August 20, 2025 • 20 mins
René and Shawn asked a few folks “Who would you put on your personal Mt Rushmore?” And the results are quite fascinating.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to another Curveball production. Take three. We have not
got past the first four sentences.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well because we actually have gotten past them, but then
there's always something.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
There is something. Well, Sean had mentioned that we have
twenty seven hours and twenty nine minutes available on this
recording device, and I thought to myself, well, good grief,
we're not going to fill up twenty seven hours.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We are not, And we used about two of those
minutes on the first two takes, so now we're down
to some fewer and less minutes. So I think we're golden.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
It is a very busy week, so we better get
after it.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We should, Yes, it is. I am flying down to
San Diego area with Gabe to get him into his
college for a sophomore year, and you are on your
way to Phoenix.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I am for the annual Fall move in road trip
that I think I will probably miss more than Tanner,
but it's his senior year, so it's our final road
trip down anyway. And every year we do take a
different path, as our listeners know because they've been on
this entire journey with us. They have and this time
we're going west and we're going out through the Black
(01:23):
Hills or out to the Black Hills through the bad
lands of South Dakota. I'm forcing Tanner to stop at
Mount Rushmore, even though he's assured me he doesn't need
to see it. I told him, as a good mother,
I think it's my job to make sure he sees
it at least well.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And I think and I have I take some of
the blame for his not wanting to see it, because
I had a conversation with him about Mount Rushmore about how, yeah,
you gotta see it. It's going to take you about
fifteen minutes and then you you can walk away because
there's not much else to do besides see it, right
and take a couple of selfies.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Not on the edge, right right. I remember one of
my college break trips was that road trip out to
Mount Rushmore, and I think we were there for all
of about twenty after.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
But you do have to see it if you're in
that neck of the woods. And I'm not sure why
you would be, but you should stop, buy and see
it because it is very majestic.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, I'm excited to share it with him. He's the
kid who likes to get out and hike and kind
of wander lust through the world. So we're gonna head
that way, head in through Salt Lake, spend quite a
bit of time in Utah. We're finally going to do
Zion National Park. By the time you hear from me again,
you should know whether or not I made it to
(02:36):
Angels Landing and if I plummeted to my death.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
And during that. So that's your trip. My trip with Gabe.
We are flying on Thursday, getting him into his dorm
on Friday, and I'm flying home on Saturday. Right, so
same thing.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I'm leaving at five am on Friday and won't be
home until like five o'clock Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, same deal, same thing. But one of the reasons
behind this particular podcast was twofold one was I was
listening to a radio station on one of my walks,
of course, and they were they talked about who would
be on their own personal Mount Rushmore. And I'm pretty
(03:23):
sure all of you have, especially if you watch any
kind of sports. That's a big thing that's been around
for the last few years, is what sports figures would
be on the Mount Rushmore with those sports in general
or football players, that type of thing. And these guys
what they did is they said no, personally for you.
If you could pick four people, who would you choose?
And I thought that might be a fun little podcast,
(03:46):
is to chat with Renee about you know, who she
would put on there, who I might put on there?
And we happened to my parents were in town over
the weekend, and I brought it up to them and
they thought it was interesting as well. So they thought
start thinking of who they would put on their personal
amount rushmore.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
But then you leveled up. You know what, I'm going
to shoot a tex staff to all of our kids
and see who they would put on their personal amount rushmores.
And we could kind of we could kind of see
the generational differences perhaps perhaps.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Right and and you know, and I was, you know
so I so I crafted this text out to the kids,
and I was expecting some pushback, what do you mean
by this? I'm going to be this? And da da dada,
pretty much all of them immediately came back with four names,
no questions, just boom, I feel awesome.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
No, yeah, I was impressed, and I was really impressed
with their choices. Uh, they have participated in this podcast
much more than I have this week because I am
out I we'll get to that later, I can't do
the assignment and well, I'm an epic failure for this podcast.
(04:56):
But we're going to share with you some of the
people that made the cut, uh, from our loved ones.
