Cryptid Women’s Society | Live with Katy Elizabeth, The Lake Champlain Lake Monster... Champ Exists! - Cult of Conspiracy

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
A woman's Society, Walking in the Shadows the culttition, a
woman's society. You're walking in the shadows the cultition.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Welcome to Walking in the Shadows with Crypto Women's Society.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
My name is Lisa, Ry and Juliet, and below us
we have the beautiful Katie Elizabeth.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Hi, guys, I need to see you.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
We are so incredibly privileged to have the beautiful Katie
Elizabeth join us today. It has been such a long
time coming to make this unity happen, to come together
into a beautiful little package, wrapped up in a ribbon
with a giant bow on top and possibly some sort.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Of a lake monster as a little apty.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I just kind of imagine with this late little nick
and we are just so very very excited to have
you here.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
Thank you so much for joining us after your dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
It's actually lunchtime for us at the moment, or lunchtime
for me. It's still breakfast for Juliet over in Melbourne.
And so welcome to our show. Thank you so much
for joining us. How are you today?

Speaker 4 (01:31):
I'm doing gree and I'm glad you guys are doing
gree And it's such a pleasure to be on the show,
and like I said off the air, if my dogs
start barking, I'll go inside because they have big mouths.
Sometimes love them both, but it's like, come on, guys,
as soon as I as soon as I was live
with you guys, and they started barking, or like every time,
every damn time.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Thank you. It's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Like I said, as well, I've got a farm in
next door to me with a chainsaw, which is just lovely.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
So we'll see how we go.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I have an annoying Chuara in the back, who occasionally
also loses her shit, so we'll see how that goes.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Anything happen, anything could happen. Wow, oh my goodness, where
do we start? Where do we start? Katie Elizabeth? You
have just had the most amazing career, and you know,
Juliet and I have been running Cryptid Women's Society for
the last two years and beyond that or before that,
we've known about you and your work for so many

(02:27):
years because we had late monsters and sea monsters around
us in New Zealand and Australia, because we're obviously in
the South Pacific, so surrounded by water and volcanic caves
and all of that sort of stuff. So you've always
been somebody on our list of women that we admire
and women that we're like, we're going to talk to
that lady.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
Woe. I think you were one about first.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
You were one of our very first ladies that we
wanted to contact and be like, we need to talk.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
To this lady on our list.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Ever, so like and so where do we start? I
don't know how did you get into what? You know,
Juliet said something about you were you were first into
like the paranormal maybe, like, tell us about your life.
How did you kind of dive into this sort of
space and get get sucked into the void that is

(03:17):
cryptozoology and paranormal investigations.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Oh god, that's a perfect way to put it. It's story. Well,
I guess, let's see, started when I was seven years
old and I saw an episode of Unsolved Mysteries with
Robert Stack, and of course Robert Stack made the whole
program with his phenomenal voice, and you know what, the

(03:40):
theme song coming on, you're you're all freaked out into
the covers and you're kind of looking around like someone's
peeking in through the damn windows. But it was that's
what basically started my fascination with Champ seeing the Mancy
photo on that episode of Unsolved Mysteries, and I said
to my mom, I want to go up to Champlaine
and maybe I'll see Champ or whatever. And she was like, Oh,

(04:04):
we'll go one of these days. But it never freaking happened.
It ended up happening in twenty twelve, which is I
wanted to go on a trip up to Champlain and
just see the area anyway, because it's just breathtaking, the
mountains and the blue water and it's just such a
serene looking place. And I was into the paranormal growing

(04:26):
up up until well, I was up into the paranormal
probably until twenty twelve. How do I put this. I
grew up in Warwick, Rhode Island, and we were on
the coast, so my dad was a fisherman at one point.
He also was a trailer salesman. He sold ARV's and
campers and truck caps, which you never see truck caps

(04:46):
on the truck anymore. I think I saw one last week,
which is really unusual. It's something I was back in
the eighties and nineties that was pretty popular. But you know,
he did a lot of fishing and stuff, and growing
up on the coast, it was really interesting to have,
you know, being on the water and seeing whales and

(05:07):
dolphins and other types of natural phenomenon on the water,
boat wakes and whatnot. Knowing my gog's bark cut it out,
but it really helped to help in my research today
because it was something that I have eyes for the
water and what the difference is between boat wakes and

(05:29):
something totally different. And so growing up, I first when
I was born in eighty five. I hate to say
what year I was born. I feel like I'm getting
so old now.

Speaker 5 (05:42):
Just sorry, were you born in eighty five?

Speaker 4 (05:45):
Eighty five?

Speaker 5 (05:46):
Yeah? Way before that?

Speaker 6 (05:54):
Okay, okay, I'll behave myself. So growing up, it was
crazy because the first house that we had lived in
was haunted and the second house, well, we moved in
with my at my grandmother's house, and there was a
couple of strange I've always had something strange.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Happen no matter where the heck I've lived, but in
particular the house I was first, and when I was little,
I had some paranormal experiences. And sometimes they say, you know,
certain people have that ability to have these sort of
sense these sort of things, and it's it's kind of freaky.

(06:33):
I mean when I was born, I was only two
and a half pounds. I was a premie and I've
heard that sometimes with that there's some sort of ability
that sometimes people that are born premature can have that
sort of ability as well, something to do with being
in the room for so only a certain amount of time,

(06:53):
where then once they're in there for longer you start
to lose those abilities or whatever. Just a theory, but
it was really good. Yeah, Well it was kind of
freaky though, because like I had a couple of experiences
and I started getting into paranormal research. But I stopped
in twenty twelve because I had something follow me home

(07:18):
and my husband at the time was scared because he
was always like, oh, this stuff doesn't exist. But then
we had footsteps going through the house and water faucets
turning on and things like that, so he was like,
You're not going anymore. This is the end of this.
And I'm glad because I do still like the paranormal,

(07:40):
but a very very very cautious because I think a
lot of people underestimate the power I can have.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
Did you bring it home? From an investigation that you
went to or do you.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
Think it was weird? Because I was doing you know
how I am with my research with late creatures. I'm
all over the damn place. So you know, I was
at a cemetery here I was at there was a
place down the road that was a abandoned mental asylum,
and I think that might be where it came from.
I had gotten some EVPs. I still have them on YouTube,

(08:15):
which is well one of them anyway, really creepy where
this guy answered my questions and he said he was
still at the place because of the child. He's just
the child. And I was like, what the hell? And
I'm walking by myself because my friends were too scared
to come.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Out, so.

Speaker 4 (08:34):
I was like, what the hell. And now now it's
like I wouldn't do that, Like I had more guts
back then. I guess they say when you're younger, you
have Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Like nothing, It's so fine until something follows you home
and starts turning on your tips or like open the door.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Totally wait.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
Wait.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
We lived in like Lisa came to live with us,
but we lived in a haunted house for nearly eight
years and it was severely haunted, like we had Poulter
guys activity, we had apparitions, like we had really negative entities,
scratched it, you name it, like floating.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
Heads, like oh my god, like we do.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
We laugh about it now, We're like, how do we
last in that house for so long?

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Eight weeks of just.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Like activity, like weekly activity. It just became part of that.
We named our ghosts. So it's like this another one got.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
To the point where it was on we were just like, no,
we've got stuff to do. Stop it now.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah, Oh my gosh, that's crazy. I don't think I
could deal with Poulter ghost activity. That's just too much
for me. I would be I'd be yelling and screaming
and swearing out it'll get their out of my house
and everything.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
To deal with it.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Sometimes I normally sometimes sometimes it works, but sometimes it doesn't.
I Mean there's some that are just so extreme that
no matter what you do, it can deter for a while,
but then it comes back.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
It comes back.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, So, Katie Elizabeth, I have a question then, if
you have been involved with like you know, the paranormal
and haunted houses and all of this sort of stuff
for such a.

Speaker 5 (10:11):
Long time through your childhood and your youth.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Do you think that that helps you in connecting slash
searching for champ Do you think there's some sort of
a connection there, because I'm you know, there's a lot
of theories around, you know, Bigfoot being into dimensional there's
a lot of theories around, Like in New Zealand we
have the Tunny Fi, which is essentially a lake monster

(10:34):
and an ocean dwelling creature, and that is a scene
as a really spiritual elemental being or a guardian that
can connect in that sort of stuff, and only some
people see it, and you know that sort of stuff.
So is that do you think that has a some
sort of a connection to the Lake Champlain monster?

Speaker 4 (10:57):
You know, a lot of people have asked me that.
And my friend Nick Redfern, who's written books on NeSSI
being some sort of a supernatural type of phenomenon, we've
talked about that. And I do I necessarily believe that
these creatures and I say creatures because there is more
than one in Late Champlain are paranormal. I don't believe

(11:22):
that they're necessarily just paranormal. I believe that there are
biological species, but I think that there's something around them
that protects them. And I think this goes back to
the Native Abanaki and Iroquois, the First Nations people, and
they you know, back in their time. What I hate
about with the Champ thing is the misconception we're dealing

(11:44):
with one hundred foot long monster or just one that
survived the millennial, which is crap, you know, like they
I mean, come on, give me a break. You have
to think of this in scientific terms, which over the
years it's just been blown out of proportion. So there's
a sign down at the lake in this one area
and it says that the Champ animal, well just the

(12:06):
Lake Champlain Sea serpent, like this monster is one hundred
feet long. It's been seen since the eighteen hundreds, which
is boloney. It's been seen by the Native Americans and
they they call these animals the horned serpents. And so
going back and doing some research on that, it does
say that anyone that has good intention has good luck,

(12:33):
but anyone that doesn't have good intention to harm them
it's bad medicine. So, you know, looking at that and
reading about that, it's kind of funny because it makes
me wonder my purpose for what I'm doing the protection
aspect and writing the law to protect them. And then
I recently found out that I have a look not

(12:55):
a lot, but I have a little bit of Native
American background, which I had no idea doing. My an
ancestry with the Narrogantic tribe, which is people of the
Small Point in Rhode Island. So that was really neat.
That was really neat to find that out. So, you know,
having that ancestry is it really And I always felt

(13:16):
like I had some kind of native ancestry. I've got
some Viking and stuff too, and Portuguese Exorian and I've
got I'm a I'm a mutt. Yeah, everything, so we
have when.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
We last longer the time I put it, health last,
Well that's it.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
There you go. So I mean just just seeing the
the spiritual aspect of being the voice and the protector
for these animals, it makes total sense because I have
good intentions and I can't tell you how many times
I've seen people go up to the lake that don't
have good intentions and something bad happens to them every

(13:52):
damn time, and it may it makes me, it makes
me wonder, It's like, what the hell is behind this
is going on? So do I believe that there are
paranormals entity entities. No, I really don't, but there's definitely
something in my opinion, spiritually and within my spiritual believes
that there there's something to protect these creatures.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
It's like a protective spirit around them. Not necessarily, but
that protective spirit around them. And you know, like you're saying,
like these horned serpents have been seen worldwide.

Speaker 5 (14:26):
You know, it's insane.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Like the more you go back into it, the crazier
it is, because you know, it's you know, especially like
you just talking about the horse head looking serpents, and
you know, it's they are literally around the world and
it's you know and like an artwork and a pottery
and you know, and everything like that. So it's like
when I was reading your book and that they were

(14:49):
talking about how it's almost like around the lay lines
almost like where these these creatures are seen, you know,
and it's like these lake monsters are seen kind of
almost like in the same kind of area. I'm not
the north, not really south, but kind of like in
the Susan area. Can kind of expand a little bit
more on that just kind of make it a little

(15:11):
bit more.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
And well, it's really it's really interesting because there are
I mean I can't even name so, like, there's so
many lakes in Canada specifically that there's like a ton
of sightings of these creatures. And we've got Champlain, we've
got Lake Okanagan, we have Lockness. Trying to think, well,
there's a ton of them. Yeah. Even in Ireland there's

(15:36):
the kandam Era where these horse eels they call them,
long spent creatures have been seen in these bogs and
it's like, where the hell are they coming from? Like
in a in a bog. It's really strange. I just
wonder if a lot of these lakes and locks across
the world, it seems to be in clusters, and I

(16:00):
wonder if they are. I never really believe that, like
the tunnel theory, you know, like they're connected by caves
and tunnels. But I'm really starting to kind of wonder
about that. I mean, Okay, for example, Lake Champlain, you've
got Champlain, You've got Lake memphrom Agog, which is a
Native American name that's north of Champlain. There's been sightings there.

