#881- Biblical Anomalies, Nephilim & Unicorns! W/ Conspiracy Garden a.k.a. Sixth Sensory Project

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Odal Tsar.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
of Conspiracy and my name's Jonathan Jacob and today we
got your boy, Tim Constantine for a swapcast from the
sixth Censory podcast. Welcome back to the show, my good brother.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Hey guys, happy to be here. Thanks for having me again.
It's always great.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh of course, man, it's dude. I love these back
and forth kind of conversations. What we are able to
bounce off of each other, the knowledge that you've inquired
just over the past couple of years with your podcast
combined with us, you know, and me and Jacob very
different ideologies, able to see things from multiple different perspectives,
and then that third perspective, that third eye perspective from

(01:28):
the Tim constantiner. Uh, it's awesome, man. So it's uh,
it's it's always fun doing these kind of shows. But uh,
what you've been up to lately, brother, just on.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
The grind man, just trying to grow the show and
trying to find time for research. I say that, but actually,
like most of my free time is research, so it's
more like I'm trying to find time to podcasts.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
So it'd be like that.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
It really do It's weird because even if as I'm
just ingesting content in some way, shape or form, it's
never from my leisure anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
It's always for a purpose. But that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
That's why having this as a job is the best
job I've ever had, because this is stuff that I
was looking into and researching on my own before I
ever got involved with podcasting, because this is the stuff
that interests me and stuff that I love digging in on.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
So it's not it never feels like work.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
It feels like I'm looking into stuff and watching videos
and documentaries and looking up articles on things I would
have been doing any damn way.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
So I feel that, Yeah, I feel the same exact way, dude,
Like all day every day, I am plugging in and
trying to find something. I'll read an article and I'll
get one thing out of that article. I'm like, wait,
you can't just glaze over that. I need more information
on that word or that sentence or what you just
referenced right there. And then a lot of times that

(02:46):
just turns into an entire show in and of itself.
So it's fun being able to dissect certain things like that,
And I almost feel like Sherlock bro Whenever I'm doing
research like that, you know, it's like picking up the
breadcrumbs and you know that it's going to lead to
something all awesome, and like you know, you feel when
you're onto something like that, and so it's really fun.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah, you could tell when you're when you're sniffing out
some of them, like it's it's just around the corner,
and it's funny. I've had those Charlocke moments as well, man,
where I'm like really in it, like I'm like, I'm
full blown in investigation mode. But sometimes I'm just like,
like what Jacob said, I'm just doing like this is
something i'd do anyways. And I'll catch myself sometimes I'll

(03:27):
be working on something for the specific purpose to lay
it out on the podcast eventually, and I'll catch myself thinking, like,
oh man, this this reminds me of like me five
years ago when I didn't have the show and I
was just reading everything I could on Wikipedia about the
Tape murders and every weird intricate niche blog niche blog
that I could find on the Tape murders. So not

(03:49):
a whole lite's changed for me in the grand scheme
of things, except for I've honed my perspective in on things,
I'm proadened my perspective on things. My paradigm has been
shifted I don't know about five times at this point,
and like big, you know, those big shifts like the
earthquake comparadigm shift that I think everybody needs to have.
But yeah, man, I love doing this. And I got
a whole stack of books in the other room there

(04:11):
beside my bed that I mean, there's no way I'm
gonna be able to read all those dame here before
next year. I guess.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, there's just no damn way. And we get a
lot of guests on that have have written books and
stuff like that, and eventually I would love to be
able to find the time to be able to read
all these damn things. But it is awesome, you know,
digging down those rabbit holes. But yeah, dude, it's uh, it's.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
People sending me books too. I'm sure they're doing that.
I've got an inbox full of books that PDFs, and
I'm like, how do I tell these people I don't
I don't have time right now.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, you know, I feel bad for it too, because
I wish I was more of a reader, Like just
in general, I wish I was more of a reader.
Like typically, instead of reading the book, I'm the guy
that will go and watch the movie.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
And yes, I know I'm gonna miss so many things
in doing.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Such, But honestly, the only book I ever really find
myself reading, as cliches it sounds, is the Bible. Other
than that, I'm reading like articles or you know, science
journals or technology journals, industry kind of stuff or something
of the conspiratorial nature, but like to actually sit there
and crack open a book and like turn the pages
and do the thing.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Honestly, pretty much only the Bible, and.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
These days especially it's usually for more of a purpose.
It's like, for instance, I was just reading in Leviticus
nine where they're talking about which section of the ram
to sacrifice, like take the long lobe of the liver,
not the entire liver and all of these things, and
yes it's biblical knowledge, but I looked at it for
that purpose of like, wait, why that specific part, what

(05:46):
was the point on this, and like we did we
talked about that on an episode here recently. But yeah,
I find myself back and forth bouncing between the Gospels
and things through John and things through Paul, and then
going back to the Old test to find what was
the historical precedence for that crazy statement that was made
in this and this, And it's like it's research in
its own right.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
If that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Oh yeah, man, that's that's stack of books I have.
The top book is the Bible for me, and I
read a little bit of it every day. It's rare
that I don't read some of that, but like I
find myself in in the middle of trying to unravel
so many different conspiracies just from reading the Bible, Like
it is a book of conspiracies. I don't think I've

(06:29):
ever said that before, but it's dawning on me that
they're there because I'm always I mean, I found one
in Isaiah the other day. It's like the whole chapter
and it's like talking about Basra and and God's sort
of battle, and it seems like it's a cosmic battle
at that between Edom and God. And nowhere in that

(06:52):
past is does it say that it was, Like, it
doesn't indicate that it was the Israelites fighting Edom. It
sounds like God in his heaven hosts having like full
on Star Wars battle and leveling Basra, and then later
it says it starts bringing these other entities and talks
about Lilith is like and Lilith will be will be

(07:12):
on the grounds of the ruins of Bozra like shitty
like somehow encapsuled to stay on the ruins of the
ancient city, great, great, great passage. He talks about lay
lines in there and everything. So that's why I say,
like conspiracy in the Bible, That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
So the Book of Isaiah is very interesting.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
I was actually just talking with the Cult of Conspiracies
Resident Jewish correspondent Royce if you're listening, love you to death,
our resident jew hoomie.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
And uh.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
He was asking, where in the Bible does it talk
about Satan rebelling right and falling from having all these things,
and it doesn't actually explicitly talk about it. It was
as far as the in the Book of Revelation that
makes some mentions of it in these things, but actually
in the Book of Isaiah there is a spot where
he's talking to a king, and as far as the

(08:00):
the words being used, he's making a reference as if
this is a human talking to a human But when
you look at the grandiose poetry that is being used,
talking about falling like thunder and all these things, and
you will be brought down. And it's like, the way
it's being worded, it's clear to most people that he
is not actually talking about a human king and a

(08:21):
human person. This is a metaphor for other things. Then
there's gonna be an argument to say, well, that's not
what was intended in all these things. But it's like, dude,
the Book of Isaiah has prophetic messages within it, so
how do we know this wasn't also a prelude? Right,
So what happened before the Garden of Eden and all
these things. It's it's just fascinating to get into those

(08:42):
kinds of conversations.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
With Yeah, and also I've been doing a little bit
of research on this too, just earlier today. And this
is the thing. This is that fucking conspiracy mind of
always trying to you get an idea and all right,
all right, well let me chee, let me see, let
me see. And I got into this mindset of like,
all right, well, you always bring up up the idea
of the Book of job right about how basically the

(09:05):
devil and God were having a conversation in heaven, and
there's no way that could have happened because there's no
way the devil would be allowed back into heaven.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Bro, I get shipped on from my perspective on that.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
By the way, there's there's multiple different perspectives on that,
and you're actually you represent a third of people that
think that that that had to have been like philosophical
or whatever. It couldn't have really happened.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Cool story.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, And what I found is that there are other
ways of looking at it. So maybe that was a
conversation with Satan before he fell from heaven. That because
he was always known as the accuser, right, even whenever
he was an angel in heaven, he was always known
as an accuser? Am I wrong saying that incorrect?

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I've got some of it right here, and I lets
see if I can jump in here. So well, when
you ask people where Lucifer is mentioned in the Bible,
they'll say Isaiah fourteen twelve. There, let me come back
to that, because I don't necessarily think that that's exclusively Lucifer.
I think it's an entity who also goes by Lucifer.
And I'll explain that in a minute too. Uh well,

(10:08):
let me just say this right now. Lucifer is a
Latin word that was added later to the Latin Vulgate.
I believe it never in the original text said lucifer.
It said morning star. Don Yeah, well, well so light
bringer is what they added in later in my in

(10:28):
my opinion, and because lucifer is Latin for light bringer,
so whoever was doing the Latin Bible added in that
word Lucifer was never there. But when you say, when
people say Lucifer led a third of the angels to fall,
and you ask them where is that at in the Bible,
they say Revelation twelve, verse four, And I'll pull it

(10:51):
up because I got it right here. They says, it's
it's tail swept a third of the stars out of
the sky and flung them to earth. The dragon stood
in front of the woman who was about to give birth,
so that it might devour her child the moment it
was born. He doesn't say Lucifer. It's talking about an

(11:11):
entity of some sort, but doesn't say Lucifer. So my
whole thing with this is, and again this is just
my opinion. I'm trying to figure out who who Lucifer is,
who Satan is, and who the devil is, And right now,
I don't know that they're the same.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
I can't understand where you're going with this.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
But there is a devil figure that people are going
to say, Oh, he's trying to say there's no Satan. No,
I'm saying, we don't know exactly that person has is
a master of this. That entity is a master of
the skies. And I think they've led people to believe
that it's Lucifer, but its real name has been it's
hidden for some reason.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
I'm with you on this, and he is the great deceiver,
right and the accuser to your point, Jonathan, So all right,
let's let's break these things here. Book of Job, the
story of Job predates the writing of the Torah. Okay,
not the Book of Job's written down when they finally
codified it and put the oral tradition to paper. Okay,

(12:13):
because that's the deal. Even you could ask the high
level academic Jews of the world, the oral tradition. There's
an oral Torah and a written Torah.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Job.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
The Book of Job was a part of the oral Torah,
and this predates Moses. Okay, Moses is the one that
actually wrote down the Torah. Now that being said, does
that mean that it is a story that did not happen.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Not necessarily.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
My issue with the Book of Job is the fact
that a satan just bebops into heaven and throws down
a wager with God. Okay, that I have an issue
with that entire sentiment. A the reason he was cast
out Allegedly, if we are to believe that, is that
God is in the where he resides. You have to
be completely pure to be within his presence. Obviously, the

(12:59):
Great Decease is not of pureness, so he cannot be
in the presence of God. Right, That's just my personal opinion. Second,
the God that I worship specifically has said so many
times that he does not deal in games of chance. Okay,
he does, And I understand that people are gonna say, well,
he knew that Job was gonna be faithful. That's why

(13:19):
it wasn't a game of chance. And I understand that,
and I'm not disagreeing with that. But what I'm saying
is that God doesn't do deals. He doesn't he doesn't
place bets to make wagers. He says what things are
going to be and he says what they're not going
to be. So the entire premise that Satan had a
wager with God and used job as the pawn in

(13:40):
his game completely negates every bit of even if we're
talking about Old Testament God versus New Testament God, that
just it doesn't check out to me. It makes way
more sense to me that that is a story from
the oral Torah that was later codified, written down right,
and put into the Old Testament.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Just my two cents. A lot of people disagree with
me on that, and that's fine.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
So in my research I found that, you know, the
the actual Hebrew word chayton, I believe, is how it said.
It's spelled satan, just with a couple of squigglies over
some letters. But it literally means adversary or accuser. That's
what it translates to, right, And so he the advert
if you just change the words out and and don't

(14:22):
say that Satan or Lucifer or whatever went up to
heaven and had a conversation with God, put up the
adversary went up and had a conversation with God. What
is an adversary other than just somebody you're against?

Speaker 3 (14:36):
You know what I'm saying, and I'm with you, and
I think I'm a add to that. All this stuff
attributed to the Lucifer in my research where I'm sitting
right now, seems to be a group of rebel charitble. Yeah,
not just one guy. Lucifer is easy to understand. Uh,

(14:56):
I'm I'm not gonna say that.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Name the same way we have Michael, the archangel. Lucifer's
name when he was a part of the heavenly host,
the most beautiful angel, I might add, his name was
Lucifer at that time.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Right.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
I don't think the writers of the Bible ever used
the name Lucifer. I think it was added later.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Sure it was a Latinised version of whatever the Hebrew
was there it was.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Yeah, there is a real ante there, like the Diabolo
who tempted Jesus could have been one of these rebel
Cherubim or Seraphim. And I would suggest perhaps one of
these entities that we think of as Looseifer as Gabrielle
And I'm getting that from the Book of Enoch. The
Book of says Gabriel was one of the five angels
who rebelled against God, who was part of deceiving Eve

(15:47):
and the Fall of Man. So there you have the
introduction of five characters, one named right. So that's that's
what I'm going back to. I think there was a
group of these who throughout the age are stirring up
turmoil in the heavens and here on earth now, and
you got to go to some extra biblical text, in

(16:07):
my opinion, to kind of maybe get more info on that.
And I like the Book of Enos.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Well in different versions of the Bible too, will do
a world of difference. I feel like that it's it's
important to I mean, I'm not saying that everybody has
to go out and buy ten different versions of the Bible,
but you have all that stuff on your phone now,
you know. You just go to the Bible app or
you know a lot of these different websites and you
can click which you know, specific book you want to
pull it from. I mean, personally, my favorite is the

(16:32):
Geneva Bible that was fifteen ninety nine. I think that
Bad Boy came out and that and what's crazy is
is that didn't the the King James version came out
after that?

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Right?

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, So the King James version came out after that,
and you're you're reading the Geneva version, You're like, why
is the fifteen ninety nine version easier to read than
the King James version if it came out like sixty
or seventy years later or whenever it was, It's like
because he was trying to put that Shakespearean spin to it.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
So I think that the Geneva Bible was a Greek
to English translation when the King James Bible was a
Latin to English translation. But it wasn't even using the
same type of English, right, King James was using like
Shakespearean English. The Geneva Bible, if I'm not mistaken, it
wasn't like the peasantry English, but it was more associated
with what we might call the common tongue of English,

(17:22):
and it was a Greek to that translation. And if
we're gonna get real technical here, the Hebrew to Greek
crossover is a lot easier to jump from than the
Hebrew to Latin crossover. Like it is a it's a
completely different language group. Honestly, Greece and the Levant region
had way more contact with each other than Italy did

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for a millennia.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you this A step
deeper here. I might get a little wacky here, but
just hang with me. I want to go back to
that Isaiah fourteen that you brought up, Jacob Bora. Does
God does seem to address the King of battle on first,
but then I would I can show you other passages
where God addresses a king. He did it with Sanakarib,

(18:09):
and he did it with another one that's blanket from
my mind right now. But what he does is he'll
address Oh he did it with a hirearm King of
Tire as well, where he'll address the king and then
he'll address the entity ruling over the king. Exactly because
these guys answered straight up to a metaphysical mob boss.

(18:30):
In my opinion, that these were these these ancient areas
were ran by metaphysical principalities, and God in the Bible,
in my opinion, addresses them. He'll address the human king
first and then the metaphor physical gangster angel king second.
And so that's what I think is happening personally and

(18:51):
as Isaiah. So he he'll address the King of Babylon.
Then he goes day Star, son of Dawn.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Right, but he's not talking to the king as he's
calling him that now somebody will say, well, the king
was seen as a god on earth. That's clearly what
he meant, and like, okay, I understand the thought process there,
I do. But also some of the references that are
being made in the Book of Isaiah are a little
too grandiose for Hiram abiff right, or for that or nevkin,

(19:19):
Like I understand why somebody not knowing and just thinking
that was the poetic language of the day. When you're
standing before the king in his court, you would say
things like that, but like you wouldn't use very specific
examples of a fall from grace when speaking to the
king in his court.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Dude, I'm so Ezekiel twenty eight is the best yeah
thing because you can see God takes a breath after
he addresses King Hiram Yeah, and starts to address this
this principality over the kingdom itself. You could it's so
clear cut and dry. But when he does this with

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in Babylon, with the king's Babylon, he goes day Star,
son of Dawn. The Hebrew for that is Hellal ben Shahar.
Hellal means shining one, right Ben Saharming's morning star, son
of morning Star. Relating to the planet Venus Venus. This
is where I'm gonna get deep. Venus is associated with
Ishtar and Lucifer, because I a would suggest that maybe

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they're the same entity. But I'll tell you why. I
know people were going to affirm. I'll tell you why.
It's not just me saying that this is what some
of the ancients actually believed. There's a book called Two
Babylons Alexander his Lot contains an origin story for Ishtar,
and it goes an egg of wondrous size was said

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to have fallen from heaven into the river Euphrates. It
washed ashore. The doves, big bunch of doves sat on it.
Doves are associated with Istar. The egg cracks open, and
then it says out came Venus, who afterwards was called
the Syrian goddess, and Lucifer worshiped as Venus, and Ishtar
is worship as Venus. This is some sort of androgynous

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character who's associated with Nana, Ishtar and Lucifer. And this
is what the Syrians believed and some other people in
the Middle East. And so I think in Isaiah fourteen,
you have a passion where God talks to the kings
of Babylon, who definitely, by the way, worshiped Istar, not Lucifer.
They alder temples were to Ishtar inn Anna and they

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had the cult of Istar it was running strong. So
these guys didn't even worship Lucifer. They worshiped Ishtar mainly.
So I think that this is I think that this
is some sort of an androgynous entity, and that's an
unpopular opinion. But they're not like us, and you know,
they're sex as sex as far as male and female goes,

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may not be an.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Issue, well, not to the great deceiver of anything, right,
So like, for instance, in biblical reference, there's no such
thing as.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
A female angel.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Now, maybe they exist, but the female form of an
angel has never come to earth.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Say that again though, in the Book of What I'm.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Missing, Biblically speaking, there is never one time where an
angel appears and it is a female.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
It is always specifically male.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
Now except for Proverbs nine. What do you mean I'll
have to go get I mean, I'll just pulled up
on my phone. Proverbs nine it talks about how a
female entity named Wisdom.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm not saying Sophia.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, there was a female entity named Wisdom who was
there when God who sang when God created the heavens,
and it does refer to her as a female, and
she has some other type of entity. So there was,
in my opinion, there was some sort of a female
chair of them like entity.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
But not on earth. That was up there in the heavens,
is my point.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
So it's very possible that only the male angels do
the dirty work on Earth.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
It's very possible. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
But even that being said, if we were talking about
the great Deceiver, who can take on whatever form he
wants to whatever ends he has in mind, it would
be androgynous, right. And I know that there's a lot
of people that believe that every pagan deity is clearly
some sort of a demonically inspired force that took on
the form of this God or that God or whatever.

