Cryptid Women’s Society | Live with Brittany Barbieri and the Truth about Mothman! - Cult of Conspiracy

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Said a woman's Society Walking in the shadows. The cult
edition said a woman's society. You're walking in the shadows
the cultition.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I think we might be live.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yes, we are welcome everybody to walking in the shadows
with Cryptid Women's Society. My name is Lisa, I'm Juliette,
and that woman down there is Brittany Barbierery. And we
are so excited to have this lady join us.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Today on our podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I feel like the time between our CHEMP conversations is
way longer than.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
What it should be.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
Oh for sure, yeap hundreds.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
I'm glad you're an I'm glad you're not like, oh gosh,
too soon.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
No, no, it can never be too much awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Well, hey, thank you so much for joining us this Brittany.
It's lovely to have you here. All the way from
the States to New Zealand to Australia.

Speaker 6 (01:15):
It's a free way, always always.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
We love the triangle that's right now. You got to
get o the conspiracy people going got the triangle.

Speaker 6 (01:30):
That's right in any picture anywhere you can. You got
to put it out there. Illuminati, my friend, Illuminati, we're
all together.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Just take a photo real quickly, like this is right,
that's going to be.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Our profile picture right there.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Oh my goodness, Brittany, you have been so busy. You've
been out in the field, you've been filming, you've been
at conferences. You've been doing just a ridiculous amount of
stuff along with being an amazing mum, running your house,
doing everything else and looking after life in general.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
So tell us that what's been going on.

Speaker 5 (02:09):
Uh, well, it's been busy, it's been crazy. Obviously.

Speaker 6 (02:12):
The last thing I was at was the lecture in Gatlinburg, Tennessee,
which was amazing, at the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Conference. After that,
it was come home, rushed to make sure everything was
getting set, everything was good. I think I feel like
I went somewhere after that, though.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
I really do.

Speaker 6 (02:34):
I can't remember, but I do feel like we picked
up and went somewhere after that, Like it was like
boom boom, and then it was like quiet time and yeah,
like I'm always going somewhere. We're always somewhere doing something.
Right now, in Florida, it is just too miserably hot
to do any Florida field work. You gotta like move
towards Georgia and stuff like that. Like it's so miserable.

(02:56):
We've been having like index heat index up to like
one hundred and fifteen. Feels like, so being outside is
not a good idea right now.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Your humidity there is pretty bad too, Isn't it awful?

Speaker 6 (03:08):
It's you literally can walk right out your door and
immediately just turn into water.

Speaker 7 (03:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
Oh it's disgusting.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah yeah, then it gets Queensland's like Queensland's the same,
Like you get ninety percent humiditate.

Speaker 7 (03:21):
It's sick.

Speaker 8 (03:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
But yeah, I mean just living, staying busy, doing doing.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
What I can.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
It's it's like it's said, it's always something.

Speaker 6 (03:34):
And now both the kids are in school, so like,
for the first time in ten years, I'm having me
time that I don't understand.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
What this is. It's very strange.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Woh do you just sit here sometimes enjoy it? What
am I going to do now?

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I've cleaned all the cupboards, rearranged, I've made the beads.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Washing's done, I will be honest.

Speaker 6 (03:57):
Like the first day it was eerie and I didn't
like it because my husband had to travel for work
that week and it was my first week that my
daughter was in school with my son, and normally, when
you give me come home.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
I would start her homeschooling, so like I had a.

Speaker 6 (04:12):
Schedule set and then I would do work when she
was doing her playtime. And so I came home and
it was like, I mean the house was so quiet,
it was creepy to me. I didn't like it, like
I didn't let so I immediately was like turning on music.
I even made it real because I was like I
don't know what to do, Like I would go from
room to room and play with the kids, like I'm like,

(04:32):
what the heck do I do? And then I was like, well,
I mean I could cover my work, I could.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
Get stuff done I need to do.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
So then it was just like figuring it out through
this strange like you're worried because it's their first year
in school. It's at first day in school and they've
ever been in school before, and then there's like that
anxiety of their apart from you. And but then you're like,
but I'm free. Is it okay to feel excited?

Speaker 5 (04:56):
Am I a bad mom? If I'm excited to have
this moment right now?

Speaker 6 (04:59):
I'm like I was going through a lot on day
one and day two, and then by day three I.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
Was like, bye, I'll see you.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
I'm going to do like.

Speaker 7 (05:08):
It went by like that passed and you're like, oh,
I don't feel well, I don't care.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Yeah, they could deal with it at school.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
If you're really sick.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
From you fine, you can go.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
That's right. Wrap that puppy up around the neck.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
And we were used to walk and snow for four hours.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
With no shoes on.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
Okay, you're going see that's you know, I'm telling you.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
That's how it is. Like we grew up in a
different time than these kids. I think they're spoiled.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah, we love them.

Speaker 7 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
My grandkids did just totally driven to school, you know,
picked up.

Speaker 7 (05:47):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
And one of the things I love about you, Britt
is that you're a mom. You know, like you're a mom,
you're a wife, you have a family, you were juggling
more than one child, and you're doing all of this
other stuff on top and you really we just kind
of showcase what women are able to do and our
strength and our determination and commitment as people that have

(06:09):
to get stuff done right.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Like there's no time where you can.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Sit there going Oh I don't really need to, you know,
do that, or I don't really need to do that.
We're always going, okay, cool, that's what needs to get
done now.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
I might take five minutes, but that still needs to
get done.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
We still need to be mums, we still need to
do the washing, we still need to do ABC and
D let alone, running a business, let alone going and
filming the Lost Monster files on location, let alone doing
all the other things that you're doing. So I really
like you're you are such an inspiration to me personally. Know,
Juliet kind of feels the same way being in this

(06:47):
industry and meeting someone like you who's just got such
a beautiful soul and is so willing to give to
this amazing you know, place and space. We just love it,
and we just we hold you on such a high
pedestal because you are literally doing everything that most of
us are doing as well, but you're absolutely smashing it.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
So are there times when think.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
You you're not smashing it?

Speaker 5 (07:11):
Oh yeah, all the.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Time outside you're just doing so much stuff and you're
doing what we should be doing and what we want
to be doing.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
So what does it really look like?

Speaker 5 (07:21):
It's a mess? And it's chaotic and it's definitely not pretty.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
And there are days where I will I think every
mom has those days where they feel like they didn't
give their kid enough attention that day, or like they
weren't full good mom mode or good wife that day,
and like I juggle with that, Like there are times
where I have stopped and went, am I stretching myself
too far? Do I need to take a step back

(07:47):
and like really evaluate what I'm doing? And then I'm
like no, because I like all of this. I just
need to figure out like the balance. And I've always
said family first. I've always said that across the board,
even with every job I've ever had.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
So it was like I am.

Speaker 6 (08:01):
Letting you know now that whatever I'm doing, if there's
something more important going on with my kids at home,
they come first, Like my family, my kid's priority. Yeah,
So that's where it becomes sometimes good, I mean, And
sometimes I'll involve the kids in my work, Like if
there's a way that my kids can come with me
into the field or on my work or in my

(08:23):
travels or to conventions, I'll bring them. I don't care,
like I'd rather them be exposed to my work and
see what I do and be a part of it.

Speaker 5 (08:32):
Then I don't know. I just don't like.

Speaker 6 (08:34):
Leaving them out sometimes if they can be a part
of it.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
But it's not pretty. It's not pretty.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
It's a constant It's a constant guilt feeling, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
And you know, like we're saying, women with you know,
and families with children, it's like, am I doing enough?
It's like you're exactly what you're saying, am I spending
enough time with them?

Speaker 7 (08:55):
Or you know, you go, you're gone early in.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
The morning and then you come back late at night
and you're like, I've barely seen them more, I haven't
seen them, you know.

Speaker 7 (09:02):
I hate to leave you in their sleep or come home,
you know.

Speaker 9 (09:04):
So it is.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
And I think that's, you know, such a big thing
with woman, just that that constant guilt that you feel,
that constant worry. You know, even even though you know
I've my kids are growing up and I've got grandkids,
it's still that same thing.

Speaker 7 (09:18):
You're still worry.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
Like my son's floating around in Chili somewhere snowboarding, and
I still worry about him. You know, he's a grown man,
but you still you can't stop worrying about them, you know.
So it's yeah, it's something that you know, I think
all women kind of really struggle with, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (09:35):
It's it's hard to juggle that perationalism as well, because
we're all really driven, right to be in this sort
of story, in this space and doing podcasts and interviews
and getting out into the field and conferences and stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
We're really driven people. And to balance that, like you said, Britt,
to maintain that kind of am I am I showing
my kids enough attention?

Speaker 4 (09:55):
What about my husband or my partner, like my family too?
Yeah happen Like who's that?

Speaker 7 (10:03):
Oh yeah, that's so.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
Yeah, No, it's so true. I field work is the
worst because they.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
Have you flying out like warely in the morning, so
you don't even get to see your kids wake up
for breakfast or anything, you know, and then like you're
flying in really wee hours at night to come in
you know, really late.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
And I think my daughter made.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
It hard, not on purpose because she's only four, but
there'd be a couple of times where I'm like, Okay,
I love, you have to go for work, and she'd
be like, are you going to be gone?

Speaker 5 (10:34):
Or are you just gonna be in.

Speaker 6 (10:35):
The office and I'd have to look at it and
be like, no, I'm going to be gone, and it
would just you just see like the sadness, you know,
and I'm like, she doesn't understand it yet. But like
the payoff was more. If my work is televised, there's
more payoff for the kids because then they're like, that's
Mom on TV. Like, so it's different. Then they understand
why I was gone and what I was doing. And
then I show them all the videos and I'm filming

(10:56):
while I'm on the road and I'm sending it to
them and stuff, and they're like, oh, it's so cool.

Speaker 7 (11:00):
You know.

Speaker 5 (11:00):
That's kind of how I broke that barrier. But being
gone for two weeks sometimes three weeks without being.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
Home, like I remember just calling mom and like, I
don't know if I can keep working like.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
This, like at this age with these kids, at this age.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
Like when they were younger, when they didn't realize that
mom was gone because their clocks were like really paying
attention because they were little little Like when I did
Demi Levado, my my daughter was six months old, like,
so I left her at home at six months old,
which was I never thought I would ever do, but
I had to. Like I'm like breast pumping on the boat,

(11:37):
you know.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
What I mean, Like I'm like making this work while
I'm gone. And that was tough.

Speaker 6 (11:42):
I'm all the way across the United States, like from
coast to coast, away from my kids.

Speaker 5 (11:48):
That was that was that was like the first big
like oh my god.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
I didn't realize. Yeah, And that guilt never goes even
though it's over and the kids don't even remember, that
guilt will sit with you.

Speaker 7 (12:02):
As a woman.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
We just inherently hold that guilt about stuff that happened,
like you know, twenty years ago, you're like, oh, for this,
or I didn't get this, or yeah, yeah, yeah, it's
what was mine.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
It was my son's first steps because I put him
into daycare because I had to at six months old,
and the caregivers wrung me and said, oh, Hunt has
taken his first steps, and I was like, yeah, I
was working exactly, yeah situation, yeah yeah yeah, And you

(12:34):
hold onto that, but I didn't know that you went
and did that when your daughter was six months old,
and it brings in so many other challenges after having
baby and kind of doing all that sort of other stuff,
and then.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Being literally on a boat.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
In the field diving. I was scuba diving out there.

Speaker 6 (12:51):
I was doing all of that after and that was
I had to make sure I was clear to do
it because I had a cesarean, so I had to
make sure that even though it was six months prior,
and like, I was like, I need to know that
I'm okay to do this, and like, yeah, You're fine,
You're good. So I was like okay, So yeah, like
you just got to be feeled ready.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yeah, Wow, that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
See so many different things about you that I'm learning
Garth Brooks.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Then we'll go into that letter. We've got to talk
about Garth Brooks letter.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
J compare me to Girth Brooks.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
God, but nothing. I don't think there is a comparison.
He's got far more facial here than you'll ever be out.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
It's true, as I just shave very well.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah, yeah, you get the five plates.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
That's right, I know. Venus.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Wow, we have.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Started off to a cracker of a show.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
If anyone is watching and you've got comments or you've
got questions for Britt, please drop them in the comments
section on YouTube here.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
We're watching.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
We can absolutely ask those questions and get real time
answers anything that you want to ask about big food,
about her field research, about the conference.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
She's just been to.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Have a question.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
So you had just been to the Smoky Mountains Bigfoot
Conference CORRECTOM and you were a keynote speaker and you
did a workshop of some sort. Can you run us
through kind of what you did? What happened? Was this
your first kind of stand up talk at a conference
or is this something that you do quite often? You're
pretty used to it. You don't get freaked out anymore.

(14:30):
You're just on the stage doing your thing and loving it.

Speaker 9 (14:33):
Ah.

