Wiccan! or Can we?

We discuss the newest season pass card, Kat Bishop and the first 2 weeks of released cards, Marvel Boy and Wiccan.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good evening, and welcome to another episode or maybe morning
afternoon wherever it is for you. Good day, Uh to
episode twenty two of Cube, the Marvel Snap Podcast. Tonight
for us tonight, we have on everybody's left Bock Choi

(00:21):
aka Dakota, gonna give yourself some clappies, Dakota.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Oh what's up baby? How y'all doing that?

Speaker 3 (00:27):
Dere gonna make a name fast up today, alright.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
And to everybody's right we have Dark Helmet aka Donald himself.
Don to Dawn and as always I am your host,
Mark Lee.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
And.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
So don't make a name.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
You're gonna make a name, all right.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
So tonight we're gonna catch up on the past two
weeks that we have missed. I know we did one
about two weeks ago. We had some things come up
travel related, and we're gonna just try and catch everybody
up on what we've missed. So what we missed was
basically the opening week of the season, and the opening

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card for the season pass is Kate Bishop. Now, Kate Bishop,
I'll go ahead and read her. Just give me one second.
So Kate Bishop is a two costs three power card
and she's able to she's an unrevealed card that lets

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you add two arrows to your hand. Now she has
four arrows. I believe that you know we'll get two
out of the four. So the first arrow we have
here is a one power. They're all one power. If
I'm not mistaken, but are one cost, it's a negative
two power and it's on reveal. Is to switch sides.

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The grapple arrow is a three power on reveal. After
you play your next card, move it to this location,
and the basic arrow is a one power on reveal.
If you play a card at this location next turn,
it's a plus three power. And the pim arrow, which

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is an ongoing if your side of this location is full,
you get plus three power. Now I want to I
want to start with you, don how do you feel
about the release of this season past card.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
I think this is actually a really fun tech card
that we're running. It actually does fit into more decks
than you actually think. Obviously, you know, you jump right
off a zoo deck works great, but even with stuff
like I've been running it in a almost negative deck
not a negative deck, sorry, a AHX deck where you're

(03:02):
pushing negative to the other side. You know, even though
you randomly get stuff. There is a lot of good
stuff in there that you can use here and there
to just kind of build those extra little points make
sure that you're doing well. So it's a really great
tech card that I feel like fits into so many
different decks.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Okay, how about yourself, Dakota.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yeah, just to piggybox, just a piggyback off of don
I think that that's This card is kind of like
our two cost Nico, you know, like it has so
many awesome capabilities without as much of a drawback because
you're not waiting for a change. You get the chance
of one of to those arrows. And I mean this
tacked in with Devil Dino, there's some new ways to

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kind of fill out your hand.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Obviously with locating, it's not as great if you didn't want,
you know, one of the arrows or not.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
But this one has a lot of mobility and moving
into you know, as we start to cook up other stuff,
like I've yet to have one I want to go.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Then I hate this card. This card just it cooks.
I really like it a lot.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
All right, Well, so for me, I haven't actually played
a lot of this card. I played a lot of
this in what is it zoo and it's just a
it's it's a really good card, right. The reason why
I haven't been playing is because I've actually been focusing
more on like just gaining Alliance bounty points because you know,

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you get a free what a free variant for the week.
But let's look at the acid arrow, right, a negative
to a one cost negative too. It's almost as good
as a goblin, you know, a green goblin. And most
of the time if you play the hood, you know,
you you place play that negative power and then you

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try and get it over to your opponent's side using
viper or annihilist. Yeah, but you know this is actually
it comes it's its own package basically, So it's a
really cool negative two that you could just fill up
the clog up the other side if you get it.

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Then the Grapple Arrow is just like a spider, the
ghost spider, right, and it's even stronger. But the only
difference is you have to play the card after now
goot Spider, you know, you have to play the card
first and then you play ghost Spider. But this you
play the Grapple Arrow, then you play the card. So

(05:29):
it's just the order of operations on that part. But
it's you know what's funny. I thought the same thing
when I saw it. I was like, okay, grapple arrow,
you'll play it, and it just pulls them to you,
you know, so it's like no other way around, so wrong. Yeah,
But on top of that, it's actually stronger than ghost Spider,

(05:52):
which is kind of insane. Right, it's a it's a
freak ghost Spider in your hand. So the the next
basic arrow is basic. You get a Hawkeye in your
hand if I'm not mistaken, right, it's a Hawkey is
a one one as well.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay, so yeah, it's like you get a Hawkeye in
your hand, and that's kind of fitting. Right. Hawkeye was
the teacher of Kate Bishop Hawkeye. So if she gets
a basic Basic, you know, quote unquote basic, it becomes
basically a Hawkeye card, which is pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Now.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
The last one, the the the pim arrow. This is
just like a weaker man if not if I'm not mistaken,
because it becomes a one four and you know, a
Man's actually a really good card because it's a one
to five. So I don't know, like overall, I think

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the card is very flexible, like you guys are saying,
I mean ghost says in the chat that you know,
Kate is a flex you know. So it's it's such
a very card that your opponent has to be aware
of once you play, like, okay, what two arrows that
have to be aware of? So it's kind of another
thing that your opponent has to think about.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
Hi, Becky, but it was it was my week for you.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Know, man, what happened to the I forgot to share it? Okay,
I don't know why why it went down, but.

Speaker 6 (07:30):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah it Kate Bishop gives you a
you know, a good start in the game if you
if you play her early or if you play her late.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
You know, she's good all around. She's not a dead
weighted card, which is a really good card for a
season pass.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
So and any last thoughts on your.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
End, No, I mean I think we kind of hit
it on the nail. Like it's a great fleck card.
It fits into a lot of different places. Even though
you randomly get those arrows, it does seem like they
don't actually know which of the three you got or
which of the two you got, so they might end

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up seeing one on their side. They might see a
card move, you know, and we know that just being
able to move and send something there or block someone
else's space, like those are huge, huge things no matter what.
So just a great little fit of a card, especially
for a season pass. I mean, is it one of
those pass cards that you're like, I don't have this,

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I can't win the game. But do you know what
it feels good to have it. I don't regret having
this as my nine dollars investment for the month.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, good point, good point. Yeah, because most people, if
you want her, you have to buy the season pass
or when when the card comes out, are you able
to buy it straight from the store. No, right, you
have to wait a season until the season's over.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Okay, so yeah, I mean it is worth the ten
dollars investment. So next, the card that came out with
Kate Bishop was the Spotlight card, which is Marvel Boy
and Marvel Boy is a three costs two powered card

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and after each turn give three of your one cost
cards plus one power. Now let me start with start
off with you, Dakota, how do you feel about this card?

Speaker 3 (09:41):
So this card in itself is an interesting, like different
way to play two. Okay, Like I enjoyed it. It
definitely has gotten me some cues stolen at the end there,
Like you know, it can just completely become crack if
it's hitting those last three.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
You know they're relying on just winning that by like
one and then you go, I got your bits.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
The thing is it doesn't run as well in my
opinion with the OG style, and I like the you
know you got you gotta put Kaira out because you
don't want to risk that killmonger. Play that just gonna
completely kill you. You're gonna lose your eight cubes. It's
not worth it. And this is kind of a hard
thing because it's like, well, I'll play him down at
this point, or I play her, and if I have Kazar,

(10:24):
I want to play Gazar, but don't.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I don't know, So it can kind of fumble.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
You a little bit in my opinion, Like I think
this is a good card, but you just have to
make sure that you're not playing the OG style Zoo
that that we've grown accustomed to.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
I think, yeah, but I enjoy this card.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I just if I had to choose between OG Zoo
and the new style Marble Boy, I think I still
prefer the OG.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Style Okay, how about yourself done?

