Meta Mysteries| The Orphic Egg

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
You created everything. Look put a powerful being you are.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
You did these things, but now you're in a human body.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
You forget the power you have.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
What you do is what the whole universe is doing
at the place you call here, and now you are
something the whole universe is doing, in the same way
that a way is something that the whole ocean is doing.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
You're doing, You're doing what you imagination. Welcome to Mata Mysteries,

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where you don't know what you don't know. My name's Jonathan,
I'm shown in. Today is going to be a fun show.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Sean.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
We are getting into the orphic egg. I'm actually surprised
we haven't talked about this yet.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Well, I mean, I think you have mentioned it before,
but I know nothing about this thing. You know, you
look at it and it's like, okay, I think I
might have seen this thing before, you know, and just
in passing. But I'm really interested just to kind of
see the meaning and what it all holds.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, yeah, dude, it's actually deeply symbolic. And that's what
we're gonna be getting around today. This is like mystery
school shit. Just so everybody knows. And that's what I've
been We've been trying to do a lot more like
mystery school kind of things and understanding the ideology, understanding
the philosophy, understanding the gnostic understanding, and the deeper meaning

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entrenched within literature and symbolism and stuff like that, and
really trying to become ourselves initiated.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
You know, well, I think ultimately that's what it is. Really,
it's a story of us, you know, and if nothing else,
even though you know the meaning of certain things maybe
back then wasn't exactly accurate, it's still interesting to see
kind of where we've come from, and you know, the
certain things that were revered back in the day.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And I just love these these
deeper realms of thought that people go into. Dude, imagine
like back in the day. And you know what, I
just had this thought recently. I was like, man, how
awesome would it have been to been like an ancient
like Greek philosopher or something like that, and that's just
what you do all day, you just philosophize. And I

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was like, well, I mean, wait a second, that's that's
what you do. That's what we're doing right now.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
There are certain days, man, where I mean most days probably,
but there are certain days where I'll be at work
and you know, I'm doing my job, but a lot
of it doesn't take like a whole lot of my
my brain. You know, I can do it with my
eyes closed at this point. And so all day long,
that's all I want to think about, is to the
deeper shit. And when people want to have a conversation

(02:58):
about some stuff like football or whatever. Nothing against you know,
people that like football or anything like that, but I
like it seems like lately I only want to talk
about the deepest shit, the most meaningful stuff. You know,
as you said before we started recording that it's like
we're on the back night. It's time to really start
making some sense with some shit. Yeah, yeah, for sure,
And that's something.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
And don't get me wrong, I love football too, But
ninety nine percent of my day, whenever I go into
deep thought, it is trying to crack the code of
what are we doing here? What is the meaning of
all this? And yeah, you know, uncovering a lot of
the ancient people like what they used to theorize and
philosophize and try and come to somewhat of an understanding.

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And so today I thought, man, I was actually, I
was flipping through the pages of The Secret Teachings of
All Ages by Manly P. Hall, and you would, you know, so,
I mean just a regular day. And I was like,
because you know, we've we've when we first started the show,
we were we did a couple episodes on some of

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the chapters in that book, and we got to like
a couple of them, we were like, I don't even
understand what that he's saying right now, you know. And
and I was like, I wonder if we can understand
it a little bit more nowadays.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
I think I'm almost certain that we can at least
understand fifty percent more than we did when we tried.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Back in the day. For sure.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Yeah, I mean I think we did an okay job,
you know, up until the point that we got and
once we got to a certain point, it was like okay,
but we clearly just weren't ready yet.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Right right, and and and so I was flipping through
the pages and I was thinking, oh, that's cool. There's
one on like sacred minerals and other sacred geometry and
stuff like that. And then I saw something that was
the orphic egg, and I was like, I've seen this
symbol before. I've heard I've heard of it, I've read
about it, but I don't really know the deeply entrenched

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symbolism because and for anybody doesn't know it is it
is an egg that has a snake wrapped around it.
You've you've seen that symbol before and probably many of
different ways, to be honest, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Or even the staff.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
I mean, I know this isn't the same symbol, but
the staff with the serpent wrapped around in it, there's
something really deeply entrench with that, the concept of this
serpent wrapping around something. But the orthic egg in general,
I mean, it's gonna be interesting.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Well, it's the I mean, that staff is the caduces,
and that's the medical caduces really and and so there's
always seems to be some kind of snake and I'm like,
you know, we've done I think we've touched on snake
symbolism and stuff like that. Today it's I think it's
going to bring it full circle as far as what

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the snake could symbolize across all different snake symbolism, but
especially within the orphic egg snake symbolism as well. And it's, dude,
it's going to get you excited in your toonies.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Okay, all right, man, I'm filling the tingle already.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Take us there, man, all right, So imagine, before the
universe existed, there was silence, no stars, no planets, no light,
only darkness and infinite potential. Out of this void floated
a single shining egg, the container of all that ever
was and all that ever would be. When it cracked,
light burst forth, and creation itself was born. This is

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the story of the orphic Egg, a symbol that has
traveled through time, mystery schools, and esoteric teachings to represent
not just the origin of the cosmos, but also also
the awakening of the soul within you. Today we'll dive
into this deep ancient mystery, the myths, the meanings, and
the mystical parallels hidden inside the shell of the cosmic egg.

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All right, all right, you're excited for this.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Oh oh man, annoy you.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Okay, So before we do that, I want to show
the actual picture in the book. And I took a picture.
This is my own picture right here that I took
of the book of the Cosmic Egg, out of the
secret teaching and uh and it just says it right here,
And this is going to make you excited, all right.

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The meaning of the orthic of the orphic egg according
to mainly p Hall and everything that he was able
to gather, all right, So the or the orphic egg,
it says, the ancient symbol of the orphic mysteries was
the serpent entwined egg, which signified cosmos as encircled by
the fiery creative spirit. The egg also represents the soul

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of the philosopher. So the egg represents the soul of
the philosopher, right, okay, the serpent represents the mysteries. Hmmm,
isn't that interesting?

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Right?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Okay, it says, at the time of initiation, the shell
is broken and man emerges from the embryotic state of
physical existence, wherein he had remained through the fetal period
of philosophic regeneration, selfic regeneration. All right, all right, this
is a like a reborn kind of situation going on here.

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That essentially what they're saying here with this, at least,
what the orphix used to say is that until that
snake wraps itself so hard around the egg, that is you,
you are a child. Yeah, I mean not a literal,
you know, human child, but a child as far as
your understanding of the cosmos in existence in general, and

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once that egg starts to crack, then what is born
is now you initiated on the other side, understanding the
mysteries to a greater extent.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Or could it be even not even just understanding it,
but just looking into it and really trying to figure
it out.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
You're not within the egg stuck in your way, stuck
in how you think things are.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
And then when it cracks and you come.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Out, now you're starting to really look into how things
really are, you know, yes, I mean just my interpretation
for example.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
And and just to take this a little bit farther
as far as the here let me stop sharing now
real quick, as far as the uh what was it called?
The shit? Well, I just had a thought and I
totally lost it. Oh I'm sorry. Here we go, So
as far as the even like the Freemasons, for example, okay, okay,
so you have thirty three degrees of freemasonry, not all

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not all forms of freemasonry. They have Scottish right, and
a bunch of different types or a bunch of different types, right,
But within the freemasonry that everybody is you know aware
of you have thirty three levels to it, right, and
that's why they say the highest you can go is
a thirty third to thirty third degree Mason. Well, the
symbolism of thirty three is interesting, right, because you got

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thirty three vertebrate to the human spine. Jesus lived till
he was thirty three.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Or thirty four. That's kind of like of debate, I think,
But anyway.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, maybe thirty three point three or something, who knows.
But also what's going What happens at thirty three is
that ice melts to water at thirty three degrees? Yeah, right,
because it's a solid form at thirty two or up
to thirty two, and then the thirty third degree, you're
no longer frozen in time, You're no longer stuck in

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that orfic egg. The egg starts to break, the ice
starts to break at that point, right, And so just symbolically,
thirty three is hugely symbolically, Yeah, hugely symbolically. It's big thing,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Interesting?

Speaker 2 (10:25):
So all right, so I just wanted to show that
picture and also wanted to give a little shout out
to our boy Ronnie Pontiac. We we don't I believe
just a few days ago where we released a throwback
episode and we didn't want to, but you know, scheduling
and all that kind of stuff, and we were like,
all right, if it's going to be a throwback episode,
we gotta do the Ronnie Pontiac episode because that guy

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was on something, especially being especially being the understudy of
Manly p Hall like nobody else in it something like
nobody else in history could ever say that.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
I still can't even believe we got him on the show,
Like it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, he was awesome and had great hair.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Oh yeah, amazing.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
So so yeah, that's the orphic Egg. Now we're going
to get into a little bit more orphism ultimately, you
know where the orphic egg comes from. Orphism is a
mystical Greek tradition. So orphism was an esoteric religious movement
in ancient Greece, rooted in the teachings attributed to the
mythical poet Orpheus. Unlike the popular Olympian religion of zeus

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Hera and the Rest, orphism was concerned with the soul's journey,
purification and the eventual return to the divine. It had initiations,
sacred hymns and secret cosmologies that weren't for the masses,
but for the seekers of hidden knowledge. Already, you're like,
all right, this is as mystery school as it gets right.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
At the heart of orphic myth is a creation story
that does doesn't begin with chaos ruled by Gaya and
Urinus like Hesiod's theogeny, but with a primordial egg. This
is a striking departure from mainstream Greek thought. It immediately
sets orphism apart as a mystical current, mystical current emphasizing unity,

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hidden potential in the divine emanation rather than brute force
and divine conquest. The orphic egg is in this sense
a teaching device. It doesn't just tell where we come from,
but where the soul is destined to return. Like the
mystery initiations themselves, the egg suggests a hidden truth waiting

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to be cracked open by the initiate, its own spiritual awakening.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
I just love stuff like this. It's awesome, dude. It
seems familiar though it do so.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Then we get to the birth of the cosmic egg.
The cosmic egg, the orphic egg, dude, there is ending
research for this episode. I was shocked at the amount
of egg symbolism all throughout history and and by the way,
the uh so, there's been like a lot of UFO
whistleblowers and stuff like that lately, right, and the most

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recent one was Jake Barber who talked about dude, he
himself was the helicopter pilot that picked up a egg UFO.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Oh really, so we're.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Gonna be getting into a little bit of that too,
because could we be talking about the same thing. I
don't know. I'm just saying, maybe there's some symbolism there.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
Any chance we get to talk about aliens, dude, I
know we don't even do it enough, but it's it's
really the one thing that got me into really trying
to look into.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
What what else is out there? What's going on? You know?
And so yeah, we got to get into aliens a
little bit more, I think, yes.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
So, according to orfic cosmogony, before the egg, there was Kronos,
which was time, and a nake, which is necessity. These
two eternal principles swirled in the darkness until from their
union a silver cosmic egg emerged. The egg itself floated
in chaos, a vessel of infinite potential. When it finally cracked,

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light bursted forth, and from within emerged Fanes p H
A N E S. I don't know if that's how
you say it, but that's how it looks. Fanes, which
is the androgenists, radiant first born god.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Okay, okay, like the og, that's that's what it says.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, so not necessarily literal in that sense, but just
you know, we'll understand it a little bit more the
more we read. So, Fane's name means to bring light
or to reveal, which is interesting because I already know
what the Christians are going to be saying about that.
Oh he's androgenousts and he's a light bringer.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
You mean.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
The devil or Lucifer or Beel's abub, you know with
the uh with the two fingers up and the two
fingers down. Meanwhile, that dude, you know, the Bapha met,
the Bappha met that everybody's aware with, with the two
fingers up and two fingers down, with the you know,
the horns and the boobs and everything that wasn't even
created until the eighteen hundreds. Oh really, yeah, that's not Oh,

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it's not real.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Oh okay.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
People people are just like, see, that's it's Bapha met symbology.
I'm like, bro, the Bapha Met wasn't even like, yeah,
the Baha Met name had been talked about, but that
picture that you're referring to not even close. It's that
is that is a cult. That is a cult Baphomet.
That's not the same thing, right, So anyway, I know

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that people are gonna fight me over that, but that's fine.
So anyway, Fane's name means to bring light or to reveal,
which I find just did not even go off topic again,
But I find it so fascinating how people are like, ooy,
he's going to be revealing. He's on a shed light
on something, He's going to illuminate. It's like, and that's

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a bad thing you want you want to live in
not understanding, Like I'm sorry, Like me personally, I have
a thirst, Like I have such a thirst to understand
what we're doing here that I can't just be like
I'm blindly faithful, I will do as No, I can't

