CultXCosmic: Mind Controlled Killers & Government Cheese (Feat. JJ Vance)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh trigger warn This podcast may include explicit content that

(00:37):
will take you out of your comfort zone and make
you question reality.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Listeners, just question is advised.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Holdy, folks, welcome back to Operation GCD. Your host JJ
vance Operation GCD and not the Vice pre no bombs here, folks,
welcome back for a special swapcast here with Julia from
Cosmic Peach how you do and Julia looking forward to
the conversation me too.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Thanks so much for joining me for this conversation. It's
something that I kind of hinted around about a couple
of times the last few shows we did together. And
You've been looking into this guy, and I've been looking
into this guy, and I'm excited to get into the conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Well, I'm gonna have to tell you first and foremost, ma'am,
I appreciate you bringing this to my attention because I
had never heard of Randy Kraft, and he fits right
into the same framework I'm already mapping and looking into.
So this is a great puzzle piece for me. So
I definitely appreciated you looking for me.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
He's a very interesting character.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yes, he is a very interesting character. And do you
feel like if Dave McGowan was still around, this guy
would have ended up on his radar at some point,
because I do.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
That's a good point because I was talking about something
similar last night on my show on Operation GCD Sundays,
talking about all these kind of this framework and network.
We were kind of talking about offline where all these
folks know each other and cross pass and in regards
to Dave McGowan's where, yeah, I mean, I think he
did the best he could with the amount of information
he had. I said the same thing about John retired
Detective John Cameron from Great Falls PD who did the

(02:23):
seminal study into the serial killer. Most folks have probably
never heard of Edward Wyn Edwards. Tuned in Operation GCD
for more on that subject. But one thing I covered
on that was he wrote, Edward, I'm sorry. Cameron wrote
a book about Edwards, you know, eight seven and eight
years ago, two different books. At the time, he did
the best he could with the information he had, but

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now we think we have more information, So Edwards printed sorry.
Cameron printed a marriage license for example, before Edward Wyn
Edwards in November of nineteen fifty five and Idaho Falls,
Idaho under the pseudonym that he had fake credentials for passports,
driver's license, urity cards for name James Garfield, like the
President in Langley, like the CIA headquarters. So I found

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another marriage license from the same date with the same
names to the same lady with the same judges in
the same stamp, under the name Edward Wayne Edwards. So
what I'm saying here is it seems like the CIA
may be Project Chaos like Eddie's friend Charles Manson was.
Maybe they issued him some fake credentials because old ed
there gets picked up for a Lover's Lane murder in Portland,
Ogon in nineteen sixty after he does time in Deer

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Lodge Prison in nineteen sixty under the name James Garfield Langley,
so he gets the same credentials reissued to him after
he gets out of a state prison in Deer Lodge Prison,
the same Deer Lodge prison that the Fellow and Zodiac
killer at Lake Berry us It claimed to have escaped from,
murdered a prison guard, stole a car and was driving
to Mexico. Those are all details from edwyd whin evers life,

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but they didn't happen in nineteen sixty nine at the
lake Bury s event. They had happened to add fifth
in nineteen fifty nine, but.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
It's still compelling enough to make you wonder.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Right, who in who, what victim or who? Brian Hartnell
has no reason to make any of that up. And
it's in the Santa it's in the Senate. When not
Santa Rosa. The NAPA County Sheriff's Department please report, which
I went over on my show talking about.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
It, says dear Lodge prison.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
So Edward Wayne Edwards, whether or not he murdered the
guard or not, is not known, but he was definitely
in Dear Lodge prison in that riot in fifty nine.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
He definitely.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
When later, after getting picked up for he gets some reason,
you know, he gets either gets paroled or he does escape.
It's not exactly clear really, because again this man lives
a very dubious and mysterious life. But he gets picked
up in November of nineteen sixty under the name James
Garfield Langley again right, arrested for a Lover's Lane murder,
and he escapes to prison that night, goes on the run,

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becomes one of the most wanted men on the FBI's
list and is picked up in Atlanta, Georgia in January
of nineteen sixty two, so fourteen months later, so for
thirteen and a half.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
So there being is.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
How would anyone know all those intimate details of an
event that actually happened and never went unvers life and
further substantiating John Cameron's claims, and I would agree he's
correcting this that Ed was the guy in the hood
that day at Barry Essa, and he was I viewed
more of a like a Manson two Bill Menzer style guy,
like out of Ultimate Evil.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Right.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
So, and again the reason why Bill Mentzer's named Manson
two by Mary Terry's because he knew Charles Manson was
part of that original scene. And Ed has known Charles
Manson since nineteen fifty two.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
But you do believe that much like the Son of Sam,
that there was probably multiple assailants that were running and
ripping through as the Zoe teams.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, these are definitely teams, just ma'am. And that's why
I keep saying the man in the hood was Ed
because he knew adds details of his life, right. And
on top of that and the letters from the Zodiac,
the Zodiac describes that he gets his rocks off killing folks.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
I'll look up the exact quote, but let's paraphrase. Ed
Ed Edwards gets busted for a nineteen eighty lovers Lane
murder in Wisconsin. He gets busted in two thousand and nine,
and he gets busted when his daughter watches a true
crime show on TV says, oh, wait that I know
that town. I know that field where they found those bodies.
In fact, my father took me to that field and

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we were living there and left the town that next day.
So she calls the Wisconsin authorities and tells him that,
then gives her DNA to compare against DNA left on
the victims genes of the young female and the Lover's
Lane murder. Right, and that young female had semen on
her genes, not raped, no sexual assault, semen passed through
the assailant's pants onto her, jens on her pants. So

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it seems Edward when Edwards did in fact get his
rocks off strangling this young female.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
So the evidence I would say is mounting that that
is ed is definitely involved in that team.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Oh he has to be right.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
And again he and Charles Manson met they were twenty
he won or twenty.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I think Ed was nineteen and Charles was eighteen.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
And they met at the Chili Coothy Reformatory in April
of nineteen fifty two, and they were there together for
fifteen months.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Okay, their besties.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
And Ed ed again that DNA came back on them
jeans and eighty. He didn't get the death penalty, so
he he then admitted to another lover's lane murder that
occurred in Ohio in nineteen seventy seven, and in nineteen
seventy seven in Ohio there was no death penalty available
for those crimes during that period. So then he admits
to another murder in nineteen ninety six in Ohio, and
there he gets the death penalty and he dies coincidentally,

(07:41):
strangely enough, you know, a couple months before he was
to be executed, but five days before John Cameron, the
man he did the seminal studying to Ed Edwards, was
supposed to come visit him. Oh shit, Yeah, so someone
didn't want Ed talkin.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
In my opinion, I.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
Was just gonna say that it's more likely they didn't
want him saying a peep.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
And if you go if folks of you or folks
of the interwebs, go on, go on and see these
interviews that occurred in the spring of twenty eleven before
ed dies. This regard twenty ten, I think it is
thanks twenty ten. Yeah, because he gets arrested, he gets
they come get they come get his DNA and by
warrant in June of two thousand and nine. So I
think he dies in April twenty ten. But nonetheless, you

(08:25):
can go on there. He's he's faking to be an
old man in a wheelchair on oxygen.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
That's all. That's all a ruse. That's all a ruse.
He did have type two diabetes, but that was all
a ruse.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
Like the guards of the prison in Ohio where he
ends up dying said that they would wheel himack to
his cell and he would just stand up out of
his wheelchair and walk in.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Fine.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
So this is this is the diabolical nature of Edward
Winn Edwards.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Well, John Wayne Gacy pulled a bunch of shit like
that too. He'd say he was having heard attacks. He
would say he couldn't, that he needed a wheelchair and
all this stuff. Because he also, much like a lot
of the program Killers, was trying to get out of
his Was he on death row? He was, wasn't he?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah? He was? Yeah, they executed Gaysey.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah. I was gonna say, because there were a lot
of times when he would fake a heart attack, he'd
fake this, he'd faked that. He's one of these guys who, like,
until I listened to that podcast, The Clown and the
Candy Man, I didn't understand like how connected he really
was because it just sometimes sounded like he was just

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making up lie stories, you know, he was looking into it,
and it's like, maybe this is true.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well nanny was was he politically connected? And you know,
and whatnot?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
And the JC stuff like he picks up one of
his victims from the same bar that Jeffrey Dahmer got one.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Of his victims, right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
And there's connection between Gaycy and uh Patsky, Norman and
wh All and that whole network stretches to Ace Brown
there in Yonkers in New York in the son of
the same situation.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
So this is like a huge web, right, And there's
multiple different I would say, like Portland area, like Seattle, California, Chicago, Dallas, Texas,
like there are like epicenters, and then there's like little

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spider webs that crawl out from those epicenters.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Sure, yeah, for sure, that's a good way to put it.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Think of it this way, as any corporation does, they
have regional and uh, you know, divisions and you know
organizational structures throughout regions and whatnot. So you're describing various
regions that may have regional headquarters in right, mm hmm,
just like just like any corporation does, right, any corporate effort.
This is a corporate effort. This is an organized bureaucratic

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spook operation, in my opinion, under matters of quote unquote
national security every time.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
So would you say that Randy Craft fits this kind
of blueprint?

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Not only does he fit this blueprint, he also I'm
very interested in his epicenter of activity around the nineteen
sixty eight presidential campaign of R. F. Kennedy in Los Angeles,
of which Randy Craft was very involved, and of which
Ruman Polanski and Sharon Tate were very involved in that
same county campaign effort of the RFK nineteen sixty eight
presidential campaign. So there's no way, there is no I

(11:34):
don't have any pictures of approof. But there's no way
these folks don't know each other, because he's got got
accolades for that campaign, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
He got a personal letter of thanks from Robert F. Kennedy,
Just like how John Wayne Gacy has a picture of
himself with the first Lady, and just how Jeffrey Dahmer
somehow was able to hook up a private tour of
the White House when he was still in high school.

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This guy's getting a personal letter of thanks from Robert F.
Kennedy for his campaigning efforts. Like, there's no way that's
just innocent.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Well, don't forget Ted Bundy. He was an assistant.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Oh and Ted Bundy too, Yeah, to.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
The he was a driver, I believe to the Attorney General.
I want to think at one point of the state
of Washington.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Yes, he and he dated some type of politician's daughter too, right, Well, he.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Worked high up in that, in the R and C
structure of the state of Washington. He definitely was involved
in that and it was a rising star if you will.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Mm hmmmm hm.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
So I kind of want to get your opinion on something,
because you know, there's a lot of podcasts out there
that cover true crime stuff. But all they do is
cover like the crime aspect of it and not so
much like how it's connected, you know, like the truth
about what serial killers really are. And I find it

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interesting that most of the programmed serial killers are the
ones that get like the bitchin monikers like BTK, Zodiac,
Hillside Strangler, Son of Sam, Like, what are your thoughts
on the moniker itself? Like this this is a tactic

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used to stir up fear.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right, Well, for sure, these are all Operation Gladio style campaigns,
I would argue, And you're describing the marketing aspects.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Of it, right, mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
So like this guy, Randy Kraft. He becomes known as
the Scorecard Killer, but he's also known as the California Strangler.
I want to say, somebody else named him that, Oh yeah,
Southern California Strangler, the freeway killer or the scorecard killer,

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and and I've been calling him the Government cheese killer
because he's clearly government and his last name is Kraft,
So that makes a good that's.

