June 25, 2025 • 23 mins
As promised, René and Shawn look into the state of legalized sports gambling, from the beginnings to the pros to the cons.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to another Curveball production Sunday evening recording. After a
very very full weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We did a lot of fun stuff. We got the
pool kitchen all set up and ready to go, ready
for visitors, got some flowers.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Planted finally felt like summer. Got a lot of yardwork
done yep. And a little bit of pool time yesterday
and some cleaning, and then today, very busy morning with
a very relaxing and fun afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
And I'm sure all of our listeners like to hear
about our fun time that we have.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Maybe not, but I'm so tired. If I sound tired.
It was the feel like temperature in Minneapolis this weekend
was like one hundred and five and we were outside
virtually all weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It was a great time. But so what we have
to do then is get you a little bit more
pumped up, a little bit more excited. Yes, let's go.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
If it weren't so late in the evening, I would
have had a coffee, but I was afraid it can
be up all night.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Enough about us, But what we're going to do today
is we are going to pay off a tease from
last week's episode.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Like what you did there with payoff.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, we see occasionally occasionally. I'm pretty good at this.
And you don't have to go back to last week's episode,
but please, if you didn't listen to it, please do.
We were talking about college sports and paying athletes all
and how that has taken a whole new gone to
a whole new level, and we teased that we would
(01:42):
then also discuss a little bit about sports gambling world.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Is like shout out to Dan Barrero, I kfan, because
clearly he was listening to our podcast last week, because
he talked about this very topic this week after we
said we would, and we know that Okay, he's really
not listening. But it is funny every time we bring
something up AI. I mean, I think we broke the
AI story, but we're never gonna get credit for that.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yes, it's it's okay though, I mean people again, imitation, grace,
form of flattery and all that stuff. And much like
last week's episode, if you go back and listen to it,
Renee said at the very beginning that she was not
going to really talk much because this was all on me.
Go and listen to the tape. So we're going to
(02:29):
we are going to get a little bit into sports
gambling because it's kind of taken not again, it has
really taken a turn. We've kind of we've had this,
We've had issues with the gambling in the past, but
we're seeing a lot more of just some of the
aftermath of what gambling has brought to the world of sports,
(02:53):
both college and professional.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And this isn't necessarily a pro or con regarding gambling. No,
this isn't a pro gambling or an anti gambling podcast.
It's just really more about Holy toledos. Some people are
pretty fired up when they lose a bet.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Believe it or not. There are people out there using
social media to get their angst out.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, people are using social media to get their angst
out about anything. But when it parlays, when it parlays
into college sports, we're talking about student athletes here, We're
talking about very very very young adults, right, so do
they have I mean, I think when we talk about entertainers,
(03:38):
we talk about Hollywood celebs, politicians, everybody kind of understands
that they're signing up for that public persona, right, and
they're going to be a little bit more open to
I mean, they shouldn't be harassed, but they understand it
kind of goes with the territory. But these college athletes
that find themselves as high profile athletes are definitely not
(04:01):
prepared for the angst that gets thrown their way if
they have a bad game.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So let's go back. Let's take the time machine, the
way back machine, if you will, okay, and we're going
to take you back to the year twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That's only seven years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well that's as far back as I can go. I
have a hard time remembering last week, much less twenty eighteen.
But that's why we have the interweb, that's true. So
in twenty eighteen, the Supreme Court came down with a
decision that overturned what was called the PASSPA, the Pro
and Amateur Sports Protection Act, And in essence, what that
(04:40):
did is that it's overturned that federal law which basically
made it legal for this It gave the states the
ability to legalize gambling on a state by state.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Basis for any sport, not to college, pro sports.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Just legalized gambling all sports, professional, amateur, whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Can you gamble on like Little league games?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Uh? Sure, I bet you could, Okay, I bet you could.
