April 8, 2025 • 40 mins
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What does the Bible say about being weak? How can God use your weakness for good? The guys break it down. Trey confesses to showing up late to church on purpose. Why did he do it?
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What does the Bible say about being weak? How can God use your weakness for good? The guys break it down. Trey confesses to showing up late to church on purpose. Why did he do it?
#joerogan #podcast #mensministry #christianliving #biblestudy #cussing #charliekirk #joerogan #jasonwhitlock #fearless #menshealth #christianliving #vincevaughn #timtebow #christianmotivation #churchmemes #mensministry #promiskeepers #timtebow #patrickbetdavid
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yo, what are you doing? Right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are going to get real about men's issues, who
Jesus is and who we are as men in Christ.
We're gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael, and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the cussin Christians.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
All right, guys, what is going on? You know people
are It's not in the Bible.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah, it's not one that says don't let your right
hand know what your left hand is doing.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
All that. We'll make a reel out of that one
and toss it.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Back to you, Trey, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
With your left handed right now. Yeah, I'm not supposed
to know. Hey, you know that we had.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
We had Bill Tody on here a while back, well
a month or so ago, right, and uh wrote the book.
He's got the Unauthorized History of the Pacific War podcast
at like eleven million views, all that kind of stuff.
Just an amazing gentleman. And he's going up to work
(01:13):
for Trump.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Oh really, yeah, what's he doing?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
They got asked, they they really want to increase our
naval presence and they wanted his expertise on the submarine.
So he's going to be a part of the defense
department team. So yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
So that's cool and shame. I mean, you're not doing
it for free. Wow.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
But I've never known anybody that got called to go
up and work for the president.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
No, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So poor poor Bill. It's it's a good time. You know,
he finally has a break, Like he hasn't had much success.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Now he has success at all.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
You go to his I went to his Wikipedia page, man,
and I'm like, holy cow, man, Bill is the man?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What's he working for? I think so he's going to
be in the department. I'm not sure the whole the
whole gig. It's just a funny.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
We're all like, man, the guy's going up and work
with Trump, and Michael's like getting apartment.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I think about stuff like that. You know.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
The thing is is now he's going to be a
millionaire because he's gonna make what one hundred and eighty
seven thousand dollars a year, and then he's gonna be
worth two hundred million when he gets out.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Well, it works in Washington and maybe so I mean,
maybe we can go up there and visit.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You'll at on site podcast. Yeah cool, somebody will good
to have you back. Yes, two weeks in a row Man. Yeah,
with heading out again, there's lots of devastation up there.
It was pretty bad. It's one of the worst storms
I've seen in a while.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
You were in Kentucky, Owensboro, right across the river from Evansville.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Nice little town.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
You know tornadoes. You and I grew up in tornado Alley. Huh,
And I want to ask you about that. Did you
guys ever see one? I've always wanted to see one personally,
like I want to see one.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, you did see one? Well, I see one go.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I've been in my front yard looking up and seeing
the rotation, seeing the rotation above.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Ironically, first tornado I ever saw was in clear Water, Florida.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Was that over the two of them out there.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
It was cool though, because they're so far out, like
you can see them, but you're not that worried about
them coming ashore.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Right, So, yeah, we saw a couple of Do they
disipate when when they hit landing sent It's why are
they called water spouts when they're over the water. I
just think they're pulling the water up because it's pulling
the water.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Are y'all keeping up with a new Amazon Prime show,
The House of David watch finished.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, they watched the last episode last night.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yeah, they Well they released one every Thursday, right, so
I haven't caught up yet, So no, is it good?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, but it's good. It's good. It's biblical. Uh huh. Yeah. Well,
and here's the deal. It's like The Chosen or anything else.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
You know, they they put a disclaimer up before, just
saying all right, sure we're gonna get the biblical stuff
as accurate as we can, but for drama and purposes
and filling in backstories. You know, we had taken creative liberties,
and they're doing that. I mean, they're trying to set
up Michael and David and you know how they got married,
and all we know about is you know, uh uh,
(04:05):
Saul awarded David Michael after David Slow slew Slade slaved
slewed Slade Golia.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I don't do that anymore.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
No, we don't do that anymore and slew, but yeah, slew,
I slayed you.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I slaved you? Is like Michael or Mike Michael Michael.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I feel like there was some dude that did an
Instagram post who was he was really upset about what
The Chosen has done and the House of David, because
it's not one, you know, according to scripture. Like you said,
there are some little twists and embellishments here.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
But I'm like, is it really that big of a deal.
But this guy thought it was. He was just like
what And I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Uh, you don't know, sure, And what these guys did
on their own time, what they did for fun, and
and all most of.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Them were kids. They weren't like the beard Michael Angelo.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, the the Last Supper, all the all the painting,
the Last Supper, they're all gray with the beards, and
they're laying there and I'm going, no, man, they're like
thirty at the most, right at the most.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Well, yeah, I mean people didn't even live past like
forty fifty back then. Back then thirty was eighty and yeah,
thirty was the new eighty back then.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Would you want to I wouldn't want to know. Back
then though, Leopard see and all that crap stuff falling
off if that ever fell off, I'm done. Sorry, I'm
out of here.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Okay, we know where your limits are. That's right. Yeah,
I'm glad. We're glad you're back, dude. Thank you. Glad
to be back listen to you guys, you sound great
without me.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Unfortunately, yeah, we we were missing a lot of bad jokes,
so there was definitely that element missing.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Numbers were down bad jokes.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Pretty sure. I pissed people off talking about hymns last week.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, you know what I don't. I don't like. I
hate the organ. For one thing. I can't stand the organ.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
My mom was sure it's organists well forty years Yeah,
so you hate his mom because yeah, I mean she
had the whole pipe organ thing and she'd do the
three cheers and the feet like she was great. She
was jam But yeah, I grew up with that kind
of stuff. But it's a generational thing, you know. I
don't expect, like I wouldn't expect my kids to want
to sing him still organ music. I mean, we can
teach it to him and say, hey, this is like
there's some good theology in here. It's like a different
(06:21):
time when they are writing the stuff, and that's cool,
But I don't expect them to go, hey, let's you know.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well even the words are an old English.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Yeah, at his point with the little clip, you really
like it obviously yesterday it's it's.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You know, hey, I'm having a moment. I got an
hour drive. You know what I'm gonna you know.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Like he said yesterday, I'm gonna plug in Zach or
Mercy Me or Matthew West or whatever. And I haven't
posted that one yet, but I will just kind of
see the reactions.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I'll let Y'll deal with the reactions.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
But it's all about what feeds but uh huh, it's
all about what feeds your spirit. Yeah, you're right, And
some people really love that traditional sound and I like
it sprinkled in well.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
I mean, but even like music, I mean not even
that long ago, like Johnny Cash's like Age Group would
have been like the like Sunshine My Only Sunshine and
stuff like that that I'm not listening to that crap now.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
Right, Or the Twainy country. I don't like the twain
Eath country. You've kind of you're a Twainya country.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Like.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I love the old country stuff I mean, but I
mean like pos stighties mostly.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I liked some of the.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Old Merle Haggard and Bob Wills in the Texas, you know,
playboys and things like that.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
But you don't listen to Poka no no, I mean
that's pok I'm good, Yeah, I am.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I saw a funny bit this.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
This comedian Fred Armistead does a really funny bit about
back when Duop was coming out. Duop was like the
heaviest music that was out at the time, and he
was like he was doing an impression of a guy
hearing Duop for the first time, and he's like headbanging.
He's like bam, and he starts like like this is
so heavy A man, I've never heard anything like this
in my life back when Duop was the heaviest music
(07:56):
out there.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Gosh, you know.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
And we have an older crowded and you do some
refs that are straight out of I try to work
them in heavy metal man, and I don't think anybody.
In fact, we have the most amazing praise and worship
band around and I've ever listened to so people love it.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I think it's all about what you're there for, right true.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I mean, if you're worried about whether the music's good
or not, then you there.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
We did we did a podcast on that I didn't
know about, you know which, one pitching about everything that
under the sun.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Now, Tory, I'm glad you're back.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
I feel like I can cuss on the show again,
you know, up when you weren't here, I kept it
very clean because of these two. I'm sorry. No, I
don't think you're a bad influence. You just bring the
best out of it.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, you just inspired Jeremy in different ways than we do.
But Terry, when you first started coming to the church
that we're at now, was were you still in the
phase where you weren't sure if you liked the modern
worship stuff?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I got, I got it, I got it. Didn't you
tell me you got to come in at again the
confession to make go? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
When I started visiting the church when Donna and I
were dating.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Well, you came to the church for the wrong reason anyway.
