April 1, 2025 • 36 mins
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Can you still testify or preach after a public 'fall from Grace'? Some people say "No!". The guys break it down. Also, Modern Worship vs. Hymns: what are the positives and negatives of each expression?
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Can you still testify or preach after a public 'fall from Grace'? Some people say "No!". The guys break it down. Also, Modern Worship vs. Hymns: what are the positives and negatives of each expression?
#joerogan #podcast #mensministry #christianliving #biblestudy #cussing #charliekirk #joerogan #jasonwhitlock #fearless #menshealth #christianliving #vincevaughn #timtebow #christianmotivation #churchmemes #mensministry #promiskeepers #timtebow #patrickbetdavid
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yo, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are going to get real about men's issues, who
Jesus is and who we are as men in Christ.
We're gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael, and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the cussin Christians. All right, guys,
what is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
The manager of the station join us. But just uh,
just happened.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I'm not just like every Christian organization we need.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
Yeah, yeah, but they're finishing their fundraiser. But I met
Eric and he'll be on the show with us at
some point. And people don't realize right here in Bervard
County we have an amazing Christian radio station and it
uh uh, it's evolved, it's changed a lot over the
past few years.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
They are teaming up with us for the Matthew West event.
Like you're we're all over the radio right now. But
with with our event going on. In their fundraiser, they're
giving a some tickets and VIP passes and things nice.
So the guys that are listening, we're kicking this off.
Go Blevard County saddle uh space Coast, go straight to
(01:11):
one O six point three and lock it lock it in.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Uh that that gang is great.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Their music is great, their messaging is awesome, right on
par and it's in our own backyard.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
We don't even know it's here.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
And so we would love their listenership to go up
because they had partnered with us in a big way
for this event, and then I was with them yesterday
for a possible event in the fall.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Nice and so Eric and the team are awesome.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
And now you're not going to get in over your
head again, are You're not? We're not selling out football stadium.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
No, not this time.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
We're gon.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
We're gonna we're going to keep it local. But twenty
twenty six, you ever can tell?
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Hey, I mean listen, I think with proper planning and prayer,
we can get anything. Yeah, but yeah we Uh that
last year got a little little zealous.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Well it gots zealous from the standpoint. I just stretched
myself way too thin, That's what I mean. I mean
it just I when November hit, I fell off. Have
y'all ever done that where you just you're mentally gone.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Well, I mean, listen, you threw three amazing concerts and
events we'll call them events. They all three were awesome.
I mean, there's no doubt that they were great. But
you're one guy with a bunch of half ass volunteers trying.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
They're all volunteer. Well, but we all got full time
day jobs.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Yes, I know, I know unfortunately that we can only
do so much.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
And then we you know, then you pull together all
the stuff you do with the church and then well yeah,
and then we took the the mission trip to.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Warz, Mexico.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Guys, the men's conference, it just fell off and we
have the calendar kind of plugged in. But there's one
that I'm still trying to plug in and it just
came from the heart. It won't be gigantic, and but
it'll be someone of amazing quality. I feel like their
music represents our ministry in a big way.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Very cool.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And Eric's Eric, Eric Allen from Hope one on six
point three is trying to help me out to get
that done.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Speaking of Christian music, have you guys seen and I
know I've sent it to you, so whether you opened
up it, I mean, I send you guys a lot
of stuff, so but especially you, I said you all
kind of stuff. Have you guys seen the transformation that
Jelly Roll's making right now?
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I've been on the outside of that, seeing clips of
different things.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I know there's a lot more.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
I don't follow him on like social and stuff, but
if someone if he's a part of someone else's I'll
catch him.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
But go ahead.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
No, I'd love to get him on here. I mean obviously,
but if Eric knows him or a way to get
to him, he's getting on. He literally I was listening
to him on a you know, as a clip. I
listened to a lot of like the clips right now,
and he was on another podcast and he was talking
about it and he was like, you know what, I
just I know I'm not perfect and figuring this whole
thing out, but the one thing I figured out is
that Jesus is the way, and he's going to get
(03:57):
me there. And I think I got the main thing down.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
That's cool.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
And now he's, uh, he's teamed up with I'll shoot
him at Blanklyn's name, but he just released it.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Was Brandon Lake.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, yeah, the praise song that they did together.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Yeah, And I mean he's going down to transformation and
I mean what a story that guy has. I mean
he's impact all day. Yeah, I mean yeah, drugs, gangs, prison,
So now you know top rated artist. Now he's taking
this the leap over into faith and I mean, wow.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
That you know that that that's so inspiring.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
And there's a lot of people that will discredit people
because of what they used to be. And and I'm
talking about Christians discrediting. I mean, you think about it
with our friend Toll Interrovision and and you know you
you know his podcast last week, they just should have
Should a pastor that had a moral failure ever be
(04:51):
allowed to come back to the stage and preach?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
And that's a hot, hot hot topic. Some people say never,
some people say never.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
Well, I gotta tell you I disagree with those people wholeheartedly.
And I'll welcome your emails. Yeah, I mean you failed
in your life at some point.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Everything what businesses jaiy Roll have good up on stage?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
If he had all that junk and and I'm looking
at it going, come on, dude, if Jesus says, or
we say, come as you are, and I think Jesus
would say that as well. He went to tax collector's
homes and set with prostitutes and things like that and
and and showed them the way and they were transformed.
(05:29):
Why can't someone that like a jelly roll or I
can't think of anybody better. I can't think of anybody
better to be a speaker at an event with that
type of background.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, because he was all into that former lifestyle, all right.
He lived it to the fullest. He experienced all of
that and now he's seeing the other side, you know,
a better way, and so yeah, he's definitely qualified to
testify what, yeah, what Jesus is doing in his life.
That's very cool to hear.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Well, that's the thing. And you hear so many people say, well,
do you have a divinity degree from X y Z
Bible College.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
No, I don't. I don't. And you guess what you know?
Speaker 5 (06:06):
I guess that the apostles went through Bible College walking
around with Jesus for three years.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
But I don't think they had a degree hanging on
their wall.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
They had the Holy Spirit to guide them, and they're
totally qualified to share the gospel.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Why do we do that, those Christians? Because I see
a lot of I grew up in the church, so
I've seen a lot of people over the years. It's
almost like we want to protect our status because we've
been holy for so long. Air quotes holy for so
long that if somebody else has a drastic transformation and
they come into the church, they're like, well they haven't
been to seminary. Well they haven't, you know, they haven't
done this with that, And so it's almost like we
keep them, we hold them out here like you're not
(06:39):
quite there yet.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Like my story, bro, go clean up a little bit
more and then give me a practice sermon. I want
to sit and you know, you put Jelly Roll on
a stage and he gives his redemption story. There's a
heck of a lot more people that can relate to
that sitting in that audience versus some pastor who never
any type.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Of realism in his life.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
It's always what you should have did a kinda gonna
do and he doesn't expose anything about himself. And I'll
take jelly Roll all day, man. I'll take tell the
introvision all day. I'll take John Lynch all day long.
When he told his story about what happened to him
when he was eight years old.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
That is horrific.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
And you know that, I'll take a pastor or someone
given the gospel of how Jesus got them passed that
every day of the week over some fancy.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Like there's a whole lot more guts to go out
there and say this is how flawed I was.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
I mean, and I'm not saying that poor things about
preachers because a lot of them just don't have that background. Now,
they were fortunate enough that God didn't put them through that,
And honestly, I think that sometimes that's because they couldn't
have handled it, right, I think that God knew that
they couldn't handle it, and they didn't give them that option.
I mean, because look at how many people that go
down those paths don't end up out.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Of it, and we need those people.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
But like, how much more guts does it take for
Jelly Roll or it takes for tools to get up
there and tell his story Intalian story? I mean, that's
that's brutal man, that's an embarrassing story, right, I mean
he has to like like Nate Larkin too, Nate Larkin. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
And now look, you know, and Nate said, if you
go and you watch his white chair video on I
Am second, he says, I thought my ministry was over,
and actually it had just begun.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
And now he's.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Got thousands and thousands of men across the country with
a Samson Society, and I've heard him speak several times,
and he's bringing the gospel like never before. And he
has a realism that that a lot of people don't
really relate to with the traditional, you know, box church
pastor type thing.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Well, let me ask you guys this now, this is
this one, like, get you some comments.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I get my wings out, hang on, don't give me a.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Popcor What about female preachers?
