August 27, 2025 • 22 mins
René and Shawn explore the definition and origin of yacht rock and mix in some music tribalism.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to another Curveball production, the yacht Rock Edition.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
That is something I thought we would never ever do.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Or say, or that we would talk like we're on
a smooth rock radio station.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I don't think anybody is a clue what yacht rock is.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
That's probably true. Well I don't know. There's a documentary
about it.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
There is, but it's not I didn't know anything about
it until like maybe a year ago. Hi, everybody, welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
We're having our own discussion today. It's a vibe. We're
vibing out to the yacht rock. What is yacht rock?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It was okay, So why are we talking about yacht
rock in the beginning to begin with?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, we could say and this is not true, but
we could tell people that it's because I was thinking
of my road trip playlist and decided that yacht rock
would probably put Tanner to sleep. Yes it would, but
that's not even factual. I just made that up.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I like I said, I ran across it about a
yacht rock's been around. Well, let me back up. Yacht
rock is basically a genre of music that somebody made up.
They just decided that the music from the late seventies
early eighties, they were going to coin the term yacht rock.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And for those of you who are wondering if indeed
we're talking about a boat, we are a yacht right.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
However, the music has nothing to do with a.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Boat or water or sailing or anything, although well, Christopher
Cross's Sailing is a key yacht rock song.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
All right, I think we've either lost everybody or confused everybody,
or a little bit of the both. So yes, we
are going to discuss yacht rock. And the reason behind
it is simple because I'm I didn't know what it was.
I found out what it was, and I'm interested in
what it is.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Well, and what we've discovered in our preparation is is that,
unbeknownst to me, Sean is a big yacht rock fan.
I am all of a sudden, I'm going through this
list of the top one hundred yacht rock songs on Spotify,
and I'm like, hey, you sent me this song. You
sent me you you like this.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Song, like this song. I liked it. And because you
are the aficionado of all things music, Oh, I wouldn't
say that, but well you are, but well, between the
two of us, I would have to say you were,
so I thought it would just be a nice little
conversation piece talk about the music that is yacht rock
(02:44):
and mixing, mix in a little music tribalism and trying
to just how that is all part of the whole
yacht rock genre. So again it's it goes to the
used to be really called soft rock for the most part.
If you think of that, that is what this yacht
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rock is. And it's your it's your criss crosses from
not criss cross that would be the hip hop bag.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Hip hop making daddy mclemaga jump jumps.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That it was not yat rock.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Christopher Cross, Christopher Cross and the I guess the reason
why I was called yacht rock was because it's the
music that kind of makes you feel like you are
just relaxed, cozy on a on a boat on the water.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
If you like that type of thing, and it's just
a relaxing music. Now, one of the key musicians of
the yacht rock genre is Kenny Loginsky and Kenny Logins
had a couple of albums and the album covers for
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both albums he is on a boat and as it's described,
he's on a boat with his shirt unbuttoned, with his
seventy styles chest and we all know what that is,
probably some chains and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
But Kenny Loggins is a yacht rock guy. I'm guessing
Michael Bolton is also.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I yes, I would well, I think he might be
too much. He might be after they rock, isn't correct,
So it would be your one of the the typical
yacht rock band would be your steely Dan. Sure, and
(04:39):
legend has it that what's the lead singer, Dan don Fagen.
Dan Fagen, Yeah, absolutely hates the fact that anybody would
call their music yacht rock. He thinks it's just it's
it's a pejorative term for their music and its demeaning.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Do you think that sidetrack from yacht rock? Do you
think that the hair bands are upset that we refer
to that genre of music as hair band. I don't
like big hair heavy metal bands that probably weren't heavy metal,
but they were rock and roll right well.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And here's and here's really is what the difference is
is that when the hair bands were out and they
were labeled hair bands, it was while they were still
creating music. I mean it was it was there. They
were called hair bands because at the time they were
hair bands.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I think that yacht rock is like a great playlist
to have in the background, right, Yes, it's generally recognizable
tunes to a broad spectrum. I mean, okay, like our
kids aren't going to know too many of those songs.