Yeah you're falling a woman, have anything.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
To do with it. But at the church, yeah, I
got a confession to make dude it. I just wasn't.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I mean, this is eleven years ago. I just wasn't
tuned into worship music that much, and this some of
it to me, sounded a little irreverent, and I didn't
like the lights and the smoke coming down, and I
just you know, if the church service started at eight thirty,
(09:37):
I knew the sermon would be coming on about.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Eight point fifty and one of those I just would.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Walk in and get into the back and sit down
to listen to the sermon, and then I'd be out.
It was just a mental block for me. Satan was
trying to keep me from going and enjoying.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And now I look up front and you're up there
with your hand. I read in the.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
First row, and I'm starting I've connected the dots man
and but yeah, that that was eleven years ago, and
that's the first time I'd already been exposed to the
church that I visited and went to in the Orlando area.
They had a quote unquote traditional service and a contemporary service.
But the contemporary service wasn't what I experienced at the
(10:19):
church you know where we go. Yeah, and I was
uncomfortable with that when I first went in. My dad
was uncomfortable with it. But now my dad comes all
the time to to this church. But uh, my dad
was uncomfortable with it. He's used to the to the
beautiful organ music getting and and and the chanting singing
and things like that. But I've evolved in the last
(10:42):
eleven years.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Well that's good.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Just think about it. Your weakness brought you closer to
God my weakness.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And look look what the weakness ended up with with
who we're sharing the stage with and some of the
best worship artists in the world.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
But that is kind of ironic. Like I didn't even
you're obsially a Christian promoter.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I had never heard any I had never heard who
Michael W.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Smith was. I didn't. I had no real clue. Eleven
years ago.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
The only ones I knew of was Stripper, Yeah, because
they kind of reminded me of Kiss, and I like Kiss.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You know who the cathedrals were new Gas or Vocal.
I knew the Gaithers just being a country guy. But
remember the cathedrals, Yeah, they were great. But we had
the Imperials.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Remember the Imperials back in the late seventies our church
in Tulsai, they came and did a revival service for
like five days when when Russkaffe was still with the band. Yeah,
and on the last night they said, we were we
saved our last our best suits for the last night,
and they were in these white three piece leisure suits.
It's like nineteen seventy eight. It was hilarious, but it's
kind of when they were at the height of their popularity,
but yeah, I was Imperials were like my first favorite band. Yeah,
(11:48):
and then I progressed from there heavier stuff, but yeah,
good stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Man.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And we've been having with our men's groups this last
week and I wanted to bring it here. I'll read
this to you. A thorn was given to me in
the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to
keep me from becoming conceited. Three times I pleaded with
(12:13):
the Lord about this, that it should leave me. Paul
had a thorn. Paul had a weakness. Wayne at the
rescue mission the other night, said are we calling these
Are we call them what we have weaknesses? Or are
we calling them that Satan might have a stronghold on
us somehow? And I thought that was an interesting concept.
(12:36):
But we went around the room and every meeting we've
had and had everyone write on a piece of paper
what their weakness was. What's the vomit that they keep
going back to? When you know, like Paul says, why
do I do what I know I shouldn't be doing.
And Paul himself was screaming, screaming out about a weakness.
He had a thorn in his side that keeps harassing him,
(12:57):
and it's just led some led to some amazing discussions
this week about what weaknesses hold us back? And that's
the first question that we have that we've been talking about.
And then how confident am I in my weakest times
that God is truly there? Because those next words from
Jesus was my grace is sufficient for you, for my
power is made perfect in your weakness. So I kind
(13:19):
of wanted to open up that discussion for you know,
for any of the guys that are listening. Maybe this
will be something you can talk about amongst your groups
and things like that. What what is the weakness that
holds you back? Would you be willing to share that
on worldwide podcast television?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
What is the weakness that holds you back?
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Used to or doesn't? I don't particularly have anything that
really blow.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Then you just need you just need to leave, You
just need to go go on out. Yeah, I guess
Michael's good. Michael's fine to be. You don't need God.
You're good, Must be nice, must be nice? All right?
Then tell me yours if you're so.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Bold listen, I mean, you can't tell me. And and
you have there's something in there that holds you back,
right like that You've got to think about There's there's
no way that every single day you don't think that, God,
hey can you help me with something? And it might
change day to day as a weakness though, But yeah,
we all have them. I mean I have mine is myself.
(14:16):
I leaning on me is my weakness. It's the conceited piece, Okay,
you know what I mean. Like I go to me,
like whenever I can't figure it out and I pray
about it and I don't get what I want and
I go to me and I try and figure it out.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
That's my week. That's a fixer thing. That's a guy thing.
We've talked about its weakness. It is a weakness, you know.
And I guess that's that's probably I would probably.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Say the same thing instead of relying on Christ. But mine,
I mean, women, that was always mine.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I mean just because that's a fatal flaw, right, and
it was a weakness for you. But like we all
have something every day we sit there and figure out
we're trying to figure it out. Whether we take all
the burdens of our life and our world and our
wives and our kids and we put it on our shoulders,
and we we pray about it and we try to
do the best we can, but then we just bottle
it up up or whatever that is.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Let's see, for me, that was that was an insecurity.
So for me to conquer, that was boasting my ego.
That's all it was all about. Sure, And that's I
don't struggle so much.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
So that's kind of a pride thing, right, Yeah, I
think it was a pride thing.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I mean, think about it.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
We as men want when we're looking for, when we want,
you know, basically somebody with a good heart, you know,
And the fact that God put her boobs in front
of her heart is not our fault.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
You know. It's like, no, and thank him for it.
I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I'm glad you're back, Michael. It just hadn't been the same.
I'm just so, what the questions we've been asking around
the table? What weaknesses hold us back? How can my
weakness actually become a benefit to me or someone else later?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I think sometimes just like having your weakness failure is
the benefit, right, Like, you sit there and you try
and figure it out. And I was being very honest
when I said that's my weakness is that I try
to burden everything one of myself. Eventually I go to
a place where I'm not calling, you know, I just
kind of trying to figure it out, and it's like, hey,
I'm not getting what I want out of it, and
then I'm I'm trying to handle it, and I you know,
and then eventually it breaks you, and then you become
(16:06):
stronger because of it.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
You know, that's it's true.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
I mean, I think pride is probably the source of
most of these weaknesses. And even even in that scripture,
you know, he probably needed something to keep him contained,
you know, keep his ego in check.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
I bet Paul was one of the most bad, arrogant,
like prideful people you've ever met.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Ll pre conversion even, and that's what he battled with.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I think, do you think that's Do you think that
because no one ever is great to giving an answer?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
What is Thorn's worth? Think about it?
Speaker 5 (16:36):
He says, keep me from being conceited, meaning thinking I'm
better than everyone else.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Well, and there's other scriptures too that talk about you know,
God says my powers made perfect in weakness, and it
later talks about so no man can boast, right, So,
I mean God recognized that that was like the original
sin with Satan. He wanted to be like God. He
had pride and it still continues today. So like like
your you know your issue, it's it's a pride thing.
You want to you want to put it all on
(17:01):
yourself and take it for me. I think it's probably
related to pride too, because I'm you know, I've been
in and out of work the past year and a half,
and so every day I feel like, oh, I'm a
failure because because I didn't do this, or because maybe
I did this thing wrong that put me in this place.
Instead of saying God, God gives and he takes away.
He can put me back in a full time position
(17:22):
anytime he wants, but he's chosen. Like we've been in
the wilderness and we have been growing, you know, our
root's been going deeper in him. But every day I
feel like, well, it's my fault, it's on me. It's
because of me. I have to pull myself out so
it does not go back to alliance on self.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Right.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
So yeah, but can you imagine you knowing you working
sixty hours a week at a job and not being
able to support sure wife and this is where you're.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Going through right now.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Man, it's because as a man, you want to protect
and provide, and so traditionally, you know, you've been working.
I've been working for thirty years and always had a job,
and now to not have that like part of my
whether you like it or not, part of your identity
is wrapped up in what you do, sure, and not
having that, it's like, well, I'm failing, Like I'm not providing.
(18:09):
Although I recognize, like there are days where the whole
day is spent helping others in the household and going
to appointments and running around, and I feel like, Okay,
I know today that's what God had me doing, But
then there might be two other days during the week
where it's kind of ambiguous and it's kind of like
what do I do with my time? I feel this
pressure like every minute it's got to count or else
God's not gonna He's not gonna give me another job
if I don't spend five hours searching for jobs.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Online or you know, doing whatever.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
And so that's just been a really tough place to
be for the past couple of years.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I bet, what have you screamed out to God three
times for to help you with?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
And remove.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I mean, I ask him every day to direct my steps.
