April 22, 2025 • 40 mins
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What does it mean to have Grace? How does it affect the way you live? How does Grace affect the way you think? Gary Miracle joins the guys as they explore one of the greatest gifts God has given us.
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What does it mean to have Grace? How does it affect the way you live? How does Grace affect the way you think? Gary Miracle joins the guys as they explore one of the greatest gifts God has given us.
#joerogan #podcast #mensministry #christianliving #biblestudy #cussing #charliekirk #joerogan #jasonwhitlock #fearless #menshealth #christianliving #vincevaughn #timtebow #christianmotivation #churchmemes #mensministry #promiskeepers #timtebow #patrickbetdavid
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yo, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are going to get real about men's issues, who
Jesus is and who we are as men in Christ.
We're gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the cousin Christians. All right, guys,
what is going on?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Me and Gary been spending a lot of time together
lately on the football field right everywhere.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Intense freaking individual I've ever watched he who was it
was it Henry or that had a cut on the
back of his neck and He's like, I didn't know
you had like a fourth and fifth gear to that
wheelchair man because it was like rolling across the field.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
I I got outdoor mode.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I just don't end up like the guy at Segue.
What that story right now? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So the owner, the guy that created Segue, he created
the off road version, and he was taking a picture
of something and went backwards off a cliff on. Oh
my god, what a way to go on your own invention,
On your own invention.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I saw Gary in action.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
I went to go see his nephew play at Rockledge
High School first time, and Gary's parked in his wheelchair
and he's talking so much trash to the other team's
players and he's on the floor floor level, and the
kids turn around like he's bowing up to him, and
they turn around and they see him in his condition,
and Gary goes.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That's right, I'm crippled. I'll kick your ass. We won, Yeah,
we did.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
But it's an honor to have our friend Gary joining
us today as we're recording this. Today is Good Friday,
and we have also begun our recordings for the Grace Experience.
Our buddy Matthew West is coming in to share with
us on May thirty first, to worship with us.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
We're gonna have some amazing.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Stories of local people, Brevard County people, and one person
from down in Jupiter to give their revelation of Grace.
And through these interviews we've been doing the past two weeks,
it is just ignited in me. We we had two
here this morning before the podcast. Gary was one of
them given his revelation, and I just wanted.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
To go there.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
And you know, today is being Good Friday. Is the
day that made Grace or Grace made happen. I guess
is that the right way to say it made Grace?
Speaker 7 (02:41):
Grady in Make Made Grady Again got canceled. It's over
by six months, but.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
We uh, Gary just got off the video and we
had a buddy, Chris Johnson in. We had a couple
in last week that just gave these stories about how
God's grace through Christ, our acceptance of His grace through
our faith has changed everything about them. And there's a
lot of misconceptions. There's a lot of people that say
(03:15):
grace isn't enough. And I just wanted to on a
day like today, we're here, six hours from now, if
we were in Jerusalem, you know, Jesus is gonna take
his last breath. I kind of wanted to go there today, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And it's just our.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Tagline is helping men discover grace, one man at a time,
men passionate about Christ.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And it all starts.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
It started with me with this Bible story. Paul had
the vision and then he screamed out the God three
times to remove this thorn. We don't know what the
thorn was. There's a lot of speculation, but it's there.
It's haunting him. And Jesus's response wasn't hey, Paul, come
(03:57):
over here. I'm gonna pluck out that thorn. Hey, Paul,
I'm going to help you get past this. Hey Paul,
it was Paul. My grace is sufficient for you. Just
my grace. Focus on me, don't focus on the thorn.
Tell me about that time.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
When you were.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
You'd been a Christian for a while and it finally clicked.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Yeah, I some I'm forty three, I think right now, Fish,
and I accepted Jesus when I was eleven years old.
Like I remember where I was, I remember the day,
I remember the time, and I even have a I
even have a timestamp of it. I remember coming home
from church and so excited to tell my parents what
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I had just done that we wrote it down in
a journal and I still have that, Like I have
the journal where it was, the day, the time, the location,
who was even preaching on stage in that moment, and
it was beautiful.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
But thirty five years old hits.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
And however many years ago, or however many years that was,
I'd realized at that moment that I went through a
little bit of an identity crisis, and I realized that
I had been taken on the faith of my parents
from eleven to thirty five.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I think a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Can resonate with that Europe in the church, and it's
just kind of what we do. It's we we're there
and when the doors are open. My dad was my
youth pastor, Like I had a front to put on.
But so because of that, I got really really good
at figuring out who I needed to be based on
who I was with I changed who I was. I
considered myself a professional chameleon. I chased the cheers of everybody.
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It was the only thing that was important to me
except for on Sunday mornings. I needed to be the
best Christian in the world with my hands held out.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
A good Christian when you go through the doors of
the church.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Baby so much.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
And I did that. And then when I was thirty five,
I just I hit the bottom and I didn't really
know who I was, who Christ was to me, who
Christ was in general, which sounds crazy coming from a Christian,
you know, for twenty something years, but taking on the
faith of my parents in the church and then realizing
in that moment what that was, and then it was
(06:07):
just this like revelation, aha moment for me that I'm
going to trade the pursuit of perfection, chasing the cheers
getting everybody to like me, trying to be perfect based
on your views of me. Trade that pursuit of perfection
for the gift of grace. And what that did for
me was let me be me for the very first
time in all of its glory, good, bad, and ugly.
(06:30):
And if you didn't like it or not, Christ was
still crazy about me. And that is for the first
time thirty five years later, from the time I was born,
realized that Christ was crazy about me no matter what
I did. And that seemed like wishful thinking, but it
ended up being actually true.
Speaker 8 (06:48):
I think we have this mentality that somebody's got to
be punished for something, whether it's in the world or
whether you know. It's like you got to pay the
price for that. That's how I was raised, and that's
the message that was brought to me was you're not
good enough. You got to go do this, go see
the man in the box. You got to This is
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punishment and then you've got to repent of that. And
the grace message was excuse me was so life changing
for me because it wasn't about works anymore. It wasn't
about and the thing is that people say, well, it's
just given you a license to sin.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Gary. It actually did the the.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
For me.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
It made me realize that I don't want to sin anymore,
and so it changed my philosophy on works and everything else.
That I can just rest and live in this total peace,
not all the time, but total peace with Christ, knowing
that this message for me is the most important thing
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that I've ever experienced. And so it's done the opposite.
And I've told you guys that before, So it is
life changing. When you were finally that light bulb goes
off and you realize what the grace message is really
all about.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
What's funny because the works message is actually easier until
it's not, you know what I mean? Yes, I can
do whatever I want, show up to the box, say
the prayers, get the lashings, whatever it is, and then
all of a sudden you do something you can't work
yourself out of.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
It is interesting, and now you need grace, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I think all of our stories like we didn't really
understand or grasp grace until we needed to, until something
happened in our lives that we're like, oh, man, like
I need to know this now you know, it became
real to us and like for me, life was good,
like same type of thing with Gary, growing up in
the church there three times a week.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You know, life was good.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
And I'd heard about heard about grace, heard about God.
But I was just like, yeah, you know, life's goods.
He's cool, like he's over there. But once once I
hit college and got my teenage girlfriend pregnant, all of
a sudden, it was like, oh, like I better get
my stuff together now. And that's and I really connected
with God and needed that grace, you know. Before that,
it was just like, well, I'm pretty good. So I mean,
(09:06):
isn't it human nature that we don't grasp it until
something like we have a crisis of some kind mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I mean I don't know anybody.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Who just heard it and went oh that's cool, but
you know, and received it as usually hit rock bottom
and we do something, we go off the rail somehow.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Yeah, there's there's actually there's one line in a Mercy
Me song called The song is called wishful Thinking, uh,
and the line says, until you've tasted grace, how you're
going to give it away? Because we have the idea
of it, like we know the definition of it. I
think a lot of people don't.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
I think, I mean, I don't think I did as
a Christian growing up. If you'd ask me what the
difference between grace and mercy was, I'd have fumbled all
over my words. I until you've tasted it, you can't
give it away. You're just regurgitating more and more of
what you've learned or heard or think you should regurgitate.