(16:22):
There's been sightings in Crystal Lake, Lake willowby Lake Seymour,
and Echo Lake, like there's a cluster where people have
seen these creatures in these lakes. Lake Willoughby's not very big.
It's only five miles long, but it gets down to
about three hundred and fifty feet deep. So there's a
very small but very deep I call it like a

(16:45):
glacial crater. It's like a crater lake. It's like a
big crater to me, it's so deep. And there was
a story back in the eighteen hundreds of a horse
horse team that were carrying big blocks of ice across
Lake Willoughby and the horses broke through the ice, and
I think it was two weeks later they had found

(17:07):
these horses in Crystal Lake up the street. It's like,
how the hell they get there? So the theory is
that there probably is some sort of tunnel going from
lake to lake. What's interesting about that. When I've done
some research up there at Lake Willoughby, I went to
a local gift shop that had a really I gotta

(17:28):
find this book. It's this little handbook and it's not
published online or anything. It's just something that the Historical
Society had put together and it told about the bathymetric
of Lake Willoughby and what was interesting in that book,
and you can find on the Bathymetric anyway, but that
was the first time I actually saw this detail. Was

(17:49):
on the northern side of Lake Willoughby. There's this really
deep hole and that's the end where Crystal Lake is.
So it makes you wonder. It's like, yeah, maybe that's
how they there could be some sort of you know,
tunnel going through. I mean, when you think about it,
when the glaciers went through, there's so many nooks and

(18:11):
crannies and crevices and and it's like, oh well there's
no keeves and Champlaine. That's blowny. The sonar can only
penetrate so far, like a little that's it the bottom.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
Of the lock in Scotland, right lock ness.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
And they're like, oh well, there's no caves, there's no tunnels,
there's no entrances here, so it must be a hoax.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
And I was immediately like, there's no way that the
sona can.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Go that deep and actually really give you clear identification
as to whether or not there is anything further, because
we see that in New Zealand as well. New Zealand
is on is a volcanic island, and you've got the
ring of fire and all of that sort of stuff
going on through and huge volcanic cave systems and all
that sort of stuff. And Juliet and I were cracking

(19:04):
up laughing the other day because she was telling me
a story that she'd just remembered about a caving play.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
A thing that she went to and kind of what happened.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
And I'm sure she's going to tell us very very
shortly because it kind of blew my mind. But it
really shows you that we don't know what we're talking
about as far as getting deep into the earth, and
we're only theorizing with the information that we have in
the data that we have, which is minimal.

Speaker 7 (19:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's these lakes and these
areas are so vast you would literally have to have
divers going up and down the whole way around.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
You know, oh is there a whole you.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Know, it's like you just you would never be able
to you know, you'd never be able to follow it.
So I had an incident, like I used to go
caving when I was younger, We'll never do it again
now that I'm older.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
I'm like same way. Too many movies of cave monsters.
I'm not doing that.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
That's funny. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
So we used to do it like at the at
the Tomeo White like what they call wait Home and stuff.
So we call it the Tomo Caves. And so it's
very well known in New Zealand at the Tomeou Caves.
Even the land around it, there's like a massive caves
and it's just it's huge. Farmers would lose cattle down these,
like into these holes because the ground would open up

(20:26):
and cattle would fall in and lose their dogs, you
name it. So we would do these like huge like
full day so but about nine hours underground and so
you know, so we were right right and there, and
so we were all caving, so you know, you're going around,
and so we were coming down this tunnel. It was
probably only about a meter wide, and this is probably

(20:47):
like five or six hours into caving. So we were
right in the middle of it, and so we're into
water kind of up to our waists. And it was
really funny because we're all sitting there and we're talking
to the guide and all of a sudden we all stopped
and tuned around and all you saw was like this
thing swishing through the water and just bubbles and like, honestly,
people were trying to climb the walls. We were just

(21:09):
like going, what and this thing just went past us whoa,
And they're just kind of carried on and everyone's like,
oh my god, oh my.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
God, what was that.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
And he's like, I've never seen eels in here.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
I've never seen it.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
No, no, it's fine, we're just go but that it
was something really big and it just went cruised on
past us and carried on.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Down, and its just like, oh my gosh.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
So we just no idea, no idea whether it was
like a giant caveal, but generally the eels around the
caves are a lot smaller, you know, they're not really
big because they're smaller, less food, you know, that kind
of stuff. But whatever this thing was, it would have
been well over like a meter meter and a half
and it just just cruised on past us.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
That's really interesting.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Wow, And I said, did you let My first thought
was and who bubbles, not eos, not eels.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yeah, that's really weird. That's really weird. Yeah, you never know,
you never know what the heck is in like these
caves and stuff, and just you know, going over to
Loch Nest and Lockmar was just amazing because I've been
wanting to do that since I was a kid, and
getting over there it was, oh god, how many hours?

(22:25):
Was it? Eight and a half hours. Then it was
another I think an hour and a half from London
Heathrow to Inverness, so you know, for me it was
it was quite a long journey. And I was like, oh,
what the hell, I don't I don't sleep on planes.
I'm not good sleeping on planes at all. And I
was just really glad to get there. And my friend
Steve Jones, who's a former magistrate judged from the UK.

(22:49):
He's a really great guy and he's into the paranormal
and he's dragging me in these cemeteries, cemeteries as he
would say, and I'm like, oh no, come on, Steve,
I don't want this crap to follow me home, you
know something. And I'm like, this is crazy. But it
was really great to meet up with him. He's pagan

(23:09):
and he has his own pagan moot every month and
he's it's so funny because being a magistrate judge and
stuff like, I've never really asked him if he ever
wore all of his rings like his Pentagram rings and
everything else when he was when he was doing the
court and stuff. But having him as as someone that

(23:29):
was with me on the trip was really valuable because
of his background and doing eyewitness interviews and you know,
I know for a fact, I mean with with the
job that he had meeting so many people committing crimes
and whatnot, that he is a really good judge of character.
So it was really great to have that asset of

(23:50):
having him part of my team and and doing that
do any I witness I witness interviews and stuff. And
what was really cool was we got to interview Adrian
Shine from the Lockness Center. And Adrian's been around forever
and so it was really great to meet him. And
you know a lot of people think that he's like
this really hardened skeptic. He's skeptical. I'm not gonna because

(24:14):
I have a documentary coming out called Expedition Scotland, The
Search at Lochness and lot Morar, so I'm not gonna
like spoil it. But it was interesting to speak with
him because he started out at Lockmarar and not lock Ness,
and I was really you know, if I have to say,

(24:35):
what is my favorite place between the two. I will
just say one thing. A lot Mara is my favorite,
and it's really interesting because it is it's so close
to the ocean and it's literally it's like one to
two miles from the ocean. It's like, what the heck
is it? It's so clear you put the rov in

(24:55):
and it's absolutely insanely clear. So I have I had
a great time there. It's so peaceful, so much solitude.
And when you go to Lotness, I love Lockness. It
was great, but it's so busy. You have the tour
boats going down the lock and you know, honestly, the
size of Lockness you can put Lockness six times in

(25:19):
the leak champlain. So when I got there, I was
kind of underwhelmed a little bit, you know, I was.
I was expecting it to be much much larger.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Because it's always made up to be so big, so
so huge, and yeah, yeah, yeah, I understay the underwhelming
thing without without throwing too much information at us and like,
you know, dumping your documentary and now no one needs
to watch it.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
They watch it.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Tell us, did you find anything interesting interesting.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
On either lock? Yes, we did. There was what I
have to do now with I use the hydrophone system
at both places. What I need to do now and
what I am doing because there's a lot of hours
to go through, is the hydrophone recordings. We did get

(26:17):
something quite interesting I but but I can't say for
certain well, first of all, because the documentary, I don't
want to spoil it. And second of all, there what
happens with using a hydrophone and the bioacoustics the sounds
that you're getting from lakes and locks and oceans as well,

(26:39):
is that you have fish, certain species of fish that
make sounds. So there is an interesting sound that I
did get. The only thing is I need to start
doing more comparisons to some of the known fish that
are in these lakes locks. They're quite different. There's some
similar fish to Champlain, but there are some that are

(27:03):
not the same, and I need to really fully go
through the catalog of fish sounds to make sure that
it's not something like that or something mechanical, which I
don't believe this sound is mechanical whatsoever. I've done so
many comparisons with my recordings at Champlain that our echo
location sounds to known fish, things like boat motors and

(27:28):
stuff like that. Too. Yeah, so we did get something interesting.
It's I think, I think probably my favorite part though,
really was going to lot Mora. It was just amazing
to where the coastline is so close and the solitude,
I mean, there's really nobody there, and I managed to

(27:50):
get This is really really freaking cool because there was
a story that was in all the major newspapers in
nineteen sixty nine of these gentlemen that were out on
a boat a lot Marar, and they supposedly had come
into collision with the Morac and it freaked them out

(28:10):
of course, Like there was a tea kettle on the
stove in the boat. It fell off the it fell
off the stove, and one of the guys, uh supposedly
was fighting it off with an oar, and the other
gentleman fired a shot at it. And I this is
so funny because I heard this story and I'm like,
is this boloney? Is this true?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Like?

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Who the heck knows? But I was so fascinated by
the story, and so I had gone on a message
board in the area and I had asked if anybody
did any type any boat for higher stuff on a
lot Morar And the guy that got tagged was the
man's son, the man that had the encounter with his friend,

(28:55):
And I was like, what the heck, this is insane.
So they have the same name, William Simpson, and I said,
oh my god, I know who you are. So he said,
you know, come over, I'll take you out in the boat.
I'll show you some different spots. I'll show you where
my father and his friend had their encounter. So that
was like, that was such a VIP experience to go

(29:18):
out there in the same area. And what's interesting on
that No, to not spoil anything, but with the theory
about Lake Willoughby that I was talking about on that
northern end of Willoughby, where on that end it's Crystal Lake,
and that's where these horses had gone through the ice
and come up in the other lake. What's interesting at

(29:39):
lot Morare is this the end of lot Morare where
they had this encounter is the side where the ocean is.
So there you go. I'm not gonna say my theory
on what I think is going on at lot more Are,
but there's definitely something. They're not there all the time,
and I don't think at Locknees's they're there all home either.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, I was going to ask that because you know,
you know, like it was a couple of years back
now where they they basically did the fall on Sona.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
They had all the boats going all the Sona.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
And they eventually came back and went, No, there's no
lockless monster here or you know, you know, and that's
my feeling. It's like, well, she's not there. You didn't
see her because she's probably the hiding in a the
hiding in caves or you know, all that kind of stuff,
you know, because you know that that's kind of one
of my theories too, is that there's somewhere for them
to go, you know, and you talk about like the

(30:35):
winter time that they would probably kind of hibernate and
stay away from that those cooler, cooler weather and that
kind of stuff in the cooler waters.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
So there's got to.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Be somewhere where they go because there's not like they're
going to be land kind of full on land mammals.
Is that they're not going to come up and sleep
on land or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
You know, The likelihood is they are going to ocean migrate. Right,
I'm going to open my seat down here where.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
They go to the warmer waters and then they come
down to the to the cooler waters as the seasons
change and migration and everything else. And so to think
that there is a creature like you said at the start,
Katie Elizabeth, to think there's a creature sitting in this
like trapped lake that's been there for hundreds of years

(31:21):
and there's only one.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
That's just ridiculous. There's no that's a ridiculous thought. Where
is the.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Reality based around that? You know and side inside.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Like use your brain. That doesn't make sense at all.
That can't be it. So there must be another.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Answer in that they are leaving and they are coming
back for you know, nesting grounds or whatever that looks like.
I mean, in New Zealand, we have seals that come
up onto the land and will lay there, have their
babies right up into the land and then they'll all
come on down. They do this huge trek through the

(31:56):
bush to come back down to the water. And so
if you've got these nesting spaces, you know it's far
more likely.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
And the same with eels. We had this huge looking
of eels.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Down in the South Island, like thousands, like twenty thousand
eels coming up and beaching onto the beachfronts and that
sort of stuff onto the sand, and that was just
part of what they did every year or every five
years or whatever. So I think there's differitely credence in
that theory that in fact they're not staying in one space,

(32:30):
they are migrating through whatever channels we just simply can't see.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Yeah, it's really interesting because likeness. There's a couple stories,
especially one in the nineteen thirties were a bunch of
school children all were by Urkark Castle and they saw
a horrifying looking creature coming out of the woods and
I'm like, what the hell's in the woods? And there's
two major there's two rivers there, and there's also a

(32:55):
lot of wetland there and so my friend Steve Jones
and I we went hiking through through this area. The
unfortunate part was it was very very dry, so looking
for any type of tracks or anything like that was
really tough. But it was really interesting to see the
layout and to see how it's one of the most
ancient pieces of woodland in the area around lot Ness,

(33:19):
and it was really neat to see the diversity of
how ancient this woodland is. So it was really I
just thought like it was really interesting because at Lake
Champlain there's over three hundred thousand acres of marshland, which
is amazing where these creatures have been seen and going
across roads at night, so you're wondering, why the heck

(33:41):
are they going into these swamps. I believe it's really
good feeding area. You have small fish, you have turtles,
you have frogs, you also have vegetation. Now, my belief
with the Champ animals in particular that they're mostly carnivorous
going after fish. With the sonar readings that I got
in twenty nineteen, some of the still shots before they

(34:06):
came into the still shots of the sonar, you could
see huge shoals of fish moving and then them going
after the fish. So with that being said, plus I
had another encounter to where I had seen a champ
animal with a fish in his mouth, but I never
got on video, and I hate talking about it because
it's like, I have my video, I got my video

(34:27):
from twenty fourteen, I've got the sonar, I got the
at the location, So to not get that because it
was so far away and the camera that I had
was crap, total crap. And now I have like the
best camera and do you think I have a head
and exciting this time? No, but I did have.

