one of their decks
around US Agent and I find Ifind out really hard to build around him

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just because he is a two threeso two costs three power. Like if
you play him on turn two,the opponent will just avoid it, right,
Like sorry, I had to burnand if and then if you play
it late, then say you playit on either turn four five six,

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that means on turn four five six, you could play a two three four
you know, along with US Agent, So that means you're kind of losing
out on playing a good turn byhaving to play this card. So having
the minus four power there, Idon't know, Like honestly, it's if

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it's non non shang chiable, thenyou just beat it with power, right,
It's not like you beat it bysubtracting power from it. You kind
of wanted to go high so thatyou can shunk chie it exactly. So
I don't know it was it's sucha weird and like don mentioned a niche
card, like I don't see itmuch and if any at all, I

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did see a lot of it whenI tried to play Tribunal and you know
it was it seems like it wasjust a counter for that for that so
it's kind of weird. Still betterthan Captain America, Oh, definitely,
unfortunately. So the next card thatthey buffed was Jean Gray. She went

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from a three to three to athree four. Go ahead and tell us
about this one, Dakota. Shewent from a three three to three four.
Yeah, so, I mean,you're gonna get a little extra power
in that lane. That's great,But I still feel like when it comes
down to your control bend, you'reprobably gonna want to do something a little
differently. Storm would be my goto instead of Her, which just just

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because I never have the luck whenI play her. I never get the
cards that allows me to like fillthe lane and move on, so it
just doesn't work as well for me. Yeah, So, I mean interesting,
I don't know if they're doing thisbecause there's something coming up that they
want to have more of this controlstyle in the next season or something.
I don't know. Okay, yeah, how about yourself done? You know

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sad to say, but I lovethis card, Like, it's so much
fun when you're playing. Wait,why is it sad? Just some really
beme decks like, oh okay,I love grabbing this card and putting all
the Guardians in. Yeah, andjust like I'm guaranteeing that I'm gonna pop
those Guardians off, right, andit's just fun to do. I'm glad

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that they added a little bit morepower. Again, I'm not sure control
wise this is going to do toomuch, but I'll say what, I'll
take that extra power. Yep.I really really enjoy just messing around with
this card. Yeah, so Ifeel that the buff to this card,
she wasn't really getting any play.And I know that you mentioned the Guardians

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act. I know you made aGuardian zac that really helped you and you're
having fun with it, don So, Yeah, it's nice that they are
buffing cards that aren't seeing too muchplay that way. Uh, players that
just want to mess around, youknow, like they reach infinite and they
just want to have fun, right, So it's it's cool that they're doing

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that. Now. It wasn't auseless card by all means. So I'm
kind of wondering how they go aroundpicking the cards that Nada needs to buff
while you know, still skipping someSo I don't know. Uh, gen
Gray is a good card. Itit's always been a good card. You

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weren't really using it for its hour, but I guess, uh, it
helps contend the lane. So,I mean, I don't know what more
they they were really going for onthat one, but it is what it
is. It still does the samething. And uh yeah, next one.

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So the next one is stature,so they change her from a five
to six to a five seven,So not too much there, uh with
that still does the same effect.A one to seven wouldn't be too bad
when playing this, Like if youropponent discards a card, playing a one

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seven is not bad because a oneseven would be like playing a what's his
name? The the alien looking oneebony mall. It's like playing an ebony
mall without having the everyone yeah,without having the downside of locking the lane.

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Right, So cool buff to goto you have Anything's ad? Yeah?
No, I mean I think it'sinteresting that they went for it.
A discard definitely has a strong holdin the meta still, so it's interesting
that they would do something like thisto increase your chances to well, I

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guess interesting. It's cool that they'retrying to get you another style to build
yours, you know, like fightinga lot of discard people in your meta.
This is a little trick in thepocket, little tool in your belt.
Okay, so yeah, that's coolwith me. Like I said,
everything right now, we're having powerinflation. So the things that they did
where they brought a lot of cardsdown, we're seeing them bring those cards

(34:44):
back up because they're introducing cards thatjust get stupidly big. So it makes
sense to me that they're doing this. Okay, how about yourself done?
I mean, this is just thecard sending back to where it started,
right because they nerved it when theGood Cards deck was really controlling the meta.
Yes, and so this is justputting her back to where she belongs.

