September 10, 2025 • 41 mins
Shawn dials up René and her son Tanner as they finish up a long car trip back to Grand Canyon University and provide us with stories from the road.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Come to another Curveball production. I am coming to you
from the Studio A. We have Renee and Tanner joining
us from Studio CenTra somewhere outside of flag Staff correct, correct.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hefty two miles of flag stapshan.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
They're on the road trip. They're moving Tanner down to
back down to Grand Canyon, and they're having a joyous time.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Correct joyous.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yes, I like how we are on day four of
a road trip. It has been quite the adventure. We
did have a little quick meeting before we started recording
the podcast to make sure that we didn't divulge any
of the what happens in the car stays in the
car secrets right beyond that anything.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
There are so for me, there's a couple of reasons
for this podcast. One was because it though'd be cool
to get, you know, just a flavor from the road
as you're moving down as you go along. But more importantly,
they are on what our this will be like twenty
of twenty two for the actual drive time something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh way more than that, it's twenty twenty seven out.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Of twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Twenty seven out of twenty nine, and Tanner, you have
driven of those twenty seven hours, how many.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Zero?
Speaker 6 (01:35):
Because my mom won't let me so a little bit
of a control freak, but I love her.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
And I got a And then.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Ironically, since we last spoke, when you came up with
this idea, which let's be honest, the real reason that
you came up with the idea is you're trying to
keep me awake. But since we last spoke, we nearly
got into a head on collision because we're on a
two lane road and there was a car passing coming
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right at us and I had to slam on the.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Brakes and move into the shoulder.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I typically don't have road rage or aggressive driving behavior.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
He did receive the bird.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Nice from me. Yeah, well, you know what, you nearly
kill me.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
And my kid. That warns the middle Finger.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
And it comes down to swearing and using curse words.
If used appropriately, there's nothing wrong with that, and I
think that was appropriate use of the bird.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Well done.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I felt like it was. I didn't even say anything.
I just I just aggressively raised by middle Finger.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So you guys took off early early Friday morning. It's
a as you're listening to this podcast, it is Monday
afternoon and your first stop as you drove away from
the Big to the Twin Cities, you stopped. Well, your
your destination was the Black Hills in Mount Rushmore, as
we know from our podcast about Mount Rushmore. But you
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made stops along the way that you had to make correct.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Correct, correct, made stopped such as the Corn Palace. We
went to the Badlands National Park where we fed prairie.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Dogs and hiking. Yeah, and we did quite a bit
of hiking.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
We also enjoyed Waldrug and yeah, the Mitchell Corn Palace. Surprisingly,
Tanner gave it a five out of ten and he
said he was glad.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That we stopped.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
The ranch House is just outside Badlands National Park and
that's where we fed the prairie dogs, which is pretty exciting.
And then oh, then we hiked in the Badlands. That
was really fun and very hot, sweaty. And then we
went to Waldrug right yep, that tolled into Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
To see sunset Mount.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Rush And for those of you who are not familiar
with this particular route, this is basically I ninety from
the eastern side of South Dakota all the way to
the western side of South Dakota, and it is it's
some nice trips along the way, just to stop break
up the monotony of the eighty mile an hour speed
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limit on that interstate. I'm not correct. If I'm correct,
good correction.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
You know, honestly, that first day we packed an awful
lot of stuff in.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
We stayed in a charming hotel in Keystone.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
It was the wind the Ramata, and it was clean
and the location was excellent and it was only like
one hundred and twenty bucks a night. And then we
walked to a cute little restaurant for dinner, and then
we set off.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
For Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So before we go any further, you went to Mount Russia.
Because we did the podcast on Mount Rushmore, we have
to stop and talk a little bit about Mount Washmore.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
How was it?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And I'll let you answer it was.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
It was pretty cool. I mean, I've never seen it before.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
My mom saw it a long time ago, and honestly,
it was pretty cool to see. I mean, a little overhyped,
a little smaller than I anticipated on a being, but
you know, it was pretty pretty cool to look at.
You know, how these people got their faces carved in
a side of a mountain?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Slash hill slash hill did you and did you make
it too crazy horse?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And oh that was a potential.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
We we did. There was not much open there.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
We just drove in the visitors parking lot and then
it started our trek down to Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
It looked pretty cool, but just there wasn't enough time
and nothing was open at that early in the morning.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Got it, Yes, because you were up early because you
had to get on the road, because you had to
get to Salt Lake City, but also because along the
way you wanted to make sure you saved time to
stop to see the furry cows.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
That was a very disappointing fact of our trip. It's
too bad that we didn't play road TRIPPINGO. One of
Tanner's requests was that he would see bison, otherwise known
as furry cows. You would think we'd see some bison
in South Dakota, or perhaps day two would we tracked
across Wyoming furry cows. We did see an elk, so
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that was pretty exciting, and of course the aforementioned frairiy
dogs in South Dakota. But I don't I have a
spoiler alert, but the spoiler alert is Tanner finally does
get to see his cows, but it's not where we
think we're going to see them.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Right, Stay tuned, Stay tuned further for further in the podcast,
probably right after the first commercial break.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
We had a really good time. Day two was the
longest day on the road. What do we do to
break that road up? Well, that was the worst one.
We didn't really get any steps in hardly because it
was just like ten hours of driving, and we did.
Oh when we got into Salt Lake City, we checked
into our hotel and we went on a overlook hike
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to Ensign's Park, which was pretty cool, so you could
see all of Salt Lake City. And we also did
the downtown area and saw the temple for the LDS church.
We're not LDS and we'll leave that there, but anyway,
it's quite the magnific constructure.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And then the.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Next morning we quickly got on the road because Tanner
wanted to take a peek at University of Utah, and
then later on we went to BYU, not because we're
ever going to go there, but just because it's something
to do on a road trip.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I was really impressed actually with the University at Utah.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Yeah, it's a it's a cool school, and going to
Grand Canyon it kind of shows me what other campuses
look like.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Plus it was, you know, a lot bigger than what
I've heard about.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
And I'm just a big football fan, so it's cool
to see these stadiums and where these schools play.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So yeah, and we tried to break in.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
That was unsuccessful, but we did walk through some lovely
gardens and got a lot of steps in, so that
was awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
We definitely made up for our lack of steps the
day before.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And so so tenor, are you thinking for your graduate
studies you'll go to a University of Utah?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, I mean, if they take me, I'll go.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Hold up last, we had a conversation about grad school
on this very road trip and you said, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I'm good with school for a while.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Well, if somebody pays for me to do it, then
I got it.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
I gotta do it right.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Right at this time, the person paying for your school
would be you yourself, and you yeah. And then we
went to BYU and that was interesting. I didn't think
the campus was It's pretty because it's snug right up
against the mountains, but other than that, it was really
unimpressive compared to University of Utah.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
So yeah, we parked in a church parking lot where
they were having a service.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, yeah, that was fine. We just kind of walked
around it.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Also, yesterday morning was our kind of first rainy ish day,
so it was nice. It actually held off for the
most part while we were walking around these campuses, and
it broke up the the road trip quite a bit
because then our goal was to get to Zion National Park.
The goal of this entire road trip, other than to
just spend time together, of course, was to get to
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Zion and do some hikes there, and we were fortunate
enough to be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Last night.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
We pulled into town stated a great secret hotel that
we won't tell anyone about.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And Renee holds her whatever she finds a good a
good hotel somewhere.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I'll give you a hint. I'm an i HG member, right,
so nobody always it right outside the park.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I'm not in Springdale where most people stay. But it
worked out really really well. It's a brand new hotel
and we did uh went into Zion last night and
we did three little hikes. It was the Emerald Pools
hike the lower, middle, and upper and it was a
good warm up for today's hike.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Indeed, there was a nice break and iike to test
their true abilities.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
After being in the car all day. Then you get out,
it's a good warm up, good stretch the gams.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
It's great to uh get out of the car and
you know, see some places you've never seen before.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I forgot to mention. I've been a little delirious on
the road trip. And in spite of the fact that
I have had to I haven't had drive.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I've chosen to drive.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I won't let Tanner drive because, as he mentioned, I'm
a bit of a control freak. Anyway, as we were
leaving University of Utah, you know, we were looking at
the architecture of the homes there, and I get distracted
when I drive, and that's probably not a good reason
to drive.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Disted interesting.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
And so we were down in this little college town
area and I was looking at some homes and I
came to a stop and I went and Tanner is
the funniest road trip companion. Most people would start screaming, stop, stop,
it's a red light. Tanner and his very calm and
cool collected voice goes, Okay, I guess we're running red
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lights now, And I said what, I just went through
that red light, and I mean I stopped like it
was a blinking red light.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Except we thankfully did not get te boned.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Nope, we indeed made it through safely.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
But a minute there, I didn't know what my mom
was doing that she's trying to make sure I didn't
make it back to college. Oh.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Also, I forgot to tell you.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
One of the big things on this road trip is
Renee's trying to learn how to tap with her phone.