They're probably not too in touch with Holland Oates except
maybe your kids are my kids because I make them
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listen to it in the car.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Darrel Hall also does not like the term yacht rock.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Which one of them is coming too the State Fair.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I believe it is Daryl Hall.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
John Oates is the one that set He wanted to
sell the rights to the music or something.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And Darryl Hall is going to be there because the
Steve Miller band is not going to be here because
they canceled their entire tour for the summer because they
were concerned the weather was going to be just just
too weird throughout and they just decided would not be
safe for them to tour.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I'm sorry, that is just a sketchy reason to cancer
and to cancel an entire tour that the entire country
is going to be too bizarre.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Correct, Regardless, they're all all without John Oates.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Did I brought up fish during a yacht rock conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I didn't catch that. Now if you brought up seafood, probably.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So on a yacht on a lake or a river
you can.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Well I can't because I can't afford one, but one.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Could wait till the podcast, right and this will be
the one.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, it really takes care of. Speaking of that, got
to give a shout out to a couple of new
listeners in London, Australia.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Oh yeah, absolutely, yep. Maybe we'll hop on a yacht
and head over there.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
We certainly might. But so thank you, thank you very
much for listening. So back back to uh, back to
our our yacht rock and again the the if the
series that you would want to watch, and it came
out in two thousand and five, which is really where
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yacht rock got its start as the name for this
particular genre, and it's simply called yacht rock. And it's
a web series. I think if you search for it
on YouTube you can see it. And it's a parody
of music and musicians of the time.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So it's meant to be funny.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It's meant to be funny and it but it is.
It's I watched a couple of episodes of it. It
is very funny. It is very well done. I like
it because it's got a very dry, droll humor to it. Sure,
but it that is where they say this term came from.
And again, the difference from like when you brought brought
the hair band was this is a term given to
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music that had already been done three decades previous that
somebody just decided that feels like it.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So if we go over some bands for people who
are thinking, Okay, maybe I want to, you know, indulge
in some yacht rock this weekend, we're talking about the
you mentioned Steely Dan, but also bands like Ario Speedwagon,
we mentioned Darryl Hall and John Oates. We can talk
about Chicago Total Total. I mean, who doesn't know the
(08:35):
song Africa for current loud Rupert Holmes Escape otherwise known
as the pinic Colata song.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Correct, another it is and those but and you brought
up another good point earlier. It is music that you
can have in the background. It's not anything that you're
going to necessarily get up and dance and rave to.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Well, there's themes to it. Too often if you look
at what kind of classifies a lot of it has
a romantic vibe or an escapism type thing, right, Like,
it's definitely very chill. This isn't heavy lifting, this isn't
politically anything. There's there are no messages here, I mean
other than maybe don't put an ad in the newspaper
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for a gal if you already got a gal, because
she might respond to your ad and show up at
said restaurant and then you'll find yourself in the middle
of the Escape song by Robert Holmes.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Correct, but it ends up good. I mean, I mean,
when you think about it, it.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Has a happy ending. Boy, I don't think it would
for everyone, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So, but but again it's and I don't think it's music.
We okay, well, last pool party we had, the kids
were there and we had the bluetooth speaker going, and
I just went onto my phone and I pulled up
on YouTube music yacht rock playlist and that's what we
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listened to the entire time. And the kids were fine
with it.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
They were fine with it. I am going to rip
on you just for a quick minute, because you know
how you give me so much grief about saying things
like dental floss or the way you just yeah, because
I'll say we you hand me the ink pen instead
of will you hand me the pen. I'm wondering when
you're gonna quit calling it a bluetooth speaker. You could
(10:23):
just say we listened to it, or I guess we
could specify that it was on a speaker, but you
both need to tell everybody it was a bluetooth speaker,
like that's cutting edge at this point, not so much.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It's not so much that it's cutting edge. It's just
more of the fact that it was on a bluetooth speaker.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Right, which well is It's really all I'm saying is
when you rip on Bee for asking for an ink pen,
I think the on par right in. Let us know
if you think I'm being petty here, because I do
have to.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
It's a good point because if you just said pen,
I might go, what a felt pen?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
A fountain pen?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Good point. So same way as I would just say
when we were listening to it on a speaker, you know,
it would.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Be even better for me because and our listeners should
know this about me. I prefer a blue ink pen.
I get really upset when I have to write with
a black ink pen because I don't know. I just
think the blue ink looks prettier and I'm not alone.