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Yeah, I mean I think to gooda hate it pretty well.
Like in some ways this card reminds me of Bishop,
right where if you bunk it out early, it kind
of struggles.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Right.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
I think it's slightly better than that card, just because
you know you are basically getting if you only get
it for one turn it's three six five, right, which
doesn't feel that bad. So, but it doesn't feel great
when you're playing Zoo right about. Okay, now they kill

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Monger and all that's gone, and if they're killed Margareting,
they're probably playing destroyed. If they're playing destroy you're going
to be in trouble in the first place. I mean,
I know it's sits in the kill.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Like the three.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Uh why is my brain blanking on that whole deck?
So you know you're saw and all that, But at
the same time, it's like I feel like it's okay,
but I want to prioritize it over like Kaya or

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something like that.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, okay, yeah, you guys made really good points. I
mean I feel the same way. Like like you guys
mentioned the old generic Zoo, what you do is, you know,
turn four, if you can you play Kazar turn five
you you definitely want to play uh Blue Marvel. So

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turn three you have options right now, you have Shanna,
you have Kaya, And I just feel like, if Zoo
becomes popular, whenever Zoo becomes popular, popular, kill Monger becomes popular.
So it's like it's never gonna have a time where

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Kayea isn't needed unless you're not playing against destroy or
you know, a TechEd kill monger. So the cost wise
just seems a little bit bad. But I feel like
if if you put it at another cost, it would

(13:14):
just be worse, right or like broken. So if you
play him on three and you have three other one
cost cards, he becomes a three. So he starts as
three five, he goes three eight, three eleven, three fourteen.
At the end of the game, he's a three fourteen.

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I got that right, right, three four or five? Okay, yeah,
he becomes a three fourteen, right, But it's very random
who's he selects. It's he can't select the same one
cost card again, so you know, it's kind of kind
of unreliable. Whereas you know, you play the the Kizar

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and you know, okay, everybody every one cost gets one
power or Blue Marble all cards get that plus one.
So it's it's very weird, a weird play line. You
kind of have to choose, like how do you want
to play the game or ah, how do you want

(14:23):
to win? Basically, right, like did you want to win
because you protected it or do you want to risk
it for the biscuit? So so, Marvel Boy, it's an
overall good card. Do you guys think he fits in
any other deck besides Zoom?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Not really?

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, I feel like he's pigeonholed, right, you.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
Have to have several one costs in there virtual work, right,
So I mean maybe with the way things are, if
you and a maybe a control deck with here with Shauna,
oh yeah, yeah, maybe maybe something like that could possibly work.

(15:14):
But no, I think he's pretty too centric.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, so, and that's the thing, like, uh, the places
where you run Shauna is only like I haven't seen
Shayna run in any other deck either, right, No, not really.
And the thing about Zoo decks is you're so because
you could play so many one cost cards, right, and

(15:40):
there's there's Shauna. There's not only Shauna, but there's also
Squirrel Girl, which you know, you know, your your board
space is so limited also depending on the locations where
sometimes you run into Central Park where you get three
more squirrels and you're just like, well, you know, my
squirrel girl is not useful, man, So you gotta be like, Okay,

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what lane do I want to close out? Because once
you close out a lane, they could take advantage of
that right right away. I mean, Marvel Boy does a
good job of if you close out a lane, at
least you get like one power per turn, but at
most it's gonna be like, what two or three extra
power and they could cover that really easily nowadays in

(16:24):
this meta you know. So it's a very weird card.
I feel like, if you love Zoo, pick it up.
If you're I would say, if you're early on in
the collection track, he does very well because I know

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in our early collection track days we did nothing but Zoo.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
You activated my Kazar card.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
So yeah, it was it was a great time. I mean,
this game was really great for newbies, but once you
hit a pool two and kill Monger was around, you
were just like, well, you know, I can't play Zoo anymore.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
The most devastating moment ever was when he first showed up,
Like that first game.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
We were like, I got this motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
You snapped like haha, nobody snapped back, and then kill.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Monger comes on turnsation. Oh no, you're so stressed out.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
It's the worst. Never forget that.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah, it's it's crazy because when when you when it
first comes out, you're just like, okay, cool, you know,
you just learned the mechanics of snapping, and then once
kill Monger hits you, you're just like, you know what,
maybe now I'll learn strategy.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Maybe Zoo needs to be thought out better because the.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Wait we're supposed to be learning strategy in this game,
is that what I've been doing wrong?

Speaker 2 (17:58):
One snap every time, don't worry about your hand, just
go for.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
It, because before it was like, uh, what is it?
Angela onto Bishop on three, on four as your Kazaar,
on five your Blue Marvel, and then on six you're
just like, hopefully I could play six ones. Yeah, so

(18:23):
Marvel boy, I would say, like I said, early early
on track, really useful. Once you hit season Pool two,
probably not as useful, but cool with any buddy that
loves Zoo. So all right. So the next card that

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came out the week after was Wickan, so it actually
came out, right, I'm not mistaken, right, it was wicking
because we we just started.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Yeah, it just came out, Okay, cool.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
So is the newest card, and I'll go ahead and
read it. Wigan is a four costs seven power card
and it's an on reveal. If you spent all your
energy on previous turns, you get plus two max energy. Now,
let me start with you, don How do you feel

(19:20):
about this card in general and have you used it?

Speaker 4 (19:25):
I feel like this card is a giant buff to
Quicksilver because you know you're gonna be playing Quicksilver with
this card, so that you have a one cost for sure.
And then also Domino so you know that on turn
two you have a two costs No, it's it's a

(19:47):
it's a weird card, right, I think it has a
lot of potential. I've played a couple of rounds of
kind of like a blink version of this and it's
worked well. So basically, you make sure you have quick
quick silver to start out, make sure you have a
one cost card. You throw in Zabu because you actually
get a chance to play Zabo again, which you know

(20:10):
we haven't seen him in forever. You throw in a
high lock. You put that card in there and just
of your cards right with blink and then you know,
you get it out there, you you can blete the
next turn. So ideally it's one cost. You play either
Zoie pylock, you play Wiccan, and then you play your

(20:31):
blink right you get a big card out with it,
which it could works out really well when it works.
The question is consistency, right, Like it's like when all
the stars aligned and the gods have the snap, gods
have said, here my son, here is all your cards.
It is awesome. The rest of the time it is like, well,

(20:54):
I guess I'm retreating this turn, right, But that's I
think it's really interesting. I like that they're trying different
methods of getting cards in right. So this is like, Okay,
if you do everything right, you get extra power. Perfect. Great,
that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
All right, So about yourself to go to.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, I mean there's so many times when it's like
I think I'm.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Gonna be able to pull it off.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
This is gonna be the play, okay, and then location
two is like elicium or something to go oh fuck,
it's like I don't my energy's not gonna work anymore.
This is not gonna be filled, like I don't have
the cards aren't gonna work. It's very much like Don
mentioned where you are either gonna do really well with
this card or you gotta retreat because getting the lineup

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is really rolling the dice. And in my experience, it's like,
one out of the ten times I've tried with this card,
would I actually get the payoff because it just it
wouldn't happen. So definitely it's not busted for that reason.
So I I mean I first read, I'm interesting, like
this could be a really good like you know, we
know how good Corbus Glave is and it's niche. We

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know how good Silock can be. We know like ramp
cards are huge, and I think that there's a lot
of potential with this one.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
But it's in my luck.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
You know.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
RNG is kind of just everybody has their their decks
that they're good with.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
This one just fucks me over. Man.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, So okay, it's a very specialized card. I mean
it falls under the category of you know, energy cheating
right where you're basically ramping out bigger cards sooner. Now
each of those cards have a specific uh what is

(22:45):
it something to activate it right, So just like Electro,
you could only play one card. Now this one you
have to spend all your energy. And I know Don
and Dakota where you know you play Quicksilver on one,
two you play Domino. Uh, those aren't good cards, you

(23:08):
know it really good effects for this card, and I've
seen people run it without them. But it's just like,
how how lucky do you have to be to get
the algorithm to always work for you? And I feel
like for us or I don't know, for me personally

(23:30):
my experience, the algorithm doesn't work for me. So it's
such a we're I don't want to say it's a
bad card because it's a new dynamic for the game
that makes it fun. Now, speaking from the competitive side,

(23:51):
where you know you got to climb to infinite, will
it be something that will help you reach infinite? Depends
on the algorithm, right, every everybody wants to think, Okay,
if you if you do you know this, like Don said,
the stars aligned right, and say you actually play Quicksilver
to help you out, then you play Domino to help
you out. Then that's that's two cards out of Uh.