But so, starting in twenty eighteen states had the ability
to legalize gambling, which also then brought into the forefront
online gambling, which is really where the money is being
made with your draft kings and things like that and duel.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Hey yeah, I think this is a good time to
point out though, that sports betting is not legal in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
There are actually in the Midwest. Really the only states
that allow it are Iowa, and then if you consider
like Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan anyway, those states can, but Minnesota, Wisconsin,
North and South Dakota not legal they cannot.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yes, there's thirty eight states currently plus the Washington Washington,
d C. And Puerto Rico that do allow gambling, and
other states are pushing towards Yes. Minnesota has not been
able to get sports gambling legalized, having a lot to
do with the fact that it is legal to gamble
(06:14):
that the tribes have. You can bet when you're on
a reservation with the eleven tribes, and the eleven tribes
are trying to say, look, if there's going to be
legalized gambling, we have to have the control of it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
So ken is sports betting legalized on the reservations where
they have Okay, so sports betting is it legalized.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Only place it's legal to sports gamble in Minnesota are
at two different racetracks, and that is for off track
betting only.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And that's Canterbury Downs and Running Aces.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That is correct, and those two are also then fighting
for the ability to have gambling. So it's a whole
Messerschmidt in Minnesota as far as how to get gambling
eagle and the different in how what it's going to
look like. Still trying to get it done. But we digress.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I'm just totally distracted because you said messure Schmidt, which
is Jeremy Messer Smith is an artist that I like.
And now there's a song that after this podcast reminds
me to play for you fair.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Enough, maybe we'll do. It'll be our outro song by
messer Schmidt.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Anyway, take it away back to gambling.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Sorry, so anyway, anyway, So now we have this gambling
that's that's legal and has been legal now for a
number of years and just raking in a ton of money.
The states are getting some serious tax revenue from it. Sure,
I find it interesting that the majority of the states
that get this revenue they're using part of the revenue
(07:44):
to fund people for programs for people who have gambling problems.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Okay, so they're making so much money, they've got enough
that they can carve oute a little percentage to make
sure that they're helping people that are problematic with their gamble.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yes, I mean they get people.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Some cultures would say gambling in and of itself is problematic, correct,
Having said that, if you gamble responsibly, I guess then
that's an entertain form of entertainment.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Agreed. And that's where most people are at with it.
And and part of the thing, one of the things
that Minnesota is dealing with is that, you know, people
are still online gambling in Minnesota. It's just not legal.
And the state's looking at that, going, well, look at
all that revenue that we're missing out on, much like
they did with the marijuana, saying well, it might as
(08:32):
well legalize it because we're missing out and all this
money sure doesn't really doesn't really take into a how.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Does that work? I apologize if our listeners already know this,
So how can they gamble online if it is illegal
in Minnesota?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Basically through the bookies. There's there's sites out there where
there's where you can place money with bookies. That is,
that's legal in certain states, but not necessarily legal here.
And it goes on, so.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
It's not supposed to have, but there's kind of a
back door.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Now. Now, however, now, and you brought this up in
the last the last episode, I do my own form
of online gambling.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
You do with your fliff, With my fliff, I make
I make fun of your fliff all the time. So
Sean and and Shawn and Noah actually got Sean's mom
to even try this, So shout out to Michael. They
have a flip account where they can put all these
great bets in and some of them are parlays. This
is how I learned what a parlay was, right, And
(09:33):
because I am not a gambler, when I go to Vegas,
it's like twenty bucks for the four days that I'm there,
and that's my limit. So I'm a caution caution caussionists, cautionist,
No what is my anyway done? Anyway? But Sean and
the kids, when they were younger, of course, they were
doing this fliff betting, which is real betting. But each
(09:54):
day fliff gives you one dollar right or one.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Fliff if you if you run out of f if
then you can get one dollar back a starter dollar
if you will.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Oh, but it's pretend money. But it's not pret it's
kind of like model Monopoly money that you actually could
cash out. I could they let you play for free?
And I was like, hey, do they have ads or
like how are they making money? And Sean said they
make money because you can also put your own money
in and gamble, but you can't in Minnesota because that
(10:25):
would be illegal.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Right, So for me, it doesn't cost me anything. And
if I get over, if I have over fifty dollars
in my flip account, I can drive to Iowa and
I can cash out that fifty dollars and I get
fifty dollars and I have not put one dime into it.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Okay, So before we get any further, how much money
do you have in your flip account?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Currently? In my flip account, I have twenty one dollars
and twenty six cents. Not bad, not bad, And that's
and that's courtesy of the Minnesota Twins and a thirteen
game winning streak. They have not played well lately, and
believe it or not, I have not bet on them.
