July 30, 2025 • 22 mins
René and Shawn take the long way to get to the topic of who we put on pedestals and why we do it.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to another Curveball production, the Hot and Bothered episode.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
But not in the way you're thinking.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Wow, Okay, I would just like to say that we
are hot, hungry, and one of us is perimenopausal. So
we're gonna crank this bad boy out.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We got stuff to do.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, we went out on a walk because we thought,
you know what, let's really hone in on our podcast
topic today. And so we said, let's go for a walk,
Let's figure it out, talk it through, make sure that
we're ready to go with this. With just all the
gusto we could muster, there.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Wasn't a lot of gusto.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
There was a lot of griping for me complaining about
this incessant humidity. It's Minnesota, people, it's not Florida. I
am so disappointed in our local weather forecasters. They need
to forecast some cooler weather. But according to Sean's Weather app,
relief is in the cards for tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
But that's tomorrow. So it didn't really help us out today.
So we were gonna we were walking and where we
have a great topic that we're gonna bring to everybody
today and uh and really, by the time we got
done walking, it was one of those where it's gonna
be like, well, you know what, listeners, here's the de LEO.
We're gonna do our best here and you're gonna like
it and you're going to go through with it with
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us because we're all in this together.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Now I'm having major childhood raising flashbacks because whenever anyone
says we're all in this together, I go to high
school musical.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Okay, all in these two? Good?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Anyway? Otherwise, I was going to say.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
The other thing that reminds me of the children being
younger is I used to say, you get what you
get and you don't pitch a fit.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So that's what we're telling about, right. It's kind of
like dinner. There's gonna be some vegetables. The truth is,
we set out on our walk.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
To flesh out, flesh out the pod cast that we
thought we were going to do, and by the end
we still might well true. But as we were coming
up the driveway, I looked at you and I was like,
so what are we going to talk about?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So you're in for fun.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
We started with one we were going one way, then
we kind of went a different way, and then we
ended up with the whole new thing. But then we
but ultimately what we decided there's there were three deaths
last week that everybody is by now most likely aware of,
and for Renee and I the three people, and it's
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really going to actually what's going to happen as we
continue to get older, It's going to be those people
that are a little bit older than us that are
going to die, and we're going to think to ourselves,
they're pretty impactful in our lives.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I think it's really important to say that there were
many more than three.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Deaths last week.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
There were there were three famous deaths that might resonate
with jet xers more than other generations, right, right, So
I just don't want to be insensitive to people who
have actually lost loved ones.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Correct, and the families of those three people.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Correct. And I think what she's bringing up is we
were not going to speak specifically of Chuck Mangioni because
as I was, you know, kind of saying, well, that's
a sad one because he's you know, pretty pretty cool trumpeter,
and Renee did not know who he was. So we
just decided not.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
To my lack of the horn knowledge, so many joys.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Time, Yes, folks, that's what you're going to get today,
but no, So we had the we had Malcolm Jamal Warner.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
We had probably remembered from the cosmic.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Correct theo.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Ozzy Osbourne probably remembered as the Prince of Darkness and
the one who bit the head off of a dove
or a pigeon.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
It was a bird and it was an The Iowegians
are very excited because that's their claim to fame. They
have one and the Hulk Colgan. Oh yes, I was
going to say the Hulk stars. I went with the
Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And I saw you try to rip your T shirt too.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
But dad that it didn't hurt myself.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Hey wait, I do need to I do need to
say that.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
This isn't something we discussed, but it came up as
part of Wednesday Night supper Club last week because I
think that was the day that Hulk Cogan passed away.
And I got a message from my kids saying, did
you hear that the Hulk died? And I went with
the Big green Man with the rage and I was like, oh,
is that Bill Baxter.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Don't Bill Bixby?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
No, but then obviously played by Lou and so, but
I think he's still alive as well or did you
pass away anyway? So finally, the children at the Wednesday
night supper club dinner table, which is what we host
every Wednesday, uh except tomorrow night. Because I'm having all
this other rage, did you mention it's hot?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's just like.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I can't even, I can't even right now. But yeah,
so I was misinformed. But I also am familiar with
Hulk Hogan, as I'm sure many of you are.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
The and it was interesting that when the Hulk was
brought up that you would immediately go to the big
green monster dude versus Hulk Hogan because he was very impactful.