(23:22):
I see that in a couple of the cases, don't
get me wrong, especially God's like Mulloch where they were
sacrificing babies to him and shit like Okay, I see
where you're going with it, and I could see the
connections to it being a purely demonic or satanic force
that is inspiring this deity. But I also feel like
saying that for every single deity and every single pantheon

(23:42):
kind of cuts through, you know, millennia's worth of cultural
references and things that were important to that tribe. Like
I don't think that, you know, Balder, which was a
Norse pagan god, I look at his story and I
don't see inherent demonic inspiration. That doesn't mean I don't
see it in other deities, but like it's not a

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one percent across the board thing, at least not for
me personally.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
To be fair though, And I feel like we just
talked about this earlier, but there seems to be an
aspect within almost all other forms of spirituality where with
like the they they all want to somehow incorporate both
the the masculine and the feminine. That that is, that

(24:28):
that equals balance. So the idea that any of these
were physically androgynousts, I don't think that that's the point.
I think that the point is is being able to
master the balance between your emotions and you know, the
masculine you know kind of stuff. Because how many people
out there that you know, like you're like, oh, that's
a hard man, and you know, we were all taught

(24:50):
up like you know us especially you know, born in
the eighties and nineties, we were all brought up that like, oh,
you know, boys, don't cry, don't cry, hide your emotions,
don't do anything like that. And then we get to
a certain age where it's like it's all bottled up.
We don't know what to do. Our life's falling apart,
and we don't know how to express ourselves, so we
bottle it up, even in even farther And that's that

(25:11):
that probably goes against that balance, I would say. And
so I think that you need to have that balance.
And I think that that's what they were kind of
alluding to personally. That's how I look at it symbolically.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Yeah, So one other thing, like if people I don't know,
if you know somebody out there listening, so does size
skill look up the whole wisdom Sophia thing. I think
it's Proverbs eight and Proverbs not and I just want
to add that in. But also, like the path that
Venus kind of makes in the sky is rep is horns,
Like you see horns associated with Venus because of the

(25:43):
path that makes in a night sky, Venus is is
shtar by the way, and Satan, I would say that
Satan wearing horns has to do with Godess worship and
the path Venus makes in the sky because it goes
up around the rising and the of the sun and
it makes a shape that looks like horns. So there's

(26:04):
this link between the devil and horns.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Right, dude, All right, I'm gonna get this is probably
going to be blasphemous for anybody that is out there listening,
but just hear me out with this. There is alternative
views of being able to look at this. You don't
have to agree with me, but the mark of an
intelligent man is to listen to somebody while not having
to agree. Right. I can't remember who said that, no

(26:30):
starts with the name Aristotle. So I think, and this
is just a theory that I've been working with, and
I'm sure I'm not the first person to ever throw
this one out there. I think that actually that Jesus
and Satan could just be different aspects of God himself,
because I think that there's always intermediaries, Like if you

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look literally at every other spirituality, at every other religion,
there is always an all good and an all bad,
and they're usually aspects of one thing. Usually, so if
you think about it, like, how about uh, Jesus. You know, well,
Lucifer is known as Venus, right, Well, wasn't Jesus also

(27:13):
referenced as the morning Star at the same time he
was also like.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
At one point in the Bible, and it may have
been a thing where they were renaming him the king
of a certain type of thing. Yeah, okay, we're taking that,
We're taking that title away from that entity, that Luciferian entity,
and we're giving it back to Jesus. That's a possibility.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
In translatory matters on this one as well. I should
mention that.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
But yes, Jonathan, to your point, I know, I just
I like to look at it for that because I
think that everybody has a little bit of all good
and all bad inside of each one of us. And
could those just be symbols of different archetypes that represent,
you know, one thing, and it could you know what
I'm saying, Like, everybody has that devil and that angel
on their shoulder. Everybody has that.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
But I also believe that God deals in the world
of absolutes. That's just my personal thing. I don't think
that God's got a little bit of bad within him.
That's just my personal opinion, but I hear what you're saying.
And now this is kind of what you're saying is
also kind of in realm of with like what the
Gnostics thought in a sense.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
So Hormans by the way, they thought that Jesus and
the devil were brothers.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, well, I mean just and and think about what
is that the uh Shiva? Right, He's the creator and
the destroyer in one character, right, right, And so that
you know, that's and that's just one example, but you
can look all across the board through all ancient you know, spiritualities,
and each one of their creator gods were also of

(28:49):
the dark. It was it was the balance of the
light and dark every single time, like almost just about
every single time.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
So going back to the sofia thing.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
In biblical and related text Sophia is all from referred
to as Lady Wisdom, as in their giving Wisdom itself
a gender as personification of divine wisdom, particularly prominent in
Proverbs and the Wisdom of Solomon, she is presented as
a divine feminine figure involved in creation and intimately connected

(29:18):
with God. While some interpretations view her as a separate entity,
others see her as an aspect or attribute of God
ultimately embodied in Jesus Christ. So the Book of Proverbs
eight personifies Wisdom Sophia as a woman who was present
with God at creation and actively participate in the process,
as is Proverbs eight twenty two through thirty one.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
The Wisdom of Solomon.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
The book further explores the nature of Sophia, highlighting her
role as a guide, teacher and source of understanding.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
That's in the Wisdom of Solomon both seven and nine.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
Now this is where it gets a little interesting for
me personally, right, because if I'm not mistaken, So you
know how in the English language, things don't have a
gender assigned to them.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
In a lot of the Romance languages, i e.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Latin, I think, Greek, Italian, Spanish, French, Portuguese, things have
a gender assigned to them, right, So like just an
inanimate object, you would put the like in French you
would say versus un if it was a masculine or
feminine for a chair, a table, a car, whatever the

(30:26):
case is, things are assigned a gender. So in the
Hebrew word Chukma is often translated as Sophia in Greek.
So and I don't know this for a fact, But
I'm wondering if the Greek language also has genders that
are associated with certain words. And I'm wondering if the
Hebrew word for wisdom in Hebrew, which doesn't have genders

(30:47):
associated with it, when translated to Greek, was put into
the feminine word of wisdom, which would make sense because
Athena was the goddess of wisdom. So the term sophia
in Greek just meaning wisdom, but now we use it
as a feminine term all the way through now to
where it's a feminine name. So I don't know if
it is a instantaneous feminine thing in the original source

(31:10):
material of the original scripture, or if that is something
that happened later with a Hebrew to Greek translation, and
then when that Greek went to Latin and English and
everything else, they kept the feminine form associated with it.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
I don't know it off top, but that would make sense.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
I went back and read Proverbs eight. I read through
the Hebrew of okay, and it was described from what
I can remember, it was describing wisdom as there was
a female.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Okay, you read Hebrew what I know, but I was
translating name.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Okay, dude, I got to learn how to one day.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
That's on my list.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Yeah, but no, I mean, from what I can tell, man,
that that was whatever.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
They were talking about, it was a she, okay.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
So that would And I know that's tough for some
people out there, man, because it's like a lot of
people have been taught I guess they've been taught in
church or whatever that there was no female before Eve,
Like God created the first woman and that was the
first time that ever happened. But I mean suggest that
there was a female essence that predates Eve.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Oh for sure, God created humans on Day six. He
created Adam and Eve after the fact. Yeah, he created
them to be Stuarts in the garden. So there was
man and woman on earth predating Eve.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
You know what I question about that though, if there were,
if there were Day six people, how did he not
know that Adam wouldn't be lonely or would be lonely?
And why would he need to create a female out
of a part of a man if he had already
created female?

Speaker 4 (32:37):
So the thought process was Adam was put in a
absolute paradise, right, he did not want for anything, or
at least that was the intention. I mean, he got
to work, you know, naming all the plants, naming all
the animals. He was supposed to be the stewarts in
the garden, which was supposed to be God's dwelling place
on earth.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
But of course he did get lonely.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
I know of God necessarily, And we're getting straight up
into the hypothetical philosophical conversation here, right. I don't know
if God thought maybe he wouldn't need a partner for
companionship because he has so much work to do, like
who's got the time for that? Or if he thought
that if you put a person who is sinless and

(33:19):
blameless in a perfect paradise setting where everything is just happy, happy, joy, joy, NonStop,
he would never want a companion or a partner, right,
You don't miss what you never knew you didn't have
kind of thing. But as it goes, you know, he
went that route, now, which is some say that Lilith
was the first woman that was in the garden with him.

(33:40):
Some say that it was in fact Eve that was
the first woman in the garden with him. And that's
also depending on which religious dog. When you get down
with you know, goes where you go on that well, you.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Know, and I think too, that there's a high possibility
that this is Gadriel that the Book of Enoch talks
about was there in the garden tempting Eve, but says
there were others, and one of those others may have
definitely been Lilith. Now I don't think that she had
kids with Adam or any of that, but I think
that she may have been part of the deception. And

(34:12):
you know, others have come along and said Elvis Leeve,
I believe that as well, that Eve was there in
the garden to see what she was. She had a
hand in deceiving Eve. So that means that if any
of that's true, that means that Lilith herself also predates,
probably predates the first woman.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Well, Lilith couldn't have kids with Adam because that was
the whole and that's a that's like a Jewish folk
lore at that point almost. But the theory goes that
Lilith was created to be Adam's partner, but she was
created out of the dust the same as Adam, so
she was to be his equal, or at least.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
That's how she saw it.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
And Adam wanted to sling that dick one of these
days and Lilith said, no, I'm not getting under you because.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
I'm your equal.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
And so she's clearly demonically inspired. So that's why God
took the rib of Adam to make eve. Christians that
I know of do not get down with that. But
she is referenced by name in scripture. But we should
also mention so is the Book of Enoch, even though
it was not included in the final interpretations of the Bible,
because they saw that also in the realm of borderline

(35:22):
folklore ish right, So this is what I'm.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
Saying, you know, there to look at the whole picture.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
There's another there's another way of looking at that too.
So like this goes back a long way. Some people
believe that, you know, the the reason why God created
everything was because he was lonely. He was by himself, right,
like there was nobody to share anything with. He was
just one being and that's all he was. Maybe that's
you know, what inspired his big bang, if that truly

(35:48):
is what you know, created everything, right, And so it's
interesting how you say that, you know, he put Adam
in the garden of Eden by himself and was just
Adam was just you know, expected to have everything, be happy,
and almost be God's little pet if you really think
about it. But I think that God learned a little
something because he probably was like, wait a second, I'm

(36:11):
out here lonely. Let me see if it's just me.
Let me just create this shit right here and put
Adam in the best possible scenario. I mean, I'm gonna
give him everything that he could possibly ever imagine, and
he's just gonna live happy. And then even Adam was like, yo,
I need me a little peace. I need something to
keep me entertained. God alone is not enough to entertain me. Right,

(36:32):
So then God just like, hey, Adam, let me take
one of your ribs. I'm gonna create you, you know,
an opposite and that would keep you company. I think
that it all goes back to like the idea of
like God being lonely, because if you think about it, like,
before God created anything, does anybody ever think about that?
Like not? I know that God couldn't have come from

(36:53):
somewhere because He's always existed and all that kind of stuff, right,
But eventually, like at some point in time, God didn't
create anything, Right, there had to have been that point
where God hadn't created anything yet. What do you think
he was thinking or feeling in that moment.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Who could do? Who could say?

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Who knows? And who knows how far back some of
these other entities go. You know, if we look at
the Bible talks about the divine council, right, and I
would suggest that they were male and female. And I
would say, I extrapolate that from places in a Bible
like Proverbs, where it talks about a female being there
witnessing God create the earth and singing with the angels.

(37:32):
So there was a divine counsel who were in our
terms male and female, right. Who knows what they consider
themselves up their engenders, How all that works, who knows.
But I would suggest too that God created Adam because
of a rebellion within the yellow him, within that divine council. Yea,

(37:54):
there were people who who rebelled, And I would I
think that from what I've gathered just by reading about
all that, God was like, I can't trust these rebellious
angels some with things now, so I have to create
a man to do it. I'm creating something new because
the other thing's rebelled.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Only to write it into the script that we would
eventually rebel to.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Well, that's how free will works.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
But free will, I mean, he's the Alpha and the omega.
How could there be free will if you're the beginning
in the end, you already know the story.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Because and I just had this conversation, literally.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Yes, what if he blocks himself from knowing the whole story?

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I mean, he's he sees all, he is, all he's
been in every single time. Right, there's never a place
that God isn't And so if you know, if if
you're that way, then you already know the answer to
every single question.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
But I would so I'm of the belief that angels
also have free will, right, otherwise the rebellion would have
never happened. A lot of Christians had this belief that
angels are mindless, drone like worker bees that do exactly
as their toll without question at all. And okay, there
you could say that, But then how did a third
of the heavenly host rebel against him if there was

(39:11):
no free will?

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Right?

Speaker 4 (39:13):
I think that all of creation, including the spiritual ethereal beings,
have free will. And here's why, Okay, because I do
believe that God is all love. I one hundred percent
believe that including Old Testament God. He might have shown
it in different ways at that time, but I do
believe that He is all love. That being said, you

(39:33):
cannot be you can't have followers that follow you because
they're ordered too, and they just have no thought processes
of their own, and they love you for it. You
have to choose to follow the orders. You have to
choose to follow your leader. And I believe that they
choose to follow him the same way that we are
called to choose to follow him out of love. Otherwise

(39:55):
it's not love. You have to You ever heard the
expression like, if you love something, let it go and
if it comes back to you, then it's real.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
That's not just a human construct. Right.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
If you give your spouse the freedom to do whatever
the hell they're going to do, whatever it is, and
they choose to stay with you and be loyal and
faithful to you, and have a family with you and
all these things, that is real love. These arranged marriages
that you have where this person had no choice in
the matter whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
That if they follow you, there will always.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Be that crumb of resentment, right, And I don't think
that that is something that God wanted for anybody. So
I believe that he gave humanity free will, he gave
the angelic host free will.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
And I believe that they follow him out of love
and devotion to him. That's just my own two cents,
I get it.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Got a passage here, pulled up Genesis fourteen to five,
and I'm kind of shifting this a little bit. I
want to go back to something we talked about a
minute ago with who is this loose for character? Right?
So this this chapter is called it's dealing with the
Battle of Kings, and it says in the fourteenth year,

(41:08):
ked oh Man, this is a good one. Ked Or
Lamar and the kings allied with him went out and
defeated the Rapits in Astrooth Carnium. That ked Lamir is Nimrod.
I'll just call him that because it's easier. So Nimrod
goes in with his allies and they defeat the Raphites

(41:31):
in this place called Astarith right Astrath Kername Astrath Kerning
means Astrath of the two horns. Uh Asti is the
goddess also known as this jar right. And in this
case it's a city named after Ishtar, where they worshiped
Ishtar of the two horns associa with Venus, like I

(41:54):
said before, right, So I would suggest that they were
worshiping this entity talked about in Isaiah fourteen that everyone
thinks is Luciferiat. It's female. And I would suggest that
these Nephilo, these rapies and Nimrod their religion if we
even if we go back historically, we know that their

(42:15):
religion was based around a cult of Ishtar. That's clear
from their temples and their ancient writings and the priestesses
and the prostitutes of the Temple of Vishtar. We find
all that there's relics in history. So, uh, you know
what I'm saying here, I guess is that the modern
church is sleeping on god Is worship. And it's just

(42:35):
like everything else we talk about in this in this world,
like us people like us, cryptids, people are modern people
are sleeping on the fact that there's cryptids at Bigfoot
and everything else. I think the same goes for Godess worship.
This is just something that has been forgotten and now
it's deemed as too weird to be talked about from

(42:55):
a poolpit. Most pastors don't get taught this ince seminary.
And I think if we could turn back time and
go back and reteach our pastors. I would like to
see some distinction being made with these entities. Who is who?
Why are we making Why are conflating Lucifer, Satan and
the Devil every Sunday morning and making that one one

(43:18):
evil bad guy who the part of that might not
even exist.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Like because has a trinity to bad enties.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
But like what if this is just a group of
bad boys essentially that that rebelled.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
There's something to this as well, like, for instance, the
term Antichrist, Right, we are waiting on the Antichrist to
come around right now to bring on the end times,
even though multiple times in the Bible somebody is called
out as an Antichrist, meaning that there is more than
one person that might be imbued with the spirit of

(43:53):
said Antichrist, right, And I think there's a lot to that, Right,
There's there's more of a plurality to certain things than
what a lot of people are really comfortable talking about.
And to that other point, you know the Temple prostitutes
that was known about only by a certain select group
of academia that were even studying that region of the

(44:14):
world in that time period.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
That wasn't just a niche thing.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
And yes, it did happen in the Temple of Ishtar
one hundred percent, but it also happened in Mike and
Aa Greece.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
It also happened in certain places in Rome. Like throughout
the centuries, temple prostitutes were a big thing, and a
lot of people are like, well, what do you mean
temple prostitutes? Wait, like, I mean, like, you know how
some people would go to a church and maybe pay
a tithe or something like that.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
This was a form of paying your tithe. You would
have to pay a certain amount of money to sleep
with one of the underlings of the priestess.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
They were always women.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
They were like most of the time forcibly removed from
their homes to become temple prostitutes, and or they were
trying to ascend the ranks of that secret mystery cult
of that deity in some way, shape or form, and
they had to like put in their time as one
of the temple prostitutes. And they were essentially using sex