Oh and one of the things too. The rule was
it couldn't be family, and it couldn't be God or
Allah or Buddha or somebody.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
The ear was the ear was the homework assignment as
I sent it out. We are doing a podcast on
Mount Rushmore. I need to know what four people you
would put on your personal Mount Rushmore could be because
they deserve it, just because based on who they are
or someone that means something to you. Can't be family, God, Jesus, Ala, Buddha,
(05:32):
anybody Else's fair game. That's all I gave them so
they could take it and interpret that as they wanted
and get come back with their names. And they all
did a fabulous job.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
They did. They did, and you have the notes in
front of you. I will say too, to add to
the fun. As soon as somebody checked in with their four,
Sean went to chat GPT because it would be weird
for us to not mention AI in a podcast, of course,
So Sean goes to chat GPT and has a Mount
Rushmore created for the four people and then texts it
(06:04):
back to the kids.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Or so we're gonna have we're gonna do commitative prints
for all of them, because this also is now turning
into Christmas gifts for everybody, so it's even it's this
is a gift that keeps on giving, right, I'm sure you're.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
All excited to know Shawn's planning T shirts with your
own Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yep, correct, and making sure that mine is my pictures
on all of them as well. And so so yeah,
so they came back and what and to really nobody's surprise,
the text went out to everybody pretty much at the
same time. Tanner was first in well.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And Tanner watches a ton of documentaries and stuff and
history is like his thing, and he immediately went with
historical figures.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, so he came back and and he went with
came back, and because he was first, he gets he
gets to be named first. Steve Jobs, Jackie Robinson, Elvis Presley,
and Henry Ford. And and again we didn't go back
and ask, you know, why those were chosen.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Which I do think is a miss on our part. Well,
I think a little context the kids would have been nice.
Maybe in a follow up episode.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Maybeah, there you go see again, we can this is
this is good. We might use all the hours on
this this disk with all the good stuff we have
going on. But that was just his So then I.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Love the fact that he included Henry Ford. Yes, like,
I mean, I know he's all about cars and stuff,
but the whole didn't. Isn't he responsible for creating the
assembly line?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of a big deal. Anders
who can argue about Elvis right.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
The which then leads us to one of the issues
that Renee has been having struggling with in choosing her
for people for this Mount Rushmore, because Renee took the
homework assignment and added her own little overthinking to it.
(07:58):
Shocking and and so she's been struggling. So for instance,
you know you just mentioned you know, Henry Ford, he
did some great stuff. Yeah, and one of this, but
you would probably not have them on there. And why
would you not have him on there?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I don't know. Did he do something bad?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I don't know if he did or did not.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Well, there's that, okay, So that's my whole thing, is
like with Elvis Presley like Elvis, Okay, yeah, you know
the King, YadA YadA, but he also, you know, was
kind of into sex, drugs and rock and roll and
do we really want him? Here's my thing.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I was gonna save this for later in the podcast. No,
my struggle is I don't rank people like I don't
rank importance. I think everyone's contributions to society are valid.
I mean, okay, like serial killers and people like that, notwithstanding,
but I'm sure their mothers think they're great regardless. I
(08:52):
can't narrow it down because I don't know people. I
think we did a podcast about this before, about our
idols or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I've never I've never befriended any of these people. I
don't know if they're quality through and through. I don't
know if they deserve that. And if you consider the
fact that we're all inherently flawed, no one's perfect. So
it's not like you're putting perfect people on your personal
amount rushians correct, But how in the world do you
narrow it down? Because I just I can't. I started,
(09:23):
I got I made some progress. I said, Look, first off,
I was never going to do celebrities or historical figures,
because to me, it's your everyday person that's making an
impact in the world that's really probably deserving of such
an honor, but you'd never know it because they're not
going around.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
So you're one of your people would be Rosy the Riveter.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
No, no, why I've you never even heard me say
Rosie the Riveter name like they have not, not in
this conversation. Fair enough, okay, But what I'm saying is
so then I started thinking, how about instead of individual people,
what if we what if I did professions? So can
I just have like a head that represents teachers, for example,
(10:06):
because I think teachers make a difference. And it's a
standing joke where I work, because you know, if a
compliment comes through from a client or something, I say, look,
you know, I'm glad you're happy. It's not like I'm
making the world a better place here. I'm not saving babies.