(24:17):
So you draw, you open with three three, you draw
one on one and you draw one on two. Okay,
so that's two out of six cards in your deck.
That means hopefully when you draw half your deck you
draw a three cost and then a four cost. Right.

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I know a lot of people have been running Colson
because Colson gives you a four or five. But Da
Coda mentioned what if Elysium hits you, you have five
more energy coming out of nowhere and just be like,
well can I use it all? So the the thing
is also people run low key into it. Right if

(25:00):
it doesn't work out, I'll just loky all the cards,
you know. So it's really cool that it does a uh.
It does give you options like throwing a random Loki
into it can give you options, especially because they change loki. Uh.
Now Go says he's a gambling addict, so he's all

(25:22):
for Wicked Baby.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Yeah. So you have a theory. Is theory that this game,
when you sign up for it, chooses one thing you're
gonna be very lucky about. You're either going to get
the perfect draw, You're going to get the poll cards,
or you're going to get you know, good like variants

(25:46):
when you pull on like, you're not going to get
all through You're going only get it one of them.
So like for me, I get to pull the new
card with one or two keys every week. But when
it comes to actually getting other variant or pulling or
like my opening hand, ah.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Oh man, I guess it's you know mine is. I'm lucky.
I get to buy good variants.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
I know where you're getting all that money.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
It's just it's crazy, Like I did have a good
span of uh three weeks of pulling the card with
the one key, you know, the card that I wanted.
I pulled Wickan with two keys. But I love that
Pixie variant. You know, I've seen that Pixie variant upgraded
with the uh what is it, the purple cosmic border

(26:46):
mm hmmm, perfection, perfection like Emperor's New Groove.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
You know, we got a whale over here, I mean
just whaling out, just like I'm going full cosmic and
I don't even.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Play Pixie, man. But you know, good variants are good variants,
Like one day, Pixie's gonna be something on my radar.
I'm gonna be playing Pixie, and I'm just like, why
didn't I get that variant? But you know, it is
what it is. It took me four keys just to
get that variant. But I'm crying. So anything else you

(27:24):
guys want to say about Wicked, I know, just a
quick little tidbit. Uh oh did the Oh? Okay? So sorry?
So da Coda mentioned. The reason was because I asked Dakota,
why did he look like Thor? Like his his you know,

(27:47):
his garments. So let me go ahead and show him
real quick. So I asked Dakota, why did he look
like Thor, especially in the new variant that came out, right,
So go ahead and explain it, Dakota.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
So when he first came out, he was known as
the as Guardian, know, it's his name, and as time progress,
he eventually turned into Wickan. But that's why he's got
that Thor.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
That Thor fit.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Baby, he's true, you know, he's just gonna be that
name until he changes it up.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Do you know why he went by ads Guardian?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Not necessarily, he just kind of from my understanding because
this is one of the twins from Scarlet, which right, yes,
so he from again when I was thinking is happening
because Manifesto took the kids back after the Scarlet, which
created them just out of magic brought him back, but
their souls like manifested and just kind of appeared onto Earth,

(28:41):
and his character just really liked Thor a lot from
from what I remember reading.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Oh interesting, okay, so that's a little tidbit. I know,
I know he uh he mentioned that, and I was
just like, it's very weird. I thought. I was like,
was he as Guardian? But I was like, I know
he's Garlet, which is son? So oh all right, So
the next thing we want to talk about, uh, we
kind of we want to review the Deadpool League. I know,

(29:09):
somebody commented on our Instagram like, hey, I know you reported,
you know, like you said that they would give us
the Deadpool emo. They will. You know, it didn't come
from us, It came from them that they said that.
You know, because of how the league worked and the
way that people were abusing the system, it wasn't an

(29:33):
effective way to show who was actually the top of
their league. The way that they showed it this time
was did you have enough time? You know, did you
have time on your hand to do the you know,
quote unquote hack or whatever, you know, the trade trading
of wins? How are you doing? Fantony? So so I

(29:59):
want to ask. Let's start with you, Dakota, what did
you think about the Deadpool League their first go around
and what do you think they can approve?

Speaker 3 (30:10):
So I was working this weekend in Seattle. I was
working with Toyota with the Formula Drift Race team. And
because that, obviously I don't really have time most weekends
because I'm busy to just you know, hop on and
do leagues. Its system is a little strange on how
you were to progress. And my biggest issue is the

(30:32):
average Joe, which I consider myself. Even though all spend
money on the game here and there.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
I mean, I think that's the average show Like average
Joe spends a minimum of like one hundred dollars for
a game a month.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Okay, then I'm under average on the Joe under average.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
First of all, I have to say my wife is
probably gonna see this, So I spent way under one
hundred dollars. Second of all, I am more of a porpoise.
I am not aware of like one hundred dollars on
this game every month.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Well, you know that's the you know, I would say,
on average, that's like one bundle a month, right, I.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
Mean, I guess like many other things in life, I
am below average.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
So yeah, I think my issue was I just there's
no way for me to compete with the streamers that
just were going buck wild.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
I mean when I realized the leagues.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Were going on, I checked out on my phone. Oh
it's happening. Okay, cool, we're trying to read how it
works whatever, close it out. It was thirty minutes, only
thirty minutes, I went, I took a bathroom break on
this open thing op and see what looks like. And
I was so far behind already who the first place,
was like holy shit, how am I going to even
catch up to that?

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Like that's not gonna happen. And then you know, it
wasn't too long.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
We found out about the oh if you if you
go improving grounds the point and you know all that,
you guys can kind of get a chance to grow here.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I was like, okay, cool.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Even when doing that, I still was so far beyond
able to catch up that it was just like, this
is kind of there needs to be a different mode.
I don't know how you would go about making leagues work,
but my thought would be that you're going to hop
into a game mode that could be a different form
of the ladder could be whatever that is specifically about League. Again,

(32:28):
how is the person that's working nine to five or
on the weekend is going to be able to catch
up with that?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Maybe you can't. You know, maybe that's one of the downfalls.
You're not able to just you know, spend your whole
life on this. But you know, most people that play
this are working. You know, we're not little kids. We're
not really able to stream all day. Because of that,
I think that they need to keep that into their
mind when they're going about creating a new game mode,

(32:56):
they're going about creating League.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
So that's my opinion.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
I think it was a cool idea at first, but
it wasn't really troubleshooted, and we, of course as a
community banded together to say, let's all try to do
our best to get what we can.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, do you think there's a possible way of linking
together not only like people similar in skill, but similar
amount of playtime?