Speaker 8 (34:42):
I know.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
It's so frustrating. It's so frustrating. I had a former researcher,
Dennis Hall that was with me at the time, and
I cried for two hours after and he's like, I
told you, I told you, this is what I've seen before.
And I said, I really thought you were full of shit,
Like that's just how I put it. I really thought
he was. I really thought so. But being opportunistic, which

(35:07):
I believe. These animals are ectothermic whatever, they are either
reptile or amphibian or maybe some strange hybrid between the two.
Evolution is a very strange thing. I mean, we had
whales where that actually started out on land, which is crazy.
Evolution is a strange thing. And with the echolocation capabilities

(35:28):
of the champ animals, in particular, when it was the
Champlain Sea, it was a huge coral reef and right
now it is actually the oldest fossilized coral reef in
the world, oh wow, to date, which which is amazing.
With Champlain, so with using that as an example, at
that time, the water was extremely clear. Maybe at that

(35:50):
time they didn't need echolocation to find their food, and
then they developed it as the lake got a little
bit more murkier, which it's not the clearest like in
the world. Depends on where you go on the lake,
but especially during peak season, which is well, it basically depends.
The sightings start usually spring when the frogs and the
turtles come out, which are ectotherms. So once the water

(36:13):
reaches fifty degrees fahrenheit, and then from July August September,
those are the best months because the water is at
its peak temperature. And then once it starts to get
into like October, then the sightings start going down. But
you also have where there's not as many people on
Champlain either. I think it has to do with the

(36:34):
water temperature. Personally, there's been sightings of these creatures on
land sun bathing, which is an ectothermic trait. It's a
mammal trait too, where you know, seals, whales will come
up for you know, to get warth, but they have
the inner core temperature to sustain their outer core. Ectotherms don't.

(36:54):
They have to suck in that outside temperature to sustain
their inner core. Temperature, and also they need invite them
indeed to sustain born growth and whatnot as well. So
I think we're dealing with an actual thermic species, whatever
they may be.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
That's interesting because we've got stories of So I go
back to the tiny Far and there's loads of different
versions of the tunny fire and names that we call
it in New Zealand and that sort of stuff. But
there are stories of said tunny far having four feet
and walking up onto rocks and sunbathing.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
That's interesting and because I've heard I've heard this, I've
heard of the creature, but I've never really heard any stories.
So that's really great.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Well, I love that connection that I didn't realize that
champ creatures have been seen sunbathing, and so that's a
really special connection that I've just kind of made with
the New Zealand tunny fi because there's hundreds, if not
thousands now of stories of seeing this this sea.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Monster, lake monster up onto you know, the land and
then in the water, and yeah, all of that sort
of stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
And I mean the same thing goes with you know,
there's there's creatures or you know, reptiles in Australia that
grow absolutely enormous, and then going up to like you know,
Papua and New Guinea, the islands above Australia where they
have just a huge array of different kind of lizard
type creatures that go into the water and then come

(38:27):
up onto the rocks as well in Sunbathe so.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
And they're massive, like they're giant.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
There's there's stories of like salvatore lizards that are you know,
twenty foot long, absolutely massive.

Speaker 5 (38:38):
So oh that's so interesting.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Can I read it really really cool?

Speaker 5 (38:43):
Can I read it comment really quickly?

Speaker 4 (38:45):
We've got absolutely sure.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Sure, So thank you everyone for joining us. You're all fantastic.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Feel free to drop as many questions as you want
in the comments and Katie Elizabeth will read them all.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
We promise, So thank you.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Two the in describe Optomn said, I've this embodied hand
touched me.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
Freaky, just like.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
And he says he lives five minutes down from Rhode Island,
so I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Oh my gosh, that's too funny ye where I'm from.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
You're crazy, Orange cat Love.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Hey, has anyone that you know of done any DNA
tests on the water in Lake Champlain like they did
in Lockness.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
I've done it. The only the only problem with it
was it was through a television program on the CW
network called Mysteries Decoded. This was during the pandemic, and
I kind of how do I put this? I attributed
the results to probably lack of reparation, so to speak,

(40:01):
because what it happened was they they said that the
lab that they originally were was they were gonna do
it through, wasn't open. I'm like, what the hell? So
it took them forever to send the water samples to
the other lab. And you know, here's the thing with
DNA testing that you kind of have to think of
if you're dealing with an unknown species, probably the best thing,

(40:25):
if they are a reptile or amphibian or something like that,
what is the best case scenario that we're gonna get
to say that there's something in Champlain that's unknown. That's it.
There's nothing to compare them to. Yeah, it's not like,
you know, it's not like beluga whales, which I mean,
we'd see them all the time. We know that they're
there because they're social and they have to come up

(40:45):
to breathe air. But dealing with an ancient species like this,
that I don't believe is in our known fossil record.
What the heck are we going to compare it to?
I mean, the best we're probably gonna get is unknown reptile,
unknown amphibian or something like that, and and the other
thing too. It's like the preparation of the testing has

(41:07):
to be done a certain way, and I don't I
think they kind of cheaped out, to be honest with you,
on doing this because we only had like three samples
versus like, I forget how many they took a lockness,
there was a lot. Champlain is so much, Yes, Champlain
is so much larger. So I'm just reaching down for
my charge re courts and my computer doesn't crap out.

(41:30):
But yeah, it's it's just one of those things that
I have a plan though to do another e DNA
testing situation. Yeah, I'm trying to get a TV show
to help fund it because it's extremely It's not like
Joe Schmoke can pay for this. Very expensive to do

(41:54):
and it has to be done right. And there's certain
markers that I want them to test for that gonna
give it away because every time I see something, someone's
trying to copy. What the heck I do.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
It's so annoying.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
It's like I can't see anything anymore because then I
feel bad.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
So knowledgeable, you're so knowledgeable, You're like a giant kind
of encyclopedia.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
On this one topic.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
And you know so so many different kind of perspectives
on this as well. And so you would be the
person that I would have do the DNA the a
DNA testing on it. Why would you go somewhere else?
You know, so we'll fund it.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
Just someone that we can fund you.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
It would be awesome. It's just such a it's such
an extensive there's so much to it that needs to
be done correctly, and it's going to be something that's
very costly. So I'm working on it now. I'm trying
to make some connections and stuff like that. It's just
going to take a little bit of time.

Speaker 5 (42:53):
But I think we see that.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
We see that all the time, Katie Elizabeth with in Australia,
with like the likes of the Tasmanian tiger, the Thilus,
the little massoupil running around with his stripes down his tail.
So many pieces of DNA that have been corrupted or
lost or haven't been tested.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
Correctly or you know, all of these.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
Other forensic type words that they put in there for basically,
we screwed it up.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
We have directly.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
It's just horrendous because if you were to find some
sort of evidence, you really want it to be looked
after you. What all you have to do is look
into the bigfoot in the sasquatch industry and watch how
many pieces of evidence have simply disappeared.

Speaker 9 (43:41):
Or been.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Written off, written off or yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
And I think when you're working in the cryptozoology field,
because it is a pseudo science in quotation marks, it's
not seen as important, and in so many different ways
it is far more important than any study if a
doo of something that we already know about.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Well, it's interesting because you know, there's some people that
are into the conspiracy stuff and I'm not necessarily into that,
but it's really interesting because going to lock Nest, I
remember my friend Jim Boyd, who right now is in
the hospital, and if everybody can say a prayer for him, Jim,
he's in his eighties, so he's up there in age,

(44:29):
but I don't. He's in ICU, so he's not doing
his greatest. So I'm kind of I've been in kind
of a really somber mood in the last few days
about for my friend Jim, because he had a sighting
nessy sighting back in nineteen eighty and it was really
it was great that I got that sighting on his

(44:50):
testimony on camera for the documentary, because that's just the
elders that have these sightings, these stories that's lost once
they're gone, and I just wanted to preserve that because
he's a good friend of mine, and we had met
at the Cryptozoology conference in Maine at Laurren Coleman's museum
up and up in Maine and we met. Oh god,

(45:13):
how long ago was that had to be? It's probably
twenty sixteen something like that. It was quite a while ago.
And we had met there and he was.

Speaker 9 (45:26):
Like, Hey, do you want to come to my house
and see my cabinet of curiosities.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
He had like had like a mock up like Fiji
Fiji mermaids.

Speaker 9 (45:36):
I said, yeah, he had like this Fiji mermaid and
a cabinet and all this other crazy stuff. So it
was really cool to like see his like extensive collection
of cryptozoology stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
That's just like, how do you invite a cryptozoologist to
your house.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Cabinet A cabinet, Yeah, the cabinet. I'm getting on it
right now.

Speaker 5 (46:01):
Oh my god, I don't know who you are, but
you said really cool?

Speaker 4 (46:05):
He was, He's just he's a great guy, Jim. So yeah,
I mean it was where the hell are we going
with this story? Oh? All the conspiracy stuff? So what
was really interesting? He said to me? He says, when
you go to lot Nest, make sure you keep an
eye out for the bomber planes. And I'm like, what

(46:27):
the hell are you talking about? So he said, at
the same time every day that these military planes fly
over Locknest really low to the water, and I kind
of looked it up and it's supposed to be some
sort of military exercise and all that stuff for the planes.
But it was so funny because we were and now

(46:47):
my friend Steve is also friends with Jim. They met
each other at another cryptozoology conference in England many years ago.
So we were there at Locknest and all of a sudden,
here comes those damn planes and I'm like, whoa. Jim
was right. So I took a video of it. And
what was interesting. Last week at Champlain we had the
same thing happened of these planes going extra low to

(47:11):
Lake Champlain. I'm like, maybe it's just military stuff like general,
but I've never really seen that before. So it makes
you kind of wonder. It really does weird.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
It's like, are they trying to freshen it away?

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Are they trying to.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Get well, that's that's what That's what Jim thinks. Jim
thinks that they're trying to keep them down sort of thing.
What's interesting what's going on at Lake Champlain at the moment.
They're putting in a power line from Canada to New
York City and they're putting it underneath, like within the
four inches on the bottom of Lake Champlain. So at

(47:47):
first when I heard about this, of course, I'm like,
oh my god, how is like EMF going to affect
these creatures or the fish that are in Lake Champlain
which is their food source. And you know, according to them,
I've talked to some of the guys that are working
on the project, and I've made some really good friends
with some of the people on the project too, and
they've been keeping their eye because I got I got
guys on barges now looking for champ which is kind

(48:10):
of cool.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
And tug boats.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
And actually the captain of one of the tugboats is
a lady and she's like four foot tall. I'm five
for I'm short shorter than me, and she's great, you know.
I mean, so it's great. I've made friends with these guys,
you know. But with them being on the lake all
the time, this year has been quite active, and I

(48:32):
think it has to do with this activity going on
with these barges being because where my home port is
in Port Henry, New York, where I keep Kelby three,
they have the huge barges that are just like sitting
there right at the marina. So it's really cool to
talk to the guys that are on these barges and

(48:53):
like at first they'll joke around like, oh, you've seen
chance lately, but then they're like, hey, man, I've been
keeping my eyes out and stuff, you know. But it
was interesting because on July fourteenth, I had gotten it
was actually a friend of mine who had a sighting
in the seventies. This is so strange, and he had
a sighting back in the day that was actually logged

(49:14):
in Joseph Zarzenski's book about champ Now Joseph Zarzenski used
to do Champ research, and when I met Darryl Tucker,
I had no idea he had a Champ sighting. We
just happened to be fishing, like my friend and I
were fishing. He happened to know Darryl and we started
talking and he's like, do you realize that I had
a Champ sighting? And I'm thinking this guy's full of crap,

(49:35):
you know. But then I happened to look in Joe's
book and there's his name, and I'm like, oh my god.
So all these years later, his wife is walking on
the beach at the Champ RV Park, which is ironic,
and she's walking her dog and she sees these black
humps come to the surface of the water, and she,

(49:55):
you know, pulled out her phone. She normally doesn't have
her phone on her. She was actually litening to a podcast,
so I had to mute the background because I don't
know what the heck the podcast was. It was. She
was listening to that, and it was really amazing though,
because she told him. He texted me and he's like,
Vicky just saw a Champ, a Champ Champs whatever. He's like,

(50:17):
you need to come down here in the morning because
it was it was evening. It was like brown. She
saw it around six thirty. I was like already in ben.
I woke up and just happened to see the message.
So he goes come down around ten and that's when
I got to see the video and stuff and I
hadn't hand. I had to blow it up because it's
from a cell phone. It's you know, a lot of

(50:39):
people say, you know, if there's stuff out there, how
could people don't get on cell phones? Cell phones are crap.
You can't get good resolution with it. Unless it's right
in front of you. You're not going to get a
good video. That's why I have my nicon that's eighty
five plus zoom. I learned my lesson with having the
sighting so damn far away and I didn't get didn't

(50:59):
get on video. Yeah, yeah, all.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
Hey, I just have a couple of other comments that
we should read through because these are awesome.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
This is from Aka Lacey, one of our founding members.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
So she says, I so this was a comment on
when we were talking about that these creatures coming in
and out.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Of the lakes.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
She says, I think they don't live in the lock
all year. I think they definitely come into spawn. She
then said Champlain isn't far from what was the central
Pangaean mountains, so it's not far fetched to think that
what lives in the Scottish locks could also be in
Champlain in modern four.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
Yeah, that makes that makes total sense because when it
was Pangaea all together, I kind of a feeling that
some of these animals were this way and somewhere this way,
and they just happened to spread out all these different areas.
That makes a lot of sense to me, totally.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
Yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
And her last comment is, have you actually it's a question,
have you compared those samples that you took to the
unknown species samples they found in lock nest to see
if they have any matches. Have you done any connections
like that from Lake Champlain.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
Oh, with the with the audio sounds.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
Maybe the audio sounds well maybe the Yeah, but the.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
DNA was quite different though with Lockness because the biggest,
the biggest thing they go in likeness was eel DMS.
We didn't get anything. Now here's the thing. There there
are eels in the League Champlain. There are otters, there
are waterfowl, there are all kinds of things, turtles, frogs,

(52:50):
none of them showed up in the Lage Champlaine DNA,
So that makes that shows you right there, it's it's Bougus's. Yeah,
it's not thorough.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
And that is that they show you on TV.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
They're like, oh, we're just going to go down grab
a couple of samples, and then at the end of
the program you're going to find out it's so much
more involved than that. You know. It's like you're saying,
these are that preparation. You've got to go to the
right places. You know, the evidence and the stuff that
you have needs to be stored properly. It needs to
get from A to B. You know, it's a whole process.

