Cajun Knight Live 15

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to another edition of The
Cajun Night Live. I am your host, Jacob Mook, the
Cajun Knight, And as always, we do have a few
things that I would like to talk about on this evening.
Some geopolitical, some American kerfuffling going on here. I don't
know if anybody's heard about this, but Northrop Grumming just
had an explosion at one of their munitions manufacturing facilities

(00:27):
in Utah. We'll be discussing it. Also, a Facebook whistleblower.
I guess I don't want to just say Facebook, right,
it's the metaverse and all of that has come forward
before US representatives to explain how Zuckerberg completely sold us
out to the CCP, knowingly, belligerently, all the things alongside that.

(00:51):
Apparently the tariff war that's going on. China just blinked
and has agreed to come to the negotiation table after
Trump hit them with a collective two hundred and forty
five percent tariff rate. We're gonna talk about that too. Also,
Chernobyl might be healing itself. Apparently there is a new
black fungus that is actually drinking in it's feeding itself

(01:16):
off of toxic radiation, and I don't know how this
has happened. Nature finds a way, you know, I have
my religious beliefs as to how nature finds away. Some
people will say that it's science and evolution fixing itself.
Either way you want to slice it, that's good shit.
We have a lot of good things to discuss on
this evening. So as we move on, I'm going to

(01:36):
take a little gander over here at the chat. Royce
Sen sends something in here, what is this dead woman
turning up in New England? Beach Town's police denial way, whoa, whoa?
We got a serial killer in New England eventually, potentially allegedly. Okay,
all right, well hey why not. I'm gonna pull that
one up too. We'll see what the time looks like

(01:59):
if we get to the end of it it. Oh man,
oh wow, okay, yeah, this is from people, so yes,
I know it's a tabloid. Me me me, you know,
I A if we have a new serial killer on
the lose, I think we should discuss it, so, uh,
you know, to start, let's go ahead and get in
on the Facebook conversation. I'm gonna go ahead and share
the screen at this time. And for anybody that is

(02:20):
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And there's only one tier for injury. Not trying to
have no kind of other whole side hustle here. It's
just a way to uh get this collective group, all

(02:42):
of the same mindset to be a part of this conversation.
This is a ten minute long video. I'm not gonna
play all of it. I want to play maybe like
six minutes of it, but I do want to stop
and talk about a few things along the way. So
just off the title here. This is from Forbes Breaking News.
Facebook whistleblower makes shot claim about Mark Zuckerberg during senate testimony.
Y'all get ready for this one, because Zuckerberg has had

(03:05):
this weird character arc, if you will, right under the
Biden administration, he was that weird alien dude that was
sitting on top of two separate couch cushions when he
was testifying, right, and he had like this whole thing
where he was drinking water like some sort of animatronic thing.
All of a sudden he starts doing BJJ. He lets
his hair grow out a little bit, and then he
goes on Rogan like six months ago, and he seems

(03:27):
like a normal, almost bro, like an almost normal guy.
Then we find out these things about him and it's like, ooh, man,
that character arc age like milk. But let's listen in.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
They all turn it over to you, Thanks very much,
missus chairman. In order to operate in China, the Kindis
Party requires American companies to register with authorities and host
servers inside the country. And I think it's pretty well
known that Chinese law requires that security services are allowed

(04:04):
access to any data hosted within the country. Did any
of Facebook's security team or its engineers raise concerns to
management about American's private information being exposed to Chinese.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
Spye, Yes, Senata, they did.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
How did they do that?

Speaker 3 (04:29):
They documented their concern in a number of ways. They
noted that this would happen, that the Chinese would get
access to the data, and they also noted that they're
concerned in other discussions and other documentations saying, you know,
my red line as a security engineer is to not

(04:53):
be comfortable with us, But my red line is not
Mark Zuckerberg's red line.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Maybe you can explain what you mean by that.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
The engineer was saying that they were not comfortable with
the way the China Project was structured that would allow
the Chinese Communist Party to potentially access American citizens data.
But in saying that, they noted that, you know, that's

(05:23):
a red line for me as a security engineer. That's
not Mark Zuckerbog's red line.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Did you sense he had any red line?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
If he did, you don't know what it was.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
I don't right off the rip here just gonna say.
And they talk about this as like a backdated conversation
like this was you know, a few years back or whatever.
Then they kind of go into that this is more modern,
as in within the last twelve months. This is not good.
This is not a good look for us. And yes,

(05:57):
I understand everybody I harp on West Taiwan aka China
being America's biggest threat at this time, and that is
a very true statement. And That's why a lot of
the people in DC, namely Trump is coming at them
in the way that they are, although he's doing it
for tariff and trade reasons. The data situation is something

(06:20):
that we've talked about it at length as far as
why that's so dangerous for them to get American data
in that way. And that's a very good point. For
anything of the metaverse to operate inside of China, they
have to operate off of Chinese servers that are owned
in part by the CCP, and they have to have
access to all of that. Those servers can go backwards, right,

(06:43):
It's like hacking a system. There's always a backdoor. If
you're able to hack in to the servers located in China,
then you're able to hack into the entire metaverse through
the servers in China. And apparently Zuckerberg knew about this
and said, yeah, run it, but let's continue.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
If you have more information related to these spying risks,
would you be willing to share it with a committee?
I would, Senator, And Mark Zuckerberg was knowledgeable about the planning,
and do you know whether he was knowledgeable about the
risks as well.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
My understanding is that the risk is the hardest part
of the plan, so it's unthinkable that he was not
aware of the risk.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Nothing happened here without his approval and knowledge.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
This was a project unlike any other project I worked
on during my time. It matter and that it was
so centrally led by Mark Zuckerberg, and he was so
personally invested in this project. He learned Mandarin, he traveled
to China more than any other country, He had weakly

(08:00):
Mandarin sessions with employees, and this was It's hard to
overstate how different this project was to any other project
I experienced in my many years of the company.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
So there would be no credibility to his denying that
he knew about the risks. He knew about the concerns
raised by his engineers and his China team, and he
was intimately involved in not only the planning and the engineering,
but also in taking those risks Sanator.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
He was traveling to Beijing.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
In the documents submitted to.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
The Okay, real quick, real quick, Yeah, that's some pretty
damning evidence like Okay, your boy picking up a second
language or I don't know how many languages Marcus Zuckerberg speaks,
but fine, learning Mandarin. That is a red flag, but
only if you're looking for it to be a red flag.
I understand that, right, Fine, giving the credit where it's due,

(09:07):
going and having weekly meetings with representatives in China that
over of course are of the CCP, and then going
to Beijing to have these kinds of formal face to
face meetings about all of this, knowing full well the
security risks and saying yeah, run it. It's just it's
part of this business. Yeah, massive red flag. And again

(09:29):
I would personally say, arguably treason is but we're going.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
To continue subcommittee. Facebook appears to have been willing to
provide the data of users in Hong Kong to the
Chinese government at a time when pro democracy protesters were
opposing Beijing's crackdown. Is that impression correct and how did

(09:53):
Facebook treat Taiwan or Hong Kong?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
That impression is correct. And one of the more surprising
things is that as part of the censorship tool that
was developed, there were virality counters, So anytime a piece
of content got over ten thousand views, that would automatically

(10:22):
trigger it being reviewed by what they called the chief editor.
And what was particularly surprising is that the virality counters
were not just installed, but activated in Hong Kong and
also in Taiwan.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
All right, let's just make sure we heard that one right. Okay.
So they literally had a filter on this to where
any post, any thread, anything that was going on in
metaverse that got over ten thousand views or shares or anything. Okay.
Ten thousand is not a big number as far as
the world of content creation goes, right, as far as

(11:04):
the world of social media goes, if something got ten
thousand hits of any type, it would immediately get viewed
by the chief editor again, a representative from the CCP
for review to make sure that it wasn't putting anything
in a negative light quote unquote, specifically in Hong Kong

(11:24):
and Taiwan. And Zuckerberg said, yeah, run that shit, all right,
all right, let.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Me ask you. I raised in my remarks, and I
know that a number of other colleagues did as well,
the record of misrepresentation and to see one of our
former colleagues. Senator Lahy asked Mark Zuckerberg in twenty eighteen
whether Facebook would comply with Chinese censorship and surveillance demand.

(11:59):
Even asked if Facebook had built censorship tools to enter
the Chinese market, and Zuckerberg responded, I'm quoting because Facebook
has been blocked in China since two thousand and nine.
We are not in a position to know exactly how
the government would seek to apply its laws and regulations

(12:19):
on content were we permitted to offer our service to
Chinese users. Ms Williams, was that accurate?

Speaker 4 (12:30):
That is not accurate.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
You know, hundreds of decisions had been made, and by
twenty eighteen, they'd been in dialogue directly with the Chinese
Communist Party for four years.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
The fact is, by twenty eighteen, Facebook built, it even
turned on censorship and surveillance tools that it developed. It
developed for Chinese security officials.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Correct, it developed, and those Chinese Communist Party officials tested
the censorship tool, and we'll give feedback and say this
needs to change, or we need this, or we need
confidence that you can capture images and filter images we
don't want seeing it.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
You know, we talk a lot about nineteen eighty four,
Facebook developed a Varrylity counter tool that directed any posts
of over ten thousand views to be reviewed by an
Orwellian named quote unquote chief editor. Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (13:40):
That's correct?

Speaker 2 (13:41):
And was the chief editor's geographic reach limited to mainland
China or did they plan to cover other locations.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
They planned to cover Hong Kong and Taiwan, as.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
My understanding, so their surveillance operation was directed at Taiwan
on that's my understanding.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
Session.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
And now that also, yeah, I understand that makes sense,
right because China is of the belief that Taiwan is
theirs or something, and they were also of the belief
that Hong Kong should be a part of China. That
was the whole reason for the uh, for the the
riots and all of that that happened not too terribly

(14:23):
long ago. But yeah, so I know what they're trying
to get at here, and they don't expressly say it,
but essentially they are getting at the point to where
they're saying that China is just going to do that
only on Chinese territory. Right, Obviously they're not. They're not
gonna do that to any other country. However, they had

(14:44):
the ability to because the metaverse is in fact one
cohesive metaverse. Yes, I'm sure it differs country to country
and region or region, it's only a hack away any
of it's only a hack away. So if they were
putting a virility counter on Taiwanese and Kong posts at
that time, for the principle of trying to make sure

(15:04):
that everything was in line and following in with you
know what the CCP deemed to be appropriate. Yeah, that's
not that's not positive, y'all. This is not a good
thing for anybody, especially not America, and the fact that
Zuck lied overtly lied about all of it is a
reason for concern, if nothing else. So once again, I'm
not saying fully treason this, but I'm also saying that

(15:27):
I trust Zuck even less than I already did. Merlin,
I see your hand raise, Please go ahead.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
Well, I was just reading the article on the tech spot,
and it also says that since this happened, her book
sales have gone through the root. I could believe that,
but also that let me find out.

Speaker 6 (15:48):
Part of the art.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
There was an article.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
Meta has denied allegations, with spokesman Andy Stone calling her
claims divorced from reality. He acknowledged that the company explored
entering the Chinese market more than a decade ago, but
emphasize that Meta does not coop does not operate services
in JHN also accused when Williams of reviving outdated and
false accusations for the best selling memoir Careless People, A

(16:17):
Cautionary Tale of power greed. Yeah, but that's what they're
saying about it crazy.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
It makes sense that they would also take an oppositional
stance to this and for the oh yeah God to
be able to show her sipts. That's all I'm saying,
because she is making some very very bold claims. And
I'm not even saying bold isn't like hard to believe.
I'm just saying overall that is, uh, that's damning uh accusations.
So let's hope, let's hope and pray that that is

(16:47):
not what happened. Zuck seriously didn't sell out the metaverse
to the CCP, But you know, I honestly don't know.
I don't trust him anyway. I didn't trust him before
I heard any of these things, especially with China being
what they are. I'm gonna let my favorite Taiwanese man
speak on this at this moment, Donald Trump, don't trust China.
China is ass ho. I fucking love that guy, like

(17:09):
I think he's done my actual spirit animal. I wish
I knew his name. I wish I can get him
on the show. He's just great. Donal Trump, don't trust China.
China is ass ho. Yes, I know I'm not mature
enough to have certain conversations this guy. I have a
feel I'm gonna be playing more from him in a pit.
But anyway, all right, all right, so let's shift off

(17:31):
of China for a moment, and then we're gonna talk
back about China here in a minute. All right. I
did want to shift gears, though, towards this black fungus
that might be healing Chernobyl by drinking the radiation. All right,
this is this is insane. It's through a process very
similar to photosynthesis, but photo radiation synthesis. But I'm probably

(17:51):
butchering how that's pronounced. That's right, Let's read in on this.
This is from a Forbes article. The explosion of the
Number four reactor in Chernobyl Nuclear power Plant near pre Piat,
probably mispronouncing that in Ukraine on April twenty six, nineteen
eighty six, remains the worst nuclear disaster in human history.
It left a thirty kilometer exclusion zone, a deserted landscape
where high radiation levels remained even now, decades after the incident,

(18:15):
where human settlement and habitations are restricted within this zone. However,
scientists have discovered an unlikely survivor, a resilient black fungus
called yeah, I'm not even gonna try to pronounce that ladin, sorry, y'all.
After the Chernobyl disaster, scientists observe patches of blackened growths
on the walls of the Number four reactor fung guy
that seemed to thrive where radiation was highest. This is

(18:37):
actually a picture of it, and it kind of looks
like a black sand dollar almost. I'm sure I don't
know the actual size of that. I don't know that's
like the size of a quarter or the size of like,
you know, a doablloon or whatever, but like, yeah, I
could kind of see that the fungus has adapted to
a level of radiation that would like that would be
lethal for most life forms. Even more fascinating is its

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ability to feed on this radiation, using it as a
source of energy, similar to how plants use sunlight for photosynthesis.
Further research discovered that spoor and some other black fungi
species like geez, there's so many of these big words,
all right, other types of black fung guy species possess melanin,
the pigment responsible for human skin color. However, in these fungui,

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the melanin serves a different purpose. It absorbed radiation, which
was then converted into usable energy, allowing it to grow
in areas with intense radioactive exposure. Now, the fungus itself
belongs to a group of fung guid known as radiotropic fungui.
Radiotropic organisms can capture and utilize ionizing radiation to drive

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metabolic metabolic processes. In the case of this particular black
fung god, its high melanin content allows it to absorb radiation,
similar to how plants absorb sunlight through chlorophyll. According to
an October two thousand and eight article published in the
National Library of Medicine, while this process is not identical
to photosynthesis, it serves as a comparable purpose and converts

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energy from the environment to sustained growth. This phenomenon, called radiosynthesis,
has opened up exciting avenues in biochemistry and radiation research,
which I personally just on my own little two cents here,
that is amazing. Literally, nature finds a way to fix
itself even when humans do shit to destroy it. It's beautiful,

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but anyway, melanin, found in many living organisms, acts as
a natural shield against UV radiation. However, in this black
fung guy, it does more than shield. It facilitates energy
production by converting gamma radiation into chemical energy. An article
published in the journal plus one in two thousand and
seven confirmed this unusual energy production mechanism, showing that fung gui,

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like the black fung guy here, grown in high radiation
environments tends to grow faster than those in non radioactive conditions.
It is a discovery that is reshaping scientists understanding of
the survival strategies of extremophiles, organisms that can withstand extreme
environmental conditions. I think also i've heard that term be used.