With her phone, okay, so I keep trying to tap.
And I started this about a week before the road trip,
and Tanner's been trying to teach me how.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
He's a good teacher. I just am on the struggle bus, okay.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
And every time I go to tap, it's an extended process,
and I'm sure that the clerk wherever we are is
very frustrated with my inability to do this efficiently. So
when we got to the ranch house in South Dakota,
I hate to back up, but this is worth telling.
I went in and I was trying to tap to
get our one dollar bags of unsalted peanuts to feed
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the prairie dogs. And I said, I'm so sorry. I'm
still learning this tap thing. And the guy's like, that's okay,
you know, take your time. And it really was a
bit of a struggle, and so he said, you know,
where are you headed? And I said, you know, bringing
him to school or and he was dressed kind of
it doesn't matter, but he was an older gentleman and
he looked a little haphazard. Well about forty five minutes later,
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we pulled into bad Lands National Park and I was
attempting to tap to get my America the Beautiful Pass,
which is eighty dollars that leeds you into all national
parks for an entire year, which made sense on this
road trip of ours. So as I go, I say
to the guy at the window, can I tap? And
he says, yep, you sure can, And so I start
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trying to do it, and again I'm failing miserably, and
the guy says, do you think you'll have this tapping
figured out by the time you get done with this trip?
And I just kind of looked at him and I'm like, oh, yeah,
I'm trying, and he goes, are what you heading back
to school and Tanner's like yeah, and he goes, okay,
and then he said something to me again about the tapping.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And hopefully you'll get this tapping down.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Oh yeah, he goes, hopefully you'll get this tapping figured
out by the time you get to Phoenix. And I'm like, yeah, right,
And then I go do I because I started it
was a creepy vibe, like how did he know that
I was struggling with the tapping and all of a
sudden like do I know you? And he goes, I
was the guy that's told you the peanuts.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
At the ranch house And I'm like what.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Well, like Superman himself, he'd quickly changed into a National
Park Ranger outfit, which doesn't look disheveled at all. It
was very and and he was laughing his ass off
at me. So like, somehow in the midst of me
feeding the prairie dogs, this guy changes runs to the
shack that's five miles down the road and mocks me
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for my inability to tap for payment.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And that's just and that's just day one.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, that was day one.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Then that night I was so tired when I went
to pay the server at the restaurant that was funny,
Tanna or cheese.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
On his wedges and tell them what happened. Okay.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
So, like any Midwesterner, I like cheese on anything, okay,
And normally when I'm at Buffalo Wild Wings, I always
say too, I always say to them. I asked them plately,
can you put cheese on the wedges?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
And they ask, you know what kind of cheese? Because
it's so normal.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Well, me totally keeking out, I'm like, hey, you know,
could you put some cheese on my potato wedges? And
she was looking at me like she's never heard of
that in her life. And so later on she came
back and she gave me a little parmesan cheese shaker
for things that.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Like you get it, a pizza parlay.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Yeah, I mean like put on like lasagna or grated.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
She said she has to be put in front of
them and said, here, you can use this cheese at
your wedges.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
I mean, I wish they'd have tried a little harder there,
but you know, it's it's a good effort by them.
I mean, I'm sure they all were laughing their ass
off behind the scene.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Okay, So here's the other funny thing. I was tired.
We had been up since four o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Okay, And the server who had announced to somebody else
that was her last night there, and she was cute
as a bugsyer, very nice, and she did a wonderful job.
She hands me the paything again. Who's trying to tap
to pay but this girl and she says, okay, and
then it shows me the screen to add a tip,
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and I see eight fifteen twenty. Our bill was forty dollars,
and I was annoyed and shocked because I thought my
choices were tipping. Mind you, I do eat out, like
this is crazy, but I do eat out. I know
how this works in my mind. Until halfway through the
next day, I thought my choices for tipping were eight,
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fifteen and twenty dollars, and I was annoyed that they
would insinuate that I should tip fifty percent on a
forty dollars bill. And I tipped her eight dollars because
that's twenty percent and I'm a single bomb.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And so I went on and.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
I was barking about this to Sean the next morning,
and Tanner and I kept driving, and Tanner said, funny,
when you said that I couldn't hear you because the
music was so loud, but I assumed you were talking
about percentages, and it occurred to me, I'm sure that
those numbers representative percentages. So that poor cute girl who
did a very nice job on her last day of work,
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got an eight percent tip for me, I bet you
a dollar to a donut. I haven't went back and
looked at the charge, but yeah, so I feel like
a real jerk.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Well done.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
I was telling her, you know, later on the next day,
I'm like, you know, tipping that much seemsat crazy, like
it must be dollars, right, She goes, Oh my god,
I feel awful.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
And here's me, Oh sure, tourist town really trying to
gouge us.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
You showed them at all, Like.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Like I always tip twenty percent. I tipped twenty percent
even if the service is crappy. So now I feel
terrible because this poor girl probably thinks she got an
eight percent tip because she couldn't manifest enough cheese.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
For us.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
That's what I'm going with.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
I mean, I deserve like melted cheese on there, right.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yes, that's what I was thinking. I mean, come on,
she didn't she didn't come forth. She didn't really give
the good service that you were looking for. So eight
percent there you go.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Yeah, I mean it's uh, I give her a for effort.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
When we got to Zion last night, you know, we
needed to kind of learn the ropes there and uh,
it was brilliant. It was it was, like we mentioned earlier,
a really good warm up for today's hike. And today's
hike we had applied for the Angel's Landing permit and
that's pretty exciting, except if you google it or look
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at any videos online, you'll see that it's terrifying. It's
considered one of the hardest hikes in the country.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
So explain angels Landing.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Okay, So Angel's Landing is a vertical it's actually called
Scouts Lookout is the hike, and you hike at Zion
National Park. You hike the west Rim Trail, which is
relatively flat, and then it goes straight up. And the
reason this hike is considered trenuous, which I'll come back
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to that word, and that's what it lifts in the
map guide because you attend very very quickly to the
point that the engineers they came up with something called
Walter's wiggles in order to get you up as high
as you need to get quickly. And it's a series
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of switchbacks, which we found out this morning. It's still
pitch black, which, by the way, if you want to
look at stars, go to Zion. I mean there's no
light noise, right, it's just beautiful and you see the
stars and the planets and it's awesome. Anyhow, so we
get on the shuttle that takes you deeper into the
park and then you get off, and if you happen
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to be on the first bus, I'm gonna warn you
all the people that are on that first shuttle, they
know what they're doing. They don't want to be at
Zion with the commeonters, they don't want to be there
with the families.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
These are serious hikers.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And they get off that shuttle bus and they practically
start running down a trail and so we are left.
Remember what the park ranger said, just take our own pace, right,
So we start going upity upity, and I'm like, oh,
and it's switchbacks, and I mean we're talking some a
little bit of lung burning feeling right, the legs are
holding up pretty well, and we decide that this must
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be Walter's wiggles, because there's so many switchbacks and we
are dying, but we keep going. I mean, it's fine.
It's just it's no different than being on a treadmill,
but it's way more beautiful. The sun starts coming up,
the canyon's coming alive. I mean, honestly, I can't tell
you that I've ever seen anything prettier.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And so we keep going.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Yes, we do, and it only gets harder from there.