Speaker 6 (14:34):
Well, So I've done like stage presentations and lectures pretty
much my whole life in different areas of my fieldwork,
and most of them is done with animals, So I'd
be holding different animals and talking about them in front
of a lot, like a very large audience. I think
the largest I ever did was like two thousand people
doing a presentation on some of the animals that we
worked with over the years. And lamas like showing and

(14:56):
performing in front of large audiences as never it's ever.
I think that more or less comes from my entertainment
background of like being comfortable on stage, like being able
to engage with the audience. I love the audience. I
love people, and I like hearing what people are thinking,
like let's talk, let's be real, let's be level with
each other. What was really intense for me about this

(15:19):
particular lecture wasn't I wasn't going up, but even my
husband was with me, and he was with me at
the booth, and he was there and people were like,
why is she so nervous? And he's like, she's not
going up to talk about Bigfoot or her favorite cryptids,
or her field work or her life. She's basically about
to go up and show the facts, the hard truth
about a cryptid that so many people have idolized. Then

(15:39):
they may not like to hear. And so that's where
my stress was. And so I kept telling people like,
you sure you don't want to put on a blonde
wig and just go up as me, I mean, I
think you'd.

Speaker 11 (15:47):
Be gret because I was like, I know, I was like,
I don't want to go up, and I don't get
to just talk about like the cool stuff that I do,
or like the person and I am, and what I love,
or my theories or my thoughts like I'm about to do.

Speaker 6 (16:05):
A full breakdown on the moth Man from my personal
research in deep dive investigative work that I do on
every case. And I dug up facts that we don't
talk about nowadays that were published in newspaper articles a
day or two after the incident.

Speaker 5 (16:23):
So I was just like, how are these people?

Speaker 6 (16:25):
And so I'm at my booth and I had people
come up to me and They're like, we drove all
the way from.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
West Virginia to hear this lecture today, and I was like, oh.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
Digit, I'm like grant As I was honest with them,
I was like, look, it's my personal investigation from it.
I'm a deep dive investigator. I treat everything like a
crime scene. I don't like to be told what to believe.
I like to look for it for myself. And being
in so many different fields growing up, I have learned

(16:55):
that people write their own theory and take in a
book as a bias opinion. So you can only take
that with a grain of salt. You really got to
do your own work, because at the end of the day,
someone's going to look for their research to fit their
narrative in their book, right or to fit their bias opinion.
When I look at research, I go, I strip away
the onion layers, give me the facts in the center,

(17:15):
because without those facts, I don't know what this story
really is. Like I'm not gonna put this guy in
prison if he was over at seven to eleven when
the murder took.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
Place, do you know what I mean? Like, I need
the facts. I have to know the facts.

Speaker 6 (17:27):
And so I think that's just because being in the
animal field we grew up, you had to know facts
with the animals. You had to know the truth about
these animals. You had to understand them. You know, the
wrong way of raising them or being told by this
guy you could kill your animal, Like you really needed
to know the animal, you know. So in cases when

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I was a really young little girl, I loved researching,
Like I think that was like one of my biggest things.

Speaker 5 (17:54):
I was that Like library nerd. I still have a library.

Speaker 6 (17:57):
Card because they house I don't think it's a bad thing.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
Sorry, I'm vintage whatever.

Speaker 7 (18:04):
I love going to the library.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Say how many times have you tried to pay using
your library cad at the supermarket?

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Yeah? Yep, yeah I've done that.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Yeah, And I'm like I still go to a library.

Speaker 6 (18:19):
Yeah, you're welcome.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
This sits me into all of them though in the
state of Florida.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
Okay, like you're like bragging about it, but I love
it because I like that, and like there's campuses here.
We have the university campuses that will give you access
if you're doing deep research.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
Like I had a couple of cases I was looking
into and needed.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
To go to a couple of the universities and they
were like, yeah, it's fine, you know, like you make
the day you come in and they schedule and then
they'll bring it out and you can see it like
an archive. And that's where I like to go. I
don't want to read a book from somebody who did
their own research, most likely online, which makes me angry
more so nowadays because people do a lot of their
research online and they don't actually go to the place

(18:56):
or ask the local historian to help peace together with
actual art articles and things like that to figure out
what really happened. And that's where I said, So with Mothman,
that's what I did, and I have done on multiple cases,
and Mothman just happened to be.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
That and I was just like I don't know how
the audience is going to take this.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
And I have people that drove in to hear this,
and I know that they have this idea in their
head of what they want to believe Mothman is. And
it's become like a crowd hallucination to where everybody just
assumes now that they've seen it or it is this,
and it's happening still today, and I'm like, it's literally
not Stripper Mothman that's in downtown West Virginia, Like, it's

(19:39):
not him, you know.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
So I was very worried, and.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
That that's why I was super nervous at this one,
because I was presenting something that I really felt the
audience was going to really be mad.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
And Number one fact about Mothman, he is the most
searched cryptid ever and he has been full ye is
We're talking billions of searches every single year just on
Google alone.

Speaker 6 (20:07):
Yeah, yeah, nineteen sixty six and one.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
So what's your before we go into it, because I
really want to know what you delivered, right, I want
to know the facts around the research that you've found,
because seriously, I was just sitting here, sitting on my hands,
going finally, I.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Get to find out it was so bad.

Speaker 7 (20:26):
I'm like, we can talk about it. She goes, I
want to know, man, like.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Seriously, because nobody shared it, right, everyone's gone over well
the talk it was amazing, blah blah blah. Okay, share
some info, man, drop the drop the pennies. But before
we get into that, my question is is what what
are your personal views on Like you talk about how
Mothman's not stripper Mothman in reality, but it's been turned

(20:52):
into this kind of Mothman that just really sexualized and
has has owned you know, is owned by so many
different kind of minority.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Groups or whatever.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
What is your view on cryptids and mythological creatures and
urban legends or whatever that get taken and turned into this.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Kind of part of culture, isn't it's pop culture?

Speaker 9 (21:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Pop culture?

Speaker 9 (21:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Did that annoy you?

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Does that?

Speaker 3 (21:22):
How does that make you feel from a personal perspective,
after you know, you've been in the field for so long,
You've literally been researching these animals, creatures, stories, everything.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
What is your view on that and what are your
thoughts there?

Speaker 6 (21:39):
It's it's a tough it's a tough line back in
the like I'm so old school with these things that
I do get annoyed sometimes because it's tarnishing a field
study that is still practiced today in wildlife biology and
so and and and then the other side of that too,
it's insult to indigenous, it's insulting to natives, it's insulting

(22:03):
to their cultures. It's insulting to what people like to
label as folklore. And like a lot of people don't know,
but it's not a word that I like to use
very often because learning the origin of folklore was more
or less a gentleman who basically was like, oh, these
people are just telling stories, so we're gonna call it
folk and lore because there's no merit to it. They
he didn't follow up to believe it, because if he
didn't see it in a day like what they believed

(22:25):
in or what their culture believed in behind this being,
then it wasn't real. So it was just stories in
their culture, And to me, I feel that's insulting. So, like,
I'm always very cautious about saying folklore unless written on
something or I have to state the word folklore. But
me personally, I feel like it's insulting because sure, there's
always some truth to these legends, whether they're Native American legends,

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whether they're different indigenous across the globe, Like there's so
much truth to them, and a lot of people that
don't understand that. They just jump on the bandwagon of
it and then create it into something that it's not.
And so for me, it's it is frustrating when there's
like pros and cons with it. So if you look
at Mothman, he's become like a pop culture icon, just

(23:10):
like Bigfoot in the cryptic community where it brings people
together and they all want to have this cute little
funko pop Boffman or Bigfoot or whatever, and that's adorable,
but it's also altered the way that we look at
what cryptids are and it's labeled them as monsters and
the things that like Frankenstein, you know, monsters would we
would think about universal type styles and it's like that's

(23:31):
not it at all, Like how did it lump into horror?
So working in the paranormal as an investigator, and then
working as a eufologist studying UFOs and dealing with interdimensional
and and learning about quantum physics and the time and
how it's not linear and like dealing with so much,
even mathematically, and then you come into cryptids. It's like,
how did all of this become? This is not one

(23:55):
like this. A cryptid is not interdimensional. A cryptid is
a just a hidden an animal species on our planet
that hasn't been discovered yet. So every animal you've seen
in a zoo was once labeled and considered in the
wildlife biologists as a cryptid species only known to the
indigenous or local so until formally documented by science right
to monitor it, to study it, to be able to

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protect it. So I like when I see a case
online where like a scientific article will be posted and
we'll say we found a new.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
A cryptic species. If you see it with a C.

Speaker 6 (24:29):
On it in the animal world, that means that it
looks just like the animal, but it's actually like another
animal species within that genus, right, So it's like just
another one off, but it looks just like it. So
it's just a cryptic cryptic species. But again that also
is considered a cryptid species because it was hidden in
secret to us until we did a further evaluation on it.

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And they're still discovering animals all the time.

Speaker 7 (24:50):
Oh that's what I mean.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
These discoveries all the time. You know, every month these
new species or you're saying, these cryptid species are being
found all the time. So all the time, it's just like,
you know, people are like, oh, cryptids are just like Bigfoot,
or they're just like, you know, all this kind of stuff,
and they't even be found, but it's like it's happening
all the time.

Speaker 7 (25:10):
People are not really unaware of it.

Speaker 6 (25:12):
Yeah, they're very unaware. And that's the part I don't like.

Speaker 5 (25:16):
And that's the reason why is because and I hate
to say.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
It, but this generation today is guided so much by
the social media aspects through like online stuff, and so
these are people that really don't know where the history
came from. They don't know the real inner workings, they
don't understand the wildlife side. And so when cryptozoology started,
it started as an extension of zoology. So it was
the study of other animals that we haven't found yet,
because at that time, in the fifties and sixties, we

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were still heavy in exploration and learning and still discovering
large mammals at that time. So you know, it's very
sad for me to see so many of the pioneers
of cryptozoology get lumped into Oh, they were storytellers. They
really didn't care. They were trying to make money. And
it really irks me because these are people that didn't
know anything about it until recently, and then they google

(26:02):
it and they take somebody's opinion online and then they
swear by it, you know. Or you get these people
that are really like non believers per se. And I
don't mean in a negative way, but they don't know
the animal world to be able to come out so
boldly and be like, well, that's like people coming forward
and being like, well, we should kill every crocodile.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
Why.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
You know, they're a keystone animal in the environment. If
that animal goes away, that ecosystem collapses and it affects you.
So you need to understand. Yeah, wolves one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
They've taken wolves out of these ecosystems and the whole
lot of just kind of you know.

Speaker 7 (26:39):
They were on the verge of collapse.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
They reintroduced the wolves, and I know there's there's so
many issues between wolves and farmers and hunters, you know,
but they they are spacies that's needed.

Speaker 7 (26:50):
You know, they needed.

Speaker 6 (26:52):
Yeah, And the thing is when we look at cryptid
animals when it's made fun of where it's made like, oh,
you're just looking for monsters. You're you're not really professionals, Like, no,
we actually are. We just also study the aspect of
the unknown side of zoology, like that is my background,
so it's the other side of zoology I also look
into because I think it'd be amazing to discover in
other animal species that we didn't know existed. I mean,

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we have so many areas still on this planet that
people are just not aware of because they live in
a city and they never leave it. They don't understand
how much forestry has never even seen a human being
in hundreds of years. So the people go, that's ridiculous.
We have satellites, honey, that's from above. You're not gonna
see what's down below. Well, we have heat sensors. Again,

(27:37):
you cannot push bast that that heavy density. And they
don't understand it because they read someone on Reddit who says, oh,
what this new technology, and we can I don't want
to hear that. Like I get so angry and I
sometimes have to put my phone out because I'm like,
ohh social media is pros and cons and it has

(27:57):
ruined an amazing fields. So I love the conferences because
it pulls people together in the space to talk and
it allows you to be like, hey, I understand it's
more of a pop culture thing, but what do you
think of it?

Speaker 5 (28:11):
And I always said, there, I go listen.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
If they're seeing something that we may not have fully documented.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
We need to know what that animal is because we
don't know what character role.

Speaker 6 (28:21):
Or keystone or keystone character role it plays in that environment,
and is it a predator or prey that's going to
also change up the pace of how that ecosystem thrives
and survives and adapts. So if that if let's just
say sasquatch is the leading keystone player in an environment
and he goes away, well what's the next predator? That

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was Really it was keeping that predator in checked, to
keep the deer in check, to keep you know, like
it all trickles down and it gets all the way
down to the river, to the frickin' fish in the
water to everything, like how it all plays as one
big role and you have to keep an open mind.
And we think that you know, birds functional go extinct
and then we'll find and we'll rediscover them in another

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location because their environment collapsed, so they moved elsewhere the.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
Place we never thought to check.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
Yeah, and so the pop culture area, the comic books,
the mockery, the making fun of it's really just taken
something like honestly, they give horror characters more respect.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
Than I mean, look look at the wind are more
real Windigo and skinwalk becers are a prime example. You know,
we did like a piece on this Windo goes don't
have horns, and Aboriginal and in Native America like all
of that kind of the mythology and the stories about them,
they don't have horns. It's all Hollywood made, you know,

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it's yeah, and it's because the horned creature, you know
what I mean, this this monster.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
I was gonna say, there's bumples of that agels where
where these these creatures from Indigenous law? And I agree
with you, Britt, Like you know, Juliet and I we
use the word folklore, but a lot of the time
when we're talking about indigenous cultures, especially like Aboriginal cultures,
we'll use law of the land because that's so to

(30:11):
do by some of our Aboriginal friends. And we were like, yeah, absolutely,
they were like, there is no such thing as folklore.
It is the law of the land, because it's our law,
it's our conversations, it's our stories, it's our our stories.