(45:10):
magic to alleviate themselves of whatever crimes they had committed
against the deity or whatever the case was, or to
gain a blessing for their crops or for their harvest.
So like temple prostitutes being used in such an esoteric way,
especially by the mystery cults, that's not something that a

(45:31):
lot of people knew about, and a lot of pastors
don't feel comfortable talking about how prevalent temple prostitution was
for how many millennia.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Sure, and you know too, I mean, it's not just Ishtar,
but I acknowledged that there are other goddesses out there,
by the way, who were worship in different parts of
the world. But some of those I would suggest that
some of those goddesses originally were ishtar. And as people
it tries with people migrated, they brought ishtar with that

(46:00):
with them, and the names change over time. But in
my opinion, Ishtar gave way to Mithrus, which gave way
to the Queen of Heaven, which now you see worshiped
by the Catholics where they have Mary adorned with ishtar symbolism.
Why is that, Well, maybe it's because it was the
Queen of Heaven before it became Mary, you know. And

(46:21):
I don't want to step on toes with that, so
I'll move on a like. But but but to acknowledge
something you're saying there about this temple prostitution. Yes, and
they were used for rituals too, Like the temple prostitutes
were definitely, uh heavily involved with rights and rituals used
for the purposes of spiritual technology. Essentially, they they wanted,

(46:45):
they wanted something, they wanted to interact with the gods,
and oftentimes they wanted to appease or they were wanting
to bring good fortune their way or good crops or whatever.
But what they would do was in some of the
Temple of Ishtar, they were obsessed with the solstices and
with Easter, right, and Easter, by the way, is Ostara

(47:08):
the Nordic and that's probably Ishtar. So but you have
all these ancient sites that line up with the solstices, right,
some of those sites are also they were a mecca
for the Temple of Ishtar because what they would do
is it's nine months between spring equinox and winter solsue,
so they would impregnate the temple prostitutes on Easter. Nine

(47:32):
months later, they would sacrifice the newborn on the winter solstice.
So the red Easter egg is symbolic of child sacrifice.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
And a lot of these counterparts to Ishtar, I just
looked it up here. So inana or Ishtar, however you
want to pronounce it. Samerian in nature, right, Mesopotamian goddess.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Of love and war.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
But in the Akkadians, the Assyrians, and the Babylonians, they
all worshiped her in some way, shape or But then
we also have some syncretisms in other cultures. For instance,
a Starte, which was a Canaanite in Phoenician goddess. It
was basically Ishtar by another name, Aphrodite in Greek, same
deity by another name, Venus in Rome, same deity by

(48:18):
a different name. We just basically covered in the sentences.
I just said three thousand years, like give or take
three thousand years of culture and history, that we're all
doing these types of worships with the prostitutes and the
child sacrifice and the mystery cults and all these things
in one select region of the world, talking about the

(48:40):
exact same deity, same attribute, same story, arc, same birth story,
all the things.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
That's that's not a coincidence.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Yeah, And one more thing, I gotta throw this in.
I've got this book. It's called the Book of Hiram. Yeah,
and it talks about some of these sites over in
northern Ireland that are aligned to the solstices and what
was happening there. They found that these babies were being
sacrificed to the cycle of Venus four thousand BC, So

(49:12):
they think about that for a timeline four thousand, six
thousand years ago at this point. But this is attributed
to Lucifer. But clearly it's a temple to a female goddess.
So it's like, we might need to reevaluate what we
think about this Lucifer character. It might be somebody else entire.

(49:37):
It might be Gadriel. Sometimes it might be Ishtar other times.
You know, there's a couple others, you know, Semyaza Isaiae
l there's a couple other guys that might be in
this meal. You it's just causing chaos down here. And
meanwhile everybody thinks, oh, it's just the devil, It's just Lucifer.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, And we're talking about in Ireland.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
That was the Druids operating in that area, which was
like the religious and political and medicine figures of I
mean pretty much the most portion of Northern Europe for
the longest time, and I mean hell, Ireland was the
last real stronghold of Druidism.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I mean, that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
The Romans, they actually aggressively sought out and killed all
of the Druids they could find.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
At first.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
It was with the Gauls, right, and these other tribes
of the north that they were fighting and conquering. That
is one of the only religions on Earth that we
know about that was wiped out genocidally, so much so
that we have no idea what the Druids actually did
and didn't believe, or what they actually did or didn't practice.
We know very third party information because the Romans wrote

(50:43):
down certain things about the Druids, but we have no
idea what deities they were worshiping.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Too.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
It's very possible that it was to Venus, or their
version of Venus. I should say it was probably called
by a different name, but something to that regard Jacob.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
You know two, there's that guy named or not God,
but there's the visual named the Assyrian who was a
seraphim and you know, some sort of a male entity. Right.
It seems like they all got Maybe this is just
a working theory, but it seems like they got amalcamated
into Wusfer, but the Assyrian man founded. He was said

(51:16):
to have founded the cities of Babylon and Nineveh. Yeah,
so there's another one out there running around who's got
that Satan job title like thing going on.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
And Hiram is also a very important figure in this
conversation because for those of you that don't know, the
Freemasons worship Hiram Abiff as basically the Grand Architect, or
at least that's the name associated with them. And Jonathan,
you'll get a kick out of this. When Hiram died, right,
and there's the whole murder thing that happened, right, that's

(51:48):
why they do a mock funeral and you get reborn
as a Freemason brother and all of these things.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Do you know what.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Plant they planted on top of the funerary side of
Hiram and a case tree.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Hmmm, a little uh, a little dm tizzle.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
And this is the earliest form of the secret Brotherhood
of the Freemasons of all of this.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
And this is something that we've been talking about a
little bit lately too, and in ways that they would be
able to communicate with the other side, right, like, so, uh,
whether it be by blood letting or by uh, psychedelics
of some sort, or it could have been you know,
some kind of whatever would send you into some kind

(52:34):
of trance state that would allow you to be able
to see, for lack of a better term, beyond the veil.
And I think that it's so fascinating, dude, because that's
the there's this uh, there's this comedian. I posted this
on Meta like a couple of months ago, and there's
this comedian and he goes, I've been to church thousands

(52:54):
of times. I've done mushrooms maybe thirty. He goes, which
one do you think think I talked to God the most?
Like it makes the most sense really, anybody who's ever
done mushrooms. I'm not saying that you're talking to God,
but you definitely feel closer to whatever that could be
in a way.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
You know that that kind of gets into like the
ground and like the earth itself, like and like curses
attributed to the earth, and like you know, the natives
using the earth and all that, like psychedelics, right, and
like this is something I kind of wanted to get
into with you guys. I'll wait till he comes back,

(53:34):
but I'll just say this, like if you look at
like West Virginia and Ohio. That's like the Hope Well
and Adena tribes. Right, they were using psychedelics and apparently
opening up gateways.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Oh. Absolutely. Have you seen the Hope Well site, the
earthen mounds that are there. Yeah, dude.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
The sacred geometry that was used in the construction of
these earthen mounds. And I don't mean sacred geometry like
the Thagrian theorem.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
I mean true alignments to celestial bodies.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
And they did it perfectly to an octagon that was
an earthen mound. And it's understood that around like I
don't know, fuck it, anywhere between twelve to thirty tribes
would come from all over the surrounding regions, completely different
language groups would come to the Hope Well site to
perform their rituals at least once a year.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I'm with you one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Yeah, man, So, so I want Jonathan, I wanted to
touch on something with you guys.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Sorry, I had to. I had to change cameras. That's
we were talking a little bit before the show about
like what cameras do we use, and we're like, oh,
you know, we just use like our iPhone camera. With
continuity camera. Problem with that is that you need your
damn you need a charger for your phone to keep
the camera going.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
And my chargered up as we speak, and my charger just.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
It just went out. It's not working. I'm like, of
course right now it does. So yeah, you getting even.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
It happens because you guys hit. You guys hit. This
this major segue for me because you brought up the
acacia trees and like the natural the psychedelics of it all,
and I was like, I wanted to get into this
some with you guys because I know that you did this.
You did show I heard you guys do on Occult
Rejects where you're talking about haunted ground. I'll have to

(55:14):
try to remember what it was called.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Oh, Dudleytown, Dudleytown.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
So but what I'm saying is like with the psychedelics
is like you have the Adena Hopewell tribes and they
were apparently opening up gateways using psychedelics, right, opening portals
in the land, and then the Oculoches come in later
and start studying the native groups. You've got Kenneth Grant.
He said they were opening up like portals to the

(55:38):
night side of life. He had all this romantic terminology
for it, but it basically it's this whole idea that
the Adena had created a window area basically in that
West Virginia, Ohio Valley Grander, Ohio Valley area. So I
think there's there's something to be like looked at here,
right with the cursing of the ground itself, like did

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did did the Shamans change the nature of the earth
itself for long long periods of time?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
You know?

Speaker 3 (56:08):
And how we get these doubly town Mothman point pleasant
like cursed areas.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
I think you're always gonna have people who who are
like the black sheep, you know what I mean, like
of every group, and I think that, you know, there's
probably a lot of really good Indian Native Americans, right,
but there was probably some shitheads. And those shitheads were like,
I'm tired of not being chief. I'll be god damned
if I'm just an Indian to this bitch ass chief, right,

(56:35):
And they were like, let me fucking show him. You know,
I'm gonna go open up the dark side.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
And if I got to do guarady no black magic,
it's right there.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
It's like, oh, it's accessible, right right, And and you know,
every every single you know, religion or whatever would I'm
sure they had they always had like their their light
and their dark right and so and that's the same thing.
Like even within Christianity, you'll get people saying that they're
like they believe in Satan right, like these Satanists and

(57:04):
stuff like that. It's like, in order to be a Satanist,
you have to believe also at the same time that
Jesus and God and the entire rest of the story
is also true. So now you're just being somebody who's
i mean an advert you're being adversarial to the people
that are for the light right at that point. And
so I think that there's always gonna be some kind
of balance like that, There's always going to be somebody

(57:25):
that wants to play around in the dark side. And
maybe that's how we do get skin walkers and cryptids,
and you know, whether whether they are real beings or
they're kind of just like somehow glimpses beyond the veil
because some kind of fabric within space time was opened
up because you just so happened to drum at a

(57:46):
certain frequency and you hummed at a certain frequency, and
you took enough psychedelics and bam, somehow there's an imprint
into the real world. I don't know exactly how it works.
I'm just hypothesizing over here, but I think that's your possibility.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Used a term in that episode.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
I think you said spiritual withdrawal of the land. Y, yes,
and so I think that there's something to that as well.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Right, So, to put it to a Christian terminology, we
have something called hallowed ground, right or blessed ground. Now,
a lot of people would say that the foundation that
a church is built upon is considered hallowed ground, or
if a cemetery is considered hallowed ground, it's considered holy earth.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Right.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Now, let's talk about that flip opposite inverse. Like you're
talking about with the Native American tribes, there is a
going storyline for a lot of not all of them,
but a lot of Native American tribes where even if
they were going to make war on an enemy tribe,
they were very careful not to kill or not to
spill enough blood onto the ground because they truly believe that.

(58:51):
Let's say we have a big battle, right, and I
don't know what the numbers fielded on a certain battle
would look like circa two thousand BC between this tribe
in this tribe in what we would now call Arizona. Like,
I got no idea if like five hundreds of big force,
or is fifty thousand a big force? I got no idea.
But the theory was that if you spill too much

(59:13):
blood onto the earth, that area of the earth will
then have a thirst for it. It becomes a place
of death and mourning in a lot of counts evil. Right,
So that's why you had tribes that would do something
called counting coup.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Right.

Speaker 4 (59:29):
They would carry a stick that had like it was
a big curve stick, it had feathers on and all this,
and you would go into a battle and you would
touch an enemy combatant with it without killing them, And
that was seen as more of an insult to them,
Like I could have killed you, but I didn't. I
just took your your mana. I just took your your
warrior prowess. You literally let me come up and hit

(59:51):
you with a stick. Imagine if that was a tomahawk. Dude,
You're lucky that I am the better warrior. And it
was more of a status thing for them, and a
lot of tribes started doing that as a way to
prevent bloodshed, physical bloodshed entering the soil because they believe
that the ground would be what we might call cursed well.
So I think that as much as we have hallowed ground,

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there is also something to be said for cursed ground
as well well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
And they had their ways of being able to curse
grounds if there was land taken from them, Like for example,
like let's say they had this plot of land, right
and they're like, look, if we ain't going to have this,
nobody's gonna have this, and we're going to put on
a curse or some kind of spell or something like that.

(01:00:36):
That way, if anybody comes close to this property, this
piece of land, it's going like if they even think
about encroaching on this land, you're going to be haunted
every day for the rest of your life. Like, don't
even think about it. And that was the funny part
about Dudley Town is that it was nothing lived like
no birds, no bees, no people. Nobody was allowed to

(01:00:58):
go there. It's government owned and if you go on
the property, the police will fucking come and get you.
They always have some kind of security always on the
grounds and everything. And it makes you wonder, And I
think that it's it's right in the realm of like
all the cryptid stuff and all the haunted stuff and
things like that. I think that the world wants you
to believe that there is there's animals, and there's people,

(01:01:21):
and there ain't nothing else. And I think that that's
how they keep their grasp on you. Because if we
knew for a fact that there were bigfoot bodies, that
there were I mean, name your mythological creature, whatever could
be real. If there were skin walkers, bro and we
and that was a confirmed thing that everybody was worried about. Well,
now now we got something else to be fearful of

(01:01:42):
other than our government. And our government don't need that,
you know what I'm saying. I think that that they
want all the control, and you control through fear. You
got to be the scariest motherfucker out there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
It's I call it the unicorn effect. Historians would rather
fight to the death than just tell us the unicorns existed. Yeah,
they think that nothing remotely mythical or magical can't exist,
and if it does, we can't know about it. That
seems to be the attitude, Right, who cares if they existed? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
And you know, and this is what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Like I just I just saw an article yesterday about
this guy who found a unicorn skull out in Cornwall,
near near a waterfall, near an old Arthurian castle where
if you look at the Arthurian myths, they some of
their books survived and they're they're standing there hanging out
with their unicorn.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Right, I'm gonna say it before, Jacob, it was a rhino.
It was a rhino.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
No, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
As far as the Authorian legend goes, if you look
at the Seal of England on one side as a
lion and on one side as a unicorn, like the
mythical creature unicorn, the unicorn is actually the national animal
of Scotland. I should mention that too, so like there's
there is that kind of precedence to it. But to
your point, yes, like biblically speaking, when they talk about
the unicorns being used for war, they were talking about

(01:02:58):
a rhino for a leg creature with one horn sticking
out of its head. But that's not the that's not
the authority and legend that we're talking about here.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
But oh yeah, so the arthuri and stuff that I
was looking at, was like they were pictured. It looked
like King Arthur himself was pictured with a unicorn and
the unicorn was dying from like a wound or whatever.
But this is twenty twenty five. This guy found a skull.
I just pulled it up. It's called unicorn skull discovered
at Saint Nectin's Glen near Tintagle. Tin Tagle is like

(01:03:30):
a castle and it's barely even there. It's just ruins, right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
But there's three different articles. I've been following the story
about this, and I've watched how the media does what
the media does. And this is the third article that
I've seen, right, and I just pulled this one up.
And in this one they're saying, oh, it's definitely a hoax.
They're saying that, but let me see if I can

(01:03:54):
read this. So this guy named John Goodwin and his family,
he's a Canadian, were staying at ten Taggle. They were
walking through an area, a waterfall area, and there's the
picture of it right there. Halfway through a walk their walk,
they found this. They spotted something sticking out of a

(01:04:17):
mossy bank. John said he thought it was a route,
but when he pulled it free, it turned out to
be a skull with a horn growing straight out of
the middle. Now, what they go on to do in
this article is they say it's a real bone. It's
heavy and it looks really old, but a crafty prankster
fused it onto the skull of like a horse. But

(01:04:39):
look in this picture, guys, you can see where the
skull itself rises up to meet the horn. How do
you fake that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Oh yeah, yeah, at the base. It looks like it's
coming up already.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
How do you fake that? You can't. They're trying to
make it sound like somebody just stuck a horn on
a horse skull. Oh my god, dude, there's a couple
of articles about this thing. This is okay. This is
the guy that found it. He said, I imagine that
some people think the story isn't true, but I assure
you it's true. It was definitely there. We found it

(01:05:14):
on the trail under the MASSI embankment. Whether it's a
genuine unicorn, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Yeah, that's what I found right here. It's this is
on cornwall Live dot com. But it said, however, the
museum deemed it, so I guess he took it to
a museum or somebody took it to a museum, and
the museum deemed it not to be a magical item
and instead labeled it a freak animal. So John instead
took the skull to Stonehenge in Pub Salis in Salisbury,

(01:05:43):
where he said that he traded it with pub staff
in return for unlimited ale.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I mean, I love it. I mean, what else are
you gonna do with it?

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
You know, Daily Mail has an article about this too,
and I think that one that you just read. What
that sort of turns into is basically I think the
government came in and said because you know, I mean,
look at this, that's how these media outlets do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
They come in.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
They do the government's bidding. So even if this my
point is, even if this was was real, that they
wouldn't let us know. And I think it might be real,
but if it was for sure real, I don't think
they would they would let us know. That, right, that's
the unicorn effect. Yeah, they do with bigfoot giants and
everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
And not to get all Harry Potter inp on here,
but weren't they like they were like killing unicorns for
their blood or something like that, And Harry Potter right,
like because it had some kind of magical essence to it,
And so what if what if actual unicorns did have
some kind of magical essence that they were trying to
pull from? And that's why we just got these bullshit
animals running around. We don't have any more majestic ones.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
So Voldemort, whenever he was trying to heal himself, and
he was like trying to increase his evil killing corn
and drank its blood, and that was like seen as
like one of the gravest sins ever, Like you have
to be pure evil to kill a unicorn, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
I gotta I got something here in one of my books.
This is an old article. It's to do with this
guy named a German friar named father Bernard Middendorf. This
guy founded the city of Tucson, Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Okay, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
So this is an article about him in that area,
and it goes one of the local Native Americans, who
had been properly christianized from his wicked heathen ways by
the good Padre, invited him along on a peculiar trek
to inspect the odd contents of a certain cave in

(01:07:50):
which it was alleged lay monstrous bodies of human form
and much riches. So I wanna read this whole thing.
But what happens here that Jesus, But it goes off
with the Native American. They find the cave, They go
into the cave, and he documents the whole thing. He
reports back. That's how we have this account. He purports

(01:08:13):
back to like Jesuit headquarters, Like he tells his superiors
about this whole thing. I don't know if it was like, oh,
the guy's in the office are going to kick out
of this, or if it was like his duty.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
But he documents the whole thing. And what he did
was he found giants in there, and they found a
couple of sarcophagus in there, and he opened one of them,
and he says he reached into the sarcophagus because he
could see that there was stuff lining the body. He
reached in, grabs something hard and metallic, pulled it up

(01:08:45):
and it was actually a handmaid. It looked like a
marble unicorn.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
What was this guy's name, he said, Bernard?