I guess impactful in my life growing up. I mean
I was. I was in high school and into college
and into WWE wrestling. It was very cool.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I wish this was one of those times that we
were videoing on YouTube because people could see the concerned
or interested look I'm giving you. Please tell us, Sean,
how is Hulk Hogan influential in your life?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Well, let me tell you how he was influential on
my life.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I do have very defined casts he.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Was because he was the American hero. He was, he
was the guy that he was a hero and all
the wrestling matches and back in the day before it
was it was at the crossover point of of your
old WCW wrestlers, and then it got into the ws WWS.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
That's my glory those are my glory days.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
And and it was it was when they just before
I started to realize that it was entertainment and not
actual wrestling, and so it just it was it. I
always thought that it was real, but then it wasn't.
Plus th he had everybody else that was around at
that point. You had your Andrea the Giant, you had
your Sergeant Slaughter, Rowdy Roddy Rody, Roddy Piper. You had
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all those characters.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
That very blackmail still around then.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Probably you know, I, me and g Oakerland was sitting
there just making sure everybody knew who was what was
going on right.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Right, What a great job he had, I remember. So
Hulk Hogan wasn't necessarily instrumental in my childhood. However, the
ww F slash moving into ww huge because I used
to watch wrestling with my dad and he would eat
cattaloup with a spoon, which I've never seen anybody do
in my adult life. Like everybody cuts candelope up, but
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Dad ate it with a spoon and back then I
ate it also.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But we used to watch the Killer Bees, remember tag teams. Yes,
I mean that was the greatest thing.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yes, and the.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
British Bulldogs were the greatest, and.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Everybody like it wasn't it wasn't an episode?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Is that what they called them? An event? Sure, somebody
picked up one of.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Them brown metal folding chairs and whack somebody over the
head with it.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It was, it was, It was the It was the
the epitome of entertainment in the day. Because you would
watch it, you would say, like it was real, right, Well,
have you it was? Have you ever put a figure
four or four leg lock on somebody? It hurts?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I haven't, but I would like to tell you.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And I've done a sleeper hole too.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I accidentally did a sleeper hole to my ex husband.
His mom was very mad. That might have been the
beginning of the end.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
No, but I will tell you that the whole wrestling
real or fake thing st subject in the family because
my shout out to the X. Yeah, he was a
state champion wrestler and quite good, and his whole family
has been into wrestling, and so even My kids were
very involved in like spectating, spectating at wrestling events, and
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they were like wrestling managers, and they know all about it,
and they know the difference between two points and one
point and all that kind of stuff single leg takedown
and shoot shooting. Yeah, anyway, so uh, I just wanted
to say that I do know the difference, and I
hope all of you know the difference because they're but
but but if you have a path in real wrestling,
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some of those real wrestlers go on.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
There's a lot of the entertaining.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
For that, absolutely, because I think we can all agree
that watching guys roll around in single leads is not
very entertaining.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Well that's let's not let's not forget about the women
wrestlers because entertainment.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Godcha.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
But uh but yeah, so going up, I mean that's
I watched wrestling all the time. That was part of it,
and that it's it was along with that is I
would watch the Cosby Show, sure, and the Cosby Show
back in the day was the show to watch. Again,
we're talking before real there's a lot of cable and
everything else, so you only had your evening shows to watch.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
My favorite part of our conversation today about The Cosby Show.
We were trying to remember what years it aired, and
before I could google it, Sean mentioned that he used
to sell the very fashionable sweaters that were commonly the.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Coogie sweaters or Koogie depending on who you were. But
that's how I because when I was I don't know
if I mentioned this before, but I was top selling
men's sportswear salesperson at Bloomingdale's in they are the mid
nineties when it opened up at the Mall of America.