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Okay, that is a whole podcast.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
That is a whole separate podcast. But I mean, we're
talking about qualifications here.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
You're talking about qualifications, Paul you Priscilla. She preached in Timothy, Yes,
and it says and that a woman should never speak
over a man in church. So what's the context of that?
How did he say it? I see arguments on both sides.
I land kind of in the middle right now, because
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what if I had a daughter and she wanted to
go into ministry, They're not going to stop I don't
want to stop her from preaching what the Holy Spirit's
telling her on her heart, even if it's to a man.
That's just that's a personal, worldly way to look at it.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But I think anybody is obviously qualified to testify what
God's done. And I know that there are there are
women who do conferences for women, and I think, yeah,
they can. They can preach, they can get up in
front of people and testify and tell what they're learning
in the Word. But I think that's different than holding
the office of pastor. I think that's a whole different
(09:54):
thing in terms of authority and structure and that kind
of thing, and that I don't know if you want
to get into that or not, but that's I think
that's a whole different thing than preaching the saying, sister
so and so is going to come up and share this,
you know whatever, this revelation that God gave her. I
think that's different than holding the place of a pastor
in that role.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Yeah, And there's a lot of denominations that will put
a title of pastor on a woman today, the Episcopal Church,
the Methodist Church, there's there's several that do have women
that have the pastor in front of them. You get
into more of your calvinistic type type denominations. They're not
called pastors anymore. They're called directors or there and it's
(10:34):
it's a biblical interpretation of two to three verses or
two to three scriptures of the Bible, and it's a
dividing line, and you know where does it stop.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I read Paul's words of.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
You know, a woman should never talk over a man. Well,
there was something going on in that church, very much
something going on in that church. And if you read
the Book of Acts, you can see it. You can
see how it was out of control.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
The reason I asked the questions. We're talking about jelly rolling.
All the guys that you have these.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Pasts are they are they qualified?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
What about the woman that has that's just to being
a woman and maybe not have a past?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Is she just being a woman?
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:10):
I mean so I personally, I think anybody can get
up there and give a testimony and absolutely as long
as it's founded in faith, absolute holy Spirit. I mean,
some of my most revealing moments were when I didn't
know a thing about the Bible, right, I was figuring
it out, and man, the things that were coming to
life for me. Yeah, I didn't need scripture to tell
me what I was starting to feel inside. No, And
it wasn't that I was more educated, right, all of
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a sudden, it was something inside of me telling me
this is the way and everything else is kind of
working itself out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
This is why we get together to air these things out.
And then you know, we were going to be talking
about worship music today and the evolution and then what's
worship music really mean and what it's all about? And
the jelly roll piece you got you know, you got
guys like Zach Williams.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Man.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah, you know he's on the sex, drugs, rock and
roll lifestyle and he comes out of it and his
testimony leaves you in tears.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Man, when when he's he's preaching the word.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
You know, Mike Donahey was a preacher on that stage
last fall, you know, with us and look at look
at the apostles they were. Peter was a scumbag sometimes man.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
They were. Matthew was a tax collect.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Yeah, and what qualifies a tax fuctor to be getting
the gospel?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
What what qualifies it? You're about You're about to bring something.
But I was just going to say, let's flip the script.
Then what what would disqualify someone?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Well, I can see in a story like Nate or
Tillion where they had a moral failure, Hey, you need
to take a break.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Sure, you got to do some soul searching.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
We have a couple of pastor friends that need to
take a break, that needed to take a break, and
they did for whatever reason, whether they're burnt out, you know,
I've got there's a pastor that I'm not going to
mention names, but there's a pastor out of uh the
Dallas Fort Worth area who have a friend that went
to his church and this friend really struggled with anxiety
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and things, and he went to his pastor and said,
I don't know what to do about this anxiety. And
the pastor looked right at my friend and said, you
know how many xanaks I take a day as a
pastor of a large church. All the stresses and anxieties
and hearing other people's junk and all that is, whar's
you out right?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
And he goes, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
The law was written so the Levite priests could take
a year off every seven years for a reason. Sometimes
the pastor needs to step away to recoup, and if
they have a failure, hey, you got to get this straight.
You got to get your mind straight, and you need
to go to rehab whatever the thing is you need
to do, and then we'll slowly work you back in
and because people gravitate to you, they your message is
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biblically strong.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, well, I know you've got you've got a couple
of people that you want to have on the podcast.
But I think you're you're waiting to get to know
them better and to see if their message right is
congruent to the to the Gospel and to the Word.
And so I think not to get on the disqualified thing,
but but somebody has a conversion experience, we want to
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make sure that if they get up in front of
a bunch of people, what they're saying is going to
be biblically sounds, and that they're not just going to
go on hype and hype a bunch of people up
and steer them in the direction that's.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Not And that that's the whole let's bust through a
wall thing that you see so many minished men's ministries do.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
It's let's go celebrate our manhood.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And it's also it's also I mean there's a real
revival happening I think in sports, and we've seen that
with a lot of with a lot of athletes, but
I think sometimes still there's there's some guys get caught
up in the hype, and so they'll they'll they'll use
the name of God and they'll say some cool thing. Yeah,
you're right, But but does that mean that we should
now have them come speak to a bunch of You.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Know, absolutely, you need to, you need to vet, you
need to have an actual conversation with them and say, hey,
this is what we're trying to do with our ministry.
I've heard your story, how do you think it would
fit in? So absolutely, every time.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
We have a responsibility, right, you have a platform like ours,
or you have a platform like Impacts, you know, meetings
and the ends events like you have a responsibility and
being sure that what you're what's getting out there is
in line with what we believe, right, I mean, and
that it's a true story. It's not just somebody that's
seeking attention. And then you know, because there's a responsibility
to everyone else that shows up that we should be
(15:22):
doing that.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Like and you've done that. I know that you've you've
you've met with other pastors, You've you've really talked through
should we have this guy come speak or not? So
you've weighed on, you've weighed that in and you haven't.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I try to take it as serious as I can.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Right, Because you're right, Jeremy, there's a lot of responsibility
because you've got a lot of broken, hurting guys that
are coming that that hope maybe they want to hear
something that's going to encourage them. And if you've got
some dude who just either he just had a conversion
experience and doesn't really know much about the word, if
he's riding the gravy train of I want to thank
God for helping me win this game, and they just
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come in there and they start spouting off a bunch
of stuff it's not biblically sound, right, that that could
do some damage. So I do think that we need
to be discerning about who we let get up and talk.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Very much so.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
And I think a lot of the you know, Paul's
writings about the women in the church, that was what
was if you read the Book of Acts, that's what
was happening. And in Qrinth, yeah it was, it was happening,
and it was nonsense what was being said, and and uh,
but you know, I'm never going to disqualify a woman
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from giving the gospel, right, And you know, and each
church has got to decide on their leadership structure and
how to position it and all that, and you know
that's not a deal breaker for me in any stretch
of the word.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well, you know, I would I would be remiss if
I didn't, if I didn't mention my my mother in law.
She she preached and she's spoken in conferences around the
world and it was very impactful and effective. She had
a teaching ministry, you know, and wrote a book on
prayer and things like that. So you know, and my
wife also has a gift for teaching. And when we
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used to lead worship in the church here in town
that doesn't they don't have female preachers, female pastors, but
she would literally like preach from the keyboard, like in
between songs. It's like they didn't know, they didn't know
that they were getting that she she slid wanted, Oh yeah,
but she was. She was preaching the word while we
were going into the next song and kind of explaining
things and it was awesome and it was powerful. So
(17:24):
you know, i'm I'm I have it in my family.
Two very powerful women that were very knowledgeable and had
just powerful things to say, and it impacted a lot
of people.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
So, I mean, Jesus used women all the time. I mean,
and I think it was one of the things that
set him apart is that he would he gave him credit.