It's a lot of switchbacks and it goes straight up
for majority of the hike.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
It's it's hard on your lungs going up.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Luckily for us, we weren't hiking with a group, and
Tanner had to relieve himself, so he took care of
some business.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Actually, a couple of gals.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Picked him up behind us, and you know, he was
just water in a tree. And we actually had a
number of very funny things happened along the hike. But
we kept going and we got up there and it
was like, because first batch of people, we didn't have
anybody to ask, like how much further right, So we
just kept trudging on up and then we got to
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this flat area where they have Mexican spotted owls.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Oh and last night we got to see deer that
was really cool.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Oh and this morning I almost hit a huge deer
in the dark, driving in like it was like six
feet for me.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
It had to have been a twenty point buck. It was.
It was the biggest deer I've ever seen. Anyway, So.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
We continued on and then we hit the flat area
and I'm like, oh, we must be there, almost be there.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Oh no, oh no.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Then we hit Walter's Wiggles and let me tell you,
it was amazing, but it was hard.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
And we finally got up to Scouts Lookout.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Well, when you get the Scouts Lookout if you have
a pass, which lucky for us, we won the pass
lottery and were issued a pass or a permit to
go up to Angels Landing, which is I want to say,
like three hundred feet higher or something like that, but
it's terrifying. Become a very narrow canyon. It's a steep
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drop on both sides all the way to the bottom.
So there is a chain on one side that you
can use to kind of support yourself, but you've got
about twenty four inches on either side of you, and
it's it feels like a ladder climb, you're kind of
using your hands and knees to climb. So Tanner and
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I had decided that we were going to see how
we felt when we got there. And when we got there,
we were pretty excited because we had just made it
to like this really high point. We started up, Tanner
ahead of me, and Tanner got up a little higher
than I did, and then all of a sudden, I panicked.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
And I couldn't do it.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Like we were part way up Angel's landing, and it
occurred to me that I would have to go down,
and I just kept thinking.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
The last text message I got from Sean.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Was please be shaved right, And I kept thinking and
I actually started crying.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
And the and the most and the most important thing
is I also promised you, Sean and I look after
my mom and make sure she comes back.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And so far you've doing a great job, because you
did turn around. You said, you know what, that's enough.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Yeah, I mean it. I could see how terrified she
was and it was.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean like I couldn't control it.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I I started like shaking and I started crying, and
I thought, Okay, this is a sign, this is a
sign that this isn't the hike for me, because I
don't know how I'm going to be able to manage
it while crying, because I could hardly get my feet
into places that felt safe at all.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
And I said to Tanna, I did feel bad.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Because he was like, let's do this, and he was
game and he was ahead of me by twenty feet already,
and I just said, Tanner, I can't.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
And we had agreed that if one went, we both
went kind of thing, and he said, Mom, it's okay.
I'm not having great you know, like I I'm not
sure footed here either.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It's fine.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
I mean we're high enough we can see everything. So
we came down, and I feel like a failure. But
I also feel like Darwinism. You know, I'm not a
big darwin person, but I think I learned my own
limit at that moment, and I I was a little
terrified that the outcome would not be positive if I
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continued up. And I think the fact that I was
crying is a pretty good and I wasn't being dramatic,
like I just started crying because I.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Was so scared. And I'm a fifty three year old
person who doesn't.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Just cry well lately, but that's para metopositive, totally different.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
That's for another well, I'd say it's for another podcast,
but I think we already covered it.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
It's still the experience. It was you.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
You went there to to hike in Zion and to
do this angels lending, and he kind of did. So
I would call this still a success.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I mean, it's still it's still a win, right, I'm
i'm an, I mean, i'm I. I think by hiking standards,
I would be considered out of shape. I mean, I
can walk anywhere, but you know, walking up a canyon
maybe is a little bit, but that part, like I
would do the walk up to Scouts Lookout again and
again and again. As a matter of fact, I said
(26:14):
many times going down, I would much rather be going
up because my knees really hurt going down, and going
up my legs felt fine, and I would have rather,
you know.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I feel like, yeah, my heart rate was.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Elevated, but it would be elevated if I were running
on a hamster wheel too, you know, And at least
this way my heart was elevated. But I was distracted
by the nature and beauty around us, So I highly
recommend it, but it isn't. It isn't for the faint
of heart. It also isn't for anybody even to get
to Scouts Landing. If you're afraid of heights, not the
hig for you, and you don't take little kids up there.
(26:47):
Well you can, but you're not supposed to because even
to get up to Scouts Lookout, there's just very narrow
passageways and everywhere you look it's a complete drop off.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
So a double wide stroller probably no good.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Yeah, well, a double edge, a double wide stroller is
going to take up the entire path, got it.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
So basically it'd be like it. It would be like it'd
be like being at the state Fair.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
It's a lot like being at the state Fair.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Also one bonus, in case you happen to hide yourself
going up the uh canyon and you decide that you
have to use the restroom, there is an interesting uh
potty situation at the top. So they have these kind
of outhouses, if you will. But when you go, when.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
You pee, you.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Look down and then you have to stomp on this
pedal like five times, and the toilet papers on a
conveyor belt, okay, and then it just disappears, but there's
like no water that comes down on it or anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
So it's really bizarre.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
But you know, the whole idea is, you know, you
leave everything untouched, right, you don't kick flowers, you don't
leave waste, you don't leave wrappers anything.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
And the chipmunks are very friendly.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Well that's good.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And then and because this is a treacherous area you
also wanted to go to. Was it the narrows that
you couldn't go to because of flooding?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Yeah, the reason Last night that we did the Emerald
Pools hike, which was really beautiful, lots of waterfalls and
just like and I like that kind of hiking. It's
like boulders and you're navigating it. And I mean there
were a couple scary parts on that, but I like
that kind of hiking because I feel like a billy
goat and then I feel like I'm distracted and so
I don't even realize I'm exercising right.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
This one today was more.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Like just walking up a very very steep treadmill with
beauty around you.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
But the Narrows is awesome.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
It's two canyon walls that are I think they say
about I'm gonna say like seven feet apart maybe, and
there's the Virgin Virgin River running through it, and the
entire hike is through the river, so you get walking
sticks and you walk through water.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
All the way through the narrows.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
It's one of the most impressive hikes apparently and unique
hikes available in the United States. But because of the
rain yesterday, we were getting flash flood warnings and it
wasn't safe because the water comes rushing through their out
of the canyons and down that river really fast and
many many people have died.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Oh, speaking of that.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
So the entire time your ad zion, you randomly passed
signs that say things like this, you are responsible for
your own safety. And then like both the hikes that
we were on there were signs that said people have
died on this hike. Please be aware of your surroundings,
you know, like I mean, it's you have to pay it.