And part of the reason was because there was the
Coogie sweaters were part of in my department, and those
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sold like hotcakes. And they're very expensive. Oh okay, so
that that helped out.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Did you yourself own one?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I did not mention they're expensive.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well I know, but you know you get a Bloomy's discount.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I didn't. Yeah, that would have dropped him down from
three fifty to three ten and still expensive. But the
other and so the Cosby Show was on, and that
was again it was just the show that you watched
because it was really good. I liked the Cosby Show
because prior to that, Bill Cosby was one of my
favorite comedians of all time. I had at least three
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albums that I would listen to constantly. And then he
had his show and I was like, this is the
Grece thing.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Ever, Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I'm glad that you brought that up because it feeds
into what we were originally going to do the podcast
on Fall from Grace, Right, what happens when you're idle
or not that Bill Cosby was your idol, but somebody
that you really respect.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Or entertaining, and it was it was great, it.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Was yes when they let you down.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yes, I mean it's a yellow dude, Like.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Do you burn the albums?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean, it's already bought and paid for.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
But you know, I think it is a good point
to think about because it happens for us. Even more so,
I think think with athletics, right in professional sports, you've
cut these people up on these pedestals.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Of course, we can come to my theory on that
at some point. But and then they do something horrific.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Right now, what are you supposed to do? Like, for me,
I wash my hands of that person. I'm done.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
But the Bill Cosby thing obviously not a good human being. Right,
But how do I mean when you think of Doctor Huxtable, right,
the character he plays, So how do you separate a
beloved character with the man behind the curtains, so to speak?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And that happens, That happens, like because you brought up
how you'll watch a character and you'll go, they'll be
on a series, and then also that character gets killed
off and there's a there's a there's a sense of
loss because you have invested in that character.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Well, and for me, I think to your point that
when that happens, I'm more impacted than when I hear
that the actual person passed away. And this is something
that we were talking about, which was another angle that
the podcast was going to take, which it's kind of
our popeorie of podcasts, if you will, But this idea
that when a famous person or a celebrity passes away,
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I'm not one to get all worked up about it.
I feel terrible for the loss of any human life.
I feel bad for their family and friends, but I
don't allow myself and I mean, this is just who
I am as a person. I don't put anyone up
on a pedestal. I feel like we all are inherently flawed,
and I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Elevate any life more than the next.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
So when somebody passes away, I think, oh, you know,
that's too bad. You know, they were a great actor.
I'm sure their family's really ripped up about it. But
when you see these elaborate displays and people crying, I'm
talking fans, and I just want to say to them,
have you ever had lunch with them or a cup
of coffee? Have you ever like, for all you know
they're I mean, especially in this day and age, they
could be a real creep. And then you're like all
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sad about it, and I just think I feel like,
as a society, we have that so wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I think it's okay to feel bad for somebody, but
this elaborate emotion that comes like.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
What what's going on in your regular life that you
don't have those kind of connections with people. However, you
put me in my.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Place because it was like I did not, but you
did kind of because you said we were talking about
the characters, and I'm like, yeah, when they kill somebody
off that, I like, I do feel bad, but I
feel like I have a relationship. Now this is messed up,
but I feel like there's a relationship with that character.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But with the actor or actress or celebrity, we don't
typically know them. All we know is whatever their Instagram
feed is showing.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Us, and that's that's And I wonder if for a
lot of people, the character is the person that they
are really mourning.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And that's the part.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Where you get the smarty pants had because you're like, yeah,
but that's not what they're They're sad because you know,
and the.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
And really then passed away, right and the the Then
what makes it even worse is that I'm not I'm
not so much mourning that the person died. I'm mourning
that the person is no longer going to entertain me.
And then you're like and they're like, oh my god,
now what am I gonna? That was such a great if.
If a professional athlete dies in as prime, you know,
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your your thought is, yeah, that sucks, but I mean,
how is he gonna lead us? Now? Who's gonna who's
gonna take over? Who's I mean? He was such a
good play.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Those are the things that's a human response, right, I mean,
obviously it's it's not a canine response.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
For me, it might be sub human, but we don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
But it is.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It is weird how people really, in my opinion, overreact
to the death of celebrities.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I agree, yes, and and again it's don't get me wrong.
There are people out there. There are artists, entertainers that
for some people, I mean, they were instrumental in who
they are are today. And maybe and it again, might
have never met the end of it the person before,
but maybe it's just their craft, their music. There's something
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that hit them at a point where they needed something
and that person brought them there.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And that was the other smarty pants thing you said
on the lock, which is why we almost didn't do
this because you sound a little too smart. But the
reality is, yeah, I mean, certain times in your life
are marked by certain events and people and and so
if you're going through a particularly difficult time and you
find comfort and joy watching you know, Hulk Hogan, and
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that brings you relief. Man, you know, now now maybe
you're sad about that. So now I'm like talking in
circles as usual.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
You are not talking in circles. We're just making sure
that everybody is We're giving everybody that they're fair due
when they're when they have a loss of a celebrity,
of an idol, of somebody. I mean, it affects everybody
in different ways. You and I just are on the
same side of Okay, it's I'm not going to you know,
go on vigil right.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I mean I can see tragic, Like when tragedy strikes people,
I think everybody thinks, well, that's awfully tragic.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
But again, I'm.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Far more concerned about the little boy that got hit
by a car in our school district a couple of
days ago and died. You know, Like I don't know
that family either, but boy, as a mother of you know,
children right in the area, I mean, this is a
family that we can make a difference with. And so
those types of situations pull up my heart strings more
than celebrities. Not that a celebrity life is worth any
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less than any other life.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's just like I need that, I need a connection,
and typically for me, entertainment sports that isn't going to
be the connection.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And the connection that people have too. They're they're so
that they they fluctuate throughout that particular person's career. And
it's interesting how when we're when we're walking and talking,
we're talking about how there are if you look at
a celebrities life or even an athlete's life, it's a
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lot of times it follows two distinct paths. One is
what could be three One is the first one is
they're just great through a whole life and they don't
have any issues, and everybody just goes, okay, what a
you know, stellar human being is refreshing, Yes, when that
happens once and forever, sadly, yeah. And then you have
you have those individuals which you know they might start
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out great and then they stumble and something happens in
their life, accidents, they make a bad choice, and then
they spend the rest of their time trying to recover
from that, and they do a lot of times the
will recover, and then you look at the end of
their careers and say, you know what, great they had
a great career, a little issue here, but ultimately at
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the end of it, full body work. Great. Then you
got the other ones, which you look at them and
they have this great career, everything is going great, and
then all of a sudden you find the skeletons.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, not even all of a sudden, It seems like
the skeletons are constantly jumping out of the closet.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And and you start and you see them and then
all of a sudden you have you can't recover from it.