(53:23):
It's not just like I'm going to get a couple
of samples and check it off down at the LAMB.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
And I think that's what you know, And this is
the problem with like a lot of these programs. They
show the stuff and go, oh, it's just gonna you know,
we're just going to find it really easy.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
But it's not.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
It's like so many hours.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
It's like hundreds of hours.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Of you know, work that goes and probably more than
hundreds of hours, probably thousands of hours that goes.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
It goes into like doing.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
The e DNA, gathering evidence, talking to people, you know,
it's yeah, it's a really long process.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
And yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
It'd be great, you know, definitely you're doing the you know,
doing a really good sample of ED and I from
like Champlain, that would be great.

Speaker 4 (54:04):
Yeah. I mean, it's just getting the right funding and
getting the right preparation and future how do I put it.
I'm trying to think of the right word. The future,
just just doing it the right way. There's a protocol
that needs to be done, which was not done the
last time. And I think the same thing, you know,

(54:26):
in Lockness. I think the big thing that they did
with that was kind of a mistake too, is they
did it the wrong time of year. Got to think
at the time of the peak sightings if they're not
if they're in there a certain time and then they're out.
That DNA only lasts for so long. So that makes
me wonder too about about the Lockness. The DNA test

(54:48):
that Neil, that Neil Gimmel did. Uh, it's it's interesting
to find you know so much eel DNA. Do I
believe that we're dealing with a giant eel lockness, I
really don't know. I don't think so.

Speaker 9 (55:00):
Yeah, but with the on land sightings at Champlain and Lotns,
I mean.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
There's a possibility. But with the sonar readings that I've
gotten in twenty nineteen and then in what year was
it that I got so much stuff that I get
confused with years twenty twenty two. Looking at the morphology
of these creatures, they're very snake like in origin, but

(55:27):
they also have four feet and legs, and it's very
reminiscent of I would say, a water monitor, a komodo
dragon with a longer mid section and a much longer neck. So,
I mean, that's just something that doesn't fit in our
fossil record. I've looked at all types of ancient reptiles

(55:47):
or amphibians, and I cannot find something that totally matches,
because I think that we're dealing with something that's uniquely evolved,
so to speak.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah, that's interesting because one of the theories is that
it's a giant snake.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Have you heard that?

Speaker 5 (56:02):
Yes, what do you say to that theory?

Speaker 2 (56:05):
I know you just kind of mentioned on that, But
do you think there's this evidence to show that it.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Could be a giant snake.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
There. Now here's the thing that's interesting about Lake Champlain.
There's been stories of other things in the lake, like
giant turtles. Like there's one theory that these things could
be giant turtles with a long deck. Now, if you
if you're dealing with a giant turtle type of species,

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don't you think we'd find like the shells blown around
or something. We'd find that.

Speaker 5 (56:40):
And you would see them a lot more. You would
see them a lot more.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Now, the other thing that's interesting is I had gotten
a rapport a few years back of a girl that
was driving to work on across the bridge. She lived
in Port Henry. She was driving to work on the
Vermont side and she went across this road where they
call it the tubes because there's like these big drainage
tubes that go under the road. And it was like

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around four four thirty in the morning, and she was
coming home from work and it was kind of misty
that night. So she was going across this road and
she saw this big black thing in the road. She
thought it was like a log across the road, so
she stopped and it was crawling across the road in
this kind of squiggly vertical undulation, and she goes, what

(57:27):
the hell is that she was It looked like a
giant snake to me, but it didn't move like a snake.
And I'm like, did you see a head and neck?
Did you see appendages? She's like, no, there was no feet,
there was no head and neck, like, no, no horse
like head. She just saw this thing like crawl like
a reminded me of a giant eel. So it makes
me wonder a giant snake. But she said it didn't

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move like a snake, So it makes me wonder if
we're dealing with some other strange, strange.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
Thing that didn't move like a snake.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
No, it moved in like a vertical undulation, which is
something that champ animals. The champ animals can move in
either direction, which is really bizarre. They have that mammals
normally move in that vertical undulation, and then the reptiles
they have the horizontal. Yes, but it's funny because the
champ animals, with the videos that I've gathered and captured myself,

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they can do both, which is really really weird. But
this thing, there was no head and neck, there was
no appendages, like it was just totally different from the
reports of Champ And there was also another report. This
was in one of the local newspapers and it was
in the twenties. And so someone was driving I think

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it was a Malay or Model T I'm not sure which,
and they were going across Route nine N which goes
right around the lake and they saw this big black
thing crossed on the road. It was supposedly a giant
snake and the guy he supposedly killed it like he
I don't know, he took like a big to it
or something, and that will be There was a young

(59:03):
man that also had found this big sneakly creature that
he killed with a sickle and stuff. So it's like,
what the heck is going on? So I wonder like
if we're dealing with more than one thing, maybe the
younger ones look different morphologically speaking, and they developed it.
I don't know, I.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Think that they they heals that this in you know,
because you know, eels are known to go across land,
like if it's damp, yes, to go from one river
to another of us so they will. So they have
been found like in New Zealand they've been found in
the middle of the bush and people are.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
Going, what is that ill down? You know, it's it's.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Going somewhere else, like going onto the breeding grounds or
you know that kind of stuff. So is it, you know,
is it some type of ill type creature as well?
Not necessarily a snake, you know, because i mean they
look the same. But if people haven't really had a
lot of you know, that, they'd probably know a snake
more than.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
They of an EO, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
Yeah, especially if.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
They're not water paper. They're like, oh my god, it's
a snipe. But this versus this, Yeah, yeah, that is
so yeah, that's that's really interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Well, it's it's really weird because there I have found
some interesting cutthroughs in the swamp. We do have beavers
and otters and stuff, so they make trails and you've
got a lot of game trails that go through. But
I've found some really large webbed footprints and I for
people say, oh, maybe it's beaver, but I'm telling you

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it's a lot bigger than that. And with the webbed
footprints and with the sonar that I had gotten in
twenty nineteen of that one particular animal where you can
actually see most of it. The other one's kind of blurry,
but laying on the bottom it looks like a clawd
webbed foot, so you know with there was also another

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sighting many years ago over near Otter Creek where the
creek is right next to the bit one of the
bays and Lake Champlain. There's like over three hundred thousand
acres of swamp around Lake Champlain, so there's so much
swamp that these animals can hideen and and feed at night.
With that sighting, there was a guy driving down that road.

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It's a private road, and he saw this large black
thing run across the road and the next day. At
the time it was kind of a sandy road. Now
it's more like gravelly, so you really can't get any
good prints, which sucks because like maybe I should spread
some sand over there. Someone's gonna get stuck and then
I'll get in trouble. And so he had that sighting

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there of it moving out of the bay into the creek.
And now you think of creek, you think it's just
a little river. I mean, it's pretty wide and it's
pretty damn deep. But there was web footprints found there,
so you know, with this eel type creature, snake type creature,
and the champ animals, I think, whatever is going on,

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they're totally different and it's weird.

Speaker 5 (01:02:04):
But dealing with a couple of different species, right then
you can't just it's all into the same and say
they're all the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
Yeah, and what's really bizarre too. I mean, if you
think about it with Champlaine, you have so many primordial
animals that are in there. You get the star, you
get the sturgeon, which gets to seven feet, which is
oh yeah, everybody says, yeah, yeah, well I already I
made up a star a song. My friend and I

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made up a song a long time ago. It's the
Madonna song like a Virgin. But it's like a sturgeon.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
It's always a sturgeon.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
It's always just it's like, have it like finding a
panther in the outback of Australia. Oh, it's just a
feral cat, a feral pet that you're just mistaken as
a giant fu.

Speaker 9 (01:02:53):
Yeah, but don't worry.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
But yeah, I mean, like there's stir the lake. They're endangered,
so there's not that many of them. They don't move
in vertical undulation. They're not blackish brown in color. It
doesn't make any damn sense to me when people I'm
sure there are sightings of sturgeons that people do that
don't because they are freaky looking, you know. But there's

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a big difference between the videos that I've gotten from
people the videos I've captured. There's just a total difference
in the coloring, the morphology, the movement. It's just totally different.
So you have the sturgeon, which go back millions of years.
You have the gar short nose gar, and they get
up to like four feet in length and they're massive.

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And I've caught gar. I'm a fisherman too, I always
go fishing, so I've caught gar, I've caught bowfin. They
go back also one hundred million years. You have the
lamp prey, which are an ancient eel like creature with
a round mouth. I don't know if you've ever seen
a lamp prey, but they're really nasty looking. They will
attach onto fish and just suck the juices out of the.

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Yeah, yeah, So we have them. We have those, and
then we also have an interesting type of turtle, the
Eastern spiny soft shell turtle which are totally endangered in
Lake Champlain, and they're doing a thing at the aquarium
there where they're trying to bring back the species, which

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I think is a great, great thing. So you've got
these primordial species that are in Champlain that are still
there after hundreds and hundreds and thousands of years. Why
the hell isn't Why is it possible for something that's
fifteen to thirty five feet long to be in Champlain still?
And you know the misconception of being this one hundred

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foot long monster eating people, that's just a bunch of crap.
It's it's just people make this up. And this is
why it makes it so non believable to people.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
Yeah, that's whats the credibility of when people do actually
find evidence, and you know, it's the same problem like
within the cryptozoology field, isn't it when you actually find evidence,
it is completely just like no, No, it's just like
it's a big joke, you know, And you know it's
even harder with all the AI stuff, you know, and

(01:05:20):
AI pictures. It just makes everything, you know, one hundred
times worse now of trying to get that credibility through
the system to be Hey, this is actually real, This
is not you know, do you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
You see the same thing in the archaeology field as well,
right as soon as or the paleontology field for that matter,
All of a sudden, as soon as you have a
different theory and you have proof to show that, you
get totally shut down because you're going against what the
perception is, or the mainstream narrative or what they you know,
what the newspapers are pushing out.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
So it's a hard road to run, you aren't you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
It is tough. It's really tough, you know, as far
as like the echolocation recordings, which I had verified by
a marine biologist in Australia named Cindy Jolee. That was
really amazing to get someone, you know, that far across
the globe to verify that, you know, what I'm getting
is legitimate. And I always try to back everything up

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by science and not just there's so much wu going
on in the crypto field, especially with bigfoot people making
up stuff. I mean, there's a guy that had this
is insane, all right. So he had made a movie
and a book, and so to promote that movie, in
that book, he made up this whole drone footage saying that,

(01:06:45):
oh we talked. We basically got Champ on drone footage.
Do you know what it actually was. I went to
the location because I know by looking at the video
it's a very short clip. I went to the spot
and I lined everything up and I had this on
video and I'm gonna have to post it. But going there,

(01:07:06):
it's a damn rock. It's like, give me a damn break.
So like I name the rock after him. I'm not
gonna say the name, but I named the rock after him.

Speaker 9 (01:07:15):
It's like Champ. Champ is like a rock. Oh that's
It's just crazy what people will.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
Do to promote something. And I work really hard at
what I do when I try to use the science
to back everything up. And the protection aspect of these
animals and the lake is so important to me and
that's why I do what I do. But you got
you got nod heads like this.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
I just show up on it, show up discussing earlier on.
But we shall not mention those names except on except
on dungeon Talk, uh, and that is on Cryptowomensociety dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
And what you have to do is get yourself. A
membership is a truth.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
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Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
It's just amazing. It amazes me where these people come from.
I mean, you wouldn't believe some of the stuff I've
been through. It's like, you don't if you don't tell
them certain locations or you don't give them your evidence
for nothing. I mean, it costs me a lot of
money to do what I do if you don't help

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them out to like where they're making a million, but
they think it's they think they're gonna make a million
of books at this stuff. And it's like, you have
any freaking idea how much this has cost me. I've
got a boat, I've got sonar, I've got all of
this equipment, and they think I'm like a millionaire. And
I'm like, well, hell, let let them let them think it.
Let them think it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:40):
That's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
You know, it's taken you years to build that up.
You know, it's not like it's happened overnight. This has
literally been like, you know, this is your lifelong work
that is still ongoing, you know, and it's still you know,
we know to say it's like this, you know, people think, oh,
cryptosology there's no money in cryptosis.

