May 6, 2025 • 39 mins
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Do Christians still need to repent? Should repentance feel like a chore? Does fixation on forgiveness make us miserable? The guys break it down. Jeremy shares an incident where he combined Ballet and Football.
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Do Christians still need to repent? Should repentance feel like a chore? Does fixation on forgiveness make us miserable? The guys break it down. Jeremy shares an incident where he combined Ballet and Football.
#joerogan #podcast #mensministry #christianliving #biblestudy #cussing #charliekirk #joerogan #jasonwhitlock #fearless #menshealth #christianliving #vincevaughn #timtebow #christianmotivation #churchmemes #mensministry #promiskeepers #timtebow #patrickbetdavid
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yo, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are going to get real about men's issues, who
Jesus is and who we are as men in Christ.
We're gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the Coussin Christians.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
All right, guys, what is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
It was Pezzo before the oh on Wickham. Yeah, I
know where that is. It's truly amazing. Yeah, it's it's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
You know how like you talk about, hey, where do
you want to go tonight? You want to get a Mexican?
You know, we always say that kind of thing. Well,
there's a there's a place in Merritt Island that we
go to a lot and Marguerite Island.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
It's over in the mall. I've seen it. I've never been.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
It's just like our favorite place there. But we do
carry out there a lot. And so a couple of
weeks ago I went over there to pick it up
and the girls like, oh, thanks for ordering, blah blah blah,
and I almost said you are our favorite Mexican on
the island. Almost said it, but I was like, man,
I probably wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I've been corrected a couple of times about talking about
that Mexican restaurant we went in Mexico. Do you call
it a Mexican restaurant in Mexico? That's right, just a restaurant.
It was called Los Manchies.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I got that's.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
What happens at three am. Have you smoked a dude? Right,
Lost Manchies.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
But it was it was that burrito was like that
big and it was like two bucks.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So good. It was so good, man. I love to
do it. Good.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
Go ahead, you love what I love going to like
those like places that are like super local and it's
like whenever I'm traveling somewhere and it's like fifty cents
for a whole meal, you know what I mean. But
you might get sick, but you're not really sure, but
it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Dude, your legend. Oh yeah, yeah, two people.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Old timer had had a farm, huge farm, huge cattle farm.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Great guy, believer. We talked about Jesus whole time. Was there.
You gotta be careful, you know, I just I don't
go into that. You're in West Virginia, it's a little
more common. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Anyway, I said, I got a friend of mine we
do this podcast. Uh he went to West Virginia. He's
all Americans named Jeremy Chef, Jeremy Cheffy.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
He said this is what he said, That boy done
West Virginia good. And I said yeah, he said, I
sent my kids there. And I've watched West Virginia football
since I was little. Because his great great grandfather got
the land and when he fought for the Civil War,
they got two hundred fifty acres. That's what the government
(02:37):
game after they stopped fighting, and so this he bought
more than that.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
But anyway, just a great conversation. And then.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I was making appointments and I called this guy. We
just started talking and I told him about the podcast
and and Jeremy Cheffy, yeah man, And I go yeah,
and he goes that dude was quick as hell. You
what was your Did they do the forty for you?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
At the three twenty? I ran a four eight. Nice,
you're in a four eight. That's fantastic. Whoa yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
But he graduated at West Virginia the same time you did.
He was he's your anged. I think he's thirty eight,
thirty nine something like that. I wonder if I know him, well,
I can't say it. I'll tell you all fair. Yeah,
but his first day's Patrick Pector. If you're listening, chef,
he's ready for to meet Patre.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Was there a picture Jeremy hanging up at Denny's, Yeah,
in front of the Grand Slam breakfast I had of
him at once. Somewhere there might be I don't know,
Grand Slam Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeahs. It's an amazing state.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Great I mean I grew up across the border from
it in Kentucky, and you know you're either w or
your marshall uh or if you lived in Kentucky, UK.
But Man is amazing state, great place, great people. I mean, yeah,
very very I mean we were the pro football team
right like for West Virginia w U.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Is it like so they have none else that?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
No great people. I appreciated that and everybody supported us.