I'm not saving lives with what I do. I think
our first responders they deserve to be up on them,
you know, I mean things like that. I can put
(10:29):
categories on the wall, but I don't think I can
narrow it down to four individuals. I have very fun
for this assignment.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Well, and here's the funny part about it was, as
I sent out the text of the kids, I was
really expecting my oldest Noah to be the one to
come back and have questions and say by this do
you mean this? And by this and what do you mean?
But he didn't. He immediately came back to me with
(10:59):
Randy SpongeBob, Bruno, Mars and nas Reed. See took the assignment,
found four and just came back with them. Yeah, very
simple and again not sure exactly why it could now,
no offense Noah. When you're listening to this. Knowing Noah,
he probably went, I'm just gonna give him four and
(11:22):
just go with it, which is fine. Yeah, what works.
But again that's that is more of the not thinking
part of it and just going here's some people I'd
like to see. I would like to see up there.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I know, I really wish that I had the ability
to do that.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It would be a.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Very fun assignment.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I'd like your but I do like your putting them
up there in groups of people. Sure that that can
go there? And you when we were talking about it,
you did bring the caveat that. Yeah, you could put
teachers up there and they're bad teachers.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
You could pray nurses up there and there's bad nurses.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, and I else But I did say though, pets,
like I would like a category for dogs because they're
so giving and they're so worthy of our love and
we're not worthy of them, right, And I'm sure some
people are just rolling their eyes, but like, pets bring
great joy and peace and harmony to so many people's lives,
like I can't imagine I can't imagine my life without
(12:15):
Clover right now and anyway. But and it turns out
that my youngest must feel similarly because her list included
her family dog, yes, which you tried to tell her
doesn't work because Clover's part of the family.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But it ultimately had to had to let it go,
so she went with Helen Keller, Albert Einstein, Clover, and
Adam Sandler. So again, people that just bring out something
that means something to you.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Right, I think that maybe would have been easier. I
think I overthink it. Well, yeah, and the more I
try to underthink it, the more I overthink the.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
The more you couldn't because of this, and well what
about this and the but and staying with the the
pet theme. Lauren's boyfriend Colton, he came in with him
with with his list and it's actually perfect for him.
But he went with a with a pet as well,
(13:16):
although he went with old Yeller Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Which is crazy. I can't believe he didn't say buddy,
but I think he felt shamed after you told Lauren
that she.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
His family dog. Yes suh and yes, but he could
have but no, he went with Old Yeller. But then
he finished his off with George straight Waylon Jennings and
the Duke John Wayne. Yeah. Again, great names, but in
just pardon me, does want to go back and ask
(13:45):
why names were chosen, But then the other part of
me is like, no, it's just who they were, it's
their personal people.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I also think it would be a fun experiment to
do annually or every five years with people and see
if there are four people would change. It's hard to
say because as we saw, like with your parents, Well,
Tanner is a bit of an old soul and so
well he did go Steve Jobs.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I mean he's right, relatively relatively uhtorical newer ish my dad.
He he went really old school. He went with Clint Eastwood,
Dwight Eisenhower. He also went Albert Einstein and Johnny Cash.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So again, he definitely went a little bit more further
back in his life as far as his lifetime goes. Now,
there's still some obviously some people that were pre date,
even my dad. Yes, Dad, that's true. But but again
just a little bit, a little a little different flavor
for his And then I got to pull up my
(14:58):
mom's here. Well, I'm doing that. I was thinking about Mike.
I know everybody's sitting on the edge of the seat
right now, going who to Sean pick? Who was his?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Well, because we had we had to create a rule
for Sean that it couldn't be himself.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
At different stages of my life, there'd be a baby Sean.
And but yes, we uh we we did do that.