I feel like if I know that I'm walking and
what he has called me to do, it's gonna it's
gonna pan out, It's going to be okay. I just
doubt every day whether or not I heard his voice,
whether I did what I was supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
And so you know, again, what do you do with that? Right?
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Because like I mean, I have the same thing right,
I mean two years basically I went till I found
something right. We're in very similar boats, you know. But
it's funny because like to your point, like I pray
all the time, I ask what I'm supposed to do,
and I feel like I'm going through that motion.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But what do you do with a doubt? You know
what I mean? Yeah, Like, how do you get over that?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I think sometimes he lets us, he lets us feel it.
I mean, what faith is the substance of things hoped
for the evidence of things not seen. If you always
know and you always like that, it's not faith if
you always feel it, always know it, like there has
to be some belief in what you don't see. And
(19:47):
so I don't know, I just try to persevere I
try to, you know, Like I said, I try to
pray throughout the day and just stop and focus. And
I feel like I have gotten better at that in
the past couple of years, whereas a couple of years
ago it was always focused on the problem. Always you know,
I'm not doing this right, I'm not doing that right now.
It's like, okay, Lord, I'm giving this up to you.
I recognize that you can fix this at any time.
(20:08):
Like you're greater than my ability to screw things up.
And so if we're still if I'm still not working
full time, it's because you have me in this place
for a reason.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
So I want to learn from it. I want to
go deeper in you.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
And so that's kind of I've had to kind of
turn that over to him more instead of me controlling it,
saying no, I'm going to punch my way out of
this right.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
See, I'm that's a little different from me because and
I'm not saying that your your approach is the right approach.
My problem is is that then I turn around, I'm like, well,
I keep asking and keep thinking, I keep trying to
believe I'm not getting what I want, So, like, what
can I do more.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You know what I mean? And go does that make sense?
You know it?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
You know the next words are obviously Jesus says, my
grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made
perfect in weakness.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You know that's Jesus's words.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Now we all you know, we've talked about it before,
that word sufficient that Jesus gives. Man, I have trouble
with that word.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, but in a worldly sense like you you know,
corporate America type guys. You have your performance review. You
don't want to be sufficient. No, you don't want to
be meet expectation.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
No, I literally want a conversation.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You want to be superior off the charts, going to
be the next CEO on your on it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
But the sufficient thing will.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
But it's a powerful word when it comes out of
Jesus' mouth, says you don't you don't need anything else
at all.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Well I had.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
I had the conversation this week with my CEO and
in fact, and she we were talking about an account
and just kind of where we're at, and she's like,
what can we do to get one more up?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I was like, I'm not looking at one more up.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
I'm trying to get in the top third, and she
was like, well, why don't you start with one, which.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Is kind of interesting?
Speaker 5 (21:46):
And I was like, oh, I was like, some of
my expectations are I'm putting more on me than you are,
you know. And she was like, yeah, we just got
to leave frog the first one.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And then I was like, yeah, but I'm not. I'm
not even thinking about it.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
That's not how you're wired. No, we're number eleven twenty two.
I'm trying to think how to get number three, like
next week, right, you know what I mean? And so
basically she's saying, children out right, relax.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, well think about it. Think about Jesus.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
You know, Paul sitting here, he's screaming to Jesus, take
the storm out, Take the storm out, Take the storm out.
So insert what whatever it is you've got, God take
you know me. I'm I'm I'm a codependent guy. I
set up an event for one hundred guys, ninety nine
of them, ninety nine of them think it's the bomb.
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One guy writes an email. I don't focus on the
ninety nine. I focus on the one, and it I
let that one get under my skin and it disrupts me.
So this people pleasing thing I've got, I scream about
it because it puts me and it paints me in
a corner often.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
But Jesus, Jesus didn't.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
What didn't Jesus say, here he said, my grace is
sufficient for you from my powers made perfect and weakness.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
What didn't he say, I'm going to fix it for you? Bingo?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, come here, oh, come here, come here, Jeremy, let
me take that thorn out right.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
He didn't say, I tell.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
You what, believe in me and gear down, go for
the top three, in the top third in the next
three days, and do you know, put up forth all
this nothing wrong with working hard.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Okay, don't misunderstand me.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
But Jesus didn't say, my grace is sufficient for you,
but you need to do this. He didn't say, my
grace is sufficient for you, and you better watch out
and not go send no more. We're not saying go
sind no more. So before you write that email. And
they are worried about the one. See see, I'm worried
about the one. That's my problem. I'm worried about the one.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
All right.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
I got a question for you in the Christian community
as and I see it a lot. One of the
things I think the guys at see it and and
us here we get real and we get real with
the guys and see that we don't put on airs
about how we've got it all together and we've got it.
It's just such a rosy, picture perfect world living this
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Christian life.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
And CITA is the rescue mission that we work with
here in town. Fifty two men living with this working
rescue mission. Go ahead, buddy. My point is is that.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
I think insecurities we tend to do do do to
hide those insecurities. If we're all together in the Christian
world and we've got it all together and we're not
showing our weaknesses, we're these perfect Christians and we're doing
so good, we're doing great, and I think the world
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is saying, I need some more realism. I need to
see some realism. And I think that's what we do here.
That's what impacts all about getting real. And I think
the Christian community puts on a facade of I've got
it all together.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I can't show my weakness. That's the bullshit of the.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Church, and that's the Western church we have today all
over and let's go in put on that happy face
out the pocket God that Michael talks about all the time.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
And when do we let our guard down?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
As our friend John Lynch says, when can we be
in a place where you're going to love me more
because you understand what my weaknesses are instead of you're
going to love me less because I'm showing them.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
And that's the problem the church is that you go
to these churches and it's like God forbid we go
into church and say, hey, you know what, I'm actually
a broken person with actual issues and I need help
and I'm looking and I'm seeking. I mean, how many
people don't go to church because they don't want to
get judged by all the people around them.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
They won't even walk in the door because they feel
like I got to get cleaned up before I walk
in that building.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And that person that's judging them by the way. I know.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
I was just watching one of Tullian's reels about him
talking about being a pastor and how you have to
be real as a pastor, and there's so many pastors
that are not letting their congregation know that they're struggling
with something.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, I mean, t tall you in uh Chavision there's
a realism that comes from him and his wife. And yeah,
he he pokes the bear, he pokes it, but it
just from his experience being in Christian royalty, Billy Graham's family,
his fall, his moral failure, and how he's rebounded and
his ministry has got a purpose of I need misfits
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like me, and we're going to talk about how we're
going from misfit to saint.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And it gives him a realism.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
I had a conversation with a friend last night regarding
his definition of the Protestant Church. I guess it means
protest the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Well, that's the whole thing from Martin Luther and you know,
nailing that piece of paper to the wall, right.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
And my whole point was, I said, it's not about
ritual and I said, all of my weaknesses.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You know a lot of my weaknesses.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
And I said, I've talked to you about him and
I've come you know, we have this questions about them.
But I said, it's all about my relationship with Christ
now period. And when I get real people tend to
engage more with you. We got a lot of hurting
people out there.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I mean, it.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Just blows my mind, the amount of people that I
come in contact with, and how are just downright hurting
one way or another? And so are we offering a
piece of meat? Are we showing our weaknesses and able
to say, hey, look, let me tell you what I
went through. Let me tell you what my experiences were,
what I did, how I'm forgiven the grace of God.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
We need to do that more.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
You rank your self differently than what that person's going through.
There's people listening here that have been through. I mean,
look at the stable right, Like if you were to judge,
if you were to rank us Buryed some worldly views,
Brad Winds and Trey, then you and I got to
do get out the box, right, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
What I mean. I'm not going to sit next to
you in church center. You stay on the other side.
That's actually exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, you sit
over there in the other part of the room. Yeah,
you can sit in the back while I sit in
the front. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
I always always tell the story I heard one time
from the pastor that said I had a man come
in looking at me saying, why did you let that
lesbian couple come into the church.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I don't think they should be in here, and he
and he said yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
But then the pastor said, one year ago, I was
counseling him because he was cheating on his wife.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Mmm. And he's looking across the.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Room at the lesbian couple that were sitting there, and how.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Hypocritical is that? Well where my mind goes when I
see the lesbian couples. I'm like, thank god they're here.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, since they're worse of mine.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Right there, the Bible says, my sin is exactly the same,
and I'm going to send today. Yeah, before I leave
the room, I might even send today, right, Yeah, we'll
let you know.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Well yeah, well we'll definitely. I mean, Michael will judge it.
I'm leaving it up to him, not you guys.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
And there's another there's another instance in another church that
I went to where one of the elder team, one
of the staff members was going through a divorce, very
unfortunate situation, and they asked, you know, they asked the
staff member and take a little break and you know,
let's get you know, get sorted out. And but the
elder I was talking to said said, yeah, we got
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to do what we can to keep him from doing this.