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What's that volcanic snail that has like an iron shell
and it lives like near the lava. I think they
also consider that an extremophile. Anyway, radiotropic fung guy may
be an ally in battling radiation. The discovery of this
new fung guy in the Chernobyl exclusion zone has brought
renewed attention to the radiotropic fung guy, particularly for their

(21:34):
potential role in bioremediation, the process of using living organisms
to remove pollutants from the environment. In radioactive sites like Chernobyl,
where conventional cleanup methods are challenging and hazardous, radiotropic fung
guy can provide a safer, natural alternative, according to an
April two thousand and eight article published in Film's Microbiology Letter,

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Since this fung guy can absorb radiation and use it
as fuel, scientists are exploring the feasibility of deploying these
fung gui to contain and potentially reduce radiation levels in
contaminated areas Beyond the borders of the exclusion zones. Scientists
are investigating other applications, especially in the field of space exploration. Okay,
the harsh, radiation heavy environment of space is one of

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the most significant challenges facing long term missions to Mars
and beyond. This fun guy has already been seen, has
already been sent rather to the International Space Station for
experiments to determine whether its unique radiation tolerance could protect
astronauts from cosmic radiation. Early results have been promising, suggesting
that this fung guy could potentially be used to develop

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radiation resistant habitats or even provide radiation shielding shielded food sources.
For space travelers. All right, so I see two hands
raised Merlin, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Oh shit, my bad, I forgot to unraise my hand.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Oh all good things, all right, go ahead.

Speaker 7 (22:56):
Raven I dropped in the chat two different links. One
link the last the link that I just did. Is
it actually a scientific if people wanted.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
To read it.

Speaker 7 (23:08):
It's like really scientific about the black fungi and like
all the different ways that they are using it in
the black yeast, and how they've like pretty much they've
been stressing it. They stress test it to see what
it can survive. Stress simulation experiments demonstrated that the organism
can withstand physiochemical stress factors even far beyond those of

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natural habitats. And it was I read the other article
was talking about the capacity of this organism is consense
radioactivity and.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
Directly grows towards it.

Speaker 7 (23:47):
And it's not only growing in spite of the radiation,
it's changing and manipulating itself because of it. There's actually
this is actually really fascinating. I've read like four articles
since you brought it up.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Wow, And I mean that's the thing. I had never
even heard of this. You're actually the one that sent
me this article. Was it yesterday, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (24:09):
It's it actually was discovered in nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one,
five years after the disaster, they piloted a robot and
they discovered the jet black fungus growing on the inside
of the reactors. After that, a team of microbiologists and
virologists went into the site regularly. Their first impressions were

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like they were talking about that it was really sad,
but they could tell that this organism was growing a
whole bunch And then through the nineties they went a
whole bunch of times and found that over two hundred
fungal species are growing at the site, including the jet
black fungi with the melanin pigment in it pigment in it.
And then that's when they hypothesized, like why is it

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there and what is it doing? And they found that
its ionizing radiation altered the structure of the melon in
molecules in a way that it encouraged this fungi to
grow faster than identical samples that were not exposed radiation,
and the closer the fungui was to the source of radiation,
the more melanin was expressed. In short, the black fung
guy were not only growing in spite of the radiation,

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they were changing and growing because of it.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
So now I'm wondering, and I don't know if the
article you're reading has said anything about it. So is
this a new species? Jesus, I can't speak? Is this
a new species altogether? Like did this just one hundred
years ago? Or did this grow because the conditions were
right inside of that burned out reactor for it to
form on its own?

Speaker 7 (25:39):
It looks like so that the really scientific species like
a species. The scientific one that I'm reading is talking
that it has like multiple types in this group of family,
and that this one in particular is they haven't seen
it grow before because it didn't have the extreme environments
to grow in. But this is a part of this

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species that has been found all over the place in
harsh climates, and so it looks like it says Additionally,
the substantial parts of isolates from stressing environments is represented
by microcolonies of fungi and black yeast. So it's a
yes and no, Like this is a new it's it's

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changing how it's the melanin is reacting, so it technically
is a new species.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Okay, so it's been around, but it's also because the
conditions are right, it was able to thrive rather than
just kind of growing a lab somewhere.

Speaker 7 (26:39):
Uh yeah, well, like like they said that it's changing
the actual molecular level on how it interacts because it's
growing to the radiation and it's changing how it's absorbing
the melanin, and it's increasing instead of decreasing. So I
was trying to read the entire art because I was

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trying to get to this space part about it because
I wanted to see what it said about that part.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, see what you can find on that, because I'm
going to read this next part here, the power of
adaptation to drive innovation. Here, it says, in addition to
its unique feeding habits, this fungus is also renowned for
its hard hardenedness excuse me. It can withstand low temperatures,
high salt concentrations, and extreme acidity, making one of the
most resilient fungi ever discovered. Its ability to adapt to

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hostile environments has given researchers hope that it may hold
clues to further studies into stress tolerance mechanisms, which could
lead to advancements in biotechnology and agriculture. For example, genes
responsible for this hardiness and resilience might one day be
used to develop radiation resistant materials or be adapted to
help crop survive harsh climates. This fungus also hopes to

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offers hope in addressing some pressing environmental challenges. It could
possibly play a role in cleaning up radioactive waste. Sure
as results excuse me as research continues. The lessons we
learn from this amazing fun guy could inspire innovation in
a wide range of fields and in the process, understanding
the boundaries of life itself. Now that I'm gonna try

(28:08):
my damnedest to pronounce this clautosporium spharospurmum clatosporium spa of
firnumps yup boy. One day one I would love to
learn how to speak Latin and Greek and Hebrew, but
like I have a you know, some would argue a

(28:31):
horrible working understanding of the American English dialect. But yeah,
that it sounds. It sounds just like a mouthful here.
But okay, Now, as far as the space stuff goes,
sending it to the ISS for UH testing to see
how it would do again, solar radiation out in space. Okay,
I hear that that's good things. I don't necessarily know

(28:52):
how they plan on using that to yield crops unless
they are this would be what would lead to possibly
like the terraforming of Mars. Right, if they were to
build some sort of a dome structure, and if Elon
actually is able to put people on Mars and this
whole thing, you would need some sort of plant life
that could take solar radiation to that level and feed

(29:15):
off of it and protect against in all these things.
I'm not wise enough in the world of agriculture to
understand how a fungus that white thrive in that environment
could help other plants do the same, unless they're talking
about doing some sort of a crazy gene splicing situation,
which maybe quite possibly. We keep hearing things about these

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dire wolves that they brought out, which are not actually
dire wolves, but they keep acting like they are. But
if they were able to do some sort of a
cross breed or gene splice with the black fungui that
can eat radiation and a plant that could thrive and
possibly feed humans, Okay, that's say viable option here. I

(29:57):
don't know if you've found anything as far as the
space side of things go. But that's that is pretty remarkable.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
I'm still reading on it.

Speaker 7 (30:05):
It's the it's actually really interesting that they're talking about
all sorts of different stuff that they've put this through.
And I dropped it in the chat, like where it's
actually been found before because I was I misspoke. I mean,
from what I understood, it hadn't been found. But it
says the high diversity of black funk Guy has however,
been observed in rocky environments in sub arid areas of

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the Mediterranean, in the Arizona Desert, high Alpine regions, and
the Arctic and dry Antarctica valleys, where micro colony species
also known as rock inhibiting fungi, colonized exposed rock surfaces,
or living associations with.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (30:46):
Big words that like you know, they're they're hard time.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
If you can't pronounce them, then I got no chance.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
But you can't pronounce some of the stuff. I'm like, yep,
I got you.

Speaker 7 (30:57):
I'm currently it's it's a huge sign, aentific article and
it actually shows tons of photos and it breaks down.
I'm trying to get it to show drop it in
the chat. The mechanism stress tolerance that the fung guy
was put under.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
It's actually a really cool.

Speaker 7 (31:12):
Like it's this is a really interesting fungus because it
seems to be able to withstand pretty much everything. But
I wonder what they would use it for. That's what
I'm trying to get to. Like, it reminds me though
of that weird like movie where they had that weird
black fungus on board and then it was like came
back and like attacked everybody.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yeah, I know, I know the movie you're talking about.
Cannot remember the name of it, but yeah, one hundred percent.
And that's that was the other thing I was going
to say, like, all right, is there any potential dangers
with this? It seems on the onset like it's a
miracle fungus, right, And I see you in the chat there, Anthony.
If that mushroom is of the magic variety, it would
be an interesting trip. Dude. I don't know if i'd

(31:55):
even want to play with that. You're talking about a
mushroom that eats nuclear fall out to thrive. I don't
think I want that problem. I don't want to know
what that other side of the spirituality is with the
radiation fungus that I don't know. I guess you'll like
see the matrix of how nukes work that. Yeah, Merlin,

(32:17):
I see your hand raised brother, Go ahead.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (32:22):
Some of the uses I've seen for it, or that
they're speculating is cancer patients undergoing radiation therapy, creating safer
environments when those working in nuclear power plants, and potentially
helping us to avoid the next nuclear related detachment. Scientists
also hope that the black Funk Guy could be used

(32:44):
to develop a biological source of energy via radiation conversion,
but there are also more part fetched possibilities. Scientists wonder
if the process and radiosynthesis performed by the melon in
so of the fungu I could be applied to the
melonin and human skin cells, making our skin cells able
to turn radiation into food.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
So now they're trying to see if humans could do
their own version of photosynthesis.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
Yes, wow, which would help E where to live on Mars.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
That would be dope. That would be really cool, except
I'm irish as hell. I don't have melanin in my skin,
some hasty white boy. I will say that certain demographics
would benefit greatly from that, and like that would be dope.
But yeah, for anybody of Northern European descent it, you know,

(33:41):
I don't know, maybe they could make some sort I
don't even know if this would be safe to ingest.
Like I was gonna say, maybe they could make some
food out of it. I heard Raven earlier say they
were doing some sort of yeast with it. If there's
so much, I.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
Wonder how much you would need to put on the
Space Shuttle note to protect people from radiation.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Right, it's not like you're gonna get a living fungus
like that's not gonna make it through launch or through
the atmosphere any of that stuff. So it's yeah, you
would think I have no idea, But man, I mean,
I'm happy to hear that nature has provided a way
for us to clean up human made mess, you know
what I mean. But oh yeah, and there's nothing but
airon opportunities as far as what the scientific advancements can

(34:21):
show for this and other treatments and all these things,
like you said, like cancer patients, I don't know if
they mean they're gonna implant some fungus near a spot
that was getting heavy radiation treatment to kill a tumor
or if they're talking about making some sort of ingestible
uh medication treatment option. But there's a lot of potential

(34:41):
for good things here.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
So what happens if you're here with too much radiation?
Does it turn to the blob? Like that old ass movie?

Speaker 1 (34:48):
See that's that's the other thing, Just like Raven was saying,
there's a movie where like a satellite had this black
mold that kind of took over and did all this
so like, and that's the thing inside of the burned
out reactor in Chernobyl that's gotten no out thing but
radioactive ways for it to just drink in and grow
as big as it won. So it hasn't taken over
Chernobyl as of yet, So I guess that's kind of
a good litmus test. But at the same time, if

(35:11):
it was in the vacuum of space and had nothing
but solar radiation to eat, like, would it take over
the craft? I mean, as of now, the ISS hasn't
been taken over. Maybe it's a very controlled environment. I
don't know. I don't know. Again, this was this was
a wild one to bring up. Thank you Raven for
sharing this one with me. Zach I could bring it
up on this show. This is a weird thing I found.

Speaker 7 (35:32):
I found their astrobiology study section. It was like, they're
talking about life outside the planet, beyond the planet of Earth,
and they're talking about practical applications and considering.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
How biological organisms.

Speaker 7 (35:49):
May travel in space and view a space exploration, the
impact on how space agencies design missions, as well as
implications of planetary protection policies aiming to prevent the introduction
of Earth origin or the originated life that may mislead

(36:10):
future life detection missions. So it's like talking about potentially
like bringing them to other planets, like bringing it to
other planets and seeing like yep Mars and icy icy
moons I eat.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Antarctica is a part of it.