Speaker 8 (09:56):
Because then our lowest point is when we felt it
the most as far or is the grace of Christ.
So I think when you've gone through those things, you're
able to give it more, at least I am.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
You know the coolest thing about Jesus's response to Paul.
He says, Paul, my grace is sufficient for you. And
this is the big thing. My power is made perfect
in your weakness, right, and then Paul goes on to say,
I'm going to boast in my weaknesses.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Now.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Sometimes people will get turned off if you tell tell
them your flaws, or you tell them you're struggling, or
they don't know how to deal with that. And that's
the cornerstone of our ministry is come as you are.
I want to know you're junk, that you're comfortable sharing
and you know what, you're gonna get nothing but me
from grace. Our friend John Lynch wrote in his book
you Know he for the longest time he thought it
(10:47):
was him standing there with a big ol'd polo stinky
sin and then Jesus on the other side tapping his
feet like, yeah, that kind of stinks.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
But he enlightened me through that book.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
He wrote the cure that Jesus said normally other side
of that sin, staring at it in disappointment. He's next
to me going, yeah, that's a big old pile of
stinky stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I got you back, Let's go.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
And how empowering is that in my weakest moment that
he is his strongest. It's like it's like God saying,
I am on inspiring, omnipotent, all power.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
But guess what, when you're.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Weak, I'm gonna kick it up a notch almost. It's
gonna be You're gonna really realize it when when you're
in that pit. We had we had a gentleman share
with us last week as we're putting these videos together
for the Matthew West Night.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
He was in a pit? Wasn't he know? He was
in a pit?
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Given his story of grace after gigantic transaction trans uh
not transaction, transgression trans He transacted the transgression.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
But I mean rewind the rewind, but.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
A horrible transgression as a pastor, and he never understood
the word grace for fifteen years of preaching on a
pulpit until he went through the lowest moment of his life.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
There's a really cool real and social media and I'll
see if I can find it. Worry for you, Brad,
But it's got the waiting room in heaven. And there's
these two guys standing there and there's a scale and
the people walk up and they say, hey, I did this,
I did that, I you know, help inoculate babies in Burma,
like all this stuff. Right, they stand on the scale
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and the scale goes, you're not good enough, sends them
to the right or the left, and then all of
a sudden, this guy gets up. He hands them his
file and it's a huge file, and all of a sudden,
this guy is standing next to him and he goes,
he's with me, and he pushes the guy to the right.
He steps on the scale and the scale says, you
are perfect, and he steps right in. Come the guys Jesus,
And it's such a cool depiction of what it. I mean,
(12:58):
probably is not going to be like when I up there,
but I mean, well.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
It's a great visual for people to understand that it
ain't what you do, it ain't what you've done, It's
about what happens. As we're recording this on Good Friday,
what happens.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Yeah, so let's let's let's talk about that for a second,
because this is thinking Good Friday.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I know, like Jesus, Jesus, gosh.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
He did today knowing all the crap we were gonna do. Amen,
So why are we all pissy about it? Come on,
why do we not see it? Jesus knew that our
sorry selves were going to do what we were going
to do this morning or yesterday or the day before,
and two thousand year ago, years ago, still decided to
die for that, for what I did this morning. Yep,
(13:47):
he died two thousand years ago is today, I can't
even know.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
It's a humbling thing we've walked through in all our
small groups this week, the day by day happenings in
Jerusalem this week, starting with Palm Sunday. And we had
a moment Wednesday night with our people.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
They need to compile that into a little study. Dude,
that was your writing is fantastic.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
It was, and we sent it out on the thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
The other thing is, I gotta say this. I'm gonna
bust your balls.
Speaker 8 (14:19):
He wrote one thing for Thursday and it said Monday Thursday,
and I thought he was making reference to a particular
movie that we just love. And so I told all
the guys, I said, guys, keep your mouth shut. Women,
I want you to tell me if you know what
this reference is. And so I said Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Wednesday,
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and he goes the Godfather.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I'm like, did you not.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Know?
Speaker 8 (14:48):
Then he tells me that that's really a word, Monday, Monday.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
I believe the origin is French and it means mandate.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
But I thought it was part of the Godfather mom.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Catholic.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
But every point though, every day this week, something of
gigantic significance happened. According to the prophecies of the Bible,
some thirty prophecies were fulfilled this week in Jerusalem.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
And today was Isaiah's day, you.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Know, and Isaiah was what six hundred years yes prior, yes,
And you're right, Gary, do we grasp do we walk
around understanding the grace that resulted from today and the
power of it to our lives.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I don't listen.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I think that Christ is so intentional about the words
that he shares with us. And then the scripture says,
he's you know, our sins are cast as far as
the east is from the west. R I think that
there is such a beautiful imagery there, because if you
think about that, why do and he say north is
to the south, Like, if you're going north, at some
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point you were then going to be going south. But
if you're going east, you're never not going east, right,
And that's how far he cast our sins. We remember them.
We beat ourselves up about him, We tell on each
other about him, We try to, you know, hold each
other accountable to him, as if that's our place, you know,
if you weren't asked to be that person in my life.
But Jesus is like, what are y'all talking about? I
(16:26):
don't even see it. I don't even know I died
for that. Do you not get that? Like I died
for that part too. Yeah, my blood was good enough.
Are you saying my blood wasn't good enough? Oh my gosh,
are you saying, you know what, take me down off
the cross?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
How about that? Do I need to get back up
there and do it again?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:43):
I mean that's Those are the kind of things that
go through my mind.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
I mean I feel like we're doing it to him
every day. Yeah, we are driving that nail in his
hand every day by not believing him.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Right.
Speaker 8 (16:54):
Wow, we've experienced it, We've had that revelation. And this
is the whole reason that we do this. While you're
on stage talking about what you're talking about on a
regular basis, how do we get meant to finally have
that light bulb moment of revelation to totally understand grace?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
What is it? Is it getting to the.
Speaker 8 (17:14):
Lowest point where something happens that you talked about Brown?
Speaker 6 (17:18):
What is it connecting the dots on this message? I mean,
every every experience we've done, this is our six to
one has been had. Grace has been part of the word.
The first one that you inspired me to do with
Micah Tyler was walking free and grace. And that's that's
the next thing a question I want to ask, and
you just elaborated on it well as well as Chris
did in our videos earlier. How does grace free you?
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I mean how how they tell me? Man, you experience grace,
You experienced freedom? What what does that mean to you?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Gary?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I think for me it means finally. So I was
gonna chime in on Mike's but I think these the
answer is the same for like, why is it? I
think men's kryptonite is our pride. Like one, we don't
want to admit that we need grace sometimes because we're
supposed to have it all together, We're supposed to have
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it figured out, We're supposed to be teaching our families
about grace. So I already I already know that already
have that or whatever the case may be. So I
think pride is our biggest downfall. And as men, scared
to raise your hand and say, yeah, this is where
I suck, this is where I failed, This is where
it's super easy to raise your hand and say me too,
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after somebody else was already brave enough to admit what
they're going through. And I have found by doing what
I get to do, every invisible struggle that I share,
man hands are flying up saying me too. But finding
that person that's brave enough to start the dominoes to
fall is where we need more men to step up.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Well, it's such a great ploy of Satan to keep
us bound in handcuffed, because if we keep dwelling on that, Gary,
if you keep dwelling on our sin and and the
stuff that we did, we can't move on in the spirit.
We can't do things for Christ because we're handcuffed. And
speak for yourself.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Don't worry. I'm sure they have enough cuff, but.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Enough cuffs or large cuffs.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Of course they wouldn't go all the way around your
back or seat belt.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
Never moment, carry no moment, brother, Gary, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
He keeps it. We can't.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
We can't listen to the spirit and do things for
Christ when we're constantly dwelling on And that's that's the
message of Christ.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
He tried so hard not to say it again. Just then, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Gonna say it, and you cut it off you want,
I'll just had this picture of you like trying to
run from the cops.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Well, just getting is flying everywhere. I can't keep those things, Okay,
I'm glad.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
We we uh, we had a We have a brilliant
man that meets with us on Wednesday mornings. At the
Sunrises names Dennis. He's a h ex military, was an
executive at elthree. Harris just an amazing guy. And we
were talking about Grace and we were talking about what
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what what y'all just brought up? And he, you know,
we got got to shame and he he says, you know,
I think Grace has empowered me to say, I'm never
gonna let something have dominion over me. And that's what
shame does. It tries to take.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Dominion over you.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
And I'm gonna allow Grace to have dominion over me,
and it frees up everything. It helps erase my regrets.