Because the divorce is a sin and we don't want
him to sin. And I'm like, that's not the focus here, dude.
The focus is the whole situation and supporting and giving
grace to this guy and getting to the bottom of
it and understanding. But it's it's not about keeping you
from sinning it. It's not at all. That was the
(29:44):
first thing that came up was we got to keep
him from sinning. We don't want him to send divorces
of sin. I said, well, and oh, that's ugly. That
that's the kind of warped stuff that we get into.
I don't know if we have weaknesses the church sometimes
this isn't prepared.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I don't know if it's the same situation I'm thinking of,
but we had a situation similar to that in our
church where a guy that was in charge of a
ministry he was going through a divorce.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
They had him step back for a while.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And if they had done what this guy was suggesting
basically just like you can't work here anymore or whatever
it is, you know, it's like he would have been done.
But he was restored. I mean, he didn't do anything
that was immoral, but he was restored. After that, and
now that ministry that he's in charge of has never
been better. Really in the fifteen years that I've been
at the church. It's thriving more than it ever has.
(30:31):
And I was really impressed with how the leadership handled
that because typically you're going through divorce, that's bad. We
can't have you anywhere near leadership or the church, so
you need to go away. And that's not what they
did with this guy. And now that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
The fruit the fruit of how they handled it.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I mean, young people are being impacted and the church
is thriving, so it's really refreshing.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
This at school, So that's too. That shows how grace works. Yes,
the other way was.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
We just we don't want him to send it's a
sin that he's doing that.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
And I'm like, well, I'm sure it's complicated behind behind
the door, and it's not something that an elder from
church is going to fix right and say, you know,
you do this, you do that, and all will be
well again.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, So it was a sin focus versus a grace focus.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
It's it's just like when you get out there and
you just start talking and just being like a real person,
like I mean, how many times. I mean, I can't
even tell you how many times I've been sitting at
a bar or someplace on my travels and I'm talking
to somebody and they're they're opening up, and you know,
all of a sudden, like it's like, man, like you're
a real person. And I'm like, dang, that's pretty powerful
on both sides where I'm just telling my truth and
(31:37):
they're telling their truth whatever it is. But like, and
I'm not praising me, I'm just saying, like, it's the truth,
right Like when somebody actually says, hey, I'm broken, I'm hurting,
I'm I'm in a bad spot right now, and you know,
I'm struggling with like staying faithful at the moment.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Yeah, well, what's the scripture that says we will overcome
by the blood of the Lamb and the word of
our testimony.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I mean, that's huge two things.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
The blood of the Lamb most powerful event in the
history of the world, and how that blood affected us.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
You can't refute it. I wanted to read this real quick.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
First, Corinthians one twenty seven, brothers and sisters, think of
what you were when you were called. Not many of
you were wise by human standards. Not many were influential,
not many were of noble birth. But God chose the
foolish things of the world to shame, the wise. God
chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
God chose the lowly things of this world and the
despised things and the things that are not to nullify
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the things that are, so that no one may boast
before him. So, I mean, that's we touched on it
last week. How many Bible heroes were not They were
not those things when they were called like David, you know,
a little shepherd boy. He was the last person that
the prophet thought was going to be the king. Like
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he went through all his brothers first, I'll think of tall,
handsome guys and it's like so he wasn't wise or
strong or noble by by the world standards, right, and
Moses was then he stutter yeahs.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
And one of my favorite that's why they didn't understand
the Ten commandments.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
One of my favorites that was Gideon. Where they when
Gideon was hiding at a wine press and when you
know when what was the name when the Lord came
to him and said, you know, a rise mighty man
of valor. It's like, I'm not damn out a mighty
man of valor. Yeah, and and God used him. So
you know, we talked about our weaknesses and the thorn
(33:34):
and all that. I think it's it's so that no
man may boast and and how great we are.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Well, you know, our our cornerstone, uh verse for our
whole ministry is James five, where you know, confess your
sins to one another and pray for one another that
you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person
as great power as it's working. As Christians, we are righteous,
we walked with the same righteousness of Jesus Christ walk
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on this earth with two thousand years ago, and the
prayer of us will be heard and healing will happen.
So you got to figure it. You know that that
verse is tell me your weakness, I'm gonna come alongside
you through me, this genuine brotherhood and the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You're gonna shed this this weakness. He's gonna take care
of it.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
But our focus, as Jesus told Paul, focus on me.
My grace is all you need. It is sufficient.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Period.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
It doesn't say my grace is superior, But what does
it say, where sin abounds, grace abounds more so in
a sense you're talking about God going, you know, my power,
my glory. Now I'm kicking it up on ash when
you're weak. So get ready and focus on that. And
so many, so many times we try to focus on
the things we can fix like you said, or the
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like you said, and we can do it on our own.
And you know, a lot of men's ministries today are
set up to be that, oh, let's go and let's
you know, march through Well, no Jesus saying, don't focus
on that march, focus on me, and I'm gonna be
making that march with you. I don't know that makes
sense or not to anybody, but that's kind of what
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I go back to more than used to of myself,
myself home repair, soul repair program that I always used
to try to do. Like He's always told me many times, tray,
you can't be His Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
And He's right, I can't.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
So that one person that didn't like this podcast today,
I'm just gonna let you go.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I think it takes more discipline too to to not
try to fix it ourselves, to stop and just lisit
and pray that's hard and say, Lord, I'm gonna lay
this down at your feet.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Especially if it was like it's your kid or something
like that they're going through, and just to say.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I just think that's the struggle that we're always going
to have because we do try to fix things and
God has wired us a certain way. I think it's
I think it's a good thing for us to try
to fix and try to do and accomplish. But at
some point, I guess in certain moments, we have to
know when to turn it over to the Lord and
when to just stop and say, God, you've got this.
I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna trust you with it
instead of relying on myself and pressure myself to do
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the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
But what's your weakness? I think we all kind of
shared ours. I got a on tho sheets sheets of
paper that were handed in throughout the week. I got
everything from smoking to procrastination to worry, A lot of
worry and internal conflict is my weakness. Anxiety is my weakness.
(36:35):
And then our brother Frank, I'm giving him a shout
out because I think they're going to listen. He wrote
down that his weakness was his lust. For his wife,
which I thought was brilliant. Well, yeah, my weakness is
my lust for my wife. So Frank you lost, Well,
that's not the podcast.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, if if you're wanting I think, if you're wanting
her to just fulfill your desires, maybe that can be
out of balance because because that's what love, love wants
to give, lust wants to take. So all you're thinking
of is, yeah, you know, well, knowing the context of
who wrote it, he's a jokester. So so we all
got a big chuckle out of it when I read it.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I have to get naked more in front of me,
and that's what I want. That's love. Yep, that's love.
And I know that.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Hell, I think that might be on the other side
because you're hoping to take as soon as that.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, Michael, you're going to give. Yes, I'm gonna give,
all right, all right.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Speaking of weaknesses, we do have our link on our
website at Impactmanistries dot org our brotherhood supporting network. If
there's a weakness that is holding you back, you can
feel free and confident and totally in a confidential way
to shoot us an email on that on that link
on our on our website, love to have that start,
that conversation to just help you think a little bit
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more and focus on who you are as a Christian man.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
So we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
We would get back to you within twenty four hours
and just kind of give you a little prop up,
maybe some scripture or maybe just an ear to listen.
So you can check that out on the website. Check
out our social media Facebook, so Instagram.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
What else am I doing? I'm not doing anything else
right now but those two and look for the event.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
We are eight weeks away from our sixth Grace Experience
at the King Center May thirty first, Melbourne, Florida. Grammy
recognized Matthew West will be joining us. What an amazing singer, songwriter, entertainer,
and we're going to have stories of people talking about
their weaknesses and how they overcome that came their weaknesses.
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People that are living our county are going to be
there sharing and then then of course the worship music
will be just out of site that night, So you
can get the tickets at Kingcenter dot com on our website.
Check out our social media pages like follow, share, and
it doesn't cost you a time if you do want
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Overcoming weaknesses what holds us back. God's in the middle
of it always, and the truth about who we are
in Christ is being forgiven, holly, justified and walking with
the righteousness of God every time. So let's boast in
our weaknesses because God will be stronger.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
So well, what that said, We'll catch you next time.
This is Trey, and I'm Michael, Now'm Brad and I'm Jeremy.
We are the Chians. We use. A great text from somebody.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Was out of the while Doug, our buddy in Ohio
that listens to our podcast. He needed to hear some
of the things we talked about last week on if
we're ever disqualified from sharing the Gospel, and.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I'd love to dive into that a little.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Bit deeper coming soon because Doug, we love you guys,
and please keep reaching out.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
It was an awesome text to get. Thanks dude, Thank you.