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accept that, like if there is a way to try
and understand now, I mean we all of course, a
lot of this information it's just it's contemplation, That's all
it is. And which is you know, the it's it's
the belly of philosophy is contemplation, I would say.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Right, yeah, And I think the only real danger of
it if if at all you know is you can
you could probably spiral at some point. I'm sure the
mind is very powerful, you know, and so it could
take you to a place of you know, maybe you
feel like you're losing your mind because you're just constantly
absorbing more and more and you don't really know when
to stop the spinning, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
But I don't know. I'm right there with you, man.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
I feel like if there's something that I don't know,
I want to know, and we come across a lot
of things that maybe we'll never know, but I still
can't help but ponder.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Well, and that's the thing is that I feel like
you can get lost in just about any realm of thought. Really.
Think about Pythagoras, he had a number cult. He was
just obsessed with numbers and a bunch of orgies and
crazy stuff. But there, and that's actually the Orphics were
actually heavy into orgies as well. But we're not going
to go there, right because I don't believe in throwing

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the baby out with the bathwater. I think that there's
you know, there's a good information even in the darkest
corners of every back alley, you know what I mean.
But I just I don't know, let's keep going, because
I just wanted to throw that out there, that people
are so quick to assume that something is demonic or
evil just whenever they see such terms as light bringer

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or light bearer or knowledge bringer or Sophie. And meanwhile,
all these things are just trying to are just trying to,
you know, distill wisdom and understanding to you, and somehow
that's a bad thing. I just never understood that.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Ultimately, it's just something different, you know what I mean,
That's what that's really why it's bad, you know, in
their ice, I.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Think, right right, So, your boy Fanes his name meant
to bring light, or to reveal. He was crowned, winged, radiant,
and carried the scepter of authority. He was the ordering
principle of the cosmos, the divine light that transforms chaos
into creation. This story reflects a deep symbolic truth, before

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any manifestation, before any thought, before any quote unquote you,
there is potential waiting to emerge. The breaking of the
egg is the birth of consciousness itself. It mirrors both
the creation of the universe and the spark of awareness
awakening with than the human being there.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
It is.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yep, that's evil though, you know that in all of them.
I'm sorry, I gotta dig sometimes I gotta dig. So
Fanes the first born, I hope I'm saying that right.
I'm sure I'm not. But Fanes is a fascinating figure,
often conflated with Eros, which is love, or even Dionysus
in later orphic traditions. Dionysus I believe was the wine god.

(19:27):
Oh I think so. We we haven't really touched on
too much Greek and stuff like.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
That, we did. I have a hard time remembering all
of these entities, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, I just know Dionysus because that's like, uh, for
Marti Gras. A lot of people have Dionysus floats and
Marti Gras you're getting drunk. So people know that one.
So like the wine or the liquor god or something.
So as the being who emerges from the cosmic egg,
Fanes represents the very first differentiation light from dark unity.

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Into multiple implicity. Depictions of Fanes often show him surrounded
by the zodiac will, emphasizing his role as the ordering
force of time and cosmic harmony. His androgyny reflects unity
before division, a being who contains both masculine and feminine,
night and day, spirit and matter. Through Fanes, the gods

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themselves are born. Zeus later swallows Fanes to absorb his
creative power, then recreates the world. Holy shit, that's crazy, right,
I never heard that before. That's my first time hearing
that one too. Yeah, So the message is clear. Fanes
is not just the light of creation, but the very
principle of divine intelligence that permeates all. Without him, nothing

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could exist, and through him all things are revealed. So
you see, like through all of theology, there is always
a main creator being who nobody could ever be like,
and everything from him comes creation. This is a philosophical understanding.
Nobody believes that Zeus is a real god. Okay, I'm sure,

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but even back in the Greek times, these were symbols,
and I believe the same thing goes for for Egypt.
I could be wrong, but I just believe that the Egyptians,
the Greeks everybody knew that these things were just representatives
to try and describe something not necessarily yeah, not necessarily

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a physical being, like even the same within Hinduism. Like
these people I don't believe are like believing that Shiva
is an actual deity in the sky. You know, they
understand the symbolism behind what Shiva represents.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Right, rather more so just the creation and destruction of
of just this natural eternal world we seem to.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Be in, right, And you can, you know, you can
meditate upon the spirit or the essence of said deity
or whatever, right right, and you can even try and
connect with that spirit in a sense. But to say
that these were beings that walked on earth, do I
believe that literally Zeus plucked out his own eye in

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order to have access to all the wisdom, which ultimately
led to him finding all the runes and stuff like that. No,
I really don't. But I love the symbolism behind it.
I love everything it is encoded into the story. People
get so like, people get so stuck in was this

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real or is this mythical? Because if it's mythical, then
then I'm not going to listen to it. I'm like, No,
the myth is what you should be listening to to
try and understand what they're trying to say, because it's
encoded through story.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
That is what myth is, right, And I think when
it comes to myth, you have to almost already believe
it in order to start really seeing it and feeling it,
you know what I mean, internally, And so that's when
it gets it's a little bit a little bit complicated.
Anything that you really look into and you really want
to believe it, you can really trick yourself into believing it,

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for sure.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
But even whenever you believe it, you know what you're
basically what's going on. And this is just my understanding.
I'm not the knowwherre of everything. Obviously, we are we are.
We will never confuse ourselves as teachers by any means.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
You will forever be students due exactly.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, But I think that what is going on with
that is that it's it's all just meant to be
symbolic that even if you are somebody that believes without
a shadow of a doubt the literal interpretation of these things,
what that is doing is that that is speaking that
knowledge and understanding and that vibration to every single one

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of your cells, right, and every single one of your
cells will now believe in Zeus, will now believe in Jesus,
will now believe in name your deity, mythras whatever. Right,
And you're just trying to essentially innate with that frequency
of that belief of that of that character.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Right.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yes, yeah, so your mind thinks that it's absolutely real.
It must be real. Zeus is up there, he's throwing
down lightning bolts, right. Meanwhile, the rest of your body
doesn't really care if you're being literal or not. It
believes it, so it's reacting with it in that sense,
I think, is what's going on. I love that explanation. Actually,
that was good. That was great, Thank you sir. And

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I could be wrong. That's just my own understanding of it.
That being said, the egg as a symbol of unity.
The egg itself is one of the most ancient symbols
of unity and potential. Before it cracks, it holds everything
together in wholeness, the yolk, the white, and the shell.
It's a single container of multiplicity. This reflects the idea

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of the ploroma or fullness that Gnostics later taught. So
that's like the the fullness of God was the pleroroma
before if you want to put a big bang spin
to it or whatever. Before the Big Bang, that was
just the tiny.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Little adimation or whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Right, it's the whole egg, all of everything.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
It condensed in.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, so that was that would be the pleroma the
Gnostics talked about, which would be the undivided totality of
divine before being fractured into matter.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Hmm, Okay, there we go.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
So the cracking of the egg is not a tragedy,
but a necessary process of manifestation. To create the one
must become many.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
God.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
I love this stuff. It's like spiritually poetic. M you
know it do? So the egg, the orphic egg, therefore,
is not just a story of beginnings, but a timeless
truth that wholeness exists before fragmentation, and that every act
of creation is a breaking, a release of hidden potential
into the world. This applies to the cosmos, to human birth,

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into every moment of spiritual realization.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
M damn, let's go baby. It is deep.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
So now there are cross cultural parallels as well. That
you know, the orphics weren't the only one that ever
talked about eggs. It appears all throughout history. Dude, yep, So,
the orphic egg isn't unique to Greece. Nearly every culture's
creation myths include a quote unquote cosmic egg. In Hinduism,
it's the Brahmanda, the egg of Brahma from which the

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universe emerged. And Egyptian lure raw hatches from a primordial
egg laid in the waters of Noon or None. In China,
the universe was born from the cosmic egg that splits
to form heaven and Earth. The recurrence of this image
across cultures points to an archetypal truth embedded deep in

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the human psyche. The egg is the most natural symbol
of life and rebirth to ancient peoples. It was the
clearest metaphor for how life emerges from hidden potential. This
university out, this universality. Damn, I can't say that word universality.
There we go. This universality also shows that the orphic

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egg isn't just Greek, but part of a global spiritual memory,
a symbol humanity it instinctively reaches for when trying to
describe the indescribable moment when nothing became something.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
Mm hmm, so I've been I've been thinking about this
a lot as far as a beginning or if there
even was a beginning, And I'm really leaning and I
think you've mentioned it before, but I am kind of
leaning towards the fact that it just kind of always
has been, you know, like just this infinite regress if

(27:42):
you will.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, I agree, And and I don't mean that, you know,
whenever I say that in my own in my own mind,
because I was thinking about this earlier today too, I don't.
I don't know if that necessarily if the word trying
to describe physicality, you know, the physical world, because they
say that the physical material world is actually emerging from consciousness,

(28:07):
not the other way around. So that means that consciousness
came before anything material, anything physical, right, And this is
something that scientists are actually really getting behind nowadays, that
the physical world emerges from consciousness. There isn't And this
is backwards compared to what most people think. Yep, they
think that because of physical material reality, consciousness comes secondary.

(28:31):
You know, It's like the first there was the dumb caveman,
and now there's the intelligent scholar. Right, But that's not
necessarily exactly how it is. Consciousness wasn't something that that
just like evolved over time. It's that it's always been there,
and as a matter of fact, it was there before

(28:52):
even physical reality itself. So if you look at it
from that angle, you can clearly see that before any
physical reality, it was all just consciousness. If it was
all just consciousness, some people might say that that's just God,
right right.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
I actually kind of get down with that.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
If we are to talk about a God, I would
say that's probably that's probably it for me, you know,
because I feel like it does transcend everything, and especially
if it was here before, if there was a before
physicality at all. I feel like, you know, consciousness was
there before everything, you know, and it transcends. I feel

(29:30):
like it's something that no matter what you know, dimension
you know, or what level you're at, consciousness is consistent
throughout Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I mean well, and especially like through a lot of religion,
they'll say that God has always existed. There was never
a beginning or an end to God, right, And we've
talked about that, but that God essentially not only created
the world, but created us. And I don't know so
if that's true, because if if material out material material

(30:07):
world and the physical world is emergent from consciousness, then
that means that our consciousness was created. If it was,
unless it just always was, that our consciousness had to
have been created before material reality. It had to have been.
There is no other way, right, I.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Mean, I think I think either way you look at it,
then it's still kind of in a sense, kicking the
can down the road, you know what I mean, Like
we don't have a full understanding of everything, and maybe
we never will, just based on how long we live
and how you know, how far research can really get.
But I feel like since we don't know how everything started,

(30:47):
if it actually had a start, we would say, oh,
it was God or now here we are saying it's consciousness,
which I could just get down with more because it's
just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
I guess I just like that better know.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
But either way, I think it's still just kind of
something to put into that place of we just don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yeah, I mean, I agree, I would much rather say
consciousness or the spirit in general rather than just saying God,
because it's like, I don't know, it seems too convoluted really.
So anyhow, that being said, we're going to get into
the next part, which is the egg in alchemy. So

(31:28):
let's get into some alchemy. See where it goes there. So,
in Western esoteric tradition, the orphic egg was adopted into
alchemy as the philosophical egg. See what I'm saying, Like,
there's eggs everywhere, so the philosophical egg. This was both
literal and symbolic. Alchemists often performed their experiments in sealed

(31:48):
vessels called eggs, within which transformation occurred, but the deeper
meaning was spiritual. The egg became the vessel of inner transformation,
the alchemist's own soul, sealed with meta within meditation and
discipline until the inner light could be hatched. The cracking
of the egg was the rebirth of the self into
divine consciousness. Here, the orphic egg moves from cosmogony to psychology.

(32:13):
It becomes a tool not just for understanding the universe,
but for transmuting the inner world of the initiate, cracking
open their limited self and releasing the radiant being within.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
The limited itself.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I like that It's true, isn't it though?