The Bill Cosby one is one of them for me. O. J.
Simpson is one as well, and it's they just don't
recover again, I don't The Bill Cosby one does? Does
hurt me a little bit more because I did. That
was one that I like, I said, I grew up
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listening to his comedy and thought it was all really
really good comedy. Was it was clean, it was funny.
I could relate to it. And now I'm looking back
at it going, oh, well, I can't really laugh at
Fat Cosby anymore?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Right, right?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
But you know who?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I wonder whether or not they'll recover because it has
been an interesting news week.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
But Albert not Fat Cosby. Well, because I got the
two of them confused, all right, it's fat Albert.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Well, you know the heat's getting to you too, yes,
or something?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Speaking of being in the heat, what about that CEO
of astronomy Because here's the thing. I only have to
bring it up because you mentioned a fall from grace
and I would just like to publicly state to our
you know, listeners on every continent, however many you might
be today. I would just like to say his fall
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from grace is no more worse or no better than
any other cheating scoundrel. And I'm glad he got caught.
But the fact that he happens to be in a
high profile position, who cares. If you're a jerk and
you're cheating on somebody. You're a jerk and you're cheating
on somebody, and I hope you get what you deserve.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I think the it's just the way in which it
was he got caught was just it was spectacular.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Well yeah, and he is suing just so you know,
suing coldplay for I guess that I read the very
beginning of an article, so I haven't researched it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
It was it nil thing. And then he's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I don't know, but I'm just saying like again, like
I'll hit. They're like, oh, what it was employees, And
I got news for you.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
The employees knew. Those types of things don't happen without
everyone knowing. Have you ever worked in an.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Office the But again, there's there's a there's a person
who is now a celebrity who didn't want to be
one but is one.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
And that's the antithesis of antithesis.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Antithesis, sorry, Cosby, So the antithesis of celebrity.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
What is the opposite? That would be no, no, because
well it's like famous or infamous.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Because you can be if you're if you're infamous, you're
still famous.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
So you're saying infamous doesn't exist as a word.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
It does exist as a word. But if you're infamous,
then if you have infamy, then you're famous.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I'm saying you can't really call him. I wouldn't call
him a celebrity. No, he's infamous, he is.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
No, I don't think that's a correct word of the
famous for something that he's Yes, so he's that.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Okay, you know what, right, Sean, I know he loves
your fan mail.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Let us know what word we should be using, because
our brains are pickled, it's been too hot.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
A celebrity would be the word the uncelebratory. I don't
know what.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
That seems wrong.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
But we didn't even touch on Ozzy Osbourne.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
But that's okay, Well we touched on him, but then
we got sidetracked.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
What animal it ate the head off of period?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
The right? And and Ozzy is his own character who
just was his own character.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
As the former heavy metal music director of a college
radio station, had plenty of exposure to Lack Sabbath.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
And were walking. As we're walking, I'm like, oh, yeah, see,
I wasn't so much a Sabbath guy as more of
a motley crew. And she had all those are hair bands.
She continues for the next five minutes, naming all the
hair bands from the eighties and nineties, and I was like, Wow, impressive.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
It's my party trick and go with this. It's been
another Curveball production.