(35:07):
I like that. You know,it's back to a five to seven.
It's really useful if you're playing acouple of different cards. It makes,
you know, cards like Black Bowland Moonnight Silver Samurai a little more
viable to play with. So it'sgood. I like it. Okay,

(35:30):
cool, Yeah, it's a goodchange. Like like you guys said,
just moving her back to what shewas. I actually forgot she was she
started at that because of the GoodCards. Yeah, you're right, So
it's been it's been a while.Since that's actually been relevant, so you
know, it is what it is. She's back to where she is.

(35:51):
The next one they change is Mantis, So, uh they changed her from
a tow two to a one two. So have you have you guys been
using this card at all? No? No, okay, So how do
you feel about the change on thecard? Dawn? Again, it's it's

(36:17):
pretty much the same, like Iyeah, yeah, yeah, the record
is change anything for me? Okay. If I'm playing a guardian's deck,
I'm typically not playing this one inthe first place. I'd much rather play
Rocket Raccoon than Mannace. I cansee it being useful for like if you're

(36:39):
playing a you know, steal acard from the opponent in the hand or
deck. But the truth of thematter is is this such a crapshoot that?
Yeah? Okay, how about yourself, Dakota, Yeah, I think
that there's better car cards that youdon't really you have twelve slots. This

(37:04):
one does not fit the bill.I don't see that going into any of
them earlier pools. Yeah, Imean Mantis. When you first got her,
she was like, oh sweet,here we go. We're able to
mess with the enemy a little bit. They've changed the text a lot from
when we started the game to whatit is now. I still just don't
see its relevance. I don't knowat what point you would want to play
this card to steal whatever that youropponent's doing, because you know you're relying

(37:28):
too much on what they're doing.Yeah, I just I see this card
as kind of a meh okay,yeah, I agree, Like, uh,
to play this card, you'd haveto read your opponent very well.
I would say this card was isprobably good against destroy just because you know
what they're gonna do. Like ifif you know they're gonna only play Venom

(37:53):
in the lane, it'd be cool. It's cool to play Mantis in the
same lane and then you copy theirVenom. That gets huge. Now.
Other than that, you know youdon't know when they're gonna play Death.
You don't. I mean you couldcount like, oh okay, yeah,
they destroyed enough cards to play Death, but where are they going to play

(38:15):
it? Where are they gonna play? No? And on top of that,
you're only copying the card. It'snot like Leader, where you're also
putting it on your side. Right, So if you play this turn six,
you better you hope you better hopeyou have a turn seven because you
just got another card for no reason. So for you to copy that card

(38:35):
and not be able to play it'sit's it's not as useful as as some
cards. So I mean, thethe only deck I could see it being
used in is probably Loki. Butthere's, like you guys said, there's
so much better cards that Loki canhave two and you don't have to play
a guess. You don't have toplay you know, guestimation. So I

(38:58):
don't know. It's it's such aweird card to play already, but I
guess putting it at a one itmakes it more rewarding, right, so
you not having to use so muchenergy to play the card and guess wrong,
you don't feel so bad. SoI mean, it's kind of like

(39:20):
The Guardians, where like if youplay Rocky Raccoon, you don't feel as
bad if you miss Rocket Raccoon asyou feel bad missing a Gomorrah. So
that's the thing there. But itdoes have a Guardian synergy where you still
have to guess the opponent's lane.So now, the last card that they