(29:45):
You know. Even walking down today that felt more nerve racking.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Because it's so steep.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
It's kind of like, you know how when you're in
Colorado and they have runoff ramps for semi trucks, there's
no runoff ramps. You're cir getting ahead of you, and
let me tell you, it wants to happen.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So your knees do a real good job and you're
leaning back, and yet it's sandy and slippery, so you
don't want to fall either. So again, going down.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Is always the worst, in spite of the fact that
your lungs and your heart get good work out going up. Indeed,
and this is coming from two people who really aren't hikers,
but we like to hike.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Does that make sense.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
You're definitely walkers, right.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Definitely walk Yes, it was a little struggle for us,
but you know, we we did very good and I
think that we did a good job preparing ourselves through
hiking the bad lands and it felt.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Like the city. It was a great warm up for
overall what we.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Did on the trip and us tons of fun.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Tanner in because now tonight we're heading into Phoenix.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Were coming into flag Staff right now, and tonight we'll
be in Phoenix and tomorrow morning up our cargo van
to get stuff out of storage and get him moved
into his apartment for the year.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Now, did you get the cargo van with the safety bumpers?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Are you talking about? Because the last time I ever
did the car covan. I'm talking.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Okay, I know it makes me sound like a terrible driver,
and I mean I've had some things, but this cargo
van hopefully won't be one of the extra long, extra
tall ones that they had to give me last time,
because that was a lot for me to manage in Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Have you ever driven in Phoenix? People drive like crazy
down there.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yes, they do well.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, I mean I did take a number of curbs
the first year that we tried this, but I'm hoping
tomorrow morning will be better.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And then your last bit of hiking you're going to
do is basically hauling stuff into the apartment.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah, Tanner mentioned something about camelback, but I'm pretty sure
our difficult hiking is done.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
For that's nothing. Now, that's.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Like a little hat, it's a little hill.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Seriously, though, I will say this, and now I sound
like a real geek, but I highly recommend check you
out Zion National Park. It's it's incredible that there's a
tunnel going through the canyon. There's i mean, even if
you don't want to hike like difficult hikes, there's easier hikes,
and there's also like a you can drive around like
(32:25):
this time of year, you have to take the shuttle,
but then there's another part where you drive through and.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
It's it's worth the trip. It absolutely is.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Excellent.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, maybe one of these days that'll be a destination.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Now that you now that you go from Zion, maybe
we will.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Maybe we'll get shout up on Angels Landing because one
thing that you haven't mentioned, and I've done ninety nine
percent of the talking, why don't we talk about what
the experience would be like if you were with us
going to Agels Landing, it.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Would be it would be a great experience. You would
you would start hiking up the two angels Landing and
I was sit at the bottom and wait, read a book.
I'm sure, I'm sure there's a bench I could sit
on and go, hey, guys, just be careful.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I think you would have done fine for most of
the Emerald Pools hikes. Yesterday there's a couple kind of
scary parts, and then today I don't I don't think you.
I don't actually think you would have done Scouts look
out either, because the whole thing was a drop.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Off and it's basically straight vertical like when you're going down,
there is no looking where other people are. You're like
walking on top of people like you're basically just it's
straight down.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, and its side.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Well, we've discussed your your fear of heights.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I did. I did the bridges or mott and that's
not that's all.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yes, you did. As a matter of fact, we were
just talking about this. I was talking to somebody at
work about this before we went, and I was telling
them about your courage, and I said, you know, the
funny thing is is I didn't ever think I was.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Afraid of heights.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
However, when we were in the gondola going up to
the batter Horn, I yeah, I started to have a
little panic and almost cry when the remember when the
gondola stopped and they were working on something or picking
up some guy I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
It was terrifying.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
And so I have learned that I won't say that
I have a fear of heights, but I think I
had a healthy respect right, very good. And I don't
like going to the edge as much as I did
when I was younger, because I don't know, I'm clumsy.
That's what I was trying to explain to the people
that were encouraging me to go ahead. And take this
(34:40):
trip all the way up to Angels Landing and like,
I don't think you understand.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
How often how klutzy I am.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
And the woman goes and this lady has done Half Dome,
which is, like, I think, the hardest hike.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
In the United States.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
But she's like, well, I mean, how often do you
trip well walking over here? Like She's like, well, I
mean you will be hyper focused because you have no choice,
and I'm like, yeah, I get that. I'm just saying
like you also needed to be able to hold your
body weight in case. When I said to Tanner and hey,
(35:15):
pro tip, Freddie, you park rangers or I don't know
who's ever in charge of the National Park System, why
don't they put run a cable up there instead of
chains and then let you, you know, tie on to
the cable. Because I would totally do Angels Landing if
I felt like there was no chance I could plummet
to my death. And if they got the chain there anyway,
(35:37):
why not put a cable and let you clamp onto it.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
It's an awesome question.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Or is that just because then it's not like real hiking.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I mean, they could give you some slacks. You could
feel like you're falling for seven eight, nine ten feet.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I don't know, but I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Not because that would be because I think that's the
experienced people are looking for. You know what if worst
case near ge get the experience falling to my death.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Yeah, I'm just saying like no, But my point is
somebody took the time to pound these poles into the
stone and run chain, why not do a cable and
give us a clip.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
You know, it doesn't mean you have to clip on.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
The d point.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Yeah, it would be like it's a kin to training
wheels like for us novice hikers. Slash I said to
Tanner he got Tanner said the best quote.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I can't tell you Tanner's best quote. My best quote
of the trip, Tanner said, was that yesterday when we
were doing the Emerald Pools, I said, oh, I don't
like that they kind of poured some concrete here because
I feel like it's not real hiking if we're walking
on stones, and Tanner's like, okay. And then today as
we were going up Walter's Wiggles, which is that part
(36:56):
of it is stone that they've poured like in some
sort of concrete. Uh, I go, I picked back everything
I said about this not being a real right.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Oh my goodness. He's like, yeah, that was that was
my moment I guess of the trip.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
So Tanner, any last thoughts on your on your what
could be your last road trip.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
It it's been fun, been exciting. We've had a lot
of fun. There's talks about us doing Bryce Canyon on
the way home, which is another national park, Okay, in Utah,
So we get the three major national parks in Utah done,
which would be really We did.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Arches last year in Moab, and then we did Zion
today and yesterday, and so we're thinking that maybe when
he moves home in the spring, we could do Bryce Canyon.
And then there's a really cute hat that has a
patch with all three national parks on it, and if
we do that, then I want that hat.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
It's so.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Dollars hat.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
So no shipping of the vehicle this in the spring.
It's gonna for sure be a road trip.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Well for sure a lot of too much stuff coming.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Home the h And by the way, that's a whole
other podcast, the shipping of a vehicle, which we'll get to.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Wait a second though, I do we have time?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Why don't you tell us about how fun it was,
because I do feel like we've well, I have monopolized
this entire podcast. It has been a very very big
week for you because both of your boys are now
in San Diego. You're you actually, well, we were on
this road trip. You flew with Gabe, as we had
mentioned in the previous podcast, to move him into college
(38:42):
at St. Marcos in San Diego or just outside to
San Diego. So, uh, but you shipped Gabe's car. Why
don't you tell us how that went?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Sean, Well, it went, it went fine. The vehicle arrived,
so I guess we call that a six excess. However,
the I guess it's standard. When you're shipping a vehicle,
they give you an estimated pickup day, not a time
(39:10):
a day. So it's not like your cable guy that'll
be there between eight and four. These guys will be
here between Tuesday and Thursday, and then then they did
and then the delivery is kind of dependent on how
they arrive. But the delivery is the same thing. It's like, yeah,
we'll be there on the twenty second, unless it's not
going to be till the twenty fourth or the twenty fifth.
(39:32):
So we shipped Gabe's car down there. We were going
to road trip as well. We're going to do something different.
We're kind of planning to hit some baseball stadiums on
the way down. But my work kind of came into
the mix, and so he decided to ship the car.
And then Gabe and I flew down and we waited
for his car. Well he waited for his car because
I wasn't there anymore. But if you are going to
(39:54):
ship an automobile, the just understand that it will take
the pickup time is variable, and the delivery time is variable,
and your driver may ask.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
You for money when you first pick up the car.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
So yesterday for an extra cash only.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Cash no not not not just cash only.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
You could venmo so you could, I mean, but.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
It goes straight to the driver. And we were a
little skeptical of that. But like I said, it all
worked out. His car arrived with all his stuff in it,
and uh, he is now set. He had his first
classes this morning and uh, he's just went to Target.
I just noticed that I have another two hundred dollars
(40:41):
charge on my credit card at Target, which is awesome,
but he's getting settled.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
That's awesome. I know you're very proud of him.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
And yes, we had actually had a very good.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Time old hat at this stuff, and Noah's been down
in San Diego already.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
The good news about the road is you don't need.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
To record a podcast to try to keep somebody awake, because,
as we mentioned at the beginning, this whole thing came
about because Sean was checking on us and found out
that I had just ordered Tanner to start quizzing me
on math backs to try to keep me awake, And
You're like, are you kidding me? Just pull over and
let him drive, And but with.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
That I was offering to drive too.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Having said that, I feel like it's a good time
to end our part of the podcast because I believe
we're in Flagstaff and it is pouring rain and I
should probably get off the cell phone.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
This has been another Curveball production.