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, they did something like that. That would definitely give us.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
A little more of a leg up to be competitive
within a leak, right, because like, if I'm finding somebody
who plays all day, I don't have that chance.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
There's no way in hell I'll be able to get that.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
I mean, okay, So I think the thing about this
is they create fomo, right, and the fomo part of
it was the Deadpool emo. Yeah, where if they wanted
to make their community happy, I would say say that

(34:04):
you're gonna sell the emote later, right then the only
people that are fighting for it are the ones that
want it free. If you notice that you can't you
can't contend with people that want it free, and you
actually really want to purchase it, just like the mis
Minutes one or the other emos that theyre the what

(34:27):
is it that learn DiCaprio beast right. If you want
to buy it, you'll buy it. But as for me,
I'm not gonna spend what was it like fifty bucks
for an emote. So if you actually just throw it
into like the the cycle of those where it's just like, hey,

(34:49):
you could purchase it later on, or you could get
it for free, you know, then leagues wouldn't feel so bad.
It wouldn't be like, oh man, no, I have to
play it, get this, you know. But if they said okay, yeah,
but if you don't get it and you actually just
really want the EMO. We'll sell it to you. They

(35:10):
make money. You know, you get the EMO. If you
want it, everybody's happy.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
You know.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Now if you win it, then it feels like, oh see,
I was one of the ones that got it for free, right,
I was that good. But I don't know. That's one
thing I saw that I wasn't really about, which, like
Dakota said, if you had enough time, you could just
keep going. Like if and I don't know, let me

(35:41):
ask you don first of all, what were your thoughts
on it and what do you think they could improve.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
I feel like there were two big things that happen here.
I think this is kind of like the tail of
two different events. Right. Yeah, we're just coming off the
Deadpool's Diner right where it felt really good, right, Like
You're just like, okay, if I get this many points,
I get the things that I all the things that
I want here, right, and then we step into this

(36:11):
event that one like for players like myself, Look, I
push hard that first week to make sure I can
make him fit it right. That way, that second week
I could take a little bit of a breather and
be like, Okay, you know what, I can dedicate this time.
I can do real life stuff, right, I can go
take care of that in my second and third week

(36:32):
and then you know, but but keep playing and have fun.
I feel like this falling in that second week and
then just it was rough, right, And then you have
the people who can play all the time, who are
just you're never going to catch them ever ever, and
it's like it feels like, Okay, only these people are
getting this thing now because that they have time to
just be on the game up versus like like I

(36:58):
get pulled diner, right, You're like, Okay, you know what,
I have to put in some work to get here, right,
I'm gonna play. But ultimately, like walked in, you're like, oh,
it's a lot, And then you get into it, You're
like it's not so bad. And I think that's kind
of the highs and loads of the thing. You're coming

(37:18):
off this kind of event where everyone, I mean, I
think most people really enjoyed dippool Dinner, or at least
I know I did. I'll put it that way. The
week honestly made me not play much because I'm just like,
I can't play anyways. You know, even when you find
the hack you're like, Okay, so now I'm logging into
play a game I'd like to have fun with just

(37:40):
to leave and leave and leave and leave it take
turns leaving and it's like, Okay, that's not why I
play this game. I play this game for fun, right,
and to do a whole week where I'm just having
to sit there and be like, well, I guess I'm
gonna leave a bunch of games like it kind of sucks. Yeah,
it's a pizza purpose it does.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Now I know they're gonna they're gonna take everybody's cond
uh feedback into consideration and they're gonna change things on
how they produce the next league. Now, what kind of
fixes come to mind that can't be exploited, can't be abused?

(38:22):
Because for me, for my thoughts on it, I can't
think of anything, right, like if if if you only
get points for winning, you could still do the win trading,
right if you if you uh go negative points in losing,

(38:45):
then losing feels so bad, feels like I would never
play this game mode, right, So it's just like, what's
that happy mediu that they have to find that works
for everybody?

Speaker 4 (38:58):
You know?

Speaker 1 (39:00):
I know Dakota mentioned. Maybe they do it like Deadpool
Diner where they had its own little section, right, but
same thing like I'm talking about now, like how do
they they they quantify those points? Because that's the biggest
part right here. If it's a league that's based on points,

(39:20):
how do you outweigh somebody else's points and not make
them make them want to play the game, not just
you know, for for for trying to gain something, but
for fun. Right, No, nobody wants to play a game
where it's just like, if you lose two games, you're

(39:40):
five games behind, right, So do you do you guys
think of anything that that you know comes to mind
at the top of your head.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Okay, this is this is kind of out there, so
you guys can shrew it down.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I'm a big fan.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
This is kind of that way, but I'm a really
big fan Call of Duty, Dix and Stones.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
You guys played this.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Is that the Wager one?

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
It's from Uh it's the Black Ops.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
I think Black Ops one, Black Ops who all the
Black Ops games had that. It's very high risk, high
reward you if you lose by anything. Really, the whole
idea is every time you're going up to fight it's
kind of like.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
The way where it's like you are risking losing everything
your entire rank.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Every time you beat somebody, you go up one and
when you lose, you lose it all. I know that
sounds crazy, but it's like if you have more of
a high risk, high reward league thing where you're like
you get to a point where, say, at like five wins,
you're secured, and then you know what I mean, like
it's a very intense where you have to like it's
cut throat fighting. I can see that being more because

(40:50):
you know, if you look even at like Rocket League,
playing league is going against people who like they want it, Okay,
like I enjoy Rocket League, I am not on league level. Okay,
that's just like let's just plug it and have fun.
So I think that if you make a mode that
is intense in that aspect where it's like you win
or you lose hard, I think that's that's kind of like, uh,

(41:11):
that's for the tryhards. I can see that. Like me,
I would even play that mode. I would not, but
you Mark, I know that you're good. I can see
you going after That's an idea.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
That's the thing, Like I don't I don't as much
as possible, I don't want to play a mode that
makes it feel bad, right, I mean, like like Don
mentioned earlier, the way that they did Deadpoole's Diner was
so good. You know, yeah, I got upset, but then

(41:42):
you only got upset if you didn't realize, hey, you
have two weeks. So it's just like when you're you're
in in that mode where say you want this card
on the first day, because these streamers are getting this
first card first day. I got it for free in

(42:05):
seven days. No, yeah, seven days, but they got it
the first day and spent one hundred dollars maybe maybe
two hundred dollars, right, so they're paying that extra money
to get it on that first day and just to
be that, like I said last time, just to be
that content creator that has a card that can tell

(42:27):
their the public about it. Now, if I had that
expendable cash like they did, yeah, I'd do that too,
of course, but you know we don't. So of course,
you know, Second Dinner thought about that and people got
upset that they weren't still able to do it. But
if you actually played the game mode, like what is

(42:49):
it like the latter you would actually come out ahead
more than behind, right, because they gave you these Bubmart
upgrades where there's like, hey, this is like a a checkpoint, right,
you know, before you go to sleep, risk it all
if you if you win, great, if you don't go
to sleep eight hours, you'll have your like you know,

(43:12):
you'll have points back to wage. Yeah, so that felt
good where it's like okay, cool, I could take a break.
I suck.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Oh dude.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
That was the thing like Don and I we did
we did a green pool together and I was like, Okay,
I gotta drive to the next door. It's gonna be
a couple hours by the time we get back. I'm
gonna do hill Mary and go for it on this one.
And that's what took me to the next level, baby,
because it was like I don't if I lose, I lose,
but I went for it and it's like, ah, dude,
the Bubbs that was it was so good.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Yeah, it felt.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
Bad to lose, but then it felt awful and didn't
feel like defeating. You're like, okay, I know I got
another shot at this where like I'll tell you the leagues,
like you lose a couple of games and you're it's like, well,
I guess I'm not doing this. And then addition to that,
like most of these game modes have been opt in, right,