We all have regrets, we all have things we wish
we wouldn't have done. But it helps me frame those
regrets as learning experiences instead of Satan trying to turn
those regrets into guilt too and work down the line
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into a shameful state. So it's all about what what
What's if God? You know, God's omnipotent and awe inspiring
and everything else, why don't I let him have dominion?
His Grace have dominion over me? And that's going to
wipe out everything else.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
When we talk about how we as believers have the
total forgiveness, past present, future sins. And then we do
something to somebody that we hurt and they may not
necessarily necessarily be a believer. They look at us like,
you got to pay for that, and we're like, no,
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but that situation hasn't been rectified, and it hasn't been
So how do you get that message to somebody that
you've hurt and do they think you're arrogant by standing
in this message of grace and forgiveness.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I think we have to differentiate to that person that
says that. You know, they say you got to pay
for it, and you go, what you know, in a
worldly sense, I am I'm paying the consequences of it
because my strained relationship with you or how that ripple
effect hurts somebody else my sin. I have regret, But
from the perspective of what Jesus does today on that cross,
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I know my slate is clean.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
I mean, if somebody's telling me I got to pay
for it, I'm going to tell them that I already
had a dad who did.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, they got a rich daddy. Yeah seriously. Yeah, Well, I.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Think you brought up a point that's interesting because you know,
obviously today being today it was two thousand plus years ago.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Is the past present future?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Since Grace covers that's a topic a lot of people
have a hard time with.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
But Grace doesn't work if it doesn't work in the future. Yeah, right, I.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Mean he died, like Gary said, he died on the
cross knowing who I'm going to be, where I'm going
to be.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Two thousand years from now.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
And he died on the cross for everything I did,
and that was in his future. Think about that, yeah,
and it had to be Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Yeah, I read something sometimes and this is one of
those cheesy Christian cliche lines. But when he was on
the cross, I was on his mind. And that leveled
me the first time I heard it, to know that
in his excruciating pain with his mother watching him, and
he was thinking about me, I'm going.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
To choose to believe that.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Hey, he was in the garden thinking about you wanting
it to pass and not my will, but your will
be done. And so he still went to the cross.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
In the same like before he got here, didn't you think,
like he was like, Dad, do I gotta go?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Like I was actually gonna do that same question you
think in the garden when he was like he was
having his conversation. He's bleeding, and all these things are
happening from the like because he knows what's about to happen.
I don't think he was worried about the pain of
the cross. I think he was worried more about the
weight of sin, of sin and being separated from the Father.
I think that's why he was bleeding tears of blood.
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And he even asks, you know, hey, do I without
saying it this way and somebody will hate on me
for this, and I'm fine with it.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
But he's basically saying, hey, do I really got to
do this? Yeah? Like do you think he was having
that second thought or was he.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
More like confirming, Hey, I know I need to do this,
but I just want to make sure Dad.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You know.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Well, it's like you know, Paul, Paul's let there's the
scripture we let off with Paul's scream and take it
from me.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Jesus said, take this cup from me in the garden.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I mean, it's very reminiscent, right, And you're right, it's powerful.
I've said, in that garden at the base of an
olive tree in Jerusalem.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
You were there and it was the heaviest point of
the whole time. We were on our tour, and as
our pastor was reading the story about sweating like drops
of blood, and you're sitting there under the tree, and
you're you're on the down slope coming off the Mount
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of Olives, and then you have the valley and then
the hillside goes up and you can see the wall
of the old city up above you. It is heavy,
and I felt heavy last night as we were and
Wednesday night we were going through this in our small
group and they were I cried a little. There were
several people with tears, like, my gosh, this is heavy
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and powerful, and I go, I'm going it's supposed to be.
It's not about Easter bunnies and eggs.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
The revelation I had out of this whole Wednesday night
thing tray and I told you this at lunch yesterday.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
What happened.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
And it's only in John and when Peter cuts the
ear off the dude standing there, Okay, he would have
been in prison.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
He would have.
Speaker 8 (25:52):
Gone to prison for that. It's not been on the
cross or something. And all the guards were there. Everybody
witnessed it, and Jesus picked it up and heal them
and there's no evidence. And that's my that's the message
to me, Michael, there's no evidence.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Of whatever you've done.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
And that was the message to me through that. Ooh,
there's no evidence.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
That's awesome. Wow.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
What is a holy and a righteous and adjust God
to do with sin?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Like? What does he?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
How does he react to it? He can't let it slide.
He can't just be like, well, you know, I'll give
you a break this time. Like it has to be
paid for, it has to be covered. And so that's why,
you know, Jesus, the perfect sacrifice had to be done
because I think you know, we asked the like, is
there any way that it could have been avoided?
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Or Jesus, I get asked that a lot could this
cut pass for me?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And It's like no, this sin. Sin is rampant and
it has to be dealt with. God can't deceive himself
like we can't. Right, We can bury stuff, we can
distract ourselves, but He doesn't do that, And so it
had to be dealt with right, and it had to
be dealt with blood because blood is life.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
And God's set that law up as the standard for
forgiveness was blood.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
So it's like, because of who he is, it had
to be done. We can't relate to that because we
can gloss over, we can deceive ourselves, and we've got
ourselves and we do it all the time. So it's
hard for us to reconcile that God had to sacrifice
his son, had to be the one.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
We know that sin had to be dealt with, and
God's promise was that it would be. So why don't
we just believe his promise came true? And why can't
Why is this so hard for us to accept this
free gift just based on our believing in our heart
confess them with our mouth. Why is it so hard
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for us in the Western world to say because a
lot of times you'll hear churches say, hell, okay, we're
all about grace and we're all about truth.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
And they don't mean a word of it.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Yeah, And when I don't hear it from the pulpit
much at all. You know, just in my life, grace
is the truth, right, it's not grace, but I need
to do something different, And we talked about that in
the videos earlier today. It's you know, why do we
try to put conditions on grace?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Thoughts everything that we do up until I mean throughout life,
we have to earn, we have to toil, we have
to work. And so all of a sudden, here's this
concept of grace that's free, that you don't have to
work for it anymore, and we don't.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Know what to do with that.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
Well, that was the message to Adam at the very beginning.
You will toil as a man, you will work, you
will toil whatever it is. And so I think that
that whole Old Testament philosophy is somebody's got to work
at something, and it's all about works. Whereas now the
grace message it's not it's not about what I have
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to do. It's about what Christ did, and even set
it from the.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Cross, it is finished. So go ahead.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Well, the interesting thing about what you're talk about, Adam,
is when did God telling me how to toil?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Was before?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, so when sin entered the world, you have to toil.
Prior to that, there was no need for grace, so
that didn't exist yet, and.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
They were walking.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I love its grace is in. And now all of
a sudden, I know you just want to fight naked
all the time.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I do. Yeah, that's bring back naked again. Make naked
great again.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
But my point is you don't need you don't need
to toil prior to sin, So why do we toil
after we've taken grace and sin's been erased and now
it's been rased.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Yeah, I mean listen at the end of the day, Like,
if I wasn't the believer right now listening to this,
I would think that it's too.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Good to be true. So I have to work at it.
I have to do something.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Society tells us the harder you work, the promotions you get,
the more money you make, the bigger family you have,
the bigger house you can get. I mean, society tells
us upside down in sideways that the more you do,
the more you get. And Christ is like, just breathe
and take a deep breath and.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Have a seat.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
I got it, room hered, just just chill out, bro, Like,
stop beating yourself up.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I died for that. I died for what you looked at.