Come to another Curveball production. I am coming to you
from the Studio A. We have Renee and Tanner joining
us from Studio CenTra somewhere outside of flag Staff correct, correct.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hefty two miles of flag stapshan.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
They're on the road trip. They're moving Tanner down to
back down to Grand Canyon, and they're having a joyous time.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Correct joyous.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yes, I like how we are on day four of
a road trip. It has been quite the adventure. We
did have a little quick meeting before we started recording
the podcast to make sure that we didn't divulge any
of the what happens in the car stays in the
car secrets right beyond that anything.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
There are so for me, there's a couple of reasons
for this podcast. One was because it though'd be cool
to get, you know, just a flavor from the road
as you're moving down as you go along. But more importantly,
they are on what our this will be like twenty
of twenty two for the actual drive time something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh way more than that, it's twenty twenty seven out.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
Of twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Twenty seven out of twenty nine, and Tanner, you have
driven of those twenty seven hours, how many.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
Zero?
Speaker 6 (01:35):
Because my mom won't let me so a little bit
of a control freak, but I love her.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
And I got a And then.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Ironically, since we last spoke, when you came up with
this idea, which let's be honest, the real reason that
you came up with the idea is you're trying to
keep me awake. But since we last spoke, we nearly
got into a head on collision because we're on a
two lane road and there was a car passing coming
(02:05):
right at us and I had to slam on the.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Brakes and move into the shoulder.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
I typically don't have road rage or aggressive driving behavior.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
He did receive the bird.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Nice from me. Yeah, well, you know what, you nearly
kill me.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
And my kid. That warns the middle Finger.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
And it comes down to swearing and using curse words.
If used appropriately, there's nothing wrong with that, and I
think that was appropriate use of the bird.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Well done.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I felt like it was. I didn't even say anything.
I just I just aggressively raised by middle Finger.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So you guys took off early early Friday morning. It's
a as you're listening to this podcast, it is Monday
afternoon and your first stop as you drove away from
the Big to the Twin Cities, you stopped. Well, your
your destination was the Black Hills in Mount Rushmore, as
we know from our podcast about Mount Rushmore. But you
(03:04):
made stops along the way that you had to make correct.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Correct, correct, made stopped such as the Corn Palace. We
went to the Badlands National Park where we fed prairie.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Dogs and hiking. Yeah, and we did quite a bit
of hiking.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
We also enjoyed Waldrug and yeah, the Mitchell Corn Palace. Surprisingly,
Tanner gave it a five out of ten and he
said he was glad.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That we stopped.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
The ranch House is just outside Badlands National Park and
that's where we fed the prairie dogs, which is pretty exciting.
And then oh, then we hiked in the Badlands. That
was really fun and very hot, sweaty. And then we
went to Waldrug right yep, that tolled into Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
To see sunset Mount.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Rush And for those of you who are not familiar
with this particular route, this is basically I ninety from
the eastern side of South Dakota all the way to
the western side of South Dakota, and it is it's
some nice trips along the way, just to stop break
up the monotony of the eighty mile an hour speed
(04:23):
limit on that interstate. I'm not correct. If I'm correct,
good correction.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
You know, honestly, that first day we packed an awful
lot of stuff in.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
We stayed in a charming hotel in Keystone.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
It was the wind the Ramata, and it was clean
and the location was excellent and it was only like
one hundred and twenty bucks a night. And then we
walked to a cute little restaurant for dinner, and then
we set off.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
For Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So before we go any further, you went to Mount Russia.
Because we did the podcast on Mount Rushmore, we have
to stop and talk a little bit about Mount Washmore.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
How was it?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
And I'll let you answer it was.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
It was pretty cool. I mean, I've never seen it before.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
My mom saw it a long time ago, and honestly,
it was pretty cool to see. I mean, a little overhyped,
a little smaller than I anticipated on a being, but
you know, it was pretty pretty cool to look at.
You know, how these people got their faces carved in
a side of a mountain?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Slash hill slash hill did you and did you make
it too crazy horse?
Speaker 3 (05:30):
And oh that was a potential.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
We we did. There was not much open there.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
We just drove in the visitors parking lot and then
it started our trek down to Salt Lake City.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
And yeah, it was.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
It looked pretty cool, but just there wasn't enough time
and nothing was open at that early in the morning.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Got it, Yes, because you were up early because you
had to get on the road, because you had to
get to Salt Lake City, but also because along the
way you wanted to make sure you saved time to
stop to see the furry cows.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
That was a very disappointing fact of our trip. It's
too bad that we didn't play road TRIPPINGO. One of
Tanner's requests was that he would see bison, otherwise known
as furry cows. You would think we'd see some bison
in South Dakota, or perhaps day two would we tracked
across Wyoming furry cows. We did see an elk, so
(06:32):
that was pretty exciting, and of course the aforementioned frairiy
dogs in South Dakota. But I don't I have a
spoiler alert, but the spoiler alert is Tanner finally does
get to see his cows, but it's not where we
think we're going to see them.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Right, Stay tuned, Stay tuned further for further in the podcast,
probably right after the first commercial break.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
We had a really good time. Day two was the
longest day on the road. What do we do to
break that road up? Well, that was the worst one.
We didn't really get any steps in hardly because it
was just like ten hours of driving, and we did.
Oh when we got into Salt Lake City, we checked
into our hotel and we went on a overlook hike
(07:19):
to Ensign's Park, which was pretty cool, so you could
see all of Salt Lake City. And we also did
the downtown area and saw the temple for the LDS church.
We're not LDS and we'll leave that there, but anyway,
it's quite the magnific constructure.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
And then the.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Next morning we quickly got on the road because Tanner
wanted to take a peek at University of Utah, and
then later on we went to BYU, not because we're
ever going to go there, but just because it's something
to do on a road trip.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I was really impressed actually with the University at Utah.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
Yeah, it's a it's a cool school, and going to
Grand Canyon it kind of shows me what other campuses
look like.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Plus it was, you know, a lot bigger than what
I've heard about.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
And I'm just a big football fan, so it's cool
to see these stadiums and where these schools play.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
So yeah, and we tried to break in.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
That was unsuccessful, but we did walk through some lovely
gardens and got a lot of steps in, so that
was awesome.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
We definitely made up for our lack of steps the
day before.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And so so tenor, are you thinking for your graduate
studies you'll go to a University of Utah?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, I mean, if they take me, I'll go.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Hold up last, we had a conversation about grad school
on this very road trip and you said, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I'm good with school for a while.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Well, if somebody pays for me to do it, then
I got it.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
I gotta do it right.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Right at this time, the person paying for your school
would be you yourself, and you yeah. And then we
went to BYU and that was interesting. I didn't think
the campus was It's pretty because it's snug right up
against the mountains, but other than that, it was really
unimpressive compared to University of Utah.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
So yeah, we parked in a church parking lot where
they were having a service.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Well, yeah, that was fine. We just kind of walked
around it.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Also, yesterday morning was our kind of first rainy ish day,
so it was nice. It actually held off for the
most part while we were walking around these campuses, and
it broke up the the road trip quite a bit
because then our goal was to get to Zion National Park.
The goal of this entire road trip, other than to
just spend time together, of course, was to get to
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Zion and do some hikes there, and we were fortunate
enough to be able to do that.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Last night.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
We pulled into town stated a great secret hotel that
we won't tell anyone about.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
And Renee holds her whatever she finds a good a
good hotel somewhere.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I'll give you a hint. I'm an i HG member, right,
so nobody always it right outside the park.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
I'm not in Springdale where most people stay. But it
worked out really really well. It's a brand new hotel
and we did uh went into Zion last night and
we did three little hikes. It was the Emerald Pools
hike the lower, middle, and upper and it was a
good warm up for today's hike.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
Indeed, there was a nice break and iike to test
their true abilities.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
After being in the car all day. Then you get out,
it's a good warm up, good stretch the gams.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
It's great to uh get out of the car and
you know, see some places you've never seen before.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
I forgot to mention. I've been a little delirious on
the road trip. And in spite of the fact that
I have had to I haven't had drive.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I've chosen to drive.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I won't let Tanner drive because, as he mentioned, I'm
a bit of a control freak. Anyway, as we were
leaving University of Utah, you know, we were looking at
the architecture of the homes there, and I get distracted
when I drive, and that's probably not a good reason
to drive.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Disted interesting.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
And so we were down in this little college town
area and I was looking at some homes and I
came to a stop and I went and Tanner is
the funniest road trip companion. Most people would start screaming, stop, stop,
it's a red light. Tanner and his very calm and
cool collected voice goes, Okay, I guess we're running red
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lights now, And I said what, I just went through
that red light, and I mean I stopped like it
was a blinking red light.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Except we thankfully did not get te boned.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Nope, we indeed made it through safely.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
But a minute there, I didn't know what my mom
was doing that she's trying to make sure I didn't
make it back to college. Oh.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Also, I forgot to tell you.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
One of the big things on this road trip is
Renee's trying to learn how to tap with her phone.