He gave him credit. Yeah, I mean it was you know,
and listen to have women be the ones that talked
about the tomb and all that. I mean, that's that
actually adds credibility to the story, because if you were
trying to set something up right, you don't use a.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Woman in that time, in that culture that was.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
That even gives it more credit ability in our mind
today that you know, look what, there was no way
a woman would be writing that down or or being
referred to in a position like that.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I mean, and look at Jesus he used. You know,
the guys he picked disciples, they were not great people,
I mean before him, I mean they really weren't.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
They weren't the elite. Yeah, by any means, right.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
I mean then you look at like all the people
that he saved along the way. He wasn't helping the
rich people. I mean, he was helping people that everybody
basically stepped over quite literally. I mean talking about the
guy at the at the spring, I mean literally people
were stepping over that guy's He was just trying to
touch the water and hopes being healed. And Jesus used
him and the next thing, you know, his ministry exploded. Yeah,
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because of the guy that everybody else stepped over.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Yeah, the bleeding woman, you think about it, the centurion's child,
that was a kind of high ranking Roman that was
that was a little more of a class.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
So that was higher.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
But most everyone else from the leper that's shunned, to
the bleeding woman to the guy at.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
The pool, which one's the bleeding woman.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
She's the one that touched him. She touched around them.
She's been bleeding for twelve years. And uh, if you
watch The Chosen, they did a great depiction of that.
They brought that to life in a powerful way. Because
in the in the scripture, it actually says Jesus felt
the power leave him.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
That's how powerful that moment was.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
It also talks about how she thought to herself, if
I can just touch the hem of his garment, touch that.
So it's like she already had, like she had this
measure of faith before she went in there. Somebody talked
about it at church a few weeks ago, how there
was a whole crowd and for this woman that they
knew was unclean, she was bleeding. She had to like,
she probably had to strategize, how am I going to
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sneak in there and do this because if they see
me coming, you know, the religous people are going to
probably push me away. So she was trying to figure
out how can I get up?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
If she was trying to find an angle. And I
was trying to tell that at the Men's conference, and
I'm glad you picked it up, but yeah, she's trying
to find a seam. I got to get through that
massive amount of bodies just to touch his, just to
touch him, and I'm not supposed to be within six
or eight feet of them because I'm bleeding, I'm not clean.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
That was some guts man.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I mean that just I mean to me that to
think about.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
She wasn't qualified and that's what she is now, and.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
How many people have come to Christ because of her story.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
I thought, you know, the woman at the well, so
we're talking about that. We might have a guest here
pretty soon that it was the woman at the well
in her life and doesn't take away her credibility at
all for Christ, not.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
One prior to even Christ. Right, Look who God has
chosen all along the way. Noah, he was a drunk.
You know that he was naked, naked, naked back in
that day, wasn't okay. I mean you had to send
his one son off to another land because you can't
see your dad naked. That's right, that's it's weird. But anyway,
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but then you got what who else?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
He got?
Speaker 6 (21:01):
David adulter, murderer. I mean, and he said he's the
man after God's own heart. Yeah, I mean all of them.
Take it with Samson.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Yeah, they they all had these flaws. They all had them.
And uh, you know Moses, Moses even got pissed off
and and and went against God's word.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
But he couldn't even go on the promise left.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, he got, he got. I always say he got
jipped on that man.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Man, all I did was hit the stick with the
with the stone with a stick. Now, you were supposed
to tell the stone to give water.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
It's interesting, though, that all of those men were chosen
by God, and he raised them up into you know,
these these.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Prominent pillars of ourn.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
They fell so so they had already seen his hand,
and they already expended all these miracles. And then and
even after all that, they still fell and God, God
was able to redeem him.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
But yeah, that thing about Adam man, he got to
stand next to the guy. Yeah, I mean him, and
you've got to see everything as good as it could
ever get.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
That's quiet time ever, best class, walking in the cool
of the evening with the Lord.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
I saw me the other day and it was a
picture of Adam talking to God and it was like,
I need a partner, and God says, It'll cast you
an arm and a leg, and he goes, what will
a rip give me?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I'm that's funny.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yeah, so bring me jelly roll, dude, bring him.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
How much is all this stuff like when you look
at your own life, right, I mean like I go
through different seasons. You guys go through seasons. I mean
all of a sudden, like yeah, you're high on God,
You're seeing what he's doing in your life. Things are
going well, and then all of a sudden you start
taking control again and start trying to like, hey, maybe
I can do this a little bit my way. You
give up the quiet time. It's things are getting busy.
I'll get back to it when I get to it.
Oh yeah, And I mean you fall off the wagon.
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It may not be you know, a fool on affair
and lose your family over it, but it could be
something else. I mean, whatever that distraction is, whatever the
idol is you're putting in front of you, that's taking
your eyes off.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
The prize distraction that the deceiver will put in front
of you. They come in any shapes, form, sizes, and colors.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Man.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I think it's just human nature that when things are
going well, we think we can do it ourselves. We
just rely on ourselves and so we're like, all right, God,
thanks for that. I'm gonna put you over here for
a little bit until I need you again. But right now, man,
I'm I'm cruising. And there's something about suffering that just
makes this hopefully we turn to him and don't blame
him for it.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Right.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
But yeah, that's why I love like Tolion's story or
Nate Larkin and some of these guys who I mean,
they'd hit pinnacles and were really high up, doing really well,
and they fall and now they've come back, And that's
why I think, that's why.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I gravitate to those folks. Over your random hope.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
There's hope for me. Yeah, I can't top that story.
But there's hope for me.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Well, and there's plenty of guys who have gone through
the same thing, but they didn't turn back to the Lord.
They deconstructed their faith, they've walked away from it.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
This is a good combo to have.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
I you know, you were talking about worship music though
that was the start of this, but you've probably lived
it much more than I did. But it's how some
of that music used to come out, you know, like
Skillet and some of these guys, and like you imagine
what some of those preachers were saying back then even now.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I mean some of them don't like that. No.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I was listening to you know, Christian rock, you know
res Band and Petro and all of that stuff in
the seventies and early eighties, and yeah, the holier than
now people didn't like it because they didn't think you
could use rock and roll to sing about Jesus. And
then you know, Striper came out and they had the
look like they looked like Motley Crue and all those bands. Yeah,
and there was there was a big thing about that,
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and I was all on their bandwagon still am. And
so I was bringing magazines to my youth pastor like, look, man,
they're speaking the word. Like these guys are you know,
they're for real?
Speaker 4 (24:33):
What was it?
Speaker 3 (24:33):
What was the youth pastor's respond He.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Read a bunch of the stuff and he says, well,
he says, I guess what they're saying is good. What
they're singing about is good. I just don't like the
music and I don't like the look. And that was
kind of it. But they've stood firm and they still
throw bibles out at their concerts and they still testify,
you know, to the Lord. But but yeah, I mean
back then, I think we'll get into this when when
Eric comes. But seventies and eighties, it's like worship music
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was over here, like, you know, we were still doing
a lot of hymns, some Hoseana integrity stuff, and then
popular Christian music was over here, like completely different different worlds.
And now they're they're merged a lot. There's a lot
of popular songs that are also worship songs.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
A lot of artists cross over from one to the other. Yeah,
it's cool, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I just think back when people are writing hymns, they
weren't getting famous for it. They weren't getting paid for it,
So they were just writing out of, you know, whatever
their experience with the Lord. I mean, those things are
very rich theologically. Now there's there's a whole industry of
worship music and people are writing, they're trying to write
the next waymaker, They're trying to you know, write the
next hit. And so I don't know, I think there's
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there's probably pressure there to do that, but it's it's
a tough thing to discern. But I mean there's there's
a ton of those songs out there that we love,
that we do and love to listen to. So I'm
grateful that there's that, there's that there's an abundance of
great worship and Christian music songs out there.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Now.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
I got to tell you, man, whenever I'm feeling down
and like I'm just like trying to figure it out
and life's just not really working, and you know, I've
gone through a really long season lately, We're I'm trying
to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
You know.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
First thing I'll do, especially on the airplane, is I'll
throw on Zach Williams, or I'll throw on you know,
Matthew West or one of these guys and just start
listening to and it's because I don't.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
I don't want to sit there and listen to a
hymn on an airplane.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
They suck.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
I remember being in elementary school. I went to a
private Lutheran school, and we had to learn how to
read music so we could sing the hymns in the church.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
You had to learn how to read music.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
M They taught us like how we know all those
what all the notes were, and all that stuff so
you could Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
We had Yeah, we we had the hymn books and
we would do I remember the hymn books and whenever
I saw the dot go up, I had to raise
my voice.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Whenever I saw it going back down, I had to
lower my voice.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yeah, for a second.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
For some reason, we never did the third stanza, like
every hymn had fourth.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
That's true. We never did everything I was to do for.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
A second and fourth for some reason. Yeah. Yeah, it
was funny.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
They were picking which pieces they liked to the hymns.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
I remember that too, because it always said in the
program verse one, three and five, whatever it is, and
I always screwed it up.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah No, But I mean hims were great for what
a couple hundred years and then seventies, eighties, nineties there
was like a new wave of worship music and worship
music writers that came out, and it's just transformed into
something much.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
You know, I got a conrofession.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
To make, you know, I I I there was a
time when I walked out of churches because of the
worship music. I was so used to rock and roll,
the old and I went, this is a stage show
with you know, lights and smoke. I'm going to a
kiss concert without the face paint. And I didn't start
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appreciating it probably til the last fifteen years of my life,
like last fifteen years of now, you know. And there's
fifteen years ago when I first walked into like an
actual worship service.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I went, I'm highly uncomfortable in here. We're resistant to
change and something different. Yeah, I've often wondered, what, like
what I don't know worship twenty years from now, what
would it take for me to have that attitude, you know,
towards whatever the new the new style of worship is,
Like what would it take? Because like right now, I
feel like I'm fairly open minded about this. I can
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embrace it as long as it's you know, done right theologically,
and it's focusing on him and not on other stuff.