Speaker 4 (01:09:01):
No, there isn't.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
There isn't, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
They and they come up, they come up with these
like crazy things like I want to sell I want
to sell like five million T shirts or champ on it.
I'm going to make all this money. And then they're
like asking me where do you get your merchandise? Where
do you get this?

Speaker 9 (01:09:16):
And then after I don't tell them certain things and
they trash me, It's like what the hell?

Speaker 4 (01:09:21):
And then you know, oh, I'm going to put you
out of business. That was another one I got from somebody.
It's like, what the hell are you talking about? Anything
that I need from books? Or I sell champ T shirts.

Speaker 10 (01:09:32):
It goes right to my boat, and you guys know
how expensive boats are. So I mean the people, the
people that come out of the woodwork that are nasty,
you wouldn't believe. Like the clowns that I've had to
deal with. It's absolutely insane.

Speaker 5 (01:09:46):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
We've hit that a lot, Sorry Joe's we've hit that
a lot in the paranormal industry as well. You know,
with some of our members talking about the shade that's
been thrown in their direction, which is just ridiculous because
there's quite enough blue water excuse the pun for everyone
in it. You know, we should just be supporting people
that are really kind of diving head first and doing

(01:10:09):
so much stuff out of their own pocket and their
own time. You know, I like so much, so many
hours have gone into it. Sorry, Joel's go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:10:16):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
It's like people feel that they're entitled because now they've
suddenly gone, Oh I now I want to look after
late champs. So you've done all the work, Now give
me your information. So you know, it's like it's not
how it works, you know, it is. Yeah, and you know,
like Lisa was saying, you know, there is this part
of the cryptozoology and the paranormal industry, and you know,

(01:10:40):
and women are involved in a lot of it too,
of this nastiness of you know, putting each other down
from everything from oh, this person has been doing a documentary,
but she's wearing makeup, Like what theft does that have
to do with the documentary? Why are you using that

(01:11:00):
to basically target this this woman or you know, and
and that's it's yeah, it's it's something that we really
want to stamp out and you know, we're we're all
for like not only supporting woman, but supporting everybody in
the industry. You know, if they've got a really good attitude.
You know, we've got some great guys that follow us,

(01:11:22):
and you know, we get a lot of support from them,
and we support you know, then give it back. But yeah,
there's there's got to be a change, as you know.
So you're frozen a bit there, Headie Elizabeth. You're cold,
you're chilli. You're frozen like a robush.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
It started late, it started lightning and thundering outside, so.

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
So she's coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Hey, I have a question for you, Katie Elizabeth. We
talked about kind of you've touched on your evidence.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
And the.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Sonar work and that the hydrophone and the things that
you use. Maybe you could break down one of your
biggest pieces of evidence, like the twenty twenty two sonar
footage or.

Speaker 5 (01:12:06):
One of those pieces that you go that was a
real kicker, and just kind of give us a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Of an idea of kind of how that worked, what
was included involved, and what was the outcome for some
of our members that kind of a new to it,
or some of our listeners that don't really understand.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
Okay, So which you think when the most video kind
of impactful, what's your biggest impactful that you've found. I
would say, I mean, I've got some really cool stuff,
you know, the video, the echo location stuff. I think,
I don't know. I'm tossed up between the twenty twenty

(01:12:45):
two so onar video, which was like a lie of video, massive, right.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
And I remember it came out. I was like Juliet
found something.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
It was great. And at first, you know, it's so
funny because I've heard people say, oh, it's a sturgeon.
But if you slow it down you can see the
net retracting and going back. It's like, what the hell
it's not there's something a sturgeon cannot do. And also
sturgeon they have these paddle like flippers and they go
side this side. They kind of swim funny. And this
is moving in that strange kind of vertical undulation as

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well with the net contracting out and coming in. So
I think that was really amazing to get because I
had gotten that live sonar and I was hoping like
if I could get which I named them in twenty nineteen.
I named them Puff and Elsie. The pair that I
got on the sonar as if I could.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Get magic Dragon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Well, she's frozen again, so we're gonna name him Puff
the Magic Dragon. Anybody, I grew up in New Zealand,
you remember the television show The Little Caw shown about
Puff the Magic Dragon and all of his friends. He
did some trouble making things and there was a lot
of el clinics, can't hear you because you're frozen.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
So I just went on, I.

Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
Think, I think what's going.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
On is the thunderstorm that's coming through to stay. But yeah,
I would say it's kind of a toss up between
the twenty nineteen actually twenty twenty two so onar and
the last echo location that I got last September.

Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
That's about echo location, Like how does that work? Because
I know these words, I know the terms, but I
really have kind of no really good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Understanding of what the technology is and how does it work.
You go out on a boat and you drop it
into the water.

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
Okay, so so Kelpie Kelpie two, I was using it.
I got a new boat now Kelpy three, but Kelby
two I have a transducer at the back which shoots
down this beam. Okay, it's basically a beam of sound
and when it hits a school of fish or an object,
it bounces back produce is an image. So animals that

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can echo Lokey echo locate like the champ animals or
whale or dolphin, which is cetaceans, they put out a
beam of sound they hit said objects, say it's a
school of fish or a rock or whatever, and it'll
bounce back and they don't need vision to see what's
going on in front of them. It bounces back and
produces an image of their brain, so they know exactly

(01:15:26):
what's in front of them without vision, which is amazing.
So sonar on a boat is basically not animal created,
like the echo location that these animals give off. It's
basically mechanically created, so we have an image of what's
going on underneath the boat. There's several types of sonar.
There's side scan, which shoots out on both sides. I'm

(01:15:49):
not a huge fan of that because in twenty nineteen
they were right underneath the boat, so I would have
missed that if I didn't have that certain cone of sound,
but sonar going down, I would have totally missed it
because they weren't on each side they want directly underneath.
So I kind of like using the chirp sonar which

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has that ability to shoot, to shoot straight down and
out in a cone, so that that's the difference with
the sonar types. There are quite a few types. So
basically that's how it's created mechanically by putting the sound
down and it produces that image that is on your screen.

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
All right. I love it when you get scientific.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
There's a lot to it, you know. I mean with
big shoals of fish, it can produce an image that
looks like something, but you can tell where it's broken
up that Okay, we're looking at a school of fish.
You'll have something called bait balls, like balls of bait
fish that are moving through the water. That could be

(01:16:54):
kind of convincing to someone that doesn't know what they're
looking at when they're looking at sonar. So I try
to rule out all of that by do on comparisons.
It's like, we're the twenty fourteen video that I got
comparing that to waves and boat weeks and logs floating
in the water and all of that stuff. Schools of
fish jumping, all of that is so important to show

(01:17:19):
comparisons that way because some people they just don't have
that experience on the water and you really have to
have an eye for this stuff and practicing as well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
That's so interesting because last week we spoke to a
wonderful lady called Tamara. She's actually a doctor and she
does she works in the space industry.

Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
Of the shortened version, and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
We were talking about how our eyes only take a
very very small kind of snap rate or you know,
shutter rate, and so we always used to talk about
how you should be able to see this stuff and
you should be up to trust what your eyes are seeing.
But you're absolutely right and that if you're not familiar

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with the way that the water moves with the types
of animals, especially if you then start looking at sonar
and that sort of stuff, you can totally get sucked
into thinking it's something different.

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
And that was one of my questions, is like.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
What should we be really looking for, Like when you're
looking through these types of evidence and you and you
come across someone like yourself as a viewer or whatever,
you come across your evidence and your research, what should
someone like me really be looking for those sort of
comparisons that you've that you've done between your evidence and

(01:18:39):
what could be in the in the water.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
Yeah, I mean there's a there's a lot of ways
to kind of do comparisons as well. So looking at
basically would see where the sonar, looking at imagery, just
google it. It's a lot of people they'll ask me, well,
how do I use this piece of equipment? How do
you use that? It's like just Google, you know, they're
so lazy. They're so lazy when it's like, it's not

(01:19:06):
that freaking hard, but it takes experience and time to
learn the differences. But you know, even start out with
googling things, you know, going online, typing in a school
of fish on a fish finder, what does it look like?
And look through various images. You could do comparisons and
stuff like that. So it's just using that which I

(01:19:28):
call the book knowledge plus using the field research knowledge,
being out there and actually going fishing, seeing what schools
of fish look like and doing comparisons, comparing the sounds
of known fish in these lakes and lots compared to
echo location, which is a totally different signature. And doing

(01:19:48):
all the comparisons is so important because we're dealing with
so many species of fish that make sounds schools of
fish that could look like something serpentine but not quite solid.
With the twenty nineteen images, you'll get the difference between

(01:20:09):
the school of fish kind of swirling around and you
look at how solid that these two serpentine things are.
There's a big difference. And then the video. I thought
the video was great because it's like it's showing the
movement and in the solidity of what you're actually looking at.
You know, you're dealing with the school of fish. On
the video, it's going to be spread it out and

(01:20:30):
kind of fluttering and stuff like that, and you don't
see that in that video. So doing the comparisons is
like super think you it was a big surprise.

Speaker 5 (01:20:40):
Oh yeah, I bit it was because I was surprised
when I heard it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
I was like, holy moly, life, this is amazing because
it's so clear. It's so like from it, so now
to speak to, but it's so clear and so solid.
Exactly what you're saying is it's incredibly solid and very
difficult debunk or very difficult to say. Oh, it must

(01:21:03):
just be a log or it must just be which
I've heard a couple of times, it must just be
a school of fish, and I.

Speaker 5 (01:21:12):
Don't think it's comparable in the least, no fun more
than me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
And I mean people might say, well, Katie Elizabeth is
biased because she's involved in it so much and she's
desperate to find it or I do know whatever, and
that's I guess to a point.

Speaker 5 (01:21:27):
We all kind of get like that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Sometimes we can all get carried away into that space
of I just want to find a ghost or I just.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
Want to get a photo of this or that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
So that brings me to my next question is how
do you how do you control that kind.

Speaker 5 (01:21:42):
Of skepticism with that want to prove prove it real.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
Holding my integrity and employees, because I don't want to
one of these fruitcakes that you see in the Bigfoot
world that sees Bigfoot in every tree. I see it
all the time, and I don't want to be that person.
I want to be logical and using science behind it. Yeah,

(01:22:13):
it's like, oh, Bigfoot's over here, he's up, he's across
the street from the Mexican restaurant that I've heard that.

Speaker 11 (01:22:19):
There's a guy line the guys, Hey, they're in the middle,
and you're like looking at this thing going on, where,
what the hell are you looking at You know, I
see this all the freaking time.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
I don't want to be that fruitcake of a person.
I just don't want to be and I just I
try to hold my I mean, yeah, I not that
I believe that they're in Champlain or these other las,
especially Champlain. I know that they're there. There's a difference
between a knower and being a believer. But I have
to keep the skeptical side to with the science in

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the background as well, because I mean, there's so many
nut jobs. Hate to say it, but there's a lot
of nut jobs out there that are really screwing up
the field of cryptozoology. And I'm tired of it. I'm
tired of seeing like Bigfoot like in every picture.

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
It's just I don't want to be there. Yeah, it's crazy.
Oh yeah that we yeah, we know all about those posts. Yeah,
I've seen a lot of them. It's like, oh yeah,
I just got this bigfoot that came to visit me,
and it's like, what the hell. It's like it's a costume.
It's like, come on now.

Speaker 5 (01:23:31):
But it was thrown showing that champ was just over there.
That looks like a rock. But he's not a rock. Okay,
not a rock.

Speaker 4 (01:23:40):
It was so hilarious. It was so hilarious when I
went up and found this location. I knew exactly by
this by pausing the video where it was and I said,
I'm not positive putting pretty damn sure that there's a
rock there. And sure enough I get the video of
the rock. It's just this big blob and it's like, oh,
it's moving, Well, it's moving. Is the freaking drones moving.

(01:24:01):
You've got the clouds, You've got that light refraction, you know,
so this is you know, this is the type of stuff.
And you know, this person had the audacity to put
me as a villain in the story and in the
movie and all this. It's just absolutely insane. There's a

(01:24:22):
lot to it. We'll talk about another time. Yeah, it's crazy.
But yeah, when I found out it was a rock,
I'm like, I knew exactly when I saw the video.
I'm like, oh, this is just a marketing technique for this,
you know. And you run into that. That's a big
thing in some of the bigfoot stuff as well. Yea,

(01:24:43):
everybody screaming there's a big foot behind them. Yeah, I
know I know that, I know how they're playing the game.
I'm not an idiot, so you know what's going on.

Speaker 5 (01:24:54):
So what's your view on.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
The light monsters being a pleasia saw whereas some of
these you know, pictures and Sona stuff has kind of
showing like this giant like creature with like flippers, you know,
this kind of stuff. You know that that's do you

(01:25:18):
think it's possibly? You know, has have all the Lake
Champlain sightings that have been seen, have they always had
legs or have they had flippers as well?