Speaker 7 (30:22):
This is what we saw, this is what we did.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Absolutely, and yeah, you see that quite often the adjustment
of what use what it used to look like into what.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
It looks like now.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
And you know, Disney doesn't help that in any way,
shape or form, or we have to do it. It
made or look at the movie Moana. All you have
to do is look at the movie Mourana and the
South Pacific. That hits us real hard because we are
from the South Pacific and you know, all of the
all of those stories in the movie Moana, and both
of those movies have been skewed and changed.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
We have to doways.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Look at Marwi as a demigod. He was a right
little ship hit and.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Not told.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
He was really really bad. He was a trouble maker
and not a nice trouble maker.

Speaker 8 (31:13):
He was.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
He was a douche.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
And and you know, I'm sure Alison come on here
one day and talk about Marwi because she really really
wants to, and she she's muldy.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
You know, she's like, oh my god, they'd always hears
so much that's awesome.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
But yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Sentence, and we totally agree with you in your sentiment
around the dilution of the work that we are doing
and that people before us, amazing educated, intelligent, hard working
people have done to be some kind of washed away

(31:51):
because somebody on social media post said oh, yeah, but.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
So oh that's always always a It makes me mad.
It makes me mad because it's so much discredit to so.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
Many true Like there's so many people that I've heard
muddle things about Ivan Sanderson and it's like, I don't
know why I.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Have like this, I really because I think I connected.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
When I was very young, I used to watch the
Johnny Carson with my dad and I remember him being
on there, like with the animals, and so I think
for me there was that automatic connection to this man
and how he spoke.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
It was very logical.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
He processed everything, and I don't like that he's discredited
as not an intelligent human being. And he didn't run
out after every single little email or not email, but
letter that came his way. He was very methodical about
like if there was enough legs he felt in the case,
he'd go investigate. But just a couple of one offs
didn't give him enough merit to say I'm gonna go

(32:51):
and take the time to spend the money out of
my own pocket to go investigate this, Like was he
really thought everything through. And what's interesting is people always
were like, well he believed in the Jersey Devil. Well,
actually that's false, that's not true.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
He didn't.

Speaker 6 (33:03):
He didn't think the Jersey Devil believed in cryptozoology at all.
He saw that as more of a a demonology case.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
And I agreed with him on that.

Speaker 6 (33:11):
And he also belived further down the road when it
kept coming back, that it was more or less a
real estate hoax to sell houses in the area. And
so he did, like he was so methodical how he
broke everything down. But this is a man that, in
his early years of his life, coming straight out of
Scotland and at in Barrow, literally lived under the canopy.
And so many people today under thirty don't even know

(33:31):
what that means. So it is decades of work and
years of field on the ground study, never going anywhere
nice or showering in like a normal shower. We're talking
about like bathing in the rivers with the villagers and
being in the field under a canopy for weeks on
end to get the data, and nobody ever talks about

(33:52):
his discoveries, like the blue pygmy hippos.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
They weren't blue. He discovered it was the algae that
ate into their skin that turned them blue. No one
ever talks about that. He changed a lot of the
way that we saw some of the animals because he
was in the field watching them, observing their behavior and
writing it down and sending it back.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
So again, it wasn't until he started talking to different
locals and they're like, well, we've got this animal that
we see and he's like, well.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
Explain it to me. That's weird. I've never heard it.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
And then he started like going off. The same thing
with Jane Goodall. If you actually get her to talk
about it, she'll be like, you know what, there's something
to it. When you've got all these people.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Talking about it, you can't ignore it anymore, you know.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
And these are people that are field people, but you
talk to lab people, city people, people that don't know
the field.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
It's not real.

Speaker 6 (34:41):
You're just one of those. Okay, I'll just be one
of those then and discover it.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah, I saying that to somebody about the lab work. Oh,
you just sit in a lab and just do that.
Oh you must be one of those.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
Does it?

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Yeah? Oh y, that's I.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Love for it that you say conferences are so great
because they pull people together, and I totally agree. And
we don't get conferences down here. We don't have cryptosology.

Speaker 12 (35:16):
Conferences in New Zealand, or paranormal conferences and let alone
in Australia, very very few, maybe one or two matts
and certainly nothing for cryptozoology or you know.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
Wildlife is it. But they basically end up in a
town hall or there's one big one that gets up
very very small.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
And I think, you know, like the best way to
research is to get in the same room as other
people that have done the research right, because then you
can answer those questions. You can sorry, you can ask
the questions, you can get real time answers, you can
bounce ideas.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Off, you can share your evidence in your research.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
And that's obviously one of the reasons why we start
a Crypto Women's Society, because we've got someone like you
down here, literally sitting here. We're throwing out diamonds left,
right and center, and we're just trying to collect them
all and house them somewhere where they don't get lost,
and other women can come in and join the party
and actually learn from it as well. And so I

(36:12):
love the fact that you're going to conferences and giving
your time and your your expertise and your knowledge and
sharing that with other people so that you can then
you know, increase your knowledge base as well, right, learn from.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
How oh yeah, in time?

Speaker 6 (36:27):
I love going because I always say we're always we're
always in a world of learning. We were kind of
raise that way, like you never know it all. If
you know it all, then what are you doing? Like
I don't like people that, And I don't even use
the word expert for myself because what are we an
expert on. We don't have a physical body. We don't
have a ghost in a jar that we're talking to
every day. We don't have a bigfoot that we're monitoring

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every single day field study with a tracker and we're
watching how it mates, We're watching when it feeds, when
it migrates, how many offsprings, Like we don't do this,
So I'm never and I've been in the field a
very long time, longer than I would like to openly admit.
I will just say it's over professionally.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
Twenty one years.

Speaker 6 (37:08):
And in those twenty one years, I can tell you
I've never laid eyes on a sasquatch and watch it
with its you know, family troop going around and doing
what it does, so I can monitor watch it eat
a deer, so I know exactly how it eats it.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
Like, I'm sorry, I'm not gonna.

Speaker 6 (37:22):
Be fake to you because I want to be somebody
I'm not. I refuse to put on a fake persona.
And that's why people like roast me all the time
on my Instagram, And I'm like, why I make funny
reels because it's me. You're you're following all of me.
I can be professional when I need to be, but
I'm also I'm just fun.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
Like there's a.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
World where you can be both like and if you're
truly a field person, you know that you will go
crazy out there if you're not just laughing and having
fun and picking on each other and doing stupid crap
to each other like it is the field. I'm sorry,
that is the truth of it. You're dirty, you stink,
you like you're just in it and it's funny and

(38:03):
that's just how it is. And so I'm like, I will,
I will never never, never, never ever pretend to be
something I'm not, or say or make up something about
a cryptid that isn't true that I don't know. So
I get a little annoyed when people are like, I
know that sasquatch makes this call and they're calling to
their mate, and then their mate's gonna come back, and
then they're gonna get this food, and then they're gonna

(38:25):
eat this food. Then they're gonna kill this deer, and
then they're gonna put that deer on a table for
either their youth.

Speaker 7 (38:29):
But the young could do it this way.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
And then they go off over here and court this
female and then they'll go away for two months and
then they come back.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Excuse me, where is this data? Do you know what
I'm saying?

Speaker 6 (38:41):
Like, that's you're not an expert. You're a professional. You're
a professional. You're an expert if you're a like to me,
Maria Mayer, she's an expert primatologist. It's not an expert
in bigfoot because there isn't one to study yet. And
I think she'd back me on that. But in primatology.
She's looking at the data from being an expert primatologist

(39:01):
to say, okay, I'm looking at anatomy here, if this
is a legit footprint, it kind of matches what would
be X y Z to me. That's an expert, right,
Professor Jeff Meldrum another expert who compares field science from
known species to a plausible unknown species that we're looking for.
Again understandably so, but neither one of those are going

(39:22):
to come out and be like, we know sesquatch eats
apples during the summer and pumpkin pie in the fall.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
Oh crap, I'm.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Not we applord you well, John.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
I can't stand it and tell me all the time.
I'm like, I'm sorry, this is who I am. I
am real, unfiltered and raw, I'm a w and Dylan hurts.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
I'm sorry, And this is why we love you, honestly, we.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Just love You're just straight down the line.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Maybe you could have been in your former life, Oh
what you could have been a key we in your
formal life we have straight down the line as well.
So I feel like we're dragging you, dragging.

Speaker 7 (40:04):
There we go.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
I'm good with that.

Speaker 6 (40:06):
I'll be a Kiwi, those little funky little guys.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
I love them delicious hate It's just a little buggers too.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
For those of you who don't know, kiwis are not
us and cuddly. They are vicious. They make terrible noises
and they will chase you if.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
You annoy them, and they'll scream at you like a
dying little It's horrible.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
You just stand here going, yeah. I literally the other day,
my my grandkids were going, what do kiwis sound like?
I was like, there's a nice night time call. I said,
that's a nice one. Here's the other one, and this

(40:56):
kiwi just runs and then.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Just raws, and they both like, oh my.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
God, it'sreendous.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
Could you imagine being a little bit intoxicated of your house,
looking at the stars and then hearing that, Yeah, it's
it's pretty dr I.

Speaker 6 (41:11):
Mean possible if you're any imagine if you're like moving
from the States, right and you've heard legends of like
the Yawe and you're out there and you're like, I
heard it last night.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
You're like, no, you were Tikiwi?

Speaker 4 (41:24):
You hear a bobcat? Yeah, like I know what.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Koalas, Hey, Koalas have the scariest raw as well.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
And they sound terrible, yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
Now, but they're cute and cuddly.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
They are, I'll drop.

Speaker 6 (41:42):
That's a different that's a different kind of creepy cryptid.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
You know what about your possums over there? Have they
got horrible screeches as well? Nos our ones do look
up possums. You see it on possums and the noise
that they make.

Speaker 6 (41:55):
I mean, they make funky sounds, but most of ours
here in Florida, they see you, they dropped dead, they hear,
but they'll they literally pretend to be dead right away,
like right away.

Speaker 7 (42:05):
Like they're just like give him a cuddle.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
They literally just lay there and they make horrible sounds.

Speaker 6 (42:11):
Actually, they make the best frickin' pets though, and they
only live for like four years, four or five years,
so you want to give him like the best life
ever and you can raise them, like we've raised so
many from babies and we've had a lot of rescues
and things like that. I mean, people get freaked out.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
So like that's the tail. Look at the tail. It's
like a giant rat and it's like, I know, but
they're like the best pets and they.

Speaker 6 (42:31):
Really are they're loving, they like they truly are like
the best pets. And I'm always like, if you can
save one and give the little guy like the best
four years of his life before he dies, can you
please do I Actually I had one that died in
my backyard, so I fossilized him, and I taught the
kids how to take the body apart and save the bones,

(42:52):
and we did a whole like field study on them,
and I showed him the hair, so I fossilized all
of his little skulls, his little teeth.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
So cool.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
We like to shoot possums in New Zealand, tell me
that we.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
Do, and we turn them into the gloves and sometimes
nipple warmers, just very very nipple woman.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
No, I got to send you a pier brett.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
I saw oar to God if they come with the veil.

Speaker 6 (43:28):
And show it to my husband and be like, this
is for the winter, honey, this is what they do
in New Zealand.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
These are nipple warmers. And I'm trying to blend in. Okay,
this is getting me ready for me.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
It's an option for the boys also, just to keep warm.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
Please please, please please please send this to me. I
have got to be like this is what my friend
sent me. Honey.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
It's so funny cause like in New Zealand, like god,
you know, people run them over all the time and
it's horrible. There's just did possums everywhere. You know, we
were all brought up hunting possums. You know, they carry
TV and you know there's all these major issues with them.
Here in Australia, they're protected exactly the same looking possums
and they're protected and I see them, I'm like, but

(44:20):
they're like, oh, it's so cud it's a possum. I'm like,
oh no, yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
And every New Zealander that moves to Australia or goes
on a holiday stands there going, oh shoot that bugger,
that bugger, and they're all like, you're in the park
and these possums around.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
People are like feeding them and stuff, and you can
tell all the key is because they're just in there
going oh okay. And they started they literally started making
possum pie and stuff, and you've got you have wild
fears and New Zealand they basically will get really you know,

(44:55):
do like hitchhog pie, you know, just like really random stuff.
This way, the amount of possums that we opened up
that had TB and well, and I'm just like, I
would never touch it.

Speaker 7 (45:09):
I couldn't do it, you know.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
It's just like, yeah, you don't eat that, you just
skin them and then use them as nipple warmers.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Hey, can we please get back on track because there
is still something.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
I want to know, But gosh, done it? You two.
This is what happens, right, very squirrels.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
You can't complain Barbieri, Miss Barbieri, you, missus Barbieri.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Is that your name?

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Did you steal your husband's name or is that your name?

Speaker 5 (45:42):
I did, No, I stole my husband's.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
Em what's your what's your real person name?

Speaker 7 (45:47):
Lily, Brittany Lily mm hmm like a flower.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Barbieri as well.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
It's very bubbly now, Brittney Barbieri.

Speaker 13 (45:59):
Yeah, if you're English, Brittany Barbieri Barbieri Darling, I think
we'll just call you that, right, Miss Brittany Barbieri.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
What are What I want to know is.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
When you went to your conference?