(39:42):
buffed was Jane Foster the Mighty thorand she just changed from an eight power
to a nine power. So,Dakota, have you messed with the as
Guardian deck at all? You know, I actually just built one about maybe
an hour ago before we started doingthis. When I got home, I

(40:05):
wanted to mess around with it becauseI got beat by one pretty good,
really pretty bad. It is sobad. It was good, I mean
additional it was really good. Thatadditional power. I mean, it's not
insane, but it's enough. Soyou know, it's exciting to see.
Like I said, it's we're inthat power inflation. Everything's so it's kind

(40:28):
of cool to have the little pump. So yeah, I mean it's pretty
cool. Okay, how about yourself, don how do you feel about that
change? I mean, anytime youcan give a card a little bit more
power, I like it. Soif you look at it compared to like,
let's say Thor himself, right,he starts as a three four,

(40:50):
he does his mule neer one time, he becomes a three to ten,
right, I think this is agood Like it's right in that nice little
power. It's a little bit betterthan you know, the five turns when
you're playing against stuff like modoc orsomething like that, so it just gives
you that extra little bit, andas we know, there's way too many

(41:13):
games to lose by one power.Having this to kind of help control lane
is nice. Yeah, okay,yeah, I feel like I don't know,
for me, I felt like itwas unnecessary. I mean a lot
of it was unnecessary, But Ifeel like they were looking for things to
buff, which I think the communityhas kind of made it very loud and

(41:37):
clear on what they should look into. But like like you mentioned on where
one power does make a difference,but with a the decks that this runs
in, So the decks I couldthink of that I used were the as
Guardians deck, which wherever you're playingThor or Beta ray Bill, are the

(42:01):
lanes you're gonna try and win,right, You're not gonna try and win
a Jane Foster lane. So forthem to buff her, I mean,
yeah, it's one power doesn't reallydo anything major, but you know,
you do win some games like that. And then the other the other one
is uh negative, so you're runningthis in a negative deck. I mean,

(42:25):
I guess it makes your Iron Manplay way better. So I don't
know, I'm for the buffs.You know, one power here and there
like, like you were mentioning,Dakota, this is becoming a uh,
you know, bigger numbers. Youknow, we're getting bigger numbers, So
I guess we're they're they're kind ofstraying away from these lower numbers, but

(42:50):
it makes the cards that are atthat lower tier kind of hard to contest
these newer cards. So that's unfortunate. But you know, I'm here for
the fun of the game, andhopefully even if they go with bigger numbers,
it means bigger fun. You know, we're not trying to wait,

(43:13):
we're not trying to make yeah,because it's crazy to see those games that
you know, exponentials where it's justlike, you know, it's so negative
that it was busted, or it'sit's so positive that it's busted. Right,
So, uh, hopefully they're notcreating more ways to do that.

(43:36):
But you know, buffs are good, nerves are because they made the card
too good. So I guess Idon't know. So we'll go into the
the card of last week, andthat was White Widow. So for those
of that, those of you thatdon't know, it's just they I'll just

(43:59):
go ahead and read it. It'sa two cost two power on reveal at
a widow's kiss to your opponent's sideof this location, and the widow kiss
is a zero two zero zero,but it becomes a negative four if the
lane isn't filled, but once thelane is filled, it becomes it goes
back to zero zero. So howhave you done with this card? Don

(44:24):
I've think pretty well. It's youknow, really fun to play in some
of those you know, junk decksaround. It's just another way to fill
up a little bit more power.I mean, we're seeing this card everywhere,
which is kind of annoying, butyou know, at the same time,
is it's worked out pretty well.I thought originally that something like this

(44:45):
card with grand Master would be prettycool. Yeah. The one that I
see pretty often that works well isusing it with Beast. You know,
you beast it back, you candrop in another lane that you choose,
and it works pretty well. Soit's been an interesting card. I'm ready