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
What now, very well crafted unicorn. His name is father,
Bernard Midden Doors.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Got you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
I looked him up, and sure enough, he's the guy
who founded Tucson, Arizona. But basically there's I'm just using
this as an example, fellas, I found other accounts like
this where there were unicorns buried with giants. Now this
is not a real unicorn, it's a little model of one.

(01:09:22):
But what's that about? And he even goes on further
in his description of this cave. He says, upon seeing
that it was a unicorn, he threw it against the
wall and broke it because he believed them to be evil.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
How could you ever look at a unicorn and think evil?
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Have these people?

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Did these people never watch my little pony?

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Come on, bro, They're literally in the Bible. Why would
a priest say that this was clear?

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
And in one it makes me wonder though, because you're
saying that it was kind of like a figurine, right, Tim, Yes?
And so typically those figurines were always used for symbolic things, right.
Maybe you had it on your altar, or maybe you
used it in magic. Maybe it was a kid's play toy,
could have been any one of those kind of things.
But typically those things they hold symbolic value. So whether

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it was representative of a time when somebody saw a unicorn,
or it was just strictly symbolic. If you're like, for
the people that are practicing in the occult and stuff
like that, that's how they do that. They take these
totems or these these little figurines or whatever, and they
literally believe that if they put themselves into a deep

(01:10:35):
enough trans state, that they can communicate with these things.
And essentially all they're doing is they're just communicating with
the symbolism of whatever that is all encompassed. You know,
like we always talk about like the golden arch, the
golden arches of McDonald's. You can look at that and
you can think of twenty different items on the menu

(01:10:55):
just by looking at that symbol, right, And that's essentially
what like figure reens and totems and shit like that
people would use within magic and witchcraft, and I'm sure
a lot of peg and stuff, right, And so that
they would put themselves into a trans state and then
they would literally try and connect with whatever that symbolism
fully encompassed. So, for example, if you were to use

(01:11:16):
that that you know, unicorn figurine, and you were to
try and go to that trans state and connect with
that energy of whatever that symbol fully encompassed. The unicorn
represents purity, innocence, grace, and magic. So I would feel
like that's probably, you know, a good little totem that
you would use for trans work like that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Yeah, And I think I'll take it a step further.
I think perhaps for these people this this because I've
been studying this, right, I've been studying a couple of cults.
I've been studying ancient cults. I've been studying the cult
of Ishtar obviously, the cult of cos that's for another day.
And I've been studying the cult of the Rafa the giants,

(01:11:56):
and they were Nephelum, right, Yeah, were to believe the
Book of Being of the Bible. Well, they had their
nefhl and belief system. It was it was like they
had their own way of doing metaphysical things and they
worshiped not only like they actually worshiped Ishtar as well,
but they also had something going on where they had

(01:12:16):
like ancestor veneration where they would if you look at
the Canaanite Temple of l that's what they were doing there.
One of the things they were doing there was these
the rathi Aim were also Canaanites. They'd go to the
Temple of l and they would contact some and channel
their ancestors, who were the spirits of dead giants, dead nephyling,

(01:12:37):
and their ancestors would help guide them in things in life, right,
similar to what the Etruscans did. They they would they
would channel on a daily basis for daily medial things
like do I do I get eggs today? Or or
a chicken? You know, that's that's probably not what they did,
but you get the point, Like little things like that,

(01:12:57):
that's how much of the channeling was ingrained into their
daily life. Well, this is these guys were going to
their ancestors and it was a raphigene cult. But there's
more to it. But like that's what I'm thinking, Like,
what if these giants that made it over here were
brought their ways with them and this was a way

(01:13:18):
for them to reconnect with their beliefs. Was these figurines? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
It could be.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Unicorn because Gary Wayne has said that, I'm pretty sure
I've heard him say that the unicorn were associated.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
With an f onm oh. Well, that would make sense,
you know, from that perspective, because now you're talking about
a higher power being embodied into an animal, which that's
what a unicorn would be, right, I mean, Or it's
like you said, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Like symbolic of a big, a more broad set of beliefs.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Well, what's interesting too is, you know, so I've been
looking into angels, archangels and stuff like that, really trying
to get a better understanding of what they represent and
what they are and stuff like that. And I and
I what I found to be quite peculiar is that
just about every angel's name ends with L E L,
right and right which L and I have it pulled

(01:14:20):
up right here. L E L is a Hebrew word
that means God, little g or it can also mean
of God. And so that's whenever you look into archangel
names like Michael and Gabriel and Uriel and Rafael and
even Azazel, they're all l's which means little, little g
God or just of God. And so I think that

(01:14:40):
that's pretty interesting whenever you talk about like could I mean,
these were not not all of them, but Azazel was
probably one of the fallen, Right, That's that's literally what
his name means is fallen. And so could that angel
have come down and could that have been you know,
where you have the whole uh angels mating with animals

(01:15:00):
and women and all that kind of shit. He was
probably want to be a part of that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
Is Sezel is mentioned as being a part of that
group that came down to Mount Hermond. He's mentioned by
name along with Snianza.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Now, the L moniker is also important for the term
eloheen right, which some people think is God's true name.
Others believe that that is a moniker for the divine
just in general things of that nature. Elohem could be
referring to the plural sense, meaning like the entirety of
the heavenly host or.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
That's probably all encompassing, I would think.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
But right, so that Hebrew for L right there is
important because there is a thought process to say that
Satan at one time had the L moniker, but since
he led the rebellion, he actually dropped that L in
his name. Oh, which is why nowhere in the Bible
is the devil referred to as anything other than the

(01:15:56):
devil Satan or Lucifer. And like, yes, I agree with you,
Tim that we could be talking about three different endies
with that one hundred percent, But we never hear a
mention of him having the L moniker ever again. Right,
the other the other demons that fell with them or
the other fallen, I should say they kept their L
monikers on their name because they were of God. They

(01:16:16):
were of that spirit at one point in time, They
were of the angelic realm at one point in time
when they fell, and that you know, b l Zebub, right,
all these things they have, this moniker. There is a
thought to say that the leader of the party, if
you will, lost that because that was the punishment.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Oh well, hold on, his name is mentioned in the
Bible before before that fallen moniker. And so and Tim
you I think you mentioned it earlier. It was hellll right,
like that's literally Lucifer. It's that's the Hebrew name for
that is hellel. Yeah, so there's the L rate there, baby,

(01:16:59):
holy shit.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Yeah, that that hill Eale shows up in many different places.
But even even in Tel the word t e l
like like you see you look with Tel Aviv. So
there's a lot of cities over there that begin with Tel.
And I looked it up and it seems to mean
mound or heal, but but mound for sure. And I

(01:17:22):
looked at some of these other locations that start with
Tell Tell the Chiefs was one, and then there was
a couple others, and they all had Canaanite temples at
the at the top of the hill. That's what the
Bible talked about, is the high places these guys were.
They always built their temples or put their dolmens or
their their pole sacred poles. They always put those on

(01:17:44):
top of a high place. It's like the elevation had
something to do with whatever they're trying to do magically.
But that's where you see these Canaanite temples and all
that stuff like. And it's got the l in it though, right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
Right there in the tie, which is pretty also important
for the whole When they make mentions of like, oh,
you evil ones that fell from your high places, right,
this is one of what I believe is one of
those double entendres.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Did they mean when they fell from heavenly realms?

Speaker 4 (01:18:14):
Yes, I believe that, But also when you when your
temples fell from the high places on earth where they
were physically built. I feel like they're saying two things
at the exact same time, both equally true.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Uh yeah, I mean, there's there's obviously symbolically, like how
you can look at that like you know, falling from grace,
maybe you have some kind of high power or something
like that, and then you succumb into the world or something,
you know. Like, I think there's multiple different ways of
looking at it just from the symbolism standpoint alone, because that's.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
All that matters a lot with those by the way,
just so we're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Sure, but there's always going to be built in symbolism
within context either way exactly exactly, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Either way, well, not way, but I think one of
the things that we see specifically over here in North
America today is a remnant of some sort of an
ancient cult. And I do think that they were Middle
Eastern or Semitic, but certainly Middle Eastern Mediterranean, And like
if you look at some of the things that were
found in the mounds, you know this had been a

(01:19:20):
This became a very magical place, if it wasn't already before,
because these people were, uh, they were pulling sorcerer mounds
out of the sorcerer wands out of the mounds, like
magic wands, shaman masks. I've got some pictures of shaman
masks pulled out of mounds. They were finding tablets with sigils,

(01:19:40):
you know, obsidian traditionally used for scrying. All that's in
our backyard, fellas, you know, all that stuff's being found
over here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Dude, Yeah, I think that, Dude, there's so much that's
covered up it's not even funny. Like I dude, I
honestly think that, like governments would crumble if we could
find out what's in the Vatican. Like that's an honest opinion.
I really think that, like if we found out the
hidden nature of ancient humanity and all of their ancient

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technology and what did they know and how did they rebel?
Because you know, they're never going to put the story
in the history books of the people rebelling against their government.
When has that ever turned out good? Right, Like the
only time that's ever really go ahead?

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Trump's doing with the Smithsonian.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Yeahs, say, next is the Smithsonian? Like I agree with
Jonathan on the Vatican, and also the Smithsonian's there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Yeah, No, the Vatican goes back way further than the Smithsonian.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
So one hundred percent with you that if we found
out everything that's within the walls of the the secret
archives of the Vatican. Oh yeah, entire civilizations might crumble
as a result.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
I think the Vatican makes the Library of Alexandria look
like a bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Agreed.

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
I fully agree with mostly because you know, the Library
is Andrew wasn't what everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:20:58):
Thinks it was when it was destroyed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:59):
But what ever teach there?

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
But the Smithsonian.

Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
Trump just ordered that the Smithsonian is about to go
under an audit, and basically they are going to remove
everything that is not aligned with what his interpretation of
history was.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Where is the Smithsonian at d I thought that was
in another country, bro, for some reason this whole time Smithsonian.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
No, that's in DC, big dog. And that's the thing.
So there's eight museums that are currently going through an.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Audit, and he's saying that it is being done to,
you know, for America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday that
we're gonna have next year. Right, They're gonna have a
lot of parades and a lot of things going on
in DC, and there's gonna be a lot of visitors
to d C. And he wants to make sure that
all these museums are not putting anti American sentiments in
on display, right, that's clearly what it is. So some

(01:21:51):
of the ones that I think are gonna be hit
pretty hard, like, for one, the Natural History Museum, I
feel like that's gonna have some things moved and possibly destroyed.
Who knows one of them. The Air and Space Museum,
I think they're pretty safe. I don't think there's anything
in there that goes against America or patriotism. The National

(01:22:12):
Museum of African Americans. I feel like that might get
a couple of things removed because they may not make
America look the best. The Museum of the Native Americans.
I think that one's about to get hit pretty hard.
To be honest, there's like there's eight of them, and
out of the eight, I see probably five of them
that are going to have some very drastic overhauls. And

(01:22:34):
I don't know this for a fact, but it would
also stand to reason that they would use this as
an opportunity. We've talked about this. In the early nineteen hundreds,
the Smithsonian was ordered to destroy thousands of giant skeletons,
thousands of them, and we can pull up the articles
showing that they were ordered to do this, and it's

(01:22:54):
all been verified in fact check to be correct, meaning
that they knew that there were giants that one time
we'ream the earth. They have found them in America, specifically
in North America, and then they had a massive cover
up to erase that bit of history.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Why the sky's the limit on the hypotheticals on that one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
But as of this moment, I feel like they have
probably uncovered a lot more things that are rewriting history.
For instance, Miami has a dig site that proves that
we had intelligent civilization. Now I mean intelligent like flying
craft in computers, but I mean a lot more than
stone carvings and shit. As far back as like fifteen

(01:23:34):
thousand years ago. There has been no precedent for that.
Some people say the earth is only six thousand years old,
and it's like, well, that's about to be rewritten if
those findings come to light and go on displaying a
museum somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
And that's just one. There are thousands of sites that
rewrite what we know about human history.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
A weird feeling that the Smithsonian is about to have
a lot of things just oopsie daisied right now.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Yeah, that's that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
Don't you think that that's because some of us are
being very vocal, specifically on podcasts about the whole giants
Smithsonian thing. Too many people know about this, Like, at
some point it's just a matter of time before people
demand to go into that vault and see what's in there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
I think, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
I think they didn't plan on the age of information
being as as widespread as it has become.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Yeah, are we to assume that every giant that ever
lived was an nephelom? Could there have ever been like
some good giants?

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Well, I don't know, depends on the on who you ask.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Honestly, I will say that there is not a single reference,
culturally speaking, in any tribe, in any country and any
region in the world ever in human history where giants
are referenced in a positive light.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
It does seem like the origin story for giants in
general is to do with either watchers in the system
Book of Enoch and Anochy from the Samarans, or star
people from the Native American tribes and all those There's
a singularity to all those myths, and it is that

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the star people came down and made it with the
people of Earth, and the offspring produced were giant in stature,
so that it does they all the myths do seem
to go back to some sort of a supernatural connection
point between man and the gods or and or man
and the little g gods.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
And there always seems to be contings between the giants
and the humans. There's always a war that takes place.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
Either the giants are oppressive and they steal their resources
and they they tear their town apart, or they try
to take over and become lords and kings over them
and they're very oppressive by nature. It's there's not in
my studies anytime where people are like, man, giants are awesome,
I'm glad they're here. It's always like, yo, we have
to get rid of these fucking giants.

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
I just I just hope that there was one good
one on at least, you know, one that like rebelled
and he was probably just thinking, like why do we
got to be so angry all the time, you know
what I'm saying, Like, I'm tired of this angry shit.
Can we just like hang out for a little bit,
maybe smoke a dube or something like, let's just relax.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
They all seem to be obsessed with their bloodlines too, like,
especially when you get into the kings, the priest kings
who had the NFL of DNA, like like you know,
like Asherbonopaul or Meimrod gilgamesh Uh. They seem to be upset,
even King tut They seem to be very obsessed with

(01:26:36):
their bloodline. And that's where this whole what do you
call it when you you sleep with like your sister
in incess. Yet, that's where the royals, I think, originally
got their nature for being incestuous. Was this was their
way of trying to preserve this bloodline because because.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
It was supernatural talking about that Merivingian blood line.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Yeah, all of them, man, they they wanted they wanted
it pure, because they wanted as much of the supernatural
juice as they could possibly derive. That, Sir, that Cristos.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
You know, I don't know if they were annointing oil. Yeah,
I don't know if they.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Were all considered nephil I don't know if they were
all under that specific term. Because there's you know, you've
got the refie aim and this aim and all these
others mentioned in the Bible and other text. So who knows.
I need to do a deep dib on why they're
called the in the first place. Are we.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
So as far as giants go, they're basically like just
huge versions of humans, right like just like maximize every
part on a human and then and that's what a
giant is.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
With the supernatural uh ancestors. So like if you look
at that word rafa, the root of rafa means to heal,
it almost regenerate, suggesting that they had they could come
back from from severe wounds and come back from the

(01:28:11):
dead even And that's they say, that's why David had
to literally cut Golias's head off, like he killed him
with a shot between the eyes, but he had to
go and cut his head off that way he couldn't
come back to life. And there's you know, even in
some of the stuff I've seen over here in North
America with some of the giants that were dug up

(01:28:32):
over here. There's one right outside of Indiana where they
found In the article, it says they found fifty priest
kings buried in this ancient cemetery and they were buried sitting.
They were buried in a sitting position facing the rising

(01:28:53):
of the sun, and they had weapons in their lab,
but they all had their left temple crust crushed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Oh That's interesting as.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
If somebody, even their own perhaps wanted to make sure
they stay dead. Wow, they could they come? Could they
really come back to life because of their healing powers?

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
So I just looked up the etymology of nephilim or nephilem.

Speaker 4 (01:29:19):
However you want to say, And I also want to
give the distinction that as we talked about the moniker
of l and how important that is, EM is also
equally important, for instance, Elohem.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Now we talk about the nephil lem. Now they didn't
have that l moniker.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
They were not of angelic, they were of something else
but associated with You see where I'm going with this.
But the term nephilim or nephiline likely originates from the
Hebrew verb nephall, meaning to fall. The word nephileine is
a plural noun in Hebrew, often interpretated as fallen ones
or those who cause others to fall. Some scholars also

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connected to the idea of giants, but that's a also
because of their mention alongside giants in the Biblical text,
so much so that some interpretations of nephiliines to giants,
they were suggesting that they were beings of great size
and strength. The Septuagint, which is the Greek translation of
the Hebrew Bible, translates the word Nephileine as giants, and

(01:30:18):
in Greek it's gigas. So even when they translated it
from Hebrew to Greek, and remember I said that earlier,
the Hebrew to Greek translation is a lot closer because
they were damn near neighbors. Right, So even in Greek
to translate Nephileine, they just used their word for giants
because they were used almost interchangeably so often.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
Interesting, and so em em means plural. Is that what
that stands for?

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
So I believe.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
So I don't speak the Hebrew, but I think, but
my point is to show that there's a connection there
as well. Now, the giants being fallen ones or those
that cause others to fall, you see what I'm saying.
So even in what we would call giants in our
English dialect, the word right comes from Greek of gigas,

(01:31:06):
which was derived from nephelin.