I died for what you saw.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
And the fact that you're tearing yourself up about it
tells me that you do love me back, Because if
you weren't tearing yourself up about it, if you weren't
beating yourself up about it, then you'd be so apathetic,
like I'd be worried, Like what kind of narcissistic level
is that that you think that I can just get
away with this in my own being? But but Christ
is like, Man, I love that you're upset that that
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just happened, but you don't have to beat yourself up
about it. I love that you're upset and you're more
aware of it now and hopefully it won't happen next time.
But even if it does, I died for that time too.
But I think because I died for that, and because
you know that, and because I'm living inside of you,
you're not gonna want to do that anymore, which is
why you feel so guilty right now, because you didn't
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want to do that to begin with.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
You of exactly who you are and what that that
action you did is not who you are.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
He's just pointing it out to you, like, hey, this,
what what just happened yesterday? Just we just need to
redirect that a little bit. That's not that's not what
I have for you. That's not life. That's a death,
that's not life. So I just just look this way,
look over there.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
It's such an interesting point you think you're making, because
I'm just thinking, like as a new believer or a
misunderstanding believer, we'll say that because some people aren't new,
they just misunderstand that feeling of what conviction is. It's
not shame, it's not that's not God saying hey, you
did bad.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
No, he's saying hey, it's it's you actually saying hey,
I don't like that. For me, I don't like it.
I don't like that.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yes, yes, yes, that doesn't feel good now because I'm
I'm I'm perfect, and now it just lets something dark
inside of me, and my perfect being doesn't want it
in there anymore. It's not shame. God doesn't shame us.
That's why you send Jesus.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Always always cracked up.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
When cracked that's not the right word, but I always
always chuckle when I hear when I hear people say
you've got grace, but that doesn't give you a license
to sin anymore, you know. And I think through that,
and then I think, okay, so what are you saying it?
Did Jesus die today through his blood, you know, drained
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out of him? Did he die today so to ensure
I would never sin again?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The rest of my life.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
You said the license of sin, It's it's the opposite, right,
It's the license to live. Yeah, sins death. Grace is
the license to live. And when you make the mistake,
you don't have to worry about it, right, Like, it's
the opposite actually, and.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
When you do sin, you have remorse. It bugs you
inside because that's not a natural part of who you are.
But you know, like you said it, you said it earlier,
and Chris Johnson said it as well. Is of course
I'm going to go do what I want to do
because grace changed what I want to do from the
inside out. I'm humbled and I'm in awe that the
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plan came together. And grace is an easy thing that
we try to make so hard. And I'm growing up
in the fist pound and pulpit and the churches I
went to. I never heard this message come. It was
always about behavior modification and just the six steps to
make sure you do this right from the Bible, and
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it's all great stuff, But I never heard God's grace
is more powerful than anything you can do.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
What did y'all hear?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Being at church all the time, we just saw everybody
that was buttoned up. Everybody looked good, sounded good like
we were not vulnerable on Sunday mornings. It was all
about what you're supposed to do. I don't know, so
I think we learned that. And it's only when we
get into a small group like this that we kind
of open up and it's like, you know, I can
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process this with my brothers, we can pray about it,
and these guys are as real as is what I
feel like. You know, I grow up in the church.
I'm like, man, I got this issue. I can't talk
to anybody about this.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
You were mentioneding that earlier before we came on the
podcast with Chris, and you were trying to explain to
him about the podcast because we're going to have him
on as a guest one day. Yeah, and you were
saying that beautifully. Then this is the Friday night before Sunday.
We can really be real with each other, right, And
you're right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
So, I mean, growing up in the church, it's don't
do this, don't do that. And I didn't really hear
the grace message either, and I don't know, it just came.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
It was like this floating word that's kind of floated
around and we pulled it out at certain times, but
we put it back up on the shelf. And I
wanted to be the forefront everything we do with this ministry.
Every man we talked to, every event we do, it's
I want people to walk out going this grace things real.
It's changed these people. I want to know more. And
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even through that suffering that he leads it off with.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Even through all of the suffering that he leads it
off with, there's grace. And I thought it was too
good to be true until I started airing out all
of my dirty laundry.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Which took a while.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
It's just started airing it out, just started telling people,
oh my crap, everything that I've done. Now, I'm not
talking about standing at the corner with a billboard and
you know, proclaiming you're junk.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
For the world to see. But there's a couple people.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
In your life that can handle it, that is equipped
to carry.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
It for us.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
And as soon as I found the courage and the
strength of vulnerably vomit all over that to those specific
men in my life, I've never felt more loved in
my entire life. When I thought I would be judged
for the sharing of all of that, and to me,
that imagery, that picture is grace because I believe that
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the men in my life that I share things with
that don't judge me but love me, I believe are
my modern day Jesus is that I get to talk
to face to face and here face to face with me.
So we are desperate for each other, to link arms
with each other, to cling onto each other, one man
at a time. And if we can just do that,
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if we can just pick off one man for the
cause of Christ and keep Christ the center of attention,
and I think grace is going to become so real.
But man, we can't do it by ourselves. We can
fake it, we can try, we can put on our
boxing gloves and fight our way through it.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
But it's way easier to.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Link arms and be vulnerable and not fight and just
accept this free gift.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Last point Galatians two twenty. How often do we look
at the other guy we're talking with? That's Christ and Brad,
that's Christ and Jeremy Christ and Gary Christ and Michael
Christ and Garrett the mayor joined us tonight today for
this knowing how grace works, and we can look at
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other people that are Christians. Knowing that the same spirit
that raised Christ from the dead is there and Christ
is actually in him. How does that free you to
to open up?
Speaker 5 (37:01):
I think that's what the identity crisis that I went through.
I was just me and then Galatians two twenty came
alive to me through my mentor and through my journey
of discovering all of this. Is that it's no longer
I who lives, but Christ who lives in me. So
this is Christ and Gary that's getting the opportunity to
speak here this morning. And Christ and Gary's going to
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epically fail sometimes, but because of Christ in Gary, that's okay.
I don't want it fail. I don't want to mess up.
I don't want to do this or that, but I do.
Sometimes I do, and sometimes it is intentional.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Sometimes listen, if sin ain't fun, you ain't doing it right,
they say, right, But gosh that the thirty seconds of
satisfaction or whatever you're doing in that moment just pales
in comparison to eternity. I don't want to treat my
God the way that I treated myself for the first
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part of my life, like I just want to give
him the very best of me, and the beautiful part
of that is the very best of me is him.
So I just get to give him back a portion
of everything that he gave me.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Then, Buddy, Amen, Well, great discussion for this day, Good Friday,
when you guys are listening with Easter would have already
come and gone. So we just pray that that time
with your families was fantastic and awe inspiring. And my
prayer is that others will listen, they'll understand, ask some
questions about grace, and you'll reach out to us and
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email us. Go to our website Impactmistries dot org, mpact
Ministries dot org, click on the Little Brotherhood support page,
and we would love to hear from you about your
revelation of grace, what grace truly means to you, who
you are and who God says you truly are because
of His grace. We would love to hear from you.
And of course May thirty first is coming around the corner.
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We're about six weeks or so away a from the
Matthew West Grace Experience.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Uh, the tickets are going. They picked up the past.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
Few days, as it always does, and so go to
the King Center dot com and you can get your
tickets and come see what we're all about with men
passionate about christ ministries. We would love to see you.
Check out our website facial facial check out our facials,
our Facebook and Instagram pages. I have never had a
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facial which leads me to another question. I'm gonna wait
till we signed off before I ask it. But anyway,
we will catch you guys next time. Hope you're Easter
was fantastic. We'll catch you next time on the custin
Christian Podcast. Until then, I am Trede, I'm Michael, I'm Brad.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
I'm Jeremy.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Now I'm the Custinians talking crippled.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
Yes, come on, So have you ever had a pedicure?
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yes? Yeah, foot massage? What about Gary?
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Had you ever had ah?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
No, I can't see you take it off.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
It up way more comfortable, that's the way one.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I've never had a pedicure.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Oh my god, before before your accident or your stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Did you have them all the time?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
You did?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Love them? They are good. But if you go by yourself,
that's weird. But if you go with your wife because
you're out and she's having the wine, I'm like, yeah,
I don't. I don't like you might touch on my family.
That's pretty fol
Yo, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are going to get real about men's issues, who
Jesus is and who we are as men in Christ.