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
Well? There's kind of a controversy with that because a
lot of the sightings have been in the water, so
it's kind of hard to tell what's underneath the surface
of the water as far as appendages go. But with
the onland sightings, I think we were dealing with plesios
or with these giant flippers, it'd be like it would
be kind of tough because I don't think they moved
such great speed. I mean, you look at walruses and

(01:25:54):
seals and sea turtles because you're kind of just giant
like they're just kind of flopping flopping around. Yeah, they're
flopping around and they're not you know, you watch an
alligator or a crocodile and you watch them run. They
can freaking run, and turtles can run very very I
always hate when they say slow as a turtle. It's like,

(01:26:15):
where the hell is there a turtle that slow? Like
every time I watch turtles and I grew up on
the water. I mean they're on a log and like
as soon as they hear you, like a pin drop,
they're gone, and they can run so fast. There's down
here in Florida there's GOP for tortoises, and they always
say you slow as a tortoise. That's crap too, because
I've like, these guys are in the middle of the road.

(01:26:36):
I'm like, oh my god, there's a car coming. So
I'm like stop in the car and I go to
pick them up and they're running from me and they
can run pretty damn fast. So I don't know where
they got.

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
That slow as a turtle.

Speaker 4 (01:26:47):
Slow as a tortoise that's another myth to me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
Yeah, yeah, So you don't believe that whole kind of
it's a pleasi a sore or some kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
I mean, the horse like head is quite differently shaped
than a pleasio. Sare the flippers of a plesiosaur don't
match with the four toad webbed footprints. The sonar images
that I've gotten, It doesn't seem to match with that
because you can see in that twenty twenty two sonar
video of like that appendage pushing back. It's not this

(01:27:22):
giant flipper that's They would be more like like a
when you watch a penguin swim underwater, that would be
like a plesiosaur. Yeah, to me, Morphologically speaking, if they're,
I mean, I'm sure they are somehow in relation being
an ancient ecdothermic either reptile or amphibian or something like that.

(01:27:42):
But just say that they're a pleasio sare I don't
believe that they are, but there are a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Of the number one thing, isn't it. That's what they reckon.
I reckon that the Luckness Monster and stuff like that
is a plesiosaur.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
And it's kind of like that the romantic image, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so on that thing. Do you think
they becoming extinct?

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
You know, because these these creatures are you know that
there has to be obviously this breeding population, but they're
being seen less and less kind of over the years,
So you believe that that that population is slowly kind
of dwindling out.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:28:21):
I think that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Especially in Champlaine, I think that, Yeah, I think that
it's been going down, but the sightings are still sustaining.
Nothing really seems to bother these animals. I mean, you've
got sewage that's getting into Lake Champlain every year. Lock
Ness is coming into a problem where they're they're having

(01:28:45):
I'm trying to think what's going on there. There's some
kind of like fish farming going on and some other
like hydro electric stuff going on there that's happening. It
really makes me worried for both, you know, the loch
and the lake of what's going on with human interaction.

(01:29:07):
Do I think that they're almost extinct. I don't think so,
but I think that it's definitely a threat. I think
they are in danger because they're obviously not in every
lake around the world. So the sightings aren't as don't
seem to be as much as it was say nineteen
thirties at Lochnst or the eighteen hundreds, and I think

(01:29:28):
when they were putting the road in at lock Nest
during that time there was a ton of sightings. You
had more people around around the lock and also there's
a lot of noise going on too, and with being
a animal that echolocates, their high sensitivity of hearing comes
into play. I mean use stories of people seeing say

(01:29:48):
Nessy sunbathing on the beach and they slam their car
door and they go running off into the water. Same
thing with champ So with all of that crazy interaction,
what's going on now at Champlain, with putting the power
cables under Champlain, with the barges hanging out, with all
this activity going on, it seems to be stirring them up,
which might be actually a good thing for moving that

(01:30:11):
they're there.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
You probably kind of this is part of the territory
and they're like we can't actually get here out or
yeah yeah, oh there's no flying over the top, so
there we go.

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
There's a lot. There's a lot going on. There's been
military planes going over the lake. There's barges, there's chug boats.
They're putting that line under the water. They're also putting
in huge ROVs, which I have an ROV that goes
down to three hundred and fifty feet, but it's not
that big. It's probably about two and a half feet
wide by two and a half feet wide, but these

(01:30:41):
ROVs are like the big massive ones like when they
sent them down to the Titanic. These are like giant
ROVs that they're putting down to make sure that they're
putting this power line in the right place and they're
doing it the correct way. So there's a lot going on.
There's probably a lot of noise to them, and it
just seems like the sightings have been pouring in this year.

(01:31:02):
So my friend Vicky and Darryl had a sighting July fourteenth.
There was a woman that had a sighting at the
end of March of this year, which is quite early,
but there wasn't anybody around the lake or anything like that.
And there was a salmon one which is interesting that
happens at Lackness two and the salmon are running. There
seems to be of abundance of sightings, and there was

(01:31:27):
another report. I'm going to get more details. But the
marina where I have Kelpy three now there's a little
cafe and there's a guy that I had met briefly,
just like a couple times, like how you doing sort
of thing, and he actually sent me a message yesterday
and he's like, we saw something really strange from the
cafe a couple of weeks ago, and I'm like what

(01:31:49):
And it was right in the morning field of the
marina and they saw something swimming and the girl that
runs the restaurant was like, what the hell is that
out there? So now they're convinced that there's definitely something.
You know, people meet me and they'll think, oh, she's
absolutely insane until they see something for themselves, and then
they apologize. They apologize to me, they're like, I'm really sorry.

(01:32:09):
So I'm gonna get some more details on that saighting.
And then there was someone further down the lake near
the bridge that goes to Remont that had a sighting
around the same time. So there's been a lote of
activity and I think it has to do with the
power line that's being put in. And then we get the.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Best people to get the witness accounts from, because you know,
they're sitting there, they're working, they're looking out at that
water on a daily basis. They understand, oh there's a.

Speaker 5 (01:32:37):
Turtle, there, goes the wake from a boat.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Here's a lot, you know, they understand that, and for
them to suddenly go, what the fuck is out I
don't understand what that is?

Speaker 5 (01:32:46):
It doesn't make.

Speaker 3 (01:32:47):
Sense to me, you know, and then they're suddenly going, oh, okay,
maybe there is something, you know, so it's good to
kind of get the skeptics to be like, yeah, I
kind of saw something. I still don't want to believe
it though, but I saw something. No.

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
I love I love those reports the most, and you know,
with with the new documentary coming out, I'm going to
try to get it out by December. We'll see what happens.
I'm the editor, I'm the I'm the one does the music.
I'm the one does all this crazy stuff. So it's
kind of it's not like I have a crew. You know,
you see documentaries that have a whole crew of people.

(01:33:22):
I do everything.

Speaker 5 (01:33:23):
We do a premiere in New Zealand and Australia.

Speaker 4 (01:33:26):
That would be amazing. We put it in a.

Speaker 5 (01:33:28):
In a cinema, that would be amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:33:32):
That this would be so much fun. That would be great.
Because I'm actually working on I'm working on three different
documentaries at the same time. I'm working on the first
one is Expedition Style in the Search at lot Ness
and Lote Morale. That one's gonna be the first one out.
Then I'm working on Lady of the Lake, the Search
for champ and then I'm working on a UFO documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
So it's like I was gonna mention that that dear
a lot of UFO sightings around Lake Champlain and abductions,
and it's like it's I didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:34:11):
Know, fill me in.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
Yeah, there's been a couple of really big abduction cases
over Lake Champlain. So it's it's really interesting that whole
side of it that you know, It's there's paranormal stuff there.
There's like bigfoot monsters, there's bigfoot, there's you know, there's
UFO encounters, there's missing persons. You know, it's airplanes, you know, missing.

Speaker 5 (01:34:38):
All that kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
So you know, there's a whole different side to to
Lake Champlain, not just you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
The this is my brain has just blown because now
I'm like conspiracy, Yeah, literary aeroplanes.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
When you're talking about the military planes going over, I'm like,
are they like monster or are they the for more
UFO activity?

Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
All right, Katie Elizabeth, You've got to tell us for us.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
That on the UFO stuff, just a little bit, just
a way touch on the touchy touch.

Speaker 4 (01:35:12):
Okay, So about the UFO documentary, whatever you want to.

Speaker 5 (01:35:18):
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
I didn't know that this was even part of it,
and I'm very excited.

Speaker 5 (01:35:23):
Yeah, it's kind of a kind of a.

Speaker 4 (01:35:25):
Separate documentary, but I am going to include some info
about a well known abduction that happened at Lake Champlain.
It was up near in Colchester, Vermont, and I actually
managed to get in touch with the land owner where
it happened when it was a camp. So I think
I'm going to interview her next time I come up

(01:35:48):
to do my research, which is in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:35:50):
So I'm like, I'm bad. I'm like doing all these.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
Crazy things at once to try and interview champ By way,
this is this lady that owns the land where this
abduction it had happened. It was before she had bought
the property. But it was a couple of teenagers that
were on the lake. They seen a UFO coming out
of Champlain. They had an experience some lost lost time, yeah,

(01:36:18):
and then basically just came to and they're sitting on
the dock and these people were coming in from a
I believe it was a kayaking or I think it
was a kayaking trip, a race type of thing, and
they had come in and they're like, what happened to
like the couple of hours, Yeah, and they all they
remembered was this, you know, this thing coming out of
the lake, this light coming out of the lake.

Speaker 5 (01:36:40):
So that's an interesting I think it was.

Speaker 4 (01:36:43):
Oh god, what wasn't it? Bluff?

Speaker 5 (01:36:45):
Let me look at my It's so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
I have to look at my own coming out of
the lake changing because then you're talking about potential craft
coming out of a lake that is now being you know,
switched up by those barges and that electrical line going down.
So is there going to be a wee bit of

(01:37:09):
interstellar conflict?

Speaker 5 (01:37:11):
Well, yeah, you kind of you kind of wonder.

Speaker 4 (01:37:13):
And the thing is right now that the electrical line
that they're putting is not active yet, So I'm kind
of wondering what the hell is going to happen when
that happens. I mean, if they start, if they start
coming up beaching themselves and we're gonna then my my
search is over. We're already they're there. That's the only
good that's the only good part. And then imagine what

(01:37:36):
it would cause them to yank that whole freaking powerl
line out of the leap because they're dealing with it
with an endangers be Oh my god, it's crazy and
it sounds like some crazy movie, but you never know
it's crazy anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:37:48):
Yeah. Yeah, there's also like another case where there were
a couple and they would chase they were driving around
Lake Champlagne and they would chase aggressively chased by Yeah,
like terrifying encounter.

Speaker 5 (01:38:02):
Yeah, there a a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
You know, it's not just one abduction case. There are
there are other cases.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Okay, I'll do some research.

Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
Oh you're just blowing my mind. Yeah, buff buff Ledge.

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
Buff Ledge is the name of it. And that was
over near Cold chest O, Vermont. I had to look
almost I'm thinking Bluff Cliff because of Bluff, so like
I have to look at the name because it's buff Ledged,
that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Well yeah, oh wow, that's fantastic.

Speaker 8 (01:38:35):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:38:35):
You got your fingers in pies.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
Girl. Well yeah, we actually, my husband, actually him and
I we had taken a trip out to Nevada to
not necessarily write an area fifty one, but around that area,
and that's what the other documentary that we're doing is
called Mission UFO, and we've interviewed all kinds of alien
abduction cases and gone out there and interviewed people there

(01:39:00):
as well.

Speaker 5 (01:39:00):
And I think the coolest part.

Speaker 4 (01:39:02):
About being out there is well, I like going to
Las Vegas and going to the casinos, but I don't
really gamble because I can't afford to do that because
it cost me so much to do with these expeditions.
But it's really cool to go out to the desert
and see these petric glyphs that the Native Americans have
on the rocks, and to see some of the really

(01:39:24):
strange petric glyphs that really look alien in nature. So
I've talked to some Native Americans that have background and
knowing about petroc glyphs and stuff like that, and that's
going to be featured in Mission UFO, that documentary. So
We've We've got so much stuff coming out and I
need to It's hard because I'm doing all this field research.

(01:39:45):
But by October that's going to be done for a while.
Then I have the whole winter time to do all
of these things. But the expedition Scotland, the Search a
Lotaness and Mara will be out first, so we'll start
with that one and we'll work on the.

Speaker 5 (01:40:00):
Others, and that is so exciting. Yeah, so exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
If we can get your premiere in New Zealand and Australia,
and you know, Juliet and I are pretty amazing at
conjuring stuff up.

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
You know, I would absolutely love that. That would be
so much fun because I mean, I have to come
and visit you guys sometime. It's going to be a
long freaking It's going to be a long plane road.

Speaker 5 (01:40:24):
But that's okay, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
You know, what is that for us to get to
the States. Like I went to Egypt last year and
that was nearly twenty six hours of traveling going through
two different airports in the oh my god.