Speaker 4 (46:22):
I want to know what.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
We need to know about Moffman. Where have we gone wrong?

Speaker 3 (46:30):
What don't we know that we need to know to
change the narratives.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Oh God, but baby, is he a living creature?

Speaker 7 (46:41):
Is he demonic? Is he.

Speaker 5 (46:44):
He's not demonic?

Speaker 6 (46:46):
This is my personal opinion, so let me let me
see that first.

Speaker 5 (46:51):
It's not biased.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
It's based off facts from archives, actual new the police report,
the the newspaper journalists that went out and spoke to
the two couples, did follow ups with other sightings to
figure out what the heck people were seeing in the area.
So the largest takeaways from this is that and I

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used to sit there and think for the longest time,
why in God's name would the Wildlife Station come out
and say it was probably a sandhill crane?

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Right?

Speaker 5 (47:27):
Like, so if you look at what Mothman is.

Speaker 6 (47:29):
Today, he's this flying humanoid arms, red glowing eyes, demonic
looking thing versus a sandhill crane.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
I was like, what am I missing here?

Speaker 6 (47:41):
So that was the part that really started my journey
into Mothman, because I love both Mothman.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
I love the cryptid Mothman, but I also really love the.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
Pop culture Mothman because the pop culture Mothman brought so
many new generations into loving cryptozoology.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
So I have a love for the pop.

Speaker 6 (47:59):
Culture Mothman, but not in the same respectful way as
the origin Mothman. So the key takeaways that I had
uncovered through archives and newspapers and professional journalists that were
writing things down from speaking to the original first two
couples was that the Scarberries and the Marlettes all confirmed

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that it was a large bird.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
They all said it was a bird species.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
It had a ten foot wings span, And when Missus
Scarberry was trying to describe it to the police officer,
she was like, had really long legs, kind of like
a human with wings, Like she was trying to give
an idea in his head creatively to see the size
of what this thing was. The largest takeaway only one newspaper,

(48:48):
and it's in so when I send you guys my presentation,
it's in my presentation.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
It's the largest takeaway that was.

Speaker 6 (48:55):
Only documented by one newspaper, one very small little piece
of article this big. From an interview with them the
very next day after they went to the police department
the night before, the Scarberries confirmed that they didn't even
call it mothman. They said the large flying creature, the

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large bird that they saw with a ten foot wingspan
was white and gray. Never said black, never gave anything
like that, never dodged, never attacked the car. In some
statements that were made further down the road into the
sixties or not, sixties, seventies.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
And eighties didn't do that.

Speaker 6 (49:36):
They their report was very clear. It was keeping up
with what they said was the speed of the car.
It came in front of the lights. They could see
the size of the bird at that time. Now again,
if they're saying the bird is white and gray, if
it hits the lights of the car, it's going to
intensify the size just as much as if I'm scuba
diving things through my goggles are in the ocean, and

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in the ocean are amplified in size. The moment you
take that beast up, a twenty foot fish is really
like fifteen. You're like, I could have sworn it was
twenty like no so, and in animals and perspective, you
also have to consider fear. So they've never seen something
like this before. You now have four young couples in
a car that are in a very dark road that

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are freaking out and seeing something in the height of
UFOs and little green men.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Right.

Speaker 6 (50:25):
Because we also had the which people forget, we had
the Flatwood Monster, in West Virginia just the year before,
like or actually not even the year before, earlier that
year in April, I want to say, so it was
like they had something already that was scary that happened
in their state, that everybody knew about and heard about it.
So now they're seeing something flying in front of their
car with like a ten foot wingspan, which most likely
had more of like a seven six seven foot wingspan,

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but it looked large. When they stopped their car, turned around,
they put their lights on it. Thing was standing in
the middle of the road, and then it took off. Okay,
fair enough, but they said it was gray and white.
So now it made sense as to why the wildlife
station said it was probably a sand hill crane. However,
at that time, sandhill cranes were not common, nor were
whooping cranes any type of species, because they had been

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shot and killed and where numbers were extremely down. Well,
in the same month of the incident of mothman, they
also had published in the newspaper that was local two
point pleasant in other areas in the time, with a
bold statement, please don't shoot the birds, don't kill the eagles.

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So I was like, what is this about because these
things matter to me. You have to look at the
wildlife side when you have a sighting like this. And
so again these sightings happened by eight people in the
span of a week, and then we didn't have any
other sightings, just so everybody knows, like that's actually the
clarity with only one week, one week, one week span,

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and people drove to the wildlife station where where the
World War two kind of the remainder ruins to see
Mothman the TNT plant. They all flooded to the point
to where it's it's a tiny two way road like
country road that the police department, the fight department all
had to go out and redirect traffic to tell people

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you have to go there's nothing here, you need to leave.
So really they needed to calm the public and their
town down because it was really getting into a craze.
So the wildlife department stepped in, the zoological people stepped in.
They were really trying to talk to the eyewitnesses that
had this account. But prior to the Scarberry's having this account,
there was a gentleman on a farm several hours earlier

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who had seen this type of same animal in his field.
His dog had ran after it, and his dog never
came back. His dog's name was Bannit never came back.
It was a German shepherd, I want to say, and
that's also in my presentation. And what was interesting is
that mister Scarberry, when asked did you see anything else
in the road, he mentioned seeing a dead dog. So

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I had to then swip my switch the way I
looked at the and looked into wildlife trade and figure
out what was going on at the time, Because a
hearty eagle would easily try and carry off a dog,
or not necessarily be able to, but if it was
also a golden eagle, it absolutely could. A golden eagle
could pick that puppy up, no big problem, and it
would try and kill it. So now I'm looking in

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my head, but I'm going to keep saying gray and white.
So I went back to this article, don't shoot the birds,
don't shoot the eagles. Well, guess what, the wildlife decided
that they were going to start and this is normal
conservation efforts in the area to bring back whooping cranes
and sandhill cranes to the area, and they had re

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released them right there by the bridge, which is right
near the side of the tnt all in the same area,
and they had warned people, please don't shoot the whooping
cranes because we're trying to bring their numbers back up
in this area where they once lived, all in the
same time, So the Scarberry the Marlettes never would have
seen what a whooping crane is.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
In a whooping crane is this large white bird, massive.

Speaker 6 (54:01):
Wingspan, stands like a human and if it eyeballs you
straight down, you wouldn't really even pay attention to a neck,
except there were other reports of mothman having a long neck,
so again we're talking about a really large bird of prey.
So on top of that, it never said the eyes
were glowing. All eight accounts of the people that claim

(54:23):
to have seen this bird of prey whatever it was,
said the eyes reflected red. So if you're a field
person and you've got a light on an eyeball, you
know exactly what happens. It reflects in different colors, and
it was reflecting red, right, And so the Wildlife File
is just saying it could have been reflecting from the
red around the eyes if it's a sandhill crane, or
could have just been a bird and the bird looked

(54:43):
at the light, it's gonna look red. These are all
plausible explanations. So in my head, I'm going, okay, So
now I'm getting pieces that are making sense as to
why these accounts were accumulated over the years as to
being a sand hill crane or a type of bird
of prey like that. However, the illegal animal trade in

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West Virginia Virginia, Tennessee were out of control at that time,
so the Wildlife Refuge station would have been a spot
to handle hold animals at that time in transportation. So
if an animal that they were in transportation had gotten out,
they don't want the public to grow too much attention
to it. To scare the public about these types of
animals or exotic animals being held by people that shouldn't

(55:26):
have them. They're going to try and capture this animal
under the radar. Or there was a local who had
an illegal animal and it got out and basically said
I didn't own it because there would be a hefty find.
It was not regulated like it is now from the
eighties on, it really was heavily regulated because it got.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
Out of control.

Speaker 6 (55:45):
So again I had all that piled up on the
Mothman case. And then people were like, well, everybody saw
him on the bridge before it collapsed. False, did not happen,
did not happen. The account that happened on the bridge
didn't even happen at the time the bridge collapsed, and
that those two individuals said they saw it and it
flew off again.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
It was a bird with a beak.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
Reflecting red eyes and a large wingspan, and it was
at night and it was dark, so they couldn't get
a really good view of it. The bridge collapsed a
year later in December on Britain a year later. Didn't
happen the same year, happened a year later. And what
actually ended up happening. My dad's a construction guy, contractor,

(56:29):
you know, he used to work in all of that
before he moved to IBM, and I asked him, I said, Dad,
they're talking about a fracture in an eyebar and he's like, oh,
that's it.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
The bridge is done. So it was a suspension bridge.

Speaker 6 (56:42):
And that one eyebar had a small fracture in it,
and at rush hour you had a ton of cars
at five o'clock every day putting pressure and pressure on
that joint. Well, Unfortunately, in December at rush hour at
five o'clock, that joint couldn't take it anymore and it snapped,
causing a rick ripple effect through that suspension bridge and

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it collapsed, killing forty four people.

Speaker 5 (57:05):
Had nothing to do with.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
This so called Mothman. It was a manufacturing issue that
actually raised such a concern that the president of the
time decided to put in a law immediately following this
incident that there would be proper checks on all bridges
and suspension bridges would be on holding until they could
figure out a better way to resolve the issue of
these eyebars situations, because there's a manufacturing issue, and how

(57:29):
do you monitor that unless they're being properly inspected every
so many months. So he put that in in honor
of that tragedy because it connected Ohio and all of this.
That and the other and so many lives were taken.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
Had nothing to do with Mothman. The superstition grew in town.
That was that ominous creature we all saw a year ago.
Anything to do with this.

Speaker 6 (57:53):
Because here's the other part that people don't know about.
If you read the books on Mothman or other people
that claim to have gone there, they say, Maman was
talked about for a year. No, according to the local
police department, they had one hundred reports in a year
and only about twenty of them were legitimate. And they
said it was more or less like, hey, we think

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we saw that big flying bird again.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
Okay, where did you see it? Heading this way to
this way? That's it.

Speaker 6 (58:19):
It wasn't like, oh, Bobby got abducted last night. We're
really like the idea of it being interdimensional or alien
not talked about. That didn't happen until seventy five with
John Keel. That's it, like nothing, And there were newspaper
articles December of sixty six, newspaper articles were published. As

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soon as Mothman was seen, he vanished again. No one's
talking about it. No one knows where this animal went
gone done. And it was published from West Virginia all
the way to California, the same statement. And I looked
at every single newspaper from here all the way from
the twenty first to November to December seventh of nineteen
sixty six, Mothman was not talked about. And Mothman the

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name came from a journalist who worked in West Virginia,
at the time who was fascinated by Batman the comic
book and at the time there was a comic book
villain named Killer Moth. And so when this case came out,
he decided as a journalist to make it contemporary and
get the interest of the people, and he labeled it
moth Comma Man like put a parenz and it was

(59:23):
like Mothman was he seen?

Speaker 5 (59:25):
What is it? What is this creature people speak about?

Speaker 6 (59:28):
But he named it after basically the Killer Moth in
Batman because Batman the series was big at that time.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
The comic books were big at the.

Speaker 6 (59:35):
Time, so he was turning it into a readable content
in the news paper for people to be like, oh,
it was Mothman seen again, Like didn't even nobody called
it that.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
It was a large birth views on the sightings that
they had in Chicago a couple of years back then,
the so called Mothman's sightings.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
I follow the line of Ivan.

Speaker 6 (01:00:00):
So that's the other thing is that during the time
this was all happening, Ivan was tracking thunderbird sidings from
the Carolinas to basically New York. And if you follow
his path and the actual migration path, the Mothman sighting
happened maybe like I would say, one hundred one hundred
miles from a very prominent hotspot for thunderbird sidings, and

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we're talking about a bird with a fifteen foot wingspan
being seen constantly. So Ivan, when Mothman came out and
the sightings were reported and sent to him, he immediately
labeled it. And when I saw his archive and I
pulled his thing out, he did not. He actually in
one of his things put like a circle with like
a question mark around like Mothman. But it was all
in the archive of thunderbird, and he labeled it as

(01:00:45):
a possible bird of prey in the thunderbird sightings.

Speaker 5 (01:00:49):
So he so he had two colleagues.

Speaker 6 (01:00:52):
So there was like a famous picture really quick, so
that we can come back to this why this was
so prominent. There was a famous picture from the early
nineteen hundreds of an alleged terodactyl that was shot stuck
to a barn right well, Evan Sanderson was known to
have the original photograph of that. He had two colleagues
that came to work for him in the mid early
sixties that he took on at the farm and were

(01:01:12):
like teaching him about the shop and we're going to
be building the pursuit and I need you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
So one day he gets a call from a.

Speaker 6 (01:01:18):
Colleague friend of his in Pennsylvania and he said, Hey,
I've got two guys out here that are going around
with the current thunderbird sightings and they're showing a photograph
of something from like Cowboy era to all these people
and they're asking if this is what they've seen. And
Ivan was like, they stole my photograph because he had

(01:01:40):
been looking for it and didn't know it had gone
missing until he wanted to show it to another colleague
that had come by couldn't find it, so he's.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
Like, I must have misplaced it. I don't know what
happened to it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
Then he got this call a couple months later from
a friend of his in Pennsylvania and he was like,
I thought they were.