I can get on board with it. But but you know,
we went to a church here in town where they
had a contemporary service and then they had a traditional
service because there were enough older folks there that they
had has stood up. But those there were some people
(28:37):
they wouldn't stand up unless you're doing to him, like
if you're doing you know, I can sing of your
Love forever or you know, you know great like a
great contemporary worship song. If it wasn't him, they wouldn't
stand up. And so it's like, oh yeah, So I'm like,
could I ever get like that? What would it take
for me to be that interesting? You know, that closed
off to say no, this this new worship isn't right,
(28:58):
like I'm just gonna I'm gonna sit here, I'm gonna
leave the church or whatever it is. Because they were there,
you know, we were playing in the in the bands
when this whole modern worship thing was was forming, and
so we we felt we felt the conflict. And then
when we started going to church, like they were unapologetically
like this is the style of music we do, and
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it was so much easier to do it there. There
wasn't that that resistance that you felt most of the time.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
It's I'm going to I'm visiting a church for some
reason or and I still kind of like the old
old church choir stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
That's one thing. How many churches actually have choirs anymore?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Yeah, church choir, I think is different.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Yeah, when you know, I was visiting a church yesterday
and they have a new sanctuary auditorium thing, and you know,
they had forty seats behind at the back of the
stage for their their acchore to to be there, and I'm.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Going I kind of missed that. That's kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I think I think it's great. I think some churches
should should keep it alive. My mom still sings and
heard church choir in Tulsa, and I'm kind of sad
to see choirs in orchestra and those kind of things
go away. Me too, because there was a big church
here in town that they did away with theirs five
or six years ago, and we were there when it
was still orchestra and choir, and it was awesome, it
was powerful.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
It was great.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, I don't think it's good that all of that
just dies out because it's easier to do a band.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Let me ask you this, do the with the worship music?
Do participants sing more or less than the old hymns?
Speaker 4 (30:34):
What do you mean?
Speaker 5 (30:36):
I just in a worship full worship experience, I see
the younger crowd kind of singing, but I see a
lot of others their mouths aren't opening at all.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Yeah, my wife doesn't sing, yeah, and I don't, but
I don't know that I heard her sing at the
service we were at either, So I can't say that
she's sing either way.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
But no, I mean I don't know. I mean I
sing yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Well, a lot of the songs are written out to
be easier to sing, be repetitive because the hymns there
was no repetition, Like there was four verses of like
completely different words and you had to like think about
what you were singing. And a lot of the modern
worship is repetitive. You can catch on to it, even
if you've heard it only twice. You can catch onto
it and so along with it. And I think that's intentional,
(31:20):
but I think it all goes back to people's hearts,
whether you're doing old hymns or modern stuff. If your
heart is to glorify the Lord. Then that's the main thing,
and sometimes you can I mean we have sensed it
just being a different churches. If it's a big show,
it's opposed to it. And it doesn't all have to
do with lights and smoke, because we've been in churches
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where it works. That's the personality of the church. Those
people are gifted to do that. I mean, there's creative
people who are gifted with sound and lighting and staging.
Are they not allowed to do that in the church
because somebody's going to think it's a rock concert? I mean,
can they only do it in the world?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah? Well, think about David.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
I mean one of the ways I'm watching this series
on Primary, it's about the House of David. It's about
his story from a kid up and it's it's really good.
By the way, I need to look into biblically how
accurate it is.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
I'm reading along with it right now.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Are you're pretty accurate so far? Well?
Speaker 5 (32:11):
I mean they do a lot of backfill, like the
Chosen does to try to tell the story. But you know,
him playing that's not a hardpiece. It's a liar l
y are you him playing for King Saul that was
that's in, that's there.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
So, by the way, how badass is he that he
went and killed that lion? Yeah, yeah, he went in
and did it, which I didn't.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
And he's a scrawny kid right now. Oh yeah, he's
just a scrawny kid.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
I didn't realize when, you know, when they said lion,
in my head, I was picturing like mountain lions because
that the mountains around Israel and stuff. I didn't realize
these are like full on bearded, like African lions that
were in Israel at that point in time.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I guess, uh, you know, Africa is connected Israel. They
can find a way to get Yeah, these these were
real lions like I've never in my life. When they
said Jesus is the line of Judah, I just was thinking,
like they knew what a lion was, or that was
the mountain lion of Judah or mountain lion mountain you
know whatever, I mean, the black panther of Judah.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
But I looked it up.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
I was like, man, like, are they just making some
like you know, cinematic you know whatever, you know, liberties
and no, they had real lions.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Like so when he killed a lion. It was a
real line, like I.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Think, But I think the cinematic liberty is when the
whole thing with his mom and his mom like protecting
him from the line because there's nothing in scripture about that.
They don't really talk about it.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
His mom is so I one derived his name from
another writing, sure, instead of his mom's name from another writing.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But so it's an interesting twist to tell the story.
And some people are really uptied about that because they're like, well,
that wasn't scriptural, So I'm going to discount the whole show.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
There's still something about watching a well depicted some of
these Bible stories that still be very pactful and make
you think about things that maybe you didn't think about
when you read it in scripture. So I think there's
value in that.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Like you said, they have a disclaimer at the beginning,
saying all right, guys, look we're doing we're being as
historically and biblically actor as can, but we're taking liberties
because we got to fill in the backstory.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
So because you know, the church people get upset church.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
That is funny, man, here this conversation, right, we're talking
about jelly roll. We're talking about music, and we're talking
about you know, David and the you know, these these
pictures that are being filmed and you know got and
people get so upset, oh man, at this little crap
and they just forget what the real point is like.
(34:38):
And I just that's the piece like when it comes
to music or it comes to jelly roll in these stories,
like are we forgetting what the actual what the main
thing is?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
What do you do?
Speaker 5 (34:48):
We we missed the forest for the trees, bro, Yeah,
we miss it. Good stuff, all right. Matthew Wes May
thirty first, speaking of worship music. He has a story
and he preaches and has a great message. We hope
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You can get tickets at Kingcenter dot com. Go to
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Speaker 4 (36:02):
We'd love to see it.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
All right, guys, we will get together again next week
just for this great banter and getting a little bit
closer to understanding who we are as Christian men in
this world so we can make a difference. I'm Trade,
I'm Brad, I'm Jeremy, and Michael Thomas is gone.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
We love you man.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
We are the He's in the foothills of Kentucky, Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
It's gonna be one more full week.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
And look, that's crazy, a lot of damage up there,
but he's doing a lot of Lord's work.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
He can We need to We need to get him.
We should catch him.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
In Yeah, we do not. We actually need to do
that at some point that we talked about
Yo, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are going to get real about men's issues, who
Jesus is and who we are as men in Christ.