I saw this because I'm a smart gambler.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Gotcha, gotcha. But okay, so let's go back to the
threatening situation for these college athletes. Okay, you can talk
about and pro but for me, a mom, it's really
disturbing to me that these college athletes, these I'm gonna
call them kids. I understand that, you know, they're not
all technically children, but there are there's a serious problem
(11:27):
with us. I was reading that one in three high
profile student athletes receive abusive messages online. So these they
call them angry betters or angry gamblers. They take to
social media and they start attacking people, right, like, you know,
with terrible messages, threats to violence, death threats, as well as.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Just to their family members, right.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And it's like, so, you know, Johnny goes off to
play basketball and has a bad game, and next thing
you know, he's got death threat because angry betters, which
for some reason I like that better than angry gamblers.
But angry betters come after them online. And to the
fact that the nc double A has had to launch
this huge initiative to try to protect these athletes. They've
(12:15):
signed on with these data monitoring services. I think one
of them is called signify to try to shut this down,
to make sure that athletes are protected, primarily their mental health.
I don't know if there's any situation where someone has
been physically harmed. I guess I didn't encounter that in
my preparation, but certainly their mental health has been put
(12:38):
in jeopardy. And when you think about what's going on,
I mean, the NC DOUBLEA says, well, we're working on this, right,
We're educating our athletes, our coaches, our administrators. Okay, well
you're educating them. They're not the ones with the problem, correct,
you know, you're educating them to be aware of the
mental health implications of this. Maybe. I think you had
(13:00):
mentioned a lot of these players are getting off social
media just so that people don't have access, you know,
twenty four to seven access to harming them or causing them.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You know. And one of the things the states have
done specific to college sports is they have eliminated the
eliminated prop bets for college sports. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I think there was like eighteen of the states or
something have eliminated prop bets, which.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Is basically, if you're not familiar with, prop bets are
so you can bet on a team to win or lose.
But then you can also do these proposition bets, which
are you know, an athlete, a basketball player will score
x amount of points and you have over unders on
the number of points. While they've gotten rid of that
because they were A the players were getting more who
(13:49):
we were getting more threats because they were not performing.
And b especially before the athletes were being paid, there
was really this this feeling that an athlete would succumb
to any betters who would say, hey, I'll put a
ton of money on you to say his say say
an athlete basketball basketball players over under was twenty points
(14:13):
and a better came to that athlete and said, hey,
make sure you score under twenty points or either I'm
and if you do that then I'll give you a
chunk of money, or if you don't do that, then
you know I'm going to come after you. And then again,
these are kids and they weren't being paid, and so
(14:35):
they were they're more malleable.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Sure well, and the reality is, I mean, this is
big money we're talking about. We were reading that one
of the things that the NCAA did before the men's
and women's basketball tournament this year, the March Madness. If
you will. They launched an advertising campaign called Don't be
(14:59):
a Loser, and it was like, yeah, you you can lose,
your team can lose. We want you to be excited
about this, but don't be a loser by threatening people
and harassing people online. But three point one billion dollars
are gambled away if you will or bet in regards
to March Madness. And you said, because this was in
(15:19):
your article and not mine, that's twice as much money
as his bet on the Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean
that's a lot of pressure on these kids.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
It is, and and so so they got so basically
the prop bets are out in a lot of states,
which takes a little bit of pressure off them, but
at the same time they're still getting these threats because
if the team doesn't win, then they're going after these players. Again.
It's that that's part of the problem. It's it's gone
(15:48):
to the extreme of professional golfer. His name is Scotty Scheffler,
and he's so he he had his he had a
ven moo account and for some reason he put his
own name on the venmo account, so people knew that
he had won, which is first off, he shouldn't be
doing that. But what was happening was he not only
(16:12):
was receiving money from people when he golfed well, people
would venmo him money says a thank you, a tip,
a way to go, give you some extra money. But
he was also receiving requests for money from people who
lost money because he did not golf well. And that's
(16:32):
I mean people. That just doesn't make any sense to me.
I don't think if I lost money, I wouldn't be
going after whoever the golfer. But he had to shut
down his venmo account, He had to shut down all
of his social media stuff because he was getting people.
And this is this is not he said that. You know,
many golfers have this issue. Baseball players, professional baseball players.
(16:55):
Almost every single baseball player has received a threat or
a note or a message from somebody saying, hey, you
cost me money.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
And regarding back to college, didn't you say it was
like one hundred thousand student athletes have been impacted by this. Yes,
that's just insane. So next time we're at Buffalo Wild
Wings checking out a game, right or a number of games,
because they have so many television screens, there's probably somebody
next to us who's Craig Cray about yes, the game
(17:29):
and really stressed out about it and going to do
something alarming or harassing to a player or an athlete.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
O't do you think? Do you think they would be
more scared than your favorite chicken in Des Moines?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Really good point. And one might say that that chicken
in Des Moines was a gambler because I don't know
if you guys said this news story, but a couple
of weeks ago, a neighborhood hen showed up outside the
front door of a Buffalo wild wing, just walking back
and forth down in des Moines, Iowa. Nobody knew what
to do, so they called the Animal Rescue League of Iowa.