Welcome to another Curveball production, the Hot and Bothered episode.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
But not in the way you're thinking.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Wow, Okay, I would just like to say that we
are hot, hungry, and one of us is perimenopausal. So
we're gonna crank this bad boy out.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
We got stuff to do.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, we went out on a walk because we thought,
you know what, let's really hone in on our podcast
topic today. And so we said, let's go for a walk,
Let's figure it out, talk it through, make sure that
we're ready to go with this. With just all the
gusto we could muster, there.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Wasn't a lot of gusto.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
There was a lot of griping for me complaining about
this incessant humidity. It's Minnesota, people, it's not Florida. I
am so disappointed in our local weather forecasters. They need
to forecast some cooler weather. But according to Sean's Weather app,
relief is in the cards for tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
But that's tomorrow. So it didn't really help us out today.
So we were gonna we were walking and where we
have a great topic that we're gonna bring to everybody
today and uh and really, by the time we got
done walking, it was one of those where it's gonna
be like, well, you know what, listeners, here's the de LEO.
We're gonna do our best here and you're gonna like
it and you're going to go through with it with
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us because we're all in this together.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Now I'm having major childhood raising flashbacks because whenever anyone
says we're all in this together, I go to high
school musical.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Okay, all in these two? Good?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Anyway? Otherwise, I was going to say.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
The other thing that reminds me of the children being
younger is I used to say, you get what you
get and you don't pitch a fit.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So that's what we're telling about, right. It's kind of
like dinner. There's gonna be some vegetables. The truth is,
we set out on our walk.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
To flesh out, flesh out the pod cast that we
thought we were going to do, and by the end
we still might well true. But as we were coming
up the driveway, I looked at you and I was like,
so what are we going to talk about?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So you're in for fun.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
We started with one we were going one way, then
we kind of went a different way, and then we
ended up with the whole new thing. But then we
but ultimately what we decided there's there were three deaths
last week that everybody is by now most likely aware of,
and for Renee and I the three people, and it's
(02:31):
really going to actually what's going to happen as we
continue to get older, It's going to be those people
that are a little bit older than us that are
going to die, and we're going to think to ourselves,
they're pretty impactful in our lives.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I think it's really important to say that there were
many more than three.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Deaths last week.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
There were there were three famous deaths that might resonate
with jet xers more than other generations, right, right, So
I just don't want to be insensitive to people who
have actually lost loved ones.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Correct, and the families of those three people.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Correct. And I think what she's bringing up is we
were not going to speak specifically of Chuck Mangioni because
as I was, you know, kind of saying, well, that's
a sad one because he's you know, pretty pretty cool trumpeter,
and Renee did not know who he was. So we
just decided not.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
To my lack of the horn knowledge, so many joys.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Time, Yes, folks, that's what you're going to get today,
but no, So we had the we had Malcolm Jamal Warner.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
We had probably remembered from the cosmic.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Correct theo.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Ozzy Osbourne probably remembered as the Prince of Darkness and
the one who bit the head off of a dove
or a pigeon.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
It was a bird and it was an The Iowegians
are very excited because that's their claim to fame. They
have one and the Hulk Colgan. Oh yes, I was
going to say the Hulk stars. I went with the
Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And I saw you try to rip your T shirt too.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
But dad that it didn't hurt myself.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Hey wait, I do need to I do need to
say that.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
This isn't something we discussed, but it came up as
part of Wednesday Night supper Club last week because I
think that was the day that Hulk Cogan passed away.
And I got a message from my kids saying, did
you hear that the Hulk died? And I went with
the Big green Man with the rage and I was like, oh,
is that Bill Baxter.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Don't Bill Bixby?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
No, but then obviously played by Lou and so, but
I think he's still alive as well or did you
pass away anyway? So finally, the children at the Wednesday
night supper club dinner table, which is what we host
every Wednesday, uh except tomorrow night. Because I'm having all
this other rage, did you mention it's hot?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It's just like.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I can't even, I can't even right now. But yeah,
so I was misinformed. But I also am familiar with
Hulk Hogan, as I'm sure many of you are.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
The and it was interesting that when the Hulk was
brought up that you would immediately go to the big
green monster dude versus Hulk Hogan because he was very impactful.
I guess impactful in my life growing up. I mean
I was. I was in high school and into college
and into WWE wrestling. It was very cool.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I wish this was one of those times that we
were videoing on YouTube because people could see the concerned
or interested look I'm giving you. Please tell us, Sean,
how is Hulk Hogan influential in your life?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Well, let me tell you how he was influential on
my life.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I do have very defined casts he.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Was because he was the American hero. He was, he
was the guy that he was a hero and all
the wrestling matches and back in the day before it
was it was at the crossover point of of your
old WCW wrestlers, and then it got into the ws WWS.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
That's my glory those are my glory days.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
And and it was it was when they just before
I started to realize that it was entertainment and not
actual wrestling, and so it just it was it. I
always thought that it was real, but then it wasn't.