Speaker 3 (14:11):
A good nickname. I like your marketing campaign on that one.
And if I made this real quick, I looked up
the Bundy stuff. He was the driver to the Lieutenant
governor of the state.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
Of oh Okay, Okay.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
And he was integral in the in the Nelson Rockefeller
campaign in the nineteen sixty eight Nelson Rockefeller campaign for president,
in the Seattle campaign.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
What, yeah, that's what it was.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
That's Ted Bundy's political connection.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
So we see what I'm saying there is we see
this repeating pattern, right, not only the marketing and creative nicknames.
We see the repeating pattern these political connections. We see
the repeating pattern I see with Craft name, with Bundy,
with you know, with her oh, I don't know about
with Craft, I don't remember, but definitely with Bundy and
Ed Edwards and Charles Manson they have these are men
without fathers mm hmm, you know, Richard Ramirez, you know,

(14:55):
the list goes on with these characters. But I do
think that is a repeating pattern of behavior inactivities I
think should not be ignored.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Now, what was uh, what was Craft's Well, I know
he had a father, but was what was his relationship?
You recall does his father worked in the aerospace industry? Right? Yes?

Speaker 4 (15:12):
So actually government cheese is weird because his struggles with
his family were because of his sexuality. A lot like
Jeffrey Dahmer, except I feel like Jeffrey Dahmer's dad played
a lot to do with helping jeff become who he was.
In this case, he was kind of shunned by his
family because he was gay and it was in the

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early sixties and that shit wasn't cool back then, I guess,
or it was looked down upon. So he kind of
had like a weird relationship with his parents.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Right right, And his dad was in the aerospace industry,
and I saw them before he got into politics. That
he joined the ROTC there at Claremont College in Los Angeles,
before later going and enlisting in the Air Force and
then and then later getting out and then going back
to Claremont. So this is he's got some odd in
and outs and trajectories in life. And is again his
associations in the nineteen sixty eight RFK campaign in Los

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Angeles is extremely questionable.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
So here let me get your thoughts on this. Craft
enrolled in the Reserve Officers Training Corps and he was
in support of the Vietnam War, and then later he
joined the Air Force. But do you find that some
of these psychopaths when they're put into programs as young

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adults or even teenagers that they could have been scouted
out as potentially being like highly functioning sociopaths or highly
functioning psychopaths, and they are kind of recruited in a
way for future programs because of their innate psychopathy.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, I mean I think it's I think it's certainly
that's a factor. I think some of this is multi generational.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Okay, Yeah, tell me about what you think about that.
Do you think it's always generational or do you think
am I back? Am I back?

Speaker 2 (17:17):
You're back? You're back.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
So I was saying, I think I think the rule
is that it's multi generational. But the exception to that
rule is when it's not multi generational. So there are
examples of that, but the overwhelming pattern shows that it is.
These are multi generational aspects that we don't quite understand.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
So would you say, because I think like Ted Bundy's
stepdad was military, Jeffrey Dahmer's dad was some kind of
like a scientist or something like that. Uh, Like you're

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saying it comes from like the dad's side of the family,
or it could be random, or.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
It could be either one.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
It could be either one I mean, it could be
Mom's at side, Dad's side. So I think, for example,
so let's look at that. I think I was described
to you there before the show here started, Julia. But
the Zodiac victim and survivor Brian Hartnell Lake Berry, I say, who,
I would argue at the one who stabbed a bunch
of times at Edward's that is the man in the
hood and.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
The magical you Beck you Beck, Yeah, yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
So let's look at let's look at so I think,
understanding all these crimes, you gotta understand only the criminology
of the you know, the the the you know the aspects, uh,
you know, environments, the families of the criminals.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Right.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
You gotta do the same thing with the victims, right,
and you gotta you gotta understand that is why are
they a victim?

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Is at random? I don't think it is.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
And again, if you start looking at it in a
generational regard, it seems indicated.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
It's not so.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Brian Hartnell gets stabbed a bunch of times by the
guy and the seemingly thelemic magical ritual hood and what
it seems like a ritual sacrifice around water, uh. Filmed
in a snuff capacity by two men who sat on
a boat thirty meters away from the victims and watched
them screen for thirty minutes while one of the victims,
Brian Hartnell, crawled to the road and his girlfriend, Cecilia Shepherd,
would later die in the ambulance on the way to

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the hospital, but Brian Hartnell would survive despite the very
tragic circumstances and a lot of stavings. So Brian Hartnell
looking at him. His mother was a woman by the
name Walker was the last name, and her father seems
to have been the hereditary member of the Society to Cincinnati,
the folks that started America and the secret society that is,

(19:29):
and I would argue still very much runs it. And
I would argue there's very much been a factional feud
in that society since Aaron Burr murdered the President General
of that society, Alexander Hamilton, in eighteen oh four. I
called him the anti liberty faction. In the liberty faction,
that would be Burr on the anti liberty faction representing
the Crown and the Vatican. His backgrounds backers, and that's
demonstrably proven. The things historians miss on that is, they

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don't claim that Aaron Burr started that coup until after
he murdered Alexander Hamilton. And the reason that said is
because no one wants to understand that Alexander ham the
President General of the Society at the time. So and
Aaron Burr was a fellow New York Chapter Society member.
But this is a modern day knighthood. It's literally the
new incarnation of the Knight's Templar. These folks forefathers were

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the Knights Templar, and these folks started America and the
Secret Society formed by the original officers of Washington's Army
in May of seventeen eighty three. America formed in September
seventeen eighty three. So that's there's really not much dispute.
So it gets passed down hereditary from the original members.
Now when you get to a situation like Brian hart

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Hartnell's maternal grandfather Walker there, if he doesn't have any sons,
and then it gets passed down through the daughter to
the next available paternal lineage.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
So, and if you go back in that lineage, Colonel Walker,
the original member there, who the hereditary member appears been
passed down to Brian Hartnell's maternal grandfather. The original member
was a major figure in the society, personal friend of
Washington and assistant to General von Steubens. So this is
a very integral member within this power structure that the
membership is getting passed down through. And I think that

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might play into a factor of some of these things.
Because Brian Hartnell's grandfather died and I think it was
November of nineteen sixty six, when he was seventeen years old.
So it seems like young seventeen year old Brian Hartnell
got himself hereditarily inducted into the secret Society that started
America three two, just under three years before he gets
stabbed a bunch of times.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
That is so crazy. That is so crazy, And go ahead, well,
I was going to say, so it's like we could
compare it kind of actually not kind of. We can
compare it to like the Laurel Canyon of serial killers
and victims, right, because if you look at the Laurel Canyon,

(21:50):
like David Crosby and some of these assholes with Lutely,
you know, they've got family members going all the way
back like signers of the Declaration of Independence.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
You know, well, on that note.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
On that note, let's look at the Manson family murders
there in Benedict Canyon, of that same Laurel Canyon scene.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Right from the sixties, you got Abigail Folger.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
To the Coffee Foundation, and if you go back to
the Folgers, Peter Folger was the founder of Nantucket back
in the late sixteen hundreds. He's Peter Folger's the grandfather
of Benjamin Franklin. Benjamin Franklin's mother's the daughter of Peter
Volder Maryland and Marilynd Monroe's father. Again, people want to
dispute these things. I've looked pretty well into it to

(22:39):
come to a conclusion here, because she does seem to
have Monroe heritage through her mother's family, even though she
would later choose the name Monroe as this monic as
the pseudonym. Right, it seems to be that that might
be why. But my point being is DNA has proven
that she's a Gifford. Her father was a Gifford, Charles Gifford.
Charles Gifford's mother was a Franklin. Sorry maternal grandmothers of Franklin.

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Marilyn Monroe's sixth great grandfather was Benjamin Franklin, I'm sorry,
six sixth grade, n sixth grade.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
An knew it. You was gonna drop a freaking bomb
like that. Look at this.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
So as a result of that, speaking of the Laurel
Canyon seeming, we got Marilyn Monroe. You know who's the
Church of Satan's dedicated the Bible's dedicated her in one
of the parties, right, and she's she's cousins folds your
cousins with Abigail Folger. And it gets worse than that
because if you look at John Markham, the processed church
attorney who plays a lot of things later in life,
but notably in two thousand and two, he's helping Leslie

(23:37):
van Hooton get out of prison, right, the Manson girl
from the La Bianca mers right. And if you look
at who takes over Jay Seabring, the victim at the
Tate Polanski him and the Manson murders, the man who
takes over his enterprise inherits it after his murder is
a man by the name of Jim Markham. He is Markham,
cousins with the processed church attorney John Markham.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
My god, right, So it's not just the killers, it's
the victims too, and.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
It gets worse, it gets You're spot on, it gets.
We're Sharon Tate's father, US Army and Intelligence Colonel Paul Tait.
His second great grandfather was Lieutenant Jesse Tate from the
Virginia chapter of the Society to Cincinnati. It seems like
he was a hereditary member, right, and he had no sons.

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He had no sons, and Sharon Tate was pregnant with
eight and a half months pregnant with her son, which
would have been the hereditary member to receive membership from
the Society from Paul Tate.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
So wild.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
So I think what we're looking at is what you're saying.
These elite families, right, and these disputes that they have,
and we were told the Penstance tale, if you will,
If you know these parapolitical storylines, you guys deal with
these factors and chew on us for a while when
they're really just doing their secret society family bullshit feuds.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Right.

Speaker 4 (24:59):
Well, do you believe JJ your personal opinion, are you
scared of serial killers? Like, do you think that there
are real, live, just random psychopaths out there that just
want to fucking just murder people, or do you think
that a lot of the hype and a lot of
the sensationalism behind it is mostly programmed.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
You know. That's a great question, Julie. And in fact,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
I'm not an expert in anything, but I have met
a couple of these characters. I know a few of
what you're talking about. I would say they're all programs.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
You would say, Okay.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah, Now I'll give you I'll give you a great example,
and I'll tie you back into the process in the
RFK murder for you. So, I met a fellow back
in two thousand and one, face to face, about eighteen
inches away through a thin layer of plexiglass, a cannibalistic,
psychopathic kid diddling, homicidal, a serial killer by the name
of Nathaniel bar jonah Right. He had attempted to murder

(25:59):
eat in the race uh. He raped and attempted to
murder and eating five young kids in Massachusetts. The judge
that let him out was the same judge that let
Teddy Kennedy walk in the Chapiquittic situation. He was the
special prosecutor in that case. He was later a judge,
but he was a special prosecutor in that case. Right
so in chap Equittic, the victim in chap Equittic happened

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to be rfk's chief campaign staffer from the nineteen sixty
eight presidential campaign, a woman that had a lot of details,
a lot of details, and it just so happens old
Teddy Kennedy six months prior to the art of the
chap Equittic situation, happened to be meeting with the Cambridge
mayor in the processed church, in the Cambridge location of
the processed church.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
That's document.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Fuck off.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (26:46):
So what about what about? Like, so you met you've
met this guy, right and you feel like he was
grassroots or you feel like it was a generation I.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Not only think that it was generational. I think he
was a mind control assassin style. He was let loose
from the Bridgewater Mental Hospital, the same Bridgewater Mental hospital
that my former stalker and want to be pr Rep
Buffalo Jared Riviza allegedly sits in today. He's another mind
controlled guy went on multi state killing spree. He sits
in the same mental state out statemental hospital that let

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Nathaniel bar Jonah loose to go.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
He told the judge.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
He told numerous psychiatrists in nineteen ninety one. Bar Jonah
did before they let him out of this joint that
he was going to murder, rape, murder and eat young children.
He told the judge, that judge that now you're good, dude,
you're good. The same guy to let Teddy Kennedy walk
from the tap of quittic situation. And you know what
Nathaniel bar Jonah did four weeks had to let him out.
He kidnapped, attempted, he was in the process of raping