(45:07):
to see what's up next. That'svery interesting that you mentioned that like it
being used with Beast, because itkind of does the same thing. Right,
you could play it again grand Master. You wouldn't have to use another
energy to play it. But Also, Grandmaster is a two costs zero power,
right, Okay, so having thatzero power in a lane is very

(45:30):
detrimental, where as Beasts at leastgives you two power, so he adds
something to the lane. So itis very interesting just because if you do
fill up the lane, it goesto the widow's by, it goes to
a zero zero, So it kindof makes that you filling up that lane
kind of unnecessary. But I thinkthat is a pretty cool option that you

(45:55):
have. I've seen a lot ofwhat is it annihilist decks play with this
card, and it's it's been annoyingto say the least. But I think
that annoying deck types are a necessaryfactor in these games because you can't just

(46:19):
have people stacking the same lane overand over getting away with it, especially
with you know this Angela meta,where like if they play Angela, you
know they're they're gonna keep playing intoit. So wait, wait, is
a nice deterrent from from them keepingto do that. So I'm here for
it. I get annoyed by it, but I feel like it's a necessary

(46:40):
evil. So how about yourself,Dakota Man, I've been loving this card.
This card has been so much fun. I've been doing the exact deck
you're talking about with annihilists. I'mnot doing the junk route. Yeah,
to the point where I'm like throwinggoblins and stuff, but I am using
debris and and uh so I uselike the hood, Cork, Beast,

(47:02):
I got Carnage, White Widow,Black Widow, Debris, Rock, Slide
Century, dark Hawk, Annihilists,and mocking Birds. Is that the cozy
one? Nasty? Because, likeDon said, with Beast, oh,
my gosh, like if you throwher out there right so turn one,
you're throwing out your hood oho.Is that the Is that the cozy one?

(47:24):
That's the cozy one? My man? Oh, that is a really
fun deck because, like I said, you put those two down, you
beast it back. The great thingis at that point too. If you're
I've been facing a lot of Ronandecks in my meta. I don't know
about you guys or not, butit's funny because you'll bring back your stuff
and they try to get you amaster mold and there ain't much to fill

(47:45):
at that point, so it's like, Haha, got your bitch ass,
and then you go ahead and dropthem again on the other lanes like,
it's been really fun just to fillthings up this negative power and you got
your a Nihilists play. You don'thave that, you're also beefing them up
with you got cork Rockslide. It'sbeen really fun and I've gotten I've stolen
a lot of cubes with this.It's been very, very fun for me.

(48:06):
I've been thoroughly enjoying this card andnot to mention something that I wanted
to bring up, and just makingme laugh on all like the different people.
I've been watching them when they Italk about the widow kiss, it
sounds that they're saying widow kiss.And it's been cracking me up. Man,
it reminds you of the not tothe hog hug. He's geese.

(48:27):
Now yeah, no, I likethis card now overall, do you guys
feel like this card is good?Where it's at, needs a buff,
needs a nerve. I think it'spretty good where it's at. You know,
it does exactly what you're supposed towrite. If you play into it,
it just picks up a spot.If you don't play into it,

(48:47):
then you know, you lose power. I think it's great, all right,
So this is one for the devs, so good job Dev's on the
card. I agree. You knowthis card is uh, it has a
downside for the opponent, but theycould get rid of the downside, which

(49:09):
is, you know, you wantto leave counterplay to almost every card,
because that's how cards become overpowered ifthey don't have counterplay. So it's great
that the counterplay was actually built intothe cards effect. So it's it's it's
a really good balance card, andI feel like, uh, oh,

(49:32):
yeah, it's a really good card. I don't know. I looked at
the veryning and I was like,oh gosh, a really good card.
All right. So the card comingout tomorrow is Valentina de Fontaine. I

(49:55):
think that's how that's her name.So let me go ahead and read it
for anybody that is just listening.It is a two costs three power and
the effect is and on reveal,add a random six cost card to your
hand, give it minus two costand minus three power. Let's start with

(50:17):
you, Dakota. How do youfeel this card will change the meta or
you know, what kind of orwhat kind of decks would you use it
in? So, because of itsunpredictability, I feel like the best bet
for a deck that's running this cardis gonna have to be og Loki yep.