But I went and I went a little bit different
route in this because their mine. I can tell you
the reasoning behind it. So I went with Kirby Pucket
(15:33):
of the Twins from the late eighties early nineties for
those of you who don't know, and the rationale behind that. Again,
if you from a you know, personal life, he had
his issues, that's well documented. But for me, he was
watching him play. He just had such so much fun
for the game. He was just so enjoyable and he
was good. That helped and helped him win two World Series. Yes,
(15:56):
that helped as well, but the way he went about
his business and the way he went about playing the
game really helped me start to really enjoy baseball because
I could see that there are guys out there that
that played the game and had fun. So it was
it was just it just came in an impactful time
of my life. Along those routes, I chose Robert Bludlam.
(16:18):
He was an author that one of the first books
I ever read for fun was a Robert Bludlam book.
And from that point on I had I just really
love novels, and specifically spy thriller novels. And Renee. Renee
asked me, what what's my faith? I was to pick
a book would be my favorite book, and I would
(16:38):
I'd say basically anything with the CIA operative most likely retired,
come out of retirement because somebody kidnapped part of his
family or his best friend, and now he has to
go get him and kill him. There's there's the novel
right there.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Lucky for you, there are quite a few books that
have been written just like that, that is correct.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
And then I went with with two Edgar Okay again family.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Dog, oh and Alan Poe and Alan Pole.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Edgar was the dog that we had for many years,
and he and I took walks all the time, and
he just is just a great companion to have. And
Edgar Allan Pole because he was one of the first
historical figures that I had to do an essay about, Okay,
and so back in the day you have to go
to the library and you'd have to look up books
(17:26):
and you have to get just to get all your
information and put together your essay on it. And it
was the first one that got me interested in the
historical nature of people and finding out who they were,
where they came from, and that whole going back and
taking a look at people's lives. It was the first
one I did. And is writing writing was good. I mean,
(17:48):
I'm not a big Edgar Allan poll writer fan, really,
but but I just that he worked. Just finding out
about his life just got me interested in history. So anyway,
those were the reasons I picked my phone.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I like your reasoning. I didn't know that you were
an Allen Poe Fan it's fun.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Well it's again. Those are now to your point down
the road. Might those change? Possibly? I just don't know
for sure. But we're still and we're still waiting on
my youngest on Gabe. He's given us three and as
as of the recording, we don't have his fourth yet. Uh.
He gave us who do you give us?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Sir Isaac Newton, Sir.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Isaac Newton, Frederick Douglas and Malcolm X three solid choices.
Waiting for that fourth one. It's gonna be a wild card,
I'm afraid.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, well that's okay. Maybe it'll be a woman that
would Yes, the women have been a little light on
the list mentioned. We haven't done your moms yet. Lauren
did Helen Keller, but I think she's the only other one.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Mom My mom has a couple. I'm went with Gandhi.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Okay, not a woman.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Not a woman, Arena Sabalnka Okay. He was a tennis player.
My mom likes her test. My mom will get up
at two o'clock in the morning to watch TV and
she'll flip through till she finds tennis and she'll sit
there and watch tennis. I mean, that's just what she does,
and then she went with Nikola Tesla Okay, and her
(19:24):
third was Amelia Earhart. The fourth was Amelia Airheart, so
she had a solid four as well. That they came
through it again, just they didn't necessarily give us any
reasons behind it, they just did it. So I found
those all those very interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I think they are very I think hopefully the podcast
is inspiring for people to think about with their own families,
who would you put on there? Now A more difficult
question is who in your family would you put on there?