(18:13):
I love that they called it then the rescue League
instead of service or whatever. But yeah, so I don't know.
Somebody called and reported it and I don't And it
doesn't sound like anybody dropped the chicken off. To be funny,
it sounds like there's a farm field across the way
and the hen actually made its way across a somewhat
busy road and ended up.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It did the chicken across the road?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Well, that's the thing was I know you said maybe
he was going to visit a friend and I'm like,
well that would and then maybe his last known location
was his mom had him on Life three sixty. What
a disappoint Thankfully the chicken did not get into the
Buffalo Wild Wings because you know, this Animal Rescue League
(18:55):
picked it up and they haven't adopted out the chicken yet,
but it is being taken care of. But that's crazy
to me. It almost seems like like if I didn't
look it up and really research it, I didn't believe
you when you first told me.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Do they send Batman out to get the chicken? Is
Batman part of the Justice League? I don't know my
Justice League folk Superman? Is I believe?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I think I really bad at a.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Wonder Woman, Yeah, Wonderful Man.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, I think Justice League. I think it was the Hulk.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Possibly Superman.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I feel like Batman and Superman weren't in the same league,
but boy, now I'm gonna feel bad. Yeah, maybe they
were Batman and Robin.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
They had to be Stretch. What is his name?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Church, I'm strong. I don't think he was in it.
I thought he was just like an action figure.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
No, he was in one of the I think he
was in one of the Marvel, but I can't remember
what his name was. Now anyway, you.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Know who you're missing. My favorite the Winter Twin Powers
Winder twin powers form of an.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Eagle, shape of a pail of water?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Was that? And then like, what are you gonna do
with this eagle carrying a bucket of water? I don't know,
but somehow it worked, it did, and then they had
to look cute. What was the monkey's name?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's taking you too far back?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, sorry, anyway, boy, did we get off topic? But yeah,
so that's a lot about sports betting. So if you
do gamble on sports because you don't live in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Right, chill out. Well, yeah you shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
If you're that worked up about it, you probably shouldn't
have bet to be for.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
But again, a lot of this is coming in because
because on social media and a lot of these threats
are anonymous, because you can anonymously go after anybody you want.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, keyboard Warriors, it really it really should be that
if there should be no way to be anonymous online.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Oh and that's gonna be yet another tease for another
topic coming out.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Don't you think, Because if people act actually had.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
To have you're not teasing going into it right now.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Well, no, no, no, no, I'm just saying like, if people
actually had to have their actual picture, yes, and they
had their actual name, and anything that they said could
be verified by some source. I guess I don't know.
I just think people would be a lot less bold.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
They would a lot less bold.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Speaking of which, there is a hilarious commercial out right
now about catfishing and I can't even This is really
sad because I can't remember what the ad is for.
It's I feel like it's Samsung. I really do think
it's Samsung. But it's a grandma and she's talking to
her grandson and she says something about, yeah, well this
(21:46):
is my Tinder profile and it doesn't look anything like her.
I mean, she's like an eighteen year old tan hottie
in a bikini. And this grandma's like, you know, I
don't know, eight years old or whatever. And her grandson's like, Grandma,
what do you what are you talking about? She goes,
it's great, man, they send me money for doing just
about anything, and he's like, my grandmother's a catfish like this.
(22:09):
It was so I mean, obviously poking fun at something
that is a real problem, but it was pretty funny
and if she was so proud of herself that all
these people were falling for it, you know, and he's like, Okay,
this is just wrong on somebody levels. But I hope
at Samsung because that means the marketing team did a
good job. But I remember the advertising, so I.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Got to pay attention to ads to make sure we
get the right one, and we will do a full
retraction or correction on the next episode if in fact
it was not Samsung.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Right, and I don't even remember, I don't remember the
point of the ad. It had something to do with
legitimacy or something I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Anyway, that's so we are still potentially going to talk
about anonymity in social media on a future podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I think we should. Yeah, maybe not the next one.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
All right, the future one. Keep you guessing.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
This has been another Curveball production.