Shout out to Paula at the office.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
We fight over the blue pens, and when we order
pens with our company logo on it, or when I
put the order through, I always make sure they send
blue ink. As a matter of fact, I got pretty
upset one time that they messed that up. Anyway, that
has nothing to do with yacht rock. I'm sorry, I
just hijacked the whole podcast the Blue Tooth.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Well, come back to my bluetooth speaker. Well again, I
don't want to think that there's like people to think
that there's like a radio stage. Well, it might be
a yacht rock radio station. I think any soft rock
radio station, the music they play would be yacht rock.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
What's disturbing to me is that it's really hard to
find a soft rock radio station at this point, as
I recall growing up, and I'm going to use the
Minneapolis market because that's what we're most familiar with. But
growing up, there was a radio station still is today
KS ninety five, right, And when I was a kid,
it would say playing, Oh no, I'm getting mixed up
(12:23):
with one of my radio jobs. But basically it was.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The best sixties seventies.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And today, and then they started going seventies, eighties and today,
and it just keeps going. And now I don't even
know what they say because it's more of a it's
still adult contemporary, and that's where the soft rock genre
kind of comes in. But WLTE, which I don't even
know if there's still a call letters that used to
be the soft rock station, but then now they do
(12:49):
all sorts of different things, so I don't know. It's
it's it's hard as we get older, it's hard to
admit that we're actually like the classics.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Well, yeah, the the oldies stations will play music that
I grew up with.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Well cool one to Wait was the fifties and sixties station,
and now it's like the eighties and nineties station. Other
than the holidays music, they switch over to holiday music
coming up here real quick. It's like it's like I
think the damn t Halloween probably.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Quick. Aside, because you are the radio station person that
I go to for these types of questions. Heard it
today that radio they're talking AI and the just how
radio stations do their programming now And one of the
(13:41):
gentlemen also like you. A fellow disc jockey brought up
call me a jockey, just a jockey. No, see again, now,
i'd have to say, but they're bringing up that radio
stations would when they would do their programming for the day,
they would take into account the any of the latest events,
(14:04):
current events that were going on, what the weather was like,
and they would program the music based on that, just
because it gave it a kind of a theme.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Sure, a vibe. Yeah, I mean a warm summer day,
you're going to get more pop music. I mean, artists
release certain times of music at certain types times of
the year, right, So that makes sense?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
All right? Well, I mean I've never.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Heard of that way, and I can say this because
I'm not in the radio world anymore. But that's got
to be difficult because of the options that people have,
just like television programming, right, I would imagine radio stations
sale advertising sales. That's got to be pretty tricky because
so many people are just streaming music from one of
(14:45):
their streaming services or their.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Own play correct. Well, that's where the advertising is going now.
It's too the streaming services to YouTube, because that's where
the like a lot of the talk radio now is
going out onto streaming it onto YouTube, just because that's
where everybody's at.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well, and I think people listen. I think if you're
a DJ or a radio personality as we like to
call them, sean correct, Sorry, people are listening for that banter,
for the personality side of it there, because that's kind
of content. You can get it on podcasts, but that's
really more of a radio thing, and it's very current
(15:25):
events because whatever they're talking about at the time you're listening,
it's live, okay, so much different than a podcast like
this one that could be recorded anywhere. I think people
who are listening to radio stations during their drive in
to work or home from work, or listening to the
personalities now it's certainly not for the music.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
They can get that anywhere, right, and a lot of
and a lot of the radio stations nowadays not only
do it live, but then they record it for a
podcast and will consistently say, Hey, if you missed what
we were talking about when we started this conversation last hour,
go back and check out the podcast.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Right right out to WJJY w jj why up in
the Brainerd Lakes area. Okay, my kids still love that station,
and I would argue that they're a bit of a
yacht rock kind of station up there, and we do
have a pretty good time with that. So my question
to you before we talk a little bit about music tribalism. Yes, uh,
yacht rock sean guilty pleasure or peer pleasure.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Pure peer pleasure.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Oh, it is guilty pleasure. I mean I love it,
and I loves those sing alongs, like I mean, when
I'm alone in the car, that's awesome because you know
all the words.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Well. See. The only reason that I would say for
me it's a peer pleasure because once I've discovered what okay,
then back up, I've kind of always liked that genre
of music before it was labeled yacht rock, now that
I know what it is. When I'm on site where
I'm at a meeting event and i'm setting up or
getting ready, quite often I will pull up a yacht
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rock playlist and just play it over the PA system
while I'm getting stuffed done in the room. Would be
coming and going, hey, I like that song.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, it's like a step up from elevator music. It's
the kind of music we actually listen to an elevators.