(27:47):
and was going to murder and eat that young boy.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
And they caught him.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
They gave him probation, and they shipped him off to
Great Falls, Montana, which has an identical profile if you're
familiar with the Son of Sam and cold activity to
the Son of Sam minor situation.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Wow, do you think it's also a pattern because Randy
Craft Government cheese killer, he thank you? He also fits
the pattern of uh, Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy in
the way that he just keeps getting away with it

(28:24):
like they will caught him multiple times, like pretty much
in the act, and he still will either get a
slap on the wrist or he'll get probation. Randy Craft
got away with murdering young men and boys for a
decade and got caught several times and got let right

(28:46):
back out on the street. JJ.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
That can that's a pattern. No, that's you're spot on,
that's a pattern. So Nathaniel bar Jonah in nineteen seventy
seven in Massachusetts, there he got arrested. This is what
put him in. They threw him in prison for twenty years.
He got transferred to that mental institution, right, but he uh,
he did fourteen years I think him there before they
let him out.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
But he uh.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
In nineteen seventy seven, he's arrested raping. They catch him
in the act of raping an eight year old boy
in his car and there's another eight year old boy
already that he already rapped half dead in the.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Trunk, and he got probation for that.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
He got probation when he repeated that act in nineteen
ninety one.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, Well, here's the deal.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
That same judge that they can let him off in
ninety one and gave him probation to let him out
of that mental institution. Is the same prosecutor like Teddy
Candy walk on the chap aquotic situation, right, you know,
decades prior, and the way I look at it is process.
People are going to process. Mm hmmm, h you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
And you're you're you were in the military, right allegedly.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
I'm kidding you. Twenty I did twenty years in the
Air Force, Military Police.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
Okay, okay, So answer me this question too, right, because
this is something that I find inconsistent with Randy Kraft's
story because he, much like a lot of the Laurel
Canyon cast of characters, was stationed at Edwards Air Force
Base right in southern California. He quickly rose to the

(30:19):
rank of Airmen first class and a supervisor manager, and
he was in charge of pain test planes. Are you
familiar with what that might have been?

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Well, you got a lot of Nazis there. So Edwards
is part of Air Force Material Command. Air Force Material
Command was largely set up by Project the Project paper
Clip Nazis in the headquarters of which is at Ry
Patterson Air Force Base, where they would later run all
of their alien sy ops out of right, So there
is that is an interesting detail in the matter. I
would be I would also like to know the epicenter
of activity with one specific cult So when Parsons dies

(30:56):
in the whole Agape Lodger of the OTO in Pasadena
kind of you know, splinters. He didn't actually found the
Pasadena lodge. The founder of it was a different fellow,
and that fella ran off with parsons actual wife. Hubbard
ran off with parsons wife's girlfriend. They're all doing weird
sexual stuff. So who knows.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
But this is just I legally.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Documented relationships I'm discussing. But then there's Marjorie Cameron that's
in the mix, right. She would go on to start
a different cult in Riverside County, California, right outside of
Edward's Air Force Base, right right near the administrative headquarters
of Scientology, right near Cabazon, Indian.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
JJ.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Right, So there's an.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Episode of activity there right with all that, With all
that stuff, they're like, that's not all happening independently and
around the same location.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Fuck No, especially not with like a bunch of the
Laurel Kenyon crew coming up out of Edward's Air Force Base,
you know, with their family and so and so. Keeping
that in mind, what you just said, someone who is
stationed at Edwards Air Force Base and there's supposed to
be a supervisor manager of testing of excuse me, painting

(32:12):
test planes. Would there ever be a time where they
would have gotten trained on what to do with dead
bodies and stuff?

Speaker 3 (32:24):
No, but I'm glad you bring that up, because clearly
someone trained Edward when Edwards to be a highly skilled
and very disciplined assassin, and.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Someone with Randy Craft.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Randy Craft, Yeah, Randy Craft, definitely your spot on me,
and he definitely got some similar training for sure with
the way he operates. It's it's evident, it's evident. Right again,
I'm starting to see patterns amongst all these folks. And
and what I would argue is that that that title
that you described him as is likely just to cover
cover cover, title cover.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
It has to be, right, it has to be because,
like well I was gonna say when I describe a
couple of these victims and what he did to them,
I just don't Maybe I'm not a rocket science a
scientist JJ.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
But neither was Jack Parsons. But look what he achieved.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Well hear me out. I just don't know when the
proper disposal of a dead body would come up in
the painting test planes class, Like I are those two
things they do do they Is that like an elective
class you can take. I mean, like, what the fuck,

(33:33):
how does he know this stuff?

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Well, I would say it's again something similar to the
reason why Edward. When Edwards continually gets issued the same
credentials and fake, fake IDs, passports and Social Security cards
under the name doctor James Garfield Langley, even before he
and after he gets out of state prison in Montana.
What I'm saying is we're dealing with similar programs of
cover stories and cover ideas, and it's tough to discern

(33:57):
the facts when we know that there's obvious subterfuge at hand.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Absolutely. Wait, I mean, so, I know you're gonna touch
on Marjorie Cameron right quick, but I did want to say.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Oh, I was just gonna point out that cult. No,
that's all I was gonna point out.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Was that cult oh oh outside of Edward's Air Force base. Yeah, yeah,
with the sex magic and the yep.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Well, you were talking about the Laurel Canyon crowd. That's
precisely who she's associated with. So part of her cult
was Dean Stockwell, Kenneth Anger. This is the nineteen fifties, right,
So this is before Laurel Canyon. Right, So you have
that same predecessor crowd, the Laurel Canyon scene and the
Manson family scene around this cult in Riverside County in
the post Agape Lodge. So Brent branching the two errors

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right the forties, late thirties and forties to the sixties
is branched with Marjorie Cameron, Kenneth Anger, Dean Stockwell, the
actor I'm missing, oh, Dennis Hoppers involved in this, right
m M.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
That is so so crazy and it has to be
connected too because.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Look at the name the children.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Yeah, well, a.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Lot of connotations there, right.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah. So I was gonna say, Randy Kraft, and I
wanted to get your thoughts on this. He only served
thirteen months and he was supposedly discharged on medical grounds
because he told his supervisors that he was gay. Do
you find that credible?

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Well, that would have been the disposition of that activity
for sure.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
I mean if you told him that even when I
first joined before the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell
on to SERRA two thousand and nine or ten, and yeah,
have you said that, you would just immediately get it.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
You would get a general discharger. Yah, that's how they
would do it.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
But do you find that it could be just like
a likely cover to send him on his merry murdering way.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Well, I don't. Yeah, I don't think it's I don't
think they're mutually exclusive. It could be both. It can
me both.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Let's take a quick note here before I take this
on the screen. Note Julia and the repeating patterns we
see here. So, while in Mexico, and this is the fifties,
Marjorie Cameron began doing blood rituals in the hopes of
communicating with Parsons. And then you'll see when she heard
the unidentified flying object had allegedly been seen over Washington,
DC Capitol Building, she considered a response to parsons death.

(36:23):
So this is what I mean by these people are
all doing Thelemit rituals, blood rituals, and they're also ancient
Ilian cargo cults.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Yeah, they are. Oh my god. So maybe he was
dismissed because he was gay. I actually think it's a cover.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
I think I think that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
It's both right, it's a convenient way to shitcoat it
because he is obviously an ardent homosexual and the Sado
massachist of that.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Mm hmm. And what makes it interesting to me is
because Government Cheese was said to be a brilliant genius
study had a high IQ. That's his name, man, that's that's.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
No, that's gonna be the title. I'm gonna put that
in the title Mind Control Murders and Government Cheese.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Yes. So he was said to have like the super
high IQ. And after his time in the military, he
immediately found employee with an aerospace program y and he
worked for this aerospace firm for the majority of the
time that he was ripping and running through dude's buttholes.

(37:30):
So a lot of rip, a lot of ripping, a
lot of running, but he keep he kept getting away
with it, like he would be caught in the act
JJ of some of the most debaucherous shit you can imagine,
and they'd be like eh, and they would just let
let him go or give him a probation or or

(37:53):
nothing at all.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
Same thing we see with Ed Edwards as pal Charles Manson.
The same thing we see with Ted Bundy when he
escapes per goes to airports and gets an airline ticket
under his name Ted.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
Bundy, Well, right, right, so okay.

Speaker 3 (38:09):
Nothing like excame prison, being wanted by the Feds and
state police and being like, you know, I'm gonna go
get a book an airline ticket under.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
My own name.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Yeah, because he knew just like I think government cheese.
And actually Jeffrey Dahmer because that night that one little
boy is sipped and the police returned to that victim
right back up to his apartment and was just like,
enjoy your butt sex and like left or whatever.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Enjoy them rip some runs.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
So what you're putting out here, if I may, is
you're pointing out a pattern of behavior here where this
is repeating pattern behavior. They're always let out and stuff,
and you'll see that and the reaction of these individuals
when they are finally arrested, they are utterly shocked and
in all because they've been allowed to operate with impunity murdering,
ripping and running buttholes and stealing the shit and doing

(38:54):
hood rat shit for so long. When they're finally busted,
they don't understand it because they've been allowed to do
these things under some sort of mission in operation.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
JJU stole the words right out of my mouth because
when I tell you how Randy Kraft got caught, You're
gonna shit your pants, and like, how how shocked he
was that he even got caught, because every.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Time, every time, every fucking time.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
So the first victim that he got caught with was
a thirteen year old little boy. He found him, took
him back to his apartment, gave him an overdose of drugs,
raped him, beat him, and then he left for work.
And somehow this little boy got out, made his way
to an emergency room. He told the police where to

(39:38):
go to the apartment. This little boy had to get
his stomach pumped, he had to get all types of
medical treatment. And the little boy was like, yes, this
man drugged me and raped me and beat me, and
there was no charges ever filed against him. That was
his first victim, a thirteen year old boy.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Oh shit, So that sounds all like Michael Locino in
the Presidio incident, when a young a young female victim
identified intimate details of the inside decorations and furniture of
his home, let alone identifying him as Mikey in the
base PX And yet no charges.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Right, no charges, no, And and it keeps it keeps
going like that. And what you'll find is he actually
killed about seventy young men and boys over his ripping
and running Butthole's career, and the majority of them were
United States Marine Corps officers.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I saw that, dude.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, he's even operating on some of these barracks installations.
Who's letting him on there?

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Who's not letting him? Thank you?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (40:42):
I was an MP in the Air Force for twenty years, ma'am.
You ain't getting on a base unless you fucking know
some shit and people.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
You have to have at least a cat card, some
shit something.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Yeah. Yeah, let me shure you. If you do some
weird shit around some barracks, folks are going to call
that in, you know what I mean. And you got
to know some ship to people to make sure nothing happens,
you know, I mean to have some top cover, if
you will, right right.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
My ex husband worked out an Air Force base and
it was hard to even let me get in because
we would go to like the bowling alley and stuff sometimes, and.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
The security forces guys were dicks.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Huh yeah, they were so. I mean, I find it
interesting that he was able to get to these Marine
Corps officers so easily. He killed a bunch of Marine Corps.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Yeah, it seems almost targeted, right, Marine Corps.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Yeah don't. I don't think that's an accident at all.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah, I mean he could just be like I really
like Marines, where someone could be like, this is who
they're targeting.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
And again, and I'll look into it.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
I haven't gotten a chance to yet because I'm really
interested in the victimology and who these victims are and
where they come from. Obviously, because I'll give you another
example here in the moment when we get back to
some more tales of Laural Canyon with Leno la Bianca
in his background, because that's fucking interesting relative to matters
of Edwards Air Force Base and whatnot. But nonetheless, it
is the victims. I think these are our targeted things.