We're gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael, and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the cussin Christians. All right, guys,
what is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
The manager of the station join us. But just uh,
just happened.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
I'm not just like every Christian organization we need.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
Yeah, yeah, but they're finishing their fundraiser. But I met
Eric and he'll be on the show with us at
some point. And people don't realize right here in Bervard
County we have an amazing Christian radio station and it
uh uh, it's evolved, it's changed a lot over the
past few years.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
They are teaming up with us for the Matthew West event.
Like you're we're all over the radio right now. But
with with our event going on. In their fundraiser, they're
giving a some tickets and VIP passes and things nice.
So the guys that are listening, we're kicking this off.
Go Blevard County saddle uh space Coast, go straight to
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one O six point three and lock it lock it in.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Uh that that gang is great.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Their music is great, their messaging is awesome, right on
par and it's in our own backyard.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
We don't even know it's here.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
And so we would love their listenership to go up
because they had partnered with us in a big way
for this event, and then I was with them yesterday
for a possible event in the fall.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Nice and so Eric and the team are awesome.
Speaker 6 (01:38):
And now you're not going to get in over your
head again, are You're not? We're not selling out football stadium.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
No, not this time.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
We're gon.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
We're gonna we're going to keep it local. But twenty
twenty six, you ever can tell?
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Hey, I mean listen, I think with proper planning and prayer,
we can get anything. Yeah, but yeah we Uh that
last year got a little little zealous.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Well it gots zealous from the standpoint. I just stretched
myself way too thin, That's what I mean. I mean
it just I when November hit, I fell off. Have
y'all ever done that where you just you're mentally gone.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
Well, I mean, listen, you threw three amazing concerts and
events we'll call them events. They all three were awesome.
I mean, there's no doubt that they were great. But
you're one guy with a bunch of half ass volunteers trying.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
They're all volunteer. Well, but we all got full time
day jobs.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Yes, I know, I know unfortunately that we can only
do so much.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
And then we you know, then you pull together all
the stuff you do with the church and then well yeah,
and then we took the the mission trip to.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Warz, Mexico.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Guys, the men's conference, it just fell off and we
have the calendar kind of plugged in. But there's one
that I'm still trying to plug in and it just
came from the heart. It won't be gigantic, and but
it'll be someone of amazing quality. I feel like their
music represents our ministry in a big way.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Very cool.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
And Eric's Eric, Eric Allen from Hope one on six
point three is trying to help me out to get
that done.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
Speaking of Christian music, have you guys seen and I
know I've sent it to you, so whether you opened
up it, I mean, I send you guys a lot
of stuff, so but especially you, I said you all
kind of stuff. Have you guys seen the transformation that
Jelly Roll's making right now?
Speaker 5 (03:22):
I've been on the outside of that, seeing clips of
different things.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I know there's a lot more.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
I don't follow him on like social and stuff, but
if someone if he's a part of someone else's I'll
catch him.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
But go ahead.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
No, I'd love to get him on here. I mean obviously,
but if Eric knows him or a way to get
to him, he's getting on. He literally I was listening
to him on a you know, as a clip. I
listened to a lot of like the clips right now,
and he was on another podcast and he was talking
about it and he was like, you know what, I
just I know I'm not perfect and figuring this whole
thing out, but the one thing I figured out is
that Jesus is the way, and he's going to get
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me there. And I think I got the main thing down.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
That's cool.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
And now he's, uh, he's teamed up with I'll shoot
him at Blanklyn's name, but he just released it.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Was Brandon Lake.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, yeah, the praise song that they did together.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Yeah, And I mean he's going down to transformation and
I mean what a story that guy has. I mean
he's impact all day. Yeah, I mean yeah, drugs, gangs, prison,
So now you know top rated artist. Now he's taking
this the leap over into faith and I mean, wow.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
That you know that that that's so inspiring.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
And there's a lot of people that will discredit people
because of what they used to be. And and I'm
talking about Christians discrediting. I mean, you think about it
with our friend Toll Interrovision and and you know you
you know his podcast last week, they just should have
Should a pastor that had a moral failure ever be
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allowed to come back to the stage and preach?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
And that's a hot, hot hot topic. Some people say never,
some people say never.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
Well, I gotta tell you I disagree with those people wholeheartedly.
And I'll welcome your emails. Yeah, I mean you failed
in your life at some point.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Everything what businesses jaiy Roll have good up on stage?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
If he had all that junk and and I'm looking
at it going, come on, dude, if Jesus says, or
we say, come as you are, and I think Jesus
would say that as well. He went to tax collector's
homes and set with prostitutes and things like that and
and and showed them the way and they were transformed.
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Why can't someone that like a jelly roll or I
can't think of anybody better. I can't think of anybody
better to be a speaker at an event with that
type of background.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, because he was all into that former lifestyle, all right.
He lived it to the fullest. He experienced all of
that and now he's seeing the other side, you know,
a better way, and so yeah, he's definitely qualified to
testify what, yeah, what Jesus is doing in his life.
That's very cool to hear.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Well, that's the thing. And you hear so many people say, well,
do you have a divinity degree from X y Z
Bible College.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
No, I don't. I don't. And you guess what you know?
Speaker 5 (06:06):
I guess that the apostles went through Bible College walking
around with Jesus for three years.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
But I don't think they had a degree hanging on
their wall.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
They had the Holy Spirit to guide them, and they're
totally qualified to share the gospel.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Why do we do that, those Christians? Because I see
a lot of I grew up in the church, so
I've seen a lot of people over the years. It's
almost like we want to protect our status because we've
been holy for so long. Air quotes holy for so
long that if somebody else has a drastic transformation and
they come into the church, they're like, well they haven't
been to seminary. Well they haven't, you know, they haven't
done this with that, And so it's almost like we
keep them, we hold them out here like you're not
(06:39):
quite there yet.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
Like my story, bro, go clean up a little bit
more and then give me a practice sermon. I want
to sit and you know, you put Jelly Roll on
a stage and he gives his redemption story. There's a
heck of a lot more people that can relate to
that sitting in that audience versus some pastor who never
any type.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Of realism in his life.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
It's always what you should have did a kinda gonna
do and he doesn't expose anything about himself. And I'll
take jelly Roll all day, man. I'll take tell the
introvision all day. I'll take John Lynch all day long.
When he told his story about what happened to him
when he was eight years old.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
That is horrific.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
And you know that, I'll take a pastor or someone
given the gospel of how Jesus got them passed that
every day of the week over some fancy.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Like there's a whole lot more guts to go out
there and say this is how flawed I was.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
I mean, and I'm not saying that poor things about
preachers because a lot of them just don't have that background. Now,
they were fortunate enough that God didn't put them through that,
And honestly, I think that sometimes that's because they couldn't
have handled it, right, I think that God knew that
they couldn't handle it, and they didn't give them that option.
I mean, because look at how many people that go
down those paths don't end up out.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Of it, and we need those people.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
But like, how much more guts does it take for
Jelly Roll or it takes for tools to get up
there and tell his story Intalian story? I mean, that's
that's brutal man, that's an embarrassing story, right, I mean
he has to like like Nate Larkin too, Nate Larkin. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
And now look, you know, and Nate said, if you
go and you watch his white chair video on I
Am second, he says, I thought my ministry was over,
and actually it had just begun.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
And now he's.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Got thousands and thousands of men across the country with
a Samson Society, and I've heard him speak several times,
and he's bringing the gospel like never before. And he
has a realism that that a lot of people don't
really relate to with the traditional, you know, box church
pastor type thing.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Well, let me ask you guys this now, this is
this one, like, get you some comments.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I get my wings out, hang on, don't give me a.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Popcor What about female preachers?
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Okay, that is a whole podcast.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
That is a whole separate podcast. But I mean, we're
talking about qualifications here.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
You're talking about qualifications, Paul you Priscilla. She preached in Timothy, Yes,
and it says and that a woman should never speak
over a man in church. So what's the context of that?
How did he say it? I see arguments on both sides.
I land kind of in the middle right now, because
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what if I had a daughter and she wanted to
go into ministry, They're not going to stop I don't
want to stop her from preaching what the Holy Spirit's
telling her on her heart, even if it's to a man.