(44:04):
this isn't. It wasn't opt in. It was very much
just like, well you're playing this. Every time you're playing
a game, it's like and you lose, you're like, well,
there's goes one hundred and fifty points. I'm at zero,
but what does that mean? There goes those one hundred
and fifty points, there goes those two ound points, that
goes to a hundred points. You know, it just it
gets that negative like I'm done.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, okay, I did you know? I didn't even think
about that. You know, say you opted out of participating,
you know, just mentally opted out because you were already
put in a league. You can't be like, yes, I
will join this league, you know, and I will try
to do my best, right, No, you were ready put
in a league and say you're messing around. You're like,

(44:47):
I don't want the Deadpool emo. It's just an emo.
Everyone gets a border. And if you do media, you know, mediocre,
you get a variant. Right, But you lose a game
minus fifty points, You're like, yeah, you don't got to
kick me when I'm down.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
You know, so welcome to the goolag speaking to like
trying to improve this mode. I think there are a
couple of things, in my opinion. I think one, make
it opt in, right, you just had to go compete.
I think you have tier tisms like so many other things.
So you walk your way from like bronze to silver

(45:27):
to gold master, right, yeah, each league you get something different,
you know, And I wouldn't say necessarily like an emote, right,
especially like a Deadpool remote which everyone's gonna want, but
like titles or even like avatars wouldn't make a lot
of sense, like these very exclusive avatars or titles where

(45:49):
you're still showing it off. You're showing that you accomplished something,
but not necessarily like an emote where it's just like
want everyone's gonna want it to do, like come Deadpool
facing backwards with the little fingers mouth or right, doesn't
want that emoment like everyone, right, So if you go

(46:11):
that route where you could still have stuff where you're
showing off that hey look I did this, or even
some of the borders, right you can earn a border.
I think those kind of things will be better off,
and people wantn't feel as bad right where they're like, well,
I guess I'm not getting that. So a tier system
you work your way up, so naturally the best players

(46:31):
are gonna end up in that like Master Gold league
right where they're facing off against each other. You know,
you're gonna have people down in the bronze leagues, where
again the reward isn't gonna be as good, but at
least you feel like you can win a couple of games.
You're paid playing against people on your your level.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, and that's the thing I like the the the
idea behind that you're playing against people your level, right
or your level. And I agree that the prizes that
should they should offer, like say, it's opt in right,
if they want to give out an EMO, everybody who

(47:12):
opts just to opt in should get the EMO right now,
if you want a prize you know of one, two, three,
you know. However, many I like the idea of it
being a title, being an avatar, you know, being a
like you said, a frame, but because those are things

(47:38):
that like you, you look at. I don't know why
this keeps doing this.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
I'm sorry, it says on my end it's because you
minimize oh I see, even.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
If you do something like I think something they could
easily do around the avatar creating another border there, right, Yeah,
that says, hey, this is what I've accomplished. Right. It's
just like when you kind of get those random orders
for pulling the the spotlight right order with it, or

(48:12):
you get a border on an avatar. If you could
get a border that you could put on any avatar
you want or or something like that, it's going to
show hey, I was in the last season or for
this specific season, right, And you can compromise those out
and make it still be a desirable thing that people

(48:33):
who really want to be you know, to go hard.
Like you said, we'll get for pride, which would be nice,
you know.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Yeah, So I mean if they do it like that,
it would make it feel better for you know, those
that don't feel like trying so hard in the game,
because if just getting infinite, I know, there's a certain
percentage that has never made infinite and they're still trying

(49:06):
to do it. It is. It is tough because it's
very sweaty to climb the ladder. Now sometimes it takes
people the whole month, so throwing a game mode. I

(49:26):
was looking at your face. I was like, stop making
that face. I'm not calling you up.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Sometimes it takes you the whole month and you still don't.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Get it, and you know, that's that's that that's hard
to do. So when you have that mode and then
you throw another mode, like, hey, not only do you
have to compete in this one, you have to compete
in the other one too. Right now, you have to
split your time where yeah, a game is about five minutes, right,

(49:58):
but it it takes more than one game to get
to infinite. So it's like you're gonna you have to
constantly play the game, split your attention and knowingly split
your attention because okay, okay, what am I fighting for? Here?
Am I fighting for Infinite? Am I fighting for the
the the league? Right? So so I don't know, it's

(50:23):
it's it's a weird thing like you guys, like, don
you know you mentioned again Deadpool Diner. It's fun. It
didn't interfere with trying to get to Infinite because it
was just a fun mode. If you were getting rocked
on the ladder trying to get to infinite, play some
Deadpool Diner, calm down, right, Yeah, earn as much bubbs

(50:45):
as you can. It will refill later. Yeah, you know
that that's how you felt, you know. And it's like
it's like before now that Deadpool Diner's gone, it's just
like in Conquest. Oh, risk everything in conquest and you
can always get another ticket later on.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Yeah, right, there was no stress proving grounds work your
way back up.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Mm hmm. So if they can can make leagues like that,
I feel like they would have a more successful even
even if they wanted people to pay in some way
right to opt in, you know, you could choose not
to do it. You could opt in for a buck,
right or something.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Like that, like gold.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I don't give them these ideas.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
About it. But you do a league, right, so you
know there's a one gold league, right, there's a thousand
gold league, right winner take all, right, and you're opting
into what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
But then that's all league that that's actually gambling, now,
isn't it?

Speaker 2 (51:57):
So pretty much what it is. That was what themart was, but.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
You didn't have to buy it though.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
It's only gambling if you lose.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
No, it's only gambling if you spend money. Because we
each got the variant right, spending no money, right, sorry,
not the variant. We got the card, but we also
all got the variant, right, okay, So and we didn't
spend money. It just took us that two weeks, you know.

(52:29):
So it's just like, hey, give us an option spend
money or time. I'd rather do time. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
So you have a free league, you have a credits league,
you have a gold teag, you have a league where
you put up a card.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
I don't know, Jesus, this is getting.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Hip.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
I'll wager allis and the Pixels because.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
They take these.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
All right. So, uh the last thing, uh we're gonna
go over really quick is the OTA, but we also
want to talk with you guys in the chat, you know.
I know Fantony is giving us a deck and we
definitely want to look at it. So, uh so we're
gonna go over the OTA that came out today really
quick and then we'll we'll get on it. So the

(53:19):
first card that we have that was updated was Angel,
and Angel was a one two card. Now it is
a two three card. Now. I don't know if this
does anything to Angel. It can't be kill mongered anymore.

(53:41):
It gets one more power. I guess it's better for
venom to eat. But what do you get? What do
you think about it?

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Uh, Dakota, it's trash man.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
I don't know what the heck they were thinking about
doing this. Honestly, he wasn't played before putting it, you know. Okay, cool,
we got a little bit more power on him. I'm
not gonna take anything out of that destroy bill to
put him in it. Like, I don't see that being
beneficial now with the airsham decks, right, I can see
if you have a you know, adding.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
Well, we can talk about that change with him.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
But if he's showing up and you're still doing like
a destroy airsham, yeah, I mean it feels a little
better to have additional power, but in reality, this is
this is like what are you doing? Why do you
even try with this card?

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Right? Like this?

Speaker 3 (54:31):
So in my opinion, it's kind of like it's kind
of hot garbage.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
How about yourself done?

Speaker 4 (54:38):
Okay, hear me out something crazy? Okay? It fits into
a T three. Oh, because we're in the middle of again.
I don't, I don't it sounds crazy interesting. We're running
in the middle of a zoo centric deck, right, Yeah,

(55:00):
you have this card. You have a kill monger. You
make sure you have something that you can just get
rid of it pulls it out. You've just played a
free two cost card. I know, it's crazy I have
I don't know. This just came to me, so I'm
gonna be playing with it later. I don't know. Is

(55:22):
it trash, Yeah, it's probably trash, but I'm trying to
make trying to put lipstick on this pig, you know.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Okay, Okay, yeah, I see that. So yeah, we'll we'll
look into that and that should be interesting. So look
look out on our uh, on our instagram, maybe donald
post something if you find something very juicy. So the
next card that got updated was Ersham and Risham. Basically

(55:50):
he just changed from adding twelve cards to your deck
now he is adding fifteen. So go ahead and speak
on this.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Done, I think so obviously the idea is that it
puts more cards in so you are less likely to
pull the cards that you put into the deck. Right. Uh,
every time I played in an airsham deck that hasn't happened.
They either pulled their loki or they pulled their their blob.