(50:37):
And I hate Collector. I don'tknow if I've expressed this or not,
but I just I get so annoyedwhen I see this fool does he
just growing in power And it's like, Oh, I hate this guy.
He's gonna be used, We're gonnautilize him, and I think that this
has a good synergy with that.I'm excited to see exactly what we can
do because you know it's downside isis gonna lose some power here or there,

(51:01):
but you got some better cost.I want to ask you, guys,
can you shadow king your own sideon that and bring it back to
its base power? Yeah? Yeah, So I mean, if you have
an issue with some of these cards, if you don't want to lowkey and
get rid of them, you havethat that route. You could even do

(51:21):
Luke Cage. So I feel likethere's some good, good abilities here.
And obviously you're gonna want to puttriple M Mobius in this because that way
you're not going to lose that negativetwo cost because I feel people could be
cheeky and try to throw some crapout there. But yeah, I know
in all, Honestly, I'm reallyexcited for this card. Now, my
normal track record when I get excitedfor a card, it usually is not

(51:42):
the best for me, So Iwon't be surprised if I just completely get
destroyed with this. But uh,yeah, I'm excited for the Valentine.
That's gonna be a good time.Okay, And real quick, how many
keys do you think it's gonna takefor you to pull it? Well,
it took me all four to thelast one, and if I'm following my
luck, it's gonna again. LikeI said last time, it took me

(52:04):
five. Watch somehow it'll take mesix. No, I'm hoping for one.
But okay, I mean everyone lucky. I'm thinking, uh thinking to
okay, yeah, everybody helps forfun? Right, yes, unless you
want you know, the other spotlightcards, I'll pull that up. What's

(52:24):
gonna be in the spotlight? Buthow about for you, don how do
you feel about how how's this cardgoing to be doing? Because it's gonna
be a fun card. You knowit's gonna sit a lot of RNG I
do think either a Loki deck oreven you know, I might swing back
around to kind of an old schoolhield deck and throwing a little deba dinosaur.

(52:51):
I haven't seen him around for awhile, so I think it'd be
it could be interesting. You know, think about the kind of six cost
cards that you can either get you'reeither gonna get something awesome or you're gonna
get something awful, and uh,that should be fun. You know.
Even getting out like what fore costzero sorry minus one power Leader might be

(53:15):
interesting. Yeah. So if youhave your your quinn Jet out right yep.
Now you're not talking about a whatfore costs, You're talking about three
cost six power card. So therecould be some really interesting things that go
out. Like let's say you pullgo the Blob right, that's great.

(53:38):
You get a twelve cost card andyou can play it at level. You
can play the turn three the nextturn. Yeah, so it seems like,
uh, the thing is gonna beQuinjet Valentina and then the six costs
mm hmmm. Yeah, So Ithink like this card is is gonna be

(54:00):
cool, Like you know, thedecks that you guys did already mentioned they'll
work there. I can't see itcoming out with its own deck because it's
just a it's a roulette card,right, like roulette cards typically don't have
decks that center around it. It'sjust to support other cards like Collector,

(54:22):
like Loki, like Devil Dinosaur.You know, those are actually the main
ones that would benefit off this.So it's gonna be pretty cool to see
another card added to that. Nottoo sure what you would switch it out
for, because I mean, uh, I don't know that there's just one

(54:46):
card. What's the card with thegirl with the Bow mirage? I was
like, starts with an M.You know it is it's a two costs
It is another two cost card whereyou know, it gets you a card,
but it also buffs the card,right, So this one gets you

(55:07):
a strong card, but it nervesthe card. But these nerves can be
taken care of which what like youmentioned shadow King with Louke Cage, so
those are gonna be major players inthis new new Loki. I think it's
gonna be a new Loki deck,you know, so it's gonna be like