That's just that's a personal, worldly way to look at it.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
But I think anybody is obviously qualified to testify what
God's done. And I know that there are there are
women who do conferences for women, and I think, yeah,
they can. They can preach, they can get up in
front of people and testify and tell what they're learning
in the Word. But I think that's different than holding
the office of pastor. I think that's a whole different
(09:54):
thing in terms of authority and structure and that kind
of thing, and that I don't know if you want
to get into that or not, but that's I think
that's a whole different thing than preaching the saying, sister
so and so is going to come up and share this,
you know whatever, this revelation that God gave her. I
think that's different than holding the place of a pastor
in that role.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Yeah, And there's a lot of denominations that will put
a title of pastor on a woman today, the Episcopal Church,
the Methodist Church, there's there's several that do have women
that have the pastor in front of them. You get
into more of your calvinistic type type denominations. They're not
called pastors anymore. They're called directors or there and it's
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it's a biblical interpretation of two to three verses or
two to three scriptures of the Bible, and it's a
dividing line, and you know where does it stop.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I read Paul's words of.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
You know, a woman should never talk over a man. Well,
there was something going on in that church, very much
something going on in that church. And if you read
the Book of Acts, you can see it. You can
see how it was out of control.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
The reason I asked the questions. We're talking about jelly rolling.
All the guys that you have these.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Pasts are they are they qualified?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
What about the woman that has that's just to being
a woman and maybe not have a past?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Is she just being a woman?
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (11:10):
I mean so I personally, I think anybody can get
up there and give a testimony and absolutely as long
as it's founded in faith, absolute holy Spirit. I mean,
some of my most revealing moments were when I didn't
know a thing about the Bible, right, I was figuring
it out, and man, the things that were coming to
life for me. Yeah, I didn't need scripture to tell
me what I was starting to feel inside. No, And
it wasn't that I was more educated, right, all of
(11:32):
a sudden, it was something inside of me telling me
this is the way and everything else is kind of
working itself out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
This is why we get together to air these things out.
And then you know, we were going to be talking
about worship music today and the evolution and then what's
worship music really mean and what it's all about? And
the jelly roll piece you got you know, you got
guys like Zach Williams.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Man.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yeah, you know he's on the sex, drugs, rock and
roll lifestyle and he comes out of it and his
testimony leaves you in tears.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Man, when when he's he's preaching the word.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
You know, Mike Donahey was a preacher on that stage
last fall, you know, with us and look at look
at the apostles they were. Peter was a scumbag sometimes man.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
They were. Matthew was a tax collect.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Yeah, and what qualifies a tax fuctor to be getting
the gospel?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
What what qualifies it? You're about You're about to bring something.
But I was just going to say, let's flip the script.
Then what what would disqualify someone?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
Well, I can see in a story like Nate or
Tillion where they had a moral failure, Hey, you need
to take a break.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
Sure, you got to do some soul searching.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
We have a couple of pastor friends that need to
take a break, that needed to take a break, and
they did for whatever reason, whether they're burnt out, you know,
I've got there's a pastor that I'm not going to
mention names, but there's a pastor out of uh the
Dallas Fort Worth area who have a friend that went
to his church and this friend really struggled with anxiety
(13:04):
and things, and he went to his pastor and said,
I don't know what to do about this anxiety. And
the pastor looked right at my friend and said, you
know how many xanaks I take a day as a
pastor of a large church. All the stresses and anxieties
and hearing other people's junk and all that is, whar's
you out right?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
And he goes, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
The law was written so the Levite priests could take
a year off every seven years for a reason. Sometimes
the pastor needs to step away to recoup, and if
they have a failure, hey, you got to get this straight.
You got to get your mind straight, and you need
to go to rehab whatever the thing is you need
to do, and then we'll slowly work you back in
and because people gravitate to you, they your message is
(13:50):
biblically strong.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, well, I know you've got you've got a couple
of people that you want to have on the podcast.
But I think you're you're waiting to get to know
them better and to see if their message right is
congruent to the to the Gospel and to the Word.
And so I think not to get on the disqualified thing,
but but somebody has a conversion experience, we want to
(14:12):
make sure that if they get up in front of
a bunch of people, what they're saying is going to
be biblically sounds, and that they're not just going to
go on hype and hype a bunch of people up
and steer them in the direction that's.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Not And that that's the whole let's bust through a
wall thing that you see so many minished men's ministries do.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
It's let's go celebrate our manhood.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
And it's also it's also I mean there's a real
revival happening I think in sports, and we've seen that
with a lot of with a lot of athletes, but
I think sometimes still there's there's some guys get caught
up in the hype, and so they'll they'll they'll use
the name of God and they'll say some cool thing. Yeah,
you're right, But but does that mean that we should
now have them come speak to a bunch of You.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Know, absolutely, you need to, you need to vet, you
need to have an actual conversation with them and say, hey,
this is what we're trying to do with our ministry.
I've heard your story, how do you think it would
fit in? So absolutely, every time.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
We have a responsibility, right, you have a platform like ours,
or you have a platform like Impacts, you know, meetings
and the ends events like you have a responsibility and
being sure that what you're what's getting out there is
in line with what we believe, right, I mean, and
that it's a true story. It's not just somebody that's
seeking attention. And then you know, because there's a responsibility
to everyone else that shows up that we should be
(15:22):
doing that.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Like and you've done that. I know that you've you've
you've met with other pastors, You've you've really talked through
should we have this guy come speak or not? So
you've weighed on, you've weighed that in and you haven't.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I try to take it as serious as I can.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Right, Because you're right, Jeremy, there's a lot of responsibility
because you've got a lot of broken, hurting guys that
are coming that that hope maybe they want to hear
something that's going to encourage them. And if you've got
some dude who just either he just had a conversion
experience and doesn't really know much about the word, if
he's riding the gravy train of I want to thank
God for helping me win this game, and they just
(15:57):
come in there and they start spouting off a bunch
of stuff it's not biblically sound, right, that that could
do some damage. So I do think that we need
to be discerning about who we let get up and talk.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Very much so.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
And I think a lot of the you know, Paul's
writings about the women in the church, that was what
was if you read the Book of Acts, that's what
was happening. And in Qrinth, yeah it was, it was happening,
and it was nonsense what was being said, and and uh,
but you know, I'm never going to disqualify a woman
(16:28):
from giving the gospel, right, And you know, and each
church has got to decide on their leadership structure and
how to position it and all that, and you know
that's not a deal breaker for me in any stretch
of the word.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well, you know, I would I would be remiss if
I didn't, if I didn't mention my my mother in law.
She she preached and she's spoken in conferences around the
world and it was very impactful and effective. She had
a teaching ministry, you know, and wrote a book on
prayer and things like that. So you know, and my
wife also has a gift for teaching. And when we
(17:04):
used to lead worship in the church here in town
that doesn't they don't have female preachers, female pastors, but
she would literally like preach from the keyboard, like in
between songs. It's like they didn't know, they didn't know
that they were getting that she she slid wanted, Oh yeah,
but she was. She was preaching the word while we
were going into the next song and kind of explaining
things and it was awesome and it was powerful. So
(17:24):
you know, i'm I'm I have it in my family.
Two very powerful women that were very knowledgeable and had
just powerful things to say, and it impacted a lot
of people.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
So, I mean, Jesus used women all the time. I mean,
and I think it was one of the things that
set him apart is that he would he gave him credit.
He gave him credit. Yeah, I mean it was you know,
and listen to have women be the ones that talked
about the tomb and all that. I mean, that's that
actually adds credibility to the story, because if you were
trying to set something up right, you don't use a.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Woman in that time, in that culture that was.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
That even gives it more credit ability in our mind
today that you know, look what, there was no way
a woman would be writing that down or or being
referred to in a position like that.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
I mean, and look at Jesus he used. You know,
the guys he picked disciples, they were not great people,
I mean before him, I mean they really weren't.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
They weren't the elite. Yeah, by any means, right.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
I mean then you look at like all the people
that he saved along the way. He wasn't helping the
rich people. I mean, he was helping people that everybody
basically stepped over quite literally. I mean talking about the
guy at the at the spring, I mean literally people
were stepping over that guy's He was just trying to
touch the water and hopes being healed. And Jesus used
him and the next thing, you know, his ministry exploded. Yeah,
(18:41):
because of the guy that everybody else stepped over.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Yeah, the bleeding woman, you think about it, the centurion's child,
that was a kind of high ranking Roman that was
that was a little more of a class.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
So that was higher.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
But most everyone else from the leper that's shunned, to
the bleeding woman to the guy at.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
The pool, which one's the bleeding woman.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
She's the one that touched him. She touched around them.