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
I mean, if you are afraid to look into certain
things that might change are not changed, but kind of
crack you know what you already understand or what you
undoubtedly know to be true. It's like, you know what
I mean, I think that's that's what we're talking about here.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Hey, dude, you gotta crack a couple eggs to make
an omelet.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
You know what I mean? Dude? Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
So there's also a Gnostic connection with this as well.
So the Gnostics viewed the orphic egg as a parallel
to their own myths of the pleroma and the fall
of Sophia and Gnostic cosmology. The divine realm is wholeness,
the descent, and to matter is the fracturing, the cracking
of the egg into multiplicity. But just as the cosmic

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egg contained the divine spark, Gnostics believe that each human
being contains a piece of the divine trapped within the
shell of the body. The goal of nosis is to
quote unquote hatch, to break free of the shell of
ignorance and awaken into the fullness of the divine source.
The orphic egg, in a sense, is a symbol of
the human condition, the divine spark hidden within flesh, waiting

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to break open and shine.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Hmm, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
The Gnostics were always on some shit.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah. It always had a good way of putting shit,
you know.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, just taking a story and looking at it from
you know, the what did it mean, instead of taking
it literal, you.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
Know, yeah, And I mean, if you wanted to take
it literal, I mean, you could also look at the
fact that, like we all start in an egg, you know,
and and that's where we are, within the womb, and
then we come out and now we're alive, and we
see the light, you know, we're here now, and so
that's when the universe started for us, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, and I think that it probably started with that
same light, you know. So, for example, they say that
at the moment of conception, meaning the time that the
sperm first you know, goes into the egg, right, that
there is a burst of light, all right, And maybe
that's the soul, maybe that's consciousness. I don't know what

(34:36):
the hell it is, but it has to it. It's interesting,
if nothing less, it's deeply symbolic, if you know, even
just from looking at it from a philosophical point of view,
that as soon as the sperm meets it meets the egg,
that there's that burst of light. And what this is
saying is that you are then born again, once you

(34:56):
are initiated into the into the esoteric myies. Right, and
so as you're you know, you're that sperm and you
go into that egg, right, and now you're there's a union, right, well,
that union, you know. It's it's interesting because it says
that what's.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
His name was?

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Oh shit, what was the name of that god?

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Fans fins so fine. It says that he was androgynists,
meaning that he did he was he was both male
and female. Yeah, well up until the point, so you
have the sperm going into the egg, I think it
takes a little while to determine if it's gonna be
a boy or girl. It's not instant, right.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Oh yeah, I'm actually not sure. I think I've heard
something about that.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah, I don't know exactly in what stage you know,
it's already determined. But I want to say, I don't know.
I thought I I thought I heard that it was
like already like as soon as it happens, it's already
like determined that or or maybe what I heard was
is that it's determined from from the male, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yeah, I don't know what. Yeah, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that would be something interesting to
look into. But and I could be wrong. I'm just
I don't know, but anyway, all right, let's get back
to it. So then, uh so we went from we
went the Gnostic route and now we're going to go
into the egg in Christian mysticism. So maybe maybe it's
uh Rosicrucianism mm hm, which I would love to look

(36:24):
into the rosicrutions a little bit more in the future
because they're definitely on some ship too.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Oh real quick.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
I just looked it up and and the the sex
of the fetus is determined at the moment of fertilization
when the sperm cell. Uh So, as soon as it's
fertilized is when it's already determined.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, so the sperm doesn't know if it's going to
be a boy or a girl until it fertilizes the egg.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
It's like it's the potential of of both. I guess oh.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Wait, yeah, I tell doesn't Yeah, isn't it the woman
that that that determines the sex?

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Though? See I always thought it was I thought I
heard it was the male, but you know, I'm not sure.
But yeah, but right at fertilization is when it's already determined.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Interesting. Wow, okay, so all right, getting back over to it.
The egg and Christian mysticism. Christianity two adopted the egg
as a symbol, most famously with Easter eggs. The egg
became a symbol of resurrection, new life, and the empty womb.
While this is usually presented as folklore, it's actually a
deep mystical continuity with orphic and cosmic egg traditions. The

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cracking of the egg parallels the cracking of the tomb,
which seems sealed and lifeless suddenly and life suddenly burst
forth with life, with light and life.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
So Christ becomes a kind of Feign's figure, the radiant
firstborn of the dead, who brings divine order and resurrection
into the cosmos. Here we see that even traditions that
claim to reject pagan myths ended up reusing their symbols,
often on consciously. The orphic egg and the Easter egg
are two sides of the same spiritual truth. Life bursts

(38:05):
forth from death and unity emerges from hiddenness.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
And the cycle continues it do it do so?

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Then there's the psychological and the Youngian. Carl Jung interpretations.
So Carl Jung and later psychologists interpreted the cosmic egg
as a symbol of the self, the wholeness of the
psyche before fragmentation and dreams and myths. Eggs often symbolize
latent potential or the process of individuation, which would be

(38:38):
the hatching of the true self. From this view, the
orphic egg isn't just a story of the universe, but
a map of the human journey. Each of us carries
an egg within the potential self that must crack through
the shell of the ego to emerge as radiant consciousness. Psychologically,
the egg is the mystery of becoming. It represents growth, transformation,

(39:01):
and the necessary cracking of the old in order for
the new to be born. Every spiritual awakening is, in essence,
the cracking of the orphic egg within.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
That's that's pretty fucking awesome, man. I could really resonate
with it, you know.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Dude, anybody that's ever had like a surely, if you're
listening to this episode, you've had like a spiritual awakening
of sorts, right. And because I'm not gonna lie to you, dude,
I used to be a full on NPC. I could
not have cared less about this stuff whenever I was
like twenty four to twenty five years old. You know,
it wasn't until that there was that little thing that

(39:38):
cracked me open a little bit, you know, like that
first thing that maybe go what the fuck was it?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
What is that, you know, sending you on your endless search? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Yeah, And and I think that everybody has probably had
a time like that. Maybe it happened through synchronicities. Maybe
it happened through you know, maybe you got visited by
an alien or you know, an god or an angel
or Jesus or some kind of deity you know, spoke
to you in your dream, or maybe you experienced something
crazy in meditation, maybe you did way too much DMD,

(40:11):
you know, something like that.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
You know, it's I mean, it might not even just
be something mystical like that. It could be just something
in your physical world that just didn't line up, you know,
and you thought something was one way and oh shit,
you know, so it's like, all right, so now what
else do I not know that I thought I knew.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
You know, Yeah, And that was the thing for me.
It started with conspiracies, which is why I have the
cult of conspiracy, because I was just obsessed with wrecking
the paradigm of this reality that I thought was true, right,
because I was like, if this is wrong, what else
is right? And I got obsessed with learning about every conspiracy.
I just wanted to keep on breaking that egg. Every

(40:52):
single episode was my entire goal. It still is my goal.
And then it became all right, the egg is the
egg is smashed to pieces, right like, there's no more egg.
It is fully exactly I have. I have formed a
union with consciousness itself now and and now I need
to go deeper, which is how Metamisteries.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Was created, right right, Well, yeah, you're starting to fractal
at this point, now, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah yeah, so uh speaking of fractal, the egg as
a symbol of death and rebirth, So the egg is
not only birth but also death. The cracking of the
show represents the destruction of a container, the loss of
a wholeness that can never be regained, but in that
breaking new life emerges. This dual symbolism makes the orphic

(41:42):
egg a perfect emblem for the Mystery Schools. Initiates had
to end quotes die before they die, undergo symbolic death
and ritual in order to be reborn to a higher consciousness.
The egg as both tomb and womb, embodies this paradox.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Wow, that was Yeah, that's pretty spot on, man.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
When you when you do finally crack through that very
thin by the way, it's a very thin shell, you know,
the the shell of anega is super thin, so it
doesn't take much. It's a small little thing that that
kind of bursts you through the veil if you will.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yeah, dude, And it's perfect. It actually like it almost
represents the veil itself.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
That's that's it, you know, exactly what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
And I thought that it was interesting too, because it
said that that the cracking of the show represents the
destruction of a container. But then you hear, like, you know,
a few years ago whenever Bob Lazar went on to
Joe Rogan Show, and he goes, yeah, I was looking
into some files, and you know, I you know, I
visited Sector four or S four and you know, Element

(42:50):
one whatever, seventeen eighteen whatever it was, and but and
and all that was very interesting. But the most interesting
aspect about everything of what he was saying was that
the government, whoever believes that they are in contact with
something up above some aliens I don't know, but those

(43:10):
aliens or those higher consciousness beings or whatever the fuck
is outside of humanity called us containers, which is interesting
because if we're containers and that container can be cracked
like a shell, then that's pretty deeply symbolic with the orphica.

(43:31):
I get that point, right.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Yeah, what all we containing? You know?

Speaker 4 (43:35):
I mean I've heard people say like, oh, soul containers,
you know, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
I don't, I don't. I really don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
I would say that as you know what, I don't
even necessarily know if I even like to use the
word soul, because it's more religious based, right, And that's why, dude,
I just like calling it consciousness.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Like, I think that that is the least like religious
type of way. I don't not that I have anything
super against religion. It's just it's too organized. It doesn't
allow you to think outside the box. You can't question anything,
and if you act outside of those lines, then there
are repercussions. I don't believe in that. I believe that, yes,

(44:19):
we are containers, but symbolically we can crack out from
this container. Symbolically, you know, the chicken eventually gets out
of the egg, you know, And I think that that's
what represents, you know, conscious awakening would be that that
initiation of sorts, that that initial cracking of the egg

(44:43):
to allow the soul to emerge or the spirit to emerge,
the consciousness to emerge. Because you think about it, most
people are not very conscious all day, right, and the
goal is to be present. Meanwhile, most people aren't, and
it takes practice. It's not something that like, oh, I'm present,
you know, my consciousness is now expanded. It's like, no,

(45:03):
You've got to remind yourself to stay present. Like that's
how like like fleeing it or fleeting it is, right.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah, but I feel like too, it can also be exhausting.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Like I've had days, dude, where I just feel like
I'm like constantly in that just that higher state of awareness,
you know, and it's just like that could be exhausting too.
Oh So sometimes I think it is. It's good to
what do they call blue pill, you know or whatever
and kind of just enjoy some shit. And you know,
you don't always have to, you know, but sometimes man,

(45:36):
I mean it's nice though, when you are in that
state and you're just like really kind of trying to
decode every little molecule and like, you know what I mean,
trying to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Oh yeah, And that's the thing. I think that that
egg is is always there as somewhat of a protective
fallback option, you know what I'm saying. I don't know
if we ever fully you know, emerge from the egg itself,
just as long as there's a few cracks and a
couple of holes for us to be able to peek
out and know that there's still something out there. I
think that's plenty really, oh absolutely so. So yeah, I

(46:09):
thought that it was funny how it said the egg
as both tomb and womb, embodies this paradox. So every ending,
every death, is also a beginning. This the orphic egg,
reminds us that destruction is never final. It is the
cracking that makes illumination possible. Which is interesting they say
that too, because every every ending is also a beginning.

(46:32):
This is actually very representative throughout numerology as well, and
it's the same thing even within tarot cards, right, like, ye,
the ten is all it's it's always the number ten
always represents the end of a journey. But then numerologically,

(46:52):
ten breaks down to one, which is the beginning all
over again. So it's the end in the beginning within
ten itself. Yeah, the constant cycle of the journey man. Yes, yeah,
we are so. And that's what they say God is.
They say that if God was a number, he would
be the number ten, because he would be the end
in the beginning, the you know, the alpha and the omega, right,

(47:16):
it makes sense at that point, and.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Then would even with just one more.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
That's what Aleister Crowley said too, as Yeah, Alistair Crowley
actually said that he believed and this is somebody who
literally he wanted to he wanted to be known as
the most evil man to ever exist, right, and he
said that eleven is the most evil number ever created.
Really because it was basically saying that, like, I'm God

(47:45):
plus one more.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
That's that's where he would know about that.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah, that's why whenever you said that, I was like,
hold on, wait a minute, wait a minute, but all
my synchronosities are eleven eleven.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Oh shit, damn path already damn.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
So that's funny for yeah, well it's funny because now
we get into the eleventh segment of this.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Of this episode, right.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Which is the egg and modern science. So interestingly, the
orphic egg can be seen as a metaphor for modern cosmology.
The Big Bang describes the universe as having once been
compressed into a singularity, an infinitely dense point that cracked

(48:34):
open into expansion. The cosmic egg therefore foreshadows scientific insight
by thousands of years. Ancient mystics intuited that all things
must emerge from unity, from a contained potential. The moment
of cracking reflects both myth and physics, as the universe
expanding into time and space. This doesn't mean orphism predicted

(48:55):
modern science, but it shows how myth and science often
circle the same mystery, using different languages, one poetic, one mathematical,
but both pointing to the same truth.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
And they're both trying to figure out the same fucking thing. Dude, dude,
And I like.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
How, I like how you know, because I guess I
used to think as far as like when it whenever
it came to the Big Bang, that there was like
there was nothing and then all of a sudden everything
kind of came out of that. But that's not even
what it's saying. It's saying that it's it was all
everything that is was still in this one thing, and
so there was never a nothing, because you can't have
nothing exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, that everything was all contained in the into the
pinpoint of something something right, which, yeah, and that actually
perfectly parallels what we're gonna be talking about today. We're
moving forward as far as the UFOs as well. Oh right,
So now we're going to get into the UFOs of
the symbology of the egg shaped craft that people have

(49:51):
been talking about literally for over one hundred years and
the newest one. As I said about Jake Barber and
were actually got a clip that we're gonna show of
him describing what he felt during the experience of not
only with the egg shaped craft, but something else that
he called the basically an octagon or an eight gone

(50:15):
He called it an eight gone craft, but that would
just be an octagon. I don't know why I say
it that way. But so, but before we do, we're
going to get into how does this egg tie into
you know, the egg shape UFOs. So there are symbolic parallels.
So the cosmic egg in orphism is a vessel of creation.