(55:30):
Loki. Of course everyone keeps Coulsonin it. What is it? Quinjet,
Valentina, Mobius, Luke Cage.Did I say shadow King already?
Yeah? So maybe shadow King likeit is, shadow King is actually not

(55:50):
necessary to be in there, ButI feel like because if you just have
Luke cage, it counteracts everything.So now, how would you guys rate
this card one to ten? Hmm? Okay, I think as of the
randomness, I think it could bemaybe a six or seven. To be

(56:14):
honest, I think because you're goingto get the discount, Yeah, you're
never gonna know what they pull whenthey do it, which means you got
to think about, Okay, whatsix costs did they pull? Was it
great or was it off? Destroyertime? Did we know if red Hulk
was going to actually show to theopponent ahead of time? We didn't know

(56:37):
that, right. Oh can youimagine pulling a red Hulk? That would
be good? But the thing is, like, I it doesn't say that
the opponent won't see what you pull, right, but I mean typically they
don't. But it didn't also sayfor the whole that the Red Hulk would

(56:59):
show to your opponent. So Idon't know. I'm pretty sure it's not
gonna show your opponent because Mirage doeswell mirage. You could guess who it
is or narrow it down, butit doesn't show. Uh damn, what's
this shield? Lady's name Maria Hilllike, yeah, Maria, it doesn't

(57:19):
show what Maria Hill pulls. Soit's gonna be very interesting on how uh,
how often you're gonna see this card, because I think people are gonna
pull for it. Now for thisweek, the cards that come out with
it in the Spotlights are Valentina,Blob, and Null. So she's she's

(57:42):
actually surrounded herself with some six costcards six zero. That's pretty funny.
So what do you guys think aboutthis spot this week's Spotlight? What do
the variants look like? Oh?Let me pull it up. So,
oh so these are the variants.So we have the blow Blue Chador and

(58:07):
the Null variant. Not in lovewith any of them except the Valentine and
Victor Farrow. So I don't knowif I'm gonna get it. I'm not
a fan of any of them really, I mean the variants, but yeah,

(58:29):
the Null variants. Okay, Sosupposedly I'm just gonna go into real
quick. So supposedly they are goingto be re releasing things that have been
in the Spotlight, like Spotlight cashesor sorry spotlight Uh ye yeah spotlight cashes
right, yeah they were yeah,so the very first one, uh was

(58:52):
I believe the null one, ifI'm not mistaken, the good one.
So supposedly in about a month anda half, you know, the anniversary
for spotlights. Can you believe it'sthe anniversary for spotlights already? Jeez,
manly, Yeah, so June Juneis when they started to release spotlight cases,

(59:22):
which is kind of amazing because it'sit's already been a year since they've
introduced that. I mean, itis a better system than we've had before.
I think, I don't know,I don't know. Maybe what do
you guys think? Do you thinkoverall it was a better system. I

(59:42):
think it's a better system if wedidn't have to spend so much to get
enough tokens. I mean, well, sorry, you guys, I pulled
it on the first time every time. But you guys, yes, you
guys upset because you you know,you're upset for me. I appreciate that

(01:00:04):
because I'm upset for me. Sosorry. They did do the math.
It takes about six thousand credits toget one key, three thousand if you're
upgrading Grays, but six thousand isregular, so and if it's if you're
upgrading Grays, you need to upgradeone hundred and twenty to get that one

(01:00:28):
hundred twenty cards that you have inthe gray. So that's not possible unless
you're like buying every variant so often. I don't know who could do that,
not us. So yeah, soit takes six thousand to get one
key, So that means for youto actively pull a if for you know,

(01:00:57):
people say get four keys before youpull. That means you need to
have you need to have twenty fourthousand. Am I doing that math right?
Yeah? Six twenty four thousand creditsand in a week typically you only
get like eleven thousand, so theyget that's how they get you. No,