Speaker 7 (36:32):
To date, the studies have focused on testing the black
fungi survival to space conditions throughout different stimulations, and so
pretty much they want to take it to space.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
They want to see what happens.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I mean, so do I gonna be honest with you,
but yeah, I there's none but are an opportunity here
and I don't know, maybe there are some like serious
dangers and risks that are associated here that we just
don't know about and we don't see I'll be very
interested to see what the studies show and what their
tests show as as far as this goes with the

(37:06):
with the new studies that they're doing towards us new
I would say, evolutionarily new fung guy. That is incredible.
That's interesting stuff, y'all. Interesting stuff, all right. So now
let's shift over to a little bit of a kaboom
that happened in Utah with Northrop Grumman. Now, for anybody
who doesn't know who Northrop Grumman is, highly recommend you

(37:29):
go and check it out. They make a lot of
things that go boom for the United States government. Right,
they're one of our big military industrial contractors. And you know,
we're gonna listen to the little news article about it,
then we'll read a little bit more about it. It says here,
Northern Utah news crews respond to a fire after Utah
Northrop Grumman facility explodes.

Speaker 7 (37:48):
Tony, please say, a Northrop Grumman building is a total
loss after it exploded.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
It happened in the remote town of Promontory.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
That's where we find ABC fors Nate Larson.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Hey, do we know what may have caused us?

Speaker 8 (38:02):
You know, they're still speculating at this point, we haven't
had an update on what the actual explosion was caused from.
You can see the building though, just over my shoulder,
and all the walls have been blown out, so definitely
a total loss. We are told that the explosion was
reported around seven thirty eight this morning, so it was
a very early explosion. There weren't any initial reports of

(38:24):
injuries or accidents to anybody. Now, just to give you
a better idea of where we're at, so this is
in very rural Box Elder County, about six miles south
of Howell, and it's about halfway between the Golden Spike
National Monument and Interstate eighty four. So all that's around
us is industrial buildings and no homes are really close by. Now,

(38:47):
with of course the emergency services on scene, they are
currently managing the situation. Initial reports, as I mentioned, no
injuries or fatalities have been reported by the Box Elder
County Sheriff's office.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
We've reached out to.

Speaker 8 (38:58):
Any kind of PIO or response from Northrop Gremmen. We
haven't heard back and they say there's no further information
to release it this time. They want the public to try.

Speaker 9 (39:06):
To avoid the area.

Speaker 8 (39:07):
We're going to stay on site. We're gonna see if
we can find some people that maybe heard the explosion
or maybe know more about what happened. We'll bring you
more updates later in our newscast at ABC four News
at Fort Okay.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
So I doubt that we'll actually get any kind of
explanation as to what happened. Like I said, they are
one of our big military industrial contractors, so they're not
going to talk. Even if it wasn't like some new
experimental you know, bomb or or you know, armament. Maybe
it was something that we mass produce and somebody crossed

(39:40):
some wires that shouldn't have been crossed, or throw something
flammable on something that shouldn't have had something flammable thrown
on it. Who knows. It may have been a freak
industrial accident, and the fact that it was at a
North of Grumming facility is just really bad timing and planning. Like, okay, fine,
that being said, we also we need to acknowledge the

(40:02):
fact that it very well could have been some sort
of new experimental armament that went kaboom when they tried
to make it. But let's read it in here. It
says a Promontory. Promontory, Utah emergency crews respond to a
rural North Grumman facility in Box Elder County. God, they're
very original with these names. After an explosion decimated the

(40:22):
building early Wednesday morning, leaving what remains burning in a fire.
I will say that I've seen videos of this. There
wasn't like a mushroom cloud of any type. There's no
as we were just talking about radiation. It's nothing like nuclear.
It's nothing of that variety. It was a really big
kaboom and it completely destroyed the building. You can see
these pictures, it says. However, with as with all ongoing investigations,

(40:48):
details may change. There is no further information available at
this time. One family member of a North of Grumman
employee spoke with ABC four, saying she received a text
right away after a brother in law saying he was safe,
even before she heard the news. Another said he reached
out to his dad as soon as he saw the smoke.
I've seen some smoke and then I sent a text

(41:08):
to my dad because he works out there. But by
the time the text went through, I heard the explosion.
Local resident Tyler Free said it actually felt like the
motor blew up in the truck. I don't exactly know
what he's implying on that one, but yeah, he could
feel a kaboom. The explosion came after several complaints about
the facility were filed with the US Occupational Safety and
Health Administration aka OSHA aka the bane of my existence

(41:33):
over the past several years. The reports included health violations, accidents,
and safety complaints. It is currently unclear what caused the explosion,
but the building appears to be a complete loss. In
one incident, two employees died after they were found unconscious
at the facility in early twenty twenty three. The death
was caused by ar gone gas, which officials said suffocated them.
While their deaths were ruled as accidents, OSHA filed thirteen

(41:57):
citations related to the incident, finding the company more than
one hundred and seventy two thousand dollars. All right, that actually,
I'm gonna read that one again because that actually kind
of upsets me. So two dudes died, OSHA found and
filed thirteen citations related to this incident and only find
them one hundred and seventy two thousand dollars. That's not

(42:22):
even like a decent life insurance policy's worth that they
find North Grumming one of the biggest weapons manufacturers on Earth.
But okay, sure that's worth two deaths. The citations were
deemed serious quote unquote in nature and related to respiratory
protections and permits required for confined spaces. So, being somebody

(42:45):
who has worked in confined spaces before, I will say
working under air sucks. There's no two ways about it.
Same time, like, yeah, certain environments you really need to
go under air for you need to have ventilation, or
you need to get a confined space permit. You need
to get the little snow if we're out there, and
monitor and make sure what the oxygen level is before
you step inside of it. I hate Osha. God, I

(43:06):
hate Osha so much, But I will say that safety
requirements and safety policies are quite literally written in blood,
and there's no two ways about that either. But this explosion,
as of this very moment, no injuries, no fatalities. I
don't know the extent of what happened. I don't know
the extent of you know, if Osha is even going

(43:27):
to weigh in on this one, if this was a
freak accident. Was this dealing with some sort of explosive materials,
some sort of armament. Nothing is known, but something happened
with Northrop Grumman. I felt like it was our duty
to kind of talk about it. So moving on, here
go ahead, Tony.

Speaker 9 (43:47):
Hey, this reminded me of something I heard of from
about one hundred years ago called the Black Tom explosion.
Have you ever heard of it?

Speaker 1 (43:56):
I feel like I have, but refresh my memory, sir.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Okay.

Speaker 9 (43:59):
During World War One, it was producing loads of ammunition
in New York State near the Statue of Liberty, and
a couple of German spies blew up something like hundreds
of thousands of pounds worth of explosives and it actually
damaged the Statue of Liberty, killed seven people, and a
couple of German spies were caught and one of them

(44:21):
was executed. There's a whole Wikipedia article on it. But
you can understand why somebody would have an incentive to
do that at that time, you know, for the war effort.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah, now, I mean, and that's the thing. It's very
possible that this was some sort of like nefarious actor.
I could absolutely believe that we don't know anything at
this time, And honestly, even if it was, if they
have some sort of like video evidence that like they
saw a guy sneak on site and like causes, we
are never going to hear about that. This is going
to be locked so deep under rat well at least

(44:52):
maybe maybe ten, fifteen, twenty years in the future, we'd
hear about it. But if that was true and something,
and I know I could already hear the people talking
about being that close to the border and how we
know that terrorists are already in this country that made
their way through the sieve that was our southern border
for the last few years. It's very possible this some

(45:13):
sort of nefarious actor made their way to this site
and caused this explosion. It, yes, it's possible. I can't
negate that that is a real potential now, But that's
the thing. If that was the case, the building is
a total loss. But it's not like that was north
of Grumman's only spot, right, and it's not like it
killed a bunch of people. It didn't leave some massive

(45:34):
crater in the ground. I see it being very equally
possible that this was from some sort of a foreign actor.
It could also be something as far as some sort
of espionage goes, I get that it could equally be
just a freak industrial accident. As of this moment, thankfully,
nobody has been reported as injured or killed. But as

(45:56):
the story progresses, I will keep tabs on this and
we will talk about it. Hopefully we won't have to
talk about it. Hopefully that just is what it is,
the freak accent. We never bring it up again, but
if more information comes out about it, I'll bring it
up on the next Cajun Night Live. Let me see
me before we go into the Arctic Circle, and how
and why that's becoming more important. Let me check out

(46:17):
the chat here, Roy says Jacob. I told you I'd
help teach you Hebrew. Yo, I do want to learn it.
I do want to learn it one of these days,
specifically so I can learn a lot of the Old
Testament and read it in the proper language and like
understand the entire meaning of it. It's a part of
my book, dude, one of these days, but not to day.

Speaker 6 (46:39):
You know what I mean, No, for sure. But one
thing I'll tell you is that there's an interesting in iteration.
But like so with Hebrew, there's the modern Hebrew, and
there's Hebrew. A lot of the words are very close,
if not identical. Some of the grammar is what'stiff And

(47:00):
because I spent a couple of years really kind of
getting into Hebrew. And there's a book that I was
learning from that it was specifically a modern Hebrew book.
But after I finished learning through that book, I was
actually able to understand so much more of the tour
itself because also you go through these seven wonderful verb

(47:21):
verb categories, which is fun, too active, too passive, and
a reflexive. So but if you're if you're a pattern
oriented like you said you were, it's it's actually not
so bad.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Oh not bad. One of these days, bro oh, let
me ask you this, Do you know any Aramaic.

Speaker 6 (47:45):
Some phrases only because I'm studying the timeloid. But besides that,
like I can't speak it, there are people that I
know that can and they understand Gamara Aramic as far
as spoken, like it's not so it's a that language
as far as it's not actively spoken, but at least
by thousands of Jews around the world, it is actively

(48:07):
taught and.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
Learned.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Okay, So Aramic, I thought my knowledge base is very
low here. The language they speak in Israel right now,
that's Hebrew correct, Okay, So that's the same language that
they've been speaking for like three thousand years or four thousand,
order the cases. Okay, So Aramaic was like a dialect
of it. I've asked before. I think how closely related

(48:33):
they are as far as the conversion, is it kind
of like uh, Spanish and Italian. They're both Latin based,
and some of the words kind of sound alike, but
they're very very different. Or is it more akin to
like a like a.

Speaker 6 (48:47):
It's a different language. It's it's definitely definitely a Semitic
language that they used to speak for a very very
long time that has that has gone died out. But
like it's it's hard like so you can spell the
letters out in the Hebrew letters. But as far as

(49:12):
how that was actually spelled back in the day from
other places, I can tell you probably not.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Got you okay, Tony, I saw your hand was raised, brother,
what's up?

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (49:22):
About the language, I learned a bit about this studying
for our episode on Islam. But Aramic was the main
language of the Middle East north of the Arabian Peninsula.
Including Syria, Iraq, Jordan until the reign of Abdal Malik,
who reigned in about six ninety eight, which would be
about thirty years after Mohammad died. Right, Okay, but you

(49:47):
know that was what brought Arabic from the Arabian Peninsula.
Actually they were speaking it in Jordan too, but it
brought it way up north and it kind of drove
Aramaic to extinction, virtual extinction. And Hebrew was also mostly extinct,
but they they've been revived, at least Hebrew has. It's
kind of like I guess Gaelic similar story, or even

(50:12):
even Latin. It mostly died out. It's actually still dying
because the Catholic Church was keeping it alive until the sixties,
and now they don't really have an incentive to keep
doing that anymore either.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Yeah, it's such as life fuddle a Latin mass. I
want to go to one just to see what that's about.
I feel like the vibe will be completely different.

Speaker 9 (50:33):
Oh yeah, I've been to a couple. They're hard to find.
The Novus Ordo people have been very effective and trying
to squash it, and they loathe it for some reason. Yeah,
I've spent too much time, you know, in different Catholic churches,
and especially the boomers, like they really hate Latin in

(50:55):
general and they try to squash it. And I've never
understood it. I really liked learning, and when I was
about ten to fifteen years old.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
I think it was because they were forced to learn it.
It's like their own version of rebelling against Like the
nuns used to slap their wrists with the rulers and
shit when they were like, you know, coming of age.
Now they're like, no, actually Latin.

Speaker 10 (51:16):
Now.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Cut to a couple of decades later and we're like, hey,
Latin's kind of cool, like I want to learn. Yeah,
that might be the boomer version of rebelling. I could
see it also real quick, while we're on the version
of the conversation of languages Royce Yiddish. How close is
that to Hebrew? Or is it very similar to the
whole Aramic conversation that's like a completely separate language.

Speaker 6 (51:39):
So Yiddish is actually a German dialect that is spelled
out in Hebrew.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Yeah, okay, so it's a German language, but they use
Hebrew lettering.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
Right, So obviously Germans aren't gonna necessarily speak Yiddish, but
it is a it is a Jewish dialect of German,
to where there is something called Ladino, which is basically
a mix of I think Spanish and Hebrew and other phrases.

Speaker 9 (52:14):
Yeah, it's mostly German. If I see it written out
and transliterated into Roman characters, I can actually understand a
good chunk of it. And when most Jews were living
in the pale of Settlement, which was east of Germany
and west of what is now Russia, most of them
spoke Yiddish. They didn't speak Slavic languages, so they didn't

(52:36):
intermingle much with the Slavs until you know, mid to
late nineteenth century from what I've read, and maybe hard
g can confirm that or deny that.