(50:38):
It carries life, light, and divine potential across the void
already right there sounds UFO right, UFO is so. The
egg shaped UFOs and modern sightings are described as smooth, glowing,
self contained vessels that seem to bend space, time and
physics around them. Both are containers of mystery, representing wholeness

(51:01):
and the idea of hidden life within. It's no wonder.
Experiencers often describe them as alive, womb like and consciousness field,
consciousness filled, rather than just mechanical ships.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Right m hm, biological almost just yeah yeah, life itself right.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
And then there's the womb of transformation. So in esoteric thought,
the egg isn't just about beginnings. It's about initiation. You
go into the egg, undergo transformation, and come out reborn.
Many UFO abductees describe the inside of the craft as sterile, white,
womb like or egg shaped rooms where they undergo procedures

(51:41):
or visionary downloads. That imagery is nearly identical to the
orphic egg's role as the place of death, rebirth, transformation,
So in that sense, egg shaped UFOs may symbolically or
literally act as cosmic wombs, vessels through which consciousness is
altered or end quotes hatched into a new state.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Reb dude, that's kind up. Man.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
You know, I'm down. I just want to see what
that's about. Even if it's a praying mantis, I don't care.
I mean, I won't see what that's like at this point, dude,
let's do it.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I'm willing to take a I'm willing to take a
probe up. He asked to see what's going on here.
You know, they're professionals about it, I mean at this point. Yeah,
I don't think they're gonna be messing around. They're probably
doing it for a reason.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
You know, oh yeah, with purpose, of course.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
I mean, I'll just say this to the mantis is
out there, if you're just looking for a stool sample,
you don't need to hike you know, your your antennas
or whatever up my butt. Okay, I can just I
can just ship for you.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
I can just do that a cup whatever, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Yeah. Instead they're like treating us like puppies where they
get the little the little fecal sample with the with
the needle looking thing.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah get yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Like, calm down, all right, I'm not into that. So anyhow,
the uh, the vehicles of of gods. This is interesting.
So in Hindu mythology the cosmic egg, which we talked
about earlier, Bramanda gave birth to Brahma, but also later
became associated with vimanas, which means flying crafts of the gods.

(53:18):
So if fanes is the radiant light emerging from the egg,
then UFOs could be modern manifestations of that archetype containers
carrying luminous beings of intelligence. So the Gnostics would say,
perhaps what we call UFOs are arconic or divine emissaries
that descend in egg shaped vessels, because the egg is

(53:39):
the archetype of the cosmic transport, the Universal blue the
universal blueprint for carrying life and light across realms.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Wow, dude, these things have been seen for forever, you.

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Know what I mean, Because it was one point where
I was thinking, like, well, you know, maybe just the
thought of aliens and UFOs was kind of of, uh,
eventually just evolved, you know. But I mean, like Nick
was saying, like explaining all the cave paintings of you know,
seemingly UFOs or orbs flying in the sky, It's like
this is just something that's natural. It's been and one

(54:15):
of the most ancient paintings of Jesus I'm gonna try
and see if I can find it later on. Yeah,
I know, it's when you're talking about but it literally
has an egg shaped fucking UFO that is flying in
the sky behind Jesus's head.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, you're And it's not even like you could U.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
Get confused with that in an angel or a depiction
of an angel that's not at all how they were depicted,
you know, And so this is clearly something else.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
I think it's like deliberate too. It's just like right there.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Oh, they're not even trying to hide it at that point.
So and and also could it be a So when
we're talking about the egg crafts, could it be consciousness technology?
So the orphic egg would be equal to the cosmos
itself contained before expansion. UFOs often appear egg like, seamless

(55:07):
with no visible engines, suggesting a technology based on consciousness
and unity, not mechanics and fragmentation, which is interesting because
anybody that's ever people have described what it was like
to like fly a ufhone That sounds kind of crazy, right,
but even personally myself, I remember whenever I had my

(55:29):
very first past life regression, and I had never heard
of anything like this before I actually thought at the end,
I was like, man, is that kind of silly that
I had in an experience like that? But basically, in
that first past life regression that I had, I stumbled
across like these blue and red crystals or green and
red crystals rather right, and I found that they had

(55:50):
some sort of healing mechanism to them. So I built like,
for a lack of a better word, a pokey center
where you take your pokemon and you haal them in there, right,
That's what it reminded me of. And then we got
attacked by these pirates or something like that, and we
had to find a land to where we wouldn't be
attacked again. So I ended up building out of those
crystals like a fucking spacecraft, right, And instead of there

(56:16):
being a wheel or buttons or anything, I remember saying, oh, yeah,
it goes and it stops whenever I tell it to,
essentially connecting, not even saying anything telepathically connected to this craft.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
I had never heard anything like that before then. I
mean I had only just gotten into looking into aliens
and stuff like that. I never heard of these crazy stories.
But then you hear so many other people and their
experiences of maybe going on to the craft or having
another past life regression, or maybe it was some psychedelic
experience or something like that, where they are having the

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experience of almost being one with the vessel that they're
part of. And you look at the egg and it
doesn't seem to be like something that would be built
like a spaceship, you know what I'm saying. It it's
almost a live itself And if it's alive itself, that
almost just reminds you of like Avatar and the dragons

(57:17):
and the horses and all that shit, right to where
you're just connected to them consciously and your brains are
singing together where you don't need to say, yeah, let's go.
It's like, as soon as you have that thought, hyeah,
you're going, you know, yes.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
And that's perfect because that's exactly the the one frame
of thought really that puts me into the understanding of
the whole consciousness consciousness.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Thing in general.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
You know what I mean that that is the the
one natural force that's under everything, you know, every every
experience that people have had, you know, I mean I
can't speak for everybody, of course, you know, but I
feel like everybody that's had an experience with aliens or
I mean even Nick, he literally communicates with him with
his consciousness, and your consciousness and your vibration and everything

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has a lot to do with what you're able to
see and experience. And so it's like this this back
and forth, uh communication of sorts, dude, you know, and
it's natural, seemingly.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Well, And I'm like, and what's also interesting about it
is that whenever that egg does crack right and you realize,
oh my god, I'm not this body, I'm actually something
even greater. I'm actually the consciousness. Now, if you look
at it from that angle, from that higher self perspective,
you are communicating telepathically with your body.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Do you see what I'm.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Saying though, Like, it's like you're and you're able to
dip into the the unlimited potential because you're not Jonathan.
You are.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
You are capable of meaning whatever the.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Fuck exactly what I mean. I mean, it's all there.
This human body is like you know, Avatar connecting its
tail to the dragon or whatever or the seahorse or
whatever the fuck it was, you know, connected to It's like,
you know, whenever you're able to separate you from what
you thought was yourself. Now there are two entities, and

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you can control the lower physical one right at that point,
and so now you're not necessarily succumbing to you know,
the material reality of everything that a human wants to
do anymore, because now you control that human. That human
is in your control, and you're guiding the human at
that point, and.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
All everything that you thought you were was the substance
within the shell, you know, like the ego driven like
this is what I know to.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Be me, and then that cracks.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Yeah, and now you're just connected to what's outside of that.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Man, It's just like, yeah, whenever you discover that you
are the essence of life itself, that you're not strictly
contained to this container, this vessel, but you're just in
control of this vessel. That's that's like the that is
the cracking of the egg. That's great, man, I feel
like we just really got deep right there. Sometimes we

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do that, you know, philosophical and this beach. So therefore,
the egg shape may be the most efficient. All check
this out. So the egg shape may be the most
efficient geometric vessel for containing and projecting energy resonating with
the idea of the holographic womb of reality.

Speaker 6 (01:00:31):
MM.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
So there is a fascinating tie with with the cosmic egg,
the orphic egg, and the the the alien egg shape
UFO that in ancient myth the egg is the vessel
of divine light, and in modern ufo lore the egg
is the vessel of other worldly intelligence. So I was like,

(01:00:54):
all right, how many times has there been uh documented
ufo egg shaped craft in the world? How many times
has it been documented? Turns out it has been documented
at least nine times.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Nine times.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
At least nine times have people had an experience with
an egg ufo craft.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
I thought would be way more than that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
These are just the ones that are documented. Oh okay, okay,
So it's you know a lot of times they go undocumented,
I'm sure, but these are the ones that are written down,
talked about, and you know, like deeply described. So the
first one actually happened in when was it? There were
actually two in three, I'm sorry, in nineteen fifty seven,

(01:01:42):
three in the same year. In nineteen fifty seven. One
was in Texas, the next one was in Albuquerque, New Mexico,
And so those could have been the same thing. They're
right next to each other. But then what gets interesting
is that you have you know, the south United States,
the southwest United States, and then it dips down to
Brazil and also in nineteen fifty seven or it came

(01:02:05):
up from Brazil either way the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Same okay, same year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
I don't know if it's the same craft, but all
three were in the same year. Interesting, so it's one
of them was in Leveland, Texas. So it says multiple
witnesses reported a brilliantly lit egg shaped object, some up
to one hundred feet long, sitting on the road, causing
their vehicles to stall out before flying off and restoring

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engine function. It's one of the most compelling mass sighting
cases on record.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
Wow, can you imagine seeing something like that in fifty seven?
You know, I mean everybody's driving carbureted cars and shit,
and like you're lucky if it started for you in
the morning and then you just see this brilliantly lit
egg shaped thing in the middle of the road, Like
that would be a trip, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to see. Was this around
the same time of Betty and Barney Hill. This was
actually before Betty and Barney.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Hill, Okay, because they were like in the sixties, right
in sixty one. Yeah, okay, okay, so this was four
years before Betty and Barney Hill, which was pretty interesting. So, yeah,
that was the Texas case in nineteen fifty seven. The
next one you have the Kirtland AFB sighting in Albuquerque,
New Mexico, in nineteen fifty seven. It says civil aeronautic

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controllers observed a vertically elongated egg shaped object fifteen to
twenty feet tall. Oh so the other one was one
hundred feet long. It didn't say how tall. This one
says fifteen to twenty feet tall. Do didn't say how long,
But anyway, it was an egg shaped object with a
single light at its base, hovering over the runway. Later

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tracked on radar, following aircraft before vanishing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Oh so it was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
And that's that's what's crazy about this. These are either
mass sightings or government sightings, so that's why they're so
documented in that sense.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
So, and the technology that we had, at least to
our knowledge, was not anything of that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Well, and that's the thing is that it follows aircraft
before vanishing. So this still tracks with my understanding as
far as all these things go. Personally, I believe that
every single UFO, every single real UFO story mean physically
real physical, Yeah, we'll get We'll say physical, every single

(01:04:29):
end quotes physical because I believe that they can probably
dematerialize or vanish somehow. They all seem like they are
traveling interdimensionally, that they're not necessarily coming from billions of
light years away in this physical reality. Could it be
And I'm not saying that it's impossible. I think it's
just more and most likely that they are interdimensionally traveling

(01:04:53):
to where maybe they're not coming from, you know, Star
System eight hundred and sixty nine, you know, four billion
light years away. Could they just be traveling from not
another where, but another win as Stephen Greer says, And
could they just be traveling from I don't know, six
dimensional Earth reality and then lowering their frequency to be

(01:05:17):
able to show up in the third dimension where we
see right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Yeah, I mean that just makes the most sense, you know,
if you want to go into the physics of it,
it just doesn't make sense that they could travel that far,
you know, and get here.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
But because to our perception, that's what it looks like.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
It definitely looks like they're just kind of fading into
our perception, you know, not like arriving.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Yeah, and even even physics can't explain it. And that's
why it's having such a hard time with all this
UFO stuff because, for example, even I believe they said
the tic tac UFO that was back in like two
thousand and three or something like that, just four they.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
Said, Kevin, watch a UFO documentary without seeing that black
and white footage exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
They say even that one was traveling at like mock eighty,
so the fastest that a human has ever gone in
like a fighter jet. Right, it's like mock nine.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Right, So just moving.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
That you're hauling, Dude, you are going faster than the
speed of sound. Oh yeah, oh yeah, these are what
ten times faster right at minimum?