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
My friends, but they didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:01:55):
They just stole some stuff from him and ended up
by guests going up and were using it to be like, hey,
have you seen this creature and kind of doing their
own investigation without his knowledge, and he found out about
it that way and was like, so that's where my
photo went. And then it went missing after that because
he didn't, so he ended up making a sketch of
what he remembered the photo being, and that sketch was
forever permanent in his archive.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
Like that's all. He was like, here's the story, here's
what I know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Mind blown.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
I didn't know that that was a real photo because
you see those I know exactly what you're talking about,
and in front of a shit with it, like kind
of stepped to the wall, right.

Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
Every picture you see online is not real. Those are
all replicated, duplicated concept designs. Ivan actually did the field
work with certain indigenous out west and had gotten the
original copy of the photograph to keep in his archive
from his work because of his reputation in the field
of being so close to the indigenous with his work

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in the Congo, he really had a trust with these
people and they they really trusted him to take this
stuff and keep it in his archive, and for him
that was a big deal, and he held onto these
things so when it went missing, it was like, no,
this was gifted to me, like I can't this was
a big, big piece of history that was trying to
be covered up at the time, and I.

Speaker 5 (01:03:09):
Had a photograph of it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:10):
So again, he really took flying cryptids. And when I
say like cryptids in a sense, it wasn't interdimensional. John
Keel came about and was friends with Ivan and actually
had shared multiple letters with Ivan, multiple phone calls with
Ivan about the incident with the Mofman years later to
write his book.

Speaker 5 (01:03:31):
But John Keel was a.

Speaker 6 (01:03:32):
Heavy UFO guy, conspiracy guy, believed in aliens, right, and
so he already had a narrative in his head before
going right. And so yes, if I go to any
state with a cryptid sighting, I could lump any cryptid
into a paranormal supernatural UFO account because of these things

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that happened around the same time or some weird accounts, right.
And so again, he was a writer that really did
like to be a storyteller.

Speaker 5 (01:04:05):
And people don't like to hear that, but John Keel
was known as a storyteller. He wrote for the I
think it was what was.

Speaker 6 (01:04:11):
The He wrote for several different people, including Playboy, Like
he wrote for so many people, so he knew how
to fluff and get people involved. And if you ever
read the Mothman prophecies, you're not reading someone's field work
journal like you're going through his journal like Ivan wrote,
you were reading a story unfolding like a movie.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
And that's why it did so well.

Speaker 6 (01:04:32):
In two thousand and three, when the movie came out
with Richard Gear again spiked a new interest, but it
brought Mothman, it took away. He incorporated men in black,
he incorporated UFOs, he incorporated interdimensional beings. He also introduced
the idea of ultra dimensional beings or ultra terrestrial beings,
which means these creatures or these beings are from our earth.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
They live on this Earth, but they're in.

Speaker 6 (01:04:59):
A different time. I'm on this Earth a different a
different dimension on this Earth's but they are of this Earth,
and that's why we see them. So that also has
been used with Bigfoot and other cryptids to.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
Explain why we don't see them.

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
But if you actually just understand animals, that's why you
don't see them. Like they know how to hide from you,
like it's really simple, like you don't have to make
it crazy, like they're super natural.

Speaker 5 (01:05:20):
They just know how to hide.

Speaker 6 (01:05:21):
And so it's just interesting how one man's book changed
the history of Mothman forever. And then the book was
of scientology. Right, Scientology was a story, right, exactly exactly.
So it's like, you see this unfold and Mothman and
I'm like, oh my god. And then it was the

(01:05:42):
movie came out new craze for Mothman because they brought
in what everybody loves, aliens and supernatural twists and black
men in black yelling at families.

Speaker 7 (01:05:52):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
And then a year later you have the statue that
erects and you know, freaking West Virginia and it's bringing
everybody together and I love it, but I don't love
it like I When I went to Westorgia, people like,
why didn't you get your picture with moth Man. I'm like, listen,
I get that he's like a main player, and I
encourage everyone to go get a picture with him because

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he's iconic.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
But for me, I enjoyed the museum. The museum walking
through it was great. They do a great job of
giving you the facts.

Speaker 6 (01:06:24):
From the moment it happened through all the way through
what people wrote about it, said about it, changed about it,
how it looked, what it didn't look like. So I
give them props on that they did a phenomenal job
in the museum.

Speaker 5 (01:06:34):
I tell everybody to hit if you.

Speaker 6 (01:06:35):
Want that legendary funny photo, go get it with the statue.
For me, I couldn't do it because I something about
me that a lot of people don't know is I'm
I'm always on the side of my eyewitness unless I
know you're a fake and you just want five minutes
of time. But the real people that get scared and
they're heavily affected. The two couples that were heavily affected

(01:06:58):
that night, their world for probably a good twenty four
to forty eight hours had altered, that was shifted. They
were questioning everything what they saw. They were scared, don't
want to drive at night.

Speaker 5 (01:07:10):
I don't even know what I saw, Like did we
really see what we saw? Yet we all saw like.

Speaker 6 (01:07:14):
A lot changed for them that night, And how did
we honor them by putting up a stripper mothman? So
that's where I get really torn, because we had individuals
whose life changed that night right and to me it
feels insulting like if we created something replicated based off
of what missus Scarberry had said she saw dived, be

(01:07:36):
down for it. But you created something off of a
narrative that somebody wrote about, not what the.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
Actual sighting means.

Speaker 7 (01:07:44):
La yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:07:45):
Yeah, so like when you see sasquatch Bigfoot, he is
replicated exactly how the natives have talked about him. The
indigenous have talked about what it looks like. It's never
depicted differently. I mean in some cartoons and stuff, yes,
but not necessarily the way that it's just it's just
not depicted the same. And so for me, I'm very
touchy about moth mat because I feel like it was

(01:08:06):
an insult to the people those eight people that had
a very terrible sighting, like the man that lost his dog.
We had the Grave diggers the night before that saw
it before anybody saw it fly over the graveyard, So
it's like they were all really scared at a time
that they were kind of hearing about really scary crap

(01:08:28):
in the news, like flying saucers and the aliens might
be real. We also had the Hopkinsville case a year
before that in Kentucky that's not far from Ohio, so
it's like.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
These stories would have transferred.

Speaker 6 (01:08:39):
There was also the eighty six mile Ufo chase that
crossed the border into two states, which was in Ohio.
So and this was just months before too, so it's
like they knew what was going on, and these things
were scary your reality. You know, you knew about Blue Book,
you knew that these things were going on, and you're
trying to live your nice little life in.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
The sixties, the changing, yeah, exchanging, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
And then you see something that just is not part
of your reality at all.

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
Yeah, right, alter.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
It's a nice little recipe for hysteria.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Right, And we talk about hysteria or we hear about
hysteria often, and a lot of the time the government
is the first to kind of put that onto anything,
any sort of situation that we know it's not hysteria, right,
there is other thing that's going on, and they slap
it on top and they go, oh, you were all
just you know, mass delusional. You're just seeing the same

(01:09:31):
thing and just you know, it wasn't real and you
just all saw.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
The same vision.

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
But there are these times where that hysteria is literally
brewed up perfectly into this little recipe of hysteria, you know,
from the media and from every I mean we see
it here now with social media more so.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
But through that UFO flap through the sixties.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Man, that that would have just been absolutely insane and
going to the moon and all this other sort of
stuff going on, and this huge ultimate change in.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
The reality that people.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
Were living in. I could totally see.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
That happening and tuning into a big, a major, major issue.

Speaker 4 (01:10:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:10:14):
Well, and that's why these that's why these cases are
still the leading cases in cryptozoology, because when they first happened,
it was during the time where people were really trying
to figure out what were people seeing? Are we looking
at something? Like there was a wildlife ballogist that was
documented in a newspaper article that drove there to see it.
He saw it and turned to the cop and he goes, oh,
I just saw the mathmn that you all are talking about.

(01:10:35):
It flew that way. It looks like a type of crane.
And the police officer looked it wasn't there, and he
called him drunk and he told him to go home.

Speaker 5 (01:10:42):
So the wildlife ballangier.

Speaker 6 (01:10:43):
Wrote about it and told the local newspaper what he
had seen, and you know, he's like, these people aren't crazy.
I just think there's an animal here that doesn't belong.
So like, again, we had.

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
A really cool case. We had a really amazing sighting.
I'm a very big believer in.

Speaker 6 (01:10:58):
MATHMN just not the Mothman that we see today. I'm
a Mothman believer in whatever animal or cryptid, unknown species
it was at that time in an area it didn't belong.
So anything that's a bird of prey or a raptor
species like that, they follow storms, they follow migration patterns,

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and if they get off, they get off and they're lost.
So happens a lot, and there's things like that that
we have to consider when these these sightings happen.

Speaker 5 (01:11:27):
And so again it's it was a really.

Speaker 6 (01:11:30):
Hard lecture to present everything, but I kept it fun,
I kept it lighthearted. I did not give a conclusion
on where I stood. I wanted them to have the
facts and make their own conclusion, because I don't think
I should tell you what to believe.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
It's like, yeah, and it's like what you're saying, you know,
and you know, it was saying Mothman is the number
one cryptid. He has brought so many people into cryptozoology
and children and stuff, and this whole town is you know,
it's all evolves around Mothman and the tourism and all

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that kind of stuff, and you know there is that
fear of like you don't want people to get angry
at you because you don't want to take that away
from them, but you also you kind of want them
to have those facts, and it has it's kind of
exploded into what he is seen as today, and you know,
and we don't want to lose that because he is
such a cool kind of part of cryptozoology, and you know,

(01:12:30):
the mythology wants so much mythology, but you know, bringing
in that kind of really cool side of it and
that fun side of it, you know, and you know,
everywhere you go, even here, like you know, you go
to like the expos here, and you know, there's all
this Mothman stuff popping up all over the place now
whereas five years ago wouldn't never have seen any of it,

(01:12:52):
but now there's a lot of Mothman stuff and bookmarks
and books and you know, all that kind of.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Opposite of what a total opposite of what the story
say that he actually was at all, he's taken on
a whole.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
New, whole new image. Yeah, a whole new image.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
My question to you, then, Britt, is I know I
lost Monster Files. You guys did an episode on Thunderbird.
I did, yes, publicly, that was part of what ivan
Sanderson had researched. So what are your views on Mofman
the original Moffman encounters. Are you leaning towards that could
have been a thunderbird or are you leaning towards it

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was potentially something else, a crane.

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
Or a bird a prey here or something else. I
know you well, I don't want to give my give
your opinion. No I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:13:42):
I don't care because I'm always very honest with people
about like where I sat. But it's no judgment to
anybody else's you know where they sit with it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:48):
It's what I've fed.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
On your research and what you've understood.

Speaker 6 (01:13:51):
Right, yeah, yeah, in my background, So you have to
look at it from all different perspectives. And I think
because of being a believer or whatever, you you also
want to apply a little You can't help but add
a little of your bias opinion in there, even though
you try not to write. So I was always like, listen,
this is just my opinion. If you're asking my personal
opinion without me like telling you what to believe. For

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me personally, I do think it was a type of
bird of prey that either was part of an illegal
trade that got out and the man or person who
had it just wiped clean of it and were like,
let him capture it, and I'm not gonna come out
and say I had it, or it was a type
of thunderbird, a type of species of raptor that they
had been tracking, they had been seen, because in Pennsylvania

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alone we had white thunderbird sightings.

Speaker 5 (01:14:37):
So I'm not going to say it's not possible or plausible,
because I do. I do believe it.

Speaker 6 (01:14:43):
Anytime you have a large bird of prey sighting and
unfortunately will be lumped into some type of thunderbird. The
mothman was its own that ended up having sightings in
Russia that they were saying, I think we saw mothman,
so it you know, it stuck for a little while
instead of looking at it like because I think they
were so protective of saying, well, if we say thunderbird,
then we're representing a native culture of it, and that

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that really wasn't what it was at all. Thunderbird was
just based off of a part of the culture why
they called it that, But they would say it was
a large bird of prey, like we knew when it
was coming, we knew it would bring rain, we knew
that you know, and of course if you understand birds,
you're like, well, that makes sense they would fly in
front of the storms, like of course.

Speaker 5 (01:15:22):
So yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:15:23):
So it's like there's so much truth to it that
most people don't think about. So for me, I just
think that we were possibly looking at either a known
species that had gotten loose that was part of an
illegal trade, like a hearty eagle.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
If anybody looks that up, I encourage you to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:15:36):
If you saw that thing standing in the middle of
the road, you would think you were looking at a person.
And then in a mythology, they were known as the
woman with the face. It was like a bird with
a woman's face or a woman with the body of
a bird, and that was like the mythology of how
they were our woman.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
I recon like a lot of the owl women from
so yes stories, because they would come and eat the children.
They would take children. Yes, the big things would just
kind of you know, the sign that would stand there,
and I mean that was the huge yes.

Speaker 6 (01:16:09):
Yep, I mean, and we have our largest owl that's
more towards you know, the greater colder parts and through
the Yukon and Upper Canada.

Speaker 5 (01:16:18):
But again, illegal trade. That's a freaking big owl to
fly around that people aren't going to be used to.
I think that's the gray owl.