(41:59):
And again, when your tail with all these Marine Corps officers,
you have to ask, what the fuck is really going
on there?

Speaker 4 (42:05):
What do you think about this in relation to the
information you brought up about the the uh what is
it like a cult that was right outside of Edward's
Air Force Base or it was what would you call it?

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, I don't know their exact location.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
I just know they were in Riverside, California, and the
same location as Ewards Air Force Base, and the same
locations is the administrative worldwide headquarters of the Scientologists.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Well, what would you call it? Like a religious sect,
a cult? Huh?

Speaker 3 (42:43):
I would call it an offshoot of Thelma. It was
an offshoot of the Gopy Lodge of the Ato.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
Okay, because I meant I saw that it mentioned sex
magic in there and like a bunch of weird stuff.
So what do you think about Randy Kraft ritualizing his
victim in like a specific way? What would what would
you think about that?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Well, I'm I'm glad you said that.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
And again this is this is an offshoot of the
Yappe logist is Jack Parson's wife ex wife, you know,
he his second wife there, Marjorie Cameron. So and you
can see here even in writings from Gerald Yorke here
from Wicked Folks, right, he's talking about the Lima stuff,
because the Wicked stuff all, it's all Wicka is an
offshoot of Thelema as well. And they all they all
embrace Crowley. They're all talking about we love Carola. Here

(43:26):
we go and speaking of embrace, embracing his THELEMI beliefs.
So we see that over and over again.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Again.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
This is an offshoot. So we were talking about the
sado masochistic uh rape and torture, especially of males. That
is right out of Crowley. And I'll bring up a
quote in the moment, but that you're spot on with
this is Craft's activities are fucking thelemic as shit if
you asked me so.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
For example, one of his signatures was that he would
burn the victim's eyeballs out with the car cigarette lighter.
He would bite their nipples off, he would shove ballpoint
pins down their penis holes, and he would he would

(44:10):
cut and he would literally right, but he would he
would rape them obviously in the bee hole, and then
he would cut their penis and ball bag off and
then he would a sock up the bee hole. That's
how he ended up getting caught. Is his signature was

(44:31):
a sock up the bee hole.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
So what do you.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
What do you think about it? But I have heard them, well,
what what do you think of it in regards to ritualism,
because this is this goes beyond like, oh, this guy
just like strangled some dudes and like threw him out
on the side of the road. This is going to
the next level of inhuman debauchery.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Well, yeah, Julie, you're spot on, man. Look at the
West Memphis three victims and the mutilation of those of
their genitals. So and again we look back at the
statements of Alistair Curley and these people who are adhere
to them. And Alistair Curley believed there were three forms
of sex magic autoerotic, heterosexual, and homosexual. He claimed that
by performing specific so specific sexual rituals for different things

(45:24):
is how I take it right. He claimed that by
performing specific sexual rituals, including sato massochistic sex rituals on
young boys, one could achieve financial gains and personal success. Further,
for the mutilation in genitals, the sadomasochistic acts of burning

(45:47):
things nipples and biten.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Shit off and bhole socks of b holes.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
And whatnot, look no further than the motivations of the
people that they of the religion they claim.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Right, it has to be, because it's like, there are
a lot of things that make me think that this
is very similar to Ted Bundy and to Jeffrey Dahmer,
because Jeffrey Dahmer did a lot of weird stuff with
the genitals. He did a lot of weird stuff about
like hacking and slashing and eating and cannibalizing and like

(46:18):
keeping parts for later. And you know Ted Bundy was
a necrophile and he was doing a bunch of weird
stuff like this, and it's like why, we're why. It's
like they go beyond just killing the person. They're like
shoving socks up bee holes, they're cutting penises and ball
bag off, they're people's eyes out, Like what is this,

(46:42):
j jas Well, it's.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
It's the whole hog effect as I explained it.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Man, it's the it's the they're going to get the
most utility out of out of the situation. So not
only is it ritual human sacrifice following the seemingly the
words of Curly they're and uh, not only is it
probably hits in many of these instances, it's all also
causes chaos and terror processed Church style and accordance with
Eric Trist Tavistock's Social Turbulence paper from nineteen sixty three,

(47:08):
which seems to indicate precisely the outline and framework of
what the process does in trist In the process invaded
America at the same time, and back to Laurel Canyon,
Eric Trist the founder of Tavistock and writer of the
Social Turbulence, the philosophy of causing chaos and terror on
a society in which to mold it. Would then go
to UCLA. His son would become the manager in music

(47:29):
publishing company president of the Grateful Dead, And I would
argue this goes in line with Bill Colby's folks and
his machinations of Operation Gladio to achieve the same goals.
And we look at folks like Michael Aquino, who was
a Colby queer. That's what it's working title. All of
Colby's people. I'm calling them Colby queer's not because of
their sexual natures, even though that may be the case,

(47:50):
but because they're strange and unusual. And we have a
hard time explaining these matters in our day and age
and relating to whatever the fuck's going on, because these
people have made it intentionally strange and unusual and hard
to explain. But if Dave McGowan was alive today, he
claimed that Bill Colby brought Project Phoenix home and that
was the Serial Killers. And if he was alive today,
I think he would adapt the same thing that I'm

(48:11):
saying right now and say that What they did was
with that is built a Satanic framework what's called Satanic
murder Ink. So in order to get folks to do
hoodrat shit, you got to have a framework in which
to recruit folks and operate within this network. So they
built a Satanic Murder Inc. Network through these Satanic cults,
beginning in nineteen sixty six with a colby queer Michael Aquina.
Now he would argue that he doesn't join the Church

(48:32):
of Satan until sometime between sixty seven and sixty nine,
which I'm narrowing down and I've got five different dates
as due claims he first meets Levey and then later
joins the Church of Satan. What I'm saying is he's
bullshitting on all of them. He was there from day one.
Because this is much like the Mafia's murdering. This is
Satanic murder Inc. And they're going to do their hood
rat shit the same way, but they're going to use
this framework of Satanism in which to accomplish it. And

(48:54):
that's why we see in McGowan's program to kill folks
like Richard Ramirez getting a one on one with Anton
Levey and San Francisco before his terror campaign in Los.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
Angeles too much? That's too much, right, So what would
you say about I wanted to kind of like touch
on something you mentioned just now, what would you say
about these guys are kind of mixing business with pleasure

(49:24):
because they wouldn't do it if they didn't enjoy to
some degree as well.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Well, they're not mutually exclusive.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
So let's take a look at Edward Wyn Edwards I
said he got picked up in Portland in nineteen sixty
for lovers lane. I said he was probably most likely
and a likely probability is the guy like Berrys and
the Zodiac mask in September sixty nine. He He also
is convicted of doing two different lovers lane murders, one
in Wisconsin in eighty and one in Ohio in nineteen

(49:51):
seventy seven.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
So what I'm saying is it doesn't have to murder
folks in lovers lanes. It's it's not.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
What you're saying is they're not mutually exclusive. They're not
business and pleasure. He mixed both. So that's what that's
what I mean by the whole hog effect, And it
is a bit so. Not only is it the whole
hog effect, economically speaking, ritually speaking, they're gonna achieve whatever
they can personally speaking. So Ed didn't know his father.
He was a product of a one night stand in
the x seat of a car, and his mother went

(50:17):
to prison immediately thereafter, and he had a lot of
other issues with this. He was identified of being a
psychopath at the age of thirteen, and the root of
his psychopathy was this issue with his parents in this
lover's land situation in.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
The back of a car.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
So, look how Ed achieves all of his murders in life,
all overwhelming majority, it seems a lot of them. He
targets his victims, but then targets them to do them
in a chaos terror event and a ritualistic human sacrifice,
but chooses to do that in a lover's lane because
that seeks his that achieves his personal ends.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Right, Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (50:50):
Yes? It does, it does. And that's what I kind
of see with Randy Kraft because it's, like I said before,
the level he goes to destroying the body and the raping,
and like the shoven ballpoint pins up up the penis
to then still cut the penis off. It's like it's

(51:13):
too much, Okay.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
I like wh ma'am, because that's exactly how I read
it when I looked into this too. It's the same shit.
He really enjoys that right he has to.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
And you know, there was another instance where there was
this guy, uh, what's his name? I think his name? Yeah,
it's Keith Crotwell was the victim. And even though the
police literally caught him in the act, he had taken
this boy and drove around with him. And then the

(51:44):
next day they found his body in a jetty close
to where he was last seen and he had been decapitated.
He had a sock in the bee hole, he had
all the markers that he was brought in for questioning,
and the Los Angeles District Attorney office said, nah, I
don't think it's him, and let him go. And if

(52:06):
they would have done their job, they would have prevented
another like thirty to forty men and boys getting murdered.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Was this big leosi.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
So it didn't list the name, it just said the
Los Angeles District Attorney's Office at the time of the
crime declined pressing charges against Craft, citing that the autopsy
remains were inconclusive. Even though this little boy had been
seen in Randy Craft's car by several witnesses, and Randy

(52:44):
Craft himself had said that, yes, he had been driving
around with him all night, and even though he had
a sock in the booty hole and was decapitated and
all this shit, the Los Angeles District Attorney's office did
not want to press charges against him.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
And this was nineteenth one, this.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
Was nineteen seventy five.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Oh well, Vincent Bigleyosi left in seventy two.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Okay, so it must have been a different guy. Do
you know who took excuse me, do you know who
took over?

Speaker 2 (53:18):
I'm looking that up right now.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
I know Charles Manson's personal friend, Ira Reiner did not
get elected until nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
So whoever this middleman was in between those two literally
let Randy Kraft walk even though he had clearly decapitated
in booty whole. SoC Yeah, another young man. Interesting and
it's like he if they would have, if they would

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have pressed charges against him, because there was plenty of evidence,
they would have saved at least thirty more boys from dying,
but they didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yeah, I keep saying anything about nothing.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Uh bar Jonah, I'm like you know that that processing
and Judge you let Ted Kennedy walk as a special
prosecutor and chapiquick if he didn't let Nathaniel bar Jona
out for Lord Nathaniel barr jon had told the judge,
I'm gonna he says, he says he's gonna kill, rape,
murder and eat children. And the guys said, yeah, you're
you know, well, you're joking, right, even though he'd already
done that five times before, or attempted to murder, and

(54:22):
he'd he'd raped young boys and found and you know
again found one nearly murdered in his trunk.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
That's got him in the prison, you know.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
So, yeah, he wasn't joking when he told the judge
and judge, yeah, you're joking right. So had they not
done that and had and then four weeks later, had
they not give him probation when he reoffended you know,
a ten year old Zachary Ramsey that was kidnapped and
numerous eyewitnesses saw bar Jonah with him, an unregistered and

(54:48):
non sex offender who was not reporting to his probation
officers speaking of accountability, and numerous eye witnesses see him
with him in nineteen ninety six. In December of ninety
six and Great Falls, Montana, the town I look my
first assigned in the Air Force in the town I
lived in for three years. So I know, folks, I
know all these stories from first hand accounts and whatnot,
not just from reports on the interwebs and whatnot. And
again I came face to face with Nathaniel bar Jona