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Wow, it's like this sound even do at that point,
you know. But if they're not even actually moving through
outur physical space, then then air and all that has
nothing to do with it. So there are no bounds
to how fast it can go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
I'm sure, right, And I mean they are there. There
seems to be no you know, like they seem to
be operating within like zero gravity as well, so there's
no propulsion propulsion. That was the word I was looking for.
I couldn't think about that, I thought, but yeah, there's
no repulsion there. There seems to be like no heat

(01:07:03):
signature even coming off of them.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
Fascinating, dude, it's so fun to look into that kind
of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Man, Like, I'm sorry, I can't look at that, and
I can't look at that and say probably nothing. All
there is is life, death, than taxes, you know what
I mean. It's like, no, there's way more than that.
So yeah, that was the Albuquerque one. The next one
was the Brazil. I don't know which order these ones
came in, but the the Brazil one is the uh

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Antonio Villis Boaz abduction. So Antonio described a hovering craft
roughly circular or egg shaped, with a red light and
a dome that landed in a field after his tractor stalled.
He fled on foot, and he later reported being abducted.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
M See, this is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
When it when it comes to the abductions, you know,
because I don't know when I started think about that,
I'm like, how are you how.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Is that even possible?

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
How can you be abducted by a something that's immaterial
in a sense at least to us. It would have
to be right, well, because if they're able to move
from through through air, through I don't know numbers of
galaxies to get to us, seemingly bending space and time
around them, you know, and then they just kind of

(01:08:25):
materialize because they're now in our dimension, Like, how do
they then interact with anything physical?

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
I can understand you know, electronics fucking up and shit
like that, like I can. My imagination will definitely allowed
me to go there, But physically taking somebody like that
I'm interested in.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
And there's many, many, many different reports of missing time,
and Chris Bledsoe is one of the main ones, right,
And because I mean he thought that time, you know,
he thought that he was only gone for fifteen minutes
whenever he was abducted, abducted in those woods fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Twenty went looking for him, so he was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Gone, dude, They was gone for hours, right, And there
were what four or five other people that were there
with him, including his son, you know, and he goes, yeah,
I thought that I was only gone fifteen twenty minutes.
Turns out he was gone for hours, So there was
some kind of sense of abduction and time not acting

(01:09:23):
linearly as he remembered it or he had his mind
erased or something. But I'm still trying to get him
on the damn show. He is a busy man.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Yeah, you know, it happens.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
I read the book though. I highly recommend everybody go
out and read a UFO of God.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Yeah, super fascinating. His son too, though, was missing right,
like he also had missing time along with him. His
son was No, he was just like stabilized in one location.
He was frozen frozen yeah, okay, yeah, and they couldn't
find him either, right, No, they couldn't him, right, Nope,
not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Cloaking technology maybe you know who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
I think that they're they're I think they can just
fucking like pause time, bro.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
I mean, if they can bend space and time, I'm
sure they can bend the environment around an individual and
make it appear that they are not even there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
You know. Yeah, that's that's easy. Shit.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
I mean, they're they're existing in another dimension, like without
physical without physicality, you know what I'm saying. It's like,
what is time to a non corporeal being? Right exactly, dude.
So it's just crazy. But anyway, the next one, so
you had the three and fifty seven. Then you had
the next one. These are all egg shaped crafts. Was

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called the Socorro with Lonnie Zamora in New Mexico. A
lot of shit going on in New Mexico. This was
in nineteen sixty four. And this is a police officer.
So police officer Lonnie Zamora investigated a strange craft and
described it as egg shaped, shimmering, metallic, and hovering close
to the ground before ascending with roaring flames and leaving

(01:11:06):
scorch marks and landing depressions behind. That's different.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
This is different.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Yeah, so this case remains one of the most well
documented and unexplained UFO incidents in the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Hmm, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
Whenever it comes to the more physical ones, you know
that leave some sort of evidence behind or or you know,
propulsion and things of that nature, I'm like, I don't know.
That's when I start to think like some government shit
and like there's just some weird shit going on, you know,
and the government's fucking with people.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
I don't know. But yeah, I don't know. I have
no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. That one seems like
if if we're trying to find, like, you know, one
of these things is not like the other, like.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
It's that one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Yeah, So let's go to the next one, which was
I'm trying to do these in order, because they're not
in order. The next one was Area fifty one. Okay,
Area fifty one whistleblow or claim. So this is in
the nineteen eighties. A former contractor claimed that a metallic
egg shaped UFO roughly the size of an suv, was
kept at a secretive facility known as Area fifty one

(01:12:15):
in the nineteen eighties. Yeah, all right, well doesn't describe
how it was taken off or anything. What do you
think about Area fifty one.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
You know, to be honest, like if you would have
asked me this two years ago, before we even started
this show, before when I was only just in the
understanding that, like, yeah, of course there has to be aliens,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
I used to.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
Think that they were more of the physical and not
that they aren't within their own reality, within their own reality.
I'm sure they interact maybe physically, you know, but I
feel like it's all the more physical things are kind
of just government shit, you know, Like I feel like
if an alien can get over here and make it

(01:12:56):
over to us from wherever the fuck they came from
or when ever they came from.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
I feel like they wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:13:02):
Be captured, you know, I just don't feel it just
doesn't make sense to me that there would be actual
physical UFOs, if.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
That makes sense, unless they want it to be.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Yeah, but what's the point in that, you know, What's
just to leave something for us to go, Oh, there's
more to this. This isn't just the third dimension. There's
more going on, and we'll just leave you this little breadcrumb,
you know, Like I That's what I pondered when it
comes to that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
I mean, then you read The American Cosmic by Diane
and Pasalka, and she talked about how she went out
in the desert of New Mexico, I think also, and
she was able to find this metal shit that was
in the ground, and she called it meta material where
it was solid before she held it, and then as
soon as she held it it melted right, and then
as soon as she would place it down, it would

(01:13:51):
solidify again.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
It would like reform or reshape, right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
And she says that those things are not remnants that
are left behind accidentally. She them she believes that they're
gifts from, like other worlds and other beings.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
Yeah, I mean, I guess if they if they were
to leave something behind, I feel like it, you know,
it would be intentional only to get us to maybe
evolve or to to help us along technologically, I guess.
But other than that, as far as like what they
got going on in area fifty one, I don't know,
Like the whole guy, the one you were bringing up
earlier was a bob Blazaar. Yeah, you know, I I'd

(01:14:28):
have to think about that even further because I feel
like I don't know. I know either, I don't. I
don't take it all like as truth. You know, it
comes to exactly like it's interesting, Don't get me wrong,
it's very fascinating the things that he says and how
his story you know, doesn't change it. And you know,
we can go on and on. But I feel like
there's something, there's something that we just aren't seeing and

(01:14:52):
and I just don't take it at full face value.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Which is the right way to look at it, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
Yeah, But like to go back to your original question,
as far as like I two years ago, I would
have been like, of course, of course there's physical crafts,
they can.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
Figure out how to get here.

Speaker 4 (01:15:08):
But now I'm just of the mindset that it's all
consciousness based and anything else is it is not it,
you know what I mean. Yeah, as far as that
meda material, I don't know. I don't know either. I
just brought it up because I was like, I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Want to see it, I want to hold it, you know,
but I'm not make of it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
So which one was that?

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
Again?

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
That was the New Mexico incident. The next Oh no,
I'm sorry, Yeah, that was also New Mexico, but that
was Area fifty one. After that one, you had the
nineteen eighty three incident in Indiana Somerset, Indiana, where it
says a witness, Debbie Jordan Cobble, I think it's how

(01:15:50):
you say your name, observed a UFO roughly eight to
ten feet tall, egg shaped during an unsettling experience in
the woods.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
They're getting smaller, seemed to be the new models, the aerodynamic.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
The one after that was in nineteen eighty eight in
South Australia, so it says a family traveling across the
Nuller bar plane reported seeing a UFO that looked like
a big glowing ball, like an egg like an egg
in an egg cup. Interesting, and then finally, well not finally,

(01:16:28):
we have one more before we get to Jake Barber.
But in nineteen ninety eight, oh god, this is in Mexico.
It says a man and his children witnessed an oval
egg like object silently hovering in the sky about four
hundred and fifty meters away during a nighttime incident. These
are just observations at that point, and then we're gonna

(01:16:49):
get to the main one, the main one that we
wanted to talk about, which is Air Force pilot Jake Barber.
He's this is the most recent whistleblowerclaimed. This was earlier.
I believe he came out in January of this year.
Oh so, it says recently a Air Force, a US
Air Force veteran alleged seeing a non human egg shaped
craft with no engine or thermal signature while working on

(01:17:13):
a UFO retrieval program. His claims are being investigated by
the Pentagon currently. And these reports spanned continents and decades,
weaving a strange but persistent narrative of the egg shape,
UFO and modern lore. Whether symbolic or physical, these shapes
seem to echo ancient archetypes like the orphic egg morphing
across time into contemporary mystery. And so I was like,

(01:17:36):
all right, could there be you know, could Jake Barber's
egg UFO be interdimensional? And yeah, I think so.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
And actually you think to me real quick, not to
cut you off, but I just didn't want to brush
over it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
They got a UFO retrieval system.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
That's a program. Yeah, wow, okay, isn't that crazy. Yeah,
So there's something I wanted to play rate here. This
is actually, uh all right, so before we get to
the to the video, I wanted to play This was
an article that was written at the time that he
whistle blew about the egg shape. It's all right, so

(01:18:19):
it says a former Air Force Special Operations airman told
News Nation that he worked for a secret unit that
retrieved debris that he believes was from crashed unidentified flying objects.
This is his quote. He goes, just visually looking at
the object on the ground, you could tell that it
was an extraordinary h and anomalous or and anomalous. So

(01:18:40):
Jake Barber, who said that he had worked in both
official and unofficial capacities for the US government, told the
network it was not human. Barbara told News Nations Ross
Coulthart that the object looked like a large white egg
and was about the size of an SUV. The UFO,
which the US government now calls UAPs, or identified Aerial Phenomena,

(01:19:01):
had no engine and no thermal signature. He said, it's
inconsistent with anything I'd ever seen before. I can also
tell you that the reaction by my team, we all
knew that we were dealing with something extraordinary. Barbara said
it was later confirmed to him that the object was
a non human intelligence, but he doesn't know what it was.
He also said that he also said that he picked

(01:19:23):
up what he called an eight gone which he described
as a flying disc with what looked like eight delineated sections.
Barbara described feeling odd and growing more emotional as he
got closer to the eight gone object, which we actually
have a video of him speaking about that. It's like
a minute long, Okay, he goes, it felt like something

(01:19:45):
connected with me. Whenever he saw this eight gone object
felt like something connected with me. It felt like something
had tuned into me and my soul and was providing
me some sense of guidance on what to do and
how profound what I was doing was it was so
overwhelming that I began to cry.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Wow, instantly started to mess with his consciousness. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
Well, that's what I'm saying. It's like emotional state and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
That's not human. No human shit is not doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
I was kind of hoping.

Speaker 4 (01:20:17):
And that shape that he finds that he found was
pretty interesting, you know. But I wish you would have
went into more detail as far as like the material.
He said it's non human, But like, why why do
you say that? What is it about the material? What
could you tell us about it? Yeah, it's been crashed
and broke open, you know, like what's inside?

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
What I mean? Well, was there anything recognizable?

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
I'm happy you asked, sir, because we have a little
minute and thirty nine second clip of him talking about
it right now.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
Awesome, All right, let's do it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:48):
NewsNation has independently obtained previously unseen video obtained from a
secret UAP craft retrieval program. Extraordinary footage clearly shows an
egg shaped object dangling in a sling below the belly
of a helicopter.

Speaker 7 (01:21:21):
Let's slow this down to take a closer look. That's
an egg shaped UAP suspended from a one hundred and
fifty foot long line. We're told the craft is about
twenty feet long. The egg suspended in a cradle, and
look how careful the pilot is as they bring their
precious cargo into land. Let's freeze frame here to look

(01:21:45):
at one of the clearest images of a UAP ever taken.
This is no blurry light in a distant sky. The
source of the footage putting themselves at incredible risk to
record this UAB the retrieval. Look at how perfectly smooth
the craft is, no markings at all, and no visible

(01:22:08):
means of propulsion or way to see inside. Watch how
it rolls, almost graceful as it hits the ground, despite
being wrapped in the ropes and canvas from the cradle.
As it's dropped for pickup. The UAP's final destination still unknown.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Okay, so that was I thought that was gonna be
a video of him talking, But that was Ross Coultart.
He was the one that works for a news nation
that broke the story about the whistleblower, Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Robber, Right, Yeah, I was.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
I was thinking, like, you know, this is supposed to
be a crashed UFO. You know, whether he said that
there was no marks or anything like that unless this
thing is like, you know, impenetrable or you know, you
can't do anything to harm the outside of it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
You know, how do they know it was crashed? You know?

Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Just left there?

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Yeah, seeming more seemingly more left there rather than crashed.
But this is actually a video of Jake Barber. He's
being interviewed. Oh, I can't remember what his name is,
Jesse Michaels or Michelle's. I'm not sure if that's how
you say it. But it's with Logan, Paul and those people.
But check this out. This is him. This is the

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bald guy right here with the glasses. That's Jake Barber.
But you'll be able to hear what he's describing whenever
he came in contact with so he had had the
first contact with the egg and then the eight gone.
The eight gone craft is what he's describing in this
in this video.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
Okay, have you retrieved a non human craft?

Speaker 6 (01:23:38):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
I have. What's the story behind that?

Speaker 6 (01:23:41):
On this particular night, I got my normal readout for
the load. This time it included negative souls on board
and it has matten disclosure for biologics as I'm flying
and I get closer to this craft, I start having
this very emotional experience, and the closer I got to
the object, more emotional I got. It was a beautiful feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:24:04):
Fuck, it's so weird.

Speaker 6 (01:24:05):
It's like that minor chord as a kid, that sad beauty.
I just felt like I was in the presence of
my mother. It was like a feminine energy. I don't
know what it was, but the closer I got, the
more intense it got.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
I hooked up.

Speaker 6 (01:24:19):
As I'm flying back, I'm like completely overwhelmed, balling my
eyes out, flying out after at night, like trying not
to run into mountains and shit, and I'm like, oh
my god, this is not good. As I get close,
I make it there, I safely get it popped off,
and then as I fly away, it goes away.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
All right. So, whenever I first saw that, I was
hoping that he was talking about the egg, but he
was talking about the eggn Either way, I thought that
it was interesting that he said that he felt almost
a motherly presence, which reminded me of the egg a
little bit. If you think about it, you know, yeah, yeah, definitely,
I mean it see to me whenever you gets emotional.

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That just adds a little more validity.

Speaker 1 (01:25:01):
Mm hm oh yeah, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
I mean he's flying a helicopter pile or flying a
helicopter trying not to cry and shit like seemingly out
of nowhere. You know that's unusual, right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
So after hearing that story, I was like, all right,
could the egg shape UFO be interdimensional? So there are
some really crazy physics whenever it comes to this thing
that have been released or people that are at least
have been able to observe so, and from you know
how he described it and everything. So Barbara described the

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craft as egg shaped, metallic, no visible propulsion, no engine,
and no thermal signature. Whenever he said that there was
no souls, that's what he meant, no no thermal signature
such as like no human souls.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
Huh oh okay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
So conventional flight requires exhaust lift or at least some
measurable energy trail. This one had none. That strongly suggests
that it wasn't moving through space the way that we understand,
but instead bending or phasing around it. That's straight in
line with interdimensional theories. Craft that can that manipulate space
time or hop between frequency states rather than pushing through

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air like jets.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
Right, in that sense, the object itself isn't even moving,
you know, everything else is moving around it exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Yes, So the egg itself is archetypally a container of
potential worlds. This is where it gets wild, dude. So
the orphic egg birth the cosmos, right Hindus Brahmanda cracked
into heaven and Earth in an esoteric lens. An egg
shaped UFO could represent a dimensional womb, carrying reality inside

(01:26:47):
of it, or allowing beings to pass from one realm
into another. If the ship is literally shaped like the
cosmic egg, which it was, maybe that's because it functions
as a microcosmic pleuroma, a whole little universe inside of
a shell, capable of stepping between dimensions. Whoa whole other
universe and it's just wild. So then there are also

(01:27:11):
eyewitness parallels, which we kind of talked about a little
bit earlier. So many UFO experiencers described the inside of
a craft as larger than the outside. We've heard this
plenty of times before, right, So it's a classic interdimensional clue.
So some abductees report being pulled pulled through the wall

(01:27:32):
of the craft as if the material was less physical
and more vibrational. And these accounts resonate with Barber's description
of a craft with no heat, no propulsion. It's not
behaving like a thing in our dimension alone. That points
to it being interdimensional at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
Yeah, And you know, I was just thinking about this.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
I did hear a story about an abduction where because
I was just saying, like, how can something physical be
abducted by something that's kind of non phys you know.
But in this abduction story, they the guy that got
the adductee actually claims that it seemed as though his
frequency or his vibration, like his body like vibrated differently

(01:28:13):
to a higher frequency, and that's what made it possible
because they just kind of put him through the wall,
like they didn't bother opening the door. He kind of
just phased through it almost like his physicality was was adjusted. Yeah,
to even make that possible, So which who knows, man,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
It makes sense at that point too, though, because especially
if we tie in the whole red shift and blue
shift right about how in order to meet them in
the middle, we have to blue shift. They have to
red shift, which means they have to lower their vibrational state.
We have to hire our vibrational state, right if but
what happens if they come all the way down? Right,
So now they come all the way down, meaning we're

(01:28:55):
not meeting them in the middle, meaning we're not raising
our vibration in order to match their frequent so that
it doesn't throw us all the way off. They're coming
all the way down in that sense when our vibration
isn't necessarily where it should be, right, and so that
can make it probably crazy, you know, like as far
as being in that kind of frequency, being around that

(01:29:17):
kind of frequency, you wo'd probably throw you off a
little bit, which is probably why Jake Barber had that experience, right,
because he was probably I mean, he's a military guy
working for the Air Force. He's just a fucking helicopter pilot.
He's not expecting anything crazily spiritual at that moment, right,
But all of a sudden he comes in contact with
this eight gon in this in this egg shaped craft,
and it is bringing him like crazy stimulative like emotions.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
Emotions, right, almost like there was no choice in the matter,
like this was just necessary, right, right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
I thought that was kind of interesting, But there is
also a gnostic and mystical angle to this. So if
we borrow the orphic egg framework, maybe the egg shaped
UFO is a manifest a of the same archetype, a
vessel cracking open to let divine or alien lights spill
into our dimension. Gnostics might say that the egg in
quotes isn't a spaceship at all, but a living portal,

(01:30:12):
an arconic or ionic projection stepping down from higher planes
into ours. So it is very plausible that the Jake
Barber's egg shaped UFO wasn't interplanetary in the usual sense,
but interdimensional, a container that phases in and out of
our space time, using the egg archetype as both geometry

(01:30:34):
and spiritual symbolism.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Yep, that's great.

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
And I don't know if you remember, but then in
my past life regression, past life regression, that's what I was.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
I was just like this ball.

Speaker 4 (01:30:47):
I don't know if I was an egg or a sphere,
but I felt spherical and I was just made of light.
And one of the things that you were asking me
was like, well, why are you there? You know, because
there was people around and I can see them, and
I remember we're saying, like the purpose of me even
being here is to show the people that I'm that
I'm here, you know that that this is this is possible,

(01:31:09):
this is something that that just is, Yeah, to recognize
that's what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Well, just to to show us, uh that we can
almost like be whole and we don't have to be
so fragmented, because that consciousness no matter who you come
in contact with, could be fucking you know, mantis beings,
could be pleadians, could be whatever. Right, they always seem
like they're not necessarily lacking anything, like they got it together,

(01:31:39):
you know what I mean? And could it be that
they're just trying to show us what that looks like.
I don't know. I mean, I'm just getting like real weird.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
Nose, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
I think this is just one of those things though
that that puts me in that frame of mind, dude
that we don't know shit, No, they eggs so much
deeper than we could even imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
It's very bad. Yeah. So then I was like, all right,
we just got done doing that siderio astrology episode and
we found out that, uh, every seventy two years, the
Earth has a wobble that shifts the constellations one degree, right,
and with that wobble, I thought, well, that just reminds
me of what old Neil deGrasse Tyson said whenever he

(01:32:20):
said that the Earth is less, uh, you know, globular
and more pear shaped.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
Oblate spheroid I believe is the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Yes, yes, oblate spheroid. He called it, also pear shaped, right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
A little wider at the hips.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
She's a fat bottom girl, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
So I was like, well a pair kind of resembles
the same shape of an egg, right, Okay, So if
we're gonna get real weird, let's take it all the
way there.

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
So this there is the scientific shape of the Earth.
As they say, the Earth is an oblate spheroid, slightly
flattened at the poles and bulging at the equation due
to its rotation. Even if you don't believe that the
Earth is round, just follow me here for this, because
it's going to be more symbolic than it is like physical,
is what I'm trying to say. So beyond that, gravitational

(01:33:12):
anomalies make Earth slightly pear shaped. The southern hemisphere bulges
a little bit more than the northern, so the quote
unquote center of mass is not perfectly even it also wobblesssion,
with the procession meaning that its axis traces a slow
circle over twenty six thousand years. Some people like to
call them the yugas, okay, right, And so if you

(01:33:36):
exaggerate these features, the Earth really does look closer to
an egg or a pair than a perfect ball. So
then you get into the egg shape. Egg shape as
an archetype, an egg is whiter on one end and
narrower on the other. Asymmetry within wholeness. Earth's pair bulge
in the south echoes that. So from a symbolic point
of view, the Earth as an egg makes sense a

(01:33:58):
womb of life. Ancient myths often describe the cosmos or
Earth as an egg, as we talked about with the
Hindu Bramata and the orphic egg and the world egg,
et cetera. This means that the scientific quote unquote pear
shape can be seen as a modern echo of the
cosmic egg archetype Earth itself as a living orphic egg

(01:34:20):
containing humanity. So then I was like, all right, let's
go a little bit farther into that. So this is
gonna get wild, but it all ties together. So in
energy healing traditions, the human aura is often described as
an oric egg, an ovoid field surrounding the whole body.

(01:34:42):
So Earth would be the macrocosm may mirror the microcosm
of your energetic egg field. So dude, all right, the
wobble of the Earth could be seen as Earth's hatching
process cycles of age. Remember I just talked about every
twenty six thousand years. It it does the whole procession, right,

(01:35:04):
the slow circle over twenty six thousand years. The hatching process,
therefore would be the cycles of ages, as like the
Yugas and astrological ages. So whether we're going into the
you know, the the age of Aquarius or we're coming
from the age of Pisces or whatever, right that, there
always seems to be a uh almost, I don't want

(01:35:27):
to just a cycle, you know, there just seems to
be a cycle. And that could be the slow, the
slow hatching right where humanity periodically breaks through new shells
of consciousness and so some esoteric thinkers suggest that Earth
Earth's egg shape is not accidental but essential. Only listen
to this. Only an oval form can generate the right

(01:35:51):
harmonics for rotation, magnetism and life.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Oh shit, that's the egg, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
It's the fucking egg. We could be moving in an
egg right now. So it's an egg within an egg
within an egg. So you got the human oric egg
inside of the Earth egg shape, inside of the cosmic
egg itself. It's like the fucking Russian dolls. Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Yeah, dude, holy shit. So yeah above, so below.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Man, microcosm, macrocosm, all day. So yes, scientifically Earth is
closer to a pair than an egg, but symbolically the
distinction is small. It's asymmetry. Wobble and bulge fit right
into the archetype of the cosmic egg, a container of life,
perfectly imperfect hatching cycles of creation, containers within a container. Dude,

(01:36:38):
that's wild, right, that's neat, just for the symbolism.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
You never I never even would have looked at it
that way.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
Yeah, I've heard of the Earth being the oblate spheroid
and all that, and surely it's very like if you're
in space looking at it, you probably wouldn't even notice.
But as it said, if you, if you make it
more dramatic, then then you would clearly see that that shape.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:02):
So and and dude, there's there's all kind of like
sacred geometry with the egg shape as well, and we're
not gonna be getting into that because that could take
us down a whole nother hour.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
At least, sacred geometry is something else.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Dude, Oh dude, it's crazy because the the egg hatches
from the the sacred seed, so the sacred seed turns
into the sacred egg, then turns into the you know,
the the flour and all this other shit. But yeah,
so all right, now, how do you put this into
your own spiritual practice if you're trying to? All right,

(01:37:39):
I was like, all right, you know, we like to
we like to understand and you know, learn about the
philosophy and everything like that. It's apply it, But how
do you how do you know, how does it put
the lotion on its skin?