(01:01:22):
But you know, it is agood system for newer players to obtain
cards that they want faster because inone week they could have that they could
have none of the cards right,and they could get three new cards just
by using three keys or two newcards and a random other card, you
know. So it's a good systemfor new players. Now for players that

(01:01:45):
like us, where you know,we almost have full collections, it's getting
kind of dicey to be like,ah, should I skip this week?
Because I don't want to skip theweek because I just want to get the
cards. So it's in my collectionnow having to take your chance in like

(01:02:06):
a one in four. It's kindof sucks because not all the time are
the spotlight variants really good, andyou're just like, oh, well,
I got another spotlight variant or Iget a thousand tokens. So I don't
know. I feel like if youdo pull a spotlight variant, you should
still get a thousand tokens, andthen if you get the other one,
you should get two thousand tokens.I like that because, yeah, the

(01:02:32):
spotlight variants, not all the timeare the best, and you've already spent
either tokens or keys to get theoriginal card, So sucking dinner and throw
some bone, you know. Ithink I should get ten thousand tokens every
week just because Okay, split itwith me. Yeah, there you go.

(01:03:02):
That's the attitude we want. ButI don't know. I feel like
this system is gonna be It's cool, and I'm I'm for it coming back
around having its anniversary and getting thespotlights I missed because that tribunal that you
know, the the null So Ican't wait special slights. How you can

(01:03:30):
get those spotlights when they come back? Are they going to be in a
spotlight thing or is it kind oflike we talked about the last time where
it was going to be a token. Did they say anything at all?
They mentioned maybe in the shop,but can can do you think? Do
you think they're worth twelve hundred maybea little bit more? Probably more,

(01:03:52):
I would think, because I meanit kind of devalues opening spotlights, right
because if you if you think aboutit, I'm just gonna go, okay,
let me go here. I'm gonnashow you guys real quick. So
if it takes about three thousand toget our six thousand credits to get one

(01:04:14):
spot like key and that spot likehe could get used pot a variant,
then that means six thousand. Sothis is so that would be multiplied by
four, So this would be fortyeight hundred gold. Forty eight hundred gold.
Oh god, I don't want togive second dinner. Yeah, I
don't. I don't want to begive a second dinner any ideas. So

(01:04:40):
that means a spotlight you know,variant could be worth about fifty plus dollars.
Oh hell no, So I don'tknow that. That's just what the
math equates it to, right,So every but that's like they're giving you

(01:05:01):
plus fifty dollars a week because you'regetting about those six thousand credits plus a
week, right, So I don'tknow's that's just how the math works in
their economy. Now, do Ithink their economy is right? No,
of course, especially now with youknow, the bundles that they're releasing Now

(01:05:25):
they don't equal the dollar amount thatyou spending it. Right, Like,
if I'm playing your game, microtransactions is where it should be at.
It shouldn't be like, oh,just because I downloaded your game for free,
I have to keep buying your gamefor fifty dollars for every bundle,

(01:05:47):
right that I like, you know, I'm not gonna say every bundle is
correct, but there are bundles thatwe have passed because of the cost of
it. So I don't know.We talk about this a lot, but
they need to change. That's whyit's too much. Too much. We
already give you fifteen for the golddaily and the monthly season pass. Now

(01:06:12):
you guys are doing the gold toright, Okay, of course it's a
good bang for the buck, rightcool? Yeah, So it's too good,
Yeah, way too good. I'mglad they introduced it. It's a
way to crewe another another way tocrew in game currency, which is pretty
good. Just have to be patient. Mm hmmm. So is there anything

(01:06:36):
else do you guys want to addbefore we end the show? Uh no,
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(01:06:56):
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(01:07:40):
you guys for watching and just checkingus out in the first place. It's
been awesome, like actually having peoplecomment on things and having little conversations back
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(01:08:00):
and I. We all get tojust hang out and talk about a game
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