Welcome to another Curveball production Sunday evening recording. After a
very very full weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We did a lot of fun stuff. We got the
pool kitchen all set up and ready to go, ready
for visitors, got some flowers.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Planted finally felt like summer. Got a lot of yardwork
done yep. And a little bit of pool time yesterday
and some cleaning, and then today, very busy morning with
a very relaxing and fun afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
And I'm sure all of our listeners like to hear
about our fun time that we have.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Maybe not, but I'm so tired. If I sound tired.
It was the feel like temperature in Minneapolis this weekend
was like one hundred and five and we were outside
virtually all weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It was a great time. But so what we have
to do then is get you a little bit more
pumped up, a little bit more excited. Yes, let's go.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
If it weren't so late in the evening, I would
have had a coffee, but I was afraid it can
be up all night.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Enough about us, But what we're going to do today
is we are going to pay off a tease from
last week's episode.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Like what you did there with payoff.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, we see occasionally occasionally. I'm pretty good at this.
And you don't have to go back to last week's episode,
but please, if you didn't listen to it, please do.
We were talking about college sports and paying athletes all
and how that has taken a whole new gone to
a whole new level, and we teased that we would
(01:42):
then also discuss a little bit about sports gambling world.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Is like shout out to Dan Barrero, I kfan, because
clearly he was listening to our podcast last week, because
he talked about this very topic this week after we
said we would, and we know that Okay, he's really
not listening. But it is funny every time we bring
something up AI. I mean, I think we broke the
AI story, but we're never gonna get credit for that.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yes, it's it's okay though, I mean people again, imitation, grace,
form of flattery and all that stuff. And much like
last week's episode, if you go back and listen to it,
Renee said at the very beginning that she was not
going to really talk much because this was all on me.
Go and listen to the tape. So we're going to
(02:29):
we are going to get a little bit into sports
gambling because it's kind of taken not again, it has
really taken a turn. We've kind of we've had this,
We've had issues with the gambling in the past, but
we're seeing a lot more of just some of the
aftermath of what gambling has brought to the world of sports,
(02:53):
both college and professional.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And this isn't necessarily a pro or con regarding gambling. No,
this isn't a pro gambling or an anti gambling podcast.
It's just really more about Holy toledos. Some people are
pretty fired up when they lose a bet.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Believe it or not. There are people out there using
social media to get their angst out.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Well, people are using social media to get their angst
out about anything. But when it parlays, when it parlays
into college sports, we're talking about student athletes here, We're
talking about very very very young adults, right, so do
they have I mean, I think when we talk about entertainers,
(03:38):
we talk about Hollywood celebs, politicians, everybody kind of understands
that they're signing up for that public persona, right, and
they're going to be a little bit more open to
I mean, they shouldn't be harassed, but they understand it
kind of goes with the territory. But these college athletes
that find themselves as high profile athletes are definitely not
(04:01):
prepared for the angst that gets thrown their way if
they have a bad game.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
So let's go back. Let's take the time machine, the
way back machine, if you will, okay, and we're going
to take you back to the year twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That's only seven years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well that's as far back as I can go. I
have a hard time remembering last week, much less twenty eighteen.
But that's why we have the interweb, that's true. So
in twenty eighteen, the Supreme Court came down with a
decision that overturned what was called the PASSPA, the Pro
and Amateur Sports Protection Act, And in essence, what that
(04:40):
did is that it's overturned that federal law which basically
made it legal for this It gave the states the
ability to legalize gambling on a state by state.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Basis for any sport, not to college, pro sports.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Just legalized gambling all sports, professional, amateur, whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Can you gamble on like Little league games?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Uh? Sure, I bet you could, Okay, I bet you could.