Because if you have to narrow it down to four
people who've made an impact or that mean the most
to you and your family, that's going to make some
awkward holiday conversation and you'll.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Bring up a Thanksgiving and then somebody will sit back
and let's talk politics.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Although I think we can safely say that if my
nephew Gabe's listening, I would be on his form.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Clearly that's a given.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Only because I keep needling him about it.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So go ahead and think about what your four are
and get back to us if you want to, And
we'd love to hear what what your Mount Rushmore looks like.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
This has been another curveball production
Welcome to another Curveball production. Take three. We have not
got past the first four sentences.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Well because we actually have gotten past them, but then
there's always something.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
There is something. Well, Sean had mentioned that we have
twenty seven hours and twenty nine minutes available on this
recording device, and I thought to myself, well, good grief,
we're not going to fill up twenty seven hours.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
We are not, And we used about two of those
minutes on the first two takes, so now we're down
to some fewer and less minutes. So I think we're golden.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
It is a very busy week, so we better get
after it.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
We should, Yes, it is. I am flying down to
San Diego area with Gabe to get him into his
college for a sophomore year, and you are on your
way to Phoenix.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
I am for the annual Fall move in road trip
that I think I will probably miss more than Tanner,
but it's his senior year, so it's our final road
trip down anyway. And every year we do take a
different path, as our listeners know because they've been on
this entire journey with us. They have and this time
we're going west and we're going out through the Black
(01:23):
Hills or out to the Black Hills through the bad
lands of South Dakota. I'm forcing Tanner to stop at
Mount Rushmore, even though he's assured me he doesn't need
to see it. I told him, as a good mother,
I think it's my job to make sure he sees
it at least well.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And I think and I have I take some of
the blame for his not wanting to see it, because
I had a conversation with him about Mount Rushmore about how, yeah,
you gotta see it. It's going to take you about
fifteen minutes and then you you can walk away because
there's not much else to do besides see it, right
and take a couple of selfies.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Not on the edge, right right. I remember one of
my college break trips was that road trip out to
Mount Rushmore, and I think we were there for all
of about twenty after.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
But you do have to see it if you're in
that neck of the woods. And I'm not sure why
you would be, but you should stop, buy and see
it because it is very majestic.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, I'm excited to share it with him. He's the
kid who likes to get out and hike and kind
of wander lust through the world. So we're gonna head
that way, head in through Salt Lake, spend quite a
bit of time in Utah. We're finally going to do
Zion National Park. By the time you hear from me again,
you should know whether or not I made it to
(02:36):
Angels Landing and if I plummeted to my death.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
And during that. So that's your trip. My trip with Gabe.
We are flying on Thursday, getting him into his dorm
on Friday, and I'm flying home on Saturday. Right, so
same thing.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I'm leaving at five am on Friday and won't be
home until like five o'clock Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, same deal, same thing. But one of the reasons
behind this particular podcast was twofold one was I was
listening to a radio station on one of my walks,
of course, and they were they talked about who would
be on their own personal Mount Rushmore. And I'm pretty
(03:23):
sure all of you have, especially if you watch any
kind of sports. That's a big thing that's been around
for the last few years, is what sports figures would
be on the Mount Rushmore with those sports in general
or football players, that type of thing. And these guys
what they did is they said no, personally for you.
If you could pick four people, who would you choose?
And I thought that might be a fun little podcast,
(03:46):
is to chat with Renee about you know, who she
would put on there, who I might put on there?
And we happened to my parents were in town over
the weekend, and I brought it up to them and
they thought it was interesting as well. So they thought
start thinking of who they would put on their personal
amount rushmore.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
But then you leveled up. You know what, I'm going
to shoot a tex staff to all of our kids
and see who they would put on their personal amount rushmores.
And we could kind of we could kind of see
the generational differences perhaps perhaps.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Right and and you know, and I was, you know
so I so I crafted this text out to the kids,
and I was expecting some pushback, what do you mean
by this? I'm going to be this? And da da dada,
pretty much all of them immediately came back with four names,
no questions, just boom, I feel awesome.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
No, yeah, I was impressed, and I was really impressed
with their choices. Uh, they have participated in this podcast
much more than I have this week because I am
out I we'll get to that later, I can't do
the assignment and well, I'm an epic failure for this podcast.
(04:56):
But we're going to share with you some of the
people that made the cut, uh, from our loved ones.