With her phone, okay, so I keep trying to tap.
And I started this about a week before the road trip,
and Tanner's been trying to teach me how.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
He's a good teacher. I just am on the struggle bus, okay.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
And every time I go to tap, it's an extended process,
and I'm sure that the clerk wherever we are is
very frustrated with my inability to do this efficiently. So
when we got to the ranch house in South Dakota,
I hate to back up, but this is worth telling.
I went in and I was trying to tap to
get our one dollar bags of unsalted peanuts to feed
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the prairie dogs. And I said, I'm so sorry. I'm
still learning this tap thing. And the guy's like, that's okay,
you know, take your time. And it really was a
bit of a struggle, and so he said, you know,
where are you headed? And I said, you know, bringing
him to school or and he was dressed kind of
it doesn't matter, but he was an older gentleman and
he looked a little haphazard. Well about forty five minutes later,
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we pulled into bad Lands National Park and I was
attempting to tap to get my America the Beautiful Pass,
which is eighty dollars that leeds you into all national
parks for an entire year, which made sense on this
road trip of ours. So as I go, I say
to the guy at the window, can I tap? And
he says, yep, you sure can, And so I start
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trying to do it, and again I'm failing miserably, and
the guy says, do you think you'll have this tapping
figured out by the time you get done with this trip?
And I just kind of looked at him and I'm like, oh, yeah,
I'm trying, and he goes, are what you heading back
to school and Tanner's like yeah, and he goes, okay,
and then he said something to me again about the tapping.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And hopefully you'll get this tapping down.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Oh yeah, he goes, hopefully you'll get this tapping figured
out by the time you get to Phoenix. And I'm like, yeah, right,
And then I go do I because I started it
was a creepy vibe, like how did he know that
I was struggling with the tapping and all of a
sudden like do I know you? And he goes, I
was the guy that's told you the peanuts.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
At the ranch house And I'm like what.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Well, like Superman himself, he'd quickly changed into a National
Park Ranger outfit, which doesn't look disheveled at all. It
was very and and he was laughing his ass off
at me. So like, somehow in the midst of me
feeding the prairie dogs, this guy changes runs to the
shack that's five miles down the road and mocks me
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for my inability to tap for payment.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And that's just and that's just day one.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, that was day one.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Then that night I was so tired when I went
to pay the server at the restaurant that was funny,
Tanna or cheese.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
On his wedges and tell them what happened. Okay.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
So, like any Midwesterner, I like cheese on anything, okay,
And normally when I'm at Buffalo Wild Wings, I always
say too, I always say to them. I asked them plately,
can you put cheese on the wedges?
Speaker 5 (15:22):
And they ask, you know what kind of cheese? Because
it's so normal.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
Well, me totally keeking out, I'm like, hey, you know,
could you put some cheese on my potato wedges? And
she was looking at me like she's never heard of
that in her life. And so later on she came
back and she gave me a little parmesan cheese shaker
for things that.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Like you get it, a pizza parlay.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Yeah, I mean like put on like lasagna or grated.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
She said she has to be put in front of
them and said, here, you can use this cheese at
your wedges.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
I mean, I wish they'd have tried a little harder there,
but you know, it's it's a good effort by them.
I mean, I'm sure they all were laughing their ass
off behind the scene.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Okay, So here's the other funny thing. I was tired.
We had been up since four o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Okay, And the server who had announced to somebody else
that was her last night there, and she was cute
as a bugsyer, very nice, and she did a wonderful job.
She hands me the paything again. Who's trying to tap
to pay but this girl and she says, okay, and
then it shows me the screen to add a tip,
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and I see eight fifteen twenty. Our bill was forty dollars,
and I was annoyed and shocked because I thought my
choices were tipping. Mind you, I do eat out, like
this is crazy, but I do eat out. I know
how this works in my mind. Until halfway through the
next day, I thought my choices for tipping were eight,
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fifteen and twenty dollars, and I was annoyed that they
would insinuate that I should tip fifty percent on a
forty dollars bill. And I tipped her eight dollars because
that's twenty percent and I'm a single bomb.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
And so I went on and.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
I was barking about this to Sean the next morning,
and Tanner and I kept driving, and Tanner said, funny,
when you said that I couldn't hear you because the
music was so loud, but I assumed you were talking
about percentages, and it occurred to me, I'm sure that
those numbers representative percentages. So that poor cute girl who
did a very nice job on her last day of work,
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got an eight percent tip for me, I bet you
a dollar to a donut. I haven't went back and
looked at the charge, but yeah, so I feel like
a real jerk.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Well done.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
I was telling her, you know, later on the next day,
I'm like, you know, tipping that much seemsat crazy, like
it must be dollars, right, She goes, Oh my god,
I feel awful.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
And here's me, Oh sure, tourist town really trying to
gouge us.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
You showed them at all, Like.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Like I always tip twenty percent. I tipped twenty percent
even if the service is crappy. So now I feel
terrible because this poor girl probably thinks she got an
eight percent tip because she couldn't manifest enough cheese.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
For us.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
That's what I'm going with.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
I mean, I deserve like melted cheese on there, right.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yes, that's what I was thinking. I mean, come on,
she didn't she didn't come forth. She didn't really give
the good service that you were looking for. So eight
percent there you go.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
Yeah, I mean it's uh, I give her a for effort.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
When we got to Zion last night, you know, we
needed to kind of learn the ropes there and uh,
it was brilliant. It was it was, like we mentioned earlier,
a really good warm up for today's hike. And today's
hike we had applied for the Angel's Landing permit and
that's pretty exciting, except if you google it or look
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at any videos online, you'll see that it's terrifying. It's
considered one of the hardest hikes in the country.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
So explain angels Landing.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Okay, So Angel's Landing is a vertical it's actually called
Scouts Lookout is the hike, and you hike at Zion
National Park. You hike the west Rim Trail, which is
relatively flat, and then it goes straight up. And the
reason this hike is considered trenuous, which I'll come back
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to that word, and that's what it lifts in the
map guide because you attend very very quickly to the
point that the engineers they came up with something called
Walter's wiggles in order to get you up as high
as you need to get quickly. And it's a series
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of switchbacks, which we found out this morning. It's still
pitch black, which, by the way, if you want to
look at stars, go to Zion. I mean there's no
light noise, right, it's just beautiful and you see the
stars and the planets and it's awesome. Anyhow, so we
get on the shuttle that takes you deeper into the
park and then you get off, and if you happen
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to be on the first bus, I'm gonna warn you
all the people that are on that first shuttle, they
know what they're doing. They don't want to be at
Zion with the commeonters, they don't want to be there
with the families.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
These are serious hikers.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And they get off that shuttle bus and they practically
start running down a trail and so we are left.
Remember what the park ranger said, just take our own pace, right,
So we start going upity upity, and I'm like, oh,
and it's switchbacks, and I mean we're talking some a
little bit of lung burning feeling right, the legs are
holding up pretty well, and we decide that this must
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be Walter's wiggles, because there's so many switchbacks and we
are dying, but we keep going. I mean, it's fine.
It's just it's no different than being on a treadmill,
but it's way more beautiful. The sun starts coming up,
the canyon's coming alive. I mean, honestly, I can't tell
you that I've ever seen anything prettier.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And so we keep going.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Yes, we do, and it only gets harder from there.