We're gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the cousin Christians. All right, guys,
what is going on?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So?
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Me and Gary been spending a lot of time together
lately on the football field right everywhere.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Intense freaking individual I've ever watched he who was it
was it Henry or that had a cut on the
back of his neck and He's like, I didn't know
you had like a fourth and fifth gear to that
wheelchair man because it was like rolling across the field.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
I I got outdoor mode.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I just don't end up like the guy at Segue.
What that story right now? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
So the owner, the guy that created Segue, he created
the off road version, and he was taking a picture
of something and went backwards off a cliff on. Oh
my god, what a way to go on your own invention,
On your own invention.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I saw Gary in action.
Speaker 6 (01:15):
I went to go see his nephew play at Rockledge
High School first time, and Gary's parked in his wheelchair
and he's talking so much trash to the other team's
players and he's on the floor floor level, and the
kids turn around like he's bowing up to him, and
they turn around and they see him in his condition,
and Gary goes.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
That's right, I'm crippled. I'll kick your ass. We won, Yeah,
we did.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
But it's an honor to have our friend Gary joining
us today as we're recording this. Today is Good Friday,
and we have also begun our recordings for the Grace Experience.
Our buddy Matthew West is coming in to share with
us on May thirty first, to worship with us.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
We're gonna have some amazing.
Speaker 6 (02:05):
Stories of local people, Brevard County people, and one person
from down in Jupiter to give their revelation of Grace.
And through these interviews we've been doing the past two weeks,
it is just ignited in me. We we had two
here this morning before the podcast. Gary was one of
them given his revelation, and I just wanted.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
To go there.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
And you know, today is being Good Friday. Is the
day that made Grace or Grace made happen. I guess
is that the right way to say it made Grace?
Speaker 7 (02:41):
Grady in Make Made Grady Again got canceled. It's over
by six months, but.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
We uh, Gary just got off the video and we
had a buddy, Chris Johnson in. We had a couple
in last week that just gave these stories about how
God's grace through Christ, our acceptance of His grace through
our faith has changed everything about them. And there's a
lot of misconceptions. There's a lot of people that say
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grace isn't enough. And I just wanted to on a
day like today, we're here, six hours from now, if
we were in Jerusalem, you know, Jesus is gonna take
his last breath. I kind of wanted to go there today, guys.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
And it's just our.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Tagline is helping men discover grace, one man at a time,
men passionate about Christ.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And it all starts.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
It started with me with this Bible story. Paul had
the vision and then he screamed out the God three
times to remove this thorn. We don't know what the
thorn was. There's a lot of speculation, but it's there.
It's haunting him. And Jesus's response wasn't hey, Paul, come
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over here. I'm gonna pluck out that thorn. Hey, Paul,
I'm going to help you get past this. Hey Paul,
it was Paul. My grace is sufficient for you. Just
my grace. Focus on me, don't focus on the thorn.
Tell me about that time.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
When you were.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
You'd been a Christian for a while and it finally clicked.
Speaker 5 (04:21):
Yeah, I some I'm forty three, I think right now, Fish,
and I accepted Jesus when I was eleven years old.
Like I remember where I was, I remember the day,
I remember the time, and I even have a I
even have a timestamp of it. I remember coming home
from church and so excited to tell my parents what
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I had just done that we wrote it down in
a journal and I still have that, Like I have
the journal where it was, the day, the time, the location,
who was even preaching on stage in that moment, and
it was beautiful.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
But thirty five years old hits.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
And however many years ago, or however many years that was,
I'd realized at that moment that I went through a
little bit of an identity crisis, and I realized that
I had been taken on the faith of my parents
from eleven to thirty five.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I think a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Can resonate with that Europe in the church, and it's
just kind of what we do. It's we we're there
and when the doors are open. My dad was my
youth pastor, Like I had a front to put on.
But so because of that, I got really really good
at figuring out who I needed to be based on
who I was with I changed who I was. I
considered myself a professional chameleon. I chased the cheers of everybody.
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It was the only thing that was important to me
except for on Sunday mornings. I needed to be the
best Christian in the world with my hands held out.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
A good Christian when you go through the doors of
the church.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Baby so much.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
And I did that. And then when I was thirty five,
I just I hit the bottom and I didn't really
know who I was, who Christ was to me, who
Christ was in general, which sounds crazy coming from a Christian,
you know, for twenty something years, but taking on the
faith of my parents in the church and then realizing
in that moment what that was, and then it was
(06:07):
just this like revelation, aha moment for me that I'm
going to trade the pursuit of perfection, chasing the cheers
getting everybody to like me, trying to be perfect based
on your views of me. Trade that pursuit of perfection
for the gift of grace. And what that did for
me was let me be me for the very first
time in all of its glory, good, bad, and ugly.
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And if you didn't like it or not, Christ was
still crazy about me. And that is for the first
time thirty five years later, from the time I was born,
realized that Christ was crazy about me no matter what
I did. And that seemed like wishful thinking, but it
ended up being actually true.
Speaker 8 (06:48):
I think we have this mentality that somebody's got to
be punished for something, whether it's in the world or
whether you know. It's like you got to pay the
price for that. That's how I was raised, and that's
the message that was brought to me was you're not
good enough. You got to go do this, go see
the man in the box. You got to This is
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punishment and then you've got to repent of that. And
the grace message was excuse me was so life changing
for me because it wasn't about works anymore. It wasn't
about and the thing is that people say, well, it's
just given you a license to sin.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
Gary. It actually did the the.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
For me.
Speaker 8 (07:33):
It made me realize that I don't want to sin anymore,
and so it changed my philosophy on works and everything else.
That I can just rest and live in this total peace,
not all the time, but total peace with Christ, knowing
that this message for me is the most important thing
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that I've ever experienced. And so it's done the opposite.
And I've told you guys that before, So it is
life changing. When you were finally that light bulb goes
off and you realize what the grace message is really
all about.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
What's funny because the works message is actually easier until
it's not, you know what I mean? Yes, I can
do whatever I want, show up to the box, say
the prayers, get the lashings, whatever it is, and then
all of a sudden you do something you can't work
yourself out of.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
It is interesting, and now you need grace, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I think all of our stories like we didn't really
understand or grasp grace until we needed to, until something
happened in our lives that we're like, oh, man, like
I need to know this now you know, it became
real to us and like for me, life was good,
like same type of thing with Gary, growing up in
the church there three times a week.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You know, life was good.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
And I'd heard about heard about grace, heard about God.
But I was just like, yeah, you know, life's goods.
He's cool, like he's over there. But once once I
hit college and got my teenage girlfriend pregnant, all of
a sudden, it was like, oh, like I better get
my stuff together now. And that's and I really connected
with God and needed that grace, you know. Before that,
it was just like, well, I'm pretty good. So I mean,
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isn't it human nature that we don't grasp it until
something like we have a crisis of some kind mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I mean I don't know anybody.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Who just heard it and went oh that's cool, but
you know, and received it as usually hit rock bottom
and we do something, we go off the rail somehow.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Yeah, there's there's actually there's one line in a Mercy
Me song called The song is called wishful Thinking, uh,
and the line says, until you've tasted grace, how you're
going to give it away? Because we have the idea
of it, like we know the definition of it. I
think a lot of people don't.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
I think, I mean, I don't think I did as
a Christian growing up. If you'd ask me what the
difference between grace and mercy was, I'd have fumbled all
over my words. I until you've tasted it, you can't
give it away. You're just regurgitating more and more of
what you've learned or heard or think you should regurgitate.
Speaker 8 (09:56):
Because then our lowest point is when we felt it
the most as far or is the grace of Christ.
So I think when you've gone through those things, you're
able to give it more, at least I am.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
You know the coolest thing about Jesus's response to Paul.
He says, Paul, my grace is sufficient for you. And
this is the big thing. My power is made perfect
in your weakness, right, and then Paul goes on to say,
I'm going to boast in my weaknesses.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Now.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
Sometimes people will get turned off if you tell tell
them your flaws, or you tell them you're struggling, or
they don't know how to deal with that. And that's
the cornerstone of our ministry is come as you are.