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
What do you do with it?

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
So, for a modern seeker, the orphic egg can be
a powerful meditation tool. Visualizing this self as an egg whole,
unified yet waiting to crack, can help one connect with
the process of inner awakening. In meditation, imagine light glowing
within an egg in your heart or your mind. Within
each breath, the egg glows brighter until it cracks open

(01:38:16):
and floods your being with radiant awareness. This simple visualization
mirrors the orphic mystery of fanes the light born within,
So in ritual, the egg can symbolize rebirth, transformation, or
preservation of divine potential. Placing an egg on an altar,
painting it with symbols, or using it as in seasonal

(01:38:37):
rights echoes ancient practices while empowering the modern mystic. So
all right, you know, if nothing else, just imagine, you know,
like it said that in that meditation, which, by the way,
we do have an egg meditation we're going to be
meditating on.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
I was hoping you'd say that, Yeah, I would expect
no less from you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
It's just, you know, it has to do. We have
to go there because we're trying to crack that egg
tonight baby. Which, by the way, if you want to
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It's the best way to be able to support us.
We appreciate all of the one who have done so already.
We are a small cult so far, but we are

(01:39:18):
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(01:39:40):
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(01:40:02):
Wednesday night for Wonder Wizday. We usually have like an
awesome guest or we just like to get together and
kind of like contemplate a little bit together. That being said,
our next Wonder Wizday is actually going to be this
upcoming Wizday Wednesday with your boy Optimistic Banks.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Yeah, dude, so it's been it's been a minute man,
love that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
Yes, Yes, it's gonna be awesome. So and we got
we actually have like guest scheduled like a month in
advance right now. We're trying to we're trying to get
as many guests as we can because it's just nice
being able to see where everybody else is at on
their journey and what they've discovered. Maybe it aligns with
what we've discovered, and and if it doesn't align, then
it's like, all right, well these are things that we

(01:40:47):
would never would have probably touched on, you know, right.

Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
I think it's necessary, you know, because, like we've said before,
you can kind of get locked into our you know,
our frame of thinking and just the research that we've
come along, and you know, and then someone else comes
along with this whole different way of looking at it,
and it's like, oh, I'm gonna go ahead and take
a little bit of that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
For myself, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:07):
Exactly egg, exactly egg.

Speaker 1 (01:41:10):
Yes. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:12):
What else I thought too was really cool was the
the orphic egg that was described in Secret Teachings of
All Ages. Was that it said that the human is
the egg, right, and that the snake represents the mysteries
and it's the mysteries that surround the human and eventually

(01:41:33):
that pressure is going to crack that egg, but it's
the mysteries that are surrounding it, and I thought, holy shit,
is that's deeply symbolic with meta mysteries at that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
Yea, oh dude, and just the the egg and the
serpent in general are both just very symbolic symbols, you know,
put together in one. Man. It's funny because we were
just showed my son the Power Ranger movie, the old
school one you know, with like the purple ooze. I
forget exactly what that one is called, but basically when
the when the bad guy comes, it's like this purple

(01:42:04):
egg that like comes out of the ground and it's
like this hand holding a purple egg, and it's just like.

Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
Okay something to that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
Man, Yeah, you might want to look at that just
because it's dude, I watched that movie so many times
as a young in that I literally I ran out
the tape and my parents had to buy me a
new VHS office. Yeah, the special effects definitely do not
hold up, you know, but uh, that's still fun though,
you know, old school Power Rangers.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
Dude, that's a classic though. Rip to the White Ranger.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
Yeah, dude, sad he went, he went through it. He
did so.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
In closing, we are going to crack the shell of
the cosmos. So the orphic egg is more than a myth.
It's a timeless symbol of beginnings, of potential and of
great mystery of consciousness. From chaos and darkness emerged unity,
then light, then creation. From the egg came fins, and
from fanes came all things. But the myth does not

(01:43:04):
just belong to the cosmos. It belongs to you. Within
you is the orphic egg, the hidden light, the spark
of divine consciousness, sealed in the shell of the flesh,
waiting to be born. The moment you seek nosis, the
moment you awaken, the shell begins to crack. So the
next time you see an egg, don't just think of
breakfast or Easter. Think of the cosmos, think of creation.

(01:43:25):
Think of your own soul waiting to break free. The
orphic egg whispers to us across millennia. Within you lies
the universe waiting to hatch.

Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
Dude, I mean, even even Humpty Dumpty was put back
together again, you know, so.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Damn, I bet you there's something to that. Actually, there
has to be. Yeah, dude, Wow, nothing new under the sun.
How did I not think of that one? I don't know,
It just came to me like right now, actually, like
on the spot, Well, what do we got for that
tarot card?

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
Sir?

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
We you know what we got? Judgment? Really yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
Actually I told two of them, but the judgment one
was the one that came out first. We could do
both of them if you want, but I'd say we
just do judgment.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Where is I think judgments?

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
Which is interesting, you know because I think in the
beginning when you were talking about the fans and all
of that, it did say something about the wings, you know,
that it was given or that it that it spawned
or you know.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
So let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:44:23):
Oh wow, how about the upright meanings? So the meaning
of the word judgment is awakening and acceptance.

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
Right the cracking of that Shelly damn.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
So judgment serves as the ultimate release when we are
accepting of the past and our end of ourselves as
we follow the divine call to our spiritual awakening.

Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
Oh my god, dude, come on, come on.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
You are ready for the next step in personal growth,
accepting yourself and releasing the past and the judgment card.
An angel in the sky blows a trumpet while people
emerge from caskets, rejoicing as they heed the call emerge
from caskets. Bro Come on now they're coming out of
the tomb, you know, like this is wild. The artwork

(01:45:17):
on this card references the Biblical resurrection on Judgment Day,
overt Christian themes aside. What you see on this card
is a depiction of answering the universe's signs that prompt
a spiritual awakening. During the awakening process, you reflect on
your life choices, actions and experiences as you judge yourself.
Remember to have compassion for who you once were and

(01:45:38):
release those judgments so you are able to move on
from the past.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
Dude, that's pretty spot on.

Speaker 4 (01:45:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
It just never seems to amaze me how these just
align perfectly. The spiritual message behind it says, put your
energy toward noticing the signs from the universe so you
can begin releasing yourself from self criticism and judgment. This
is the time to start accepting your spiritual gifts, moving
on from past pain, and embracing a new period of
spiritual awakening.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
Signs from the universe. Man being that cosmic egg. You know,
that's so universal and well known.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Wow, that is so amazing. I love that lined up
the way.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
That it did. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:46:20):
I wasn't even sure if it was going to you know,
I saw the wings and I was like, oh, we
did say something about wings or whatever. But yeah, lined
up way better than I could have imagined, you know,
which it actually always does really literally awakening.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Come on now, that's literally the cracking of the egg
is the awakening. It's the illumination.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
You know, it can be on the veil at this point, man,
you know, come on now.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
So yeah, I guess. I mean, what do you think
about the orphic egg? You dig it? It's awesome, dude,
it's awesome. It looks like a cool tattoo in the making,
you know, is what I was thinking when I was
looking at it before we started recording.

Speaker 1 (01:46:56):
I was like, oh, that's kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
Yeah, yeah, that would be a cool tattoo.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
I like that. Yeah, so some eyebrows, I'm sure, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
It is cool.

Speaker 6 (01:47:08):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
You know, the the snake is always seen as you know,
it's the evil serpent, you know, but in in in
Mystery Schools and Gnosticism and literally everywhere else, the scene
the snake is always seen as the one that is
essentially bringing the the mystery, the wisdom, the sophia, you
know what I mean, Like it's always the it's the

(01:47:30):
light bearer.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
It's like it's so crazy, how how that is just
I mean, all across all cultures, they all say the
same thing. And even within Christianity, you know, the devil
was known as the serpent, which is the light bearer.

Speaker 4 (01:47:47):
You know, which it joways gets me, you know, because
like God made the serpent too, you know, and he
also knew exactly what.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
Was going to go down with that. You know. It
wasn't like, wait, what's going on over here? You know,
you're all knowing what are you talking about? Bro?

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
It knew at that point. God didn't make the serpent,
he is the serpent. Yes, that's the That's the real
truth behind it. I think that, you know, if it's
all one thing, then he's the good guy, he's the
bad guy and everything in between, just like you, just
like me, just like everybody you've ever met. Nobody is perfect.
Everybody has some light, everybody has some dark. We're a

(01:48:26):
perfect little mix of that sense. And you know which
even if you put it to a neoplatonic view. It's like, yeah,
we're the farthest from the light. That doesn't necessarily mean
that we're we're the farthest from the the original light source.
That doesn't mean that you know that we're evil by
any means. It's just that the light is farthest away.

(01:48:49):
But even still we're still in the light, you know
what I'm saying. So you're still a part of that source,
of that divine essence of that, you know what I mean?
Like that that uh that I don't know what you
want to call it, the universe, the source, God, whatever
you want to call it. It really doesn't matter. And
guess what, it probably doesn't care what.

Speaker 1 (01:49:08):
You call it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
So that's the real I mean, I think that that's
the real shit right there.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
Right, Yeah, that's the good.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
That's the good news. So yeah, with that being said, uh,
we are going to jump into the meditation. But if
you want, you know, if you're just listening to this
on the Cult of Conspiracy podcast or on metamisteries, you're
listening to it on YouTube, we are we always divulge
of you know, what we experienced during said meditation, and uh, yeah,

(01:49:38):
that's what we're gonna get to By the way, if
you would leave a leave a review, leave us five stars.
If you can, you can comment on Spotify, do whatever,
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like is going through some sort of spiritual awakening, and
maybe this spiritual or fic egg and the snake of
mysteries is just enough to be able to crack that

(01:50:00):
even a little bit more amongst your peers, even symbolically.
And that's the magic of symbolism in general, is that
it speaks volumes. It's not just surface level, it's everything encompassing.
It's almost like, oh, what is it called the surface
level horizon of a black hole? Right, It's like event horizon.

(01:50:22):
So the event horizon, they say at the which is
the surface of a black hole. It encapsulates everything that
ever has gone on and ever will go on, and
everything that is currently going on that is on the surface.
It's the event horizon. It captures every single moment that
has ever existed within that black hole. And so yeah,

(01:50:42):
maybe that's enough to get you excited. Maybe we're living in,
you know, a black hole.

Speaker 4 (01:50:48):
Some people say that the sums I think even some
scientists speculate that that it's possible that we are just
a universe within a universe, and within that black hole
is our universe, and you know what I mean, So
who knows? Man?

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
You know, every time I think of.

Speaker 4 (01:51:02):
A black hole, I I really don't understand it. Like
as much as I think I'm understanding it, I'm like, Okay,
it's a black hole, but it's full of mass, which
would tell me that it's.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Solid, you know, and I don't know. It just gets
wild for me. Yeah, I mean, but I love it though.
It's it's pretty damn fascinating. But uh but yeah, that
being said, we're gonna wrap this baby up and get
over to the meditation. So uh yeah, hopefully you guys
really enjoyed that. But if the orphic and came here
and it taught you anything, it's that you don't know

(01:51:35):
what you don't know, so I'll just get weird.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
Stay weird. What'd you think? Dude?

Speaker 6 (01:51:53):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
I was uh, I was experiencing some some shit.

Speaker 4 (01:51:58):
Yeah yeah, it was elaborate.

Speaker 5 (01:52:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Yeah. So at first I was like, man, that that
sound is kind of fucking whack, you know, at first,
because I was like, man, this just sounds like not
really something that you could get into a meditation with
at first, and then I was like, but what if
it is? What if it was you know, and just
try and prep play around like that, And instantly I

(01:52:28):
started thinking of all right, this is where my mind goes.
So I was thinking, all right, if they say that,
you know in the Bible, that God spoke the universe
into into existence, right, and so that means that it
would have to be some form of harmonics, some form
of frequency, some sort of sound that ultimately made manifest

(01:52:56):
the physical right. And so then and it was just like,
all right, well now I'm thinking, all right, if you
got these I don't want to say these beings, but
just whatever the unity is the source is, right, how
would it create something out of harmonics? At that point,

(01:53:19):
and I was thinking, well, you know, whenever you uh,
let's just say you have like a dresser or something
like that, and you're the only one that's pushing it
and you're trying to move it to a different location
in your house, or maybe you got like a tool
bench or something like that that you're trying to move,
and you know you can't pick it up by yourself,
so it's going to be scraping across the floor, right,
almost like tectonic pate, tectonic plates that are shifting a

(01:53:41):
little bit. That's almost the vibe that it was given off,
and that that sound would be emergent from the physical
being moved at that point. But if, but if sound,
you know, came first before the physicality, then you would
almost need that sound in order to create the physical
So you would need something a little bit more crazy

(01:54:03):
sounding like that, like you're really doing some kind of work,
and so it's gonna sound like, you know, a little
bit chaotic at that point in order to move some
shit around.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
So then I was thinking, all right, well, I'm trying
to imagine what that thing looks like. I started thinking
about the uh, you know, the the angel with the
wheels and the eyes and all that kind of stuff,
that that was ultimately the uh, the unified whatever. I mean,
some people think that that's the angel or whatever. Maybe
it is. But could that wheel within a wheel with

(01:54:37):
all the eyes be the thing that is giving off
the harmonics, that is pushing and forcing things into physical
reality of source?