Plus th he had everybody else that was around at
that point. You had your Andrea the Giant, you had
your Sergeant Slaughter, Rowdy Roddy Rody, Roddy Piper. You had
(06:31):
all those characters.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
That very blackmail still around then.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Probably you know, I, me and g Oakerland was sitting
there just making sure everybody knew who was what was
going on right.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Right, What a great job he had, I remember. So
Hulk Hogan wasn't necessarily instrumental in my childhood. However, the
ww F slash moving into ww huge because I used
to watch wrestling with my dad and he would eat
cattaloup with a spoon, which I've never seen anybody do
in my adult life. Like everybody cuts candelope up, but
(07:02):
Dad ate it with a spoon and back then I
ate it also.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But we used to watch the Killer Bees, remember tag teams. Yes,
I mean that was the greatest thing.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yes, and the.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
British Bulldogs were the greatest, and.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Everybody like it wasn't it wasn't an episode?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Is that what they called them? An event? Sure, somebody
picked up one of.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Them brown metal folding chairs and whack somebody over the
head with it.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
It was, it was, It was the It was the
the epitome of entertainment in the day. Because you would
watch it, you would say, like it was real, right, Well,
have you it was? Have you ever put a figure
four or four leg lock on somebody? It hurts?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I haven't, but I would like to tell you.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
And I've done a sleeper hole too.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I accidentally did a sleeper hole to my ex husband.
His mom was very mad. That might have been the
beginning of the end.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
No, but I will tell you that the whole wrestling
real or fake thing st subject in the family because
my shout out to the X. Yeah, he was a
state champion wrestler and quite good, and his whole family
has been into wrestling, and so even My kids were
very involved in like spectating, spectating at wrestling events, and
(08:09):
they were like wrestling managers, and they know all about it,
and they know the difference between two points and one
point and all that kind of stuff single leg takedown
and shoot shooting. Yeah, anyway, so uh, I just wanted
to say that I do know the difference, and I
hope all of you know the difference because they're but
but but if you have a path in real wrestling,
(08:31):
some of those real wrestlers go on.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
There's a lot of the entertaining.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
For that, absolutely, because I think we can all agree
that watching guys roll around in single leads is not
very entertaining.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Well that's let's not let's not forget about the women
wrestlers because entertainment.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Godcha.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
But uh but yeah, so going up, I mean that's
I watched wrestling all the time. That was part of it,
and that it's it was along with that is I
would watch the Cosby Show, sure, and the Cosby Show
back in the day was the show to watch. Again,
we're talking before real there's a lot of cable and
everything else, so you only had your evening shows to watch.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
My favorite part of our conversation today about The Cosby Show.
We were trying to remember what years it aired, and
before I could google it, Sean mentioned that he used
to sell the very fashionable sweaters that were commonly the.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Coogie sweaters or Koogie depending on who you were. But
that's how I because when I was I don't know
if I mentioned this before, but I was top selling
men's sportswear salesperson at Bloomingdale's in they are the mid
nineties when it opened up at the Mall of America.
And part of the reason was because there was the
Coogie sweaters were part of in my department, and those
(09:48):
sold like hotcakes. And they're very expensive. Oh okay, so
that that helped out.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Did you yourself own one?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I did not mention they're expensive.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well I know, but you know you get a Bloomy's discount.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
I didn't. Yeah, that would have dropped him down from
three fifty to three ten and still expensive. But the
other and so the Cosby Show was on, and that
was again it was just the show that you watched
because it was really good. I liked the Cosby Show
because prior to that, Bill Cosby was one of my
favorite comedians of all time. I had at least three
(10:21):
albums that I would listen to constantly. And then he
had his show and I was like, this is the
Grece thing.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Ever, Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I'm glad that you brought that up because it feeds
into what we were originally going to do the podcast
on Fall from Grace, Right, what happens when you're idle
or not that Bill Cosby was your idol, but somebody
that you really respect.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Or entertaining, and it was it was great, it.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Was yes when they let you down.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Yes, I mean it's a yellow dude, Like.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Do you burn the albums?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean, it's already bought and paid for.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
But you know, I think it is a good point
to think about because it happens for us. Even more so,
I think think with athletics, right in professional sports, you've
cut these people up on these pedestals.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Of course, we can come to my theory on that
at some point. But and then they do something horrific.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Right now, what are you supposed to do? Like, for me,
I wash my hands of that person. I'm done.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
But the Bill Cosby thing obviously not a good human being. Right,
But how do I mean when you think of Doctor Huxtable, right,
the character he plays, So how do you separate a
beloved character with the man behind the curtains, so to speak?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And that happens, That happens, like because you brought up
how you'll watch a character and you'll go, they'll be
on a series, and then also that character gets killed
off and there's a there's a there's a sense of
loss because you have invested in that character.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Well, and for me, I think to your point that
when that happens, I'm more impacted than when I hear
that the actual person passed away. And this is something
that we were talking about, which was another angle that
the podcast was going to take, which it's kind of
our popeorie of podcasts, if you will, But this idea
that when a famous person or a celebrity passes away,
(12:14):
I'm not one to get all worked up about it.