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in two thousand and one. I saw pure eval And
in two thousand he may have served me human meat
burgers at the local heart is where he worked. But
I argue that had anyone done anything, Zachary Rams and
the other children would not have been rape, murdered and
eaten by Nathaniel Barjona.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
Isn't that The saddest part is like how many victims
could have been saved? But it was clearly an orchestrated
attempt to get this guy back out on the street.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
I say the same thing, man, And they always claim
matters of national security like a kino, like the finders
and so on and so forth, of matters we've never
even heard of, because they've deemed it matters of national security.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
Well, something else you might find interesting is that government
Cheese kept a scorecard book, which is why he became
known as the scorecard Killer. But he detail seventy victims
on his scorecard that he murdered, raped, and put socks
in their bee holes. And he also had photographs, not polaroids,

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photographs of all of his victims, and they couldn't find
where he was getting his photographs developed. And at several
of the crime scenes there were two sets of footprints
in the sand or in the dirt nearby where the
victim was found, alluding to the fact that he definitely
had an accomplice. So very much like Sun of Sam,

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very much like Zodiac Government Cheese most likely had an accomplice,
somebody who was developing these photos for him, somebody who
was helping him dispose of bodies, probably somebody helping him
with the murders and rapes as well, because you know,
he was said to push his victims out of a

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moving vehicle going over fifty miles an hour down the freeway.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
So that was that move, that was his move.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
That, yeah, but it doesn't seem likely because some of
these guys were like to over two hundred pounds and
he's gonna what, open the door, push him out, close
the door, all while driving all seeing him you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Just like, what if he drugged him first.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
You well, they were they were dead by the time
he pushed him out.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Oh, well, it's possible. I don't know. I just they ought.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
These sick fantasies are intriguing. So bar Jonah would would
incapacitate his young child victims by he was a three
hundred pound man. He would just start sitting and bouncing
up and down their chest.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
Mmm.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
So everything you just described about the details of Brandy Kraft,
his mode of operations, and profile all applied to Nathaniel
bar Jones activities in Great Falls, Montana from nineteen ninety
six to two thousand.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
Well, I'm finding that there are a lot of these
guys that fit this exact mold, that are almost kind
of like obscure in a way, because until I mentioned
this guy to you, you had never heard about him.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
But until I mentioned Paniel bar Jonah to you, had
you heard of him.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
I had never heard of him.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
And these are And that's what I'm saying. So we
both are now presenting two different examples.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
We both have done a lot.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
What I'm getting at, Maname, is we've both done a
lot of studying the mind control of SaaS as the
serial killers and all these sick bastards were describing here,
and we both now have presented two examples from both
ends where we hadn't heard of these folks, right, but
we're all seeing the same patterns still regardless. So then
it also caused me to wonder how many more of
these folks have we not identified the same patterns of
in our't household names, like the you know, the ones

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we've already identified, or you know, like the scorecard killer
who I'm I had never heard of, and you know what,
I'm gonna call him the Hardy's cannibal, whom you had.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Never heard of?

Speaker 4 (58:55):
Right, we have government cheese and Hardy's cannaburg.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Yeah, my bad yet government cheese.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
I mean, it's just it. They're they're two peas in.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
A pod and like, no, seriously, yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
They have so much in common. And like with with
government cheese, not only is he getting onto marine bases,
he's getting onto like Al Toro Marine Air Air Base.
He's getting onto like I could go on and on
JJ there's literally he was just ripping and running through
the Marine Corps. Nobody's nobody's no, nobody's noticing, like these

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guys are just turning up dead with socks and their
be holes, and like nobody's put into and two together
seventy dead bodies later.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
And didn't he dump some of them on some of
these military installations, yes, yea, yeah, then that causes the
jurisdictional situation where now the military police are not in
orient too.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Yes, And so like this whole time, as I said before,
he's working for this aerospace firm, and every single time
he is sent out on business quote unquote, it's to
the it's to the Portland Seattle area. And when he
goes on business quote unquote, five to ten more victims

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show up on the side of the road with socks
and their bee holes and their penis and ball bags
sliced off. And he literally raped, murdered, and dismembered young
men and boys from California all the way to Portland,
all the way to Seattle. And he did this, like
I said, for for a decade and just nobody noticed.

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That seems unlikely as fuck to me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:43):
But I mean, let me let me give you two
follow up points here real quick. So in regards to
not only a government cheese and his dad, well, Nathaniel
Barr Jones family lived. His father and mother lived in
Great Falls, Montana, despite being from you know, near the
Boston suburbs, massa jusets.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
They lived there because of the Air Force base. His
father worked there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
He was in the retired Air Force and in the
aerospace industry much like government cheese and his father right. So,
and on top of that, when we talk about the
military investigators and police down there ignoring all these things,
that ncis Naval Criminal Investigative Service for those marine installations,
and the and the marine MPs on the base both
ignoring these things. When we look at this circumstances compared

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to other again establishing patterns. I have seen the Air
Force Office of Special Investigations report on the murder, well
the quote unquote suicide of John Carr, to state that
I know it exists, and I know they forwent any
jurisdiction on the matter and allowed the local sheriff's department
to investigate it despite being on proprietary jurisdiction on the

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Air Force base.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
So they wrote a report on it. But then they
look the other way.

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
Of course, they all that that's what they do. It's
like their modus operandi. That's how they work.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
And since I told that story about the Air Air Force,
and I don't want it because that's a very the
whole son of sand community. That's a wild bunch. But
I don't have a copy of the report. I went
to grad school in Washington, d C. When I was
at station there, and I went to grad school with
an Air Force office with special special Investigations. They're they're
one of their chief and listed people at their headquarters
there in DC. He was my classmate for eighteen months,

(01:02:28):
and he always wanted to be my friend. So he's
always bring me in different reports. You know every week
when we we we would come in for a weekly class,
right you know, to get you know, like three at
four hours every Thursday. It was a fucking hell of
a schedule. Four hours ever, like every Thursday night, so
from like six pm to ten pm.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
You know, it was shitty.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
But nonetheless, uh, he would bring me in all these
different reports over those eighteen you know, after about six
months when I meet just tell me to go fuck
off because the guy was a tool, you know, and
I was I had I don't know anyway, you know,
he wanted to be my friend, He's always bring me reports.
So at one point in time, and I wasn't into
any of the son of Sam, I wasn't into any
of the shit. This is two thousand and eleven right

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twenty twelve, late t eleven to twenty twelve, that time period,
you know. But one time he did bring me that report,
and you know, I didn't even un grasp a lot
of the details, and I remember a lot of the details.
But what I said to him was why the fuck
did they give up jurisdiction on this case? And he
just shrugged his shoulders. That was me because again, it
makes no sense to me right looking the other way

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in a matter like that. They have proprietary jurisdiction, meaning
they can tell anyone else to go fuck off. They
don't share jurisdiction with anybody that's on an Air Force,
federal installation and federal property.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
I mean JJ. The thing to me too, is like
they came up with this theory that government Cheese was
putting the socks in the bee hole because he had
military background, and he was doing that to prevent the
body from purging before he could get it dumped at

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the dump site. And that was something that they would
teach people in the military. They also found that most
of the victims had tissue papers shoved down their throats
and in their nostrils. But again, when would he have
learned this when he only served for thirteen months and
all he did was paint test planes? Like when does

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that come up in the in the painting class, like
fucking putting socks and be holes and putting tissue paper
down the throat and doing all that, Like when would
that have come up? When would that have been a
necessary skill to learn to paint a plane? Like am
I retarded?

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Or like you know, I'm glad you picked up on that,
because obviously he was trained in which to do that
to avoid evidence being disseminated at locations when you're druyk
transporting a dead body to a dump site. So Edward
and Edwards didn't do the same stock buttole routine, but
he was trained in similar activities. He has framed so
many people from murder over the years. Every murder that

(01:04:55):
ed committed, he would frame somebody for it. Everyone do
so by planning evidence, everyone, and he's documented in it.
He's he's documented in in uh In, in Narket, murdering
folks and then informing to the police and the FBI
on folks that he murdered, and then testifying against the
folks that he set up on more than one occasion.

(01:05:16):
Mother someone trained him out to do these things, plant
the evidence. And really what he's doing is the same
thing Mark Furman did in the OJ case, blowing up
the case from every ankle on both sides, because what
Ed's doing is causing such chaos and discord amongst so
law enforcement. In large part, I think they're dumb. I
think some of them are co opted. I think some
of them are cult members. But in large part what

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most of them are just ignorant and or you know,
buying into the magic shows that he will so that
you know, when when you go into a scene that
there's evidence planted, there's no other conclusion to reach. They
reached the only seemingly reasonable conclusion they can, right. And
I'll use a case you you know for what damn well,
uh very well, and that is the John Benay Rams

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the case.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
So that's a case where everyone they look at the evidence,
and again, some of the people in Boulder co opted,
some of them are cult members, and some of them
are just dumb. But what I'm saying here is, uh,
you look at that case and the only reasonable conclusion
by a reasonable officer what in law enforcement they call
it objectible objective reasonableness. And I think d understood that
very well. And I think someone trained him because uh,

(01:06:23):
and I'll get to Ed how he might relate to
these matters in a moment, according to Detective John Cameron's
study of the matter. Detective John Cameron's, by the way,
is the man who brought Nathaniel barr jonat is justice.
By the way, the guy that studied Ed Edwards. So
he the guy's legitimate homicide detective. He makes you know,
I don't subscribe to all of his theories on Ed.
But what I think he's describing about Ed that he

(01:06:43):
doesn't quite grasp is that Ed was the general in
that handed death cult that henryly Lucas describes.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
Oh okay, all right, all right, I'm tracking with you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
So what what John Cameron's identified is a mode of
operations within that death cult of assassins that I think
Ed was the leader of. And that way, when you
look at all of what John Camer's put together on Ed,
he's attributing so many crimeston well Ed is very prolific.
I agree, he didn't do all those what John Camer's
identified as a pattern of behavior and a mode of
operations that Ed was in charge of. So in that regard,

(01:07:16):
whether or not ED was directly involved with John, but
or not, I don't know. But what you find is
evidence in the John Binney case despite all of the
objective actions of you know, the objective evidence that can
be extrapolated from the scene, the only conclusion you could
reach is how did this dead girl get into the
basement of this home with a ransom letter next to her?
And the parents knew nothing about it? So they were
going to say, well, the parents did it, and that's
been in dispute ever since. Mind you, that's not what

(01:07:40):
the details say, is it. Though, that's not what the
forensic details.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Say, is it. No.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Actually, I've spoken in great detail about the forensic evidence
and it tells a completely different story.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
So they have just a real quick run down and
I'll and I'll bring this ED connection to a quick
John Camer's three on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Ed here and no quick resolution.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
So the forensic evidence was support the twine was not
sourced from the home. The duct tape on her mouth
was not source from the home. There was a stun
gun mark on her neck, no stun gun on the home.
And also there was DNA found on her underwear and
her leggings, which they initially tried and blood, you're right,
And they were trying to describe that as saying somebody
in the manufacturing process left this DNA on there, and

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then they decided to compare it to the DNA on
the leggings and say these leggings and the under were
manufactured in different locations. There's no way that's possible. So
that being said, somebody seems to plant in blood and
DNA on that young girl. And I don't think it
was the purpose and the DNA that in my opinion
and the opinion of John Cameron, I think he makes
a good point. The evidence that that would lead to
would not be ed edwards despite he may have in