I want to know you're junk, that you're comfortable sharing
and you know what, you're gonna get nothing but me
from grace. Our friend John Lynch wrote in his book
you Know he for the longest time he thought it
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was him standing there with a big ol'd polo stinky
sin and then Jesus on the other side tapping his
feet like, yeah, that kind of stinks.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
But he enlightened me through that book.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
He wrote the cure that Jesus said normally other side
of that sin, staring at it in disappointment. He's next
to me going, yeah, that's a big old pile of
stinky stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I got you back, Let's go.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
And how empowering is that in my weakest moment that
he is his strongest. It's like it's like God saying,
I am on inspiring, omnipotent, all power.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
But guess what, when you're.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
Weak, I'm gonna kick it up a notch almost. It's
gonna be You're gonna really realize it when when you're
in that pit. We had we had a gentleman share
with us last week as we're putting these videos together
for the Matthew West Night.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
He was in a pit? Wasn't he know? He was
in a pit?
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Given his story of grace after gigantic transaction trans uh
not transaction, transgression trans He transacted the transgression.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
But I mean rewind the rewind, but.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
A horrible transgression as a pastor, and he never understood
the word grace for fifteen years of preaching on a
pulpit until he went through the lowest moment of his life.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
There's a really cool real and social media and I'll
see if I can find it. Worry for you, Brad,
But it's got the waiting room in heaven. And there's
these two guys standing there and there's a scale and
the people walk up and they say, hey, I did this,
I did that, I you know, help inoculate babies in Burma,
like all this stuff. Right, they stand on the scale
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and the scale goes, you're not good enough, sends them
to the right or the left, and then all of
a sudden, this guy gets up. He hands them his
file and it's a huge file, and all of a sudden,
this guy is standing next to him and he goes,
he's with me, and he pushes the guy to the right.
He steps on the scale and the scale says, you
are perfect, and he steps right in. Come the guys Jesus,
And it's such a cool depiction of what it. I mean,
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probably is not going to be like when I up there,
but I mean, well.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
It's a great visual for people to understand that it
ain't what you do, it ain't what you've done, It's
about what happens. As we're recording this on Good Friday,
what happens.
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Yeah, so let's let's let's talk about that for a second,
because this is thinking Good Friday.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I know, like Jesus, Jesus, gosh.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
He did today knowing all the crap we were gonna do. Amen,
So why are we all pissy about it? Come on,
why do we not see it? Jesus knew that our
sorry selves were going to do what we were going
to do this morning or yesterday or the day before,
and two thousand year ago, years ago, still decided to
die for that, for what I did this morning. Yep,
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he died two thousand years ago is today, I can't
even know.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
It's a humbling thing we've walked through in all our
small groups this week, the day by day happenings in
Jerusalem this week, starting with Palm Sunday. And we had
a moment Wednesday night with our people.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
They need to compile that into a little study. Dude,
that was your writing is fantastic.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
It was, and we sent it out on the thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
The other thing is, I gotta say this. I'm gonna
bust your balls.
Speaker 8 (14:19):
He wrote one thing for Thursday and it said Monday Thursday,
and I thought he was making reference to a particular
movie that we just love. And so I told all
the guys, I said, guys, keep your mouth shut. Women,
I want you to tell me if you know what
this reference is. And so I said Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Wednesday,
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and he goes the Godfather.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I'm like, did you not.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Know?
Speaker 8 (14:48):
Then he tells me that that's really a word, Monday, Monday.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
I believe the origin is French and it means mandate.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
But I thought it was part of the Godfather mom.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Catholic.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
But every point though, every day this week, something of
gigantic significance happened. According to the prophecies of the Bible,
some thirty prophecies were fulfilled this week in Jerusalem.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
And today was Isaiah's day, you.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
Know, and Isaiah was what six hundred years yes prior, yes,
And you're right, Gary, do we grasp do we walk
around understanding the grace that resulted from today and the
power of it to our lives.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I don't listen.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
I think that Christ is so intentional about the words
that he shares with us. And then the scripture says,
he's you know, our sins are cast as far as
the east is from the west. R I think that
there is such a beautiful imagery there, because if you
think about that, why do and he say north is
to the south, Like, if you're going north, at some
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point you were then going to be going south. But
if you're going east, you're never not going east, right,
And that's how far he cast our sins. We remember them.
We beat ourselves up about him, We tell on each
other about him, We try to, you know, hold each
other accountable to him, as if that's our place, you know,
if you weren't asked to be that person in my life.
But Jesus is like, what are y'all talking about? I
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don't even see it. I don't even know I died
for that. Do you not get that? Like I died
for that part too. Yeah, my blood was good enough.
Are you saying my blood wasn't good enough? Oh my gosh,
are you saying, you know what, take me down off
the cross?
Speaker 1 (16:40):
How about that? Do I need to get back up
there and do it again?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:43):
I mean that's Those are the kind of things that
go through my mind.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
I mean I feel like we're doing it to him
every day. Yeah, we are driving that nail in his
hand every day by not believing him.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Right.
Speaker 8 (16:54):
Wow, we've experienced it, We've had that revelation. And this
is the whole reason that we do this. While you're
on stage talking about what you're talking about on a
regular basis, how do we get meant to finally have
that light bulb moment of revelation to totally understand grace?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
What is it? Is it getting to the.
Speaker 8 (17:14):
Lowest point where something happens that you talked about Brown?
Speaker 6 (17:18):
What is it connecting the dots on this message? I mean,
every every experience we've done, this is our six to
one has been had. Grace has been part of the word.
The first one that you inspired me to do with
Micah Tyler was walking free and grace. And that's that's
the next thing a question I want to ask, and
you just elaborated on it well as well as Chris
did in our videos earlier. How does grace free you?
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I mean how how they tell me? Man, you experience grace,
You experienced freedom? What what does that mean to you?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Gary?
Speaker 5 (17:49):
I think for me it means finally. So I was
gonna chime in on Mike's but I think these the
answer is the same for like, why is it? I
think men's kryptonite is our pride. Like one, we don't
want to admit that we need grace sometimes because we're
supposed to have it all together, We're supposed to have
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it figured out, We're supposed to be teaching our families
about grace. So I already I already know that already
have that or whatever the case may be. So I
think pride is our biggest downfall. And as men, scared
to raise your hand and say, yeah, this is where
I suck, this is where I failed, This is where
it's super easy to raise your hand and say me too,
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after somebody else was already brave enough to admit what
they're going through. And I have found by doing what
I get to do, every invisible struggle that I share,
man hands are flying up saying me too. But finding
that person that's brave enough to start the dominoes to
fall is where we need more men to step up.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Well, it's such a great ploy of Satan to keep
us bound in handcuffed, because if we keep dwelling on that, Gary,
if you keep dwelling on our sin and and the
stuff that we did, we can't move on in the spirit.
We can't do things for Christ because we're handcuffed. And
speak for yourself.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Don't worry. I'm sure they have enough cuff, but.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Enough cuffs or large cuffs.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Of course they wouldn't go all the way around your
back or seat belt.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
Never moment, carry no moment, brother, Gary, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
He keeps it. We can't.
Speaker 8 (19:34):
We can't listen to the spirit and do things for
Christ when we're constantly dwelling on And that's that's the
message of Christ.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
He tried so hard not to say it again. Just then, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Gonna say it, and you cut it off you want,
I'll just had this picture of you like trying to
run from the cops.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Well, just getting is flying everywhere. I can't keep those things, Okay,
I'm glad.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
We we uh, we had a We have a brilliant
man that meets with us on Wednesday mornings. At the
Sunrises names Dennis. He's a h ex military, was an
executive at elthree. Harris just an amazing guy. And we
were talking about Grace and we were talking about what
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what what y'all just brought up? And he, you know,
we got got to shame and he he says, you know,
I think Grace has empowered me to say, I'm never
gonna let something have dominion over me. And that's what
shame does. It tries to take.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Dominion over you.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
And I'm gonna allow Grace to have dominion over me,
and it frees up everything. It helps erase my regrets.