Sweating like a whore and church is not in our
church
Yo, what are you doing? Right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are going to get real about men's issues, who
Jesus is and who we are as men in Christ.
We're gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael, and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the cussin Christians.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
All right, guys, what is going on? You know people
are It's not in the Bible.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Yeah, it's not one that says don't let your right
hand know what your left hand is doing.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
All that. We'll make a reel out of that one
and toss it.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Back to you, Trey, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
With your left handed right now. Yeah, I'm not supposed
to know. Hey, you know that we had.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
We had Bill Tody on here a while back, well
a month or so ago, right, and uh wrote the book.
He's got the Unauthorized History of the Pacific War podcast
at like eleven million views, all that kind of stuff.
Just an amazing gentleman. And he's going up to work
(01:13):
for Trump.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Oh really, yeah, what's he doing?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
They got asked, they they really want to increase our
naval presence and they wanted his expertise on the submarine.
So he's going to be a part of the defense
department team. So yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
So that's cool and shame. I mean, you're not doing
it for free. Wow.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
But I've never known anybody that got called to go
up and work for the president.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
No, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So poor poor Bill. It's it's a good time. You know,
he finally has a break, Like he hasn't had much success.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Now he has success at all.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
You go to his I went to his Wikipedia page, man,
and I'm like, holy cow, man, Bill is the man?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What's he working for? I think so he's going to
be in the department. I'm not sure the whole the
whole gig. It's just a funny.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
We're all like, man, the guy's going up and work
with Trump, and Michael's like getting apartment.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I think about stuff like that. You know.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
The thing is is now he's going to be a
millionaire because he's gonna make what one hundred and eighty
seven thousand dollars a year, and then he's gonna be
worth two hundred million when he gets out.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Well, it works in Washington and maybe so I mean,
maybe we can go up there and visit.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You'll at on site podcast. Yeah cool, somebody will good
to have you back. Yes, two weeks in a row Man. Yeah,
with heading out again, there's lots of devastation up there.
It was pretty bad. It's one of the worst storms
I've seen in a while.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
You were in Kentucky, Owensboro, right across the river from Evansville.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Nice little town.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
You know tornadoes. You and I grew up in tornado Alley. Huh,
And I want to ask you about that. Did you
guys ever see one? I've always wanted to see one personally,
like I want to see one.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, you did see one? Well, I see one go.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I've been in my front yard looking up and seeing
the rotation, seeing the rotation above.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
Ironically, first tornado I ever saw was in clear Water, Florida.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Was that over the two of them out there.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
It was cool though, because they're so far out, like
you can see them, but you're not that worried about
them coming ashore.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Right, So, yeah, we saw a couple of Do they
disipate when when they hit landing sent It's why are
they called water spouts when they're over the water. I
just think they're pulling the water up because it's pulling
the water.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Are y'all keeping up with a new Amazon Prime show,
The House of David watch finished.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, they watched the last episode last night.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yeah, they Well they released one every Thursday, right, so
I haven't caught up yet, So no, is it good?
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, but it's good. It's good. It's biblical. Uh huh. Yeah. Well,
and here's the deal. It's like The Chosen or anything else.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
You know, they they put a disclaimer up before, just
saying all right, sure we're gonna get the biblical stuff
as accurate as we can, but for drama and purposes
and filling in backstories. You know, we had taken creative liberties,
and they're doing that. I mean, they're trying to set
up Michael and David and you know how they got married,
and all we know about is you know, uh uh,
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Saul awarded David Michael after David Slow slew Slade slaved
slewed Slade Golia.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I don't do that anymore.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
No, we don't do that anymore and slew, but yeah, slew,
I slayed you.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I slaved you? Is like Michael or Mike Michael Michael.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I feel like there was some dude that did an
Instagram post who was he was really upset about what
The Chosen has done and the House of David, because
it's not one, you know, according to scripture. Like you said,
there are some little twists and embellishments here.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
But I'm like, is it really that big of a deal.
But this guy thought it was. He was just like
what And I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
Uh, you don't know, sure, And what these guys did
on their own time, what they did for fun, and
and all most of.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Them were kids. They weren't like the beard Michael Angelo.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, the the Last Supper, all the all the painting,
the Last Supper, they're all gray with the beards, and
they're laying there and I'm going, no, man, they're like
thirty at the most, right at the most.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Well, yeah, I mean people didn't even live past like
forty fifty back then. Back then thirty was eighty and yeah,
thirty was the new eighty back then.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Would you want to I wouldn't want to know. Back
then though, Leopard see and all that crap stuff falling
off if that ever fell off, I'm done. Sorry, I'm
out of here.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Okay, we know where your limits are. That's right. Yeah,
I'm glad. We're glad you're back, dude. Thank you. Glad
to be back listen to you guys, you sound great
without me.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Unfortunately, yeah, we we were missing a lot of bad jokes,
so there was definitely that element missing.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Numbers were down bad jokes.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
Pretty sure. I pissed people off talking about hymns last week.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, you know what I don't. I don't like. I
hate the organ. For one thing. I can't stand the organ.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
My mom was sure it's organists well forty years Yeah,
so you hate his mom because yeah, I mean she
had the whole pipe organ thing and she'd do the
three cheers and the feet like she was great. She
was jam But yeah, I grew up with that kind
of stuff. But it's a generational thing, you know. I
don't expect, like I wouldn't expect my kids to want
to sing him still organ music. I mean, we can
teach it to him and say, hey, this is like
there's some good theology in here. It's like a different
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time when they are writing the stuff, and that's cool,
But I don't expect them to go, hey, let's you know.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well even the words are an old English.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
Yeah, at his point with the little clip, you really
like it obviously yesterday it's it's.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You know, hey, I'm having a moment. I got an
hour drive. You know what I'm gonna you know.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Like he said yesterday, I'm gonna plug in Zach or
Mercy Me or Matthew West or whatever. And I haven't
posted that one yet, but I will just kind of
see the reactions.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I'll let Y'll deal with the reactions.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
But it's all about what feeds but uh huh, it's
all about what feeds your spirit. Yeah, you're right, And
some people really love that traditional sound and I like
it sprinkled in well.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
I mean, but even like music, I mean not even
that long ago, like Johnny Cash's like Age Group would
have been like the like Sunshine My Only Sunshine and
stuff like that that I'm not listening to that crap now.
Speaker 6 (07:11):
Right, Or the Twainy country. I don't like the twain
Eath country. You've kind of you're a Twainya country.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Like.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I love the old country stuff I mean, but I
mean like pos stighties mostly.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I liked some of the.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Old Merle Haggard and Bob Wills in the Texas, you know,
playboys and things like that.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
But you don't listen to Poka no no, I mean
that's pok I'm good, Yeah, I am.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I saw a funny bit this.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
This comedian Fred Armistead does a really funny bit about
back when Duop was coming out. Duop was like the
heaviest music that was out at the time, and he
was like he was doing an impression of a guy
hearing Duop for the first time, and he's like headbanging.
He's like bam, and he starts like like this is
so heavy A man, I've never heard anything like this
in my life back when Duop was the heaviest music
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out there.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Gosh, you know.
Speaker 6 (07:58):
And we have an older crowded and you do some
refs that are straight out of I try to work
them in heavy metal man, and I don't think anybody.
In fact, we have the most amazing praise and worship
band around and I've ever listened to so people love it.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I think it's all about what you're there for, right true.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I mean, if you're worried about whether the music's good
or not, then you there.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
We did we did a podcast on that I didn't
know about, you know which, one pitching about everything that
under the sun.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Now, Tory, I'm glad you're back.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
I feel like I can cuss on the show again,
you know, up when you weren't here, I kept it
very clean because of these two. I'm sorry. No, I
don't think you're a bad influence. You just bring the
best out of it.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, you just inspired Jeremy in different ways than we do.
But Terry, when you first started coming to the church
that we're at now, was were you still in the
phase where you weren't sure if you liked the modern
worship stuff?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I got, I got it, I got it. Didn't you
tell me you got to come in at again the
confession to make go? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
When I started visiting the church when Donna and I
were dating.
Speaker 5 (09:04):
Well, you came to the church for the wrong reason anyway.
Yeah you're falling a woman, have anything.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
To do with it. But at the church, yeah, I
got a confession to make dude it. I just wasn't.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I mean, this is eleven years ago. I just wasn't
tuned into worship music that much, and this some of
it to me, sounded a little irreverent, and I didn't
like the lights and the smoke coming down, and I
just you know, if the church service started at eight thirty,
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I knew the sermon would be coming on about.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Eight point fifty and one of those I just would.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Walk in and get into the back and sit down
to listen to the sermon, and then I'd be out.