It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Dude. I was in some areas where there was some
bad music.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
This one dude lived on Party Street, pretty street, Party,
you got a perty easy street.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Well it's funny is if you tell somebody your fishing
on Laurel Creek, they have no idea where you're fishing
at because there's like seven hundred of them.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Oh, yeah, Laurel's crazy down of Laurel Creek GPS.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I won't have a clue.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
There was like, there's places in West Virginia that don't
see the sun till around eleven am.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, and I was. I was because the mountains.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Yeah, if you're down the valley, like you know, about
around eleven you'll see the sun and by two it'll
be gone again.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I was there.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I went to the end of a road and I
couldn't go anywhere. It was a creek and you were
up in a holler. I was, yeah, I was so
and I didn't have any cell. You imagine if you
fall off the side and everything's like this, if you
fall off.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You have no cell. So I had no cell guardrails,
no guard rails.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So I had to go back up the hill and
call the guy. And actually it was the farmer guy,
and I said, where are you at? He said where
are you at? And I told him. He's like, you're
forty minutes away from me, And it happened. It was
there was like east and west east and west east.
He was actually five minutes from our hotel room. And
I drove forty minutes and get to the end. I
(05:15):
showed you the picture that yeah, boom it stopped. There's
a crick yep.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Wow, Yeah, that's West Virginia up the creek.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
I mean we used to kiss your ass turns because
when you go down the hill, you can kiss your
asses you go around.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I mean it's uh.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
And what's crazy is when the coal trucks are going
up down the same roads and I don't know how
they do it. Oh, I mean it's wild, yeah, because
you ain't there's no two lanes. No, it's like bide
enough for a car and a half and you just
kind of got to side. Which side of the How
close are you going to get? I mean we used to.
I mean even in Kentucky. I grew up on that
far off and I busted my truck. We brought bust
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our our mirrors all the time. You drive down the
road and just smack them because you're so close and
you don't even stop, you just keep going. Both of
you know you're both not a fault. It just as
what it is.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
The rocks and and yeah, the cliffs. Yeah, it was crazy.
I'm ready for some Criderman zone.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Man.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I missed my yeah man barbecue back in action. Today.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
We got a crew coming to everybody was responding back on.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
The speaking of barbecue.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Do flies feel the same way as we do when
they fly through a fart like we drive through a
barbecue restaurant.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I was just thinking about that. You weren't thinking about that. Oh,
I'm sure he was. You need to go back on
the road. Man.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
As you were sitting in the cloud of your own
filthy you're probably thinking about that.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
That's what it was. He was driving on the road
hot boxing himself. I thought about that last night. Just
four guys sit around being guys think about it's the
same premise. It was so different last week when we
had a guest on and.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
We had beautiful staceyach Division sitting here and pretty spiritual.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, we Donna was sitting over there.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
We had women in here, and it was it was
now we're talking about flies and farts and.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Welcome back to barbecue, Sa barbecue Saw. You can go
on to the creek craik Uh. It's a creek I
called crik.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
It's a crik back where I grew up, Southeast Texas's
called a bayou.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
That's a whole nother thing. You know.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
It's funny. My accent and words I say. They'll change
depending who I'm around me too, Like if I'm like
back home in Kentucky or West Virginia and I'm talking folks, like,
I'll get a more Southern accent, absolutely, and I'll say
words that I don't say normally.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
I can I can hear it, Like with my wife
when she calls and talks to her dad on the
phone and up into jer Jersey. All of a sudden,
she's got Jersey coming out of her mouth, and I
think she says the same thing. When I'm talking to
my dad or my relatives back in Texas, I slow
down a little bit.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
You know, when we bring people over from India, they'll
lose accent as they start to be around Americans more
like it will get less and less.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, since we're talking about Indian accents. Okay, back when
we were still living at the condo Cocoa Beach, we
had to call his a tech tech support call for something.
I don't know what it was, but you know where
most of those calls go. So I'm talking to this dude.
He's got a heavy accent and.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
You can hear in the background it's like, really buzzing
behind him.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah, And so he's like, well, you know, let me
send you this, and I'm like, okay, what's your address?