Oh and one of the things too. The rule was
it couldn't be family, and it couldn't be God or
Allah or Buddha or somebody.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
The ear was the ear was the homework assignment as
I sent it out. We are doing a podcast on
Mount Rushmore. I need to know what four people you
would put on your personal Mount Rushmore could be because
they deserve it, just because based on who they are
or someone that means something to you. Can't be family, God, Jesus, Ala, Buddha,
(05:32):
anybody Else's fair game. That's all I gave them so
they could take it and interpret that as they wanted
and get come back with their names. And they all
did a fabulous job.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
They did. They did, and you have the notes in
front of you. I will say too, to add to
the fun. As soon as somebody checked in with their four,
Sean went to chat GPT because it would be weird
for us to not mention AI in a podcast, of course,
So Sean goes to chat GPT and has a Mount
Rushmore created for the four people and then texts it
(06:04):
back to the kids.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Or so we're gonna have we're gonna do commitative prints
for all of them, because this also is now turning
into Christmas gifts for everybody, so it's even it's this
is a gift that keeps on giving, right, I'm sure you're.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
All excited to know Shawn's planning T shirts with your
own Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yep, correct, and making sure that mine is my pictures
on all of them as well. And so so yeah,
so they came back and what and to really nobody's surprise,
the text went out to everybody pretty much at the
same time. Tanner was first in well.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
And Tanner watches a ton of documentaries and stuff and
history is like his thing, and he immediately went with
historical figures.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Yeah, so he came back and and he went with
came back, and because he was first, he gets he
gets to be named first. Steve Jobs, Jackie Robinson, Elvis Presley,
and Henry Ford. And and again we didn't go back
and ask, you know, why those were chosen.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Which I do think is a miss on our part. Well,
I think a little context the kids would have been nice.
Maybe in a follow up episode.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Maybeah, there you go see again, we can this is
this is good. We might use all the hours on
this this disk with all the good stuff we have
going on. But that was just his So then I.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Love the fact that he included Henry Ford. Yes, like,
I mean, I know he's all about cars and stuff,
but the whole didn't. Isn't he responsible for creating the
assembly line?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of a big deal. Anders
who can argue about Elvis right.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
The which then leads us to one of the issues
that Renee has been having struggling with in choosing her
for people for this Mount Rushmore, because Renee took the
homework assignment and added her own little overthinking to it.
(07:58):
Shocking and and so she's been struggling. So for instance,
you know you just mentioned you know, Henry Ford, he
did some great stuff. Yeah, and one of this, but
you would probably not have them on there. And why
would you not have him on there?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I don't know. Did he do something bad?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I don't know if he did or did not.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Well, there's that, okay, So that's my whole thing, is
like with Elvis Presley like Elvis, Okay, yeah, you know
the King, YadA YadA, but he also, you know, was
kind of into sex, drugs and rock and roll and
do we really want him? Here's my thing.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I was gonna save this for later in the podcast. No,
my struggle is I don't rank people like I don't
rank importance. I think everyone's contributions to society are valid.
I mean, okay, like serial killers and people like that, notwithstanding,
but I'm sure their mothers think they're great regardless. I
(08:52):
can't narrow it down because I don't know people. I
think we did a podcast about this before, about our
idols or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I've never I've never befriended any of these people. I
don't know if they're quality through and through. I don't
know if they deserve that. And if you consider the
fact that we're all inherently flawed, no one's perfect. So
it's not like you're putting perfect people on your personal
amount rushians correct, But how in the world do you
narrow it down? Because I just I can't. I started,
(09:23):
I got I made some progress. I said, Look, first off,
I was never going to do celebrities or historical figures,
because to me, it's your everyday person that's making an
impact in the world that's really probably deserving of such
an honor, but you'd never know it because they're not
going around.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
So you're one of your people would be Rosy the Riveter.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
No, no, why I've you never even heard me say
Rosie the Riveter name like they have not, not in
this conversation. Fair enough, okay, But what I'm saying is
so then I started thinking, how about instead of individual people,
what if we what if I did professions? So can
I just have like a head that represents teachers, for example,
(10:06):
because I think teachers make a difference. And it's a
standing joke where I work, because you know, if a
compliment comes through from a client or something, I say, look,
you know, I'm glad you're happy. It's not like I'm
making the world a better place here. I'm not saving babies.