I feel terrible for the loss of any human life.
I feel bad for their family and friends, but I
don't allow myself and I mean, this is just who
I am as a person. I don't put anyone up
on a pedestal. I feel like we all are inherently flawed,
and I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Elevate any life more than the next.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
So when somebody passes away, I think, oh, you know,
that's too bad. You know, they were a great actor.
I'm sure their family's really ripped up about it. But
when you see these elaborate displays and people crying, I'm
talking fans, and I just want to say to them,
have you ever had lunch with them or a cup
of coffee? Have you ever like, for all you know
they're I mean, especially in this day and age, they
could be a real creep. And then you're like all
(12:56):
sad about it, and I just think I feel like,
as a society, we have that so wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I think it's okay to feel bad for somebody, but
this elaborate emotion that comes like.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
What what's going on in your regular life that you
don't have those kind of connections with people. However, you
put me in my.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Place because it was like I did not, but you
did kind of because you said we were talking about
the characters, and I'm like, yeah, when they kill somebody
off that, I like, I do feel bad, but I
feel like I have a relationship. Now this is messed up,
but I feel like there's a relationship with that character.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
But with the actor or actress or celebrity, we don't
typically know them. All we know is whatever their Instagram
feed is showing.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Us, and that's that's And I wonder if for a
lot of people, the character is the person that they
are really mourning.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
And that's the part.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Where you get the smarty pants had because you're like, yeah,
but that's not what they're They're sad because you know,
and the.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
And really then passed away, right and the the Then
what makes it even worse is that I'm not I'm
not so much mourning that the person died. I'm mourning
that the person is no longer going to entertain me.
And then you're like and they're like, oh my god,
now what am I gonna? That was such a great if.
If a professional athlete dies in as prime, you know,
(14:19):
your your thought is, yeah, that sucks, but I mean,
how is he gonna lead us? Now? Who's gonna who's
gonna take over? Who's I mean? He was such a
good play.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Those are the things that's a human response, right, I mean,
obviously it's it's not a canine response.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
For me, it might be sub human, but we don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
But it is.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It is weird how people really, in my opinion, overreact
to the death of celebrities.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I agree, yes, and and again it's don't get me wrong.
There are people out there. There are artists, entertainers that
for some people, I mean, they were instrumental in who
they are are today. And maybe and it again, might
have never met the end of it the person before,
but maybe it's just their craft, their music. There's something
(15:08):
that hit them at a point where they needed something
and that person brought them there.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And that was the other smarty pants thing you said
on the lock, which is why we almost didn't do
this because you sound a little too smart. But the
reality is, yeah, I mean, certain times in your life
are marked by certain events and people and and so
if you're going through a particularly difficult time and you
find comfort and joy watching you know, Hulk Hogan, and
(15:36):
that brings you relief. Man, you know, now now maybe
you're sad about that. So now I'm like talking in
circles as usual.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
You are not talking in circles. We're just making sure
that everybody is We're giving everybody that they're fair due
when they're when they have a loss of a celebrity,
of an idol, of somebody. I mean, it affects everybody
in different ways. You and I just are on the
same side of Okay, it's I'm not going to you know,
go on vigil right.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I mean I can see tragic, Like when tragedy strikes people,
I think everybody thinks, well, that's awfully tragic.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
But again, I'm.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Far more concerned about the little boy that got hit
by a car in our school district a couple of
days ago and died. You know, Like I don't know
that family either, but boy, as a mother of you know,
children right in the area, I mean, this is a
family that we can make a difference with. And so
those types of situations pull up my heart strings more
than celebrities. Not that a celebrity life is worth any
(16:33):
less than any other life.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
It's just like I need that, I need a connection,
and typically for me, entertainment sports that isn't going to
be the connection.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And the connection that people have too. They're they're so
that they they fluctuate throughout that particular person's career. And
it's interesting how when we're when we're walking and talking,
we're talking about how there are if you look at
a celebrities life or even an athlete's life, it's a
(17:03):
lot of times it follows two distinct paths. One is
what could be three One is the first one is
they're just great through a whole life and they don't
have any issues, and everybody just goes, okay, what a
you know, stellar human being is refreshing, Yes, when that
happens once and forever, sadly, yeah. And then you have
you have those individuals which you know they might start
(17:23):
out great and then they stumble and something happens in
their life, accidents, they make a bad choice, and then
they spend the rest of their time trying to recover
from that, and they do a lot of times the
will recover, and then you look at the end of
their careers and say, you know what, great they had
a great career, a little issue here, but ultimately at
(17:45):
the end of it, full body work. Great. Then you
got the other ones, which you look at them and
they have this great career, everything is going great, and
then all of a sudden you find the skeletons.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, not even all of a sudden, It seems like
the skeletons are constantly jumping out of the closet.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And and you start and you see them and then
all of a sudden you have you can't recover from it.