We all have regrets, we all have things we wish
we wouldn't have done. But it helps me frame those
regrets as learning experiences instead of Satan trying to turn
those regrets into guilt too and work down the line
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into a shameful state. So it's all about what what
What's if God? You know, God's omnipotent and awe inspiring
and everything else, why don't I let him have dominion?
His Grace have dominion over me? And that's going to
wipe out everything else.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
When we talk about how we as believers have the
total forgiveness, past present, future sins. And then we do
something to somebody that we hurt and they may not
necessarily necessarily be a believer. They look at us like,
you got to pay for that, and we're like, no,
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but that situation hasn't been rectified, and it hasn't been
So how do you get that message to somebody that
you've hurt and do they think you're arrogant by standing
in this message of grace and forgiveness.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
I think we have to differentiate to that person that
says that. You know, they say you got to pay
for it, and you go, what you know, in a
worldly sense, I am I'm paying the consequences of it
because my strained relationship with you or how that ripple
effect hurts somebody else my sin. I have regret, But
from the perspective of what Jesus does today on that cross,
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I know my slate is clean.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
I mean, if somebody's telling me I got to pay
for it, I'm going to tell them that I already
had a dad who did.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah, they got a rich daddy. Yeah seriously. Yeah, Well, I.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Think you brought up a point that's interesting because you know,
obviously today being today it was two thousand plus years ago.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Is the past present future?
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Since Grace covers that's a topic a lot of people
have a hard time with.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
But Grace doesn't work if it doesn't work in the future. Yeah, right, I.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Mean he died, like Gary said, he died on the
cross knowing who I'm going to be, where I'm going
to be.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Two thousand years from now.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
And he died on the cross for everything I did,
and that was in his future. Think about that, yeah,
and it had to be Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:02):
Yeah, I read something sometimes and this is one of
those cheesy Christian cliche lines. But when he was on
the cross, I was on his mind. And that leveled
me the first time I heard it, to know that
in his excruciating pain with his mother watching him, and
he was thinking about me, I'm going.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
To choose to believe that.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
Hey, he was in the garden thinking about you wanting
it to pass and not my will, but your will
be done. And so he still went to the cross.
Speaker 5 (23:35):
In the same like before he got here, didn't you think,
like he was like, Dad, do I gotta go?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Like I was actually gonna do that same question you
think in the garden when he was like he was
having his conversation. He's bleeding, and all these things are
happening from the like because he knows what's about to happen.
I don't think he was worried about the pain of
the cross. I think he was worried more about the
weight of sin, of sin and being separated from the Father.
I think that's why he was bleeding tears of blood.
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And he even asks, you know, hey, do I without
saying it this way and somebody will hate on me
for this, and I'm fine with it.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
But he's basically saying, hey, do I really got to
do this? Yeah? Like do you think he was having
that second thought or was he.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
More like confirming, Hey, I know I need to do this,
but I just want to make sure Dad.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
You know.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Well, it's like you know, Paul, Paul's let there's the
scripture we let off with Paul's scream and take it
from me.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Jesus said, take this cup from me in the garden.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
I mean, it's very reminiscent, right, And you're right, it's powerful.
I've said, in that garden at the base of an
olive tree in Jerusalem.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
That's right.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
You were there and it was the heaviest point of
the whole time. We were on our tour, and as
our pastor was reading the story about sweating like drops
of blood, and you're sitting there under the tree, and
you're you're on the down slope coming off the Mount
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of Olives, and then you have the valley and then
the hillside goes up and you can see the wall
of the old city up above you. It is heavy,
and I felt heavy last night as we were and
Wednesday night we were going through this in our small
group and they were I cried a little. There were
several people with tears, like, my gosh, this is heavy
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and powerful, and I go, I'm going it's supposed to be.
It's not about Easter bunnies and eggs.
Speaker 8 (25:35):
The revelation I had out of this whole Wednesday night
thing tray and I told you this at lunch yesterday.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
What happened.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
And it's only in John and when Peter cuts the
ear off the dude standing there, Okay, he would have
been in prison.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
He would have.
Speaker 8 (25:52):
Gone to prison for that. It's not been on the
cross or something. And all the guards were there. Everybody
witnessed it, and Jesus picked it up and heal them
and there's no evidence. And that's my that's the message
to me, Michael, there's no evidence.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Of whatever you've done.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
And that was the message to me through that. Ooh,
there's no evidence.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
That's awesome. Wow.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
What is a holy and a righteous and adjust God
to do with sin?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Like? What does he?
Speaker 2 (26:23):
How does he react to it? He can't let it slide.
He can't just be like, well, you know, I'll give
you a break this time. Like it has to be
paid for, it has to be covered. And so that's why,
you know, Jesus, the perfect sacrifice had to be done
because I think you know, we asked the like, is
there any way that it could have been avoided?
Speaker 6 (26:40):
Or Jesus, I get asked that a lot could this
cut pass for me?
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And It's like no, this sin. Sin is rampant and
it has to be dealt with. God can't deceive himself
like we can't. Right, We can bury stuff, we can
distract ourselves, but He doesn't do that, And so it
had to be dealt with right, and it had to
be dealt with blood because blood is life.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
And God's set that law up as the standard for
forgiveness was blood.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
So it's like, because of who he is, it had
to be done. We can't relate to that because we
can gloss over, we can deceive ourselves, and we've got
ourselves and we do it all the time. So it's
hard for us to reconcile that God had to sacrifice
his son, had to be the one.
Speaker 6 (27:19):
We know that sin had to be dealt with, and
God's promise was that it would be. So why don't
we just believe his promise came true? And why can't
Why is this so hard for us to accept this
free gift just based on our believing in our heart
confess them with our mouth. Why is it so hard
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for us in the Western world to say because a
lot of times you'll hear churches say, hell, okay, we're
all about grace and we're all about truth.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
And they don't mean a word of it.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Yeah, And when I don't hear it from the pulpit
much at all. You know, just in my life, grace
is the truth, right, it's not grace, but I need
to do something different, And we talked about that in
the videos earlier today. It's you know, why do we
try to put conditions on grace?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Thoughts everything that we do up until I mean throughout life,
we have to earn, we have to toil, we have
to work. And so all of a sudden, here's this
concept of grace that's free, that you don't have to
work for it anymore, and we don't.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Know what to do with that.
Speaker 8 (28:25):
Well, that was the message to Adam at the very beginning.
You will toil as a man, you will work, you
will toil whatever it is. And so I think that
that whole Old Testament philosophy is somebody's got to work
at something, and it's all about works. Whereas now the
grace message it's not it's not about what I have
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to do. It's about what Christ did, and even set
it from the.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Cross, it is finished. So go ahead.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Well, the interesting thing about what you're talk about, Adam,
is when did God telling me how to toil?
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Was before?
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yeah, so when sin entered the world, you have to toil.
Prior to that, there was no need for grace, so
that didn't exist yet, and.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
They were walking.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I love its grace is in. And now all of
a sudden, I know you just want to fight naked
all the time.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I do. Yeah, that's bring back naked again. Make naked
great again.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
But my point is you don't need you don't need
to toil prior to sin, So why do we toil
after we've taken grace and sin's been erased and now
it's been rased.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Yeah, I mean listen at the end of the day, Like,
if I wasn't the believer right now listening to this,
I would think that it's too.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Good to be true. So I have to work at it.
I have to do something.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
Society tells us the harder you work, the promotions you get,
the more money you make, the bigger family you have,
the bigger house you can get. I mean, society tells
us upside down in sideways that the more you do,
the more you get. And Christ is like, just breathe
and take a deep breath and.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Have a seat.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
I got it, room hered, just just chill out, bro, Like,
stop beating yourself up.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I died for that. I died for what you looked at.
I died for what you saw.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
And the fact that you're tearing yourself up about it
tells me that you do love me back, Because if
you weren't tearing yourself up about it, if you weren't
beating yourself up about it, then you'd be so apathetic,
like I'd be worried, Like what kind of narcissistic level
is that that you think that I can just get
away with this in my own being? But but Christ
is like, Man, I love that you're upset that that
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just happened, but you don't have to beat yourself up
about it. I love that you're upset and you're more
aware of it now and hopefully it won't happen next time.
But even if it does, I died for that time too.