(56:22):
Like every single time, every single time I was playing
Destroy earlier just to get some bounties done, and a
Heresham deck that had two knolls and I was just
I was I was crying because they they're loky, and
then they played two noles. I was just like, what

(56:43):
am I supposed to do? I think I the theory
of it works. I mean, obviously it makes uh sander
Nova a little bit better against that specific deck. Yeah,
but we'll see how it goes. Obviously we've seen a
drop in the Airsham in the first place. You know,

(57:05):
once Cassandra came in, everyone was playing Darkhawk. You know,
it really did change that deck a little bit. So
thankfully we're not saying it as much. We'll see what
the future holds with this little change here though, but
in theory it should be nice.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah, what are your thoughts to God?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Yeah, I agree with don this one.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
I think that the additional cards hopefully puts a little
more disrupt on their playline that they picked, because yeah,
I mean, they always seem to get the cards they want.
It's so frustrating to fight against Aersham when you don't
have anything to really counter him, and it pretty much
just results and you happen to leave whatever cubes were
snapped on because I don't get the upper hand with

(57:51):
airsham rare, so I'm not a fan of that card.
I don't know how much this is going to hurt him.
I could still see him being a problem. I don't
know if they really have a good answer to fix this. Hopefully,
this kind of you know, kind of keep saying moving smooth,
and you're like, okay, you didn't get that Loki, you
didn't get your null whatever, we'll see, I'm hoping, but yeah,

(58:13):
that's how I feel about it. It's still a thorn
in my toe.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
And that's the thing, right, just because you're adding more
cards doesn't mean that there isn't a chance they won't
draw Loki on turn one, right where if they draw
Loki on turn one and they want to play Loki
on turn two, then they can. And basically they're fifteen
plus twelve twenty seven card deck becomes a regular sized

(58:40):
deck with a severe decrease you know, in a cost
which you're you're already getting bonus energy, now you're getting
decreased costs too. It makes Loki makes Ersham kind of broken,
oh big time. So you know, just those two card combos,

(59:01):
like if you if you draw Loki turn one, you're
just like okay, snap, right. So yeah, so I don't know,
just having a two card combo where the they're just
trying to lessen the algorithm of it happening multiple times
in a row. And I get that, you know, how else,

(59:21):
if they want to keep this mechanic of the game,
that's what they're gonna have to keep doing. If if
the the percentage goes lower, then it's easier, I guess.
I don't know, it will have a less win rate,
So I don't know. Uh So the next card we
have is the card we were talking about earlier is

(59:44):
Cassandra Nova, and Cassandra Nova she basically just lost one power.
Thoughts on this don.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
I mean obviously that one power loss is something, but
it also doesn't feel like that much because like, this
card already is great, right If you play it on
turn three, it's a three six. Right. If they play
one of the cards that got you know, a power
taken from it, it's a three seven. If they play

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another one, it's a three eight. It could be a
three to nine possibly, right, which good for what that is?
Like at three to nine if they play all the
cards like this kind of cards. It feels good like
you're not going to play it later and because it's
not going to be as powerful, so it feels I

(01:00:34):
like the card. I like kind of where it's at.
Its ability to take out specific decks is there, but
you know, I mean there's always a card that can
take out a specific deck. Yeah, I mean if you
have armor and you're if they have armor and you're
playing destroyed, well you guys, well leave right, There's always
a card that's just gonna be that automatic counter. So

(01:00:58):
I think it's I don't know how overpowered was in
the first place, but it feels okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Yeah yourself, Dakota.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
I think this one actually really coincides well with the
Airsham because now that you're getting additional cards, having this
card go down in one cost. Maybe it was it
was too busted with the additional couple of cards that
got added into Airsham, But in reality, this this card
is still kicking. I mean, this one is a good

(01:01:30):
defeater to Deadpool. It's it's disgusting, man, you're doing destroying
someone Cassandra's you you don't have them in your hand,
You're like, dang it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Every time I destroy there goes that play line.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
That's great, so, I mean it still cooks. Cassandra Nova
is an awesome card, probably one of my favorites at
the moment, just because it has such a good disrupt
and you get to beef up it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
I mean if you if you play.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
That with absorbing Men, you get a lot of pump
in that in that play line. I like that a lot,
So I'm cool with it going down one. It's not
too drastic. I think she still has a good potential
to be just a force to be reckoned with.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
So yeah, I like her.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Yeah, I think the change to her, like you said,
it wasn't necessary. They nerved Ersham by adding more cards
into the deck, so that means they add more power
to Cassandra, right, so take out take out her base power.
So if you take out her base power, I mean
they only tak about one base power. But Ersham gets
plus four cards, right, so she's still getting way more

(01:02:33):
power than he's getting nerved or yeah whatever, But so
it's it's a nice kind of balancing. We'll see how
it works. I mean, like Don mentioned, we don't see
too many airsham nowadays. When we when I do see him,

(01:02:53):
I'm just like, you know, you're still playing Airsham.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Get good kid, Amen, brother, Amen.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
No, I mean, I mean it does take skill. It's
a pilot in Ersham deck because you're getting random cards.
It's like always playing with what is it, Triskelion District decks. Yeah,
so I mean it's it's it's like always playing with
that and you can never come up with a strategy,
so you have to think on the fly. So so

(01:03:30):
I mean, yeah, Ersham, Like I don't like Ersham because
I don't like thinking on the fly I actually like
knowing what's in the deck that I'm running. That way,
I could be like, okay, do I have a counter
to this? But they snap with when you're on Ersham,
You're just like, do I have a counter to this?

(01:03:51):
I don't know, you know, if it's not in my hand,
I don't know if any card could be in my deck,
even copies of the same card that I have in
my deck, which which is insane. So uh. The next
one is Lady Death Strike. So she changed from a
five to six to a five to seven Dakota any
anything anything like drastic about this change.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
You know the fact that she has a complete rewrite
from I mean before it was anything less than her right,
and I missed that because she was really disruptive and
caused some havoc on anybody that you are going against.
I mean, seven is a pretty high stat It's not
as intense as it used to be with everything. Like

(01:04:38):
I've always said, the inflation of Marvel Snap, the power
is going up on a lot of them, so it's
not too drastic, but I do miss the old style.
So for her to go up one cost really doesn't
change much I for me personally.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
Okay, how about yourself done?

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Yeah, I mean she fits mainly into a story archetype.
Having the one extra power is nice, but I still
don't see her play going up that much just because
of that one extra power.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Yeah, And honestly, I feel like because she's a five cost,
she like, I don't know, I feel like that doesn't
work because I would rather play a venom carnage combo
on turn five than her.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
So I don't know that that's just where destroy is
at right now. It had like uh, Fantany says, you know,
there's potential, but it's very niche. Yeah, So that's that's
a good way to put it. So the next card
that they upgraded or you know, buffed is man Thing

(01:05:50):
Man Thing went from a four to five to a
four to seven. Good anything to say on that?

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Dan, Yeah, I mean I think we might see him
played a little bit more with this age of age
of that's been going on, Right, he does really help
out a lot in that work hard better than that?

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
How about yourself? To God?