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Oh shit or fallen ones or those that cause others
to fall. I find this all very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Yeah, me too, I think. I mean this just goes
back to this this thought that I'm still kind of
developing this whole thing, this you know, this Unicorn effect
essentially where it's like, why can't they just let us
have something mythological? Why can't some of this stuff exist?
You know, even like you know cosmic Peach, she's always

(01:31:36):
talking about the dog men and all, and that's there's
president for that, because there's old accounts and old maps
where you see these anew best like dog headed creatures.
But it's not just that. It's the world was a
very supernatural place and over time spiritual things got got
placed in the myth compartment. I think, especially after science

(01:31:58):
shows up in sixteen sixty with the Rural Society and
then the Darwinians stuff shows up. They sexualize the world
in including science itself, because science it yourself used to
be alchemy, right. They took the enchantment out of this realm,
is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Yeah, as soon as they took that ether out, fucking
all downhill from there, bro Like it's it is pretty crazy,
but if you think about it, like almost all ancient
people had to be spiritual in order to understand the
unexplainable until science came along, you know what I mean,
Like a witch is using fucking mug ward like or

(01:32:37):
using sage, and then you find out literally like if
you light some sage, it literally does clean your air, right,
like it's it's and that's what they said, Well, you
got to you gotta light this sage in order to
get rid of all the evil spirits and everything. And
then come to find out science comes over and proves that, well,
I don't know about cleansing spirits, but it's definitely cleaning

(01:32:58):
your air. It's purifying the air. It's like, how did
they know that? You know, Like that's it's so crazy
what people just knew spiritually that correlates back to the
scientific reasoning.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Yeah, And it's like over time or maybe even time
and time again, it seems like the state comes in
right monarchy's form, and it's like they always at big
moments in history, they were always kind of at it
with the secret societies because it's like, say, you know,

(01:33:33):
they're not all secret societies are the same, I don't think,
but like, but like it was about trying to like
store the knowledge so that so it can be used
at a later time for the benefit of humanity. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
I think it's a little bit of that. But I
think that it's also a little bit of like a
lot of those secret societies had to keep it secret.
Same thing with the mystery schools and secret cults and
stuff like that. They had to keep it secret because
they probably were scared of being called heretical. You know,
a lot like the witches. Right, Like you you practice
something in secret, and all of a sudden, somebody interprets

(01:34:10):
that you're working with demons and Satan and all this shit.
It's like, well, yeah, you don't have a word for
what we're doing. And you know, it's I think that
there's probably a little bit of that going on too,
and I trust that I'm not in church.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
It was like it was like they were being persecuted
at points by the state and the church.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
Well, and that's and that's why a lot of those
people had to be uh initiated in you know what
I'm saying, Like you had to go through years of initiation.
Some of them had to like take like years of
what is it called whenever, Like they weren't allowed to talk. Yeah,
Like they weren't allowed to talk for years in order
to become initiated.

Speaker 4 (01:34:51):
Right to join the Pythagorean Number cult, you had to
take a vow of silence for seven years before you
could even enter the door to learn the first secret
of numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Too much. I'm sorry, it's too fucking much.

Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
That's insanity. Yeah, And then come to find out I
pulled up a picture of it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
A couple episodes ago. They found a clay tablet that
predates Pythagoras by about two thousand years with the Pythagoron
theorem on it. Meaning he didn't come up with shit.
He's just the guy that whose name we learned about.
He didn't come up with the triangle math, I mean
known about for a long.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
It could have been something that he was trying to
expand upon, you know, in the same ways of like
Platonism and you know, platiness, expanding Platonism into Neoplatonism. Maybe
it was something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
Maybe you're on something there. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
I know that I looked into the number of cults
a little bit more, because although it was a secret cult,
there were some that followed them and learned some of
their methods and things. The dude was a psycho, Like
it was basically a sex cult that happened to be mathletes. Oh,
and like there was a lot of other shit that
they did that was weird as hell. The seventy Years
of Silence was a weird one. But I mean that's

(01:36:02):
not even the weirdest one of some of these other
mystery cults that we've that we know about.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Bro, you want to talk about psychos and we've talked
about the fucking guy before. But King James this is
and we've talked about how he was probably gay and
he like he called Jesus gay and he wrote the
book on demonology and all this kind of shit, right,
But then you look at like, did he possibly like
because we always refer to the King James Bible as
like Shakespearean, right, have you ever seen the connection with

(01:36:29):
Shakespeare and the Bible.

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
Yeah, there's something to believe that he wrote a portion
of it. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
Check this out.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
Bacon too, right, because Bacon was alive during the time
of King James and John d.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Right right, well, and so was Shakespeare. Shakespeare was allegedly
if he existed right around then, then he would have
been Yeah, oh that's right, Yeah, I remember that. Yeah,
we talked about that in the past. But check this out.
Let me read this to y'all, dude, this is fucking
mind blowing and it could be a striking coincidents. I
don't believe in coincidences personally, but there's this guy. This

(01:37:06):
he's a Bible teacher. His name is Robert J. Morgan.
He's like, I'm on his website right now, you know what.
I'll share it real quick too, in case anybody else
wants to check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
But the Corey I would like to see this though, Jonathan,
Where can they go?

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
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(01:38:03):
It's the best way to be able to support us.
But probably the main reason why everybody goes over to
Patreon is because it is completely yeah with the yeah.
So come check it out. So that being said, all right,
let me blow some minds over here, dude. All right,
So this guy he wrote he Goes, is Shakespeare's name

(01:38:23):
in scripture. He goes. In preparing my current series on
sermons for the Donaldson Fellowship from Psalm forty six, I've
come across a mystery connected with this passage. It has
to do with the rendering of Psalm forty six and
the King James version, which was authorized by King James,
the First of England in sixteen oh four, completed around
sixteen ten, and published in sixteen eleven. Oh I was

(01:38:45):
thinking that the King James version came like sixty or
seventy years after it was only like twelve years after
the Geneva Bible. You still got the monster voice there, Jacob.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Oh, shoot by, that's Aflow coming in on our track.

Speaker 2 (01:38:59):
I think so. Yeah, yeah, he goes. If you start
with the first word of Psalm forty six God, and
count forty six words into the text, you'll come to
the word the word shake. Now go to the end
of Psalm forty six and count back forty six words,
and you come to the word spear, shake spear. Now
consider the fact that at the time the King James

(01:39:20):
version was being readied for publication, England's foremost literary figure,
William Shakespeare, would have been forty six years old. Shakespeare
was popular in the court of King James the First
in London, and since he was renowned for his literary skill,
there are scholars, or at least conspiracy conspiracy theorists, who
find that it was likely that he asked to review

(01:39:41):
some of the newly translated Bible passages and to make
literary suggestions before the final publication.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
You cut out on us, Yeah, no, did I?

Speaker 3 (01:39:52):
Yeah, just go back like two or three sentences, what
with the right here? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
All right, so you know what, I'm just gonna read
that all over again. So all right, so he goes.
If you start with the first word Psalm forty six,
which is God, and count forty six words into the text,
you'll come to the word shake. Now go to the
end of Psalm forty six and count back forty six words,
and you'll come to the word spear Shakespeare. Now, consider

(01:40:20):
the fact that at the time that King James Version
was being ready for publication, England's foremost literary figure, which
was William Shakespeare, would have been forty six years old.
Shakespeare was popular in the court of King James the
First in London, and he was renowned for his literary skill.
There are scholars, or at least conspiracy theorists, who find
that it was likely that he was asked to review

(01:40:41):
some of the newly translated Bible passages and to make
literary suggestions before final publication. If so, suggest these scholars,
perhaps this was his subtle way of signing his name,
so to speak. So, in other words, one of the
greatest mysteries of literary history is whether William Shakespeare managed
to find a way to put his name in the
Bible and the King James version. At least we don't

(01:41:03):
know for sure, it's an intriguing historical mystery. But I
know one thing. Your name is in Psalm forty six,
and my name is there too. This is the Psalm
for us. Okay, now it starts getting weird, all right,
but basically you know what I'm trying to. I'm like,
all right, yant gotta get all you know, mushy on
us right here. But isn't that strange though? Like Shakespeare
in Psalm forty six, forty six words apart, he was

(01:41:26):
forty six years old. It's like, holy shit. And then
you want to even just look at like the numerology
of forty six, well, forty six four plus six equals ten.
Normally ten means completion, and you're putting ten completion in
the Bible. I don't know. Maybe there's something there.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Again, Maybe that was a coincidence, Maybe that was one
hundred percent intended.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
I I it could be either or honestly, Dave, I.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
Mean, King James and the crew did take change some
things around in there. One of them is a name
of an angel, and I'm forgetting, but they called it
the one in the King James version, but in other
Bibles it's actually listed the name of this angel, and

(01:42:12):
it's a very interesting deep dove, but also acts for
Acts twelve, verse four, they changed a passover to Easter.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
So there's a verse in there where it says, let
me sit back and fight it real quick, because I
don't remember what it says.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
It's talking about the Passover feast and then it changes
it to the Easter feast.

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
It's talking about the Yes, it's talking about these prisoners,
and it says they're going to be released on the
night before Passover. That's what it said in the Bible.
King James and his version changed Passover to Easter, and
it's like, why did he do that, especially when you
look at the pagan origins of Easter and Ostara and

(01:42:59):
the goddess worship that we talked about. So I've heard
people speculate on, well, what was the motivation there? Why
did they paganize Easter or paganized Passover and call it Easter.
There's little things like that that are weird with the
King James version. Man, and you know, some have suggested
to loop this s in with Shakespeare. Some have suggested

(01:43:20):
that whoever Shakespeare was, he was on King James court
and he was one of the guys who helped do
the King James Bible translation and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Well, it makes sense though if you read it like
it just go back as we just saw ten eleven,
twelve years to the Geneva Bible. They weren't talking that
way anymore, you know what I'm saying, Like, why would
you put such a literary almost device into this Bible
right whenever? Nobody was even speaking that way anymore. And

(01:43:55):
it makes me wonder were they trying to make it
more poetic as Shakespeare would and that's sense, yeah, And
also like you know, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:44:05):
Know, man, this is something I've heard other Bible scholars
talk about, and they seem to think that maybe they
were trying to water some things down, you know, like
for instance, like the Book of Enoch talks about the
watchers and it names off like at least twenty of them,

(01:44:27):
and it's like there's it's like where some of these
guys trying to like tame that or water that down
and like sort of like mute some of the more
cult elements that are in there. You know, I don't
know if I'm making sense, but it's like name and
entities by names talk about certain practices. I don't know, man,
it's it's a it's a weird one.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
I agree, yeah, I mean it's I think that they
changed a lot in there.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
And this is something that actually a lot of people
have talked about, because you'll hear most people there like, yeah,
I have a Bible, and then you ask them it's
you know, maybe they have the what is it, the
New Living Translation or something like that, and most people
will say, yeah, I have a King James version. I
think that is correct me if I'm wrong. That's the
most printed Bible of all time, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
I believe so. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:45:19):
The Bible is the most wily bought and stolen book
on earth, believe it or not. At the same time,
I believe the King James version is the most popular version,
but I think that also is because it was written
in English and at one time, the sun never set
on the British Empire, so that's why the King James
version made its way across the entire world to the

(01:45:40):
level that it did.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
Now that being said, Tim, I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:44):
I think that they rewrote certain things as a way
to water down, especially when it came to.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
What some would call the evil practices of the.

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
Enemies of Israel or whatever the case, depending on the
time and play and context of the scripture. But I
also think that they did that in a way for
easier conversion. Right, They were trying to convert people to Christendom.
And if you are shitting on a bunch of other
practices by name and listening out, they did X y Z.

(01:46:18):
And maybe you're talking to a tribe that is not
associated with that, but their practices look very similar to
X y Z. They may feel personally called out and
it wouldn't be such an easy conversion for them. It's
a lot easier to show, hey, you have a deity
that does this, and this brother, we have a saint
that has a very similar story to that. It's crazy.

(01:46:39):
You're not gonna believe it. You'll write that down, write
that down, give me a name and.

Speaker 1 (01:46:43):
Like and here we go.

Speaker 4 (01:46:44):
See we're talking about the same guy here. Why don't
you just come to our church. We'll talk about it.
I think that they watered down a lot of the
darker aspects very purposely.

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
I'm with you percent, yeah, yeah, And you know, wonder
if some of this was some of these guys were
just a part of occult orders to begin with too,
Like King James himself, you know, was see apart because
a lot of these kings were you know, I've heard
people say that, you know, it's it's misunderstanding that the

(01:47:17):
King James is the most purest full Bible, you know,
Like I've heard that. I've heard people say, oh, no,
they've got that wrong, because I know down here in
the South and some of the churches that I went
to growing up, the pastors would get up there and
just be rape people for using anything other than the
King James version. This weird thing that happens in the South.

(01:47:38):
Maybe it happens all over, but where they're like, the
only true version is the King James version. Well, now
that I've studied more and i've got you know, I've
got some go to Bible scholars, and their opinion seems
to be the opposite of that, right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
I mean, it's funny that you would say that the
King James version is like the holiest or the best
one whenever it's literally written what thirteen fourteen hundred years
after the original Bible was compiled, something at least like that.
Because the Council, the Council of Nicia. That was like
three hundreds or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
Right, the Council of Nicia had nothing to do with
putting which books into the Bible?

Speaker 3 (01:48:19):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (01:48:21):
What was that called put it together?

Speaker 4 (01:48:22):
There was a couple of councils that happened over a
long stint of time that did that. The Council of
Nicea is more for a couple of I don't want
to say dogmatic beliefs, but basically they had a bunch
of different people that were worshiping Christ in their own
way and they were trying to figure out what is
and is not the correct way to worship.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
The book conversation didn't come around till much later.

Speaker 4 (01:48:44):
But the earliest account that we have is the Codex Sinaticus,
and we believe that that was the first compilation of
codices in manuscripts that we would now call the Bible,
and that was ordered under the command of Justinian. Right now,
talking about the King James version versus another version, I

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really do like the septuagen from my studies. In my research,
it does seem to be damn near a one to
one translation to the older manuscripts and scrolls that we
do have as far as the Hebrew to Greek goes,
it seems to be a one to one. And let's
not forget the fact that Paul wrote most of the

(01:49:25):
New Testament in Greek, right, So I mean it makes
more sense that we would use the Greek to English
translation rather than the Greek to Latin to English translation.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
Right. It's like it's overhandling it a certain point.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
Oh, you know what's interesting, You're right, it wasn't the
Council of Nicia that put it together, because the Council
of Nicea. Well, what's interesting is is that the Council
of Nicea came before the Bible was ever even put together, right,
So that's probably when they were, you know, gaming about
maybe what would be put in, what would be put out,
or what order or whatever. I don't know ex actly,

(01:50:00):
but it was to.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
Go to sixty six books because it used to be more.

Speaker 1 (01:50:04):
So, well at least still use more.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
Yes, Well, the one that I'm looking what I'm looking
at right now is that the Council of Nicia was
in May of three hundred and twenty five AD, and
then the Bible was actually what they say it was
produced with the councils of the Council of Rome, the
Council of Hippo, and the Council of Carthage. And so
the Council of Rome was three eighty two, the Council

(01:50:29):
of Hippo was three ninety three, and then the Council
of Carthage was not until three ninety seven. And it says,
which affirmed the twenty seven books of the New Testament.
The Council of Trent also played a role in defining
the canon of the Catholic Church, which wasn't until fifteen
forty five. Right, So even the Council of Nicia, that's
that's too soon. So exactly I thought you were saying

(01:50:52):
that it was too late.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
No no, no, no, I'm saying like that was basically
the Council of Nicia.

Speaker 4 (01:50:57):
It was one of the first, if not the first
council that was done by the early church fathers. But
it wasn't to figure out which books would and wouldn't
make the final cut. They were having conversations about divinity
and things like that. Well, it says of God, the
nature of Christ. It says right here that the Council
of Nicea.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
It says. While this council is often mentioned in discussions
about the Bible. It focused primarily on clarifying Christian doctrine
like the Nicean Creed and did not establish the Biblical canon,
according to some scholars.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
Exactly so.

Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
And I've heard so many people, especially with ourline of work,
so many people that like to shit on Christianity would
just be like, well, you know, they just did this
with the council and ICEA and every fucking time I
dialogue and signs like dude a quick.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
But it's still a council every time, though. You know
what I'm saying, It's always the government council.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
So I mean it's a government council. That's that's This
is early church, early church fathers. This wasn't the Senators
of Rome coming together and figuring out what did and didn't.
These were priests and leaders religiously of their own churches
and their own congregations.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
I'm gonna do some research on that, oh for it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:03):
During the Reformation, Martin Luther and other reformers questioned the
authority of the apocrypha. Yeah, they ultimately removed the apocrypha,
leading to the sixty sixth book Protestant Bible. That seems
to be that's what it says here maybe that was

(01:52:23):
the seventeenth sixteenth century, whenever Martin Luther and the Reformation
went down. That's the one that I need to do
more work on and understand better, because that means that
the Apocrypha was in the Bible and it was taken out.

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
So when you look at Martin Luther specifically, I uh so,
without trying to be rude, Martin Luther had a real
issue with anything that was Jewish being in the Bible.
So the Book of Enoch, in the Book of Jubilee,

(01:53:00):
and these other things that we're seeing as Jewish folklore
he wanted remove from his pure Christendom. Martin Luther's second
biggest book is The Truth on Jews, which is blacklisted
in this country. As a matter of fact, it is
a complete It is the it's anti Semitism at its

(01:53:22):
absolute finest. And he had a hatred of the Jews,
so much so that he led a revolt that killed
thousands of Jews in Germany. After he nailed his ninety
nine thesis to the door and all this shit, he
led a slaughter of the Jewish civilians in his city,
and then wrote a book about how evil these these

(01:53:44):
fucking Jews are So you know, we got to look
at the bias and why did he want these books
specifically removed. It's there's a little more to the story
than what you see at surface level.

Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
Yeah, it's like, how in the world did he let
the whole Old Testament fly by? Then? You know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:54:04):
Because that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:54:05):
Certain things played into the story of Jesus, and certain
things played into that Jewish mysticism crap.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
It's That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
There was, yes, And I understand, even taking away from
Martin Luther, I understand why certain books of the Apocrypha
weren't added.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
I get it. I may disagree with their decision.