Speaker 1 (01:54:44):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
And yeah, I don't know. My mind just started getting
a little crazy, and then I was like, all right, well,
if I'm trying to imagine, you know, essentially, you know that, uh,
what was it like, that one little atom that was
compressed before the Big b Yeah, man, I feel like
I'm going crazy. But that one little atom that was

(01:55:05):
compressed before the Big bang, the moment of the explosion,
right before that, you know, I wonder, you know, all right, well,
if if it was just a void of nothingness, I
don't First of all, there's never been any such thing
as nothingness ever, right, nothingness can't exist, right by definition,
it's never existed. It can't exist. So that would mean

(01:55:29):
that that one unified little atom, call that source, call
that God whatever, call that the the pre Big Bang
that existed. If it was just existing in the void,
let's call it. I don't even want to call it nothingness.
Let's just call it the void. And it almost made
me wonder, like, all right, then, that means that that

(01:55:50):
one little atom that was compressed was still within a
container of the void itself. And it made me wonder, like,
I mean, is the void itsself elf conscious?

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
And that brings forth like the idea of the end
and the yang, right, the light inside of the darkness
and the darkness inside of the light with the two
fishes chasing each other. Because I would imagine, you know,
kind of like how I was in the void, I
was aware of the void. I wonder if the void
was aware of me. And that's what they say, is
that you stare into the abyss only to realize that

(01:56:23):
the abyss is staring back up at you.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:56:25):
And what's interesting is when people, you know, as far
as what I hear, when people go into that that
DMT realm, it seems like they are with entities that
are of of other you know, they're not coming from you.
There of an intelligence other than you outside of you.
And so if you look at it that way, then
the void itself would be that still even though to

(01:56:49):
you it looked like it was absence of anything, you know,
but it still had its own intelligence.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
Well, it just made me think, like, all right, that
void was there before I appeared there, and so that void,
being by itself, felt home. Nothing was out of the
ordinary until I popped in. So now it's probably just
as scared of me as I was of it, you
know what I'm saying. If if the void itself is
a conscious thing like a I don't know, maybe it

(01:57:18):
just is consciousness.

Speaker 4 (01:57:19):
It's the it's the you're an interdimensional being to the
void at that point, yes, and so it's and so
now it was losing its own mind by staring back
at me at that point, right, and so now it's
like we're both lost, and so what do we do
to figure this out?

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
We're gonna fucking combine forces, and your pressure, your pressure
that you're applying onto the one little atom that is
me causes the explosion. And you know at that point,
because at first you're scared of each other, then you're like,
all right, let's work together. It's all we got, you know.
And uh, I don't know. I'm just thinking like outside
the box with that. For some reason, that's where my
mind went. It went, you know, angels giving off harmonics,

(01:58:02):
and the the yin yang essentially being the void, and
the awareness and the awareness also be the void also
be consciousness and awareness and of itself.

Speaker 1 (01:58:13):
Mmm, no, that's cool. I love it. I see.

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
I love where the mind goes because I'm sure you
weren't intending on going there. No, you didn't know where
you were gonna go. You didn't know what you'd end
up pondering. But whatever kind of just starts, and then
you kind of just let that build and let it
kind of develop on its own, almost, and then here
you are trying to figure out or understand the beginning
of everything.

Speaker 7 (01:58:36):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:58:36):
It's like, I love that kind of shit. It's one
of my favorite things to think about. I know that
it's something that we'll never understand, and let's be honest,
you can try.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
It's fun to think about, you know. But it's funny
how you.

Speaker 4 (01:58:49):
Went on too pondering about the beginning of everything, And
what I was thinking about it was the like eternal now,
you know, and that's what I went to. And as
far as like because I know that we tend to
do that, we tend to go to the extremes. We
go to the beginning of everything, or the beginning, you know,
the alpha or the omega, the very end of something,

(01:59:10):
the end of something's life. And I think that, and
I know it sounds cliche, but I feel like we
should just be focusing on right now because I feel
like we're always or at least let me speak for myself,
I feel like there's always like this ramping up of something,
like it's always something's building for this next thing or
this thing we have coming up next month or this like, oh,

(01:59:33):
let's get this new promotion or let's all we're gonna
maybe buy a house. Like it's always like this thing
that's not here, and it's like it's never here. But
then I feel like we're just we're missing it. We're
missing the right now.

Speaker 6 (01:59:47):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:59:47):
It's like, but there's no, it's not a race. It's
not this fucking competition that we're at odds with everything
all the time. Let's just like enjoy what we have
right now. That I heard this one guy and I
don't remember who was saying that, but he was talking
about like the purpose of life, you know, and just
saying like, in his opinion, the thing that we should
be doing with the purpose in life is to just

(02:00:09):
enjoy the passage of time. You know, Like that's it,
Like we're in it here. We are like, don't be
so you know, anxious to get somewhere else or to
be you know, to build up to this next higher
level of something.

Speaker 1 (02:00:23):
It's just like be here, dude, because that's all we
got always exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:00:29):
And so yeah, it's funny that you mentioned the the
angels with the with the eyes whatever because at one
point I didn't feel like I saw a bunch of
bunch of eyeballs like staring.

Speaker 1 (02:00:39):
Back at me.

Speaker 4 (02:00:39):
Really, and you bring up the void like observing you. Yeah,
so that's kind of cool. But yeah, I mean, other
than that, nothing, nothing too crazy happened. But it did
feel pretty pretty mystical in its own right, you.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
Know, dude. Yeah, it's man, it's just so crazy because
it's it's things that you never think think about, that
you know that you think about, that you tend to
think about. In meditation, it just causes you to zoom
in farther than you've ever zoomed in before, because what
else are you gonna do? You know, you're not worried
about your next meal, you're not worried about sleeping, you're

(02:01:14):
not worried about anything sexual or working, or you're not
worried about any of that in meditation because you're you're
in that higher perspective, and that higher perspective doesn't need
all those things. You know, that higher perspective can see
beyond just the materialistic shit that is inevitably going to

(02:01:35):
be taken from our cold, dead hands, you know, And
that's the beauty of going so deep in meditation, even
if dude, that was only nine minutes, nine and a
half minutes something like that, and we were able to
gather a lot of information, you know, first off from
you know, the content of what of which we talked about,
but like you know, and then combining that with that

(02:01:56):
sound and you know, and man, it's just crazy that
information and meditation birth's new thought.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:02:06):
And like you said, you know, you just never know
where it's gonna go. Like in the beginning of that meditation,
I was just trying to get into it, you know,
just like all right, let me see what vehicle do
I need to get here, you know, to get where
I'm going. And I just imagined that I was like
inside of an egg of a ufover whatever you want
to call it. I'm inside of this thing and it's
just just barely big enough for me to sit inside

(02:02:29):
of it. And I was able to, like in my imagination,
I was just imagining instead of me moving around, I
imagine that it was just fixed in one location and
everything else was just like just like shifting around and
I'm just stationary, yeah, you know, And then I just
imagine that I'm in this very comfortable, like this thing
is specifically built for me, and like I just try

(02:02:50):
to take it there. And then I just went super relaxed,
and then the thoughts just started going and and and
I used to try not to think about shit, but
like once something starts, then I'm like, okay, let me
build on that and let me just see. There was
a time recently too where I was getting like it
seemed like I was getting images of like almost symbolically,

(02:03:12):
and it felt like almost like a psychic thing going
on where I was like, okay, what does and I
forget exactly now the things that I was being shown,
but I was like, okay, now what does that mean?
And then I would like see something else, and like
it was like I was figuring. So maybe, of course,
I'm sure it was just my subconscious or whatever, but
whatever you want to call it, it was still I
was working with that right right and intentionally. Once it

(02:03:35):
started happening, it was very interesting. Well, spy and whatever
you want to call that.

Speaker 2 (02:03:40):
I mean, let's just say, for the sake of this conversation,
let's just say that you're working essentially with intelligence of
some sort, it seems, and this is the thing that
it took me so long to figure out. But it
seems that if we are able to communicate with anything telepathically,
call it God, call it angels, call it ancestors, call

(02:04:02):
it whatever, divine intelligence, whatever, right, whatever it is that
you're communicating with, it is not loud at all. It
is extremely subtle, like so subtle that it's barely a breeze.
But it's but it's like it's almost like if you're
a flag, you're getting like a little tassel movement, you

(02:04:25):
know what I'm saying, Like you're just a little fiber
that the that the breeze of this consciousness or this
intelligence is barely fluttering up against. And that's something that
I noticed. And so which makes sense why you know
people have praised, you know, people going into meditation, because

(02:04:47):
unless you're in that that you know, that meditative state
where everything finally slows down in your brain, you know,
you're not so much worried about your thoughts, you're just
you know, floating in the ocean of consciousness at that point.
Whenever you're finally there, that's whenever that that soft, little,
barely fart of a whisper comes through and it it

(02:05:10):
shines a light on it, and I think that that's
what that is. I think that that has to be,
that has to be whatever is out there outside of
just our mind is what you know, we can that
we have the ability to communicate with as long as
we you know, turned down the FM radio and tune
into XM or whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:05:31):
Yeah, you know, And like you said, it's a whisper,
you know. But once you are able to actually notice
that little wave of the tassel, then you can like
magnify it, you know, and shed more light on that. Okay,
so what else can I get from this now, you know?
In meditation?

Speaker 2 (02:05:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's a it's freaking interesting, dude.

Speaker 1 (02:05:49):
It's interesting.

Speaker 4 (02:05:50):
I never I never before doing the show, I never
really realized just that just that in general, just being
able to pay attention to those little things, you know.
And it's like, ultimately, even if you don't even want
to call it some divine intelligence outside.

Speaker 1 (02:06:05):
Of you, let's just say it to you.

Speaker 4 (02:06:07):
Still, you're working with the side of yourself that you
didn't even know it was there.

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
Oh dude, It's it's pretty damn powerful. And I love it.
I love working with it. And I think that that's
you know, that's got to be the next step whatever
it is. It's like, that's how you access it.

Speaker 4 (02:06:27):
Yeah, And eventually, dude, I think that maybe, let's say
another hundred years or so, just to be fair, you know,
I feel like more and more people are going to
be aware of noticing the little movement of the tassel
if you will, you know, and I and it's just
going to be normal.

Speaker 2 (02:06:43):
I would think regularly that it would be about one
hundred years, but I say give it fifteen.

Speaker 1 (02:06:50):
Yeah, because it's exponential, right.

Speaker 2 (02:06:51):
It's like it's shit speeding up, bro, like it is.
And maybe it's just a personal thing to me, or
a personal thing to us, or personal thing to the
one that's listening that are also experiencing like these in
extraordinary things that have no explanation. It's like, I think
that it's it's just happening more often, and.

Speaker 4 (02:07:14):
In the words of Terrence McKenna, it is just gonna
get weirder and weirder, and eventually people are gonna have
to start talking about it.

Speaker 3 (02:07:21):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (02:07:23):
So yes, Terrence Howard or Terrence Howard. Terrence McKenna was
a real one too. Terrence Howard's a real one too.
But yeah, all the Terrences out there, something about them.

Speaker 1 (02:07:33):
Dude. If you're a Terrence, we're talking to you too.

Speaker 2 (02:07:35):
My next dog will be named Terrence for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:07:37):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:07:41):
So anyway, the one, we appreciate you sticking with us
through all of this spiritual madness. Hopefully you got a
little something from it, at least something symbolic of the
the orphic egg, and maybe you can find a way
to apply that to your own life and to your
own consciousness and keep on breaking that show.

Speaker 1 (02:07:57):
Baby. That's it. That's it, so you can do anyhow.

Speaker 2 (02:08:01):
All right, Well we're gonna dip it out, dip out
of here, and so we'll see you on the flip side, Okay,

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