Speaker 5 (01:40:38):
End of the world. And would like to apologize for that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
But once you're here, that's great.

Speaker 4 (01:40:46):
But yeah, I would I would love to definitely do
something like that for the premiere of the the documentary
on our Scottish trip. I mean it was, it was
really cool and luckily I have a very exotic palette
when it comes eating, so the Hagis and all that,
I liked it. I liked the black pudding. I like
the Hagis. Was a lot of people don't like that

(01:41:08):
kind of stuff, but I'm pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
Are we like I'll go out and try stuff as well,
and like the same thing I've done, the haggis and
all that, you know, like back in New Zealand, like
we would eat like emu Ostrich. I was brought up
hunting and fishing, and generally when we go overseas, we
do like to try, you know, kind of the most
random stuff. But we had crickets and all that kind

(01:41:30):
of stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:41:31):
I won't eat ta.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Yeah, as I'm getting old on my palettes, like, yeah,
I don't think I can eat that.

Speaker 5 (01:41:37):
Just don't know that I can put that out in my.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Mouth right now, you know, Because in Indonesia they'll do
like tarantulas and scorpions and all sorts of different things
like that. And we went through I took my son
through Thailand and Cambodia and Vietnam.

Speaker 5 (01:41:51):
Oh that's wow. Yeah, it was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
He was homeschooled for a couple of years when he
was kind of about eleven twelve, and I was like, right,
part of your homeschool, we're going to go over and
go to ankor Wad and go and see all these
amazing places and just culture him a little bit so
he doesn't turn into a right little toad, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:42:08):
And he has a bit of vation for the rest
of the world, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
And one of the funniest things was we were like,
we're going to eat a tarantula. It will be great,
or you know, we're going to eat a scorpion. And
we never did that. But the one thing that I
made him do, and I know this is totally off topic,
but I love it. The one thing I made him
do is we sat down down one of the little
side streets in I think we were in Vietnam at
the time. We're like, oh, we'll just you know, eat

(01:42:32):
from one of the side vendors, you know, people little
cafes and whatnot. And there was this really quite well
aged woman. I would say she had been in her nineties,
if not a bit.

Speaker 5 (01:42:43):
Older than that. She was very, very weathered. She looked
like a cool that was smiling at the low teeth.
And I was like hello. She was like, yo, come here.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
So we went and sat down next to her at
her table and she's talking and speaking in Vietnamese, couldn't
speaking English very well, and she's going here, here, here, delicacy, delicacy.
And she gives my son, who was about eleven or
twelve at the time. This egg, right, it was just
like a normal chicken's egg.

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
Oh no, it's a delicacy.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
It's one. I know what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:43:13):
I know what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
It's blue and was called I don't know what it's called,
but it was it's bad, very bad. And she thought
it was freaking hilarious because he peeled it all and
it came out black.

Speaker 5 (01:43:27):
It's Chocolate's chocolates, chocolates, does it. And so he, he,
being the beautiful Samoan child he is and will basically
eat anything, bit straight into this black egg. And I'm
sitting there going, I don't think that's right. Oh my gosh.
And he bit into it and it was just black
goo that came out.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
Of it, and he was like, oh, this woman in
her nineties, the corpse lady, was just like.

Speaker 5 (01:43:54):
Yeah, oh yep, Larry. He was not happy. He was
not impressed at all.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
So I think that's the same thing that I've heard of,
where it's like the whole embryo of the chickens and there.

Speaker 5 (01:44:15):
I can't do it. That's something I couldn't do unless.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
I was like dying of starvation maybe, but I don't
even even then.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
I don't think so, but it was great and I
feel like that was that's possibly the reason why I
had a child.

Speaker 5 (01:44:29):
That moment.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
Entertainment a fair factor going on there. Let's try this one.

Speaker 4 (01:44:36):
He'll never forget that experience as long as he lives,
I'm sure, and.

Speaker 5 (01:44:40):
He'll probably blame it on me forever.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
We had some really crazy experiences in Cambodia though at
a call what and it was pretty amazing. And like,
if we can get you down to Australia or New Zealand,
there's so many amazing places, amazing like megalithic sites and
other weird stuff that happens down here, and we will,
we will take you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:02):
On a trip.

Speaker 5 (01:45:03):
It doc.

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
We've got a couple going as well, so that's so cool.

Speaker 5 (01:45:08):
Well, I can't wait to see like your stuff come out.

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
And I mean, anyway I can help promote those I mean,
that would be great too. Well, let's let's try to
like work together and see what we can do with
each other and love that. Yes, because there's not enough.
There's not enough of that in the crypto world. Everybody's
out for themselves. I think one hand washes the other
is always a great Then well.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
That's why we started Crypto Women's Society was for women
like you and women that follow you, and women that
kind of are sitting on the fringes of this sort
of space, going how do I get into that or
or what do I do or help.

Speaker 5 (01:45:42):
Me to understand?

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
And that's why I love the fact that you've really
kind of broken things down for us today and really kind.

Speaker 5 (01:45:47):
Of introduced us to the basics.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
Of what it's like to be on the water searching
for a semi extinct species or something that isn't meant
to be there. And it's so mysterious and so exciting
to be a part of it, even on the outside
of New Zealand and Australia where we can.

Speaker 5 (01:46:07):
Kind of look in and go, what are you doing
over there?

Speaker 4 (01:46:09):
In America, it's a lot of fun to like, you know,
take the live videos and just keep everybody in the
loop of what's going on. And you know, I just
want I want people, especially women that are afraid to
a breakout of the shell and it are shy and stuff.
When I was a kid, I was extremely shy. But

(01:46:30):
boy is that changed. I mean, it really has changed.
Because this is my passion and what I love to
do and if it helps with getting the awareness of
we don't know everything on this planet. I think this
is so important to teach kids too that don't be
afraid of ridicule. Just get out there and just do

(01:46:53):
your thing if it makes you happy.

Speaker 5 (01:46:55):
Who the hell.

Speaker 4 (01:46:55):
Cares what anybody else thinks. And that's the biggest thing.
And that's how we make discover I mean, we don't
make discoveries sitting on our butts all the time. There
are so many discoveries that are out there. I mean, like,
look at Arthur C. Clark. He was one of the
people that I looked up to with inventing the communication satellite,
and he was so into the late creatures and Bigfoot,

(01:47:17):
all of the unknown.

Speaker 5 (01:47:19):
Oh oh, she's gone under and lightning again. I wonder
if she's got a hurricane above it. I get hear
the thunder before, I was like, ooh, oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
So also, I'm sure Kay's gonna his probably oh this
is I think, there we go.

Speaker 5 (01:47:39):
So he just cut out there just as you were.
Just this horrible weather.

Speaker 4 (01:47:43):
We got a thunderstorm going over it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
Normally happens to me, the same thing happens here. Soon's
got any bad weather.

Speaker 5 (01:47:49):
That's that. My Internet is just shocking.

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
So do you have any advice for women, like maybe
some of our members or some women that are watching
that really want to kind of get into research or
really have like this kind of kind of drawing to
doing something like what you were doing. Do you have
any advice for them to get started? What would you
what would you tell them.

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
To get started? Basically, you know, doing the armchair research first,
and you know, in combination with the fuel research. The
probably the biggest thing for me is in my favorite
obviously is getting out and doing the fuel research. But
some people it's really hard to do because it's really
expensive to do. It's time consuming if you have a

(01:48:37):
regular nine to five job, but doing the online research,
getting as many books as you can about the subjects,
and going out observing nature, just observing nature. And you know,
not only do I do the hydrophone recordings in Champlaine,
I do them in the ocean and other lakes that

(01:48:57):
don't necessarily have anything to do the comparisons, you know,
to do the comparisons with say, beluga whale recordings, manatee
recordings down here in Florida, just going out and getting
all of this data and doing comparisons. Just general knowledge
of nature is so important, and then using the reading

(01:49:21):
the books and and doing all the research online as well.
That's basically it. I mean, it's just really getting out
there and being in nature, just learning different techniques with
that sort of thing. If you don't know what to
use for equipment, or you can't afford afford the certain
pieces of equipment, then you can learn how to make it.

(01:49:43):
I mean there's all different avenues you can buy it used.
I mean there's a lot. When I started out, it
built an underwater camera with a PVC pipe, Like you know,
I figure out the craziest stuff like trying to Yeah,
like I put together this PBC pipe. I got all
the stuff at home depot and I got this camera

(01:50:04):
and I put it in there and sealed it up
with JB. Weld And that was my first underwater camera.
And then now you know, fortunately we have ebail and
you can get stuff you so you can look in the
line for fish cameras and stuff like that. There's always
if there's a will, there's a way. And it's kind
of like being a guyver, like go online and just
google it. Go on and watch videos.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Right, you don't have to know everything, or you don't
have to have a degree in ABC and D, or
you don't have to have bucket loads of years of
experience in ABC all day to get started and start
doing research and stop investigating.

Speaker 4 (01:50:42):
And basically knowledge is powers. Or having the books, the book,
you know, Booksmarts. The boy read this book water Horse
of Champlaining the search and it says not for resale.
But that's because this is my proof copy. But this
book is actually available online right now. Is just the

(01:51:04):
digital print which is on Amazon dot Com. I'm revising
this with some new information and sightings as well, so
that'll be probably out in a couple of months. See
how much stuff I.

Speaker 5 (01:51:15):
Have to do it? But this is this is the book.

Speaker 4 (01:51:19):
Then I have.

Speaker 5 (01:51:21):
Book. Yeah, go and find that out. One go and
find that. It's just like a blessed with it on.
Oh my gosh, what.

Speaker 4 (01:51:33):
Do they do with it?

Speaker 5 (01:51:34):
I have too many books? Oh, here we go, found it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:37):
Yeah, here's hello, Baby Champ.

Speaker 5 (01:51:40):
This is my children's book. Yes, this is what I
was gonna ask you about. It was definitely on my list.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
Tell us about your newly launched Baby Champ book.

Speaker 4 (01:51:50):
Oh, it's just it was so much fun to do,
and I wanted to do something for the kids and
to bring awareness of protecting Lake Champlain. That's like the
biggest thing for me. And so this story is about
this little girl that goes to Late Champlain named Kaylee
meets Baby Champ. I'm not going to totally spoil it,
but they it's basically the star of their big adventure

(01:52:12):
on Champlain. And the illustrations I did digitally and it's
very life it's very life like, and we Cindy Jolie,
the Marine biologists, helped me do the models, the models
of the Champs going by.

Speaker 5 (01:52:28):
The sonar, the sonar pictures.

Speaker 4 (01:52:31):
The video and also the compiled I witnessed reports. So
there's a lot of great illustrations in here. And that's
actually me when I was little, which is quite funny.

Speaker 5 (01:52:41):
I cartoonized my face.

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
So I'm in the book too, and my parents are
in the book, and so yeah, it's it's really cool.
It shows this part here Baby Champ walking out of
land to meet Kaylee.

Speaker 5 (01:52:55):
So there's it's a great book.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
It's and it's very informative for the kids about the
ancient history of League Champlain as well, talks about the
different types of primordial fish hittering Champlain, the different types
of fossils as well, trila bite. So it's it's really great.
It's uh, something I wanted to do for a long time.
And it's a lot more fun than when I did

(01:53:18):
this book, because this book was like two hundred and
thirty five pages long and all scientific protocol and it's
like Smith, I like doing this one better.

Speaker 5 (01:53:26):
Now you're put pictures in there.

Speaker 4 (01:53:29):
Yes, exactly, that was a lot more fun to do.

Speaker 5 (01:53:33):
That's about on Amazon.

Speaker 4 (01:53:36):
Yes, yes, Hello. Baby Champ is available on Amazon and
Barnes and Noble and Walmart dot com as well.

Speaker 5 (01:53:42):
Oh yay, very good.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
Well we know about akhads are going to be getting
for Christmas.

Speaker 5 (01:53:49):
Oh that's awesome, and I know they'll love it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:52):
I even read it once in a while when I
get blue. You know, it's like gonna read the gotta read.

Speaker 5 (01:53:56):
My Baby Champ book.

Speaker 4 (01:53:57):
That'll cheer me up.

Speaker 5 (01:54:00):
It's great.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
That is so Hey, I have another question for you, Katie. Listen,
you're happy to stick around. I know we've now to
our mark. I'm absolutely fascinated at the fact that you
have managed to get protection put on Lake.

Speaker 5 (01:54:17):
Champlain and champ as a whole. So can you talk us.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
Through kind of what that is and how that came
about and how you were a part of that. I've
done a little bit of research, but I couldn't quite
figure out we fit into that and how what.

Speaker 5 (01:54:35):
That actually is.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
It's really hard researching from New Zealand anything in the
northern hemisphere because we get blocked on our internet quite quickly.
So it was like a little list on my list
of things to ask Katie Elizabeth because obviously you know this,
so please give us the information that we need on

(01:54:56):
how did you create this or how did you help
to create.

Speaker 5 (01:55:00):
This reserve this pretiction. Well, there was.

Speaker 4 (01:55:04):
A couple of old laws from like nineteen eighty one
that were put into play with New York and Vermont
sty legislature. The problem on the New York side was
this one particular law in Port Henry, New York, which
is a hamlet. It's called the Hamlet of Mariah, New York.