But so, starting in twenty eighteen states had the ability
to legalize gambling, which also then brought into the forefront
online gambling, which is really where the money is being
made with your draft kings and things like that and duel.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Hey yeah, I think this is a good time to
point out though, that sports betting is not legal in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That is correct.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
There are actually in the Midwest. Really the only states
that allow it are Iowa, and then if you consider
like Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan anyway, those states can, but Minnesota, Wisconsin,
North and South Dakota not legal they cannot.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yes, there's thirty eight states currently plus the Washington Washington,
d C. And Puerto Rico that do allow gambling, and
other states are pushing towards Yes. Minnesota has not been
able to get sports gambling legalized, having a lot to
do with the fact that it is legal to gamble
(06:14):
that the tribes have. You can bet when you're on
a reservation with the eleven tribes, and the eleven tribes
are trying to say, look, if there's going to be
legalized gambling, we have to have the control of it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
So ken is sports betting legalized on the reservations where
they have Okay, so sports betting is it legalized.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Only place it's legal to sports gamble in Minnesota are
at two different racetracks, and that is for off track
betting only.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
And that's Canterbury Downs and Running Aces.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
That is correct, and those two are also then fighting
for the ability to have gambling. So it's a whole
Messerschmidt in Minnesota as far as how to get gambling
eagle and the different in how what it's going to
look like. Still trying to get it done. But we digress.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I'm just totally distracted because you said messure Schmidt, which
is Jeremy Messer Smith is an artist that I like.
And now there's a song that after this podcast reminds
me to play for you fair.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Enough, maybe we'll do. It'll be our outro song by
messer Schmidt.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Anyway, take it away back to gambling.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Sorry, so anyway, anyway, So now we have this gambling
that's that's legal and has been legal now for a
number of years and just raking in a ton of money.
The states are getting some serious tax revenue from it. Sure,
I find it interesting that the majority of the states
that get this revenue they're using part of the revenue
(07:44):
to fund people for programs for people who have gambling problems.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Okay, so they're making so much money, they've got enough
that they can carve oute a little percentage to make
sure that they're helping people that are problematic with their gamble.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yes, I mean they get people.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Some cultures would say gambling in and of itself is problematic, correct,
Having said that, if you gamble responsibly, I guess then
that's an entertain form of entertainment.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Agreed. And that's where most people are at with it.
And and part of the thing, one of the things
that Minnesota is dealing with is that, you know, people
are still online gambling in Minnesota. It's just not legal.
And the state's looking at that, going, well, look at
all that revenue that we're missing out on, much like
they did with the marijuana, saying well, it might as
(08:32):
well legalize it because we're missing out and all this
money sure doesn't really doesn't really take into a how.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Does that work? I apologize if our listeners already know this,
So how can they gamble online if it is illegal
in Minnesota?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Basically through the bookies. There's there's sites out there where
there's where you can place money with bookies. That is,
that's legal in certain states, but not necessarily legal here.
And it goes on, so.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
It's not supposed to have, but there's kind of a
back door.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Now. Now, however, now, and you brought this up in
the last the last episode, I do my own form
of online gambling.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
You do with your fliff, With my fliff, I make
I make fun of your fliff all the time. So
Sean and and Shawn and Noah actually got Sean's mom
to even try this, So shout out to Michael. They
have a flip account where they can put all these
great bets in and some of them are parlays. This
is how I learned what a parlay was, right, And
(09:33):
because I am not a gambler, when I go to Vegas,
it's like twenty bucks for the four days that I'm there,
and that's my limit. So I'm a caution caution caussionists, cautionist,
No what is my anyway done? Anyway? But Sean and
the kids, when they were younger, of course, they were
doing this fliff betting, which is real betting. But each
(09:54):
day fliff gives you one dollar right or one.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Fliff if you if you run out of f if
then you can get one dollar back a starter dollar
if you will.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Oh, but it's pretend money. But it's not pret it's
kind of like model Monopoly money that you actually could
cash out. I could they let you play for free?
And I was like, hey, do they have ads or
like how are they making money? And Sean said they
make money because you can also put your own money
in and gamble, but you can't in Minnesota because that
(10:25):
would be illegal.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Right, So for me, it doesn't cost me anything. And
if I get over, if I have over fifty dollars
in my flip account, I can drive to Iowa and
I can cash out that fifty dollars and I get
fifty dollars and I have not put one dime into it.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Okay, So before we get any further, how much money
do you have in your flip account?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Currently? In my flip account, I have twenty one dollars
and twenty six cents. Not bad, not bad, And that's
and that's courtesy of the Minnesota Twins and a thirteen
game winning streak. They have not played well lately, and
believe it or not, I have not bet on them.