But I think because I died for that, and because
you know that, and because I'm living inside of you,
you're not gonna want to do that anymore, which is
why you feel so guilty right now, because you didn't
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want to do that to begin with.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
You of exactly who you are and what that that
action you did is not who you are.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
He's just pointing it out to you, like, hey, this,
what what just happened yesterday? Just we just need to
redirect that a little bit. That's not that's not what
I have for you. That's not life. That's a death,
that's not life. So I just just look this way,
look over there.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
It's such an interesting point you think you're making, because
I'm just thinking, like as a new believer or a
misunderstanding believer, we'll say that because some people aren't new,
they just misunderstand that feeling of what conviction is. It's
not shame, it's not that's not God saying hey, you
did bad.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
No, he's saying hey, it's it's you actually saying hey,
I don't like that. For me, I don't like it.
I don't like that.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yes, yes, yes, that doesn't feel good now because I'm
I'm I'm perfect, and now it just lets something dark
inside of me, and my perfect being doesn't want it
in there anymore. It's not shame. God doesn't shame us.
That's why you send Jesus.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Always always cracked up.
Speaker 6 (31:57):
When cracked that's not the right word, but I always
always chuckle when I hear when I hear people say
you've got grace, but that doesn't give you a license
to sin anymore, you know. And I think through that,
and then I think, okay, so what are you saying it?
Did Jesus die today through his blood, you know, drained
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out of him? Did he die today so to ensure
I would never sin again?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
The rest of my life.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
You said the license of sin, It's it's the opposite, right,
It's the license to live. Yeah, sins death. Grace is
the license to live. And when you make the mistake,
you don't have to worry about it, right, Like, it's
the opposite actually, and.
Speaker 6 (32:40):
When you do sin, you have remorse. It bugs you
inside because that's not a natural part of who you are.
But you know, like you said it, you said it earlier,
and Chris Johnson said it as well. Is of course
I'm going to go do what I want to do
because grace changed what I want to do from the
inside out. I'm humbled and I'm in awe that the
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plan came together. And grace is an easy thing that
we try to make so hard. And I'm growing up
in the fist pound and pulpit and the churches I
went to. I never heard this message come. It was
always about behavior modification and just the six steps to
make sure you do this right from the Bible, and
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it's all great stuff, But I never heard God's grace
is more powerful than anything you can do.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
What did y'all hear?
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Being at church all the time, we just saw everybody
that was buttoned up. Everybody looked good, sounded good like
we were not vulnerable on Sunday mornings. It was all
about what you're supposed to do. I don't know, so
I think we learned that. And it's only when we
get into a small group like this that we kind
of open up and it's like, you know, I can
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process this with my brothers, we can pray about it,
and these guys are as real as is what I
feel like. You know, I grow up in the church.
I'm like, man, I got this issue. I can't talk
to anybody about this.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
You were mentioneding that earlier before we came on the
podcast with Chris, and you were trying to explain to
him about the podcast because we're going to have him
on as a guest one day. Yeah, and you were
saying that beautifully. Then this is the Friday night before Sunday.
We can really be real with each other, right, And
you're right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
So, I mean, growing up in the church, it's don't
do this, don't do that. And I didn't really hear
the grace message either, and I don't know, it just came.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
It was like this floating word that's kind of floated
around and we pulled it out at certain times, but
we put it back up on the shelf. And I
wanted to be the forefront everything we do with this ministry.
Every man we talked to, every event we do, it's
I want people to walk out going this grace things real.
It's changed these people. I want to know more. And
(34:51):
even through that suffering that he leads it off with.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
Even through all of the suffering that he leads it
off with, there's grace. And I thought it was too
good to be true until I started airing out all
of my dirty laundry.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Which took a while.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
It's just started airing it out, just started telling people,
oh my crap, everything that I've done. Now, I'm not
talking about standing at the corner with a billboard and
you know, proclaiming you're junk.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
For the world to see. But there's a couple people.
Speaker 5 (35:16):
In your life that can handle it, that is equipped
to carry.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
It for us.
Speaker 5 (35:21):
And as soon as I found the courage and the
strength of vulnerably vomit all over that to those specific
men in my life, I've never felt more loved in
my entire life. When I thought I would be judged
for the sharing of all of that, and to me,
that imagery, that picture is grace because I believe that
(35:43):
the men in my life that I share things with
that don't judge me but love me, I believe are
my modern day Jesus is that I get to talk
to face to face and here face to face with me.
So we are desperate for each other, to link arms
with each other, to cling onto each other, one man
at a time. And if we can just do that,
(36:03):
if we can just pick off one man for the
cause of Christ and keep Christ the center of attention,
and I think grace is going to become so real.
But man, we can't do it by ourselves. We can
fake it, we can try, we can put on our
boxing gloves and fight our way through it.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
But it's way easier to.
Speaker 5 (36:19):
Link arms and be vulnerable and not fight and just
accept this free gift.
Speaker 6 (36:25):
Last point Galatians two twenty. How often do we look
at the other guy we're talking with? That's Christ and Brad,
that's Christ and Jeremy Christ and Gary Christ and Michael
Christ and Garrett the mayor joined us tonight today for
this knowing how grace works, and we can look at
(36:49):
other people that are Christians. Knowing that the same spirit
that raised Christ from the dead is there and Christ
is actually in him. How does that free you to
to open up?
Speaker 5 (37:01):
I think that's what the identity crisis that I went through.
I was just me and then Galatians two twenty came
alive to me through my mentor and through my journey
of discovering all of this. Is that it's no longer
I who lives, but Christ who lives in me. So
this is Christ and Gary that's getting the opportunity to
speak here this morning. And Christ and Gary's going to
(37:25):
epically fail sometimes, but because of Christ in Gary, that's okay.
I don't want it fail. I don't want to mess up.
I don't want to do this or that, but I do.
Sometimes I do, and sometimes it is intentional.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Let's be honest.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
Sometimes listen, if sin ain't fun, you ain't doing it right,
they say, right, But gosh that the thirty seconds of
satisfaction or whatever you're doing in that moment just pales
in comparison to eternity. I don't want to treat my
God the way that I treated myself for the first
(38:03):
part of my life, like I just want to give
him the very best of me, and the beautiful part
of that is the very best of me is him.
So I just get to give him back a portion
of everything that he gave me.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
Then, Buddy, Amen, Well, great discussion for this day, Good Friday,
when you guys are listening with Easter would have already
come and gone. So we just pray that that time
with your families was fantastic and awe inspiring. And my
prayer is that others will listen, they'll understand, ask some
questions about grace, and you'll reach out to us and
(38:37):
email us. Go to our website Impactmistries dot org, mpact
Ministries dot org, click on the Little Brotherhood support page,
and we would love to hear from you about your
revelation of grace, what grace truly means to you, who
you are and who God says you truly are because
of His grace. We would love to hear from you.
And of course May thirty first is coming around the corner.
(38:58):
We're about six weeks or so away a from the
Matthew West Grace Experience.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Uh, the tickets are going. They picked up the past.
Speaker 6 (39:05):
Few days, as it always does, and so go to
the King Center dot com and you can get your
tickets and come see what we're all about with men
passionate about christ ministries. We would love to see you.
Check out our website facial facial check out our facials,
our Facebook and Instagram pages. I have never had a
(39:25):
facial which leads me to another question. I'm gonna wait
till we signed off before I ask it. But anyway,
we will catch you guys next time. Hope you're Easter
was fantastic. We'll catch you next time on the custin
Christian Podcast. Until then, I am Trede, I'm Michael, I'm Brad.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
I'm Jeremy.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Now I'm the Custinians talking crippled.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
Yes, come on, So have you ever had a pedicure?
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yes? Yeah, foot massage? What about Gary?
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Had you ever had ah?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
No, I can't see you take it off.
Speaker 6 (39:59):
It up way more comfortable, that's the way one.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
I've never had a pedicure.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Oh my god, before before your accident or your stuff.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Did you have them all the time?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
You did?
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Love them? They are good. But if you go by yourself,
that's weird. But if you go with your wife because
you're out and she's having the wine, I'm like, yeah,
I don't. I don't like you might touch on my family.
That's pretty fol
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