Speaker 6 (01:16:26):
But anyway, so it's like I firmly believe it was
either an illegal trade. Again, would freak the crap out
of you if you saw an animal you're not used
to seeing it. And it's not like animals were taught
very heavily in school, so you didn't really know different
species from different countries at that time unless you were
studying it in school to be a wildlife biologist. And
then you also have to look at the possibility that
it could have been an unknown species that did my

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You know that we just weren't properly documented the time.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
It might be documented now, but it wasn't at that time.

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
So that's where I sit with it. I believe it
was one hundred percent real. Those eight individuals, the individual
groups that did have those settings, one hundred percent were
trilling the truth wanted answers because all of their accounts
matched to the color, to the size, to the reaction.
So even like if you look at the statue, the
statue has a beak, and everybody's like, well, why does
the moth have a beak. That's because the original report
said it had a beak, so they were very much

(01:17:17):
saying it was a bird. We saw a very large
bird creature whatever it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:21):
Was, like, that's what they were trying to say.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
Honestly. I was here in Australia maybe a year and
we'd had a kangaroo that had died in the paddic
next to us, like we were in a house, like
all paddocks and stuff behind its big giant kangaroo died
and you know, so we're like, okay, we got came
home one day, looked out the window and there was
a widgetowled eagle sitting on our fence.

Speaker 7 (01:17:46):
And I'm like, what the.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
Like, we freaked out.

Speaker 7 (01:17:51):
This thing was huge.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
And we're like the kids didn't ever clean outside ever again?
You know this it's a monster. And you know, because
we don't get the eagles in New Zealand, I think
maybe native no.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
It's or hawks. We had hawks and falcons, but yeah, they're.

Speaker 7 (01:18:11):
All really small.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
So to see this wedge towel egle and I've probably
seen three since I've been in Australia, but the one
that was on our fence was like this the size
of a two year old kid. This the massive, massive
and you know they're no one here is to have
a really really bad reputation, and they will attack hand
gliders and people parachuting, and you know, to worry about,

(01:18:38):
to worry about. Yeah, you know, I'm in the suburbs.
You know, we're in the suburbs here, and this this
thing had basically come in and decide to eat this kangaroo.
And yeah, I mean, you know it was such a
shock for me. And I mean we're in daylight, we
can see this thing, we know what it is. But
imagine if I went out there at night time and
saw that thing, I would just like changed.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
So yeah, in write your perception of reality.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
And we were talking about this the other day because
we did an interview with doctor Tamara from the aerospace
industry and she's she's work with like the likes of NASA,
with Lockheed Martin everything.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
She's been in the industry for thirty plus years.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
And she was.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
Talking about how we can't actually truly believe our eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
And that's the worst possible thought, right, that we can't
honestly look at something and believe what we're seeing because
our iPhone takes better video than what we'll ever see.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
It captures more than what we'll ever see, simply for
the fact that we have such a slow clip rate
like blink rate than what the iPhone does, or you know,
that sort of stuff, and we are seeing a very
very small number of you know, ROYGBIV colors, spectrum and
that sort of stuff, And so it changes your real

(01:20:00):
massively when you see something in the sky that shouldn't
be there, like the rainbow UFO that I saw over
the Fear a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
Right like this giant our bleoman.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
Giant things standing on my fence, which is the size
of my child. It must be some sort of spiritual entity,
right like, your whole whole perception on the world changes dramatically.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
Actually, when you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
Haven't had UFO encounters before, you haven't had spiritual encounters,
you haven't seen apparitions, or you haven't been that's a
huge game changer when you're not quite open enough to
deal with those sort of kind of fringe things happening.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
So many experiments have been done on this, haven't I
You've got twenty people in a room and something happens
in front of them, each one of them will tell
you something completely different, different color, different size, different voice,
different you know, it's like everybody he sees it differently,

(01:21:03):
even though that same thing happened, you know, and there's
been so many experiments done with us, hasn't it.

Speaker 7 (01:21:08):
It's just like what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
They'll be like, oh, this happened, this happened, but it
actually happened this way, but this person's gone backwards, this
person started in the middle, this person went this way
that way that you know, it's you know, and the
more you kind of look into that, you're like, I
find that side of stuff really really interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:21:24):
You know. It's just so.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
Even like your eyewitness accounts, you know that that same
thing could happen, but you're going to get a different
perspective on it from you know, I think that's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
So crazy that you're saying for every single eyewitness was saying,
it's the same color. There's those similarities, the same response,
all of those takeaway similarities between all of those eyewitness accounts.
And that's how you know they're credible, right, because you
can up that the validity between those those I guess
the markers within each eyewitness report.

Speaker 6 (01:21:58):
Yeah, And I mean was like newspaper articles, So there
was mass hysteria. So people are like, I think I
saw too, Yeah, ten foot wingspan, so you kind of
like just a madically you know, play into that factor.
But when you're interviewing somebody again who has seen it,
it's the way that they react, it's the way that
they tell the story. And then they give you those
key points that you're now matching to another eyewitness that

(01:22:19):
they know that they didn't talk to. That you're getting
those key takeawakes that match, and so that's you know,
it's a crime scene and you have to kind of
puzzle yourself through it. And even the first time or
the second time around, you're not going.

Speaker 5 (01:22:32):
To get the details right.

Speaker 6 (01:22:33):
You really have to take the time. I'm a deep diver.
I don't just go surface level. I'm not going to
go to Google and pick the first two articles and
believe that these guys know their crap. Sorry, No, I
need to go to the archive. I need to go
to the newspapers I need. And I don't mean like,
you know, a website with somebody stored newspaper like I.

Speaker 5 (01:22:53):
Actually go to like the actual resources.

Speaker 6 (01:22:55):
So I always tell people Google is a great place
for resource research, where you can go and get to
the websites like ancestry dot com who's doing the work
and cataloging the art the archive for you. But don't
trust Google and just anybody wanting to post stuff on
Google or making their blog or their opinion, because if
you listen to all those people, oh my god, like

(01:23:18):
freaking it read it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
It's it's a mess, the new encyclopedia of the world. That's.

Speaker 7 (01:23:24):
Yeah, everybody, you're like, Okay.

Speaker 6 (01:23:27):
I hang I hang up my phone many days when
I get posts. Well, this person in Reddit said this,
and that that means that what you're saying is wrong
because they're an expert. Okay, what are they an expert in?
Can you tell me? Because I'd like to know.

Speaker 5 (01:23:40):
And I don't like that egotistical vibe. It really makes
me mad. I don't like that.

Speaker 6 (01:23:45):
Like, that's where we fall short in the field is
when we get too many egos involved and nobody's willing
to support the next person. It's a big pet peeve
of mine. I'll end on that one because I know
I gotta go, but like that, and I can rant
on that for like an hour, Like I've seen so
many great people come into this field. Who want to
really do well and have some amazing ideas that would

(01:24:08):
level us up. But they're attacked out the gate by
these egotistical a holes that just because you've been in
your little forest thirty freaking acres of your forest, and
you think you know everything and you have all the answers, bucko.
You don't like, where's your proof? Then where's your video footage?
Where's your data?

Speaker 5 (01:24:27):
Let me see. I have hair samples, I've got foot casts,
I've got shit.

Speaker 6 (01:24:30):
I've sent to Meldrum. What that doesn't I have labs
in North Carolina and other places. I've sent stuff too
to have testing. That doesn't mean that I'm an expert.
We all are collecting the same stuff, but we don't
have a physical body yet. Like the ego is so
and it's caused those people to not want to be
in the field anymore.

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
And that makes me master.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
Why call's witnesses, you know, at least or and I've
come across witnesses that I've gone they've already dealt with
somebody in a field that we were looking into, and
they're just like, I just don't want to t because
of the way that they were treated by the said person,
you know, and it wasn't just them, it was like
many others and so, you know, so they won't come out,

(01:25:09):
they won't see their stories because of you know, the
from the person interviewing them that's so called expert interviewing them.
It's yeah, so that's a big part of it as well,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
It's yeah, Brettany, we love you.

Speaker 10 (01:25:24):
You're the Colesta I love you just.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Brings so much fire. Don't always stay true to who
you are, because we absolutely need the fact that you're
part of what we do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
We're so happy that we found you.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
You're such a valuable part of just motivating us and
driving ford Cryptied Women's Society to create some balance and
change within the space that we work in. And all
of our members that are a part of Crypti Women's
Society just absolutely love the fact that they get to
talk to you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:59):
What a lazy seen the other.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
Day she was sitting one of our members watching the
Last Monster Files on TV and she was like, oh,
I know, Brett, we're friends. And her kids were like,
there's no way you're friends with Brittany because they're watching
you on TV.

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
And so the text message.

Speaker 6 (01:26:15):
Right, Yeah, I was at dinner and I looked down
and get this phone and I'm like.

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
Who is this? And I was like, oh, I was like, hey, yeah,
it's me. How are you like?

Speaker 6 (01:26:24):
I was just like, yeah, it's me.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
I did that with the UFO shows and we've been
and all a sudden you pop up. I'm like, I
had no idea you were into UFOs.

Speaker 6 (01:26:37):
I was just like, oh my.

Speaker 5 (01:26:38):
God, I've done it all, man, I've done it. I
love it. I've done it all.

Speaker 6 (01:26:44):
I'm so invested. I mean, look at my office, you
can see I have a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:26:47):
We need to have a whole discussion about UFOs.

Speaker 4 (01:26:50):
That is going to be our next, our next discussion,
because oh my gosh, Brittany, we have held you up
for way longer.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Than what you were meant to be.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
It's all good, good, so much, Brittany.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
Tell everyone real quick where they can find you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Give a quick cut, a little rundown prop yourself there.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
And you were just on the July Ghosted magazine as well. Yes,
she had the front cover of the air and the
good article in this so go check it out, people.

Speaker 6 (01:27:18):
Yes, yes do please go to a ghost magazine. Please
give that a follow as well. Really good people there
getting that together. I have a Facebook page, but it's
mostly just for like family friends, people that I don't
mind sharing like personal pictures of my kids with, so
I don't really like se like I don't really accept
a lot of people on my Facebook.

Speaker 5 (01:27:37):
I have a fan Facebook page that's out there that
one you can just follow.

Speaker 6 (01:27:42):
You don't have to like send a request. But I
am extremely active on my social media and on Instagram
at Brittany Underscore Barbiery Underscore. You can find me right away.
That's where I'm so heavily active on that every day.
People can interact with me there. Anytime I don't have TikTok,
I get.

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
A headache for text talk, I can't do it.

Speaker 6 (01:28:02):
But yeah, so that's that is where I heavily interact.
And I have my in My links in my bio
are like my website, my clothing company, the other places
that I'm connected to and work at, like the Crypto
Women's there in my link as well as the I'm
the Creative Director Board of on the Board of Directors
for the Crocodile Research Foundation here in the United States

(01:28:22):
that works with the research Crocodile Research found Coalition in
belize to help preserve and help people co exist with
crocodiles and understand the importance of them in the ecosystem
for conservation efforts. So heavily into conservation with that and
helping the ecosystem and other animals that matter, which also
falls into cryptosology, which is nice because I'm bringing that
into the field again in wildlife biology through that field.

(01:28:46):
So yeah, all of that information is on my Instagram,
And my Instagram is not like a professional like, don't
expect to go on there and be like, oh, I'm
Britney Barbieri in the field, I have skits I do
with friends. It's a completely different character with my one friend.
I'm an obsessive fan in a wig like I just
I'm living life, and I feel like that's what all

(01:29:07):
of us need to do. I don't think we should
live in a shell or a niche that you know.

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
I'm real.

Speaker 6 (01:29:12):
I'm a real person who likes to make people laugh
and feel good aside.

Speaker 5 (01:29:16):
From my professional work. So that's kind of If you
follow my page, you follow all of me, and you
better buckle up. That's all I gotta say.

Speaker 14 (01:29:21):
It's right over, so good, It's so good.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Thank you, Brittany, thank you for joining us.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
We're gonna stick around and keep talking and Brittany's gonna
hit out and probably go to sleep because it's probably
quite late.

Speaker 5 (01:29:38):
Yes it is nine thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Yes, you are amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
If you want to come and be more involved with
Brittany and get kind of you know, one on ones
and be able to ask you those questions and learn
from her, come and jump onto Cryptid Women's Society.

Speaker 4 (01:29:52):
Or you have to do is get a membership. You're in.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
You get to have one on one conversations or to
do it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:58):
Do it. You are the best.

Speaker 6 (01:30:04):
Love you ladies, Busie Brits.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
Don't hurt any possums. I'm just kidding. I know the
warmers do it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:16):
Do it?

Speaker 7 (01:30:16):
We will.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
So now we have to go shopping for nipple around while.
You got to write a note about that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
We're probably going to.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Get banned for saying that word. It's a real thing YouTube, Okay,
it's a real thing in New z.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
Juels.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
We've had bucket loads of comments coming on YouTube. I
didn't want to stop the conversation to go through the comments,
but I just want to point out that people have
been commenting it's awesome. We love everyone that's joined us today,
Thank you so so much.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
We can we can go back through them. We're going
to keep talking.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
But everyone that's that's jumped on and watched today and commented,
thank you. We we love you all. And that was
so so interesting. Man, talk about mind blowing, right. And
you've got to love Brittany because she's one of the
only researchers that I know that really truly goes deep
diving into it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
But to go like you're saying, she goes against the grain.
It's just like even though there's been this belief and
now we can kind of understand her nervousness about, you know,
talking about the Mofman because of that it is such
an iconic feature, this creature that has you know, is
so many people love Mofman.