(01:08:49):
fact been that secret Santa Claus that John Benny was
talking about that she was going to see on Christmas night.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
Well, I did find that David McGowan did areat job
kind of seeing what you're saying in program to Kill
about John Benney. There I believe that there was a
lot of eyes wide shuddering going on around John Bennet, Yeah, so, and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
I and and uh, I agree with you know, they've
released four pages of the eighteen page grand jury investigation.
I'm sure you know about ten years ago, and it
says right there in the grand jury that the Ramsays
were not guilty of murder. They were guilty of obstruction
of justice and covering up the scene and their daughter's
death and introducing her and negligence introducing her to an
environment which she could she would then face these.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Services, right. That's why that's that's where the eyes wide
shuttering comes in, because I think they helped.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Whatever they helped, I think they helped the cover up.
I think they called in the heavy hitters if you
willed to do the job.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
So John Benney told everybody for two days prior to
a murder that this Sam was coming to visit her,
three days prior to murder that Sam was coming to visit. Well,
from the twenty third to twenty fourth, and all of
the twenty fifth. Night of the twenty third through the
night of the twenty fifth, she tells her mother and
numerous people that Satna is going to come visitor on
Christmas Night, not Christmas Eve, right, So that that begins

(01:10:10):
on the twenty third during a Christmas party. It happens
after the Christmas party at the Ramsey House in the
twenty third, the same Christmas party, someone calls nine to
one one.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Right, I was gonna say, nobody knows about that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
So John Cameron presents interesting theory that would have been
Ed who would have infiltrated to the family through the
church or this cult, these eyes wide shut things which
probably actually operated through that Evangelical church. In my opinion,
it's a different story altogether. But Ed would have been
and this is how we integrate himself many times faking
to be a psychiatrist, a law enforcement officer, or a
church member.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
So he would do all these things to integrate himself
intolks life, to frame folks for murder and et cetera,
and accomplish these tasks. So Cameron presents that he was
the one at that Christmas party the call nine one,
the test response of Boulder PD. And then he was
the fat guy with a white beard who told John
Benay that he was Santa Claus Coue see her on
the twenty fifth, and then in fact, the evidence planted

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in that DNA and blood was not gonna be eds
and edsm that would have been a different person would
have connected to a different murder. So he murdered a
guy in Ohio just a few months prior, and it's
very likely that's the one he admitted to and got
the death penalty. Four in two thousand and nine, the
murder of a man that he adopted forced to go

(01:11:25):
into the army, and he adopted a nineteen year old man,
convinced them to go in the army, convinced them to
go a Walt murdered him for the two hundred and
fifty thousand dollars insurance policy, hid his body until after
John Benet's murder, and it seems like what he was
trying to do in the FBI and game. This maybe
why we've never heard about the DNA evidence in that case,
because the DNA evidence led to Danny Boy Edwards, and

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then that opens up the can of worms on ed.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
Day.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
That's John Cameron's theory, and I think he makes a
strong argument because they've never wanted to mention the actual
evidence of that DNA and I suspect like John Cameron
says that dead evidence would have been Danny Boy Edward's
blood in DNA, and ed would have the dead adopted
son he just killed and made it go a ball
for the insurance check and the one he would later
get the tath penalty for. So we know, I mean,

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we know all the details of that murdering. Folks can
go on YouTube and watch Old ed in prison describe
the details of how he planned, plotted, and did all
these things. He moved to a town in Ohio and
did this from day one, plotting out this whole situation
for two years. This is how diabolical he was. He
would rent, he would charter air private aircrafts. We fly
all around America. This dude never stopped murdering. But I

(01:12:33):
think he never stopped organizing murdering through this hand of
death cult network that I think.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
He was the general of WHOA Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
And you know how there was always a question with
a ransom note in the Ramsey case. How did they
know John Ramsey's exact bonus and that ransom note? And
why would you leave a ransom note for a kidnapping
next to a dead body? Right, because again this confuses everybody, Right,
This is ads, and no one's gonna have any idea
what's going on when you put a dead body in
a basement with a ransom note, right, that's going to
confuse everything. You're exactly You're only going to look at

(01:13:04):
the parents because that's the only logical conclusion any objectively
reasonable party could make, despite yet what the evidence says, right,
because then how else would anyone get in the house.
There's so many other questions. What I'm saying here is
these were all Ed diabolically planned. All of his merged
for a long period time. But the knowledge of that
that bonus well Ed's sun worked for the Denver office
of Lockheed Martin, the same Lockeed Martin that purchased John

(01:13:28):
Ramsey's business in nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Axis grets.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Wow, So Ed could have worked I'm saying his son
was complaicit. I'm saying Ed could have worked the same
way Ed worked in life through his son to get
that information.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
This is a total new uh theory. I guess if
you will for me, because I obviously have covered John
Bennet at nauseum and I never could like put a
name to the person who was probably responsible for it.
But I always said it had to be some eyes
wide shuddering going on, for sure, and the parents were

(01:14:05):
complacent in the cover up for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Well, and I'm gonna get too far off Kraft, but let's
just do a quick comparison. So Manson too, Bill Mentzer cocaine,
Bob's buddy from the roy raid and murder who got
indicted with the head of the Median cartel in America,
Karen Greenberger. No one talks about that. You know, they
were all indicted together. Bob was on a dineda co conspirator.
He pled the fifth thanks to Robert Shapiro, OJ's attorney. Anyhow,

(01:14:32):
if you look at that whole situation regarding you know, however,
how how Bill Metzer's story breaks down. According to burk Witz,
He's brought in as the heavy hitter Manson two, an
ultimate evil, to take care of the snuff film and
Stacey Moskowitz, I argue ad served the same purpose coming
in for the Zodiac and that snuff film. So if
we look at all these heavy hitters kind of operating
under this hand of death style kind of operation that

(01:14:52):
I ed was in charge of, you know, when we
start seeing this pattern operations, these eyes wide shut parties
or these cult cells in different cities call in the
heavy hitters when they want to get something done. And
Ed was never according to Ed's chiltern, he was never
home on Christmas throughout his entire life, right, and when
did John Benada on Christmas? So Ed was known for
the Christmas which.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
Day sif you weren't eyes white shut sell of these colts, right,
if you were an ice white shut sell of these
colts and you wanted to call on your Christmas heavy hitter,
that is Ed. And Ed's got his whole situations seemingly
all over the business.

Speaker 4 (01:15:32):
So I guess now I have a name then, for
this anomalous person that I keep referring to in all
my John Benay episodes. I knew it had to be
someone and it obviously the parents were complicit in the
cover up, but I, until this moment, didn't have that name.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Yeah, well, let me share with you in the Cosmic
Peach audience a little bit more on Edward when Edwards
where they can check out some more stuff on Operation
GCD for further But when I say he knew Charles
Manson and fifty two, when I say that he operated
in a very similar project Chaos CIA situation. By AD's
owne admission, he gets the identity of James Garfield Langley

(01:16:08):
in November of nineteen fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
Five in Key West, Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
So I said, what's going on in November of nineteen
fifty five in Key West, Florida. Well, it just so
happens the CIA is plotting the overthrow of the Batista regime.
And there's photographs literally with Fidel Castro there at the
same time in Key West with the CIA in November
of nineteen fifty five. So and again Ed gets that fake,
that same James Garfield ID after he goes to prison
in Deer Lodge, Montana and then later gets picked up

(01:16:33):
under that ID. And he also gets married under that
ID in nineteen fifty five. And I have two different
births or two different marriage licenses here for that activity.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
So that's is Edward Wayne Edwards one.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
And that's a recent discovery by me, and John Cameron
printed this in his book. So I don't think what
I'm saying is, you know, ten years ago when John
Cameron did his study, he didn't have access to some.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
Shit that got released recently.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
So but we can prove here that once again, John,
that Edward Winn Edwards is getting this fake, seemingly CIA
cover name and credentials time after time, getting picked up
and released and escaping places folks looking the other way.
So what I'm saying, you know, it seems like we're
looking at a circumstance here regarding characters such as Charles
Manson and every remembers in this whole kind of handed

(01:17:15):
death thing that seems very much orchestrated by some matters
of national security, if you will.

Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
M hm, Well, I actually don't have too much more
to add about Government Cheese. I did want to tell.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
You how he got I keep forgetting his name's Government Cheese.
I love that name too. I want to tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
How he got caught. And I actually want to go
over some other killers that I came across that were
functioning during this same time that I think you might
find interesting, that are in connection maybe with Randy Well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
I'm definitely gonna find them interesting because I think they
probably all work for.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
Ed right, That's why I that's what made me think
of it. I think that this is part that Government
Cheese himself could have been part of this cult. But
he didn't get caught.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
I don't see how he's not looking at his profile.
I don't see how he.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
Fished the same he's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Socking the butthole and everything, right, you know what I mean.
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
What I mean by that is what I mean by
that is he's not leaving evidence anywhere. I think he's
the first guy I've heard of the sock in the
butthole routine. But what I'm saying is he's not leaving
any evidence. He someone trained him to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
Somebody had to have And it's like you said, they
almost get shocked when they're caught because they've been doing
it so long. So he started in what was it
what I say, in the sixties, right, he started in Okay,
he started in nineteen seventy two, and he wasn't caught

(01:18:49):
until nineteen eighty three. And the only reason he was
caught is because he was observed swerving in his vehicle
down a freeway and he was pulled over and he
was made to do a sobriety test, and he failled

(01:19:12):
a sobriety test, and the officer went to search his
vehicle and noticed that there was a man who he
thought was passed out in the passenger seat with a
jacket covering his lap, And as he removed the jacket
from the man's lap, he noticed that his penis was

(01:19:32):
halfway cut off and he was dead as luck.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Yeah, and so sounds like Bundy, right, sounds like Bundy
with his getting pulled over with the seat out of
his volts Wagon.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Like it's this guy's cllly murdered people, right. But here's the.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
Thing, JJ, he was not arrested for having a dead
man with his penis halfway cut off in his passenger seat.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
He was a rosi his house right right?

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
Oh, I was just gonna say he was only arrested
for driving under the influence. They did not even though
he had a dead fucking body with his penis halfway
cut off in the passenger seat of his car. He
was only charged with driving under the influence. And it

(01:20:22):
wasn't until later when they found all the dead guy
photos and the blood and all this other stuff in
his car that he was eventually charges were eventually pressed
against him, and he got the death penalty. But the
scorecard that they found had at least seventy murder victims

(01:20:44):
on it, but they could only charge him with sixteen
based on the evidence, So he didn't even go down
for all of the victims, and there was potentially even more.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
What was the evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
It seemed kind of murky A lot of the evidence,
like many of these right, they were attributing victims with
to evidence. And you see all the other guys that
are killing in and around him at the same time
when he start plotting out all these murders, so many
dudes doing the similar activities he's doing at the same
time in the same place as in the seventies, and
there's no evidence. Again, a lot of these victims are attributing,
so I don't know how they attribute.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
It to whom.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
So the way that they were able to get at
least sixteen of the seventy was from his scorecard where
he would have where he wrote the victim's name and
then he had photographs of their dead body and the
uh signature of the sock in the bee hole was
kind of how they were able to get and also

(01:21:38):
Stemen samples.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
That's fair, but well, I guess I was referring to
the outlying other ones, right, Like how do they even say, like, oh,
he almost did seventy because he got Patrick Kearny out there,
same time, same place, doing the same I don't know,
the sock and the bee holes, but similar victims.

Speaker 4 (01:21:53):
Well, actually it was said that they had a hard
time catching Randy Kraft government cheese because of Patrick Kearney.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
And this guy, right, William Boonen, Right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
William Bonnen is out there raping and running through boys
as well.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
But you know what, the same time. What's going on here?