Now it's usually just a version. Yeah, I mean, it
used to be the classical, but now it's or you're
a rock when you're shopping at rolls.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
That's that's where, that's where you're going to hear it.
And it is, but it is, like I said, everybody
kind of nobody hates it.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Okay, that's a blanket statement. I'm quite certain I could
name people who hate rock well that which is why
it's my guilty pleasure.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
That would be the music tribalism in me coming out right,
because I will, I will, I will fight for yacht
rock because I believe that it has a it is legitimate,
even though it wasn't until two thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I think it's ironic that you would fight for yacht
rock because you're a lover, not a fighter, a fighter exactly.
But that's why you like thech like the rock. It's
a nice.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
But music tribalism is is this concept that people fall
in love with their music and their bands and they will,
they will fight for it. They will they will gather
around with other people who like that group or that
band or that type of music.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I think those are called groupies.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Group yeah, back in the day they were called groupies.
Now is music tribalism, Oh, I understand that because that
just sounds a bit more weird. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I remember when you brought it up to me. I
was like, what you gave the example of the Grateful Dead,
the Dead Yes, really good example of music tribalism, right,
I mean that is like a they have a cult following,
but it was never a cult following, right. It's it's
been huge for so long. It's not like this little
indie band that has what you're talking about a little tribalism. Like, Okay,
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here's this little group. The people that are committed and
dedicated and love these bands, they cannot understand why anybody
wouldn't like their music.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
What's the one band that's around here that everybody on
the radio likes? Trampled by Turtles? Is that what it is?
I know that I've heard about them all over the place,
and those people who like them.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Shout out to uh, the coolie boys out of Wisconsin,
the Coolier area of Wisconsin. They're actually my second cousins,
and they've opened for fair enough anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
But it is it is that to to the to
the Grateful Dead and the dead Heads. If you were
to try to talk to one of them and say
how you don't like the music. I mean, you're done.
It's it's you're you're out of the picture because they
just you have to people who think, like the Beatles
are the greatest band in the world. If you don't
think that they're the greatest band in the world, then
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you're an idiot because you just you gotta You're just
not You don't get it. You don't understand.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It's like art, right when you go to a Musicum,
she's like, isn't this fantastic? And I'm looking at it,
going I don't know. It looks like something that my
kid did and when they were in the third grade.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And they and they they absolutely one hundred percent don't
understand how someone could like one song or two songs
from that band and go, yeah, those are good songs.
I'll take those and not like everything else.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Right to the B side. Yes, gotta love the be
You gotta go do the deep dive on the albums.
I do miss albums. You know, there was a lot
of satisfaction in turning over that hunk of vinyl and
hearing what was on the bud.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
We still enjoy it. Just after you got me the turntable.
We'll still put some put some vinyl down and listen
to it through the bluetooth into the speaker system.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Chris thinking about turntable and Lauren always saying table turned. Oh,
speaking of mocking each other about this whole extended definition
phrase or identifier. Yes, sometimes it's important and uh, for instance,
if you say to somebody, hey, let's go to the derby,
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one may not know if you're talking about, say a
derby where horses are racing, or a demolition derby correct,
where cars are going to crash. So you know, sometimes
it helps to put that it.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Sometimes it does. She's not making fun of every anybody
in particular.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Not making fun, but it brings me great joy.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
So I think we have definitely intrigued and peaked the
interest of pretty much all of our listeners, who I'm
guessing about ten minutes ago, go went wait a minute,
I'm gonna listen to some yacht rock instead of these guys.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Well, I thought you were going to say, they're like, wow,
these guys are just droning on and change the channel. Oh,
not the channel, we're not on radio right, switch to
another podcast. But I hope that this has inspired, as
you put, for somebody who go grab a yacht rock
playlist and you know, treat the people around you.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Come join our tribe.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
This has been another for Vowel production
Welcome to another Curveball production, the yacht Rock Edition.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
That is something I thought we would never ever do.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Or say, or that we would talk like we're on
a smooth rock radio station.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I don't think anybody is a clue what yacht rock is.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
That's probably true. Well I don't know. There's a documentary
about it.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
There is, but it's not I didn't know anything about
it until like maybe a year ago. Hi, everybody, welcome.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
We're having our own discussion today. It's a vibe. We're
vibing out to the yacht rock. What is yacht rock?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It was okay, So why are we talking about yacht
rock in the beginning to begin with?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, we could say and this is not true, but
we could tell people that it's because I was thinking
of my road trip playlist and decided that yacht rock
would probably put Tanner to sleep. Yes it would, but
that's not even factual. I just made that up.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I like I said, I ran across it about a
yacht rock's been around. Well, let me back up. Yacht
rock is basically a genre of music that somebody made up.