I'm not saving lives with what I do. I think
our first responders they deserve to be up on them,
you know, I mean things like that. I can put
(10:29):
categories on the wall, but I don't think I can
narrow it down to four individuals. I have very fun
for this assignment.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Well, and here's the funny part about it was, as
I sent out the text of the kids, I was
really expecting my oldest Noah to be the one to
come back and have questions and say by this do
you mean this? And by this and what do you mean?
But he didn't. He immediately came back to me with
(10:59):
Randy SpongeBob, Bruno, Mars and nas Reed. See took the assignment,
found four and just came back with them. Yeah, very
simple and again not sure exactly why it could now,
no offense Noah. When you're listening to this. Knowing Noah,
he probably went, I'm just gonna give him four and
(11:22):
just go with it, which is fine. Yeah, what works.
But again that's that is more of the not thinking
part of it and just going here's some people I'd
like to see. I would like to see up there.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I know, I really wish that I had the ability
to do that.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
It would be a.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Very fun assignment.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I'd like your but I do like your putting them
up there in groups of people. Sure that that can
go there? And you when we were talking about it,
you did bring the caveat that. Yeah, you could put
teachers up there and they're bad teachers.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
You could pray nurses up there and there's bad nurses.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, and I else But I did say though, pets,
like I would like a category for dogs because they're
so giving and they're so worthy of our love and
we're not worthy of them, right, And I'm sure some
people are just rolling their eyes, but like, pets bring
great joy and peace and harmony to so many people's lives,
like I can't imagine I can't imagine my life without
(12:15):
Clover right now and anyway. But and it turns out
that my youngest must feel similarly because her list included
her family dog, yes, which you tried to tell her
doesn't work because Clover's part of the family.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But it ultimately had to had to let it go,
so she went with Helen Keller, Albert Einstein, Clover, and
Adam Sandler. So again, people that just bring out something
that means something to you.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Right, I think that maybe would have been easier. I
think I overthink it. Well, yeah, and the more I
try to underthink it, the more I overthink the.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
The more you couldn't because of this, and well what
about this and the but and staying with the the
pet theme. Lauren's boyfriend Colton, he came in with him
with with his list and it's actually perfect for him.
But he went with a with a pet as well,
(13:16):
although he went with old Yeller Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Which is crazy. I can't believe he didn't say buddy,
but I think he felt shamed after you told Lauren
that she.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
His family dog. Yes suh and yes, but he could
have but no, he went with Old Yeller. But then
he finished his off with George straight Waylon Jennings and
the Duke John Wayne. Yeah. Again, great names, but in
just pardon me, does want to go back and ask
(13:45):
why names were chosen, But then the other part of
me is like, no, it's just who they were, it's
their personal people.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I also think it would be a fun experiment to
do annually or every five years with people and see
if there are four people would change. It's hard to
say because as we saw, like with your parents, Well,
Tanner is a bit of an old soul and so
well he did go Steve Jobs.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I mean he's right, relatively relatively uhtorical newer ish my dad.
He he went really old school. He went with Clint Eastwood,
Dwight Eisenhower. He also went Albert Einstein and Johnny Cash.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So again, he definitely went a little bit more further
back in his life as far as his lifetime goes. Now,
there's still some obviously some people that were pre date,
even my dad. Yes, Dad, that's true. But but again
just a little bit, a little a little different flavor
for his And then I got to pull up my
(14:58):
mom's here. Well, I'm doing that. I was thinking about Mike.
I know everybody's sitting on the edge of the seat
right now, going who to Sean pick? Who was his?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Well, because we had we had to create a rule
for Sean that it couldn't be himself.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
At different stages of my life, there'd be a baby Sean.
And but yes, we uh we we did do that.