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
They're all but but but they're all ripping and running
through young men and boys at the same time in California,
And they all have similar backgrounds. Like Patrick Kearney, for example,
was ripping and running through dudes be holes, and he
was dismembering and necrofiling his victims. He also was in

(01:22:37):
the Air Force. He was in the Air Force, and
Patrick Kearney became friends with Lee Harvey Oswald while he
was in the Air Force. And he said that he
worked on top secret military language operations with Lee Harvey
Oswald while he was in the Air Force, and then

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he later became one of the most prolific serial killers
to ever live. Does that make sense to JJ?

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Are you fucking kidding me? He knew Lee Harvey Oswald.

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
He knew Lee Patrick Kearney who ripped and ran through Yeah,
let me see it, says Patrick Kearney murdered and dismembered, disemboweled,
and cut his victim's hearts and lungs out, murdered at
least twenty eight young boys in southern California between nineteen

(01:23:32):
seventy one and nineteen seventy seven. Was in the United
States Air Force and uh befriended Lee Harvey Oswald and
worked with him in top secret military language operations and
took a trip with him to Mexico City for unknown reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:23:53):
Well, hear me out, I did not know that. Maybe
I appreciate bringing that to my attention. Here's what I want.
That's that's some that's a that's a well, that's a
lot of details there, ma'am. So that would be my
as you see, my my brain is currently being blown
here because that's a major factor.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
I keep drawing a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
So I've been drawing a lot of these circles around
a lot of these characters, and a lot of things
go back to, as I point out, from Trickye Dixoning
and the Watergate tapes, the Bay of Picks, the Bay
of Pigs thing. So that's fucking interesting. But if I
may point out, and my may, I'll definitely be getting
back to you on that note as well in the
future when I look into that subject more.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
But this got you know their connections there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:27):
But if I made one thing I saw between him
and Craft and it to me, it also relates in
my opinion, to the incidents and activities around the death
of John beIN a Ramsey and it goes back to
that Thuggie cult. You know I've discussed before relative to
the Four Pie movement, and they're alleged the four Pie
off shoot of the process, and they're alleged uh ritual

(01:24:51):
venerations or incorporations of philosophies, theology, theologies and rituals of
the Thuggie cult, Cali worshiping, Shingon Buddhists right, shing gan Bood.
It seems to be the elements of that four Pie
movement who did as text style murders, eating hearts and shit.
So we see that going on here. But with the
thuggy aspects, we see this garrot, this tie, this torture

(01:25:11):
and device with the ropes and stuff, the same thing.
We see these guys do with Kearney the same thing
we see Craft do Government cheese and the same thing
we see John Benet with that twine was victim too.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
And William Bonnon the other murder. If you click on him,
you'll find that William Bonnon also used a garrott, also
is raping and running through little boys buttholes. And Patrick Kearney,
Government Cheese and William Bonnon were all called the Freeway Strangler.
All three of them were called the Freeway Strangler. So

(01:25:45):
they're all doing it together right right, But it's it's
just like Son of Sam and Zodiac. It's like it's
not one fucking guy. The Freeway Killer is William Bonnen
and Patrick Kearney and and Government Cheese. They were all
running through little boys be holes.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
I'll be honest with the Government Cheese has been ripping
and running some buttholes long before Randy Kraft. But I
do like the nickname, you know, literally, you know, government
cheese being not good for your butthole, you know, unning
literal government cheese.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
There was something else I wanted to mention to you
about Patrick Kearney though, to see if if you find
this absolutely crazy. So the way that he's, you know,
necrofiling his victims and doing this weird stuff. It's very ritualistic.
And he's friends with Lee Harvey Oswald worked with him
in military language school and military language operations. And he

(01:26:47):
gets an honorable discharge from the military, moves to Long Beach, California,
and he purchases a yellow Volkswagen Beetle that he uses
to pick up his victims in just like Eddy.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
And just like the son of Sam.

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
Oh my, gosh, he had a yellow Volkswagon.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
No, but one of the members of the colt did
it was it was seen at numerous of the of
the crimes as the getaway vehicle.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
Well think about that, JJ.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Repeating patterns, ma'am, smaller circles, Drone smaller circles.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
So kind of to sum up, I did want to
just mention some other serial killers that were in and
around this area in California. Obviously, we have the Zodiac
assumed military background, the Manson family military background. But then
there's Joseph James DeAngelo, also known as the Golden State

(01:27:44):
Killer or the East Area rapist. And he.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Didn't mean interject, but there's no way that's that's the
same pattern.

Speaker 4 (01:27:54):
Right, Yes, what do you think about Lonnie David Franklin Junior,
also known is the Grim Sleeper. He was active in
South Los Angeles? Oh? Yeah, did you cut out? Sorry?
Where was I at when you cut out?

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
I was having connectivity issues, you said, James Joseph D'Angel,
And I was just pointing out that's another pattern.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
That's definitely a team.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
Oh, definitely. The next one I said was Lonnie David
Franklin Junior, also known as the Grim Sleeper. He was
active in South Los Angeles in nineteen eighty five, also
military background. Have you heard of him?

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:28:36):
But I mean we're talking Charles Manson's friend being the
personal friend be and at one point in time a
defense attorney for Leslie Crenwinkle during the trials in nineteen
seventy the Manson Family trials, Ira Reyner. He got elected
District Attorney of Los Angeles from eighty four to ninety two,
and he prosecuted the night stalker McMartin, Bob you let

(01:28:57):
Bob Cocaine Evans walk on the murder Roy Raiden, but
prosecuted the number one member of the Colombian drug cartel,
the Median cartel that is an America Karen Greenberger, and
he prosecuted Manson too, Bill Menzer, you don't think they
knew each other. If he's personal friends with Charles Manson
in nineteen sixty nine nineteen seven, you don't think he
knew Menser too, who was a bodyguard and boyfriend allegedly

(01:29:20):
of Mama Casts. And they're all members of the process, right,
you don't think these people know each other. They definitely
know each other.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
So who's this guy?

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Because I Reyner didn't do he did a lot of
weird things as this attorney.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
He went by the grim Sleeper. His name is Lonnie
David Franklin Junior. He had a military background, and he
was raping and running through women in nineteen eighty five.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
And he's a black fellow.

Speaker 4 (01:29:44):
Huh yeah, Well, the next one on my list was
Richard Ramirez.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
Oh if I made real quick, if I may real
quick on this fella. So there's Toddy Lintini and his tapes.
His interview tapes have been stolen from the sun of
san Archives of ed Senators of Princeton University. I'm sort
of the the archives of of ed Sanators of Princeton
University someone stole our the four hours I believe it
was of audio interviews with Tony Lentini. He was a

(01:30:11):
one percent biker leader who was allegedly a present for
the murder and ritual murder of Eton Pats there in
Westchester County, New York. And he was allegedly deep into
this process movement, right, so he tells the stories of
there was a joint efforts within the black motorcycle outlaw
motorcycle gangs that were also members of the cult to
do the same Son of Sam style shootings in New

(01:30:32):
York City. And uh, allegedly there was these things that
just never got reported on within the black communities there
with somebody doing the same activities. Really, yeah, and somebody,
I would argue, part of this ongoing process church cover
upper movement, these ongoing enterprises. They still I've been to
Princeton and I've talked to the librarian. They someone stole

(01:30:54):
those tapes.

Speaker 4 (01:30:57):
Interesting, Yeah, well, this motherfucker is dead, so we'll never
I mean, we'll never know from him.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
So he gets busted in what year he's always from
Stute Guard. Huh, that's interesting because it wasn't was it
Dahmer or one of those other dudes was over there
in stute Gart in the seventies.

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
Dahmer, Yeah, yep, dahmer.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
So he gets he gets busted in what nineteen? Holy shit,
they got a number of names listed for multiple Yeah,
when does he get busted? Nineteen looks like nineteen eighty seven.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
I thought it was nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
Okay, let's say by January eighty sixth fifteen murders had
been linked to the case, more detectives added to the
joint LAPD Sheriff's Department Task Force. Huh for the South
Side slayer. But by eighty six the case was still
an investigation.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
By late eighty six, conflicting MOS and suspect descriptions called.
Oh there you go, speaking of teams, right, conflicting MOS
and suspect descriptions, Right, so it's.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
Probably multiple assailants.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
Well yeah, look at list one, two, three, four, five
black dudes on this team. Like I just said about
the Son of Sam situation, they had a similar team
of situations going on in the black community. According to
Tiny Lentini, who was in the cult and part you know,

(01:32:27):
high up apparently, and again he got into the cult
by being the security, much like we see with folks
like Victor Thorne out there in the Manson family situation,
a man who's still alive today and very rich and powerful.
And he was the head of I always want to
call it Satan slaves as Gypsy Jokers.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
He was the head of the Gypsy.

Speaker 3 (01:32:43):
Jokers, A similar character to Tiny Lnini, right, very similar character,
and Tiny Linini would later do multiple stents of prison
for raping his own children and child pornography. But he's
dead now. So nonetheless, Victor Thorne is still alive. Whether
or not he's still involved in hood ratshit activities of
outlaw bliker gangs and these satanist.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Cold activities, I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
But what I can tell you is it seems to
be repeating patters we see amongst these outlaw blicker crowds.
So when I take Mantini's statements as despite his background
as being rooted in at least largely fact right, so,
you know, when these tapes are gone and we don't
we don't have anything to look at anymore, you know,
I wonder, but we do see these same repeating.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Patters from coast to coast, this black.

Speaker 3 (01:33:25):
Community element right, the African American communities that get terrorized
the same way through elements within their community, just like
the Son of Sam does with elements within their community.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
Yeah, and I was gonna say, with with government cheap.
I think the Freeway strangler was Randy Kraft, William Bonnen,
and Patrick Kearney were all the Freeway Strangler, just like
the Hillside Strangler was multiple people.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
Yep. And they're all multiple people's.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
We're living under a false pretense to assume otherwise the
exception to the rule might be an individual, but the
rules their team, an organized team effort. And it's the
FBI and John Douglas who sold us this false narrative
of the loan only gonna kill blonds, and only gonna
do them at twelve o'clock midnight, and only gonna do
them with seven strikes to the chest, and you know,
very specific patterns, and all that's bullshit. All that's well,

(01:34:15):
there are similar patterns of behavior in meads of operations.
They're not as strict as that John Douglas wants to
convince folks of. And the idea of these perpetration of
these ideas is the same thing we see later in
the landing report, where there are no Satanists murdering people anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
Pay no attention to your senses. Your eyes and ears
have deceived you, as.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Michael Lokino will tell you, mister satanic murdering himself, as
I would allege m hm.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
Well, and you know, so that guy that I mentioned
earlier is being part of the Government Cheese crew. He
was Air Force too, just like Randy Kraft and Patrick Kearney.
William Bonnen served in the Air Force and is suspected
of twenty one plus murders of of little boys who

(01:35:01):
he raped and tortured, just like Patrick Kerney, and just
like Government Cheese, and all three of them came from
the Air Force.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
You mean to tell me this, This this fella with
the pedophile stash and the weird haircut, you know, looking
like he's got that five head going to with What
do you mean by the weird haircut? You can see
his file five head is very prominent. You mean to
tell me this fellow rape fro Murner Schuld. No, I
wouldn't never believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
You look at the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
You know he's got he's got the petter. You see
what I'm talking about? It's got that Petter ridged five head.
He's got the Petter mustache, right, I mean, yeah, I'm
obviously I'm obviously paying things some broad strokes here, but
there is a certain physiotomy that seems to repeat amongst
patterns with these folks.