They just decided that the music from the late seventies
early eighties, they were going to coin the term yacht rock.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And for those of you who are wondering if indeed
we're talking about a boat, we are a yacht right.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
However, the music has nothing to do with a.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Boat or water or sailing or anything, although well, Christopher
Cross's Sailing is a key yacht rock song.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
All right, I think we've either lost everybody or confused everybody,
or a little bit of the both. So yes, we
are going to discuss yacht rock. And the reason behind
it is simple because I'm I didn't know what it was.
I found out what it was, and I'm interested in
what it is.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Well, and what we've discovered in our preparation is is that,
unbeknownst to me, Sean is a big yacht rock fan.
I am all of a sudden, I'm going through this
list of the top one hundred yacht rock songs on Spotify,
and I'm like, hey, you sent me this song. You
sent me you you like this.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Song, like this song. I liked it. And because you
are the aficionado of all things music, Oh, I wouldn't
say that, but well you are, but well, between the
two of us, I would have to say you were,
so I thought it would just be a nice little
conversation piece talk about the music that is yacht rock
(02:44):
and mixing, mix in a little music tribalism and trying
to just how that is all part of the whole
yacht rock genre. So again it's it goes to the
used to be really called soft rock for the most part.
If you think of that, that is what this yacht
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rock is. And it's your it's your criss crosses from
not criss cross that would be the hip hop bag.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Hip hop making daddy mclemaga jump jumps.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
That it was not yat rock.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
Christopher Cross, Christopher Cross and the I guess the reason
why I was called yacht rock was because it's the
music that kind of makes you feel like you are
just relaxed, cozy on a on a boat on the water.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
If you like that type of thing, and it's just
a relaxing music. Now, one of the key musicians of
the yacht rock genre is Kenny Loginsky and Kenny Logins
had a couple of albums and the album covers for
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both albums he is on a boat and as it's described,
he's on a boat with his shirt unbuttoned, with his
seventy styles chest and we all know what that is,
probably some chains and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
But Kenny Loggins is a yacht rock guy. I'm guessing
Michael Bolton is also.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I yes, I would well, I think he might be
too much. He might be after they rock, isn't correct,
So it would be your one of the the typical
yacht rock band would be your steely Dan. Sure, and
(04:39):
legend has it that what's the lead singer, Dan don Fagen.
Dan Fagen, Yeah, absolutely hates the fact that anybody would
call their music yacht rock. He thinks it's just it's
it's a pejorative term for their music and its demeaning.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Do you think that sidetrack from yacht rock? Do you
think that the hair bands are upset that we refer
to that genre of music as hair band. I don't
like big hair heavy metal bands that probably weren't heavy metal,
but they were rock and roll right well.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
And here's and here's really is what the difference is
is that when the hair bands were out and they
were labeled hair bands, it was while they were still
creating music. I mean it was it was there. They
were called hair bands because at the time they were
hair bands.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I think that yacht rock is like a great playlist
to have in the background, right, Yes, it's generally recognizable
tunes to a broad spectrum. I mean, okay, like our
kids aren't going to know too many of those songs.