Speaker 6 (52:46):
For me, I don't know enough about it to be honest,
but that that makes sense to me. I know that
for a very long time, Yiddish was the spoke luggage
because it was the when I say profane tongue like
leslie means profanity, but just like the normal everyday language,

(53:06):
as opposed to Hebrew, which was used specifically for prayer
and tara.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
And that makes sense all so there's like you could
look at even the Greek dialect or the Latin dialect.
It's like you have the Latin proper, and then you
had the Latin vulgate. Now they don't mean vulgar Latin
as in like it's bad words, but also it's more
of the common tongue, So I get what you mean
by that, right.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
And then also one then other thing that you guys
were to talk about as far as the Latin and churches,
and so I don't know at what point it was
didn't really happen so so long ago when it was there,
when there was the Reform movement, because so basically this
entire time you had religious dutism, which is now considered

(53:51):
work box. And then there are people that wanted to
offshoot from there, and they actually became the Reform movement,
which is like so far to the left. And then
and then a short time later you had these guys like,
all right, well, you guys are too far right, you
guys are too far left. We're gonna try to go
to the middle road, which is how the conservatives are
basically came into me. But so when it comes to

(54:16):
all Orthodox synagogues, they are all parading Hebrew, doesn't matter
who can or cannot understand the language. Like if you're
coming here, you will either pick up a language or
you will try to follow along. But I think that
was enacted to keep the religion as it is, because

(54:40):
when you start watering things down, as you know, things
just keep getting less and less and less and less
and less. So I think they made it because when
they came to America, and you know, assimilation was such
a big thing. Like my great grandfather who emigrated from Poland,
I know he knew Hebrew, he knew Polish, he probably

(55:00):
knew Russian Yiddish like, but he didn't pass it down
because they wanted to assimilate with the US. And also
during that period of time, it wasn't so great to
be Jews. Yeah, but just in order to keep the
religion as it is, they the rabbi has basically decided, look,

(55:23):
we are not going to take Hebrew out of the
synagogues because even one of the things that we're taught
is that one of the things that made the Jews
specific special in Egypt whenever we were and we were slaves,
is that we kept our clothing, style, our names, and

(55:47):
our language. So those are the three big things that
we used to keep so having our own specific language
at least as far as prayer has always been a
huge Oh.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Absolutely, And I mean you could look at that through
cultures that have been taken over in conquested throughout history.
One of the first things that they try to do
is make it to where they can only speak the
language of their conqueror. Right, if a culture is able
to keep their language, they're able to maintain their culture,
or at least it stems from there. And I think

(56:20):
even a raven You've talked about this with me a
few times. How on an anthropological standpoint, religion and language
are kind of hand in hand as far as what
gives a civilization their cultural identity. Now, I know there's
nuances to that, tons of it based off of where
they live on the earth and all these things, but

(56:40):
you can't separate a culture from their language necessarily unless
you're trying to dissolve the entire culture.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (56:47):
They What's interesting about language is that every culture and
even every village tribe has a slight variation difference in
dialect from each each other, just like in Louisiana, like
if you're from across the river, you can tell without
a doubt the different sections where people are from by

(57:10):
how they speak, and that goes from for religion too.
It seems like the religious, depending on which group they
have specific words that gets translated, but they also end
up having slang terms depending on which section they're in
and which little cultural group that they vibe with.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Anthropologists that study language, they.

Speaker 7 (57:35):
Talk a lot about like how language is passed, Like
language is one of the biggest things that anthropologists study
is because it has evolved and changed so much every
hundred years.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
It's it's challenging.

Speaker 7 (57:49):
Like you guys are talking about aramic, but no one
here alive knows what it actually sounded like originally, and
so what everyone's reading it or speaking it, it has
evolved and changed to what it is what people perceive
it to be originally. There is no actual origination because
we didn't have audio recordings, so it's all kind of

(58:11):
a guessing game of like this is what I think
this would sound like, and then it kind.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
Of just changes.

Speaker 7 (58:18):
Each person here's a different sound, and a lot of
times they tweak it just to their own, so I
would sound.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
I would agree with you on ninety nine percent of that,
And like, for instance, the ancient Egyptian language. We think
we know what it sounds like because of the Egyptian
coptics and like the way that they transcribe the language,
but we don't actually know like the language that Tut
was speaking like, we don't exactly know what that sounds like.

(58:47):
We can guesstimate, right, but through certain writings we can
at least see how the language like traversed time and
changed over time, but as far as how it actually
sounded and speaking it with the proper accents and the
proper inflections and stuff, one hundred percent agreed. The only
that I know of anyway, and there may very possibly

(59:10):
be a few outliers on this one. The only language
that I can think of that might stand out as
being truly passed down orally that long would be Hebrew,
because they've been able to keep it through everything that
they went through for religious reasons, and it was passed
down orally person to person a person. The only other
ones that I could think that might possibly get away

(59:33):
with that kind of statement would be like uncontacted tribes
in the Amazon or something like that, But then they're
also out of the conversation because we don't actually know
their language anyway, But yeah, one hundred percent. And I
also go ahead, Royce.

Speaker 6 (59:47):
Oh, I'm gonna say, is as far as the error
make we've been study We've had the Babylonian kamud literally
for the past two thousand years at least, probably it
started to be compiled about seventy AD. So it's been
taught and verbal, like what the way you study gamara

(01:00:08):
is verbally like there's actually kind of a canter and
melody that you are supposed to learn to. So like
these words have been spoken out loud in a certain
melody for a thousand years, So how is it how
it originally sounded? I would say there is a ninety

(01:00:29):
nine percent chance. So it also just a phrase I
know in Ara makers like what's the like the nav
camina or the havamina? So enough, Gamena is like what's
the practical application of something? As opposed to manischma, which
is Hebrew for like what's up? So just the difference

(01:00:51):
in how languages are.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Uh said, Yeah, and that's what I was saying. There's
there's only a few culture outliers that the language had
to be passed down orally. And if it has been
passed down orally then like we can at least assert
that it was passed down to the traditional and correct
translation and correct pronunciation. But still there's outliers, you know,

(01:01:19):
culture to culture, Like I don't know for a fact
that the using Hebrew as an example, I don't know
for a fact that the Polish dudes in a synagogue
are speaking it in the exact perfect way that the
dudes in Jerusalem are that the dudes in New York
City are, Like I can, I can assume this, but

(01:01:40):
I'm sure that there is some sort of a difference
in some way shape or as far as like.

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
Sure, sure, and also there's a difference between like someone
who speaks like with an Ashkenazi sure pronunciation or a
spartic so like the difference would be like I mean,
just in general like uh, sheer shallon to tova, but

(01:02:08):
it's definitely gonna sound different, like the there's a letter
called soft are tough, and depending on whether or not
there is a dot in the center will actually determine
what it is as far as the most however, somebody
who is as far as they you know, they don't

(01:02:28):
do anything either way, but just so just to know
the difference between how Hebrew sounds as opposed to Aramaic.
So there's a phrase, don't ask for me to translate it,
I just know how to how to speak it that
he's So that's an example of Aramaic as opposed to
zahor about lid show so difference. So there's a clear

(01:02:54):
difference in how for for sure, sometimes it's like such
a crazy tongue twister.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
No doubt, Raven, I saw your hand raise Go ahead, Oh,
I was.

Speaker 7 (01:03:08):
Just gonna comment that, Like, I'm not saying that there
isn't specific groups that have had a verbal passed down.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
The thing about it is is that you.

Speaker 7 (01:03:20):
Have to that how just like how you were speaking it, Royce,
you were influenced the way that you've learned and you've
listened and spoken regular words in that dialect about being
just an American, you will have a nuance that is
not the same as somebody else that has spoken it

(01:03:42):
in a different place, and so on and so forth,
and so for thousands of years, yes, the language has
been pronunciated and passed down, but every single person has
an environmental and a social impact and a cultural impact
on how they perceive and listen and speak.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
All languages, and so to say.

Speaker 7 (01:04:03):
It is one hundred percent or ninety nine percent correct
to true to form from a thousand years ago, I'm
going to disagree, because that is it's there is, it's
a multifaceted thing to be a human. And so in
every culture, sure you will continuously have changes, even if
there's slight nuances over time they will change.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
A word, Yeah, the telephone, but like that two hundred years,
let alone a thousand years, what does it actually sound like.
I see what you mean for sure, for sure.

Speaker 6 (01:04:34):
And then that was coming from someone who doesn't who
isn't an anthropologist, So I for sure bat on my head,
and I have no problem to be corrected. So thank
you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
And also, as we're talking about languages, so I just
learned this one today. Actually, so Native American tribes, native
American languages, like the linguistic families thereof haven't been studied
improper to the level that they should have been for
the past few hundred years. Four reasons. Not saying that's
a good thing, either of these reasons, but there's reasons, right,

(01:05:06):
So just found out that, all right, So when we
talk about New York area, the Iroquois nation, then you
go just below that and you're talking about like the
Cherokee linguistic family. Below that the uh I think it
might be Muskogee language nation, and then the Seminole nation. Okay,

(01:05:27):
these four linguistic groups all come from completely unrelated families, right,
So to give everybody a context of how crazy that is,
this would be Spain, Italy, Greece, and Portugal all speaking
languages that come from completely different linguistic families. Like we

(01:05:50):
think of that and we hear, all, yeah, they all
have their different languages, but they're all basically Romance languages
with the exception of Greek. I get that. But to
say that all of the these Native American tribes who
were neighboring to each other couldn't understand each other. And
this is just per the current study goes, because they
came from completely separate areas of the world, and then

(01:06:12):
out of nowhere you had this little section in Louisiana
that had no connection to anything other than just themselves linguistically,
and they were like isolated that in that language. It
is crazy to watch how languages traverse and to see
the linguistic families and how that goes into different cultures.
And I mean, I'm happy that the Native American talking

(01:06:35):
point is getting more credibility these days and getting looked
at for the for the historical precedents that they are.
But see, that's another one too. We know this now
based off of like written sources, and we could kind
of tell based off of some linguistic things, but how
many of those languages were snuffed out with the trail
of tears, right, and with the westward expansion and all

(01:06:58):
these things. It's there's assumptions that could be made to
say that the true Choctaw language and the true Navajo
language like the one the wind talkers were using, right,
that we can assume that that is the true language
that was being spoken by these tribes a thousand years ago.
But the same thing happens, right, game of telephone and

(01:07:20):
the westward expansion and the trying to snuff out all
cultural relevance of each of these tribes. How can we
really know that for sure? But again, I'm happy that
experts and historians and anthropologists are looking at it for
what it is these days.

Speaker 9 (01:07:36):
Tony, go ahead, Yeah, have you ever heard of the
Lone Woman of San Nicolas or have you ever had
to read Island the Blue Dolphin in elementary school.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:07:49):
This is a real woman who was stranded on an
island off the coast of la for like twenty years,
and when they finally found her in about eighteen seventy,
she spoke a language that nobody could understand, not even
any of the other Native Americans or people who spoke
any native languages in that area. And when they brought
her to the mainland, she died after about three weeks

(01:08:10):
because her immune system wasn't prepared to be around other people.
But yeah, she must. She spoke some language, and something
happened to all her people, like all her people left
and she was the only only one left. And she
still remembered the language and could speak it, but nobody
else could understand it because the diversity of the native
languages was just so much. And I've seen this guy

(01:08:32):
on YouTube called Chiama. He tries to learn languages just
for fun, and he tried to learn Navajo and he
said that was the most complicated because the cases for
all the nouns and the verbs just overlap way more
than anything. He said, it's like a Rubik's cube in
terms of grammar.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
So yeah, that's the kind of heavier set, white guy
that goes to all these different countries and like blows
people's minds when he's able to speak it.

Speaker 9 (01:08:58):
Yeah, he's that guy prop to like one hundred languages
by now. But yeah, that would also explain why those
Navajo they were code talkers. And World War Two, and
I think world War one as well.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
I'm not sure I know for sure world War two.
I don't know about World War One, but yeah, they
knew for sure that there's no Japanese or German expert
of anything that's going to be able to decipher the
novel language like at all. So I thought that was
brilliant as far as the Americans go at that time.
Oh and speaking of dead languages, and now we're talking
about these things. So I only know of one other

(01:09:32):
situation kind of similar to this. So there's two guys
on Earth that speak this dialect of like it's not Spanish.
Some are saying that it's like a dialect of the
traditional Aztec language. There's only two guys that still speak
it to this day, and they refuse to speak to
each other because of some long standing blood feud. They're
both in their eighties, and once they died, the language

(01:09:55):
dies with them. And I thought that was so crazy,
Like y'all could communicate in a langua that no one
else knows. But y'all don't want to talk to each
other because there's beef. That's the pettiness of humanity, honestly.
But yeah, fascinating stuff, y'all. Fascinating stuff. All right. So
now we've gone into this whole conversation about languages and stuff,

(01:10:16):
Let's talk about the Arctic. Because I didn't realize that
the Arctic was such a count intended hotbed of conversation.
But wait a minute, Oh, this is about the dead
women in New England. My bad. Apparently the Arctic is
becoming like a hot topic, especially in the twenty first century, right,
so let's talk about it here. The Arctic is one

(01:10:37):
of the coldest and least populated regions on Earth. Most
much of it is covered by ice, but in recent
years it has become one of the most important sites
of geopolitical tension and a key focus of American policy. Yes,
we are going to talk about the Greenland situation. Yes,
Russia's gonna get brought up here. I get it, I
get it. Hold your allegiances to whatever you want. But
the North Pole hasn't been a real situation to be

(01:11:00):
discussed at all in quite some time, and now it
is really becoming that all right. So despite its inhospility,
in hospitality, people can't live there. Land north of the
Arctic Circle has long been inhabited by indigenous people like
the Inuit sami Yukagar and today includes territories belonging to