It's a lot of switchbacks and it goes straight up
for majority of the hike.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
It's it's hard on your lungs going up.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Luckily for us, we weren't hiking with a group, and
Tanner had to relieve himself, so he took care of
some business.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Actually, a couple of gals.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
Picked him up behind us, and you know, he was
just water in a tree. And we actually had a
number of very funny things happened along the hike. But
we kept going and we got up there and it
was like, because first batch of people, we didn't have
anybody to ask, like how much further right, So we
just kept trudging on up and then we got to
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this flat area where they have Mexican spotted owls.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Oh and last night we got to see deer that
was really cool.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Oh and this morning I almost hit a huge deer
in the dark, driving in like it was like six
feet for me.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
It had to have been a twenty point buck. It was.
It was the biggest deer I've ever seen. Anyway, So.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
We continued on and then we hit the flat area
and I'm like, oh, we must be there, almost be there.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Oh no, oh no.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Then we hit Walter's Wiggles and let me tell you,
it was amazing, but it was hard.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
And we finally got up to Scouts Lookout.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Well, when you get the Scouts Lookout if you have
a pass, which lucky for us, we won the pass
lottery and were issued a pass or a permit to
go up to Angels Landing, which is I want to say,
like three hundred feet higher or something like that, but
it's terrifying. Become a very narrow canyon. It's a steep
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drop on both sides all the way to the bottom.
So there is a chain on one side that you
can use to kind of support yourself, but you've got
about twenty four inches on either side of you, and
it's it feels like a ladder climb, you're kind of
using your hands and knees to climb. So Tanner and
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I had decided that we were going to see how
we felt when we got there. And when we got there,
we were pretty excited because we had just made it
to like this really high point. We started up, Tanner
ahead of me, and Tanner got up a little higher
than I did, and then all of a sudden, I panicked.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
And I couldn't do it.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Like we were part way up Angel's landing, and it
occurred to me that I would have to go down,
and I just kept thinking.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
The last text message I got from Sean.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Was please be shaved right, And I kept thinking and
I actually started crying.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
And the and the most and the most important thing
is I also promised you, Sean and I look after
my mom and make sure she comes back.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And so far you've doing a great job, because you
did turn around. You said, you know what, that's enough.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Yeah, I mean it. I could see how terrified she
was and it was.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I mean like I couldn't control it.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
I I started like shaking and I started crying, and
I thought, Okay, this is a sign, this is a
sign that this isn't the hike for me, because I
don't know how I'm going to be able to manage
it while crying, because I could hardly get my feet
into places that felt safe at all.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
And I said to Tanna, I did feel bad.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Because he was like, let's do this, and he was
game and he was ahead of me by twenty feet already,
and I just said, Tanner, I can't.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
And we had agreed that if one went, we both
went kind of thing, and he said, Mom, it's okay.
I'm not having great you know, like I I'm not
sure footed here either.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
It's fine.
Speaker 4 (24:55):
I mean we're high enough we can see everything. So
we came down, and I feel like a failure. But
I also feel like Darwinism. You know, I'm not a
big darwin person, but I think I learned my own
limit at that moment, and I I was a little
terrified that the outcome would not be positive if I
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continued up. And I think the fact that I was
crying is a pretty good and I wasn't being dramatic,
like I just started crying because I.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Was so scared. And I'm a fifty three year old
person who doesn't.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Just cry well lately, but that's para metopositive, totally different.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
That's for another well, I'd say it's for another podcast,
but I think we already covered it.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
It's still the experience. It was you.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
You went there to to hike in Zion and to
do this angels lending, and he kind of did. So
I would call this still a success.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I mean, it's still it's still a win, right, I'm
i'm an, I mean, i'm I. I think by hiking standards,
I would be considered out of shape. I mean, I
can walk anywhere, but you know, walking up a canyon
maybe is a little bit, but that part, like I
would do the walk up to Scouts Lookout again and
again and again. As a matter of fact, I said
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many times going down, I would much rather be going
up because my knees really hurt going down, and going
up my legs felt fine, and I would have rather,
you know.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I feel like, yeah, my heart rate was.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Elevated, but it would be elevated if I were running
on a hamster wheel too, you know, And at least
this way my heart was elevated. But I was distracted
by the nature and beauty around us, So I highly
recommend it, but it isn't. It isn't for the faint
of heart. It also isn't for anybody even to get
to Scouts Landing. If you're afraid of heights, not the
hig for you, and you don't take little kids up there.
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Well you can, but you're not supposed to because even
to get up to Scouts Lookout, there's just very narrow
passageways and everywhere you look it's a complete drop off.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
So a double wide stroller probably no good.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
Yeah, well, a double edge, a double wide stroller is
going to take up the entire path, got it.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
So basically it'd be like it. It would be like it'd
be like being at the state Fair.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
It's a lot like being at the state Fair.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Also one bonus, in case you happen to hide yourself
going up the uh canyon and you decide that you
have to use the restroom, there is an interesting uh
potty situation at the top. So they have these kind
of outhouses, if you will. But when you go, when.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
You pee, you.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Look down and then you have to stomp on this
pedal like five times, and the toilet papers on a
conveyor belt, okay, and then it just disappears, but there's
like no water that comes down on it or anything
like that.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
So it's really bizarre.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
But you know, the whole idea is, you know, you
leave everything untouched, right, you don't kick flowers, you don't
leave waste, you don't leave wrappers anything.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
And the chipmunks are very friendly.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Well that's good.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And then and because this is a treacherous area you
also wanted to go to. Was it the narrows that
you couldn't go to because of flooding?
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Yeah, the reason Last night that we did the Emerald
Pools hike, which was really beautiful, lots of waterfalls and
just like and I like that kind of hiking. It's
like boulders and you're navigating it. And I mean there
were a couple scary parts on that, but I like
that kind of hiking because I feel like a billy
goat and then I feel like I'm distracted and so
I don't even realize I'm exercising right.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
This one today was more.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
Like just walking up a very very steep treadmill with
beauty around you.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
But the Narrows is awesome.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
It's two canyon walls that are I think they say
about I'm gonna say like seven feet apart maybe, and
there's the Virgin Virgin River running through it, and the
entire hike is through the river, so you get walking
sticks and you walk through water.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
All the way through the narrows.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
It's one of the most impressive hikes apparently and unique
hikes available in the United States. But because of the
rain yesterday, we were getting flash flood warnings and it
wasn't safe because the water comes rushing through their out
of the canyons and down that river really fast and
many many people have died.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Oh, speaking of that.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
So the entire time your ad zion, you randomly passed
signs that say things like this, you are responsible for
your own safety. And then like both the hikes that
we were on there were signs that said people have
died on this hike. Please be aware of your surroundings,
you know, like I mean, it's you have to pay it.