Uh you know, I said, blah blah blah, Cocoa beach,
Coco bitch, Like Cocoa beach, Ocean beach, boulevard. He's like, okay,
I will send it to a ocean bitch, Coco bitch.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I'm like, no, it's cocoa beach. Send it to the beach.
Spell it be. That's what I said. So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I don't know if I don't know if you could
ever say beach. But I just appreciate, the appreciate the
differences that we have. I'm sure if I spoke their langas,
i'd say things in a funny wall.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
You laugh out. It's all great.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
We have a common friend that kicks in his and
he grew up in in Well it was Joseph. He
over and he can turn on that stuff so fast
to go to speak, rolling on the floor.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It's good. So lady, lady, so good.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yeah, here's the deal man. It was on the heart,
on my heart. A couple of things went down this week,
and first off, at our small group two nights ago
we we baptized two people, and so we had and
both of these ladies, amazing people had been had been
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sprinkled as a child in the Catholic church, and they
were do I let this go? I feel guilty. And
we just had an amazing hour of discussing baptism and
what it means. There were twelve fifteen people there, and
then we went outside and I played a little Zach
Williams music set the mood for his song Baptized, which
is so you know, it's all so awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I would have played the Jaws music, but then I.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Got I got this, and I want to to start
us off talking about this because that word repent and repentance,
a lot of people thinks the means a lot of
different things. And and so this came to a brother
from not from here, He's from another place. He says,
I feel like I have to repent and earn forgiveness.
(10:19):
I'm really struggling with understanding and receiving the free gift.
And his blood poured out from me. Why would someone
else pour out their blood for me? How does my
heart receive such a message, and why does my mind
be dominated by wanting to continuously think about repenting and
doing things my own way and surrendering and receiving the
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truth of this free message. Why does it seem like
it's so much work? So he's he's taking this word repent,
you know. I mean, you look at the Greek. It
means a heart change, you feel bad about it, you know,
and return, you know, we're away from it to that.
That's I'm on the fence on that, really. But the
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way repented, the word repent or repentance is throughout the Bible, Testament,
New Testament, everything else turn away or turn two, I both,
and I'm I'm growing into the fact that what if
I forget to repent about a sin? And this is
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where this guy is. He's trying to make an inventory
of his sins every night so he can look at
the Lord and say, I feel bad about this.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
And I said, what do you forget one?
Speaker 5 (11:32):
And he's talking about how it's it's it's more it's
turning in to be more of a struggle for forgiveness. Uh.
And I feel like I'm trying to check the box
to get there through repentance.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And I just kind of.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Wanted to open up this discussion because he's in a
he's in a mindset of he's kind of bound. Where
as you become a Christian, repentance becomes a part of
who you are.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Naturally, does that make sense?
Speaker 5 (11:59):
And I wanted to open that up because there's a
lot of Bible scripture throughout the Old and New Testament
about about repenting and turn into Jesus. And I just
wanted to open that up to you guys, is how
do we make out with this word repent in the
Christian world today?
Speaker 6 (12:18):
I think one thing to keep in mind though, is
as you read the Bible, these are letters, right that
are especially the New Testament. It's all letters which Paul's
writing the Corinthians or whoever, right, So like it's instructions
a lot of times. So when he's saying repent over
and over and over again, he's not necessarily talking to
the Christian every single time. He's talking to the non believer.
Very good point, So he's not saying you got to
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repent every single time. I don't think, I mean if
to your point of I mean, what's the point in
Jesus if I have to remember every sin and check
a box or if you forget them? That's what I mean, Yeah, yeah,
that was that was the law. The law was, Hey,
you have to repent, kill a goat, kill a dove, whatever.
The deal was right, and that'll forgive your sin. But
then you walk out, you look at a woman and
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one dirty thought you I go back to the temple
and repent again.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
And do I have to keep repenting to maintain my salvation?
Well that's what I'm There's a lot of people in
the Christian world that it's required of me. I'm up
on the ladder with Jesus and then if I don't
do one, I'm coming down a notch and I'm coming
down a notch. You know.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It's it's an interesting conversation. What's the point in him
coming here? Though?