(01:11:22):
the eight countries Canada, Russia, Iceland, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark,
and the United States. In nineteen ninety six, these countries
formed the Arctic Council, a forum that includes all eight
countries as member states, along with representatives from indigenous groups.
But while the Arctic was once envisioned as a neutral
zone where research and conservation could promote deeper international cooperation,

(01:11:42):
multiple developments since then have turned into a site of competition.
The number one issue facing in the Arctic is climate change. Yes,
here we go with that. Since the nineteen nineties, the
Arctic Sea has declined by seven point six trillion metric tons,
with the rate of loss increasing fifty seven percent. Besides
contributing to rising sea levels, the loss of ice also

(01:12:04):
reduces global solar reflection. This creates feedback loop as the
darker ocean water absorbs more heat, causing more ice to melt,
adversely affecting global weather patterns. The meltic Arctic ice. Melting
Arctic ice also directly affects local wildlife, with polar bear
populations projected to decline by two thirds in the next
quarter century as they lose their hunting grounds. Okay, I'm

(01:12:25):
personally not upset about that. They're the only animal on
Earth that actually goes out of their way to hunt
human beings as a food source. So, like, you know,
I don't care what Coca Cola tells you. Polar bears
are not cute, and like they're the only they are
probably the most dangerous predator to human life. But neither
here nor there, but where some sea environmental disaster other

(01:12:46):
sea opportunity. The melting ice is making Arctic trade routes
more navigable, providing shorter distances for transoceanic shipping and current
lanes using the Suez and Panama Canals. Furthermore, increased navigability
is expanding potent for exploration and extraction of natural resources.
The Arctic region is estimated to hold over twenty percent

(01:13:07):
of the world's remaining fossil fuel reserves, with over four
hundred oil and gas fields already discovered. Both the seabed
and offshore areas also hold vast quantities of minerals, ranging
from staple commodities like iron, gold, nickel, and zinc to
rare earth metals such as neodymium and dysporesium, which are
used in electronics, batteries and technology. Even traditional sub subsistence

(01:13:32):
activity may be greatly altered and expanded as global warming
leads fish stocks to migrate north and more coastal land
becomes available for agriculture. Okay, so aside from the global
warming conversation, although that would be why it's more navigable
now than it's ever been. That's kind of the biggie here,
right It holds allegedly over twenty percent of the remaining
fossil fuels on Earth, and it has rare earths, and

(01:13:55):
as of right now, China is making a massive push
for all the rare earths because they process them in
plants that produce a lot of toxins that we don't
like to produce in America. China really doesn't have like
an Osha to speak of. So the fact that we
have rare or at least access to rare earths that
don't have to go through China, that's kind of a
biggie here, right. Yet, economic opportunities in the Arctic are

(01:14:19):
emerging at a time of increased geopolitical tensions, as countries
scrambled to secure resources, state territorial claims, and develop facilities.
With fifty three percent of the Arctic coastline under its control,
Russia has the largest presence in the region in terms
of civil ports like Murmansk and Argengelsk YEP, as well
as multiple airfields and military bases along its northern border.

(01:14:41):
More recently, Russia has moved to expand its claims in
the Arctic Sea bed, at the same time that the
invasion of Ukraine in twenty twenty two has led to
other members of the Arctic Council to suspend cooperation with Moscow.
I could believe that while land jurisdiction in the Arctic
is largely settled aside from a few disputes, maritime claims
are much more complex. Control over Arctic waters is generally

(01:15:05):
governed by the United Nations Convention on the Law of
the Sea, which defines multiple types of territorial waters where
a nation may have the right to restrict activity of
foreign vessels. The range from internal waters that are considered
part of the nation's sovereign territory to exclusive economic zones
where foreign ships may travel freely but cannot extract resources.

(01:15:25):
Although the United States played a formative role in the
negotiating the treaty and abides by most of its provisions,
it remains one of the few countries that has not
formally acceded to it because of concerns about limitations in
places on seabed mining. Even among the UN's Group signatories. However,

(01:15:46):
boundaries definitions can vary. Boundary definitions excuse me. While Canada
considers part of the Northwest Passage to lie within its
territorial waters, for example, most other nations, including the United States,
consider it to be an international rate where foreign ships
may transit. Similarly, Russia has claimed part of the Northeast
Passage along its northern coastline as internal waters, moving to

(01:16:08):
restrict right of passage in areas where it was previously allowed.
Given these disputes, the Transpolar Sea route through the Center
of the Arctic Ocean, which lies fully in internal waters.
International waters rather, will become more attractive as polar ice
continues to thaw. Okay, so all that it says here,

(01:16:28):
Now we're going to go into China here. The increasing
importance of the Arctic has attracted the attention of other
powers without Arctic territory. Several of these states have been
omitted as observers in the Arctic Council, including Germany, the
United Kingdom, Japan, and South Korea. China, which is also
an observer, has unilaterally declared itself a near Arctic state.

(01:16:50):
In what realm is China a near Arctic state? But
that's how she sees things and draws maps, and has
expanded both research and commercial activity in the regent by
partnering with Russia, as well as investing in infrastructure in Norway,
Iceland and Greenland. I'm sure they found a way to
rope that into the Belton Road initiative. Anyway, China's increased

(01:17:11):
present in the Arctic along Russia. Alongside russia more aggressive
posture has been among the reason side of for the
US President Donald Trump's insistence on nnexing or buying Greenland,
a territory of NATO allied to Denmark. While Greenland already
contains a US military base on its northwest coast, the
discussion is likely to result in further militarization of the

(01:17:34):
territory even under Denmark. Satellites are also expected to play
a major role in exerting control within the Arctic, given
the importance of the observation and monitoring in remote areas
of poor communication and infrastructure. So now as we're talking
about this the Arctic Circle, it's just been an ice
block for quite a while here, right, and now all

(01:17:55):
these countries that are now not so allied with each
other as of the past few years are going to
start vuying for the resources in the Arctic Circle. And
of course who's got the most coastline will have a
say in what goes down there. I get this. For
China to start weighing in on the Arctic Circle conversation,
that's a bit of a concern for me personally. Go ahead, Raven, So.

Speaker 7 (01:18:23):
I remember this hearing about this before. So Norway's actually
been like Russia's been already digging in the Arctics like
the last decade or two, But Norway actually has been stopped.
In twenty sixteen, they were granted a number of licenses
to explore the oil and gas of the Arctics in

(01:18:46):
like inside the Arctic Circle.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
And then in twenty.

Speaker 7 (01:18:48):
Twenty one, six Norwegians and environmental groups got together and
pretty much for like, this is an absolute disaster.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
And so what they.

Speaker 7 (01:18:58):
Did is is they I did articles it's Article two
and article eight. It's human rights pretty much in the
right to life, saying that if the if Norway continues
to dig and try to drill in the Arctic, that
it's going to it's going to cause like mass chaos
pretty much for humans, and it's going to increase climate

(01:19:20):
change and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
And then with like who actually owns the Arctic?

Speaker 7 (01:19:25):
They the US is letting companies drill in Alaska again,
but they actually everybody that owns a piece of the
Arctic owns two hundred nautical miles of it. And right
now they're kind of like debating about who owns what.
And they have like a territory map of like who
actually is allowed to dig where, and Russia is nowhere
on that map right now, I'm not Russia, excuse me, China,

(01:19:46):
like Denmark, Russia Canada and the US and Norway are
mostly the ones that are allowed to do stuff there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Yeah, but China being like homeboys with Russia to the
furthest extent that they're allowed to be anyway, I could
understand why they are gonna try to not push their
way in by any means, but they're gonna get even
closer if it means more of a monopoly on the
rare earths, for sure. And yeah, you're right, China's nowhere
even near the conversation of two hundred odd miles of

(01:20:16):
their claimed sea in the Arctic Circle. That blows my
mind that g has the balls to actually make such
a claim that China is a near Arctic country, like
in what map are you looking at? Bro? But okay, sure, totally.
And I understand that some people are gonna say, well,
America doesn't have that either, but we do because of

(01:20:38):
Alaska and also because we run the world's seas, so
that's kind of how America flexes. So good things there.
But as we are talking about the Russia and the
China situation, I found a little YouTube short and I
do know that this is going to ruffle a few feathers, Tony.
I do want you to weigh in on this one. Actually,

(01:20:58):
so this short here was brought up by former Russian
president of what certain people, former Russian president anyway and
others are saying Ukraine might look like if and when
Ukraine loses this war. And I don't know if he's
not speaking on behalf of Putin. I know that he's

(01:21:20):
not speaking on behalf of the Russian military. Fully understand
that too. But if we were talking about Russia only
invading just the easternmost sections, right, the sections that wanted
to be Russian allegedly and all these things, this map
kind of paints a different picture. Let me know what
you think about this one.

Speaker 11 (01:21:37):
If Ukraine were to lose the current war against Russia,
what might happen well. Former Russian President Dmitri Medvedev recently
shared a map outlining what he believes the future borders
of the region will look like. Medvedev's map shows Russia
controlling all of eastern Ukraine, including the economically important don
Bas region. What's more, Russia would control all territory east

(01:22:00):
of the Nipa River, along with southern Ukraine's Black Sea coast. Interestingly,
Poland would be in control of much of western Ukraine,
including the country's sixth largest city, Leviv. Hungary would get
this Zakharpatiya ablast, while Romania would receive Chernivzi and Vinizia.
Ukraine itself, meanwhile, would become a much smaller, landlocked country

(01:22:21):
based around the capital city of Kiev.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
This okay, so Tony, please weigh in on this. Is
there any validity to the Ukrainian map looking like this
in the next few years.

Speaker 9 (01:22:35):
Personally, I think there is not, and I think Midvidyev
he is way more aggressive than he used to be,
and he's been like this for the last few years.
I think he felt really burned by Hillary Clinton over
Libya in twenty eleven, back when he was the president
at that time. I have not seen any Russian mapss
going this far. But this also illustrates how much of

(01:23:02):
Hungarian and Romanian minority there are. The Polish area used
to be Poland way back a long time ago, but
the Ukrainians took it over and there aren't too many
Poles left there. Although the main Catholic bishop in western
Ukraine is Polish and that the tiny little Ukrainian spot.

(01:23:22):
I think that's where Kiev is or slightly west of it.
But yeah, I don't think Russia will get this much.
There's still enough hostility to Russia in the central part
of the country in my opinion that Russia is gonna
mostly just settle for what they got now. If they
wanted any other territory, it would probably be Kharkov and Odessa.
Odessa's in the southwest and Kharkoff is kind of in

(01:23:46):
the more northern east part. But I don't think they'll
get either of those. Personally, I think that the line
where it is right now is where it's gonna stay.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Okay, and I don't disagree. I would see possibly Transnistria
like pledging allegiance to Russia and being like roped into
that one as well, and maybe like some sort of
a connective land bridge between the two areas that are
currently occupied in Transnistria. I could see a world with
that happens. Yeah. When I saw this map, I was like, oh,

(01:24:18):
I have to talk about it on the Live tonight
because I Hungary. I didn't see them making an appearance
into this Romania, didn't see them taking a section of
this map. Poland. I didn't even know that that area had,
Like you said, I didn't know that there was any Poles,
or at least a majority of Poles still living in

(01:24:38):
Western Ukraine. I mean, yeah, there's pockets of them for sure,
but nothing to this scale. And then yeah, I, like
you said, I don't know how aggressive the former Russian
president is or is this kind of the ramblings of
an old guy who's just kind of out of his box,
or was there any kind of real validity to this.

(01:25:00):
I definitely knew you would have more of a knowledge
based on this one than I would.

Speaker 9 (01:25:03):
Yeah, well, I'm interested. I want to look up whether
that's what said, But I do know for sure Hungarian
and Romanian are spoken in these parts of Ukraine. Polish
is not anymore. But if you look up the boundaries
of the Second Polish Republic, it included all of that area.
There aren't too many Poles left. There was a lot
of ethnic cleansing that went on during World War Two

(01:25:24):
in both directions, frankly, but the Ukrainians really won. Their
Ukrainian nationalists were more aligned with the Germans for sure. Yeah,
and that's part of their history that they're simultaneously proud
and ashamed of. And the Russians. They used that for
propaganda for sure, the fact that there were so many

(01:25:45):
Ukrainian nationalists on the German side, that's whyfying Ukraine. He's
not completely wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
I understand the talking point for the propaganda aspect, but
also like Zelenski's a Jew, so like talking about the
denotification of a country that's currently led by a Jewish
guys like hmm, all right.

Speaker 9 (01:26:06):
Well, well there's plenty of photo evidence of the social
acceptability of Nazi regalia in western Ukraine up until very
recent years, and there's telegram channels about it. One's called
highly Ukraine nineteen fifty nine. Another one's called Bandy after
step On Bondera. Maybe this is a slight tangent, but

(01:26:30):
Austria used to own a big chunk of this western
part of Ukraine. It used to be called Galicia, and
some of my wife's ancestry is from there, And well
there was a lot of transition in World War One
and World War Two and basically the Germans lost a lot.
So yeah, my wife's ancestry is part German from that area,

(01:26:53):
but it then it became Polish, and then it became Ukrainian,
and that's where we are today.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Yeah, Okay, So I mean, all right, so at least
you are of the belief that this map is a
bit extra presumptuous ondelic part.

Speaker 9 (01:27:08):
Yeah, I think that's unrealistic. Okay, yeah, yeah, I want
to look it up and confirm too.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Yeah, please do, because when I saw this, I'm like, bro,
there's no way not even saying about how much of
that territory Russia is going to claim, sectioning off Western
Ukraine into four different principalities, Like Poland is not on
an expansionist kick right now, neither is Romania, neither is Hungary.
So it's like, why was that even being brought up

(01:27:36):
on the map that your guy was talking about.