It was just a mental block for me. Satan was
trying to keep me from going and enjoying.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
And now I look up front and you're up there
with your hand. I read in the.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
First row, and I'm starting I've connected the dots man
and but yeah, that that was eleven years ago, and
that's the first time I'd already been exposed to the
church that I visited and went to in the Orlando area.
They had a quote unquote traditional service and a contemporary service.
But the contemporary service wasn't what I experienced at the
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church you know where we go. Yeah, and I was
uncomfortable with that when I first went in. My dad
was uncomfortable with it. But now my dad comes all
the time to to this church. But uh, my dad
was uncomfortable with it. He's used to the to the
beautiful organ music getting and and and the chanting singing
and things like that. But I've evolved in the last
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eleven years.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Well that's good.
Speaker 5 (10:44):
Just think about it. Your weakness brought you closer to
God my weakness.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And look look what the weakness ended up with with
who we're sharing the stage with and some of the
best worship artists in the world.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
But that is kind of ironic. Like I didn't even
you're obsially a Christian promoter.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I had never heard any I had never heard who
Michael W.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Smith was. I didn't. I had no real clue. Eleven
years ago.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
The only ones I knew of was Stripper, Yeah, because
they kind of reminded me of Kiss, and I like Kiss.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You know who the cathedrals were new Gas or Vocal.
I knew the Gaithers just being a country guy. But
remember the cathedrals, Yeah, they were great. But we had
the Imperials.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Remember the Imperials back in the late seventies our church
in Tulsai, they came and did a revival service for
like five days when when Russkaffe was still with the band. Yeah,
and on the last night they said, we were we
saved our last our best suits for the last night,
and they were in these white three piece leisure suits.
It's like nineteen seventy eight. It was hilarious, but it's
kind of when they were at the height of their popularity,
but yeah, I was Imperials were like my first favorite band. Yeah,
(11:48):
and then I progressed from there heavier stuff, but yeah,
good stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Man.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And we've been having with our men's groups this last
week and I wanted to bring it here. I'll read
this to you. A thorn was given to me in
the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to
keep me from becoming conceited. Three times I pleaded with
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the Lord about this, that it should leave me. Paul
had a thorn. Paul had a weakness. Wayne at the
rescue mission the other night, said are we calling these
Are we call them what we have weaknesses? Or are
we calling them that Satan might have a stronghold on
us somehow? And I thought that was an interesting concept.
(12:36):
But we went around the room and every meeting we've
had and had everyone write on a piece of paper
what their weakness was. What's the vomit that they keep
going back to? When you know, like Paul says, why
do I do what I know I shouldn't be doing.
And Paul himself was screaming, screaming out about a weakness.
He had a thorn in his side that keeps harassing him,
(12:57):
and it's just led some led to some amazing discussions
this week about what weaknesses hold us back? And that's
the first question that we have that we've been talking about.
And then how confident am I in my weakest times
that God is truly there? Because those next words from
Jesus was my grace is sufficient for you, for my
power is made perfect in your weakness. So I kind
(13:19):
of wanted to open up that discussion for you know,
for any of the guys that are listening. Maybe this
will be something you can talk about amongst your groups
and things like that. What what is the weakness that
holds you back? Would you be willing to share that
on worldwide podcast television?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
What is the weakness that holds you back?
Speaker 6 (13:37):
Used to or doesn't? I don't particularly have anything that
really blow.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Then you just need you just need to leave, You
just need to go go on out. Yeah, I guess
Michael's good. Michael's fine to be. You don't need God.
You're good, Must be nice, must be nice? All right?
Then tell me yours if you're so.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Bold listen, I mean, you can't tell me. And and
you have there's something in there that holds you back,
right like that You've got to think about There's there's
no way that every single day you don't think that, God,
hey can you help me with something? And it might
change day to day as a weakness though, But yeah,
we all have them. I mean I have mine is myself.
(14:16):
I leaning on me is my weakness. It's the conceited piece, Okay,
you know what I mean. Like I go to me,
like whenever I can't figure it out and I pray
about it and I don't get what I want and
I go to me and I try and figure it out.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
That's my week. That's a fixer thing. That's a guy thing.
We've talked about its weakness. It is a weakness, you know.
And I guess that's that's probably I would probably.
Speaker 6 (14:35):
Say the same thing instead of relying on Christ. But mine,
I mean, women, that was always mine.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
I mean just because that's a fatal flaw, right, and
it was a weakness for you. But like we all
have something every day we sit there and figure out
we're trying to figure it out. Whether we take all
the burdens of our life and our world and our
wives and our kids and we put it on our shoulders,
and we we pray about it and we try to
do the best we can, but then we just bottle
it up up or whatever that is.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Let's see, for me, that was that was an insecurity.
So for me to conquer, that was boasting my ego.
That's all it was all about. Sure, And that's I
don't struggle so much.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
So that's kind of a pride thing, right, Yeah, I
think it was a pride thing.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
I mean, think about it.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
We as men want when we're looking for, when we want,
you know, basically somebody with a good heart, you know,
And the fact that God put her boobs in front
of her heart is not our fault.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
You know. It's like, no, and thank him for it.
I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
I'm glad you're back, Michael. It just hadn't been the same.
I'm just so, what the questions we've been asking around
the table? What weaknesses hold us back? How can my
weakness actually become a benefit to me or someone else later?
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I think sometimes just like having your weakness failure is
the benefit, right, Like, you sit there and you try
and figure it out. And I was being very honest
when I said that's my weakness is that I try
to burden everything one of myself. Eventually I go to
a place where I'm not calling, you know, I just
kind of trying to figure it out, and it's like, hey,
I'm not getting what I want out of it, and
then I'm I'm trying to handle it, and I you know,
and then eventually it breaks you, and then you become
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stronger because of it.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
You know, that's it's true.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
I mean, I think pride is probably the source of
most of these weaknesses. And even even in that scripture,
you know, he probably needed something to keep him contained,
you know, keep his ego in check.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
I bet Paul was one of the most bad, arrogant,
like prideful people you've ever met.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Ll pre conversion even, and that's what he battled with.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I think, do you think that's Do you think that
because no one ever is great to giving an answer?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
What is Thorn's worth? Think about it?
Speaker 5 (16:36):
He says, keep me from being conceited, meaning thinking I'm
better than everyone else.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Well, and there's other scriptures too that talk about you know,
God says my powers made perfect in weakness, and it
later talks about so no man can boast, right, So,
I mean God recognized that that was like the original
sin with Satan. He wanted to be like God. He
had pride and it still continues today. So like like
your you know your issue, it's it's a pride thing.
You want to you want to put it all on
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yourself and take it for me. I think it's probably
related to pride too, because I'm you know, I've been
in and out of work the past year and a half,
and so every day I feel like, oh, I'm a
failure because because I didn't do this, or because maybe
I did this thing wrong that put me in this place.
Instead of saying God, God gives and he takes away.
He can put me back in a full time position
(17:22):
anytime he wants, but he's chosen. Like we've been in
the wilderness and we have been growing, you know, our
root's been going deeper in him. But every day I
feel like, well, it's my fault, it's on me. It's
because of me. I have to pull myself out so
it does not go back to alliance on self.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Right.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
So yeah, but can you imagine you knowing you working
sixty hours a week at a job and not being
able to support sure wife and this is where you're.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Going through right now.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Man, it's because as a man, you want to protect
and provide, and so traditionally, you know, you've been working.
I've been working for thirty years and always had a job,
and now to not have that like part of my
whether you like it or not, part of your identity
is wrapped up in what you do, sure, and not
having that, it's like, well, I'm failing, Like I'm not providing.
(18:09):
Although I recognize, like there are days where the whole
day is spent helping others in the household and going
to appointments and running around, and I feel like, Okay,
I know today that's what God had me doing, But
then there might be two other days during the week
where it's kind of ambiguous and it's kind of like
what do I do with my time? I feel this
pressure like every minute it's got to count or else
God's not gonna He's not gonna give me another job
if I don't spend five hours searching for jobs.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Online or you know, doing whatever.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
And so that's just been a really tough place to
be for the past couple of years.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I bet, what have you screamed out to God three
times for to help you with?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
And remove.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
I mean, I ask him every day to direct my steps.
I feel like if I know that I'm walking and
what he has called me to do, it's gonna it's
gonna pan out, It's going to be okay. I just
doubt every day whether or not I heard his voice,
whether I did what I was supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
And so you know, again, what do you do with that? Right?
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Because like I mean, I have the same thing right,
I mean two years basically I went till I found
something right. We're in very similar boats, you know. But
it's funny because like to your point, like I pray
all the time, I ask what I'm supposed to do,
and I feel like I'm going through that motion.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
But what do you do with a doubt? You know
what I mean? Yeah, Like, how do you get over that?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I think sometimes he lets us, he lets us feel it.