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Like it defeats the whole purpose of his blood and
what it did for us, right. I mean, I'm not
saying you shouldn't pray and say, hey, God, you know
I had immoral thoughts today. You know I'm sorry for that,
and you know, can you help me with that? Can
you convict my heart more?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Whatever?
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Whatever you want to say to you know, it's your
your deal. But it's so simple to me, and maybe
I'm just that simple. I just I don't want it
to be complicated. You are a simple man, I really
skinned anyway.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Like Jeremy said, I think as a spirit lead to you,
you may you may want to spend time I don't know,
praying about something he did, but not I mean repentance.
You repent when you're accepting Jesus into your heart. It's
not like you said, it's not an everyday thing where
you have to do it or else like your salvation can't.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
And that's kind of the angle this guy was coming from.
He just felt like this was a chore of anytime
you put a chore on there for Christ, you got
a problem and it became this I'm not doing enough
type thing.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Well, and your earlier point is it always about turning
away from something, because then you become so focused on
what do I have to turn away from? I'm turning
away from this as opposed to Christ. Is the focus
turning to Him and turning you do that. It kind
of takes care of the other thing, exactly care of
the turning away because you're turning to Him, and so
you're not always focused on the sin what you can't do.
(14:42):
It's more about I'm in a relationship with Jesus, and
he's changed what I want, So I'm not focused so
much on what I can't do what I did.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Do you know what I mean? It's just like every
day repenting.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I asked you yesterday, how many time does it repent
show up in a Bible in a New test over
a hundred times.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And I looked it up. The Hebrew word for repent
It should have s h u v should have to
turn away from return. It's a verb, okay, So it's
a it's a physical thing. Verb is an action word
for me, okay, personally to turn away from to return.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I feel and getting religious. You hear it from the Paul.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
But so many times you must repent, you must repent
your sins. Yes, and there's nothing in the in the
New Testament says I have to ask for forgiveness. It's
not there. It's not there because it was, it was
covered by the blood. So the same with with repent repentance.
I guess as in my heart, I turn away from
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whether that's scantily clad woman or something on TV or
you know, I'm gonna turn away from that. It's a
physical thing for me to do. And that helps me
in my walk with Christ. When I do that more
and more and more, the errols don't seem to come
as often. But when I indulge it and I go
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for it and saying, goes Ah, got you. Let me
keep throwing this at you. Let me keep throwing this
at you. So it doesn't happen because I return. And
you said you had a problem with it with the.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Now it's just you're right, And that's the Hebrew. And
you think about John the Baptist. His message was repent,
but he's talking about the law, repent of your sin,
turn to God and guess what, someone else is coming.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But this is gonna take on a whole new meaning.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
I can't even tie the guy's shoes, right, So you know,
everything John the Baptist doing was according to the law
and paving the way for Jesus to come. And that was, hey,
quit sin, and dude, repent, repent. But in the context
of Jesus's birth or death resurrection, does repent.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Take on the meaning of turn away or turn to him?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And what does it mean when John was saying that
to him, how were they supposed to repent? What were
they supposed to do follow the six hundred and thirteen.
He's screaming it at him. Yep, they weren't able to
do it. They'll be right. So that's just even more ammunition.
I think for the.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Cause of the Gospel, of the law was set for
us to realize. I got to have help. I can't
do this on my own. I need a savior and
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
If the Gospel throws you into a state of guilt,
then there's something.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
There's something wrong with it.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
And this guy that wrote us the letter was talking
about that, and I said, dude, it sounds like you're
really bound here. The good news of the Gospel is
be immersed or baptized in Jesus' name of Jesus Christ,
you too will have the Holy Spirit. That's actual Chapter two,
verse thirty eight, I think. And I said, I said,
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does that sound like something that's binding to you? That
sounds like something that's freeing to me. And we kind
of went through those type of conversations. And I try
to tell he said, I've been repenting and repenting and
repenting and repenting until my repent's falling off.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
And I said, dude, the fact that you have a
repentive heart tells me you're in a pretty good place.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
No kidding, right, yeah, it hurts, right, I mean it's
I you're not what you used to be, so you've
started doing those things you used to do. I'm not
going to let it feel good. You're putting a perfect
being in a non perfect situation. God can't be there,
so he's the Holy spirits wrestling around in there because
at the end of the day, you're not where you're
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supposed to be, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And how do you?