I saw this because I'm a smart gambler.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Gotcha, gotcha. But okay, so let's go back to the
threatening situation for these college athletes. Okay, you can talk
about and pro but for me, a mom, it's really
disturbing to me that these college athletes, these I'm gonna
call them kids. I understand that, you know, they're not
all technically children, but there are there's a serious problem
(11:27):
with us. I was reading that one in three high
profile student athletes receive abusive messages online. So these they
call them angry betters or angry gamblers. They take to
social media and they start attacking people, right, like, you know,
with terrible messages, threats to violence, death threats, as well as.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Just to their family members, right.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And it's like, so, you know, Johnny goes off to
play basketball and has a bad game, and next thing
you know, he's got death threat because angry betters, which
for some reason I like that better than angry gamblers.
But angry betters come after them online. And to the
fact that the nc double A has had to launch
this huge initiative to try to protect these athletes. They've
(12:15):
signed on with these data monitoring services. I think one
of them is called signify to try to shut this down,
to make sure that athletes are protected, primarily their mental health.
I don't know if there's any situation where someone has
been physically harmed. I guess I didn't encounter that in
my preparation, but certainly their mental health has been put
(12:38):
in jeopardy. And when you think about what's going on,
I mean, the NC DOUBLEA says, well, we're working on this, right,
We're educating our athletes, our coaches, our administrators. Okay, well
you're educating them. They're not the ones with the problem, correct,
you know, you're educating them to be aware of the
mental health implications of this. Maybe. I think you had
(13:00):
mentioned a lot of these players are getting off social
media just so that people don't have access, you know,
twenty four to seven access to harming them or causing them.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
You know. And one of the things the states have
done specific to college sports is they have eliminated the
eliminated prop bets for college sports. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
I think there was like eighteen of the states or
something have eliminated prop bets, which.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Is basically, if you're not familiar with, prop bets are
so you can bet on a team to win or lose.
But then you can also do these proposition bets, which
are you know, an athlete, a basketball player will score
x amount of points and you have over unders on
the number of points. While they've gotten rid of that
because they were A the players were getting more who
(13:49):
we were getting more threats because they were not performing.
And b especially before the athletes were being paid, there
was really this this feeling that an athlete would succumb
to any betters who would say, hey, I'll put a
ton of money on you to say his say say
an athlete basketball basketball players over under was twenty points
(14:13):
and a better came to that athlete and said, hey,
make sure you score under twenty points or either I'm
and if you do that then I'll give you a
chunk of money, or if you don't do that, then
you know I'm going to come after you. And then again,
these are kids and they weren't being paid, and so
(14:35):
they were they're more malleable.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Sure well, and the reality is, I mean, this is
big money we're talking about. We were reading that one
of the things that the NCAA did before the men's
and women's basketball tournament this year, the March Madness. If
you will. They launched an advertising campaign called Don't be
(14:59):
a Loser, and it was like, yeah, you you can lose,
your team can lose. We want you to be excited
about this, but don't be a loser by threatening people
and harassing people online. But three point one billion dollars
are gambled away if you will or bet in regards
to March Madness. And you said, because this was in
(15:19):
your article and not mine, that's twice as much money
as his bet on the Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean
that's a lot of pressure on these kids.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
It is, and and so so they got so basically
the prop bets are out in a lot of states,
which takes a little bit of pressure off them, but
at the same time they're still getting these threats because
if the team doesn't win, then they're going after these players. Again.
It's that that's part of the problem. It's it's gone
(15:48):
to the extreme of professional golfer. His name is Scotty Scheffler,
and he's so he he had his he had a
ven moo account and for some reason he put his
own name on the venmo account, so people knew that
he had won, which is first off, he shouldn't be
doing that. But what was happening was he not only
(16:12):
was receiving money from people when he golfed well, people
would venmo him money says a thank you, a tip,
a way to go, give you some extra money. But
he was also receiving requests for money from people who
lost money because he did not golf well. And that's
(16:32):
I mean people. That just doesn't make any sense to me.
I don't think if I lost money, I wouldn't be
going after whoever the golfer. But he had to shut
down his venmo account, He had to shut down all
of his social media stuff because he was getting people.
And this is this is not he said that. You know,
many golfers have this issue. Baseball players, professional baseball players.
(16:55):
Almost every single baseball player has received a threat or
a note or a message from somebody saying, hey, you
cost me money.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
And regarding back to college, didn't you say it was
like one hundred thousand student athletes have been impacted by this. Yes,
that's just insane. So next time we're at Buffalo Wild
Wings checking out a game, right or a number of games,
because they have so many television screens, there's probably somebody
next to us who's Craig Cray about yes, the game
(17:29):
and really stressed out about it and going to do
something alarming or harassing to a player or an athlete.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
O't do you think? Do you think they would be
more scared than your favorite chicken in Des Moines?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Really good point. And one might say that that chicken
in Des Moines was a gambler because I don't know
if you guys said this news story, but a couple
of weeks ago, a neighborhood hen showed up outside the
front door of a Buffalo wild wing, just walking back
and forth down in des Moines, Iowa. Nobody knew what
to do, so they called the Animal Rescue League of Iowa.