I mean, what faith is the substance of things hoped
for the evidence of things not seen. If you always
know and you always like that, it's not faith if
you always feel it, always know it, like there has
to be some belief in what you don't see. And
(19:47):
so I don't know, I just try to persevere I
try to, you know, Like I said, I try to
pray throughout the day and just stop and focus. And
I feel like I have gotten better at that in
the past couple of years, whereas a couple of years
ago it was always focused on the problem. Always you know,
I'm not doing this right, I'm not doing that right now.
It's like, okay, Lord, I'm giving this up to you.
I recognize that you can fix this at any time.
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Like you're greater than my ability to screw things up.
And so if we're still if I'm still not working
full time, it's because you have me in this place
for a reason.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
So I want to learn from it. I want to
go deeper in you.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
And so that's kind of I've had to kind of
turn that over to him more instead of me controlling it,
saying no, I'm going to punch my way out of
this right.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
See, I'm that's a little different from me because and
I'm not saying that your your approach is the right approach.
My problem is is that then I turn around, I'm like, well,
I keep asking and keep thinking, I keep trying to
believe I'm not getting what I want, So, like, what
can I do more.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
You know what I mean? And go does that make sense?
You know it?
Speaker 4 (20:46):
You know the next words are obviously Jesus says, my
grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made
perfect in weakness.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
You know that's Jesus's words.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Now we all you know, we've talked about it before,
that word sufficient that Jesus gives. Man, I have trouble
with that word.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, but in a worldly sense like you you know,
corporate America type guys. You have your performance review. You
don't want to be sufficient. No, you don't want to
be meet expectation.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
No, I literally want a conversation.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
You want to be superior off the charts, going to
be the next CEO on your on it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
But the sufficient thing will.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
But it's a powerful word when it comes out of
Jesus' mouth, says you don't you don't need anything else
at all.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Well I had.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
I had the conversation this week with my CEO and
in fact, and she we were talking about an account
and just kind of where we're at, and she's like,
what can we do to get one more up?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
I was like, I'm not looking at one more up.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
I'm trying to get in the top third, and she
was like, well, why don't you start with one, which.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Is kind of interesting?
Speaker 5 (21:46):
And I was like, oh, I was like, some of
my expectations are I'm putting more on me than you are,
you know. And she was like, yeah, we just got
to leave frog the first one.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And then I was like, yeah, but I'm not. I'm
not even thinking about it.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
That's not how you're wired. No, we're number eleven twenty two.
I'm trying to think how to get number three, like
next week, right, you know what I mean? And so
basically she's saying, children out right, relax.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, well think about it. Think about Jesus.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
You know, Paul sitting here, he's screaming to Jesus, take
the storm out, Take the storm out, Take the storm out.
So insert what whatever it is you've got, God take
you know me. I'm I'm I'm a codependent guy. I
set up an event for one hundred guys, ninety nine
of them, ninety nine of them think it's the bomb.
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One guy writes an email. I don't focus on the
ninety nine. I focus on the one, and it I
let that one get under my skin and it disrupts me.
So this people pleasing thing I've got, I scream about
it because it puts me and it paints me in
a corner often.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
But Jesus, Jesus didn't.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
What didn't Jesus say, here he said, my grace is
sufficient for you from my powers made perfect and weakness.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
What didn't he say, I'm going to fix it for you? Bingo?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yeah, come here, oh, come here, come here, Jeremy, let
me take that thorn out right.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
He didn't say, I tell.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
You what, believe in me and gear down, go for
the top three, in the top third in the next
three days, and do you know, put up forth all
this nothing wrong with working hard.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Okay, don't misunderstand me.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
But Jesus didn't say, my grace is sufficient for you,
but you need to do this. He didn't say, my
grace is sufficient for you, and you better watch out
and not go send no more. We're not saying go
sind no more. So before you write that email. And
they are worried about the one. See see, I'm worried
about the one. That's my problem. I'm worried about the one.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
All right.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
I got a question for you in the Christian community
as and I see it a lot. One of the
things I think the guys at see it and and
us here we get real and we get real with
the guys and see that we don't put on airs
about how we've got it all together and we've got it.
It's just such a rosy, picture perfect world living this
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Christian life.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
And CITA is the rescue mission that we work with
here in town. Fifty two men living with this working
rescue mission. Go ahead, buddy. My point is is that.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
I think insecurities we tend to do do do to
hide those insecurities. If we're all together in the Christian
world and we've got it all together and we're not
showing our weaknesses, we're these perfect Christians and we're doing
so good, we're doing great, and I think the world
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is saying, I need some more realism. I need to
see some realism. And I think that's what we do here.
That's what impacts all about getting real. And I think
the Christian community puts on a facade of I've got
it all together.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I can't show my weakness. That's the bullshit of the.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Church, and that's the Western church we have today all
over and let's go in put on that happy face
out the pocket God that Michael talks about all the time.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
And when do we let our guard down?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
As our friend John Lynch says, when can we be
in a place where you're going to love me more
because you understand what my weaknesses are instead of you're
going to love me less because I'm showing them.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
And that's the problem the church is that you go
to these churches and it's like God forbid we go
into church and say, hey, you know what, I'm actually
a broken person with actual issues and I need help
and I'm looking and I'm seeking. I mean, how many
people don't go to church because they don't want to
get judged by all the people around them.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
They won't even walk in the door because they feel
like I got to get cleaned up before I walk
in that building.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And that person that's judging them by the way. I know.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
I was just watching one of Tullian's reels about him
talking about being a pastor and how you have to
be real as a pastor, and there's so many pastors
that are not letting their congregation know that they're struggling
with something.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, I mean, t tall you in uh Chavision there's
a realism that comes from him and his wife. And yeah,
he he pokes the bear, he pokes it, but it
just from his experience being in Christian royalty, Billy Graham's family,
his fall, his moral failure, and how he's rebounded and
his ministry has got a purpose of I need misfits
(26:22):
like me, and we're going to talk about how we're
going from misfit to saint.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And it gives him a realism.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
I had a conversation with a friend last night regarding
his definition of the Protestant Church. I guess it means
protest the Catholic Church.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Well, that's the whole thing from Martin Luther and you know,
nailing that piece of paper to the wall, right.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
And my whole point was, I said, it's not about
ritual and I said, all of my weaknesses.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You know a lot of my weaknesses.
Speaker 6 (26:56):
And I said, I've talked to you about him and
I've come you know, we have this questions about them.
But I said, it's all about my relationship with Christ
now period. And when I get real people tend to
engage more with you. We got a lot of hurting
people out there.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I mean, it.
Speaker 6 (27:17):
Just blows my mind, the amount of people that I
come in contact with, and how are just downright hurting
one way or another? And so are we offering a
piece of meat? Are we showing our weaknesses and able
to say, hey, look, let me tell you what I
went through. Let me tell you what my experiences were,
what I did, how I'm forgiven the grace of God.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
We need to do that more.
Speaker 5 (27:40):
You rank your self differently than what that person's going through.
There's people listening here that have been through. I mean,
look at the stable right, Like if you were to judge,
if you were to rank us Buryed some worldly views,
Brad Winds and Trey, then you and I got to
do get out the box, right, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
What I mean. I'm not going to sit next to
you in church center. You stay on the other side.
That's actually exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, you sit
over there in the other part of the room. Yeah,
you can sit in the back while I sit in
the front. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
I always always tell the story I heard one time
from the pastor that said I had a man come
in looking at me saying, why did you let that
lesbian couple come into the church.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I don't think they should be in here, and he
and he said yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
But then the pastor said, one year ago, I was
counseling him because he was cheating on his wife.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Mmm. And he's looking across the.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Room at the lesbian couple that were sitting there, and how.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Hypocritical is that? Well where my mind goes when I
see the lesbian couples. I'm like, thank god they're here.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, since they're worse of mine.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Right there, the Bible says, my sin is exactly the same,
and I'm going to send today. Yeah, before I leave
the room, I might even send today, right, Yeah, we'll
let you know.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Well yeah, well we'll definitely. I mean, Michael will judge it.
I'm leaving it up to him, not you guys.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
And there's another there's another instance in another church that
I went to where one of the elder team, one
of the staff members was going through a divorce, very
unfortunate situation, and they asked, you know, they asked the
staff member and take a little break and you know,
let's get you know, get sorted out. And but the
elder I was talking to said said, yeah, we got
(29:24):
to do what we can to keep him from doing this.
Because the divorce is a sin and we don't want
him to sin. And I'm like, that's not the focus here, dude.