Speaker 3 (18:40):
And and I don't want to make this sound religious
because it shouldn't be religious. And that is how much
time is he spending on the other side, I mean
in prayer with me, it's Christian music or podcasts or
I mean, what's feeding his soul.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
At this particular point in his life.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Is he doing these things that are feeding into death
or is he doing these things that are feeding into life.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I genuinely think, just based on knowing him, that he
is he is. He's coming to his knees a lot,
and and it's time to stand up.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And looking for it.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
So he he just felt his heart when he shared
with us the other day was I just I keep
saying the same prayer, I keep repenting of the same stuff,
and I just don't feel is God really hearing me?
Is there something else I need to do because it
ain't working? And then that's the conversation you got to have,
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like and Rudy where the past The priest says, Rudy,
there's two things I know in life.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Number one, there is a God and number two, I'm
not him.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I'm not And if you're feeling this and you're feeling
repentant of it inside, that's a great sign.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Keep it up.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
But his folk keeping up so much on that, but
his focus is so laser being done sure, and it's
like he's like.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
He's like approaching this as a behavior modification program instead
of a relationship that's going to grow through Christ, which
in turn changes your behavior. Is he married widow or okay, widower?
So there's some things there going on. You know that
she he lost her to cancer and it wasn't it
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wasn't pleasant.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But stuff I don't know.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Just we never talk about this word of repentance, what
it means, what it doesn't, what the misconceptions are. I
grew up in a church that was repent me.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Don't go sin no more?
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Right, do you believe in Jesus, you better repent and
don't go do it anymore?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Well, and every night I ask for forgiveness for my
sins every night, every night, every night. But like you
guys always say, what if you forget one? Then what
I mean, Jesus covered it all. I know, once and
for all. The sacrifice was made, so it's not gonna
it shouldn't be a burden for us to every day.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Okay, did I did?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I confess that one thing that when I ran I
read light that I confess that.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
If not, I'm screwed.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
And there's a lot of people that are listening to
this that we're going to get fired at because they're going,
wait a minute, but I'm sorry, well great grace has changed, Yes,
my whole outlook.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
But I don't think we're saying don't say sorry right
right because I do. I mean I usually do it
in the moment because I'll feel the conviction.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I'm abs sorry about that than that normal.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Yeah, it's a relationship thing, right, But like I also
a lot of times in my head I'll do something
stupid and I'll be like, oh, thank you, thank you,
thank God I got you. You know what I mean, Like,
I literally will say thank you instead of I'm sorry
because in my mind that I repented once, I only
had to repent once, and I accept you in my heart.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
That doesn't mean I wouldn't say I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I turned to you, Jesus, But I just I'm like,
good thing I got you. Otherwise I wouldn't be getting
through this one. You know what I mean, like exactly,
and that's repentance. Well that that is the definition of
repentance with Jesus.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Is what you just said. You recognize it, right.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
And I've told you guys this story that I used
to make stuff up in the confessional to the priest.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
For the shock. Wow. Oh really? Oh yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
And people people ask me from the small group, what
did you used to say?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I'm like, I ain't going there because how many unneeded
Hell Marys did you have? I would?
Speaker 6 (22:17):
I mean, because it's like I mean, I could be like,
you need one thousand and one Hail Mary's and our
fathers to get out of this one.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
You knew the stuff one? Yeah, if you knew the
stuff I made up, and I'd look through this to
see see his reaction.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, I'd be like, and there's this pause, And I
knew the one priest set would if I went to
Father Schooler, he'd be like, he'd call it bullshit. But
Father Bartel was like he was an old coach, and
he'd be like, and I can just see the wheels
tumbling while he's listening to me, like.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
He called for backup.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
There's no wonder cads like preeze to drink a lot
after after Michael. After Michael comes in, I'm gonna bust
open the buffalo trade.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
So you imagine what they did like after So you know,
after the service, all these priests and altar boys or
whatever they're learn in the back.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
You'll never believe.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
I know it's supposed to be anonymous, but this guy,
Michael Thomas came in the high booth today. You got
to come sit in here with me next time. You
hear it if you were only a fly on the wall.