(18:13):
I love that they called it then the rescue League
instead of service or whatever. But yeah, so I don't know.
Somebody called and reported it and I don't And it
doesn't sound like anybody dropped the chicken off. To be funny,
it sounds like there's a farm field across the way
and the hen actually made its way across a somewhat
busy road and ended up.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
It did the chicken across the road?
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Well, that's the thing was I know you said maybe
he was going to visit a friend and I'm like,
well that would and then maybe his last known location
was his mom had him on Life three sixty. What
a disappoint Thankfully the chicken did not get into the
Buffalo Wild Wings because you know, this Animal Rescue League
(18:55):
picked it up and they haven't adopted out the chicken yet,
but it is being taken care of. But that's crazy
to me. It almost seems like like if I didn't
look it up and really research it, I didn't believe
you when you first told me.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Do they send Batman out to get the chicken? Is
Batman part of the Justice League? I don't know my
Justice League folk Superman? Is I believe?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I think I really bad at a.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Wonder Woman, Yeah, Wonderful Man.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, I think Justice League. I think it was the Hulk.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Possibly Superman.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I feel like Batman and Superman weren't in the same league,
but boy, now I'm gonna feel bad. Yeah, maybe they
were Batman and Robin.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
They had to be Stretch. What is his name?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Church, I'm strong. I don't think he was in it.
I thought he was just like an action figure.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
No, he was in one of the I think he
was in one of the Marvel, but I can't remember
what his name was. Now anyway, you.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Know who you're missing. My favorite the Winter Twin Powers
Winder twin powers form of an.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Eagle, shape of a pail of water?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Was that? And then like, what are you gonna do
with this eagle carrying a bucket of water? I don't know,
but somehow it worked, it did, and then they had
to look cute. What was the monkey's name?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's taking you too far back?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, sorry, anyway, boy, did we get off topic? But yeah,
so that's a lot about sports betting. So if you
do gamble on sports because you don't live in Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Right, chill out. Well, yeah you shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
If you're that worked up about it, you probably shouldn't
have bet to be for.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
But again, a lot of this is coming in because
because on social media and a lot of these threats
are anonymous, because you can anonymously go after anybody you want.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, keyboard Warriors, it really it really should be that
if there should be no way to be anonymous online.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Oh and that's gonna be yet another tease for another
topic coming out.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Don't you think, Because if people act actually had.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
To have you're not teasing going into it right now.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Well, no, no, no, no, I'm just saying like, if people
actually had to have their actual picture, yes, and they
had their actual name, and anything that they said could
be verified by some source. I guess I don't know.
I just think people would be a lot less bold.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
They would a lot less bold.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Speaking of which, there is a hilarious commercial out right
now about catfishing and I can't even This is really
sad because I can't remember what the ad is for.
It's I feel like it's Samsung. I really do think
it's Samsung. But it's a grandma and she's talking to
her grandson and she says something about, yeah, well this
(21:46):
is my Tinder profile and it doesn't look anything like her.
I mean, she's like an eighteen year old tan hottie
in a bikini. And this grandma's like, you know, I
don't know, eight years old or whatever. And her grandson's like, Grandma,
what do you what are you talking about? She goes,
it's great, man, they send me money for doing just
about anything, and he's like, my grandmother's a catfish like this.
(22:09):
It was so I mean, obviously poking fun at something
that is a real problem, but it was pretty funny
and if she was so proud of herself that all
these people were falling for it, you know, and he's like, Okay,
this is just wrong on somebody levels. But I hope
at Samsung because that means the marketing team did a
good job. But I remember the advertising, so I.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Got to pay attention to ads to make sure we
get the right one, and we will do a full
retraction or correction on the next episode if in fact
it was not Samsung.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Right, and I don't even remember, I don't remember the
point of the ad. It had something to do with
legitimacy or something I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Anyway, that's so we are still potentially going to talk
about anonymity in social media on a future podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I think we should. Yeah, maybe not the next one.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
All right, the future one. Keep you guessing.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
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