Speaker 9 (01:27:38):
But you know, well, I am seeing similar maps to this.
But I would chime in that Poland actually does have
some expansionist streak in it. So I have seen the
Polish proposed annexation going back all the way to twenty
twenty two. On Polish television, Poland was talking about how

(01:27:59):
the might act look like this at least with regards
to Poland. Someday some of them are thinking about taking
that territory back, and they're talking about how the people
of Levov Poland calls it Levov. That's the biggest city there.
Russian calls it Levov, Ukrainian language calls it Lviv.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 9 (01:28:22):
They actually teach Polish as a second language at most
of the schools there, so there is some memory in
the area that they used to be Polish. And the
languages are close enough that whenever I go to Ukrainian
websites and they want to post something in Polish, they
won't even bother translating it. It's a different alphabet, but
they're almost mutually intelligible. That's kind of how close they are.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Okay, Well, as things continue to progress with the war
in Ukraine, we are going to definitely keep all of
the people listening in on the loop here and we
will see if this map does play out this way.
That is wild to me that they could get sectioned
off into this many pieces, but I guess the future
is very, very unknown. But speaking of unknown futures, let's

(01:29:08):
talk about what's going on with China right now? Now,
all right. Last week we talked a little bit about
the tariff situation, and I did give the preface before
I even spoke on it. I am not an economist.
I don't know everything there is to know about tariffs
and money and things and stuff. Yes, Trump did the
example that I gave as far as how the US

(01:29:30):
Treasury will get money for basically an extortion fee, a
street tax, whatever you want to call it, for any
country to sell things on American soil. Right, Yes, this
is very accurate. And as you learned about on the
Cult of Conspiracy Live Tuesday night last night, actually we
heard from a Chinese high school dropout who is probably

(01:29:54):
in a hard prison or hard labor jail as we speak,
for making that post on social media about how America's
spending power is three or is a third of the
entire world's spending power. And that's a big deal. So basically, China, Gie,
I should say, not just China. Jijaping and Trump had
been in this stare down contest, right, and this has

(01:30:15):
been a big thing. Uh, China raise the tariffs. Trump
raised the tariffs. China raised it more. Trump raised it
to one hundred and forty five percent. Basically, he doubled
down and just raised it to two hundred and forty
five percent. Today, whenever this made headlines, Jijiping finally decided,

(01:30:37):
all right, bro, let's let's have a conversation, but we
won't respect that. That's his big thing. Now. He's willing
to come to the negotiation tables, but he wants America
media to stop talking shit on China and Jijuping. So
that's not gonna happen. But let's hear a little bit
about the situation because as everybody is so worried about

(01:30:59):
prices of everything in America going up, and yes, I
understand it's probably going to go up in some way
shapes your form, and things are going to trickle down,
things are going to go a certain way. Currently things
are kind of looking up. Let's learn a little bit,
shall we.

Speaker 12 (01:31:14):
But we are able to report today that China is
open to talks with a little more specific conditions attached
to it. First of all, as I said, China is
demanding some respect and specifically, it basically wants the Trump
administrations to rainey in some of the cabinet members who

(01:31:34):
makes the disparaging remarks about China. And then the other
more specific conditions is that China wants the USI to
appoint a person that it could have those talks with,
which is understandable because we've seen how different members of
the administration have said different things over the course of
the last couple of months, and China is frustrated that

(01:31:55):
it doesn't really know what the US wants from.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
So all right, they're willing to come to the negotiation,
to the negotiation table. Good things. Finally, a little bit
of some sound reasoning comes through here, because I don't
know if this is going to be a hot take
or people are going to disagree with this or not.
China can't really survive without buyers. They make a lot.

(01:32:20):
They make a lot of things, products, goods, electronics, name
your thing, they make it. A lot of things are
made in China. America is the world's largest consumer where
the world's largest buyer of things and stuff. I'm not
saying China can't survive without America. I'm saying that they
would have an extremely tough go of it if they

(01:32:42):
were to try to make that happen, right, But I'm
sure it's possible. It's not probable. It's possible, but not probable.
Right that being said, g is finally willing to come
to the negotiation table with Trump. But they want China
to have a guy because apparently the current administration says

(01:33:04):
a lot of disparaging things about China. They're superman, super
mean to she, and she wants there to be a
guy in the administration, right, so they lost their guy.
They had one on Sleepy Joe aka China Joe, and
he was their guy. Since like ninety two, he's been
in bed with China. There's very famous speeches that were

(01:33:28):
given from him in ninety two when he was a
younger man that had a cognizant brain, where he was
telling Americans that or to I think it was Congress
or Senate. I forget what he was in his earlier days,
but either way, he was basically saying that we need
to strengthen relationships with China rather than see them as
an adversary. And in the nineties not exactly a bad take.

(01:33:50):
But then we cut to Obama putting harsher restrictions on
Chinese trade. And that's whenever they took the pandas away
from the DC zoo because panda diploma. Right, if you're
cool with China, you'll get a panda in your zoo.
If you don't, if you upset the CCP, they take
their pandas back. And that's a whole anybody wants to
look up panda diplomacy. It's kind of ridiculous, but it's

(01:34:10):
a real thing. It's a real thing. Now they're saying
that they're willing to come to talk, but they want
somebody in the White House or in the Cabinet or
somebody somebody in the US government that's not going to
just skull drag them for being themselves. And that's like
an actual talking point they're trying to make that they

(01:34:31):
want respect. Now. With all that being said, economically America
is not doing bad. Everybody was super worried about prices skyrocketing, however.

Speaker 12 (01:34:42):
From this negotiation.

Speaker 10 (01:34:43):
So it's been eleven days since Trump's Liberation Day, eleven
days since April fifth, and the world hasn't ended. Prices
haven't soared. If anything, prices have fallen, energy prices, grocery prices,
mortgage rates all down since Liberation Day. Also, the housing
mar finally beginning to reset after years of record breaking

(01:35:04):
sky high prices. New housing inventory in this country hitting
a fifteen year high, the highest level since two thousand
and seven. Over half a million new homes now on
the market. Multiple regions of the country seeing home prices tumbling.
Parts of Florida specifically, huge movement and home prices falling sharply.
And we're just getting started. Trump writing on true Social

(01:35:27):
this morning, the United States taking in record numbers and tariffs,
with the cost of almost all products going down, including gasoline, groceries,
and just about everything else. Likewise, inflation is also down.
Promises made, promises kept.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Shout out to RJ talks for bringing all these things,
you know. With that being said, I'm I'm kind of
happy to hear these things. I myself was kind of
worried about prices going up. Look, it's tough out here.
It's tough out everywhere. Everybody's got thrown struggles they're dealing with,
and everybody wants the groceries to be cheaper. Everybody wants
gas price to be cheaper. Everybody wants everything to be cheaper.

(01:36:06):
Of course, the tariff conversation, I saw it as a
necessary evil, and I still do. Even if the prices
were to hike up for a year or two, this
would establish American domination on an economic scale like we
have never experienced in any of our lifetimes. I'm here
for that smoke. But yeah, it was gonna be a
tough transition. And I'm not saying that we still don't

(01:36:28):
have a tough road ahead of us. It's very early,
like you said, it's only been two weeks. But this
is a lot of good things as far as Hope
is concerned. So I do want to read this article.
I think it's from the Toronto Stars, so I'm gonna
check it out for what it's worth. China open to
talks if US shows respect and names a point person. Again,
China wants to have a boil on the inside. Shocker.

(01:36:50):
I know how many Chinese spies have we found that
were inside of different political cabinets? Neither here nor there.
Let's talk about it, shall we. China wants to see
a number of steps from President Trump's administration before will
agree to trade talks, including showing more respect by reigning
in dispara during remarks by members of his cabinet. Highly unlikely,
according to a person familiar with the Chinese government's thinking.

(01:37:11):
Other conditions include a more consistent US position and a
willingness to address China's concerns around American sanctions and Taiwan.
Again not likely, said the person, who asked not to
be identified to discuss internal thinking. Beijing also wants the
US to appoint a person a point person for talks
who has the President's support and can help prepare a

(01:37:33):
deal that Trump and Chinese leaders Ji Japan can sign
when they meet, the person said. The fate of the
global economy and the financial markets hinges on in large
part on whether the US and China can find a
way to avoid a practical trade war. Trump is at
China with a with tariffs of one hundred and forty
five percent on most goods since taking office, prompting Beijing

(01:37:56):
to retaliate and threaten to wipe out most trade between
the world's biggest economies. The offshore one gained zero point
two percent against the dollar in the wake of the report.
The Australian dollar, a China proxy currency, is also advanced
zero point five percent. The S and P five hundred

(01:38:17):
index futures paired losses from as much as one point
six percent early in or earlier in the session. The
rapid onslaught of the US tariffs has in uh in
engineered red. I think that's I don't know what that
word's supposed to be, Honestly, I think it's supposed to
be engineered, engendered, engender okay. The rapid onslaught of US

(01:38:42):
tariffs has engendered broad public support in China for retaliation,
giving G a political incentive to rebuff Trump's repeated demands
for a phone call. The US leader on Tuesday again
called on China to reach out to him in order
to kick off negotiations to resolve the trade fight. It's
unclear what will be uh produce a breakthrough to get
talks moving. While both sides have indicated their open to negotiations,

(01:39:05):
Trump appeared determined to get G on the phone straight away,
while China wants any conversation between the leaders to produce
a clear outcome. Even then, if they agreed to on process,
fundamental questions persist on what any arrangement would look like.
Trump's demand remains unclear, and tariff levels on China would
need to remain high to achieve his goal of balancing

(01:39:25):
trade and attracting manufacturers to the US. They go into
the difficult road ahead here. However, let's read about what
jd Vance had to comment on this. And I know
some people hate him, some people love him. I'm kind
of in the middle on him personally, but anyway, while
the person didn't identify any specific comments by administration officials.

(01:39:46):
Beijing has recently expressed notable displeasure with comments Vice President
JD Vance made about Chinese peasants. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Linging,
I hope I'm pronouncing that right. Last week called the
remarks ignorant and disrespectful in what was a rare direct
rebuke of a US senior leader. In addition to wanting

(01:40:08):
a consistent message from the US administration, officials in Beijing
also want to know that Washington is ready to address
some of China's concerns, the person said. Chief among those
is the prevailing perception among Chinese officials that the US
has enacted policies designed to contain and suppress China's modernization.
I don't think that's yeah, okay, the point person here.

(01:40:31):
China also wants the US to address its national security concerns,
particularly over Taiwan. Beijing claims the self governing island as
part of its territory and has pledged to take steps,
including military action, if necessary, to protect those claims. China
will not undertake any provocative actions on Taiwan, but it
will respond if provoked. Again, no one's provoking them, No

(01:40:55):
one's going to provoke them. But okay. Finally, Beijing also
wants the US to donate a point person to oversee talks.
The person said, China has no preference on who this is,
but they want the person to clearly be speaking and
acting with Trump's authority. I don't this sit in like
Game of Thrones, hand of the king kind of stuff.

(01:41:15):
You want Trump's authority, You got to talk to Trump.
I don't know why they have the need to go
through a middleman. Like Trump has told them, Yo, pick
up the phone, call me. Like that was the big thing.
Whenever you put all these tariffs down and you put
that ninety day hold on all the tariffs. He told them, listen,
if you're willing to come and negotiate, we don't have
to go this route. If you take retaliatory measures towards us,

(01:41:38):
things will get worse. He made it was like an
eighty something percent tariff, China took retaliatory measures one hundred
and forty five percent. China took more retaliatory measures two
hundred and forty five percent tariffs. Now China's willing to
come to the negotiation. It's like, why, why did we
have to do this like if you're trying to flex
on which one of us has got the longer stroke

(01:41:58):
game here, I promise you the answer is clear. But like,
we can go this route if you want to go
this route. But all the things concerning here. The Trump
administration confirmed Wednesday morning the baseline tariff rate on Chinese
imports to the US remains one hundred and forty five percent,
after a White House fact sheet released Tuesday afternoon, Washington

(01:42:19):
Times said that China now faces up to a two
hundred and forty five percent tariff on imports to the
United States as a result of the retaliatory action. So
I hope that everybody can get together and be adults
about it and figure things out here. However, that being said,

(01:42:40):
Donald Trump don't trust China. China is assh I like him.
I like him a lot. Uh, you know, I don't
trust him. I still don't and probably never will, to
be honest with you, as long as she is in
charge or as long as China is a communist country,
I'm never going to really trust them. But if they
wanted to really go down the road here to see
which one of the people will blink first, say what

(01:43:02):
you want about Trump. Like him, hate him, Think he's incompetent,
think he's an evil genius, whatever, whatever. You're not going
to out trump him. You're not going to out audacity
the man. This is the environment to which he thrives,
and we're getting into an economic war. The man speaks

(01:43:23):
the economic language. That's, if anything, that's the one language
he speaks very well. So I don't know why she
thought that this was going to play out in a
different way, And who knows. It's still very early. It
said as of Wednesday morning, so as a time of
recording that was like fourteen hours ago that that dropped.
It's very possible that later this week they go back

(01:43:44):
on it and Trump hits him with some sort of
five hundred percent terror for some wild shit. It is
so possible. But that would be so bad for the
Chinese economy. But I don't understand a world in which
that's gonna play out positively or even neutrally for them.
It's not like they can go and beat the streets
and find more buyers for their goods in other places.
Most countries don't have the buying power to sustain maybe

(01:44:08):
a yeah, I don't know, I don't know. If anybody
wants to weigh in on that one, please feel free.
I'm gonna check over here on the chat real quick.
Hold on here, what is this? Ravenlee shared a map? Oh,
that's the North Pole and all the land that's claimed
by different people. That's legit. Let's see here, h everyone's