Speaker 4 (01:54:26):
To not add it, but at least I could understand
that maybe they saw that this is a bit too
much of a side tangent, and this book is to
talk about why we needed Jesus, and then Jesus being here,
and then what we do now that he has been here,
and so they saw it as too much of a
little bit of a side quest. I get that, but
I also disagree, respectfully. Right if in the Bible, in

(01:54:47):
the New Testament, if Jesus himself is referencing the Book
of Enoch to make a point and get a point
across to the masses. Shouldn't we as Christians have access
to the Book of Enoch to understand what the fuck
he's talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
That's just me. That's just me, and just me agreeing
with you.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
I'll take it a step further and say, why did
they take it out in the first place? Why'd they
take Enoch out in the first place? YEA, nobody can
never answer that for me. People who don't like it,
or a people who are hesitanting about the Book of
Enoch no offense, But I have yet to encounter someone
who can really answer that question. Why was it taken out?

(01:55:27):
And then you get into like the Bell and the Dragon?
Bro Listen, have you read that? That's awesome? It makes
so much sense in there, it does. It tags on
to the tail end of the Book of Daniel. It's
like it would if it was in your Bible, if
it wasn't taken out. I guess it's still in a
Catholic Bible. I'm told in all the Bibles I have

(01:55:48):
it's taken out, and it would be I think the
fourteenth chapter of Daniel and it goes into the story
about a dragon, a real dragon. Going back to our
conversation about why aren't we allowed to believe in anything mythological?
Why are certain things hidden from us? So what if
there's unicorns, why can't we know about that? So what

(01:56:10):
if there were dragons? Why can't we know about that? Well,
this book talked about dragons. It said that there was
a Daniel went to go see a king, and that
king had a pet dragon. Yep, and stuff happens, and
like the story unfolds, and then at some point, somebody

(01:56:30):
slays the dragon. I think it was Daniel himself killed
the dragon.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
Yeah. I don't understand why these books aren't added either.
And even within Judaism.

Speaker 3 (01:56:39):
May have been taken because of the dragon factor. Later
on there like oh it's too mythological for people, we
need to take it out.

Speaker 4 (01:56:47):
It's very possible. I mean, even within Judaism there is
a sect of Judaism. They're called the Kazins or Cassens.
I'm not sure how to pronounce the word. Or Cara
Kar writes, Yeah. Car rights Care writes, they only use
the Torah, they only use the first five books of
the Bible. They don't look in they don't even acknowledge

(01:57:10):
the Song of David. They don't even acknowledge. They pretty
much think that God stops speaking when Moses died, and
that's it. They they pretty much all the other things
that make Judaism what it is in the modern day,
they don't acknowledge. They see that as as bullshit and myth. Right,
then you have another sect of Judaism that only acknowledges, yeah,

(01:57:30):
the Torah, but the Talmud is their jam and like
that's the important part. So it's like you have people
that even though we have all these other books that
are divinely inspired, they're only acknowledging Genesis lust numbers in
Deuteronomy and that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
And it's that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:57:47):
It's like, dude, why tell me exactly why you think
that these weren't divinely inspired?

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
What other things?

Speaker 4 (01:57:53):
The Book of Job that predates the Torah, they don't
even acknowledge that because like that's just one of those things,
you know. It's so when we look at Christendom and
we see certain books that we could say were divinely inspired,
but it also didn't make the final cut, and we
talk about the whys was it?

Speaker 1 (01:58:10):
Because they were talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:58:11):
Things that were too nuanced and too mythological right, and
to a new convert, they would not understand a frame
of reference to take that as And that being the case,
I can understand that. But that's why you also have
like beginner's Bibles. And then you also have like the
strongest concordance and the strongest concordance. And you knows there's

(01:58:32):
levels to this. You don't start people off with the meat,
you start them off with the milk. I could understand that.
But the Bible is supposed to be our portion, right,
It's supposed to be the thing that tells us what
we're supposed to do and why. And I do, in
fact believe that we are missing some of the information. Now,
do I believe that salvation can happen without the apocrypha?

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
Yes, one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (01:58:56):
I don't believe that you need to know about the
Book of Enoch in or to understand the point and
accept the blood.

Speaker 1 (01:59:03):
Of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (01:59:04):
That being said, even Jesus recognized these books. And even
if these weren't books that your standard Jewish person in
Capernaum had on his shelf, they at least understood the
cultural significance enough to where when Jesus spoke to the
masses and said that enough people in the crowd knew
exactly what he was talking about. It gives us, if

(01:59:25):
nothing else, more of a frame of reference. And I
think that that's important.

Speaker 2 (01:59:30):
It's interesting. I'm looking over here about what books were
taken out of the Bible, and so it's a lot
of them believe that it's actually Old Testament apocrypha, right, yeah,
and so and I'm getting like different things. Some people
say that there used to be forty four Old Testament
books that went down to thirty nine. When that was

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at the first council, I forget which one that was.

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
Now it wasn't Hippo. It was the Council of Rome,
Council of Hippo, and then the Council of Carthage.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
It was Carl. Well, that wasn't the first one though,
So yeah, that's weird. So I guess in the Council
of Rome and the Council of Hippo, those both included
the apocrypha, and then it was Carthage that took it
out because it went from forty four Old Testament books
down to thirty nine. And some people say that, well,
it probably it's possible that it included all seventeen. I

(02:00:29):
don't know if if there is seventeen books in the apocrypha,
but some people say that they're actually I'm getting differing
reports over here. I don't know yet, but but some
of them. So the Old Testament apocrypha what this guy
brought up. So you have the Book of Judith, the
Book of Tobit, the first Maccabee, Second Maccabee's, the Wisdom

(02:00:50):
of Solomon. Then there's Sirach also known as Ecclesiasticus, and
baruk Ba r Uh. And then there's also additions to Bible,
to certain chapters or certain books that were taken out.
So there was additions to Esther and additions to Daniel

(02:01:10):
that were taking out.

Speaker 4 (02:01:12):
Yeah, that's what Tim was just talking about a minute ago.
Where Daniel goes to the king who has a pet
dragon that was just taken out.

Speaker 3 (02:01:19):
Just it's just like one chapter. It's a real small
expert So I think there's thirteen chapters in Daniel, and
that was the fourteenth chapter.

Speaker 2 (02:01:31):
It makes you wonder, how, like how did they go
about canonizing certain things? You know what I'm saying, Like,
what was the formula to put that together. Did they
have something in mind when they were trying to put
it together in the first place, or were they really
trying to go after what was factual what was not real,
because even the Bible itself, not all of it is

(02:01:51):
very factual. Some of it's you know, symbolic stories that
didn't even happen, right, like Jonah in the fucking whale,
Like anybody believe that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:00):
Like you, why would really believe?

Speaker 2 (02:02:03):
So that's well, that's my point though, is like why
couldn't you just use the apocrypha as symbolic stories like
Jonah and the Well.

Speaker 3 (02:02:11):
Yeah, so you also had a couple that weren't on
that list. You know, Book of Giants comes to mind,
Book of Jasher, Books of Jubileeze. I don't know if
you mentioned that on or not, but like a lot
of these come out of these old scrolls, yeah, you know,
like like Dead Sea scroll. I think the book I'm
looking this up right now. I think Book of Giants
was found with the Dead Sea scrolls.

Speaker 1 (02:02:32):
I believe it, and.

Speaker 3 (02:02:36):
So, yeah, it was. It was among the it was
earliest known traditions for the book originate and aramic copies
among the Dead Sea scrolls. So that's I think that's
how they got to be canonized in the first place,
is like they were old and they were found to

(02:02:58):
be legitimate, and they were in you know, I don't know, Well.

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
The Dead Sea scrolls they were found in what was
like the nineteen forties or fifties or something like that, right.

Speaker 3 (02:03:07):
True, But there were other places where they found scrolls
way way back for and they were just kept in
like monasteries and churches and priests. They've just been handed
handed down, handed down.

Speaker 2 (02:03:18):
I thought that it was Actually I'm sorry, I was
just say.

Speaker 4 (02:03:21):
If we're gonna get technical, the Ethiopian Bible is the
oldest compiled Bible on Earth, and the Ethopian Coptics have
the strongest claim as that. Well, there's a difference between
Ethiopian Coptic and Egyptian Coptic.

Speaker 1 (02:03:36):
I should mention that too. They're they're very similar, but
they have some distinctions.

Speaker 4 (02:03:40):
It's kind of like saying the Roman Catholic versus the
Eastern Orthodox versus the Anglican Catholic.

Speaker 1 (02:03:46):
They have a lot of similarities, but there are some
distinct differences.

Speaker 4 (02:03:49):
But to our knowledge, the Ethiopian Coptic religion is the
longest standing, truest to the original form of early early
early day one, earliest Christendom.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
Yeah, that's what I'm finding here is that the Ethiopian
Bible has uh some versions contain eighty one books, some
versions contain eighty eight books, and it does include parts
of the Apocrypha as well.

Speaker 1 (02:04:18):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (02:04:19):
Oh you know what, I'll just throw this into I
would say, man, Jonathan, I think you said you were
doing like a study on angels or something, right.

Speaker 2 (02:04:27):
Or yeah, just well, I have a buddy, Lord Byron Jester,
who works with them in magic. So that's that's my
that's my reason. I just want to understand what they symbolize.

Speaker 3 (02:04:38):
That's interesting too, how these things there's all that angelic
magic I've seen, like Book of Moses and all that stuff.
I've read through some of that. It gets pretty wild.
It names out the names of these.

Speaker 2 (02:04:47):
Things, Enochian magic and all that shit like it's it's fascinating,
even even if you think that it's you know, stupid
or fake or whatever, like not everybody believe that.

Speaker 3 (02:04:57):
Well, I was gonna say, man, you might want to
look at that Book of Giant. I don't know if
you're going to get anything magical out of it. But
it's it's very interesting. It kind of it's like it's
like watching a Marvel movie reading that book is it's crazy,
and it's it's expounding on the Book of Enoch, right,

(02:05:18):
at least that was my my assessment of it. And
it says here, references to giants are in the in
the Book of Giants are in Enoch jubilees and that
baroque that you mentioned. So all these these apocryphal books
all seem to be on the same page, but they're

(02:05:38):
all trying to tell in the same story. But yeah, man,
it is it's I should I wish I knew more
about the inner workings of why while this was in
it and now it's not and all this and that
it sounds like you got.

Speaker 4 (02:05:52):
A good handle on a Jacob Well and I also
because it was too too grandiose for your average reader
to take and be like, wait a minute, really, dude,
the giants and like, if we're talking about the book
of the early parts of Genesis, okay, well we're talking
about some primordial things here, the garden of Eden.

Speaker 3 (02:06:10):
Hell.

Speaker 4 (02:06:11):
I know a lot of people that believe that most
of the creation story is start to finish a myth
just to kind of answer the questions for us dumb humans. Right,
but it did not happen in the six Days and
all these things, Like fine, fine, whatever, But if you
go later into the Old Testament and we're still talking
about dragons and giants, people are going to start looking

(02:06:31):
sideways at this book like it's all mythos Well, in
our modern day, with the current version, we got people
that are saying it's all myths and not reality. So,
I mean, could you imagine if they had giants and
dragonstone and that shit even murrh?

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
Yeah, I see you with your hand raised.

Speaker 3 (02:06:44):
At some point, though, the giants and the dragons and
the unicorns apparently were accepted as real. So when did
we you know, That's what I think happened as a society.
I think this Western mentalities just started taking over and
and and the the beginnings of science sort of pushed

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a lot of this out. That's what I found in
my research. You know, the royal society and those guys
who were on the rural society that were big proponents
of Darwin and all that. It's like this stuff got
pushed out. And even in the eighteen eighties. Man. That's
that's when our institutions overhear, like the Smithsonian and the

(02:07:27):
Bureau of Ethnology. That's when they kind of got on
the same page with the British Royal Society and started
to dis coincided with them taking the giant bones out
of the museums. And that's this. It all lines up
with the cover up essentially of all that stuff. It's like,
it's almost as if they thought that science couldn't exist

(02:07:50):
in the world with giants and things deemed to be mythological.
And I really see that that picking up in the
eighteen eighties, man, And it's wow, because I was looking
at an old Bible the other day. This lady was
flipping through her Bible on YouTube, and it was from
eighteen eighty four, and in the opening paragraph to the Bible,

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they were talking.

Speaker 1 (02:08:13):
About how.

Speaker 3 (02:08:16):
Giants and how do they word it, mounds and giants
and members of an ancient race were found in North America.
The it's mentioned in the opening paragraph to the Bible
itself eighteen eighty four. And then you look back at
the old articles from the eighteen eighties and everybody's finding

(02:08:37):
giant bones farmers. It's almost like people knew about the
giants bro Abraham Lincoln was talking about and speeches. George
Washington wrote in his diary that they found one when
they were digging up Fort Loud and they were building
this fort. They found two giants there. Washington knew. I
think everybody just knew about this, and then eighteen eighty
hit in this wave of naturalism, and it just got

(02:08:59):
pushed out and now now here we are one hundred,
two hundred years later, and it's myth to us.

Speaker 1 (02:09:06):
Well.

Speaker 2 (02:09:07):
And I think that you can look at that really
two different ways. Either a they are trying to hide
the giants. They're trying to hide the you know, mythological
people or creatures or sacred places or whatever, you know,
with the things that were taken out of the Bible,
or I don't even want to say taken out of
the Bible. I think that it was just you know,

(02:09:27):
before it became canonized and turned into the Bible, right
Like I don't know, because then there's the Ethiopian Bible
that's a whole, a whole nother story. It could either
be that that they are trying to hide all of
that stuff, or they took it out because maybe it
mythologized it too much, and if people read into it

(02:09:47):
and like what there's dragons, there's unicorns, nobody's going to
take this shit real, nobody's going to take this shit
on surface level. So, you know, and that's one thing
that we'll probably never know. We're never going to know
what was going through the minds of the people that
were construc ring the Bible, you know, at all these
different councils, you know, like what was there, what was
their purpose? What were they what was their you know,

(02:10:07):
what was their goal in the construction.

Speaker 3 (02:10:08):
Of this could have been a cultural thing, like like
with like with eighteen eighty and John Wesley Powell and
some of his his Darwin influenced mentors, like that was
something cultural that was happening that was affecting their decision making.
And it's hard to understand that when you look back

(02:10:30):
at history. It's like, what was happening culturally to make
these people want to exclude certain things? Right?

Speaker 4 (02:10:36):
We might never know, And it's crazy to see the
time stamp on that. Right, So we're talking the mid
eighteen hundreds. People were done with the whole conversation of
things that could be mythical and all of that cut
back to the sixteen hundreds when the King James Bible
was written. Middle Ages, dude, or the I guess you
could say the end of the Middle Ages.

Speaker 1 (02:10:58):
Whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:10:58):
But like my point is, people believed in dragons. They
may not believe that a dragon's gonna come and burn
their village down, but there was enough stories and lore
around dragons to where people believed that at one time
they existed. Nobody really questioned that. People believed that giants existed. Hell,
the story of Don Quixote. He went crazy and was

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trying to fight a giant with his horse and his lance. Right,
he was a knight and all these things. But that's
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:11:26):
Every culture around the world has a dragon story.

Speaker 4 (02:11:30):
Yes, Ancient China, Southern Tip of Africa, Australia, the Native Americans,
doesn't matter. Everybody has a dragon story. Everybody has a
giant story. People acknowledged that at one time they were real.
Maybe they're not here anymore, but they absolutely were real
at one point. Then somewhere between the sixteen hundreds to
the eighteen hundreds, well we gotta change all this. People

(02:11:53):
are just so dumb and they're so the village elder
telling his stories around the campfire.

Speaker 1 (02:11:58):
That's just antiquated now. And it's like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (02:12:01):
Even the dudes in the days of Galileo and Copernicus
and Newton acknowledged that dragons were real. But somehow this
asshole name Darwin comes around and we got to change
everything up.

Speaker 1 (02:12:13):
It's crazy to me, man.

Speaker 3 (02:12:15):
I know. And it's like it's like some pockets of
the earth were all you know how it is like
I go back to Appleatza, right and there's little pockets
of Appalasta where these people were still thirty years behind
throughout the world. Right, Well, there's this I think there's
one of these pockets. And I came across in China
because they've had reportings of dragons over there for centuries,

(02:12:37):
right in China, and this is crazy case that I
found out of July nineteen thirty four. It's in yin
Ku Landing Province. Hopefully I got that right, but Yi
Koo Province and it talks about a dragon that has
just fallen from the sky and the locals claimed that

(02:12:59):
they saw a magnificent creature with two horns, razor sharp
claws and scales adorning a ten meter long body, and
it looked exactly how dragons in Chinese myth were depicted,
especially in the ancient paintings. The best part about this
is there's a picture and I'll pull it up here

(02:13:20):
in a minute on here if I can find it.
But I looked into this case and I'm dudes, I'm
pretty sure a dragon foul of the sky in nineteen
thirty four in China. This is one of the most
modern cases of dragons I could find. And the people
in the area, including their newspaper, reported the incident, so

(02:13:42):
all these saw what happened, and what they did was
it gets real specific in here, right, They like talk
about how they covered I guess it was hot or something,
so they covered it. They put like some sort of
a makeshift tent or tarp over the dragon, and locals
were coming in there and dumping water the dragon to
try to get it to cool off or something. They're

(02:14:03):
trying because it was still alive, apparently like barely, but
it was still alive. So it's this is this is
a crazy story. Wow, And it's nineteen thirty four.

Speaker 1 (02:14:18):
Man, Yeah, I see it.

Speaker 4 (02:14:21):
I just poarded up in the summer of nineteen thirty four,
a strange creature resembling a dragon was reportedly found in
yang Ku, China, near the city's paper meal. The creature
was described with glistening scales, two claws, and a beard.
Was initially spotted during a storm and caused chaos in
the area. Locals attempted to aid the creature, but it

(02:14:41):
later vanished, only to reappear days later as a skeletal remains.
The incident is known as the yang Ku falling dragging incident.
Had the beard and everything with a do nineteen thirty four.