Speaker 7 (01:31:44):
We're talking millions of people.

Speaker 4 (01:31:45):
You know, It's not like it it's just like, oh,
you know, got a thousand people down the road. This
whole town, you know, base its whole tourism, and that
the reason money comes into this town and keeps this
town going is because of the Mothman and because the
legend around the Mothman.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
So and I tell you what, Joel was like, I
spoke to Brittany via text message before she went up
on to talk and stuff, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Said to her, You're gonna be amazing, going have a
great time.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
She goes, Oh my god, I'm so nervous because of
what I'm taking, because of what I'm about to say.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
I don't know if they're going to accept it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
I don't know if I'm going to be booed offstage.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
I don't know if they'll be happy with it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
I'm really really like shitting myself, super nervous, And so
I just said to it, just go and own it.
So long as you've done the research and you know
what you're bringing, just go and own it. And by
all accounts, that's what she did. And at the same time,
I understand why that's not being talked about because I

(01:32:46):
would have expected some I know, there was no phones
in there, there was no video footage, like you weren't
allowed to do that, but I would have expected some
more people to potentially talk about it. And people talk
about things that are in their favor right, that they
agree with and that their belief systems agree with, and

(01:33:08):
they're like, you say, their reality is in line with that,
and when somebody comes to you and says, here, go,
I've got receipts and here's the information you need to know.
If it doesn't quite align with your belief system, it's
very very hard to swallow, right.

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
And that's if you've only followed the social media side
of stuff and you haven't looked into the facts, or
you've followed those people gone saying these are the facts,
but they're not actually the facts.

Speaker 7 (01:33:35):
So it's probably throwing throwing people and.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
You don't want to burst their bubble and you don't
want to take that little dream away that this giant
Moffman is flying around. You know, it's yeah, because for people,
you know, the reality is that this Moffman is real.
He's there, he's still flying around. He's been seen here
in Australia, he was in Chicago, He's been seen in
Canada and Russia and and many other, you know places

(01:34:02):
around the world. Apparently this Mothman has been so but
I mean it's it's interesting, right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
So Number one, the indescribable optomn hebrow what up? And
also Kelsey's here or Miche is here as well, and
thanks for joining us girl. He mentioned the Mothboys over
in West Virginia, and we know those guys and they
are mint and they bring such good content and we

(01:34:28):
love them to pieces.

Speaker 2 (01:34:30):
And one day we're going to go and hang out
with them and probably get really drunk, and probably we're
going to get banned from West Virginia or somewhere. Something
bad will happen.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
But is it, like you know, we talk about quite
often with the paranormal space, when you're.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
Thinking about something so much and there's so many people that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
Are thinking about the same thing and bringing that idea,
do we bring that into reality?

Speaker 2 (01:34:59):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
Yes, there was initial mothman sightings and the initial encounter
that Brittany was talking about as far as her research goes,
and the credibility and the sightings and that sort of
stuff showing that it was most likely a bird of prey.
Did we then create hysteria around it, keep driving it
forward and then create manifest this type of being that

(01:35:27):
looks different than what the original sightings were into fruition
to fly around Chicago, Melbourne, Russia?

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
Is this what happened?

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
Because we saw that happen on the paranormal shows, right
there was a television show that.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
Didn't It's actually been proven that you can go in
and you know, the Kindred Spirits I think was one
of them that did it, and they were basically the
spirit had come in and taken over this house, and
so they went in and they made up a story
about whatever this spirit was doing.

Speaker 7 (01:36:05):
I think they were in the bar hanger.

Speaker 4 (01:36:06):
They made up the spirit and then they went back
in and went who's here, and it basically said its
name and it was you know, kind of basically s
bursted out the story of what they were talking about
in there. So, you know, and it's not the only
problem that's done it. You know, there is these things.
You know, it's they talk about young teenage girls. Mainly
that poulter Geis activity is because of young hormonal teenage

(01:36:30):
girls that there's like all the stuff going on that
they can manifest like this activity. You know, that's not
every poulter Geis activity, but you know there is scene that,
you know.

Speaker 7 (01:36:42):
So it's really it is really interesting. I mean that
that's it. What is it?

Speaker 4 (01:36:49):
I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
Are we just in a matrix? You know, like are
we in a holographic matrix? And I've heard this a
couple of times, different theories around kind of what we're
living in We do believe in manifestation, right, and I
believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
We manifest money all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
Money just shows up in our wallets, it shows up
in the bank account. We manifest pathways for career progression, jobs, cars,
all of that sort of stuff. And we firmly believe
that if you get on the right frequency or whatever,
you can manifest things that happen in your life. And
all you have to do, I guess is if you

(01:37:23):
look at religion, if you look at prayer, for example,
you will go into a church, you pray to heal
someone and that person is healed. So neurolinguistics training or
neuro linguistic programming says that the more people thinking about
one thing or focusing their energy into one thing manifesting

(01:37:44):
essentially it will happen. So if we're creating this mass
hysteria about this entity that no longer looks like the
original sightings and encounters were, now manifest this moth like
being with red eyes no neck, which is the total

(01:38:05):
opposite of what those person did, all of a sudden
he looks like a black flying which.

Speaker 4 (01:38:13):
No longer becomes a biological creature?

Speaker 7 (01:38:15):
Does it?

Speaker 4 (01:38:16):
Sure it can become something else. So it may it
may look like yeah, it may look like yeah, it's
very Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Let's go on to that for a second.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
Is this a spiritual entity that's gone, Oh, I can
see they're trying, They're They're creating this kind of manifestation
of something. I'm going to embody that and I'm going
to take that kind of view or that sort of
entity that they're talking about, and I'm going to be
that that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:46):
Yeah. Or is it a demonic energy that's playing on
that kind of you know, because you've got to kind
of throw the two of them up. I mean, I
don't think like a lot of the sightings, it's not
really I don't. I mean I haven't honestly gone into
all the latest sightings, so it's not seen as like
a demonic energy and such. I mean, some people are

(01:39:08):
really terrified by what they see, but you know, other
people like can in Chicago, for example, was seen on
the top of buildings. And again it could have been
like this giant, you know, migrating bird that's got a
little bit lost and is sitting up there, or you know,
people saying I've seen it sitting over here, or.

Speaker 14 (01:39:29):
A harbinger of doom or an omen of And how
interesting is that a year between the sighting and the bridge,
Whereas in the narrative that is put out there about
Mothman is that he was seen days almost maybe a
week or something, you know, this bridge collapse, and it

(01:39:50):
wasn't there was a whole year, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
There was I did not realize that.

Speaker 4 (01:39:54):
I did not realize yeah after or like.

Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
The bridge clap, Yeah, you've seen a year prior and
then the bridge connected.

Speaker 4 (01:40:04):
So that's really you know, so that's it. You know,
that's a really big part of how that story has
been twisted to fit a narrative to keep people interested,
you know, and those you know, the journalists and the writers.
You know, Oh, this is just going to keep making
you know, this a great story and people will keep

(01:40:24):
buying it if you know, they put their spin on it,
you know what we're saying. And we've always said this.
You know, people will have their own agenda. Even scientists
will have their own agenda.

Speaker 7 (01:40:33):
They say that they.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
Don't, but they've always got their their own biases of
what actually goes into the science sometimes, especially when it
comes to like the paranormal, supernatural and kind of those
those fringe sciences where they don't want it. It needs
to fit the narrative of what the government and what
the chuchors want, and you know, and all that kind

(01:40:54):
of stuff. You know, It's something that we have discussed
many many times.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
But where I was literally going to go with it
is this being done on purpose to dilute cryptozoology, euphology,
paranormal investigation. Right, So Brittany talked about that kind of
dilution or that interference within kind of that like these
sciences which they are as they stand, Cryptozoology is one

(01:41:20):
hundred percent of science because it just comes from conservation
and the law of the land, the indigenous stories, and
so is this purposeful deceit, purpose intentional deceit of said
government or people or whoever it is in the controls

(01:41:42):
same way they talk about the dinosaurs and the mainstream
narrative and the timelines and all of ancient civilizations and
all of the above stuff to maintain the dilution and
the silliness that gets put into the laughability, the ridiculousness
that you're searching for this.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
How could why would you? Because it's just so silly
and the indigenous people don't know what they were.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
Talking about and blah blah blah blah blah, and now
you're trying to hunt for Bigfoot and blah blah, all
this sort of rubbish to stop great research being done
and these creatures, these animals to not be found for
whatever nefian purposes they've got going on.

Speaker 4 (01:42:27):
Oh oh no, no, this has gone down a rabbit
holes time next week, guys, you about it.

Speaker 7 (01:42:40):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Oh my god, so quickly I go down into a conspiracy. Yeah,
I mean, there's there's all these little threads.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
I wish I had a corkboard so I could draw
the threads between the FBI cases. You know, that'd be great.
But yeah, oh so interesting. What a fantastic conversation with
that woman. We could totally kept going for FAF far
far longer, and I'm sure that we will get her
back on the show at some point, Jules, is there
anything else on the on your radar right now?

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
This could take a while.

Speaker 7 (01:43:13):
We've been indefinitally.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
Garth Brooks.

Speaker 7 (01:43:17):
What's going on with Garth Brooks?

Speaker 4 (01:43:19):
Like Garth Brooks is again to our attention that Garth
Brooks could be a serial killer, what sal killer.

Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
He's a wonderful singer and he's a cowboy what.

Speaker 9 (01:43:34):
Do you know?

Speaker 4 (01:43:35):
Oh my gosh. Yeah. I mean it's like, I mean,
we're just heading on this. You know, people are talking
about it, so we're just gonna kind of put stuff
out there.

Speaker 7 (01:43:43):
Let us know what you think.

Speaker 4 (01:43:46):
You know, we found some stuff out about Garth Brooks,
which is kind of a little bit odd to say
the least. I mean, and you know, he's a for
those who don't know, he's a country singer.

Speaker 7 (01:43:56):
He's been singing for.

Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
Many, many, many, many many year is he's Yeah, so
he's like all these stories have been coming out about
how there are all these missing persons around all his
concert venues and this kind of stuff. He's said to

(01:44:19):
have a bit of a split personality, which is something
that was really new I never knew about, or an
alternative personality or you know, so people are kind of
giving it different names, called Chris Gaines.

Speaker 7 (01:44:33):
So he's a fictitious persona.

Speaker 4 (01:44:36):
So he's supposedly this Australian rock artist. So he released
an album in September of nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 7 (01:44:49):
And this.

Speaker 4 (01:44:51):
From what I've got about it, is that there was
supposed to have been a movie made, but the movie
never got made, but an album was released and like
in nineteen ninety nine, and he was supposed to be
this Australian rock artist that was a six addict with

(01:45:11):
you know, just features. He bombed the whole thing, like bomb,
like the whole album bombed pretty bad. But apparently he's
done a couple of albums and he did some concerts.
Chris as is Chris Gaines. He's given interviews and there
was a documentary made and apparently when he comes out

(01:45:37):
as Chris Gaines, like he does not break character. He
is that person in interviews where he's doing his music
or all that kind of stuff. So you know, I
mean there's been allegations against and I'm just leave it

(01:45:57):
there about Garth Brooks for many years about different things.

Speaker 7 (01:46:03):
But yeah, it was very very interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:46:06):
I never knew about that, so, I mean he's always
been a little bit odd for me anyway. Matthew Cox
did a book called Bodies and Low Places. Now this
is where a lot of this Cereal Killer stuff comes from.
He in and around the concerts and stuff that he's done.
So it's just one of the there are over one

(01:46:27):
hundred and twenty missing persons and ninety unsolved crimes all
around where these concerts have been done. So it goes
back to so this guy's done a lot of investigating.
He's done research and stuff. He had like three or
four people researching all this, and he goes One of

(01:46:47):
the things that is really quite interesting is that when
he was at college in Oklahoma or Oklahoma College or
something like that, there was a girl that was murdered
that was there at the same time as him, and
she was murdered and she only lived a few miles away.
So that was kind of like one of the first

(01:47:08):
kind of cases that they came across. When he they
said that he was originally into rock music, but then
he decided to go to country and then he moved
to Nashville worked at a place called the boot Barn
where three people went missing from when around when he

(01:47:29):
worked there. Okay, so then his album comes out, he
makes a bit of money, and then the first thing
he did, he got about a half.

Speaker 7 (01:47:43):
A million dollar check.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
Right, So this is in Nashville, and so one of
the first things he did is that he went out
and brought around twenty to thirty acres of land. Nothing
kind of So this was his first check. So they
were you know, they think this is really strange because
he didn't go and buy a car, by this and
by that.

Speaker 7 (01:48:01):
He just brought this land. So that was like the
first thing that he made.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
In and around this time when he brought this land.
And afterwards there are a spike in missing persons in
this area and they've never been found. So and then
when he's been on tour, Okay, so one to five

(01:48:27):
miles away where all these missing persons and these unsolved
crimes and stuff have happened, have all kind of happened.
So pretty much Rory's been having all these concerts and stuff,
there's been missing person. So I just I just found
it really really interesting. What are people's thoughts on mister
Garth Brooks being a serial killer? You know, I just

(01:48:54):
find it really strange. It's also said that he will
never ever go off script when he does interviews. He'll
never do a podcast, You'll never go and do a
live interview. Everything is scripted.