(01:44:30):
favorite tranny. What a fucking fuzzy Yeah, I agree, I agree,
but yeah I get it. Yeah. Look, I don't know
what's to really be expected from the tariff war. I
know that Trump's gonna win it regardless, because that's just
what he does as far as economic wars go. That
being said, that's kind of a massive flex. I feel

(01:44:53):
like they're at the poker table right now. Anybody who
ever watched like the World Series of Poker or anything
like that. These two guys, and one of them thinks
he's got the strongest hand at the table. The other
one knows he's got the strongest hand at the table,
and they keep like upping the bet on each other,
and then finally one of them makes the signal like
he's about to go all in. And I don't mean

(01:45:15):
on a military standpoint, nothing, nothing about actual armaments or
weapons or anything like that. Strictly money and flexing on
each other. It's the gamble. It's the game here. Right
Trump is making the signal like he's willing to go
all in against everybody right now, everybody else at the
table is gonna have to match his bet. Nobody sitting

(01:45:39):
at the table has the ability or the want to
match this bet. There's a few that are gonna try
to save face, and they're gonna try to make it
seem like they got it figured out. It's it's not
gonna play out well unless the American economy absolutely collapses
under its own weight, which it was at risk of

(01:46:01):
for a good while there. Everybody was saying that we
were practically in a recession, whether they were willing to
admit it or not. And we are now on the
other side of that, or beginning to get to the
other side of that, and it seems like the crisis averted,
but new crisis might have been spawned up as a
result of that. Right that being said, Yeah, yeah, I'm

(01:46:22):
glad that China's finally, hopefully potentially seeing the light at
the end of this tunnel and being like, hey, hey man,
we don't want that smoke. Let's talk about it. You know,
but we shall see, we shall see how everything goes.
Let's see, let's go back to another article that I
had pulled up here. Uh, we talked about Dinah, talked

(01:46:48):
about China. You know what. Hey, let's go ahead and
talk about what Royce had brought up here. Apparently we
got a potential serial killer. What the hell? Okay, I
don't really see much of a common thread between the
three victims. Usually a serial killer has like a type
they hunt for. But okay, let's get after it. Here.
Dead women are turning up a New England beach towns.

(01:47:08):
Police deny a pattern, but locals fear a serial killer. Yeah,
that's all I was saying. I don't see much of
a pattern here in age and race and any of that,
except for the fact that they were all women. Like,
all right, let's dive in a little bit here. Since March,
bodies of six people have been discovered in Connecticut, Massachusetts,
and Rhode Island. Three of the remains were identified as
belonging to women aging thirty five, fifty six, and fifty nine.

(01:47:32):
News of the disturbing discoveries is fueling speculation about a
serial killer or killers preying on New England residents. The
rumbling start on social media in early April. Posts about
bodies seriously turning up in sleepy towns in the coastal
New England states of Connecticut, Rhode Island Massachusetts began hitting
for you pages on TikTok and newsfeed on x Since

(01:47:54):
early March, the remains of six people have been found
in towns close to one another in three states, ramping
up speculation about a serial killer in the area social media.
Social media users claim the disturbing discoveries are connected, but
police say they haven't yet found any links between the cases.
Police are also cautioning the public not to jump to
any conclusions. Yeah, I bet they are. I would tell

(01:48:15):
people don't rush to judgment, Groton Police Chief Lewis Fosso
told the News on April eleventh. Given the relative proximity
of the towns where the remains are found, people are
telling each other to stay away from their surroundings and
report any suspicious behavior. On March nineteenth, human remains are
found near Colonel Ledyard Cemetery in the seaside Connecticut town

(01:48:38):
of Groton. The remains belong to a female between the
ages of forty and sixty. God, that's a wide age gap,
all right, between the ages of forty and sixty, and
we're left near the cemetery. In mid February, investigators said
per NBC Connecticut, the woman may have been missing before that.
They said, well, no, shit, sherlock all right. Anyway, her

(01:48:59):
remains found in a suitcase. Okay, that's a bit of
a nuance here. Residents concerned about the new discovery became
spooked when they learned that the bodies of two other
women had recently been found in two other Connecticut towns, Norwalk, Norwalk,
Sure and New Haven. On March six, remains of a
woman identified as Page fan in thirty five of West Islip,

(01:49:21):
New York, were found in the Norwalk River near the
abandoned Gritztmill Road bridge in Norwalk near the Wilton border. Okay.
The same day, March six, a human skull was found
in the woods off Route three in Plymouth on the
Massachusetts Coast. Authorities have not yet determined age or gender.
Weeks later, on March twenty first, the body of a

(01:49:42):
third Connecticut woman, identified as Denise Leary fifty nine, was
found in New Haven, about forty minutes away from Norwalk.
According to New Haven Police, Leria, a mother of two
for New Haven, was reported missing in August. People who
were cleany or clearing brush behind their house in Rock
Creek found her remains. Five days later, the body of
a woman was found in the woods in Foster, Rhode Island.

(01:50:03):
Michelle Romano, fifty six, was reported missing from the coastal
town of Warwick in August. Police say her death has
been determined to be as suspicious in nature. Authorities have
not yet said how she died. Most recently, on Wednesday,
April ninth, human remains are found in woodwards in killing Lye.
The Connecticut State Police told the people in an email

(01:50:25):
they have not yet been identified. This investigation is in
the early stages, remains active and ongoing, and there is
no information about the time suggesting any connection to similar
remains discoveries actively under investigation by the CSP or the
CT law enforcement agencies. The statement also said there is
no known threat to the public at this time. Officials

(01:50:46):
are still trying to determine the cause and manner of
all of their deaths. Okay, well, that's just a depressing
way to wrap this one up, isn't it. But okay,
and it's possible social media is going to be social
media and is going to be TikTok. But I you know,
I'm not saying that there's obviously some sort of a
serial killer on the luce here. It's horrible that there's

(01:51:08):
bodies being discovered and and that's horrible. But also, I
you know, I'm why don't people just carry weapons? It'd
be so much easier to just go buy a gun
and carry it with you at all times. I don't know, Okay,
let's see here, anything else going on in the chat here.

(01:51:30):
Raven Lee has shared an article the Daily Express archaeology
breakthrough at the church standing where Jesus was crucified, Oh,
the Sepulcher Ooh, well, you know, actually I've just recently
heard a different belief as far as where they believe
Jesus was crucified. There's two mounds. Yes, they're both. It

(01:51:53):
could be referred to as Golgotha or Place of the Skull, right,
they are next to each other. But there is a
conversation now whether the Holy Church of the Sepulcher is
actually built on the correct site or not. So actually,
I am very interested to see what you have brought
to the table here, Raven, let's check it out. The
Church of the Holy Sepulcher Sepulcher in Jerusalem is believed

(01:52:16):
to be the site where Jesus crucifixion, burial, and resurrection,
and recent archaeological digs have revealed a huge amount of
history about the site. Yeah, so the things that I
had researched here recently showed that back in the day
before it was the land was taken back by the
Israelites and the Hebrews, way back when. Apparently gold Gotha

(01:52:38):
is the place where they sacrificed their children to Moloch,
the Canaanite god. And that's also why that place is
known as the Mound of the Skull. That and also
the side of the mound looks like it has a
skull etched into the side of it. So I've heard
both being true. But let's check it out here. Recent
excavations traditionally held by the at the Holy Church of
the Sepulchurt traditionally hailed to be the cation of Jesus Crucifixion,

(01:53:01):
have un earth fascinating historical artifacts. The latest discoveries indicate
that the site, which dates back to the fourth century
were initially an ancient quarry. Signs of extensive stone attraction,
including deep saw marks in the rocks, suggest that the
area was deserted during the Iron Age before being repurposed
for farming activities in the Roman Era. Following the AD

(01:53:23):
seventy siege, Emperor Hadrian erected a pagan temple on the site.
The temple stood into the fourth century, where Emperor Constantine
commanded its destruction to make way for the Christian Church.

Speaker 9 (01:53:35):
Can I interrupt real quick? I'm sorry, but Hadrian was
not emperor until one seventeen AD, so that would have
been the Spacian So continue. The article's wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:53:47):
Yeah, I'm trying to read here. It says, yeah, following
the siege, Emperor Hadrian erected a pagan temple. Yeah, that's
not correct at all. I'll be damn good. Call tony
good call Okay. So let's see here stood until the
fourth century, when Emperor Constantine commanded its destruction to make
way for the Christian Church. Excavation spearheaded by Marcarius, the

(01:54:10):
first Bishop of Jerusalem, revealed a rock hewn tomb identified
as Jesus burial place. Among the recent findings are remain
or remnants of Roman cultic structures, underscoring the sites shifting
religious significance over time. Currently, archaeologists are concentrating their efforts
on further probing the northern aisle of the church, scrutinizing

(01:54:31):
the Roman foundations, and delving into the historical strata that
contributed to the site's religious prominence. Now that's Fascinatingway is
there more here?

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Yeah, here we go. These discoveries play a crucial role
in comprehending the evolution of early Christian sanctuaries, which were
constructed to cater two pilgrims. The excavation offers vital insights
into the site's evolution into a significant hub of Christian worship,
as well as its relevance relevance in the wider religion
context of Jerusalem. The continuous effort aims to record the

(01:55:04):
church's complete architectural development and its significance in the spiritual
and cultural tapestry of the city. You know, I've heard
a lot of things as far as like what's going
on with Jerusalem in an archaeological standpoint here recently, like,
for instance, Herod's Palace, the Palate of Herod the Great,
not who was the one. It wasn't Herod the Great

(01:55:26):
that had Jesus crucified. It was his son Herod. I'm
gonna butcher the second part Argustia something. There was another
part of that name. His palace wasn't at Herod's palace
in the city of Jerusalem. As a matter of fact,
conscious pilot was staying at the actual palace of Herod
the Great at the time. So there's a lot of

(01:55:47):
the story of the final day of jesus life right
well before the cruise fixion. He came back from the
dead to all this stuff. But they believed for the
longest time that when he was put on trial, right
he went right next door to where the temple stood,
to where the Roman barracks were housed. They are now

(01:56:08):
starting to believe that he might have been brought to
a different place as far as his prison and beating
and all that goes, because there was another barracks for
Roman soldiers close to the palace of Haret the Great,
which is a parking lot today, I might add, But
they believe that that barracks is where he might have
been tortured and scored. Right then, as far as where

(01:56:28):
everything is played out here. They thought for the longest
time that he was, you know, carried his cross through
the entirety of Jerusalem to go to that spot. But
on the backside of where Harrod's Palace once stood, which
was at one time the wall surrounding Jerusalem. That backside
there they now have found a spot where there was stairs,
there was a stage, if you will, and it seems

(01:56:51):
like that might have been a place for judgment that
was literally just through the door. Oh, I wish I
had the thing pulled up. There's a whole there's a whole, uh,
like three D model showing where Herod's Palace was, which
was being occupied by Pontius Pilot, third governor of Judea,
all of these things, and on the other side of
the wall, Harrod's Palace like butted up to that wall.

(01:57:13):
On the other side of that wall. It's been destroyed
since then, but there was at one time like a doorway, stairs,
a whole platform where basically he just had to step
out and he'd be, you know, presenting to the crowd
in this way. So they actually think that Jesus didn't
walk through the city of Jerusalem. He walked around the
outskirts as he was carrying his cross. And also as

(01:57:33):
far as what I said earlier is the barracks that
was right next to the temple. They think that the
whaling wall is like the last remaining wall of the
original temple. But that doesn't make sense per the written traditions,
because they said that the Roman guards were able to
peer down into what's it called the the woman's not

(01:57:56):
the women's section, the women's section, thank you. It was
like the outer on where even women were allowed to go,
and they were able to peer into that from their
vantage point. The problem is their vantage point is the
whaling wall. So we actually believe that that whaling wall
might be the dividing line between the former Roman barracks
and the women's section of the temple. I see your

(01:58:20):
hand raised, Royce. I know you're gonna want to weigh
it as well.

Speaker 6 (01:58:25):
Funny enough, it wasn't entirely regardless relating to the what
you're talking about right now. But as far as the wall,
so do you know that that's not a part of
the wall of the temple so as a retaining wall
for the temple mount.

Speaker 13 (01:58:40):
So like that doesn't it hit is holy because it's
abudded next to but like so like on top of
the temple mount, where the dome on the rock currently is,
is where the temple is, where our temple it used
to be, right, So that's that's for sure.

Speaker 14 (01:58:58):
Abe, here's a quick question that I have.

Speaker 6 (01:59:03):
So the san Hedrin was still operating in the time
of Jesus. The san Hedrin, the Jewish court system put
people to death before, for sure.

Speaker 14 (01:59:18):
So like, I don't understand.

Speaker 6 (01:59:22):
Why they wouldn't have done it themselves, why they needed
to go through a Roman emissary, because like, we have
our own court system, we have our own like ways
to sentence people.

Speaker 14 (01:59:34):
So something that does that doesn't does not.

Speaker 6 (01:59:37):
Make sense to my logical slash Jewish brain. I feel
where like, if we already have a court system that's
already established that we've put people to death before, why
go through the Romans?

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
Be all right? So uh, long story, short political reasons
because the Sanhedron at this time, yeah, they were operating
completely under the thumb of Rome, right, Like, hold.

Speaker 14 (02:00:08):
But who cares if we? If we?

Speaker 6 (02:00:09):
If so, if Roman wants to kill this guy anyway,
why does it matter who kills him?

Speaker 14 (02:00:16):
That doesn't make sense if if it's.

Speaker 1 (02:00:17):
Political Rome didn't want him dead. Rome didn't care. They
put him under trial and Pont just said he was
he was an innocent guy, like they found nothing wrong
with him. The Sanhedron wanted him dead, Sam Hedron, excuse me,
because he was claiming things that they called heretical. He
was things that they saw as completely against their ways.