They're probably not too in touch with Holland Oates except
maybe your kids are my kids because I make them
(05:50):
listen to it in the car.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Darrel Hall also does not like the term yacht rock.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Which one of them is coming too the State Fair.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I believe it is Daryl Hall.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
John Oates is the one that set He wanted to
sell the rights to the music or something.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
And Darryl Hall is going to be there because the
Steve Miller band is not going to be here because
they canceled their entire tour for the summer because they
were concerned the weather was going to be just just
too weird throughout and they just decided would not be
safe for them to tour.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I'm sorry, that is just a sketchy reason to cancer
and to cancel an entire tour that the entire country
is going to be too bizarre.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Correct, Regardless, they're all all without John Oates.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Did I brought up fish during a yacht rock conversation.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I didn't catch that. Now if you brought up seafood, probably.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
So on a yacht on a lake or a river
you can.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Well I can't because I can't afford one, but one.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Could wait till the podcast, right and this will be
the one.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, it really takes care of. Speaking of that, got
to give a shout out to a couple of new
listeners in London, Australia.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Oh yeah, absolutely, yep. Maybe we'll hop on a yacht
and head over there.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
We certainly might. But so thank you, thank you very
much for listening. So back back to uh, back to
our our yacht rock and again the the if the
series that you would want to watch, and it came
out in two thousand and five, which is really where
(07:28):
yacht rock got its start as the name for this
particular genre, and it's simply called yacht rock. And it's
a web series. I think if you search for it
on YouTube you can see it. And it's a parody
of music and musicians of the time.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So it's meant to be funny.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It's meant to be funny and it but it is.
It's I watched a couple of episodes of it. It
is very funny. It is very well done. I like
it because it's got a very dry, droll humor to it. Sure,
but it that is where they say this term came from.
And again, the difference from like when you brought brought
the hair band was this is a term given to
(08:07):
music that had already been done three decades previous that
somebody just decided that feels like it.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
So if we go over some bands for people who
are thinking, Okay, maybe I want to, you know, indulge
in some yacht rock this weekend, we're talking about the
you mentioned Steely Dan, but also bands like Ario Speedwagon,
we mentioned Darryl Hall and John Oates. We can talk
about Chicago Total Total. I mean, who doesn't know the
(08:35):
song Africa for current loud Rupert Holmes Escape otherwise known
as the pinic Colata song.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Correct, another it is and those but and you brought
up another good point earlier. It is music that you
can have in the background. It's not anything that you're
going to necessarily get up and dance and rave to.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Well, there's themes to it. Too often if you look
at what kind of classifies a lot of it has
a romantic vibe or an escapism type thing, right, Like,
it's definitely very chill. This isn't heavy lifting, this isn't
politically anything. There's there are no messages here, I mean
other than maybe don't put an ad in the newspaper
(09:16):
for a gal if you already got a gal, because
she might respond to your ad and show up at
said restaurant and then you'll find yourself in the middle
of the Escape song by Robert Holmes.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Correct, but it ends up good. I mean, I mean,
when you think about it, it.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Has a happy ending. Boy, I don't think it would
for everyone, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
So, but but again it's and I don't think it's music.
We okay, well, last pool party we had, the kids
were there and we had the bluetooth speaker going, and
I just went onto my phone and I pulled up
on YouTube music yacht rock playlist and that's what we
(09:58):
listened to the entire time. And the kids were fine
with it.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
They were fine with it. I am going to rip
on you just for a quick minute, because you know
how you give me so much grief about saying things
like dental floss or the way you just yeah, because
I'll say we you hand me the ink pen instead
of will you hand me the pen. I'm wondering when
you're gonna quit calling it a bluetooth speaker. You could
(10:23):
just say we listened to it, or I guess we
could specify that it was on a speaker, but you
both need to tell everybody it was a bluetooth speaker,
like that's cutting edge at this point, not so much.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
It's not so much that it's cutting edge. It's just
more of the fact that it was on a bluetooth speaker.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Right, which well is It's really all I'm saying is
when you rip on Bee for asking for an ink pen,
I think the on par right in. Let us know
if you think I'm being petty here, because I do
have to.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
It's a good point because if you just said pen,
I might go, what a felt pen?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
A fountain pen?
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Good point. So same way as I would just say
when we were listening to it on a speaker, you know,
it would.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Be even better for me because and our listeners should
know this about me. I prefer a blue ink pen.
I get really upset when I have to write with
a black ink pen because I don't know. I just
think the blue ink looks prettier and I'm not alone.