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
That would make sense in the video that we're about
to show because from an acting perspective, right, you and
I have been actors for many many years. We've been
on stage, we've been on screen, You can always tell
when somebody is either reading from the video prompter or
they're reading from memory. Doesn't matter how good of an
actor you are. You either memorize your lines and you

(01:49:27):
say it straight like that, or you improv right. There
is a big difference between improving and reading scripted lines.
And I was like, you're weird. Why are you so weird?
And then I realize that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
He's reading.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
He's scripted.

Speaker 4 (01:49:41):
He's very very scripted, and they're just like, you know, vine,
he says, there's just something. It's in the eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Man, Why do you have to be so scripted?

Speaker 9 (01:49:49):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:49:50):
Being so scripted means to seek, right, means that there
is something behind you. Being genuine. Being genuine means you
your hands. You have idiosyncrasies that you do that the
other person doesn't do. You have little things you do,
eyebrows or a real thing. So when you're talking naturally,

(01:50:11):
your eyebrows work with the emotion that you're generating from
the words that you're saying and how you're feeling. When
you're scripted, your eyebrows work in different ways. That was
one of the things that we went through your for
mannerisms when we started doing characterization training.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
You always make sure that your eyebrows are.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Whatever at the right time, because otherwise it throws it totally.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
And it's because you're not emotionally connected enough to what
you're saying, because it's scripted.

Speaker 4 (01:50:43):
So even even Josh Grogan has tried to get him
on and try to get him you know, so so
many people have tried it. But he yeah, it's just
very it's very interesting that all these missing persons are
around and.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
And they've over let the maps have I've seen.

Speaker 4 (01:51:01):
Overlap overlapping maps. But also going by the description, so
he says, you know, so there could be fifty homicides
or whatever, but you know, he says, it's specific descriptions
sixpot mile brown here and similar are very very thanks

(01:51:22):
and some of the descriptions are very very interesting as
to it's like the same kind of description that's been
given over I mean, this is this ban's over twenty
years people. This isn't just like yeah, this is over
twenty years. And so that's why he found it really
really interested in the fact that this this murder happened
like about two to three miles away from where he

(01:51:46):
was at the same time as this girl so they
didn't dive into whether he knew this girl or whether
she was in the same class as him or anything,
but they're like, was this his first?

Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
And obviously this is all speculation and allegations lately, and
you know, like I guess, as a as a famous person,
you put yourself in this position to be scrutinized, and
it's horrible that we even do this, but we're gonna
do it either way.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
I've got a video to show.

Speaker 4 (01:52:12):
Because it's a conspiracy, let's look into it.

Speaker 9 (01:52:16):
Show.

Speaker 4 (01:52:17):
Do you want to watch my video? I'm gonna show
you it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
Okay, are you ready?

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
We're ready do it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
I'm gonna do it. I might do it, you might not.
Hold on, Please hold minimus. Can you see my screen?

Speaker 4 (01:52:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:52:35):
Yeah, yeah, Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:52:36):
My god, I did it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:37):
Okay, hold on one second.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
We'll just readjust that guy and let's see if I
can get him up nice and big. We're just gonna
watch a video of weird Garth Brooks. It's called Garth
Brooks being super creepy. So if you're only listening to this,
you might just want to fast forward like fifteen seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
Well you can.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Listen, but it's yeah, it's all in the eyes light.
It says, it's all in the eye, So are you
really We're going to play.

Speaker 9 (01:53:03):
Boy in my dream thrust to love one another, all
of us. Let's go have some fun and let's get
physical playing music. I like that.

Speaker 8 (01:53:21):
Thank you for my life. God bless you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:53:24):
The fake smile. I love you.

Speaker 9 (01:53:26):
Instagram, It's on hashtag ask Garth, ask me anything, okay,
hashtag happy hashtag Garth, hashtag mister Earwood, Oh, hashtag you're it.

Speaker 8 (01:53:36):
Just a blare and honor radio blare and eld It's
is gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
I want to say.

Speaker 8 (01:53:41):
The day is the day, someway, It's Queen's birthday. So
I'm taking over our solutions. Asking me to books hashtag
happy Birthday interest, I know, ask me?

Speaker 4 (01:53:58):
I know, Oh don't.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
I don't want to ask you how we know it all? No,
you're weird.

Speaker 3 (01:54:05):
You're a strange little man.

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
And that I mean, there's many other videos that are
out there that are just like he's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
He's very very interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:54:15):
It'll definitely look up, you know, you can go onto
YouTube look up Chris Chris Games, which is just C
H R I S and G A I N E S.

Speaker 7 (01:54:26):
And there are interviews, there is the music.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
That's on the air because when he was younger, Wrights's
like emo kind of guy.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
So but it was the whole thing about that character
is that he made that character up. It wasn't a
studio coming to him. It was him that was made.
That character was made by him. So they're like, is
it a split personality that something else going on is a.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
We always joke about actors being schizophrenic and having he's
insane with musicians obviously as well, really good at kind
of compartmentalizing emotions and kind of putting it on and
then taking it off. So maybe be very interesting to
see what happens in the future.

Speaker 4 (01:55:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, so go go check it out. But yeah,
all you need to do is just go on and
look them up, and there's just a lot of stuff.
So I just thought it was really interesting, just you know,
a new conspiracy floating around it. I mean, it's been
around for a while obviously, there's been books been you know,
books have been written and stuff like that, so people
are kind.

Speaker 7 (01:55:33):
Of really looking into it. They're like, you know, they must.

Speaker 4 (01:55:38):
Know that's that typical Hollywood thing. They know that there's
stuff going on I'm not going to say anything. You know,
is it getting you know, swept under the carpet?

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
Who knows the number of serial killers that have been
very well known, popular musicians, actors, producers, Hollywood personalities, all
of the above, you know, and then you've got all
the other bits and pieces that they like to get
into as well.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
So yeah, that's that's certainly not surprising, it wouldn't say.

Speaker 4 (01:56:08):
Or is it somebody that has been with him the
whole time? Is there a manager, somebody house? Is there
somebody that has been with him? You know, because obviously
that's not every single concept. Yeah, he's done thousands, So
is there you know, I, you know, I think outside
the box. Is there somebody else that has been with him?

(01:56:30):
In his entourage? With those and he's just a very
strange man.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
Yeah, well he's just a performer that has weird personality
issues and one of his entourage.

Speaker 4 (01:56:41):
Yeah, yeah, is that that's? Is there somebody else?

Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
Or does it go a little bit deeper into things
like you know, satanic ritual abuse and other things like that,
and rituals and everything else, because we know that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:52):
You know, part of Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
To get famous, you're gonna sell a part of you
full stop. So yeah, but that's not what the show's about.
Wel but occasionally we like to pick.

Speaker 4 (01:57:04):
Up a little conspiracy theory fun with her and.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
We shall see, we shall see.

Speaker 4 (01:57:10):
Are there any comments there that you'd like to read
out from anyone? Thank you everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:57:17):
Macha says, that's putting it mildly, Lisa, I appreciate that.
Oh no, no, this just has been so much fun.
And I have an announcement to make really quickly. I
held it to the very very last second. We want
to say the biggest congratulations to one of our founding members.

(01:57:38):
Her name is Heather Mosa and she is part of
Small Town Monsters.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
She's actually a researcher.

Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
She is the chief creative officer, lead researcher and editor
in chief of the Small Town Monsters publishing franchise, and
basically she goes out and does all sorts of bits
and pieces around making videos, yeah, documentaries. She's been keynote
speaking at lots of you know, workshops and conferences and

(01:58:09):
expos and things like that lately, and she has secured
the spot or been invited to be one of the
masters of ceremonies for the Ohio Bigfoot Conference in Salt
Fork in twenty and twenty six, alongside Courtney breed Love

(01:58:30):
bred Love.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
A big partner. I probably said her name wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:58:33):
He there will be the official master of Ceremonies for
that conference, and hey, Jills.

Speaker 7 (01:58:43):
Do we want to be that?

Speaker 4 (01:58:45):
When should we go? There? Should we go?

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
It's twenty twenty six.

Speaker 3 (01:58:51):
Okay, let's put that one in the diary.

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
It's in May yet made the second, I believe.

Speaker 3 (01:58:58):
Let's go and support Heather and Courtney masters of ceremonies,
women doing the amazing thing running the show, phenomenal founding members,
and let's get over there. Let's get our butts to
America next year. Yeah, yeah, we definitely. It's been a
long time coming. Hopefully Trump will Edison.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
Maybe not. Oh no, you're fine.

Speaker 4 (01:59:22):
You're a new Zealander. We're new Zealanders.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
Yeah no, that's so.

Speaker 4 (01:59:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:29):
Big ups to her.

Speaker 3 (01:59:30):
Congratulations, massive step in the right direction for putting women
on the map as far as you know, cryptozoology, bigfoot searching,
all of the above, and that's just.

Speaker 4 (01:59:42):
Truly for she's just such a well respected woman person
with in theforfer.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
Yeah, she's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:59:53):
So and you could come and talk to Heather if
you wanted to alongside Brittany, because all you have to.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
Do is get your out for membership. To be part
of the Cryptied Women's Society, all we have to do
is pop over to Crypted.

Speaker 3 (02:00:06):
Women's Society dot com and become a truth seeker and
you get to be a part of the conversation, a
part of the VIP interviews that we do. We do
special interviews there with lots of different amazing men and
women in our shadow talk that we haven't put out
to the public.

Speaker 2 (02:00:25):
You get to be part of our dungeon. Juliet r. Eighteen.

Speaker 4 (02:00:33):
Time is over.

Speaker 3 (02:00:37):
You get to be a part of the gathering good,
solid conversations with amazing people.

Speaker 2 (02:00:43):
We will be putting together some courses.

Speaker 3 (02:00:45):
The Academy will be up and running really really soon.
There's a whole heap of cool stuff in there alongside
the Rkane Library where we have amazing resources, documents, research files, books,
all of the above.

Speaker 2 (02:01:01):
So make a.

Speaker 4 (02:01:01):
Place for all those people and all these women. She say, well,
and guys, if you want your research papers and you
want your books to go into our library to you know,
to be to have access to people who are interested
in our industries.

Speaker 9 (02:01:15):
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:01:15):
That's the fantastic thing about it. It's not like you're
trying to reach, you know, find those ten thousand people
within fifty million. It's like everybody that comes into our
membership is about cryptozoology, is about paranormal eupology. We're all
within this industry. So we are a prime spot for

(02:01:37):
your box, for your research if you're trying to get
it out there and you want people to read it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:41):
One hundred beautiful work. I love your work, Juliet. I
love you. You're an amazing person.

Speaker 7 (02:01:47):
We love you too.

Speaker 4 (02:01:48):
We are we are getting there.

Speaker 3 (02:01:51):
Thank you everyone for listening and watching and joining the
show and commenting.

Speaker 2 (02:01:57):
And if you've got any comments, if you want us
to delve.

Speaker 3 (02:02:00):
Into a specific topic, if you've got a certain thing
that you want us to talk about, drop us a line.

Speaker 2 (02:02:07):
You can pop over to Instagram. We're super active over there.

Speaker 3 (02:02:10):
We have our Facebook page running at the moment as well,
which is great. Jump into there, send us a message,
send us an email, drop it in here, please share,
help us out. Let's get this movement crankin and I
will see you next week.

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
Jills, Hey, do you know what's happening next week Jill's.

Speaker 3 (02:02:29):
Vampires and It's Vampires Baby, about my Vampire Teeth out
and special guest. We have the amazing Raven Lee coming
to talk to us and she is going to talk
about I think New Orleans vampires.

Speaker 4 (02:02:46):
So you were talking the modern day vampiism. It's such
an eye opener. It is really really interesting, you know,
because like we all go, oh, you have modern day vampires.
There are so many different aspects to kind of these areas,

(02:03:07):
and some terrible stories have been coming out that we
may not be able to release on here I have.

Speaker 2 (02:03:14):
I don't know anything about vampires other than.

Speaker 4 (02:03:18):
Dwelt, That's all I know about.

Speaker 2 (02:03:21):
So it's going to be an eye opener for me.
And I might sit there and just shut up and
let Juliet and read.

Speaker 4 (02:03:28):
But yeah, no, I'm super excited about There's going to
be some really cool stuff and you'll come in and
learn about different types of vampires and the different levels.
And they don't all drink blood, you know, that's not
a big part of it. So there is like certain
parts of it. Yeah, no, idea, don't even know.

Speaker 2 (02:03:46):
It's going to be fantastic. I can't wait.

Speaker 4 (02:03:49):
I'm join us a vampire.

Speaker 7 (02:03:50):
Maybe I should be vampire fans.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
We should I might get some things. Yeah, yeah, well
see how we go.

Speaker 3 (02:03:56):
Hey, it's lovely talking to you. Thanks everyone for joining us.
We will see you saying bat time, saying back Channel
next week and love to you all, because, guess

Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
Again, at a women's society of walking in the shadows,
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