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You know. Even walking down today that felt more nerve racking.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Because it's so steep.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
It's kind of like, you know how when you're in
Colorado and they have runoff ramps for semi trucks, there's
no runoff ramps. You're cir getting ahead of you, and
let me tell you, it wants to happen.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So your knees do a real good job and you're
leaning back, and yet it's sandy and slippery, so you
don't want to fall either. So again, going down.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Is always the worst, in spite of the fact that
your lungs and your heart get good work out going up. Indeed,
and this is coming from two people who really aren't hikers,
but we like to hike.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Does that make sense.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
You're definitely walkers, right.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
Definitely walk Yes, it was a little struggle for us,
but you know, we we did very good and I
think that we did a good job preparing ourselves through
hiking the bad lands and it felt.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Like the city. It was a great warm up for
overall what we.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Did on the trip and us tons of fun.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Tanner in because now tonight we're heading into Phoenix.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
Were coming into flag Staff right now, and tonight we'll
be in Phoenix and tomorrow morning up our cargo van
to get stuff out of storage and get him moved
into his apartment for the year.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Now, did you get the cargo van with the safety bumpers?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Are you talking about? Because the last time I ever
did the car covan. I'm talking.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Okay, I know it makes me sound like a terrible driver,
and I mean I've had some things, but this cargo
van hopefully won't be one of the extra long, extra
tall ones that they had to give me last time,
because that was a lot for me to manage in Phoenix.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Have you ever driven in Phoenix? People drive like crazy
down there.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yes, they do well.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, I mean I did take a number of curbs
the first year that we tried this, but I'm hoping
tomorrow morning will be better.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And then your last bit of hiking you're going to
do is basically hauling stuff into the apartment.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Yeah, Tanner mentioned something about camelback, but I'm pretty sure
our difficult hiking is done.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
For that's nothing. Now, that's.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Like a little hat, it's a little hill.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Seriously, though, I will say this, and now I sound
like a real geek, but I highly recommend check you
out Zion National Park. It's it's incredible that there's a
tunnel going through the canyon. There's i mean, even if
you don't want to hike like difficult hikes, there's easier hikes,
and there's also like a you can drive around like
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this time of year, you have to take the shuttle,
but then there's another part where you drive through and.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
It's it's worth the trip. It absolutely is.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Excellent.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, maybe one of these days that'll be a destination.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Now that you now that you go from Zion, maybe
we will.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Maybe we'll get shout up on Angels Landing because one
thing that you haven't mentioned, and I've done ninety nine
percent of the talking, why don't we talk about what
the experience would be like if you were with us
going to Agels Landing, it.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Would be it would be a great experience. You would
you would start hiking up the two angels Landing and
I was sit at the bottom and wait, read a book.
I'm sure, I'm sure there's a bench I could sit
on and go, hey, guys, just be careful.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
I think you would have done fine for most of
the Emerald Pools hikes. Yesterday there's a couple kind of
scary parts, and then today I don't I don't think you.
I don't actually think you would have done Scouts look
out either, because the whole thing was a drop.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Off and it's basically straight vertical like when you're going down,
there is no looking where other people are. You're like
walking on top of people like you're basically just it's
straight down.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, and its side.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Well, we've discussed your your fear of heights.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
I did. I did the bridges or mott and that's
not that's all.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yes, you did. As a matter of fact, we were
just talking about this. I was talking to somebody at
work about this before we went, and I was telling
them about your courage, and I said, you know, the
funny thing is is I didn't ever think I was.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Afraid of heights.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
However, when we were in the gondola going up to
the batter Horn, I yeah, I started to have a
little panic and almost cry when the remember when the
gondola stopped and they were working on something or picking
up some guy I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
It was terrifying.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
And so I have learned that I won't say that
I have a fear of heights, but I think I
had a healthy respect right, very good. And I don't
like going to the edge as much as I did
when I was younger, because I don't know, I'm clumsy.
That's what I was trying to explain to the people
that were encouraging me to go ahead. And take this
(34:40):
trip all the way up to Angels Landing and like,
I don't think you understand.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
How often how klutzy I am.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
And the woman goes and this lady has done Half Dome,
which is, like, I think, the hardest hike.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
In the United States.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
But she's like, well, I mean, how often do you
trip well walking over here? Like She's like, well, I
mean you will be hyper focused because you have no choice,
and I'm like, yeah, I get that. I'm just saying
like you also needed to be able to hold your
body weight in case. When I said to Tanner and hey,
(35:15):
pro tip, Freddie, you park rangers or I don't know
who's ever in charge of the National Park System, why
don't they put run a cable up there instead of
chains and then let you, you know, tie on to
the cable. Because I would totally do Angels Landing if
I felt like there was no chance I could plummet
to my death. And if they got the chain there anyway,
(35:37):
why not put a cable and let you clamp onto it.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
It's an awesome question.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Or is that just because then it's not like real hiking.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I mean, they could give you some slacks. You could
feel like you're falling for seven eight, nine ten feet.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I don't know, but I mean.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Not because that would be because I think that's the
experienced people are looking for. You know what if worst
case near ge get the experience falling to my death.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
Yeah, I'm just saying like no, But my point is
somebody took the time to pound these poles into the
stone and run chain, why not do a cable and
give us a clip.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
You know, it doesn't mean you have to clip on.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
The d point.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Yeah, it would be like it's a kin to training
wheels like for us novice hikers. Slash I said to
Tanner he got Tanner said the best quote.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I can't tell you Tanner's best quote. My best quote
of the trip, Tanner said, was that yesterday when we
were doing the Emerald Pools, I said, oh, I don't
like that they kind of poured some concrete here because
I feel like it's not real hiking if we're walking
on stones, and Tanner's like, okay. And then today as
we were going up Walter's Wiggles, which is that part
(36:56):
of it is stone that they've poured like in some
sort of concrete. Uh, I go, I picked back everything
I said about this not being a real right.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Oh my goodness. He's like, yeah, that was that was
my moment I guess of the trip.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
So Tanner, any last thoughts on your on your what
could be your last road trip.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
It it's been fun, been exciting. We've had a lot
of fun. There's talks about us doing Bryce Canyon on
the way home, which is another national park, Okay, in Utah,
So we get the three major national parks in Utah done,
which would be really We did.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Arches last year in Moab, and then we did Zion
today and yesterday, and so we're thinking that maybe when
he moves home in the spring, we could do Bryce Canyon.
And then there's a really cute hat that has a
patch with all three national parks on it, and if
we do that, then I want that hat.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
It's so.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Dollars hat.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
So no shipping of the vehicle this in the spring.
It's gonna for sure be a road trip.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Well for sure a lot of too much stuff coming.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Home the h And by the way, that's a whole
other podcast, the shipping of a vehicle, which we'll get to.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Wait a second though, I do we have time?
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Why don't you tell us about how fun it was,
because I do feel like we've well, I have monopolized
this entire podcast. It has been a very very big
week for you because both of your boys are now
in San Diego. You're you actually, well, we were on
this road trip. You flew with Gabe, as we had
mentioned in the previous podcast, to move him into college
(38:42):
at St. Marcos in San Diego or just outside to
San Diego. So, uh, but you shipped Gabe's car. Why
don't you tell us how that went?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Sean, Well, it went, it went fine. The vehicle arrived,
so I guess we call that a six excess. However,
the I guess it's standard. When you're shipping a vehicle,
they give you an estimated pickup day, not a time
(39:10):
a day. So it's not like your cable guy that'll
be there between eight and four. These guys will be
here between Tuesday and Thursday, and then then they did
and then the delivery is kind of dependent on how
they arrive. But the delivery is the same thing. It's like, yeah,
we'll be there on the twenty second, unless it's not
going to be till the twenty fourth or the twenty fifth.
(39:32):
So we shipped Gabe's car down there. We were going
to road trip as well. We're going to do something different.
We're kind of planning to hit some baseball stadiums on
the way down. But my work kind of came into
the mix, and so he decided to ship the car.
And then Gabe and I flew down and we waited
for his car. Well he waited for his car because
I wasn't there anymore. But if you are going to
(39:54):
ship an automobile, the just understand that it will take
the pickup time is variable, and the delivery time is variable,
and your driver may ask.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
You for money when you first pick up the car.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
So yesterday for an extra cash only.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Cash no not not not just cash only.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
You could venmo so you could, I mean, but.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
It goes straight to the driver. And we were a
little skeptical of that. But like I said, it all
worked out. His car arrived with all his stuff in it,
and uh, he is now set. He had his first
classes this morning and uh, he's just went to Target.
I just noticed that I have another two hundred dollars
(40:41):
charge on my credit card at Target, which is awesome,
but he's getting settled.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
That's awesome. I know you're very proud of him.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
And yes, we had actually had a very good.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Time old hat at this stuff, and Noah's been down
in San Diego already.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
The good news about the road is you don't need.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
To record a podcast to try to keep somebody awake, because,
as we mentioned at the beginning, this whole thing came
about because Sean was checking on us and found out
that I had just ordered Tanner to start quizzing me
on math backs to try to keep me awake, And
You're like, are you kidding me? Just pull over and
let him drive, And but with.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
That I was offering to drive too.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Having said that, I feel like it's a good time
to end our part of the podcast because I believe
we're in Flagstaff and it is pouring rain and I
should probably get off the cell phone.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
This has been another Curveball production.
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