Shout out to Paula at the office.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
We fight over the blue pens, and when we order
pens with our company logo on it, or when I
put the order through, I always make sure they send
blue ink. As a matter of fact, I got pretty
upset one time that they messed that up. Anyway, that
has nothing to do with yacht rock. I'm sorry, I
just hijacked the whole podcast the Blue Tooth.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Well, come back to my bluetooth speaker. Well again, I
don't want to think that there's like people to think
that there's like a radio stage. Well, it might be
a yacht rock radio station. I think any soft rock
radio station, the music they play would be yacht rock.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
What's disturbing to me is that it's really hard to
find a soft rock radio station at this point, as
I recall growing up, and I'm going to use the
Minneapolis market because that's what we're most familiar with. But
growing up, there was a radio station still is today
KS ninety five, right, And when I was a kid,
it would say playing, Oh no, I'm getting mixed up
(12:23):
with one of my radio jobs. But basically it was.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
The best sixties seventies.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And today, and then they started going seventies, eighties and today,
and it just keeps going. And now I don't even
know what they say because it's more of a it's
still adult contemporary, and that's where the soft rock genre
kind of comes in. But WLTE, which I don't even
know if there's still a call letters that used to
be the soft rock station, but then now they do
(12:49):
all sorts of different things, so I don't know. It's
it's it's hard as we get older, it's hard to
admit that we're actually like the classics.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Well, yeah, the the oldies stations will play music that
I grew up with.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Well cool one to Wait was the fifties and sixties station,
and now it's like the eighties and nineties station. Other
than the holidays music, they switch over to holiday music
coming up here real quick. It's like it's like I
think the damn t Halloween probably.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Quick. Aside, because you are the radio station person that
I go to for these types of questions. Heard it
today that radio they're talking AI and the just how
radio stations do their programming now And one of the
(13:41):
gentlemen also like you. A fellow disc jockey brought up
call me a jockey, just a jockey. No, see again, now,
i'd have to say, but they're bringing up that radio
stations would when they would do their programming for the day,
they would take into account the any of the latest events,
(14:04):
current events that were going on, what the weather was like,
and they would program the music based on that, just
because it gave it a kind of a theme.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Sure, a vibe. Yeah, I mean a warm summer day,
you're going to get more pop music. I mean, artists
release certain times of music at certain types times of
the year, right, So that makes sense?
Speaker 2 (14:22):
All right? Well, I mean I've never.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Heard of that way, and I can say this because
I'm not in the radio world anymore. But that's got
to be difficult because of the options that people have,
just like television programming, right, I would imagine radio stations
sale advertising sales. That's got to be pretty tricky because
so many people are just streaming music from one of
(14:45):
their streaming services or their.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Own play correct. Well, that's where the advertising is going now.
It's too the streaming services to YouTube, because that's where
the like a lot of the talk radio now is
going out onto streaming it onto YouTube, just because that's
where everybody's at.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well, and I think people listen. I think if you're
a DJ or a radio personality as we like to
call them, sean correct, Sorry, people are listening for that banter,
for the personality side of it there, because that's kind
of content. You can get it on podcasts, but that's
really more of a radio thing, and it's very current
(15:25):
events because whatever they're talking about at the time you're listening,
it's live, okay, so much different than a podcast like
this one that could be recorded anywhere. I think people
who are listening to radio stations during their drive in
to work or home from work, or listening to the
personalities now it's certainly not for the music.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
They can get that anywhere, right, and a lot of
and a lot of the radio stations nowadays not only
do it live, but then they record it for a
podcast and will consistently say, Hey, if you missed what
we were talking about when we started this conversation last hour,
go back and check out the podcast.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Right right out to WJJY w jj why up in
the Brainerd Lakes area. Okay, my kids still love that station,
and I would argue that they're a bit of a
yacht rock kind of station up there, and we do
have a pretty good time with that. So my question
to you before we talk a little bit about music tribalism. Yes, uh,
yacht rock sean guilty pleasure or peer pleasure.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Pure peer pleasure.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Oh, it is guilty pleasure. I mean I love it,
and I loves those sing alongs, like I mean, when
I'm alone in the car, that's awesome because you know
all the words.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Well. See. The only reason that I would say for
me it's a peer pleasure because once I've discovered what okay,
then back up, I've kind of always liked that genre
of music before it was labeled yacht rock, now that
I know what it is. When I'm on site where
I'm at a meeting event and i'm setting up or
getting ready, quite often I will pull up a yacht
(16:55):
rock playlist and just play it over the PA system
while I'm getting stuffed done in the room. Would be
coming and going, hey, I like that song.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, it's like a step up from elevator music. It's
the kind of music we actually listen to an elevators.