But I went and I went a little bit different
route in this because their mine. I can tell you
the reasoning behind it. So I went with Kirby Pucket
(15:33):
of the Twins from the late eighties early nineties for
those of you who don't know, and the rationale behind that. Again,
if you from a you know, personal life, he had
his issues, that's well documented. But for me, he was
watching him play. He just had such so much fun
for the game. He was just so enjoyable and he
was good. That helped and helped him win two World Series. Yes,
(15:56):
that helped as well, but the way he went about
his business and the way he went about playing the
game really helped me start to really enjoy baseball because
I could see that there are guys out there that
that played the game and had fun. So it was
it was just it just came in an impactful time
of my life. Along those routes, I chose Robert Bludlam.
(16:18):
He was an author that one of the first books
I ever read for fun was a Robert Bludlam book.
And from that point on I had I just really
love novels, and specifically spy thriller novels. And Renee. Renee
asked me, what what's my faith? I was to pick
a book would be my favorite book, and I would
(16:38):
I'd say basically anything with the CIA operative most likely retired,
come out of retirement because somebody kidnapped part of his
family or his best friend, and now he has to
go get him and kill him. There's there's the novel
right there.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Lucky for you, there are quite a few books that
have been written just like that, that is correct.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
And then I went with with two Edgar Okay again family.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Dog, oh and Alan Poe and Alan Pole.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Edgar was the dog that we had for many years,
and he and I took walks all the time, and
he just is just a great companion to have. And
Edgar Allan Pole because he was one of the first
historical figures that I had to do an essay about, Okay,
and so back in the day you have to go
to the library and you'd have to look up books
(17:26):
and you have to get just to get all your
information and put together your essay on it. And it
was the first one that got me interested in the
historical nature of people and finding out who they were,
where they came from, and that whole going back and
taking a look at people's lives. It was the first
one I did. And is writing writing was good. I mean,
(17:48):
I'm not a big Edgar Allan poll writer fan, really,
but but I just that he worked. Just finding out
about his life just got me interested in history. So anyway,
those were the reasons I picked my phone.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I like your reasoning. I didn't know that you were
an Allen Poe Fan it's fun.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Well it's again. Those are now to your point down
the road. Might those change? Possibly? I just don't know
for sure. But we're still and we're still waiting on
my youngest on Gabe. He's given us three and as
as of the recording, we don't have his fourth yet. Uh.
He gave us who do you give us?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Sir Isaac Newton, Sir.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Isaac Newton, Frederick Douglas and Malcolm X three solid choices.
Waiting for that fourth one. It's gonna be a wild card,
I'm afraid.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, well that's okay. Maybe it'll be a woman that
would Yes, the women have been a little light on
the list mentioned. We haven't done your moms yet. Lauren
did Helen Keller, but I think she's the only other one.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Mom My mom has a couple. I'm went with Gandhi.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Okay, not a woman.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Not a woman, Arena Sabalnka Okay. He was a tennis player.
My mom likes her test. My mom will get up
at two o'clock in the morning to watch TV and
she'll flip through till she finds tennis and she'll sit
there and watch tennis. I mean, that's just what she does,
and then she went with Nikola Tesla Okay, and her
(19:24):
third was Amelia Earhart. The fourth was Amelia Airheart, so
she had a solid four as well. That they came
through it again, just they didn't necessarily give us any
reasons behind it, they just did it. So I found
those all those very interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I think they are very I think hopefully the podcast
is inspiring for people to think about with their own families,
who would you put on there? Now A more difficult
question is who in your family would you put on there?
Because if you have to narrow it down to four
people who've made an impact or that mean the most
to you and your family, that's going to make some
awkward holiday conversation and you'll.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Bring up a Thanksgiving and then somebody will sit back
and let's talk politics.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Although I think we can safely say that if my
nephew Gabe's listening, I would be on his form.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Clearly that's a given.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Only because I keep needling him about it.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So go ahead and think about what your four are
and get back to us if you want to, And
we'd love to hear what what your Mount Rushmore looks like.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
This has been another curveball production
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