Speaker 4 (01:35:44):
Well, you remember in Program to Kill Leonard Lake and
Charles whatever the fuck his last name was aimed, they
were also they were also ripping and running around the same.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Time and running, ripping and running, a lot of ripping
and running in that era. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
What about Samuel Little he was supposed to have confessed
to killing ninety three people in California.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
Yeah, they got them for a funeral Ohio too, I think, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
I think there was some in Ohio actually, But so
that's actually the end of my presentation. But think about
what I just said, Like all of these serial killers,
William Bonnan, Patrick Kearney, Government Cheese, Richard Ramirez, the Hillside stranglers,
Leonard Lake and Charles Ing, you know, Lonnie, David Franklin, Junior,

(01:36:40):
Joseph James DeAngelo, I mean, the Charles Manson, the Zodiac Killer.
They're all coming out of California and they're all ripping
and running during or close to the same timeframes. What's
up with this.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Saying it seems it even seems more organized when you
realize that they're all being shipped there. They're all being
shipped there their military jobs, the aerospace and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
Right, mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
But another one that I did not mention in that
list that I want to talk to you about at
a later time is the dating game Killer also came
from southern California and was ribbon and running during the
same time, and he knew Polanski.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
So if I may suggest, man, let's do a seventies
TV game show serial killer show, We'll do al Kala
the two times Eddie Edward when Edwards was on the
To Tell the Truth and I forget the other one
he was on. I got to tell the Truth on
cant recall the other show he's on, but he was

(01:37:43):
on two and it was nineteen seventy two and nineteen
seventy three, I think, And then al cal is what's
seventy seven? On the dating game mm hmmmm hm there
was another one that there was a fourth one, there
was another Was there another dating game one or was
there another another game show?

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
I can't think of a serial they're from right now.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
It's a different game show, and I'd actually have to
google it. But I think this is a really good
idea because I find it fascinating how these things are
are not more.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
Think of the logistics, right, How are they getting on
the show? How did Edward Edward travel?

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
How did he travel the country getting on over a
thousand TV and radio shows promoting a book that he
was metamorphosized as a criminal, meanwhile murdering folks on this
national tour.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
The entire time.

Speaker 4 (01:38:33):
What I said, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
There's there's a I assure you, ma'am. I ran logistics
and current operations for the Air Force. I took a
three year hiatus from being a military police in the
Air Force, and I ran. I was working at headquarters
in DC, literally managing the logistics for current operations in
the Air Force, and in a you know, in a
bunker in deep below the surface there you know, you
will my as I call it, my my two and

(01:38:58):
a half year stint in the hole, and I went back.
It was so bad I volunteered to go back in
the military police and go to war. So I found
that more favorable circumstances for me at the time. But nonetheless,
it is these logistics that I'm often concerned about because
as a war planner in the Air Force who manage
current operations, logistically speaking, there's a lot I see the
machinations behind a lot of these projects, and I understand

(01:39:20):
what goes into it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
You know what I mean? You are spot on.

Speaker 3 (01:39:23):
There is a deep logistics to getting on not only
a game show, but the machinations of reissuing credentials to
everyone edwards, the machinations of getting law enforcement offices around
the country to look the other way.

Speaker 4 (01:39:34):
MM one hundred Yeah, I actually have another show I
got to jump on here in a minute, but we
got a plan for that one too, because it's just
like with government cheese, there's too much there government cheese,
man too much there for it to be a coincidence.

(01:39:54):
And I actually want to thank you for indulging me
this afternoon, because when I discovered this guy was like,
why the fuck am I just finding out about this asshole?

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
Well, I felt the same way when he presented them
to me, So I definitely appreciate your time. I am
in the conversation and blowing up my brain hole with
these topics, and again, drawing a lot of small circles
around a lot of these activities across the wide spectrum
of time, geographical distance, and a lot of what I
would call satanic murdering.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
And if you want to.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
Impacting our society today, let me introduce you to nonetheless.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Of Buffalo Jared Orvisa, the.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Guy that my former stalker who wanted to be my
pr rep. And I'm pretty sure he wanted to murder
me and wear my skin as a human coat. And
that's mister Buffalo Jared, who sits today after his multi
state mind control assassin killing spree, the murder victim of
which hired him as his pr Rep. Jared sits in

(01:40:53):
the Buffalo Jared sits in the Bridgewater Statemental Institution, allegedly
because his court cases are not in the actual court system.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Folks check that out on Operation GCD. I did that
a couple.

Speaker 3 (01:41:02):
Sundays ago, the case or the Legends of Buffalo Joe Rivisa.
But that image you just saw was months before that
campaign of murder. And he's wearing a strangely smiley faced,
you know, chaos symbol.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
I would argue of the neo process.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
Lana will go, He's gone trans apocalypse kind of processing
InStyle of you ask me as well, and also within
this whole kind of satanic murdering situation, right within these
mind controlled assassins. What I'm saying is we see repeating factors.
Not only is in that he's in the same mental
hospital then unleashed Nathaniel Barr Jonah to go eat, murder
and rape kids in Great Falls, Montana. He's also of

(01:41:38):
the mind. He's of a the family of these sports
hypnosis infamous sports hypnosis family that broke the curse of
the Goat and helped the Chicago Cubs win the World
Series after a nearly one hundred year drought. And it
was Ken Revisa, his great uncle and the company his
father and him used to work for, the infamous Revisa
sports hypnosis and psychology family that is credited with the

(01:42:00):
Cubs help breaking the Cubs curse and back there a
few years ago in twenty sixteen. So this is a
fellow that I think we see these sam repeating patterns in. Again,
he's currently under seemingly no accountability because his court cases
are not in Connecticut or Massachusetts court systems, and at
least not publicly despite him allegedly sitting in that same
Bridgewater State Mental Hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
And again I would.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Argue, this dude reeks of every aspect of what we
discussed from these fellas in the seventies and eighties that
are going on right now. He went on a murder
campaign last May and ain't no one talking about it.
And the only reason I knew about it is because
I had a Google alert set up for the son
of a bitch because he creeped me out so bad
that I thought he wanted to kill me and wear
my skin as a human coat. Before all this, right
before all this, So my being is you know, these

(01:42:44):
things are still going on despite people thinking this is
going on in the seventies and eighties, this stuff is
still present today.

Speaker 4 (01:42:50):
Well, since this is a swapcast, actually JJ, I would
like you to take a minute and just let all
of the listeners know where they can find out more information,
not only about this as a dick cheese, but all
of your work.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
Well, thank you, ma'am. I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
I appreciate your time and again blowing up my brain
home with these these details and ideas. I've been, like
I said, you presented this craft filled too mean, I
was need to fit into this whole study I'm doing
right now with mapping a lot of these activities. Victim
is doing genealogies, I'll do all sorts of shit, and
he also is I'm very interested in the nineteen sixty
eight Los Angeles presidential campaign of RFK, so one thing

(01:43:27):
not discussed there, and folks can check out an operation
GCD this and many other topics, especially relative to the
process church and folks like Buffalo Jared Rivisa that I
covered a few weeks ago on My Sunday's show, and
Edward Wayne Edwards I covered a couple weeks ago on
My Sunday Show, and Nathaniel bar Jonah I covered a
few weeks on My Sunday show, The Hardy's Cannibal. But

(01:43:48):
I do enjoy your your new marketing campaign of government
government cheese here as well, so I'm gonna call him
the Hardy's Cannibal. But yeah, folks can check that out there.
And I my do a free free Patreon preview of
my Sunday sh shows there on YouTube, Rumble and Twister,
and then I do, uh, you know, my Patreon show
there on those Sundays and on Thursdays, I'm doing the
same thing with a free Patroon preview and the Anatomy

(01:44:10):
of Satanic Panic that focuses around uh. The ideas, the
continued investigation ideas of Dave McGowan and his Program to
Kill largely focused around the psychological syops to mind more
of Michael Akino and his Colby's queers, because that's where
he came from the Phoenix program. So and I'm packing,
how you know, using his own statements, how he's a

(01:44:30):
ball washping a ball he ball washes and Nazi Satanists
and his own words and z own book.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
And I'm also using his own words to prove that
he's using because he'll I have videos of him saying
I don't do I don't do magic on my military time.
In his own book he's talking about doing thelemic rituals
on military duties. So again, I'm only using his own
words in that series, using the words of Alistair Curley
about the sato masochistic torture and murder of young boys
in which to gain personal and financial success, to which

(01:44:59):
to say when he ball washes Curle and Thalma, I
don't care if everyone participates in those extremist views of
what's precisely what Crowley says. Clearly those Crowley words are
being we're seeing those exhibited time after time, and the
ritualistic satomasochistic murder, rape and cannibalism of young children and
young men, and following the prescription with especially these mutilated

(01:45:22):
gentilia like we've described to night, we seen with the
West Memphis three as well. This is repeated time after time.
So I'm not only unpacking some of the more. I'm
not going over the high profile murders in that series.
What started off doing is just unpacking the psychological operations
focused around A Kino his activities in the presidio, and
then spotting off from there on different tracks of how
we see these replicating patterns of behavior time after time,

(01:45:45):
over and over in these same precise syops to mine
more that we get today. When I packed last week
a documentary from two tenty twenty three in an interview
given by the filmmakers called Satan Wants You and they
are literally and I compare and contrast that to Keyno's
own statements from his book. Is his email communications with
Dave McGowan back in two thousand and one on these

(01:46:06):
topics which are hilarious, and we see the same pattern
behavior from a Keno in two thousand and one to
a Keyno in twenty twenty to these folks in twenty
twenty three, and it's the same statements, the same ignorance
of all these things, in the same perpetration of the
same propaganda. So ploks because I got that series there,
and then you joined me quite often here recently for

(01:46:28):
some film reviews, Julian, we got some more of those
coming up on those from my Wednesday shows are going
to be film.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Reviews from this going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:46:33):
And then Fridays I do a roundtable in which I'm
always looking forward for future roundtables of this nature.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
So hopefully you'll join me there.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
Yes, I would love to. I'm so glad that we
met because we have so much in common in as
far as the topics we like to cover. I feel
like you understand a lot of the stuff that I
try to present on my show, and sometimes but is
easily digestible as one would think. You know, I talk
about Laurel Canyon, I talk about Program to Kill, I

(01:47:02):
talk about you know, it's too much to be a coincidence.
There's definitely something more going on. So I was really
excited when we met because it seemed like you were
already tracking with me and we understood what the fuck
was up right away.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
You ain't kidding, You ain't kidding. I reciprocate those same thoughts, man.
When you drop the name Tuesday Weld on me, I
was like.

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
All right, there you go talking about Yeah, yeah, that
was actually really good's deep? I enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
Yeah, I love that episode. I've listened to a couple times.
I don't usually listen to a lot of episodes. I'm like, oh,
because every because here's the thing. Every even in conversations
with you, I learned you blow up my brain hell
every time, man. But then I have to re listen
to things. So I'm like, she makes some good points here,
she makes some good points here.

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
Well, thank you, I think so much joining me tonight too,
because I feel like this was a barn burner, as
you would say, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
A real barn burner.

Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
I got a few tabs open to continue some reading
here tonight, and I appreciate your time for sure. Yeah,
J And any any more closing thoughts on that note,
We'll just end it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Then it'll good to go.

Speaker 4 (01:48:07):
We're good to get all right.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Thank you and thanks for the folks of the interwebs
and the cosmic peach folks of the inn webs.

Speaker 5 (01:48:14):
Doctor, my eyes have seen the youth and slow great
of that Fright now I want to understand.

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
I have done all that.

Speaker 5 (01:48:29):
I could see the evil and the glue without hiding.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
You must help me a few can, Doctor, Tell.

Speaker 5 (01:48:44):
Me what it's for them moment, for so m

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