Now it's usually just a version. Yeah, I mean, it
used to be the classical, but now it's or you're
a rock when you're shopping at rolls.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
That's that's where, that's where you're going to hear it.
And it is, but it is, like I said, everybody
kind of nobody hates it.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Okay, that's a blanket statement. I'm quite certain I could
name people who hate rock well that which is why
it's my guilty pleasure.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
That would be the music tribalism in me coming out right,
because I will, I will, I will fight for yacht
rock because I believe that it has a it is legitimate,
even though it wasn't until two thousand and five.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I think it's ironic that you would fight for yacht
rock because you're a lover, not a fighter, a fighter exactly.
But that's why you like thech like the rock. It's
a nice.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
But music tribalism is is this concept that people fall
in love with their music and their bands and they will,
they will fight for it. They will they will gather
around with other people who like that group or that
band or that type of music.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I think those are called groupies.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Group yeah, back in the day they were called groupies.
Now is music tribalism, Oh, I understand that because that
just sounds a bit more weird. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I remember when you brought it up to me. I
was like, what you gave the example of the Grateful Dead,
the Dead Yes, really good example of music tribalism, right,
I mean that is like a they have a cult following,
but it was never a cult following, right. It's it's
been huge for so long. It's not like this little
indie band that has what you're talking about a little tribalism. Like, Okay,
(18:56):
here's this little group. The people that are committed and
dedicated and love these bands, they cannot understand why anybody
wouldn't like their music.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
What's the one band that's around here that everybody on
the radio likes? Trampled by Turtles? Is that what it is?
I know that I've heard about them all over the place,
and those people who like them.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Shout out to uh, the coolie boys out of Wisconsin,
the Coolier area of Wisconsin. They're actually my second cousins,
and they've opened for fair enough anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
But it is it is that to to the to
the Grateful Dead and the dead Heads. If you were
to try to talk to one of them and say
how you don't like the music. I mean, you're done.
It's it's you're you're out of the picture because they
just you have to people who think, like the Beatles
are the greatest band in the world. If you don't
think that they're the greatest band in the world, then
(19:52):
you're an idiot because you just you gotta You're just
not You don't get it. You don't understand.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It's like art, right when you go to a Musicum,
she's like, isn't this fantastic? And I'm looking at it,
going I don't know. It looks like something that my
kid did and when they were in the third grade.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And they and they they absolutely one hundred percent don't
understand how someone could like one song or two songs
from that band and go, yeah, those are good songs.
I'll take those and not like everything else.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Right to the B side. Yes, gotta love the be
You gotta go do the deep dive on the albums.
I do miss albums. You know, there was a lot
of satisfaction in turning over that hunk of vinyl and
hearing what was on the bud.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
We still enjoy it. Just after you got me the turntable.
We'll still put some put some vinyl down and listen
to it through the bluetooth into the speaker system.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Chris thinking about turntable and Lauren always saying table turned. Oh,
speaking of mocking each other about this whole extended definition
phrase or identifier. Yes, sometimes it's important and uh, for instance,
if you say to somebody, hey, let's go to the derby,
(21:05):
one may not know if you're talking about, say a
derby where horses are racing, or a demolition derby correct,
where cars are going to crash. So you know, sometimes
it helps to put that it.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Sometimes it does. She's not making fun of every anybody
in particular.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Not making fun, but it brings me great joy.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
So I think we have definitely intrigued and peaked the
interest of pretty much all of our listeners, who I'm
guessing about ten minutes ago, go went wait a minute,
I'm gonna listen to some yacht rock instead of these guys.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Well, I thought you were going to say, they're like, wow,
these guys are just droning on and change the channel. Oh,
not the channel, we're not on radio right, switch to
another podcast. But I hope that this has inspired, as
you put, for somebody who go grab a yacht rock
playlist and you know, treat the people around you.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Come join our tribe.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
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