(01:55:26):
All the laws that were put into play at that
time were being dissolved, and I said, well, what the
heck is going to happen with this chant protection law?

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:55:34):
The thing that I didn't really like about the chant
protection law that was wrote at that time was that
it was stated the Lake Champlain Sea serpent like, acting
like it's just one when in fact there's a population.
So I said, I need to really change this. And
just I was really nervous about going to the town

(01:55:56):
offices and saying, hey, can we write a new chant
projection um because people are gonna think I'm absolutely insane.
And it was actually really funny because the pickup truck
that I had at the time was not four wheel drive.
It started snowing like crazy. I'm going across this big
ass bridge that goes over Champlain. I'm like, oh my god.

(01:56:16):
I'm like, I'm still going. I'm going to this meeting
with the town supervisor. And so I got there and
I'm just like, oh my god, I hope I look okay.
I hope I'm presenting myself well. And so I went
in there and this guy's gonna this guy's gonna think
I'm absolutely insane.

Speaker 6 (01:56:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:56:33):
Yeah, I'm trying to do my makeup and look nice.
And I got this snow hat on my head looking ridiculous.
And so I got in there and I looked at
him and I'm like, Hi, I'm like, you must think
I'm totally insane. He's like I don't, and I'm like, okay,
Well tell me why you don't think I'm insane, and
he said because when he was a kid he had

(01:56:55):
seen something in the lake. He had many relatives who
had had sightings of something that they could not explain.
So he said, listen, just tell me what you want
to change and we'll see what happens. I'll just present
it at the meeting. So he went and they did.
It was funny because he told me that it was

(01:57:15):
going to happen like two nights later, and naturally, no,
I think it was going to be a week later.
And then they presented it much quicker. So I had
no idea that the law was even passed until somebody
emailed me and said, hey, I heard that your laws passed,
and I'm like, what the hell really? So I was
so excited, And it was because of the echo location

(01:57:37):
recordings and all of that. At that time, I had
not come out with the twenty I think I hadn't
come out with the twenty nineteenth sonar yet, but with
all of the eyewitnessed reports and the echo location recordings
and all of that. Everybody voted for it unanimously, so
it was really amazing. There was one person, there was
some one person at the meeting that are like that

(01:58:00):
was laughing and then they're like okay, law passed and
she was like huh, and the like it's someone I
know that's a reporter for the newspaper and said to her,
well at work, didn't it and she she shut her
mouth real quick. So that was really that was quite a.

Speaker 5 (01:58:15):
Victory to have that happen, and it was really nice.

Speaker 4 (01:58:18):
And and then after that had happened, one of the
gentlemen that approved of passing a law, he actually told
me that he had a sighting right actually.

Speaker 5 (01:58:29):
Right, m right when?

Speaker 4 (01:58:34):
Right when? Right yesterday?

Speaker 5 (01:58:40):
An hour before. I'm like right into this. I like
this is so exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
And one of the reasons I'm really into it is
because this is something we were talking about with the
Tasmanian tiger, right with the Australia. How would you go
about getting some sort of protection in place for those animals.

Speaker 3 (01:59:02):
An animal that is supposedly extinct but it's not actually extinct.

Speaker 2 (01:59:06):
Yeah, and you're still getting hundreds of sightings every year.
I think there was something like five thousand sightings in
the last two years or something, which is pretty crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:59:13):
So yeah, how do you how do you do that?

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
And that was one of the reasons I really wanted
to hear from Katie elisambonthluster.

Speaker 5 (01:59:21):
Could you see the lightning in her window there?

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
Why then the cat cried? I was like, my cat too.

Speaker 5 (01:59:29):
Well, I tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:59:30):
Like if she can come back and then we'll let
her back in and we'll finish that little conversation. But man,
that was mind blowing. I absolutely just I was so
so happy that we had the opportunity to speak with
her because she's just like, absolutely formidable, one of the
most genuine, honest.

Speaker 3 (01:59:49):
Hard working She's doing so much stuff, she wealth of knowledge. Yeah,
and she's just yeah, she's she's absolutely entertaining. She's so
such a cool person, such a cool chat.

Speaker 5 (02:00:04):
Man. Oh, we've definitely got to do this again.

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
And you know, like, I think integrity is that number
one word that she kind of brought out and and
Katie Elizabeth said very clearly that integrity for her is
the most important thing and that's what keeps her balanced
within a crazy industry of people saying ABCD bringing up stories,

(02:00:26):
chaking stuff U. Yeah, And I think that's something that
we as Crypto Women's Society try to bring through to
all of our all of our live streams and the
and the content that we post. We try all the
time to get the right story from the right people
and pay respect to the to the people that have
actually had those encounters versus just.

Speaker 5 (02:00:48):
We're going to use your story and we're not going
to talk about you.

Speaker 4 (02:00:51):
Yeah, we tried.

Speaker 5 (02:00:53):
We try our best to do that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:54):
Sometimes we don't manage it and sometimes we screw up
a little bit, and we appreciate everyone support us in
this little journey that we're on. It's definitely a learning journey.

Speaker 3 (02:01:03):
Agels learning a lot, Yeah, and it's stuff you know,
and like like today, you know, talking to Katie there
is just there's so much, you know, so many other
things going on around Lake Champlain and it's been going
on for years, so and really interesting. You know how
she's saying how those the military planes are now flying

(02:01:26):
over you know, it's it all. You know, Like we say,
we don't get into the conspiracy stuff too thing, but
when stuff like that's happening, and then it's happening at
loch Ness and it's you know, it's like, yeah, there's
gotta be some connection here.

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
Is we don't believe in coincidences, you know, there is
always connections with everything. And I love the connections between
the Tunny Far which is New Zealand's you know, sea
monster and Lake Monster and champ at Lake Champlain, like
especially the sunbathe and coming up onto the rocks and
up onto the shortest sunbathe.

Speaker 5 (02:01:58):
That blew my mind. I didn't realized that that was
a connection.

Speaker 4 (02:02:02):
And I didn't realize that.

Speaker 3 (02:02:03):
Yeah, so many kind of land sightings either, so that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
I looked up the Saurian Monster, which is in the
nineteen eighties, up in the White Shadow, there was a
sea monster seen by a couple of boys who literally
came out of the out of the ocean or one
of the lakes and then climbed up onto the rocks
onto a semi cave and sun bathed up there.

Speaker 5 (02:02:29):
And it was huge, super super long, and it had
four legs.

Speaker 2 (02:02:34):
And yeah, I found that really interesting because there's so
many connections that can be made between the conversation that
we've had with Katie Elizabeth and her evidence right, and man,
she is about like an encyclopedia of evidence.

Speaker 3 (02:02:50):
Yeah, had she has had so many sightings and yeah,
and like the evidence that she has collected, and that's
what you know. For me, that's what makes it so amazing,
Like all the work that she's done, and she has
stuck at it and yeah she has you know, and
she'll continue to do it and I'm sure we will.

(02:03:12):
We will get a lot more out of her. And
I'm excited to see what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (02:03:18):
Could you imagine getting getting her on an aeroplane and
bringing her to New Zealand or Australia much money.

Speaker 3 (02:03:25):
It's fine, So maybe her power has gone out. We
may not get her back, okay, but we will get
her back again.

Speaker 5 (02:03:32):
We are going to get her into dungeon Talk. Pre interview, we.

Speaker 3 (02:03:37):
Were talking about other parts of the industry, which we'll
discuss in Dungeon Talk, the.

Speaker 5 (02:03:45):
Good, the bad, and the muddy, the bad and muddy. Yes.

Speaker 8 (02:03:49):
Yes, And if you want to join us in dungeon Talk,
all you have to do is go and jump onto
Cryptidwomensociety dot com, become a truth seek member and the
and you'll get access to all of the rooms in
the in the members portal, you'll get access to the
Arcane Library where it has documents and books and all sorts.

Speaker 5 (02:04:10):
Of things in there.

Speaker 2 (02:04:11):
You'll get access to the Gathering where you get to
talk with everyone, share evidence, stories, all of that sort
of stuff. We have the Dungeon of course R eighteen
where we do Dungeon Talk once a month and obviously
information dropped in there as well. And that has the
Forbidden Files, which is a naughty wee bookshelf of interesting
books R eighteen.

Speaker 3 (02:04:33):
As our library is growing all the time, so yeah,
there's being stuff being added all the time.

Speaker 2 (02:04:40):
So we also have VIP interviews in shadow Talk, interviews
that haven't been released to the general public. They're literally
live stream for our members to come in and ask
questions to these amazing guests that that we've had. You know,
join us in shadow Talk and so if you want
to be a part of that, or We've got to

(02:05:00):
do is get over to Cryptowomansociety dot com and become
a truth second, it's simple. So miss Juliet, what is
happening next week?

Speaker 5 (02:05:10):
I don't know what is happening next week.

Speaker 2 (02:05:14):
Next week, Juliet and I are going to open the
folder on her Egypt trip. We are are going to
look at videos and photographs that have never been seen.
Juliet has taken thousands of photos and videos and she
hasn't looked through any of them.

Speaker 5 (02:05:35):
So we are literally going to do that live. God
knows what we're going to do.

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
I really hope there's no naked photos in there, because
we'll be looking.

Speaker 3 (02:05:44):
But we do have hophs of hieroglyphs of dinosaurs, an
plesiosaurs and.

Speaker 4 (02:05:51):
Stuff like that, which is.

Speaker 2 (02:05:53):
Really little weird horned beasts and things for these devil
looking things.

Speaker 3 (02:06:00):
Yeah, lots of lots of strangeness going on in Egypt.
And we went to probably I don't know, maybe ten
to fifteen different temples, maybe more. A lot a lot
of different temples and places, and you.

Speaker 5 (02:06:16):
Got into places that you shouldn't have gotten.

Speaker 3 (02:06:18):
Into, right, that we shouldn't have and we're crawling through
little tunnels and yeah, so you know, we've seen the
helicopter hieroglyphs, We've seen the light bulb ones. I tried
to go to all the strange places I could.

Speaker 5 (02:06:33):
It'll be interesting because I haven't seen these either.

Speaker 2 (02:06:35):
And if you've ever wanted to go to Egypt, and
I'm pretty sure Egypt is on every single person in
the world bucket list.

Speaker 5 (02:06:43):
I know it's on mine.

Speaker 2 (02:06:46):
This is a really great opportunity to look at the
temples and Egypt as a whole through a perspective, or
through the glasses of a paranormal investigator, of somebody that
kind of theirs towards the supernatural or you're not just
going to get the mainstream rubbish that they show.

Speaker 5 (02:07:03):
And all the pictures and all the books and stuff.
You're actually going to get a.

Speaker 2 (02:07:07):
Perspective where we're searching for those weird supernatural things I
think that shouldn't be there. So join us next week.
It is going to be so much fun. If you
want to get in touch with us, you can DM
us on Instagram or Facebook or right here on YouTube.
Thank you everyone for joining us. You guys and girls

(02:07:29):
have been so great. I hope you learned a little bit.
Did you learn something, Juliette.

Speaker 3 (02:07:34):
I learned a lot from Kayeah. Yeah, yeah, there's definitely
and reading her book. Her book is amazing. It's not
overly technical for people out there. You know, sometimes there's
these books but that have been released and you just
read them and go. You know, so she's got a
lot of eyewitness accounts, a lot of like the investigations

(02:07:55):
that she has done, you know, about how she came
to you know, like a little bit deeper into you know,
how she became a lover of Champ and followed that
kind of.

Speaker 5 (02:08:08):
Kind of followed that line.

Speaker 3 (02:08:09):
And Yeah, a lot of interviews and witness accounts which
are really really cold. So there's a lot of that stuff,
a lot of different parts of what people have come out,
what they think that's that you know, Champ could be from,
you know, the ancient dinosaur perspective, it's from a cultural perspective. Yeah,
the book is amazing and the fact that she's doing

(02:08:31):
an update where that will be even cooler to definitely
go check out his stuff, follow her, support her, go
have a look at her awesome videos.

Speaker 5 (02:08:41):
She has done some very cool stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:08:43):
Yeah, absolutely, And you can find her at Champ Search Foundation,
the Champ Search. All you have to do is Google
search that you can Google search Katie Elizabeth as well.
Anytime your search Katie Elizabeth and Lake.

Speaker 5 (02:08:55):
Champlain or Champ. All of her socials will come her
some support because she's doing freaking amazing work. And she
deserves it. And you were great, Juliet, thanks so much. Bye,
thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:09:09):
It's so cool.

Speaker 5 (02:09:10):
It's we have so much fun doing.

Speaker 3 (02:09:12):
This, and yeah, this is this is very cold.

Speaker 4 (02:09:15):
This is yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:09:16):
And then like we said, getting on the people, the
woman that we really really want to interview, it was.

Speaker 4 (02:09:22):
Just very very cold.

Speaker 5 (02:09:23):
So loved it, loved every second. Anyway, We love you all.
We'll see you next week.

Speaker 2 (02:09:29):
Bye.

Speaker 1 (02:09:34):
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