Speaker 3 (02:14:54):
Do you have the picture? Uh?

Speaker 4 (02:14:57):
Yeah, yeah, hold on me all right, yeah, let me
share the screen real quick. This is I didn't know
it was so uh. I didn't realize it was so
modern as far as it's concerned. So this is the
skeleton remains that were left behind. This is a statue
that they made of the dragon itself. But this is
the article from the newspaper the day of This is

(02:15:20):
the actual skeleton that was left behind.

Speaker 3 (02:15:23):
Yeah, dude, it looks like it's got horns or something.

Speaker 4 (02:15:26):
This is saying it was spotted after flooding. Of course,
they're going to try to rewrite the story in some way.
Shape or form, even though it's known as the Falling
Dragon incident. Oh that skeleton washed up after the flood.
Yeah right, right, totally.

Speaker 3 (02:15:41):
Well, it says here that when it fell from the sky,
it led to the destruction of houses and boats, and
it derailed a train at the train station and it
was alded into death of nine people. So apparently this

(02:16:01):
thing didn't just fall from this guy. It like came
down in like freaking direct havoc on its way down,
on its crashing like I don't know, maybe it tried
to get back up into the air and that's when
it hit the train. Who knows what happened, but it
caused some chaos when it fell, killing nine people.

Speaker 4 (02:16:19):
What I can understand why they kind of tried to
cover it up though, to be honest with you. So,
the Communist China didn't become a national identity until nineteen
forty nine. However, the Communist Party entered China in nineteen eleven,
and it was there after the upheaval of the Chinese Revolution.
So there was a lot of people that were trying

(02:16:40):
to shift perspectives and narratives of China into a more
modern day and age. We can't be talking about dragons.
We are trying to revitalize and renationalize us in some
new image. Communism was at least starting to take root
and get some real weight behind it in nineteen thirty
four when this dragon landed. So yeah, that was That
was a whole other story. We only need to talk

(02:17:01):
about the ancestral type of things with China. We need
to talk about the future. We need to talk about
your boy, Marx.

Speaker 2 (02:17:08):
Can I get a little symbolic right here real quick?

Speaker 1 (02:17:11):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:17:12):
So I was actually just doing this research earlier, trying
to you know, do research on a show for Meta
that I'm planning on doing because I want to try
and better understand astrology, and mainly sideial astrology, because I
believe that it's like the truest to form astrology sideiro astrology.
It's like you go outside, you look up, that's the

(02:17:32):
star alignment that is right now, because tropical astrology. It's correct,
But it was only correct back to the year one
year zero, around the New Age or whatever whenever, you know,
after death or whatever the fuck they call it nowadays.

Speaker 1 (02:17:48):
When they first wrote it down.

Speaker 4 (02:17:50):
Yeah, the Earth has shifted a bit in the cosmos
over the last two thousand.

Speaker 2 (02:17:53):
Years, and there's they say that there's a the Earth
has a wabble on it, and so every twenty seven
years it shifts a degree so much so that like
people's star signs or whatever aren't the same anymore because
of the procession. And so I was looking into a
little bit of that. As far as sidereal, sideial links

(02:18:15):
heavily to Vedic astrology, very similar because they also do
the same thing. But within Vedic and sideial astrology they
include two more things other than just the main stars
in our solar system. They include what is called Rahu
and Ketsu, right, And these are said to just be
north and south lunar nodes. And so some people would say, well,

(02:18:38):
whenever there's an eclipse, that's actually what's eclipsing the sun,
and that's what's eclipsing the moon is these nodes out there.
Very it's not agreed upon, but it's understood at least
within Vedic culture that these are essentially like invisible fucking
planets out there essentially, right. But what's really interesting about
that is that Rahu and Ketsu so ra who let

(02:19:01):
me make sure I get this right. So Raho is
known as the dragon's head, and Ketsu is known as
the dragon's tail, and so and I was like, wait
a second, I wonder if this is symbolic of the
you know, the third of the heavenly host falling or whatever. Right,
and then you look at it and it's known it
says in mythology, eclipses are said to occur when Rahu

(02:19:24):
and Ketsu periodically in quotes, swallow the Sun and Moon
who had revealed their deception. Isn't that interesting just symbolically, like,
that's kind of crazy, right?

Speaker 3 (02:19:35):
It even says dragon in that passage in Revelations that
I read earlier, that that passage where the one third
were said to have been kicked out of heaven. It
you know, like I said before, say, Lucifer, it does
call it the dragon.

Speaker 2 (02:19:49):
Yeah, it was the tail that whipped it out or
something like that tail that sweeped them out of the sky.
So it makes you wonder, is there like a fucking
Rahu Katsu kind of situation going on here?

Speaker 3 (02:19:58):
I think, mayb we're going to see here as some
of us start to do more and more research and
some of us start to lessen to listen to the
pastors less because I mean, let's face it, like there's
a lot to be uncovered with this book. I think
as we're on this timeline and as we're going forward,
we're going to start to see more astrological connections to

(02:20:19):
the Bible itself. And and it's it's maybe it's too
Wugu for people right now, but I think maybe in
a couple of years will start to maybe shift our
focus a little better. And and because I mean like
even like the twelve Tribes of Israel have the twelve
constellations right that they were, you know, and and and

(02:20:41):
weirdly enough, all the all the major constellations that are
over the nations so end up representing the nations. Like
the bear is over Russia, the the Dragon is over China,
and the Eagle is over America.

Speaker 2 (02:20:58):
Well in also think about it, the twelve constellations or
the twelve tribes or whatever, right, they all revolve around
the sun. You know what I'm saying, like symbolically, like
it's right there.

Speaker 4 (02:21:12):
The story you just told about the that was in China.
You said, the story about the dragon eating the sun
and the moon. Right, Well it's Vedik, so it'd be India, India. Okay,
So this is very remnant of In Norse mythology, there's
two wolves, Skull and Hati, who are destined to devour
the Sun and moon, and basically that's what in Nordic mythology.

(02:21:33):
The Sun and Moon are rotating around the Earth and
all these things, but they're constantly being chased by the
Sun of the moon, and when we have an eclipse,
that is them almost swallowing the Sun or almost swallowing
the moon, but at the last second it always escapes, right,
and they're going to keep chasing it until Ragnarok according
to Nordic mythology. So again, very different cultures, probably had

(02:21:55):
no contact with each other, but somehow a story like that,
somehow traverse.

Speaker 2 (02:22:00):
So it's just monitoring the sky. I mean, all the
ancients were every every single religion out there, at least
all the old ones. They all were always in relation
with the stars in the planets and the sun and
the moon, every single one of them. So there's there's
like I think that, yeah, maybe one changes from a
dragon to a wolf. There's probably one that has it

(02:22:22):
as a fucking lion or something like that, you know
what I'm saying. But they all are talking about the
same thing and they turn it into story form. Now,
that's not me trying to water down any religion because
I think that if anything, it's like it makes it
even cooler because you can go outside and look up
and be like, oh shit, this is what they were
talking about, you know, And so yeah, I think that

(02:22:45):
obviously the stars have to play a role into it.
Just to like to say that the stars play no
role in anything would be ludicrous. Go outside. They're there
every night, you know what I'm saying, Every fucking night
they are out there. It would be so dumb to
not pay attime engine to them because all the ancients
used them.

Speaker 3 (02:23:03):
They did, man, they used them. There was a navigation
tool as well. It's how they these people that were
seafaring were using the stars like a like a giant
inverted map. And you know, you brought up Norris. They
even had the twelve. They had twelve valkyries for twelve constellations.
Osried there's more than twelve valkyries, but there were a

(02:23:24):
section of twelve of them that were assigned to the constellations,
and that's how they divvied up a year somehow, because
the twelve valkyries represented twelve constellations which represent twelve months
in a year, and at winter you switch over to

(02:23:46):
like that valkyrie and it's like a it's like a
winter valkyrie, and then you've got your summer valkyrie. It's
been a lot since I went through all this, but
it's it's all. It goes down into the calendar itself.

Speaker 2 (02:24:00):
Right, And then of course you look into the Ethiopian calendar,
it's thirteen months. You look into Vedic astrology, they have
thirteen constellations. Whenever you include a fucus, it's like there
has to be something going on there, dude, And like,
and here's the thing about the tropical astrology is that
they're all each thirty degrees. No constellation is exactly thirty degrees.

(02:24:20):
They're varying, like Scorpio is literally it takes up seven
degrees of the sky, seven degrees of the of the
one hundred and eighty or three sixty degrees whatever it is.
It's like that's not right, right, So you would want
to get more accurate with it. That's why I personally
I fuck with Sideia. I think it just.

Speaker 1 (02:24:38):
Sideria also does it for the true size too? Correct?

Speaker 4 (02:24:41):
Yea, because like uh and correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm not as familiar with astrology as the others. But like,
Leo is like a mid tier sized, uh you know,
constellation in the actual night sky versus like the Pisces,
which is a very small one, right, Scorpio, it's a very.

Speaker 2 (02:25:01):
Scorpio, its smallest. That's seven degrees in the sky.

Speaker 3 (02:25:04):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:25:05):
And so for you know, whenever they took the calendar
and sectioned it off into twelve equally sized distances and
days and all these things, I understand why they would
do that for the calendar, but that is not the
truth of the matter. Right, if you were born on
this day and Leo, the sun was rising in the
House of Leo on the day of your birth, that

(02:25:27):
you had a much larger shot at being a Leo
than a Scorpio.

Speaker 2 (02:25:31):
Right. So, Leo is actually the third largest constellation according
to Sidereal, which is thirty four degrees. The biggest one
is Virgo. Ah got you the pregnant belly, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:25:44):
Pregnant belly. I thought she was the virgin.

Speaker 2 (02:25:46):
Well, I mean until she brings out the one you know,
and the savior, the.

Speaker 3 (02:25:51):
One the sun. Right, So to your point, about the
navigation in the story. The Vikings, as we know, were
master navigators and they had this. They're on cosmology, of course,
so what they were doing here was they tracked the
seasons using the heavens, of course, but using the solstices
as markers, and their astronomy was in their astronomy, they

(02:26:16):
acknowledged twelve moon phases. We have twelve months. They had
the twelve valkyries, who were these women who were the
keepers of the moon calendar. They broke the twelve months
into two groups, six dark months and six light months,
signified by the winter solstice and the summer solstice. And
then it gets I just wanted to go through that

(02:26:38):
because I felt like I did a terrible job explaining
a minute ago. But when you start looking into those valkyries,
things also get interesting there as well. Like there's one
here that I was looking at. The name is rand
Grizz and she was sent to a place called nefel
yeahere it was a place called Neflheem as.

Speaker 1 (02:26:57):
Well Nelheim where the ice giants lived.

Speaker 3 (02:26:59):
Right, yeah, so you're back. It's almost like we're back
at you know, little g gods and Nephlom again. But
that's crazy that they based the cod calendar itself off
of the stars.

Speaker 4 (02:27:10):
Man, I agree, and I mean yes, even the Bible
tells us to mark our calendars based off of the stars, right,
and use them for our harvest, start planting and all
these things. And like Jonathan said, they're up there every
single night, and it doesn't take a civilization that long
to figure out that. Hey, wait a minute, maybe there's

(02:27:31):
something important about the summer solstice, or to a simpler
ancient person, the longest day of sunlight of the year.
Maybe there's something special about that, right cut to winter solstice,
you mean the time when the sun's only out for
a few hours and its darkest for the longest time.
Maybe we should like mark this down. Maybe we should
pay attention to what the animals are doing on these times. Wait,

(02:27:55):
a full moon. Isn't it interesting that all of the
animals in the woods were out and about running last
night during a full moon?

Speaker 1 (02:28:02):
Maybe we should write that down. Maybe that's important in
some way, shape or form.

Speaker 4 (02:28:06):
Right, Like, it's this makes perfect sense that we would
utilize the environment that we have found ourselves living in
to our advantage.

Speaker 1 (02:28:14):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (02:28:15):
Yeah, I think so. I just find it interesting nonetheless,
and I also find it interesting that like a lot
of these uh celestial events happen like and they correlate
with world events. I did a little bit of research
on this, bro and I'm gonna fucking I'm gonna blow
some minds very quick. Like it's actually pretty wild. And
now this is only through the sidereal lens. Let me

(02:28:39):
get back to it, all right, So all right, so
you can predict super bowls like super Bowl winners, you
can predict who the presidents are going to be, and
you can predict certain weird events that happen in history,
all based upon sidereal astrology. And I'll give you a
couple of examples that will definitely blow your mind. So

(02:29:01):
as far as like events that have correlated with the chart,
and I'm not going to go like super chart like
or whatever here. But so the the two thousand and
eight financial crisis, it says sideial showed Saturn and Leo
opposite Neptune and Aquarius. That sounds like a mouthful, but
it says exact to the day, signaling collective disillusionment with

(02:29:25):
financial structures. So to the day they were able to
map out the two thousand and eight financial crisis, and
in Sidereal astrology, the same thing with the COVID nineteen pandemic.
So Sidereal Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto conjunction in Sagittarius perfectly
match global restructuring, travel restrictions, and ideological clashes. I mean

(02:29:50):
that's kind of strange, right.

Speaker 3 (02:29:51):
So it was somebody out there before these events saying, look,
something something big happened.

Speaker 2 (02:29:57):
There were people actually we have Oh what is his
this guy that we the guy that we've had on
I can't remember what his name is. I know I
like him. I've been trying to get him on the show.
He's hard to get a hold of.

Speaker 3 (02:30:10):
There's stuffy.

Speaker 2 (02:30:13):
Yeah, he's not so much into the sidereal though. I
think he's mainly tropical. But athin Commente that's the name.
We've had him on the show, and he talks about
Sideia and he says that he was actually he was
actually able to predict literally COVID nineteen to the day
that they announced it with Sideiro astrology to the day right,

(02:30:33):
mapped it out a year in advance. At least athin Comente.
You can reach out to him. He goes, he goes
on shows all the time that I think it's like.

Speaker 1 (02:30:44):
C H E M.

Speaker 2 (02:30:46):
I can't remember exactly something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:30:50):
I just want to read his stuff, bro, I just
want to know what he's saying. What what is he
about to say? Saying is about to happen? You know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (02:30:57):
Yeah, he he does. He does give his suggestions as
to what he believes going to happen. And also how
about this and now that This is the fun thing
about astrology in general too, because you can go back
in certain charts and be able to find out like,
all right, well, this world event happened on this day.
How did the chart look on that day and see
if it correlated in any kind of weird way, right,

(02:31:18):
So you don't necessarily need to ball you know, like
Babe ruth it by any means you can go back
and just fact check it in a sense. Right, So
how about nine to eleven you could you could have
called it out with sideial bro in a way. I mean,
nobody's a prophecy or prophetic or whatever. But sidereal shows
that sideial Mars in Sagittarius tightly opposed Saturn and Gemini.

(02:31:41):
So basically that means that there was going to be
foreign conflict with structures of communication and transportation lining up
to the degree. In each case, tropical charts were closed,
but Sideial's exact planetary positions brought sharper timing and symbolism.
So it was able to in a sense call out
nine eleven and you got it goes down the list

(02:32:02):
bro like it was able to call out the fall
of the of the Berlin Wall. It was able to
call out in nineteen forty seven Indian independence. The In
the mid nineties, the Internet boom like weird shit, Japan's
twenty eleven earthquake and tsunami, assassination of JFK, the hurricane Katrina,
fucking Chernobyl, like all these wild things.

Speaker 3 (02:32:25):
So what if some of these will take the two
thousand and eight housing thing, for instance, What if the
people who perpetrated that were using the stars to begin with,
and they're like, oh, well, this is our day, this
is what we need to make our move.

Speaker 2 (02:32:43):
I would say probably right, because especially dude, we know
damn will like it is. It is almost a foregone
conclusion that the world rulers are absolutely into the occult. Like,
you don't get DC looking like DC without them being
in the occult, right, whenever you got all of DC
mapped out like a goddamn pentagram, I'm sorry, like miss

(02:33:05):
her with that dude and all in the pillars everywhere,
and it's like, of course they're they're definitely involved in that,
and to say that that's that's how they used to be,
They're not that way anymore. No, you don't just throw
away that kind of power and that kind of knowledge,
because people literally, as we just talked about, vows of
silence for seven years in some instances to be initiated
into this kind of information, So not everybody was privy

(02:33:27):
to it, right, And so you don't just throw that
away because obviously those people that were trying to get initiated,
they knew that there was something here, some kind of
magical information that this group had that nobody else had.
And so I believe that they're absolutely still, you know,
working with those energies and trying to figure out, well,
which day would be the best to do this, and

(02:33:48):
which day would be the best to do that. Let's
look at the planetary energies, right, So then you check
out fucking John Dee and he was basically like Queen
Elizabeth right hand man, for a lot of shit, especially
for astrological stuff, and it goes back and I would
say that it actually is still going right now, like
without a shadow of a doubt, because every single thing,
every single thing is so symbolic, like I'm sorry, that's

(02:34:11):
not a coincidence.

Speaker 3 (02:34:12):
No, they built empires on this stuff. And a good
example is John D. You know, I think if you
look into Oxford, it says that the beginning of the
British Empire was fifteen eighty three. I think, well, that's
right when John D was in the service of the Queen.
And guess who coined the term British empire, John D.
She they were He helped her build this empire. And

(02:34:37):
I would suggest that all the empires have a similar
origin story to that, you know, and I think it
goes back to like an older call order that was global.
They spread out, they you know, they went to the
four corners, but they kept the same doctrine. Elvis Levi
talks about that how there is a singular doctrine behind

(02:34:58):
all the rights, and whether you're out of temple in
Greece or some monastery in Tibet or whatever's there's a
familiar occult strand to the mystery schools and the ideas
that they spread out right thousands of years back. They
became ancient scholars in Egypt, Phoenicia, Greece, India, China, and

(02:35:19):
they bound themselves in a mystic brotherhood, and they became
these priest counselors to these nation states. They became John
de to Queen Elizabeth. They were aware. This is where
it gets weird. Some of these empires almost were prophetic
in the way they were. They were started off and
kicked off. They were aware of the Western Hemisphere and

(02:35:42):
the continent over here. So America falls in line, you know, DC,
like you said, being laid out with all this occult
symbolism and stuff. This goes way back, possibly to older orders.
You know, the Greeks knew about America. I mean, of
course it wasn't called America then, but you know, somebody
said Plato earlier. These guys were talking about the Western hemisphere. Man,

(02:36:06):
They were talking about a continent over here. They knew
that you could sail down the Saint Lawrence River. They
knew about that river, and they knew about the Great Lakes.
That the Greeks knew about this Bluetarch wrote about it.
So the mystery schools, like what I'm saying here is
like America might be a manifestation of an occult prophecy

(02:36:30):
that goes back to much older orders. And these mystery schools,
as far back as Plato may have had it planned,
they were writing about it. They were prophesying about this
entity that would become America and that and a lot
of that's mainly Pall's interpretation as well.