The Bill Cosby one is one of them for me. O. J.
Simpson is one as well, and it's they just don't
recover again, I don't The Bill Cosby one does? Does
hurt me a little bit more because I did. That
was one that I like, I said, I grew up
(18:22):
listening to his comedy and thought it was all really
really good comedy. Was it was clean, it was funny.
I could relate to it. And now I'm looking back
at it going, oh, well, I can't really laugh at
Fat Cosby anymore?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Right, right?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
But you know who?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I wonder whether or not they'll recover because it has
been an interesting news week.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
But Albert not Fat Cosby. Well, because I got the
two of them confused, all right, it's fat Albert.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Well, you know the heat's getting to you too, yes,
or something?
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Speaking of being in the heat, what about that CEO
of astronomy Because here's the thing. I only have to
bring it up because you mentioned a fall from grace
and I would just like to publicly state to our
you know, listeners on every continent, however many you might
be today. I would just like to say his fall
(19:15):
from grace is no more worse or no better than
any other cheating scoundrel. And I'm glad he got caught.
But the fact that he happens to be in a
high profile position, who cares. If you're a jerk and
you're cheating on somebody. You're a jerk and you're cheating
on somebody, and I hope you get what you deserve.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
I think the it's just the way in which it
was he got caught was just it was spectacular.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Well yeah, and he is suing just so you know,
suing coldplay for I guess that I read the very
beginning of an article, so I haven't researched it.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
It was it nil thing. And then he's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I don't know, but I'm just saying like again, like
I'll hit. They're like, oh, what it was employees, And
I got news for you.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
The employees knew. Those types of things don't happen without
everyone knowing. Have you ever worked in an.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Office the But again, there's there's a there's a person
who is now a celebrity who didn't want to be
one but is one.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
And that's the antithesis of antithesis.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Antithesis, sorry, Cosby, So the antithesis of celebrity.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
What is the opposite? That would be no, no, because
well it's like famous or infamous.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Because you can be if you're if you're infamous, you're
still famous.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
So you're saying infamous doesn't exist as a word.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
It does exist as a word. But if you're infamous,
then if you have infamy, then you're famous.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I'm saying you can't really call him. I wouldn't call
him a celebrity. No, he's infamous, he is.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
No, I don't think that's a correct word of the
famous for something that he's Yes, so he's that.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Okay, you know what, right, Sean, I know he loves
your fan mail.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Let us know what word we should be using, because
our brains are pickled, it's been too hot.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
A celebrity would be the word the uncelebratory. I don't
know what.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
That seems wrong.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
But we didn't even touch on Ozzy Osbourne.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
But that's okay, Well we touched on him, but then
we got sidetracked.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
What animal it ate the head off of period?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
The right? And and Ozzy is his own character who
just was his own character.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
As the former heavy metal music director of a college
radio station, had plenty of exposure to Lack Sabbath.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
And were walking. As we're walking, I'm like, oh, yeah, see,
I wasn't so much a Sabbath guy as more of
a motley crew. And she had all those are hair bands.
She continues for the next five minutes, naming all the
hair bands from the eighties and nineties, and I was like, Wow, impressive.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
It's my party trick and go with this. It's been
another Curveball production.
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