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Yeah, I mean that's got a lot more power on
his card. I'm cool.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Like I know, I just said that, you know, five
seven on Lady Desk strikes not too crazy, but with
this one doing that negative three, it's pretty impressive with
what he can do.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Like, his power is actually pretty stacked.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
If he's on a lane with a lot of lower
cost cards, with Ajax, with Cassandra with a bomb, Like,
I don't know, I think there's some things you could
do with Jaevo mixed in there. Like I'm liking that.
I think that this is a new era that could
really bring a toxic out some toxic card place style.

(01:07:00):
And I know we have a few guys in our
alliance that really love that, so I'm sure they're pumped
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
So it's cool to see.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
All right, one card?

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Yeah, so Luke Cage is the answer.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
That's true. But yeah, that's what sucks. The negative power
will always have two what is it two enemies Shadow
King and Luke. So you know, like Don mentioned, if
one card one card can always destroy a whole what

(01:07:36):
is it archetype sometimes. Now the next card that got
updated or revisited basically was the Mindstone, So the Mindstone
basically just change back to a one cost feel great
about this? Might try Thanos out again. But how do

(01:07:58):
you feel about this, Dakota.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Yeah, honestly, I was just looking at revamping my Fantos
before we officially opt on here because I was like, oh,
you know what, Actually he's back, and then Lockjaw is
back to what he used to be, So I think
that this this could be like a slow role and
then I could see by next week everyone's playing Thantos again.
You're just like, I want to play the game. So yeah,
I'm excited for that actually because I missed Danos. Dude,

(01:08:22):
that was a really fun deck.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Okay, how about yourself done?

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
I mean, thats the think Zach or uh, Lockjaw is exactly,
He's a fore cost now but you know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
You got me there.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
Now it's I'm not I know they changed it because
of the whole mockingbird thing. Ultimately, I I don't see
it being a huge change. I mean it's a big
change for Thantos, that's for sure, but yeah, it's just
one cost. Now it'll be good. I'll mess around with

(01:08:58):
some more Thaniels now that it's not beaten with a
beat the death of a stick like a dead horse,
you know, like they did so long first, so many times, yeah, continuously, NonStop.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
I feel like with the change now, it it makes
Thinos be and you know, Thnos is more Thanos centric now, right,
so it's it's not as broken to get the stones
in your hand anymore so before it was because you're like,
oh man, I could use the stones for this for that,

(01:09:32):
but now it's only for Thanos. So I like that
they made that change, and I hope, you know, Thinos
comes back, but you know, not overpowered now. The next
one is Nocturn. So they changed Nocturn from a three
five to a three four. What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
Don I mean, here's getting a lot of play to
begin with, and having a three to five, which is
you know, premium power. Yeah, and the ability to change
a lane, which you know everyone was using that. I mean,
I feel like she replaced basically Jeff once the whole

(01:10:17):
Professor X thing happened. Yeah, while you know, her losing
the power kind of sucks. I don't think it's going
to be that big of a deal to it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
And just to hop on what you just said, I
feel like Jeff isn't even it anymore, right, Like Jeff
had such a niche thing against Professor X that now
that anybody can move things in Like you said, Noctrin
just takes Jeff's spot. There's not really anything that a

(01:10:51):
besides playing Jeff as a second card after Sandman has
been played. I don't think there's any other thing that
Jeff can do that Nocturne can't. I mean, I guess
you could play Jeff directly on a location you can't.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
Play in, but right, I mean you can play it there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Oh yeah, that's true. And uh you said the Throne
what was it called?

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
What it was?

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Yeah? So I mean yeah, I mean that's you know,
very what like very niche locations like you get it, Yeah, exactly.
So it's it's it's very weird. But on top of that,
you could just move nock turn in there and just
turn it off. So I mean you have more applied

(01:11:41):
uses with Nocturne than Jeff nowadays. But what do you
think about the change da coda.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
I don't feel too bad about it, just because maybe
it balances a little bit more. There's there's been times
when that five stat is just it's hard to contest with.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
So I'm okay with it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Yeah, I know, which is fair for me to say,
but actually I'm okay with it. I kind of like
the tables, I know, right, I'm curious to see how
this is going to play out in the next few weeks,
because yeah, this stat, this this five cost has been
many games where just me moving her not even like
I just go hopefully whatever location she changes doesn't screw me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
But as long as I have that five, I win.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
And you know that could be overpowered and I could
see that getting a nerve for a reason. So I'm
cool with it. But I agree with you guys completely,
like she's taking Jeff spot completely, dude, Like I don't.
I don't rarely see Jeff anymore. The only time you do,
really is if the Sandman deck is is rolling out
with whatever they're playing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
So yeah, and you know, we have been seeing more
sand Man and he's actually the next card we're going
to talk about. But like nobody's really running Jeff as
much anymore, right that he's being replaced with better cards,
like better two costs card. It's like white Widow. So
it's kind of it just sucks that he kind of
lost his niche because uh, Professor X was changed. Hopefully

(01:13:11):
we see another change of Professor X making Jeff great again,
you know, make Jeff great again. Maja at Uh. So yeah,
it's uh, it's uh, it's it's something hopefully they can
get back to because Jeff week is coming up, so

(01:13:33):
hopefully they do something with that. The next card we
have is Sandman. Uh he changed from a five to
seven to a five to six. Uh, Dakota, how do
you feel.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Maybe it's just because he's been wreaking havoc so much
with that new deck style that's just been before I
got all the ladder, which praise got him out of
the letter, that thing was killing. So yeah, I don't
know what's been going on in the ladder. I've been
playing Conquest with for my bounties pretty much ever since
I've been out, so I haven't really come across it,

(01:14:08):
but it was rough. Yeah, and I came across that deck.
I was like, oh, great, here we go again. And
then turn four they snap and be like, I don't
forgot it and he just bounced, So maybe he's overpowered.
And they said, we'll just cost less contestable, so we'll
see see what time tells.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Yeah, it makes sense. I mean with with uh Sandman
coming back, maybe you run Jeff again. Thoughts on Sandmann, Yeah,
obviously they've reduced him or produced him down one point.
He's went up when they changed his effect.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
From being like permanent to the just the next turn
he went up what uh three points or something like that. Ye,
So it's just a small adjustment. I don't think it's
gonna especially even for that deck. I don't think it's
gonna be that big of a deal because the effective
is really the thing you're looking for, and five to six,
while not great to play, it's not that bad.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Yeah, it's it's a it's a really cool aspect of
the game where you're like, very you're limiting your opponent.
But I feel like in Conquest once you do this,
you're just like, okay, well I just got to play
around the sand Man and it's easier right. The place
where it catches you off guard is when it's on

(01:15:28):
the ladder. So really good card. It's typically played in
Ultron nowadays, so hopefully you know, yeah, we don't see
we we won't see too much Sandman. But it is
a really niche play style which I enjoy playing against it.

(01:15:50):
I don't really enjoy playing it. I enjoy playing it
when I get the fill all four locations or all
three locations, so you know, you just play you Ultron,
everything fills up. They gotta play one lane only. Uh
so the last card they got they updated was tena,
which she went from A two to one to a

(01:16:11):
to zero. I'm gonna speak on this card first because
I love this card. I didn't love that. I didn't
always love this card, but I love this card now
because of you know, the application of playing multiple cards
a turn, especially with like you know, a kiddie pride deck,
and on turn five you're always hesitant to play. If

(01:16:36):
you played it down on two, then on on the
old power level, you would get it to to ten
by turn six. That means they could shun chie it.
But now that it's changed to a to zero, if
you play two cards after turn two, it will get
to two nine and then they can't shown chia because

(01:17:02):
it gets powered up plus three at the end of
the turn, So it would become a two twelve, which
is two plus power, which is amazing, you know, especially
if you run in a deck that has like Iron
Man or something like that. So let me go with you,
don how do you feel about this card?