So I don't know if Jesus can get hit him.
That's how.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Me and I was. I mean, I was just I
had a lot of energy. It was entertainment for you.
It was like an entertainment thing, like because I didn't
believe it. I didn't believe it back then, might as
well make it worth my time.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I know that's so funny, but anyway, So for someone
that's kind of struggling like this guy was, and he's
actually struggled to the point of is my salvation secure?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And that's a dangerous spot.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
I think if you can if you get to that
thinking that, oh, yeah, but you didn't you three days
after the sin, you remember you did it?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Oh you forgot to do that one trey once.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Once you believe the Holy Spirit in dwells, the power
of that overrides everything. And I just I think we
made him feel better toward the end of the day
in these discussions where he just this constant focusing on
behavior in his life led him down a trail of
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just totally misunderstanding and warping what salvation means. Believe in
your heart, confess with your mouth that Jesus Lord and
you too will be safe.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
And to be clear, we're not saying that you never repent.
We oh no, you know, I come to Jesus, you
have to repent. But this whole focus on every single
day and it's it's making him miserable. And you know,
also the focus on maybe losing my salvation. Yeah, I
mean the fact that he's concerned about it tells me
that he is a Christian.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, he has the spirit living within him.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
But Satan, I mean that's the only Like he can't
take you anymore, but he can distract you, and he
can make your life miserable by focusing on am I
going to lose my salvation?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
That? Are I pent enough today?
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Like those are just I don't know the things that
Satan does to get us off track.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, I totally agree. And as we've tried to position
you know, this topic and talk about through it, we
have some enlightening moments from the other brothers in the room,
and I really I felt like this guy had some
weights being lifted from his shoulders.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Like, Okay, I.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Focus on who he is and the grace he gave
as my repentance, and I if I'm hurting on the inside,
it's totally cool to have a you know, have a
chat and and pray through that with the Lord because
that frees you. Sure, it takes the pressure and the
load off you, because Jesus already bore that pressure two
thousand years ago.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
We have a mutual friend that we're trying to steer
and the YouTube and the cell phone and the internet
has totally.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Screwed with people's heads because you can.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Go there and find if you look hard enough, you're
gonna find, especially on web md or you know, it's like, oh,
I've got that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Oh, I've got that. Oh. If you're trying to web
md your salvation, you're in trouble. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
So we try to steer him back to the fact
that he is a new creation, he is God's child,
you know, focus on those things. And I always tell him,
I say, flip the switch. Flip the switch. Go from
this to this experience what Trey and I have experienced,
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and obviously you know you guys as well.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
But it's like, come on, flip the switch.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
I don't try not to beat myself up anymore. I
just the blood worked. I'm gonna move forward and through
what I just did, I'm going to probably learn not
to do that again.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
You know, does that that makes sense? Yeah? Well?
Speaker 4 (26:50):
And also when you think about Jesus again, his sacrifice
once for all, and he said it has finished, how
do you think he feels when he sees Christians still
worrying about their salvation and worry about whether they confessed
enough sins that day.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
You know, He's like, man, I paid for all that,
That's all covered.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Like, why are you still wasting time and emotional energy
fixating on those things.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I just want to because you know, the script and
the joy of the Lord is my strength. I truly
believe that that is my strength daily, the joy of
the Lord. And when I have the joy of the Lord,
the Holy Spirit's able to do things through me instead
of worrying and being in a state of fear. In
a state of worry and a state you can't do anything,
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you're not any good for the Lord.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
And I got to share this. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Anyway, we had all these so many claims, so many claims,
and the last we kind of knew we were going home,
kind of felt that we had to figure out whether.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
We were done.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
And my boss says, hey, there's these two. They're right
up the road. They're coming in at four. I'd like
to be able to shut the trailer down, you know.
Can you go look at him? And I said, yeah,
And this is how God works. Okay, last day, last inspection,
and I go to this house and I walk up
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there's the suburban's running. There's a lady in the vehicle
and I walk up and she rolled down the window
and the look on her face was like mf R.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And I was like wow. She goes, are you with
the roofing company?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
And I'm like no, I said, I'm with my company
and she said, oh, I thought you were some We've
had fifteen yel for you here to talk to us about.