(02:00:40):
And yeah, they tried stoning him once, not too far
back from when he was crucified. That didn't go well,
but they attempted.

Speaker 6 (02:00:49):
I thought, I thought, I thought the stony wash the prostitute.

Speaker 1 (02:00:54):
That separate, separate conversation. Although they were trying to stone
the prostitute. But Jesus came to the temple and preached
on the steps outside of the temple, and the Pharisees
tried stoning him for that, and they hit a couple
of his apostles, but neither here nor there. They wanted
him dead for their own political reasons and their own
religious reasons, for sure. But the reason why they chose

(02:01:14):
to use the Roman sword figuratively not actually as the
mechanism for death was because it would have put them
in a better grace as far as their oppressors of
the day and age, right they were trying to play
the political game to get Shade thrown off of them
because at that time, and Tony helped me out here,

(02:01:35):
there was a bit of I mean, there's always been
upheaval as far as like if you look at the
historicity of Rome in Judea, but at that particular point
in time, there was a lot of upheaval and they
saw this as kind of like a bargaining chip, if
you will.

Speaker 9 (02:01:53):
So my understanding is that just from watching the passion
of the Christ, conscious pilot wasn't sure if he should
kill Jesus or not. He didn't really want to, but
he said, if I kill him, his supporters might revolt
against me, and if I don't kill him, Jesus' enemies
might revolt against me. So he was caught in a
tough spot right there. And of course the Caiaphas and

(02:02:18):
the Pharisee authorities wanted to get the Romans to do
this or at least sign off on it as much
as possible, so that if they're killing him, for example,
assuming they did it, if that provoked a revolt, then
the Romans might have the Pharisees back a little more. So, Yeah,

(02:02:40):
it was politics and I'm doing a bad job explaining it.
I want to come back to a brief thing I
said earlier about Yeah, it was Vespasian Flavius who was
emperor in seventy eighty and his son Titus conquered Jerusalem
killed a lot of people. Titus is mentioned in the Talmud,
and Titus later became emperor. That was there's one major war.

(02:03:00):
There was another major Roman Jewish war, and one seventeen
AD at the beginning of Hadrian's reign, and then there
was a third one called the Barkokpa revolt in one
thirty five or so ap toward the end of Adrian's reign.
And Hadrian did build that temple, the Aalia Capitalina in Jerusalem,
but it wasn't at seventy a D. So that's what

(02:03:21):
tripped me up. When I was reading that and I
saw seventy a D. I thought that's way too early.

Speaker 1 (02:03:26):
Yeah, seven eight is when they destroyed the temple because
of the Jewish revolt. And if we really want to
call as the first of three, yeah, who was the
who fired the first shot on that one? So to speak.
That's that's a whole conversation. But so all right, Pontus
Pilot himself was a younger guy, and I don't mean
youngers and like he was a teenager, no, no, But

(02:03:46):
he only got that position because of his father's influence
in Rome at that time, right, and the Pharisees, specifically Caiaphas,
knew that if they were to kill Jesus, he had
an insane following, right, And at that time during Passover,
when Jesus came to Jerusalem, they knew that if they

(02:04:07):
killed him they themselves that would have made him a
martyr and they would have been an even bigger uproar,
and they were not afraid of but they didn't want
to lose any of their sway over their people, so
they wanted to make it seem like it was the
evil Romans that did it, not us. We were justified
in all of our actions, and it was like a
very political exchange, if you will. Now, on the other

(02:04:31):
side of that, poncious Pilot, he didn't want to kill Jesus.
As a matter of fact, he washed his hands of
it and said, I find no fault with this man.
And apparently y'all find fault in him because of some
things that he said. That's not my problem. Why are
you making it my problem. That's when he brought out
Jesus Christ and Jesus Barrabas, which, by the way, Barabbas
the guy released. His first name was Jesus too. It's
the whole thing, which Jesus should I release, right, And

(02:04:53):
they wanted Barrabas release, and they wanted to kill Jesus.
If he would have said, no, I'm not going to
kill this senicent guy, he was afraid of an uproar,
like an actual revolt to happen, and he was already
almost on his third strike as far as the Romans
were concerned. If Pontus had one more thing go wrong,
he would have lost his position, if not lost his life,

(02:05:13):
and he knew that regardless of his father's influence. So
he killed Jesus to appease the crowd. Kaiaphas wanted Jesus killed,
said he could maintain his influence and power. And yeah,
it was a whole it was a whole, messy, messy,
messy situation. But all of those prophesied in Psalms twenty two,
like all the way down to them, like gambling over
his clothes as he was being crucified, and the nails

(02:05:35):
going through his hands and feet. All that was prophesies
and psalms, So like it's a whole thing.

Speaker 14 (02:05:40):
But I don't know if I would agree with that one.
But I hear, I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (02:05:43):
Have you checked Psalms twenty two? Brother?

Speaker 6 (02:05:46):
So besides, it's been a little bit. However, there are
commentaries that have been written for a long time that
have probably explained things.

Speaker 14 (02:05:56):
And okay, so here's my.

Speaker 6 (02:06:01):
Can point a contention with when people take Hebrew scriptures,
not necessarily out of context, but don't translate or understand
them how the Jews have for the past couple thousand years.
For example, I'm sure you're familiar with Isaiah fifty three.

(02:06:25):
We're talking about the suffering servant. Yeah, who is the
suffering servant? Your answer to me is gonna be a Jesus? Right?

Speaker 1 (02:06:32):
Could be?

Speaker 6 (02:06:32):
However, earlier in Isaiah, Isaiah says specifically, the suffering servant
is the children of Israel. Right, So, like, it's not
understood how Christians mean it.

Speaker 1 (02:06:52):
No, No, I hear what you're saying. Would that not
make sense that Jesus would be the suffering servant for
all of Israel?

Speaker 6 (02:07:00):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:07:02):
Why not.

Speaker 6 (02:07:04):
Because we don't need a different method of atonement because
God already gave it to us. Every well, so we're
so sorry. So the sacrifices, then, I'm saying, even even now,
like eventually Jews do help that the temple will be reinstituted,

(02:07:27):
the sacrifices will be had, but even but these are
the things that that God instituted. So it's not like.

Speaker 14 (02:07:35):
You or I just said, all right, well, we're going
to do this.

Speaker 6 (02:07:39):
And because the the Hebrew word for sacrifice is carbon,
which comes from the word kirub is to bring close,
So like these are these are things that God's made
and even every single year on the day of Atonement,
like A said that every single year, this is this

(02:07:59):
is what it's going to be. Right, So in a
Jewish person's opinion, there didn't need to be any kind
of Messiah figure as far as a like how how
the Christians think of him, because that's not how how
we do because he needs to be human from a

(02:08:23):
Jewish woman, from from the line of David. So there's
so no supernatural like yours. Your soul needs are record
deemed because nowhere in the Torah or honestly anywhere in
the Old Testament anyway, it talks about an internal damnation
from God.

Speaker 1 (02:08:43):
So even like let's just.

Speaker 6 (02:08:45):
Say Shale or Ghem or a place where your soul
potentially gets purified for the sins you've done in this life,
never once have I mean, I could be talking out
of ignorance, and I'll do more studies as.

Speaker 14 (02:09:05):
As we go.

Speaker 6 (02:09:06):
But Judaism doesn't talk about an internal damnation from Hell, right,
So what so if in our literature and understanding we
don't believe that there's going to be an internal separation
from God, why would do we need Jesus?

Speaker 1 (02:09:26):
Why did everybody believe that Jesus or the Messiah, I
don't want to say just Jesus. Why did everybody believe
that the Messiah is going to be some sort of
a military figure. It said that he would lead to
a new.

Speaker 6 (02:09:39):
Because you know, part of it is that, like the
whole uh the wars, I think of God and magog
and that he he will usher in world peace through
I guess strength of that evil will be eradicated.

Speaker 14 (02:09:55):
I think that's really where it comes from, is that.

Speaker 6 (02:09:57):
Since we believe that evil will will eventually be no
more than by necessity, the leader must fight God's battles.

Speaker 1 (02:10:08):
I at least understand the line of thinking, for sure,
But even still, when it's talking about the Messiah itself, right,
they describe in grave detail all of the boxes that
must be checked, right, And and you and I have
talked about this offline before, and we you know, respectfully disagree.

Speaker 14 (02:10:31):
On which sure, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:10:33):
We're not checked and everything, but yeah, it's still very
interesting to look at for sure.

Speaker 14 (02:10:37):
Sure, that's absolutely yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (02:10:39):
Yeah, anyway, all right, so yeah, I just realized we
me and you could probably have this conversation for another
two hours. Tony, I see you unmuted. I'm sure you
want to weigh in.

Speaker 9 (02:10:49):
Yeah, I wanted to chime in. I'm a little in
between you two on some of this prophecy stuff. In general,
I don't really believe super huge in prophecies. I hope
I don't get too heretically here, but part of me,
I'm not one hundred percent sure Jesus was actually born
in Bethlehem, because he's from Nazareth. He's a Northerner. Bethlehem's

(02:11:12):
way south. But there was this need to put his
birthplace in Bethlehem because there was a prophecy about it,
and oh, how convenient he fulfills that prophecy if we
just make him born in Bethlehem. Oh and he's also
got to be descended from the line of David, so
we got to work that in there. Because the tribe
of Judah is south of Jerusalem. It includes Jerusalem, but

(02:11:34):
those northern tribes were already mostly lost before the time
of Jesus, and he was born way up there. So
what exactly is he Well, I feel like there's this
tendency to try to force him to fulfill a lot
of prophecies. And in Catholicism this means that, Okay, Mary's
got to be a virgin, and she must be always

(02:11:54):
a virgin, and to other people that particular belief is
not that important. And you know, you just start lining
up all these boxes that have to be checked, for example,
and at a point I go, okay, okay, I'm supposed
to have faith in this, but do I really have
faith in it? I'm going to plead the fifth I
guess I don't want to be too much of a heretic.

(02:12:15):
I am a Knight of Columbus, and yeah, I don't
want to scandalize anyone no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (02:12:20):
Something why they had to move or at least leave
Nazareth was because Herod the Great quote unquote the Great
put out a proclamation that everybody in Nazareth that was
too or under had to be put to death because
some guys approached him and said they were coming to
meet the new king that was being born, and they
said that he was going to be from Nazareth. So
he put that proclamation out, and allegedly that's when Jesus

(02:12:42):
had to go to Egypt. And while some people believe
that's where he spent his early years and that's why
he's some sort of ascended master type. And I know
I'm sounding a lot like Jonathan at this one. That
is at least the trail of thinking that would lead
to why they had to go to Bethlehem rather than
stay in Nazareth. But then cut too, when he comes
back to Nazareth, everybody knows him as the carpenter's kid,

(02:13:04):
you know. And Mary, we know for sure had four
other sons, not Jesus, and up to two daughters, maybe more.
But yeah, certain people believe that that takes away from
her significance. I am not of that, but yeah, I
feel you on that it's a lot of people try
to force a circle into a square hole.

Speaker 11 (02:13:26):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (02:13:27):
And I'm with you on that there's a lot of
people that will like go to the extremes to make
it do that. I would like to not be one
of those people. I would like to be somebody who
looks at the confirmed, indisputable facts and go from there.
And at least in my studies, the indisputable facts have
put me onto the trajectory and the thought process that

(02:13:48):
I'm on. But I know a lot of Christians really
do not like my stance on a lot of things.
And that's okay.

Speaker 9 (02:13:53):
It's really hard to know much of anything that's going on.

Speaker 1 (02:13:56):
Back it out on a sair Tony.

Speaker 9 (02:14:01):
The Holy Innocence. If there were, you know, all these
babies being killed on the order of a king, and
wouldn't that king get really unpopular for doing that and
maybe even be overthrown or close to it. Wouldn't it
have at least been written down? Well, if it was,
it hasn't survived, neither has anything else about his childhood.

(02:14:21):
It just kind of feels like a story that people
would make up to make it as interesting as possible,
and it would be really nice if there were more
information that survived, like the census records or something. Do
we have any Roman censuses?

Speaker 1 (02:14:35):
We do? We do. Indeed, there are Roman censuses from
Nazareth that show a serious population dip around that time.
And the argument as far as Harod not being overthrown
was because the Herod senior was really tight with Rome
and like he if they would have tried to overthrow him,

(02:14:56):
the Romans would have had his back and quelled the resistance.
So he kind of had carte blanche ability to do
what he wanted with his people as long as he
didn't make it a problem for the Romans, they let
him do what they wanted. And that's that was like
the gentle balancing act. And it's not like that was
just indicative of Herod. I mean, there was a lot
of Roman conquested areas that had local leadership that they

(02:15:18):
tried to let remain in place. And yeah, they put
Roman governors over them, but as long as they could
have a decent working relationship with the people, then they
would try to do that as best they could. Rather
than force their beliefs on them, they would allow these
people to maintain their own religion in a lot of
cases and things like that. But the second it became
a Roman problem, they ended that problem. That was a

(02:15:40):
reoccurring theme for them for sure. But anyway, so yeah, again,
we could talk about this literally all night, and I
do have to edit this so we can get out
the next day. So I do want to thank everybody
for coming in and chiming in on this episode. Anybody
listening to this on Thursday, if you would like to
be a part of the conversation, then please come check
out The Cajun Night on Patreon. I will put the

(02:16:02):
linklin description below as I do every episode, and this
is what we do. We talk about all the geopolitics,
we talk about some religion, we talk about some history,
we talk about some anthropology, some languages all over the
place with this and I really look forward to our
Wednesday night conversations. Again, I want to thank everybody for
joining joining in on this one and until next time,
as always, God bless

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