She's been bleeding for twelve years. And uh, if you
watch The Chosen, they did a great depiction of that.
They brought that to life in a powerful way. Because
in the in the scripture, it actually says Jesus felt
the power leave him.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
That's how powerful that moment was.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
It also talks about how she thought to herself, if
I can just touch the hem of his garment, touch that.
So it's like she already had, like she had this
measure of faith before she went in there. Somebody talked
about it at church a few weeks ago, how there
was a whole crowd and for this woman that they
knew was unclean, she was bleeding. She had to like,
she probably had to strategize, how am I going to
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sneak in there and do this because if they see
me coming, you know, the religous people are going to
probably push me away. So she was trying to figure
out how can I get up?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
If she was trying to find an angle. And I
was trying to tell that at the Men's conference, and
I'm glad you picked it up, but yeah, she's trying
to find a seam. I got to get through that
massive amount of bodies just to touch his, just to
touch him, and I'm not supposed to be within six
or eight feet of them because I'm bleeding, I'm not clean.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
That was some guts man.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I mean that just I mean to me that to
think about.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
She wasn't qualified and that's what she is now, and.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
How many people have come to Christ because of her story.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
I thought, you know, the woman at the well, so
we're talking about that. We might have a guest here
pretty soon that it was the woman at the well
in her life and doesn't take away her credibility at
all for Christ, not.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
One prior to even Christ. Right, Look who God has
chosen all along the way. Noah, he was a drunk.
You know that he was naked, naked, naked back in
that day, wasn't okay. I mean you had to send
his one son off to another land because you can't
see your dad naked. That's right, that's it's weird. But anyway,
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but then you got what who else?
Speaker 4 (21:00):
He got?
Speaker 6 (21:01):
David adulter, murderer. I mean, and he said he's the
man after God's own heart. Yeah, I mean all of them.
Take it with Samson.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Yeah, they they all had these flaws. They all had them.
And uh, you know Moses, Moses even got pissed off
and and and went against God's word.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
But he couldn't even go on the promise left.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, he got, he got. I always say he got
jipped on that man.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Man, all I did was hit the stick with the
with the stone with a stick. Now, you were supposed
to tell the stone to give water.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
It's interesting, though, that all of those men were chosen
by God, and he raised them up into you know,
these these.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Prominent pillars of ourn.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
They fell so so they had already seen his hand,
and they already expended all these miracles. And then and
even after all that, they still fell and God, God
was able to redeem him.
Speaker 6 (21:51):
But yeah, that thing about Adam man, he got to
stand next to the guy. Yeah, I mean him, and
you've got to see everything as good as it could
ever get.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
That's quiet time ever, best class, walking in the cool
of the evening with the Lord.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
I saw me the other day and it was a
picture of Adam talking to God and it was like,
I need a partner, and God says, It'll cast you
an arm and a leg, and he goes, what will
a rip give me?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I'm that's funny.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yeah, so bring me jelly roll, dude, bring him.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
How much is all this stuff like when you look
at your own life, right, I mean like I go
through different seasons. You guys go through seasons. I mean
all of a sudden, like yeah, you're high on God,
You're seeing what he's doing in your life. Things are
going well, and then all of a sudden you start
taking control again and start trying to like, hey, maybe
I can do this a little bit my way. You
give up the quiet time. It's things are getting busy.
I'll get back to it when I get to it.
Oh yeah, And I mean you fall off the wagon.
(22:44):
It may not be you know, a fool on affair
and lose your family over it, but it could be
something else. I mean, whatever that distraction is, whatever the
idol is you're putting in front of you, that's taking
your eyes off.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
The prize distraction that the deceiver will put in front
of you. They come in any shapes, form, sizes, and colors.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Man.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I think it's just human nature that when things are
going well, we think we can do it ourselves. We
just rely on ourselves and so we're like, all right, God,
thanks for that. I'm gonna put you over here for
a little bit until I need you again. But right now, man,
I'm I'm cruising. And there's something about suffering that just
makes this hopefully we turn to him and don't blame
him for it.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Right.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
But yeah, that's why I love like Tolion's story or
Nate Larkin and some of these guys who I mean,
they'd hit pinnacles and were really high up, doing really well,
and they fall and now they've come back, And that's
why I think, that's why.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I gravitate to those folks. Over your random hope.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
There's hope for me. Yeah, I can't top that story.
But there's hope for me.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Well, and there's plenty of guys who have gone through
the same thing, but they didn't turn back to the Lord.
They deconstructed their faith, they've walked away from it.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
This is a good combo to have.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
I you know, you were talking about worship music though
that was the start of this, but you've probably lived
it much more than I did. But it's how some
of that music used to come out, you know, like
Skillet and some of these guys, and like you imagine
what some of those preachers were saying back then even now.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
I mean some of them don't like that. No.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I was listening to you know, Christian rock, you know
res Band and Petro and all of that stuff in
the seventies and early eighties, and yeah, the holier than
now people didn't like it because they didn't think you
could use rock and roll to sing about Jesus. And
then you know, Striper came out and they had the
look like they looked like Motley Crue and all those bands. Yeah,
and there was there was a big thing about that,
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and I was all on their bandwagon still am. And
so I was bringing magazines to my youth pastor like, look, man,
they're speaking the word. Like these guys are you know,
they're for real?
Speaker 4 (24:33):
What was it?
Speaker 3 (24:33):
What was the youth pastor's respond He.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Read a bunch of the stuff and he says, well,
he says, I guess what they're saying is good. What
they're singing about is good. I just don't like the
music and I don't like the look. And that was
kind of it. But they've stood firm and they still
throw bibles out at their concerts and they still testify,
you know, to the Lord. But but yeah, I mean
back then, I think we'll get into this when when
Eric comes. But seventies and eighties, it's like worship music
(24:57):
was over here, like, you know, we were still doing
a lot of hymns, some Hoseana integrity stuff, and then
popular Christian music was over here, like completely different different worlds.
And now they're they're merged a lot. There's a lot
of popular songs that are also worship songs.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
A lot of artists cross over from one to the other. Yeah,
it's cool, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I just think back when people are writing hymns, they
weren't getting famous for it. They weren't getting paid for it,
So they were just writing out of, you know, whatever
their experience with the Lord. I mean, those things are
very rich theologically. Now there's there's a whole industry of
worship music and people are writing, they're trying to write
the next waymaker, They're trying to you know, write the
next hit. And so I don't know, I think there's
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there's probably pressure there to do that, but it's it's
a tough thing to discern. But I mean there's there's
a ton of those songs out there that we love,
that we do and love to listen to. So I'm
grateful that there's that, there's that there's an abundance of
great worship and Christian music songs out there.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Now.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
I got to tell you, man, whenever I'm feeling down
and like I'm just like trying to figure it out
and life's just not really working, and you know, I've
gone through a really long season lately, We're I'm trying
to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
You know.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
First thing I'll do, especially on the airplane, is I'll
throw on Zach Williams, or I'll throw on you know,
Matthew West or one of these guys and just start
listening to and it's because I don't.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
I don't want to sit there and listen to a
hymn on an airplane.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Exactly.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
They suck.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
I remember being in elementary school. I went to a
private Lutheran school, and we had to learn how to
read music so we could sing the hymns in the church.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
You had to learn how to read music.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
M They taught us like how we know all those
what all the notes were, and all that stuff so
you could Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
We had Yeah, we we had the hymn books and
we would do I remember the hymn books and whenever
I saw the dot go up, I had to raise
my voice.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Whenever I saw it going back down, I had to
lower my voice.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
Yeah, for a second.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
For some reason, we never did the third stanza, like
every hymn had fourth.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
That's true. We never did everything I was to do for.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
A second and fourth for some reason. Yeah. Yeah, it
was funny.