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
I also love Angeline Lee. I mean you know, yeah, No,
I think you hit it on the nose right. It
is a slight nerve, but in some ways it might
end up being a buff just because you are sitting
under that shung chi until the very very last turn. Yeah,

(01:17:43):
so I think you you kind of hit it on
the nail where it feels like a nerve, but it
might actually end up making this card even better.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Yes, exactly. How about yourself, Dakota.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
I'm agreeing with you guys on this one. At first,
I was like, oh man, why would they But then
hearing your opinion on it at work today, okay, as
you're talking about and then again reiterated, I'm like with
you guys on this one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
I'm bandwagon in this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Yeah. I mean it would also get more people to
play more magic right against uh Athena because on turn
six it will be a twelve and like okay, oh
back to shang Chi range. So I don't know if
you play decks that benefit would turn seven tena might
you know be easy for you to go against.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
So you're really gonna tech in a magic just a fight.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
The no I meant, I meant like, you know, if
you make a deck that has that's good with turn seven,
you're like, oh, Athena, I will play that magic. You know,
if you have like a should I play magic? Should
I not? Should I have it at his extern? Or
will he beat me on the seventh turn?

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
So yeah, yeah, So.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
The last thing we want to do is we want
to look at our chat. I know, I know chat
was going off today. We appreciate you guys, you know
so much just participating, especially fantiny uh uh Ghost and
then Sully and Joe. We appreciate you guys being in

(01:19:14):
the chat. But Fas, I don't know if you see
fantiny uh Fattini showed a deck that he wanted us
to look at real quick. So I'm just gonna uh
say it, say the Actually, no, I'm not gonna say
the deck. I'm gonna put the deck in the deck builder. Yeah,

(01:19:36):
so let me show the screen. So, okay. So the
first card he has is Nebula okay, and then he
has Silock, h Armor, m Zabu, Venom ok them. This

(01:20:19):
is turning out pretty spicy right now, deathlock rescue. Why
doesn't it just automatically addit? I don't play online, I
play on phone. Rescue Omega, Red, Phoenix, Force, h A, Tuma,

(01:20:55):
Sarah Orca okay, And I just want to read what
he said alongside this, he goes ideal line is to
use Zabu or sidelock on two, play rescue on turn three,

(01:21:17):
then destroy rescue on turn four, revive rescue into an
empty lane on turn five, then drop orco where you
revive rescue for sixteen power, and then you move the
rescue of whatever lane. So you have a nineteen power
bomb movable bomb, tough deck to pilot, but it works
well on ladder. So let me go ahead and move

(01:21:39):
this so you guys can see it real quick. All right,
So here's the decking question. What do you, gentlemen, think
about this deck.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
I get where the armor is coming from with a Tuma,
but at the same time, trying to do a Phoenix
deck with armor is a little challenge.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Yeah. So I can see where, like people would, it
would work well on ladder, but you have to draw correctly.
The thing about this one is if you don't draw correctly,
you have to leave right. Oh so a tuma is

(01:22:41):
a backup revival target, which is cool because a tuma
destroys himself right and then at the end of the
game you could just move him into an armor lane.
That the thing I I kind of go by Uh
what's his name? Uh? What was the top Singapore streamer
that we always used to watch, Lamby Lamby Lamby? Yeah.

(01:23:06):
So the thing about building a deck, I mean the deck.
A deck works if it's fifty percent, it has a
fifty percent win rate. So if it has a fifty
percent win rate, it's a probably it's probably a good deck, right,
And it's not hard to get a fifty percent win
rate with a deck. You know, if you're a good player,

(01:23:27):
you could pilot it well, you draw the right cards.
Fifty percent is not that bad kind of any deck
can work. You know, you win, you win, uh one
out of the two every time. The thing that he
mentioned is when building a deck, if you if it
can do anything, it has to do that thing really well.

(01:23:52):
And the only downside I see from this deck is
just it has a lot of moving pieces. Yes, it's
very it could be very cohesive, and it's very it's
a very uh spicy cook. Uh you know if I
do say, it's so much like I've I've never seen
this cook before. It's very spicy, so it's very original

(01:24:17):
and very unique. But just having to yeah, I agree,
so uh Fattani said, I have I've never had a
mirror match because your cook is very unique, and it
can be misconstrued as like if I don't get the

(01:24:41):
right draws, I can't do anything. So that's the only
thing I see on it. It's a really cool looking deck.
I'll definitely give it a try and hopefully come back
next uh next podcast, hopefully, you know, please we'll talk
about it. I'll talk about how you know, how I did,
because I definitely want to try it out.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
Yeah, you know, looking at it, it's it's really interesting,
especially saying that like built for the ladder, right Yeah,
this this being built for the ladder makes a lot
of sense because what's the one thing that always happens
on the ladder? Right, You play a card and you're like, Okay,
I know exactly what deck they're playing, right, So now
I know, Okay, I can snap, I can run, I

(01:25:27):
know exactly what I'm looking for. Yea, this deck doesn't
have that, right. Yeah, you're you're not gonna win every card, right,
but especially on the ladder, you're gonna be like, what
the hell is this person playing? Where you do have
multiple play lines, right, you have multiple abilities in here
to kind of do a different couple different things, and

(01:25:47):
like I mean, like you just said, people are surprised, right,
They're like, wait, what just the hell just happen? Yeah,
because that's what like look at It's like, okay, I
could see slowly, you know you're working through. Okay, you
win an Omega lane, Omega red lane, you have Orca
holding down a lane, you have Sarah to kind of

(01:26:09):
change things. People have no idea what you're playing. I
mean even like, I mean you've played Phoenix, right, Like
we played Phoenix a couple of seasons ago, and that's
what got us infinite right as soon as you saw
the card, You're like, I know exactly what's going to happen.
He pulled that card. I'm leaving before this happened. Yeah,
this almost especially on the ladder, You're like, is this

(01:26:31):
a bot? Yeah exactly, I was, but it has the
ability like it's not a bot deck. I could see
a plane out pretty well. I'm definitely gonna mess around
with it. Yeah, looks like fun.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Yeah. So so it's it's really cool. Like what you
mentioned where it's if you can keep them in the
game long enough to know like, oh wait, what am
I playing, you probably won the game because if they
know your playline, say you're playing a basic destroy deck
on the ladder, people are gonna be like, okay, well

(01:27:06):
if they have death and they have Noll in their hand,
I lost, right, But when you play a deck like this,
you're just like, I don't know what the hell they
have in hand.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
So it's a really cool thing to do, and it's
very rare to do it. So, you know, kudos to you,
Fatini that you know you this deck is actually something
you know you don't see very often, like you said,
because it's very unique. But Yeah, if you guys want

(01:27:37):
to give it a try, go ahead and check out
the video podcast. We will be posting it on YouTube,
so it's gonna be the deck will be there. We
appreciate you submitting that deck, and like I said, if
you're here next week, we'll we could talk about how
we did and yeah, we'll give it a try. Definitely,

(01:27:58):
anything else you guys would like to add before we
end the show.

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
No, I just appreciate you guys. I appreciate people who
watch and listen to us as always. You know, we
really do just enjoy doing this. So anyone who's willing
to listen to us for you know, an hour and
a half, very appreciative.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
I agree with Don on that big time. I mean
it's been fun too with Alliance.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Now we got a solid group of people that are
helping us with the bounties along, like just come alongside
us playing and this is dope, this game. It just
got to the next level with that, and I think
this is I don't know, just the potential for for
everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
I'm pumped.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
I know I say a lot, but like it means
so much just be able to do what we're doing,
goofing off making memes talking about the game that we
all love so much, and we're building a community around us.
So we're all close to four hundred y'all. We almost
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(01:29:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
Have a good night, bye bye, I'll bet to say,