The focus is the whole situation and supporting and giving
grace to this guy and getting to the bottom of
it and understanding. But it's it's not about keeping you
from sinning it. It's not at all. That was the
(29:44):
first thing that came up was we got to keep
him from sinning. We don't want him to send divorces
of sin. I said, well, and oh, that's ugly. That
that's the kind of warped stuff that we get into.
I don't know if we have weaknesses the church sometimes
this isn't prepared.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I don't know if it's the same situation I'm thinking of,
but we had a situation similar to that in our
church where a guy that was in charge of a
ministry he was going through a divorce.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
They had him step back for a while.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
And if they had done what this guy was suggesting
basically just like you can't work here anymore or whatever
it is, you know, it's like he would have been done.
But he was restored. I mean, he didn't do anything
that was immoral, but he was restored. After that, and
now that ministry that he's in charge of has never
been better. Really in the fifteen years that I've been
at the church. It's thriving more than it ever has.
(30:31):
And I was really impressed with how the leadership handled
that because typically you're going through divorce, that's bad. We
can't have you anywhere near leadership or the church, so
you need to go away. And that's not what they
did with this guy. And now that's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
The fruit the fruit of how they handled it.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
I mean, young people are being impacted and the church
is thriving, so it's really refreshing.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
This at school, So that's too. That shows how grace works. Yes,
the other way was.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
We just we don't want him to send it's a
sin that he's doing that.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
And I'm like, well, I'm sure it's complicated behind behind
the door, and it's not something that an elder from
church is going to fix right and say, you know,
you do this, you do that, and all will be
well again.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, So it was a sin focus versus a grace focus.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
It's it's just like when you get out there and
you just start talking and just being like a real person,
like I mean, how many times. I mean, I can't
even tell you how many times I've been sitting at
a bar or someplace on my travels and I'm talking
to somebody and they're they're opening up, and you know,
all of a sudden, like it's like, man, like you're
a real person. And I'm like, dang, that's pretty powerful
on both sides where I'm just telling my truth and
(31:37):
they're telling their truth whatever it is. But like, and
I'm not praising me, I'm just saying, like, it's the truth,
right Like when somebody actually says, hey, I'm broken, I'm hurting,
I'm I'm in a bad spot right now, and you know,
I'm struggling with like staying faithful at the moment.
Speaker 6 (31:51):
Yeah, well, what's the scripture that says we will overcome
by the blood of the Lamb and the word of
our testimony.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I mean, that's huge two things.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
The blood of the Lamb most powerful event in the
history of the world, and how that blood affected us.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
You can't refute it. I wanted to read this real quick.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
First, Corinthians one twenty seven, brothers and sisters, think of
what you were when you were called. Not many of
you were wise by human standards. Not many were influential,
not many were of noble birth. But God chose the
foolish things of the world to shame, the wise. God
chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.
God chose the lowly things of this world and the
despised things and the things that are not to nullify
(32:35):
the things that are, so that no one may boast
before him. So, I mean, that's we touched on it
last week. How many Bible heroes were not They were
not those things when they were called like David, you know,
a little shepherd boy. He was the last person that
the prophet thought was going to be the king. Like
(32:55):
he went through all his brothers first, I'll think of tall,
handsome guys and it's like so he wasn't wise or
strong or noble by by the world standards, right, and
Moses was then he stutter yeahs.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
And one of my favorite that's why they didn't understand
the Ten commandments.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
One of my favorites that was Gideon. Where they when
Gideon was hiding at a wine press and when you
know when what was the name when the Lord came
to him and said, you know, a rise mighty man
of valor. It's like, I'm not damn out a mighty
man of valor. Yeah, and and God used him. So
you know, we talked about our weaknesses and the thorn
(33:34):
and all that. I think it's it's so that no
man may boast and and how great we are.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Well, you know, our our cornerstone, uh verse for our
whole ministry is James five, where you know, confess your
sins to one another and pray for one another that
you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person
as great power as it's working. As Christians, we are righteous,
we walked with the same righteousness of Jesus Christ walk
(34:00):
on this earth with two thousand years ago, and the
prayer of us will be heard and healing will happen.
So you got to figure it. You know that that
verse is tell me your weakness, I'm gonna come alongside
you through me, this genuine brotherhood and the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You're gonna shed this this weakness. He's gonna take care
of it.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
But our focus, as Jesus told Paul, focus on me.
My grace is all you need. It is sufficient.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Period.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
It doesn't say my grace is superior, But what does
it say, where sin abounds, grace abounds more so in
a sense you're talking about God going, you know, my power,
my glory. Now I'm kicking it up on ash when
you're weak. So get ready and focus on that. And
so many, so many times we try to focus on
the things we can fix like you said, or the
(34:50):
like you said, and we can do it on our own.
And you know, a lot of men's ministries today are
set up to be that, oh, let's go and let's
you know, march through Well, no Jesus saying, don't focus
on that march, focus on me, and I'm gonna be
making that march with you. I don't know that makes
sense or not to anybody, but that's kind of what
(35:10):
I go back to more than used to of myself,
myself home repair, soul repair program that I always used
to try to do. Like He's always told me many times, tray,
you can't be His Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
And He's right, I can't.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
So that one person that didn't like this podcast today,
I'm just gonna let you go.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I think it takes more discipline too to to not
try to fix it ourselves, to stop and just lisit
and pray that's hard and say, Lord, I'm gonna lay
this down at your feet.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
Especially if it was like it's your kid or something
like that they're going through, and just to say.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I just think that's the struggle that we're always going
to have because we do try to fix things and
God has wired us a certain way. I think it's
I think it's a good thing for us to try
to fix and try to do and accomplish. But at
some point, I guess in certain moments, we have to
know when to turn it over to the Lord and
when to just stop and say, God, you've got this.
I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna trust you with it
instead of relying on myself and pressure myself to do
(36:10):
the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
But what's your weakness? I think we all kind of
shared ours. I got a on tho sheets sheets of
paper that were handed in throughout the week. I got
everything from smoking to procrastination to worry, A lot of
worry and internal conflict is my weakness. Anxiety is my weakness.
(36:35):
And then our brother Frank, I'm giving him a shout
out because I think they're going to listen. He wrote
down that his weakness was his lust. For his wife,
which I thought was brilliant. Well, yeah, my weakness is
my lust for my wife. So Frank you lost, Well,
that's not the podcast.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yeah, if if you're wanting I think, if you're wanting
her to just fulfill your desires, maybe that can be
out of balance because because that's what love, love wants
to give, lust wants to take. So all you're thinking
of is, yeah, you know, well, knowing the context of
who wrote it, he's a jokester. So so we all
got a big chuckle out of it when I read it.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
I have to get naked more in front of me,
and that's what I want. That's love. Yep, that's love.
And I know that.
Speaker 5 (37:21):
Hell, I think that might be on the other side
because you're hoping to take as soon as that.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, Michael, you're going to give. Yes, I'm gonna give,
all right, all right.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Speaking of weaknesses, we do have our link on our
website at Impactmanistries dot org our brotherhood supporting network. If
there's a weakness that is holding you back, you can
feel free and confident and totally in a confidential way
to shoot us an email on that on that link
on our on our website, love to have that start,
that conversation to just help you think a little bit
(37:57):
more and focus on who you are as a Christian man.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
So we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
We would get back to you within twenty four hours
and just kind of give you a little prop up,
maybe some scripture or maybe just an ear to listen.
So you can check that out on the website. Check
out our social media Facebook, so Instagram.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
What else am I doing? I'm not doing anything else
right now but those two and look for the event.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
We are eight weeks away from our sixth Grace Experience
at the King Center May thirty first, Melbourne, Florida. Grammy
recognized Matthew West will be joining us. What an amazing singer, songwriter, entertainer,
and we're going to have stories of people talking about
their weaknesses and how they overcome that came their weaknesses.
(38:43):
People that are living our county are going to be
there sharing and then then of course the worship music
will be just out of site that night, So you
can get the tickets at Kingcenter dot com on our website.
Check out our social media pages like follow, share, and
it doesn't cost you a time if you do want
to make a donation, there's an opportunity to do so anyway.
(39:04):
Overcoming weaknesses what holds us back. God's in the middle
of it always, and the truth about who we are
in Christ is being forgiven, holly, justified and walking with
the righteousness of God every time. So let's boast in
our weaknesses because God will be stronger.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
So well, what that said, We'll catch you next time.
This is Trey, and I'm Michael, Now'm Brad and I'm Jeremy.
We are the Chians. We use. A great text from somebody.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Was out of the while Doug, our buddy in Ohio
that listens to our podcast. He needed to hear some
of the things we talked about last week on if
we're ever disqualified from sharing the Gospel, and.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I'd love to dive into that a little.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Bit deeper coming soon because Doug, we love you guys,
and please keep reaching out.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
It was an awesome text to get. Thanks dude, Thank you.
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