Speaker 2 (02:36:48):
Yeah, yeah, dude, I mean I think that it's really
just all over the place. It doesn't even necessarily always
have to be politically. I think that it's all over entertainment,
obviously with the Super Bowl halftime show. But let me
take you down a path that I literally just thought
about earlier today and I was like, oh my god,
the fucking connections are so crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:37:06):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:37:07):
I'm I'm a wrestling dork. I've watched wrestling ever since
I was a little kid, right, and everybody, like everybody
knows that John Cena is a household name. Right, you
want to talk about fucking symbolism, Bro'm about to blow
your tits off of your chest right now. Okay, So
John Cena, if you think about it so John Cena,
he's been he was wrestling for like twenty years. He's

(02:37:29):
come back, he's in his final year right now, and
he's had a heel turn. He was a good guy
his entire career, and now that he's come back it's
his final year. He's had a heel turn. He's a
bad guy now, right. I thought that that was kind
of strange because if you look at John Cena, his
initials are j C. Okay, Now, whenever John Cena first
started wrestling, he came out or whenever he he started

(02:37:51):
wrestling in this weird gimmick where he was basically this thug,
right John Cena, he would always wear a jersey and
that jersey number was thirty three. Okay, let's let's just
throw that out there real quick. John Cena is known
right now in wrestling as the goat the greatest of
all time. John Cena is known as that right now.

(02:38:11):
That's what everybody refers to him in wrestling. Everybody knows
that he is the goat right now. It's like everybody
calls the the I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:38:20):
Like like saying Lebron James is the goat. It's basically
an insult to the sport.

Speaker 2 (02:38:25):
No, it's more of like you know, he held it
down for the longest period of time and he was.

Speaker 1 (02:38:31):
I think Rick Flair would disagree, but all right.

Speaker 2 (02:38:35):
I mean anyway, that's what they call him. He's the goat, right,
And so I started looking it up here for a second,
and I saw.

Speaker 3 (02:38:46):
Sean Cena in to the script as almost like a
way like it was almost like the rock or somebody
passed to baton John Cena.

Speaker 2 (02:38:54):
Yes, absolutely, And it's funny because the rock being the
Brahma Bull and now it gets pass to JC. Right,
And so I typed in John Cena's name into Gomatria
just out of curiosity. See if it correlates with anything.
Let's get weird. Why not, right, John Cena? If we
are looking at the Jewish Gomatrio, So there's three different

(02:39:17):
ways of looking at Gomatrio. So there's Jewish, there's English,
and they're simple. I like to look at the Jewish
one because it's a Jewish thing. So why not, all right?
And so if you type in John Cena and it
brings up the Jewish number of well it results in
the number of seven hundred and forty seven, right, Jewish
Jamatria or Gomatria rather, you know what else equals seven?

Speaker 1 (02:39:41):
Seven?

Speaker 2 (02:39:42):
Let's just get weird. How about son of Saturn?

Speaker 3 (02:39:47):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:39:48):
How about hypnosis? What else is there there? There's a
couple of different ones. I just thought that it was
strange and the fact add in the fact that you
can't see me, right, like is it? I mean, are
we just to take it that extra step?

Speaker 3 (02:40:05):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:40:06):
Are they trying to spit in the face of Jesus
by bringing in J. C. John Cena? He is wearing
number thirty three? And how about by the way, he
used to wear these brass knuckles. Check this out. I mean,
I could be tripping, right, But on his brass knuckles
it had two words written out, word life.

Speaker 1 (02:40:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:40:27):
Isn't that what Jesus like kind of stood for, Like
he was the word made manifest and nobody can have
eternal life except for anybody that gives their life to him.
So I just thought that is either a strange coincidence
or that is extremely symbolic.

Speaker 3 (02:40:43):
Maybe they took the arc type of Jesus and wrote
it into this wrestler's.

Speaker 2 (02:40:48):
You know, Bethos, It's possible. It's possible.

Speaker 1 (02:40:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:40:52):
I just thought that it was. I mean, I'm just
getting weird with my conspiratorial brain. I can't help myself.

Speaker 3 (02:40:57):
But this does happen. Like I saw an interview the
other day with Jack Kirby, who worked for Stanley over
at Marvel, and he said that he was talking about
how for the Silver Surfer, which I would say is
loaded with all kinds of esoteric stuff and metaphysical stuff
and like extra dimensional stuff as well. But he was,

(02:41:19):
He's he something came over him and he had this
inclination to go to the Bible and pull ideas from
the Bible for Silver Surfer, and that's how he got
the character Gigantis. I think it was. It's like the
god like being in Silver Surfer.

Speaker 2 (02:41:36):
Oh, Galactus, I think, yes, Galacticus. I just saw the
New Fantastic four. It was fucking awesome.

Speaker 3 (02:41:41):
Yeah, So but was it?

Speaker 2 (02:41:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:41:43):
I do.

Speaker 2 (02:41:44):
It was awesome. I loved it.

Speaker 3 (02:41:45):
But he and there's more to it that he was
he was deriving ideas directly from the Bible. He was
taking these archetypes and writing them directly into these characters
and the comic books. You know, Stanley and Kirby did this.
They used Howard Hughes as an arch type.

Speaker 2 (02:42:04):
Yeah they did, Yeah, as Tony starkstad I think, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:42:07):
Yeah, And I mean there's a whole we just talked
about this a couple of days ago. I forget who
it was, but basically said that the majority of the
superheroes from Marvel Verse are supposed to be demonically derived. Essentially,
every one of these superheroes has some sort of a
evil archetype or satanic entity that they were using as

(02:42:28):
like the basis for the inspiration for their for their
superpowers and all these things.

Speaker 3 (02:42:34):
I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (02:42:39):
Or, who's dating.

Speaker 2 (02:42:41):
Gomorrah? Right, yeah, he's half man, half god. He's in
love with Gomorra. I don't know. I thought, you know,
Chris Pratt being a Christian man, I don't know if
he noticed that weird correlation or not, but I thought
that it was kind of strange.

Speaker 3 (02:42:54):
Yeah. Well, you know, even going back to like the
Howard Hughes thing, somehow now they knew things about Howard
Hughes that weren't very well known there. You know, we're
still picking up the pieces of all the things that
that guy was into and his rocket company first of all,
was apparently it was supposed to be a private company,

(02:43:15):
but it was functioned like a government company. Like the
government was totally intertwined with his his airplane business. What forget,
it's called Hughes Airships or something.

Speaker 4 (02:43:27):
I don't remember, but it's the same as like how
Boeing the airplane company is also one of the big
three military industrial complex people in America.

Speaker 1 (02:43:35):
So it works out he just.

Speaker 3 (02:43:38):
Was standing side by side with America, the government, Hughes was,
and he was intimately like tied in with them, and
they're workings and stuff and like even like when Jack
Parsons got in trouble working for Hughes at his airship,
his aerospace company, the government came in and prosecuted Parsons

(02:43:59):
and disciplined Parsons for that. It's like, why is you
know so anyway, like but Parsons was, I'm sorry. Hughes
was doing stuff. He had dumbs. It's come out that
he had his own deep underground military base. He was
working with the military with that, and he was over
in He had an underground base at the at the

(02:44:21):
base of Mount contegu in, Spain, and they picked that
region because it was a region where still to this day,
locals can show you where there are natural portals, go
up and go into a natural portal location. Apparently you
can ast you travel in there and do all kinds
of crazy stuff. Caught wind of it and was went

(02:44:44):
up there to work with the National Portals. And then
he puts together this team, this like misfit team of
like CIA, Southsayers and Nazi sciences, and they establish a
base down there and they try to recreate the portals. Wow,
he was into some wild stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:45:04):
That perfectly correlates with hydra.

Speaker 3 (02:45:06):
Yeah, but stan Lee and Jack Kirby knew that Hughes
was doing this kind of stuff, apparently because they wrote
it into their you know, their Marvel verse.

Speaker 2 (02:45:18):
Oh, it's the entire Tony Tony Stark story.

Speaker 3 (02:45:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:45:21):
Here's a fun fact about Howard Hughes that most people
don't know. How About he dated a fifteen year old
when he was thirty six.

Speaker 4 (02:45:28):
Also a thing that people don't necessarily know about him.
How About he made porn did he? It was a
movie that he made about Billy the Kid, But there
were some very sexually explicit things in it that for
the day and age, was pretty much just pornography. And
so this guy who was this master engineer, genius guy
who also had OCD, wasn't eccentric, was a basically a

(02:45:51):
psychopath by a lot of people's accounts. Was also buying locations,
like Tim just said about some very specific possibly occult
things going on. Then he's dating a fifteen year old
and was publicly caught with her multiple times and was
not shy about this. Then need essentially porn in his
day and age, there was a lot that he had

(02:46:14):
going on. H Yeah, he might have been a genius
in certain regards, but he also I think was dabbling
in a lot of things with what possibly sex magic,
some of the occult some of the adrenochrome. I could
see it all.

Speaker 1 (02:46:29):
I think.

Speaker 3 (02:46:30):
I think he was intimately involved with with occultists and
and doing occult matters. Yeah, that's why he had the
Nazi scientists down there, and that's why he was working
with literal soothsayers. There was a Norwegian pilot who lives
in that area of Spain who came out and said
he went into the base and saw them all there.
Nazis were there, the Southsayers were there, all of it.

(02:46:53):
And Hughes, Yeah, man like that. His rabbit hole goes
deep bro and I forgot what else? What else I
was going to say, it was something I was going
to say about him, But.

Speaker 2 (02:47:04):
Yeah, seeing that train, Yeah, it's uh, it's pretty wild
when you start looking into that kind of symbolism.

Speaker 3 (02:47:12):
I was gonna say. I think too, that he is
the He's almost like the original Bruce Wayne Fellas. And
I think that plays right into his death or the
story that we're told concerning his death. They say that
he for the last years of his life, he isolates
himself in the top of a like a casino hotel

(02:47:34):
or something like that in Las Vegas. They say he
just lived at the top floor, became a hermit, wouldn't
even do interviews, wouldn't talk to people in person. I
don't know that that happened. I think that he put
that on so that he could go sneak out and
do Bruce Wayne stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:47:53):
Batman stuff wouldn't be that crazy, especially if you look
at like he was involved in produce seeing a lot
of movies too. I didn't know so he was involved
in where was it?

Speaker 3 (02:48:07):
Yes, you see what I'm saying there, right, Like you
remember how how in Batman, you know Bruce Wayne his
public persona is is eccentric billionaire, kind of a hermit,
you know, kind of runs his company from his couch,
kind of a thing. Like he's not out in public much. Well,
but at night he's going out as Batman, right, Like

(02:48:28):
he's living a double life. I just I think that's
what was going on.

Speaker 2 (02:48:32):
That's actually funny. A lot of people have put that together.
I'm seeing it, says Howard Hughes. The famous businessman, aviator,
and recluse, is often cited as an inspiration for Batman's
alter ego Bruce Wayne. Both characters share the persona of
a wealthy, eccentric playboy with a pensiont for inventing gadgets,
and a mysterious brooding nature. Additionally, Christopher Nolan, the director

(02:48:52):
of the Batman film series, had initially planned a Howard
Hughes biopic before focusing on Batman. Begins, WHOA, I didn't
know any of that. That's wild, Holy shit, that is awesome, insane.
I love all this dorky shit. It's my favorite.

Speaker 3 (02:49:11):
They I think he did kind of go crazy because
that's part of the story too. It's like, why did
he isolate himself in this hotel? Well, it's because he
was going crazy. He was. He wasn't cutting his hair.
His nails grew out real long. From what I can
gather from just breeding, you know people in this circle,

(02:49:34):
what was going on in real life with Howard Hughes
was he had fried his brain by going through portals.
He got so obsessed with portals that he traveled too much.
I hope that's real something I know, something to do
with going into portals. You know, it messes with you

(02:49:57):
over time. It like fries like I don't know, like
brain or something like that.

Speaker 2 (02:50:03):
Similar to psychedelics, which you feel like.

Speaker 1 (02:50:07):
Maybe he figured out time travel. He was a fucking
genius who had Nazi scientists working with like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:50:13):
One of the people close to him said that a
sometimes if he was like extra fried out from portal travel,
a cockroach on the wall would look like a dinosaur
to him, and then he would like get all weird
about it.

Speaker 2 (02:50:27):
That sounds psycholatic from adrenochrome. Dog That sounds yeah, well,
I don't know about it. Possibly a drenochrome. I mean,
he was dealing in Hollywood, so I wouldn't doubt it.

Speaker 1 (02:50:36):
I just saw an article comparing him to the early
Harvey Weinstein. Oh yeah, he was a He had a
few films that he made that did extremely well. I
my dad.

Speaker 4 (02:50:48):
One of them, Cock of the Air. I should throw
that one out. Wasn't a porno, Wasn't That was just
a fucking a comedy. But even still, it's he he
had a lot of a lot of fingers in a
lot of pie figuratively speaking, of course.

Speaker 1 (02:51:01):
But yeah, when you look at who his circle.

Speaker 4 (02:51:04):
Was, who his click was, and especially in the day
and age where he was at his peak, the only
way you were getting in with that click is if
you got down with whatever they got down with. And
this is back in the day when rules were kind
of more of a suggestion to a lot of these
wealthy elites. And I mean they are still to this day,
not as much as back in the early to mid

(02:51:27):
nineteen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (02:51:28):
God, I feel old that I had.

Speaker 2 (02:51:30):
Where were you born in nineteen hundreds, Jacob?

Speaker 1 (02:51:33):
Yeah, yeah, so were youthful.

Speaker 3 (02:51:35):
They didn't have everybody in the room with them filming
them on cell phones.

Speaker 1 (02:51:40):
Right, one hundred percent media and all that.

Speaker 3 (02:51:43):
Man, Yeah, heughses man, And that's what they said that
Geronimo was doing that too, The great warrioristic of the
Native Americans. Geronimo was able to utilize portals. They said
that he could go in a portal and and like
show up somewhere else. Geographically, he was that in tune,

(02:52:06):
like he was like a monk warrior. And again, you know,
just going back to everything we've talked about, you know,
including unicorns and Bigfoot whatever else, it's like some of
this stuff is real, we just don't know about it.

Speaker 2 (02:52:26):
I really think so. A lot of this shit is
hidden the you know, the victors write the history books
and all of that. We know this stuff. That's why
we love our job because we have accepted that as fact.
We have accepted that there are breadcrumbs out there and
it's up to us to piece it all back together.
Not even just us, all the conspiracy theorists out there,

(02:52:46):
all the Cult members out there with that third eye
all the way open. And I just love it whenever
people come together. And that's what's to be honest, bro,
That's why the Cult member live shows on Tuesday nights
are so great because it's a collective. So Tim, I'm
gonna you got to come on one of these live
shows one of these times.

Speaker 1 (02:53:05):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (02:53:06):
I want to get you and uh, you know a
couple other people that we're working with, you know, and
I think that it would be great to get everybody
on for a live show one night. What do you think, Jacob?

Speaker 4 (02:53:16):
Oh absolutely, dude, one hundred percent. I think, Tim, what
are you doing on your average Tuesday night at nine
pm Central?

Speaker 3 (02:53:24):
That's when I usually podcast anyway. So I'll just make
it happen with you guys one of those Tuesdays.

Speaker 2 (02:53:29):
Oh yeah, dude, Yeah, that would be awesome. And so yeah,
I think we're probably gonna wrap it up right about now.

Speaker 3 (02:53:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:53:39):
Well, look, uh, Tim, I mean for the for the
people out there, the good cult members out there that
are not on or that are not aware that you
are part of our podcast network that we have built,
can you tell them a little bit about what you're
posting on the weekend? Sir?

Speaker 3 (02:53:56):
Yeah, every Sunday over at the Conspiracy I do a
show called Conspiracy Garden, and it is what the name entels.
It's kind of like an episode of like what we
just recorded, you know, like where we, like you said,
we try to put the pieces of the puzzle together,

(02:54:18):
not to be cliche, but everybody's got their piece of
the puzzle. And that's why I like to go out
and talk to different people who are researchers, who are thinkers,
who have they know something's a little bent with the narrative.
We're told something's a little off, so they're going to
try to go around and peek behind the curtain and
see what's really going on in the behind the scenes world.
I talk to those people and we bring all of

(02:54:40):
our ideas, all of our puzzle pieces, put them on
the table, and we talk about it. And that's what
I do with Conspiracy Garden. And I appreciate you guys
allowing me to run that show. It's been great so far,
and let's keep it going. And my other show is
sixth Censory Podcast. I spell it out six and it's conspiracies,

(02:55:03):
it's hidden history, it's alternative theories. It's all that. You
can find me on YouTube, Spotify, Patreon, and Apple.

Speaker 2 (02:55:12):
Awesome. All right, good cult members, make sure you tune
in every Sunday for that Conspiracy Garden, and of course
go check out the Sixth Censory Podcast. Love you, Tim Man,
You are awesome. I love everything that you bring to
the show. You just tickle my my conspiracy pickle in
a good way, not that there's a bad way to
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(02:55:32):
to tickle it all the time, every which way. But
but yeah, that being said, we appreciate you coming on.
We appreciate you being part of this cult network, sir,
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(02:55:53):
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