Speaker 6 (26:57):
They were picking which pieces they liked to the hymns.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
I remember that too, because it always said in the
program verse one, three and five, whatever it is, and
I always screwed it up.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah No, But I mean hims were great for what
a couple hundred years and then seventies, eighties, nineties there
was like a new wave of worship music and worship
music writers that came out, and it's just transformed into
something much.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
You know, I got a conrofession.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
To make, you know, I I I there was a
time when I walked out of churches because of the
worship music. I was so used to rock and roll,
the old and I went, this is a stage show
with you know, lights and smoke. I'm going to a
kiss concert without the face paint. And I didn't start
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appreciating it probably til the last fifteen years of my life,
like last fifteen years of now, you know. And there's
fifteen years ago when I first walked into like an
actual worship service.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I went, I'm highly uncomfortable in here. We're resistant to
change and something different. Yeah, I've often wondered, what, like
what I don't know worship twenty years from now, what
would it take for me to have that attitude, you know,
towards whatever the new the new style of worship is,
Like what would it take? Because like right now, I
feel like I'm fairly open minded about this. I can
(28:16):
embrace it as long as it's you know, done right theologically,
and it's focusing on him and not on other stuff.
I can get on board with it. But but you know,
we went to a church here in town where they
had a contemporary service and then they had a traditional
service because there were enough older folks there that they
had has stood up. But those there were some people
(28:37):
they wouldn't stand up unless you're doing to him, like
if you're doing you know, I can sing of your
Love forever or you know, you know great like a
great contemporary worship song. If it wasn't him, they wouldn't
stand up. And so it's like, oh yeah, So I'm like,
could I ever get like that? What would it take
for me to be that interesting? You know, that closed
off to say no, this this new worship isn't right,
(28:58):
like I'm just gonna I'm gonna sit here, I'm gonna
leave the church or whatever it is. Because they were there,
you know, we were playing in the in the bands
when this whole modern worship thing was was forming, and
so we we felt we felt the conflict. And then
when we started going to church, like they were unapologetically
like this is the style of music we do, and
(29:18):
it was so much easier to do it there. There
wasn't that that resistance that you felt most of the time.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
It's I'm going to I'm visiting a church for some
reason or and I still kind of like the old
old church choir stuff.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
That's one thing. How many churches actually have choirs anymore?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Yeah, church choir, I think is different.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Yeah, when you know, I was visiting a church yesterday
and they have a new sanctuary auditorium thing, and you know,
they had forty seats behind at the back of the
stage for their their acchore to to be there, and I'm.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Going I kind of missed that. That's kind of cool.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
I think I think it's great. I think some churches
should should keep it alive. My mom still sings and
heard church choir in Tulsa, and I'm kind of sad
to see choirs in orchestra and those kind of things
go away. Me too, because there was a big church
here in town that they did away with theirs five
or six years ago, and we were there when it
was still orchestra and choir, and it was awesome, it
was powerful.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
It was great.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Yeah, I don't think it's good that all of that
just dies out because it's easier to do a band.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Let me ask you this, do the with the worship music?
Do participants sing more or less than the old hymns?
Speaker 4 (30:34):
What do you mean?
Speaker 5 (30:36):
I just in a worship full worship experience, I see
the younger crowd kind of singing, but I see a
lot of others their mouths aren't opening at all.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
Yeah, my wife doesn't sing, yeah, and I don't, but
I don't know that I heard her sing at the
service we were at either, So I can't say that
she's sing either way.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
But no, I mean I don't know. I mean I
sing yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Well, a lot of the songs are written out to
be easier to sing, be repetitive because the hymns there
was no repetition, Like there was four verses of like
completely different words and you had to like think about
what you were singing. And a lot of the modern
worship is repetitive. You can catch on to it, even
if you've heard it only twice. You can catch onto
it and so along with it. And I think that's intentional,
(31:20):
but I think it all goes back to people's hearts,
whether you're doing old hymns or modern stuff. If your
heart is to glorify the Lord. Then that's the main thing,
and sometimes you can I mean we have sensed it
just being a different churches. If it's a big show,
it's opposed to it. And it doesn't all have to
do with lights and smoke, because we've been in churches
(31:41):
where it works. That's the personality of the church. Those
people are gifted to do that. I mean, there's creative
people who are gifted with sound and lighting and staging.
Are they not allowed to do that in the church
because somebody's going to think it's a rock concert? I mean,
can they only do it in the world?
Speaker 4 (31:55):
Yeah? Well, think about David.
Speaker 6 (31:56):
I mean one of the ways I'm watching this series
on Primary, it's about the House of David. It's about
his story from a kid up and it's it's really good.
By the way, I need to look into biblically how
accurate it is.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
I'm reading along with it right now.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Are you're pretty accurate so far? Well?
Speaker 5 (32:11):
I mean they do a lot of backfill, like the
Chosen does to try to tell the story. But you know,
him playing that's not a hardpiece. It's a liar l
y are you him playing for King Saul that was
that's in, that's there.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
So, by the way, how badass is he that he
went and killed that lion? Yeah, yeah, he went in
and did it, which I didn't.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
And he's a scrawny kid right now. Oh yeah, he's
just a scrawny kid.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
I didn't realize when, you know, when they said lion,
in my head, I was picturing like mountain lions because
that the mountains around Israel and stuff. I didn't realize
these are like full on bearded, like African lions that
were in Israel at that point in time.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
I guess, uh, you know, Africa is connected Israel. They
can find a way to get Yeah, these these were
real lions like I've never in my life. When they
said Jesus is the line of Judah, I just was thinking,
like they knew what a lion was, or that was
the mountain lion of Judah or mountain lion mountain you
know whatever, I mean, the black panther of Judah.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
But I looked it up.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
I was like, man, like, are they just making some
like you know, cinematic you know whatever, you know, liberties
and no, they had real lions.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Like so when he killed a lion. It was a
real line, like I.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Think, But I think the cinematic liberty is when the
whole thing with his mom and his mom like protecting
him from the line because there's nothing in scripture about that.
They don't really talk about it.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
His mom is so I one derived his name from
another writing, sure, instead of his mom's name from another writing.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But so it's an interesting twist to tell the story.
And some people are really uptied about that because they're like, well,
that wasn't scriptural, So I'm going to discount the whole show.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
There's still something about watching a well depicted some of
these Bible stories that still be very pactful and make
you think about things that maybe you didn't think about
when you read it in scripture. So I think there's
value in that.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Like you said, they have a disclaimer at the beginning,
saying all right, guys, look we're doing we're being as
historically and biblically actor as can, but we're taking liberties
because we got to fill in the backstory.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
So because you know, the church people get upset church.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
That is funny, man, here this conversation, right, we're talking
about jelly roll. We're talking about music, and we're talking
about you know, David and the you know, these these
pictures that are being filmed and you know got and
people get so upset, oh man, at this little crap
and they just forget what the real point is like.
(34:38):
And I just that's the piece like when it comes
to music or it comes to jelly roll in these stories,
like are we forgetting what the actual what the main
thing is?
Speaker 4 (34:48):
What do you do?
Speaker 5 (34:48):
We we missed the forest for the trees, bro, Yeah,
we miss it. Good stuff, all right. Matthew Wes May
thirty first, speaking of worship music. He has a story
and he preaches and has a great message. We hope
you join us May thirty first, King Center in Melbourne, Florida.
You can get tickets at Kingcenter dot com. Go to
(35:10):
our website. We have a link there, Impactmanistries dot org
and we will be circling up with Eric when he
comes back on Hope one three one oh six point
three right here in Melbourne. Tune into the station Satellite
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it on your doll. I promise you will not regret it.
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people to start ordering. Yes, so if you're interested in that,
one like and share so more people hear about it.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
But two, let us know what you would like. Yeah,
we can't order everything.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
I can't order everything, but we're in the process of
reconfiguring our custom Christian podcast T shirts. Of course, our
impact T shirts will always be the same because of that.
Seal is a talking point throughout our area. But we
would love to hear from you, So this a note
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Speaker 4 (36:02):
We'd love to see it.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
All right, guys, we will get together again next week
just for this great banter and getting a little bit
closer to understanding who we are as Christian men in
this world so we can make a difference. I'm Trade,
I'm Brad, I'm Jeremy, and Michael Thomas is gone.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
We love you man.
Speaker 6 (36:19):
We are the He's in the foothills of Kentucky, Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
It's gonna be one more full week.
Speaker 5 (36:27):
And look, that's crazy, a lot of damage up there,
but he's doing a lot of Lord's work.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
He can We need to We need to get him.
We should catch him.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
In Yeah, we do not. We actually need to do
that at some point that we talked about
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