So anyway, I got to talking to her and she's
a social work and she's talking about this little three
year old that she's fostered for the weekends and she's
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got three boys. Her husband and her have three children.
The youngest one is ten. And she starts talking and
she said, I go to my colleagues because they pray,
and I asked them to pray for me in order
to give me a decision about whether I should take
this out on full time as a foster child. And
she said I turned Catholic because my husband's Catholic and
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I've never And I was just like listening to her, going,
Holy cow, if you knew how simple it is to
go to the Lord and have that relationship and the
freedom that you have in that And she's talking she said,
I don't know what to do. I said, I'm in Tormol.
But she started talking about this little girl, and she
started talking about the positive things about it, and I said,
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it sounds like you already have your answer that you're
supposed to take this child.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
So I'm here.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I am going to drive with her people all over
the place and in this neighborhood. I grabbed her hands
and I said, let's pray about it. And the scripture
that came out for her was the steps of a
righteous and I put it this way, the steps of
a righteous man or woman are ordered of the Lord.
And I said, I think you've got your answer. But
my whole point with that is is that she can go.
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We have one mediator between God and man, and that's
Christ Jesus. She could have gone there, but she was
relying on her friends to pray for her. She was
really she couldn't get an answer, and I said, you
need to just ask yourself what he wants.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You to do.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
And then when I left, I said, I think you
already have your answer. But that's how it works, last day,
last vehicles, everything, Okay, I didn't really. I had a
couple experiences with you know, people that knew you chef,
and but nothing really that spiritual. But that was so
important for say and I told her, I said, this
isn't a coincidence.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
This is not a coincidence for me to be here
to do this.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
And but my point about that is if I would
have been in turmoil and I was like, I want
to get home, you know, I'm sick of this crab,
I'm you know, because it's hard.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It's really hard to do. It takes a toll on
you physically and mentally. But I didn't. I was still
open to it, and the Holy Spirit was able to
work through me. And I don't mean to be buttering
my toast, but it's like, that is how God.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Works if you're open mind instead of worrying about all
them that's going on in your life.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
No, that's an awesome story, great testament. We're doing this
Bible study right now in my small group about silent prayer,
and it's kind of what you're talking about here, is
how do I get my answer right? Because a lot
of times we pray, but it's we don't listen right.
And that's the whole point is it. You know, take
start out with one minute a day, like in your
whole day, just take one minute, shut everything down, breathe,
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and just listen and just let God connect, Like just
be in the now, letting God connect with you. And
then eventually you work it up until whatever you can
fit into your schedule. So, I mean one of the
guys in our group, his goal was eventually do ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
That's cool.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
If you want to do ten minutes, to do ten minutes,
you want to do thirty minutes, do thirty minutes. But
like taking that time to listen back is kind of
the whole point, right, is like not asking God for anything,
not thanking God for anything, but just listening. And it's
pretty cool actually, like because I used to do it
more and I stopped doing it because my schedule got
busy and I start you know what I mean, yep,
and then you get out of the habit. And I
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thought it was a good reminder that we started this
week to study and they're sitting there for a minute,
just shut everything down, close your eyes and just listen.
And I think sometimes that's where you get the answer, right,
I mean.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
It's almost like the Holy Spirit's winking at you, going, yeah,
I'm giving you that feeling inside it's me, hey, turn
to me, and then the other you know, the other
scripture about you know, when you don't know what to pray,
or if you're in that much turmoil, think about how
you're praying now as a Christian. You're praying through the
Holy Spirit that lives inside your body. And it even
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says the Holy Spirit will groan for you. If you
don't know or if you're in so much to spirit
you don't even know what to pray or how to pray,
Holy Spirit does for you. So that being quiet peace,
and this this friend that sent us that note just
about how he's really caught up and covering everything because
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the salvage he feels the salvation might be at stake
or whatever, and he's struggling excepting this free gift. Those
are kind of words of encouragement that the same spirit
that raised Christ and the dead lives in you. So
let him do his work. Let him do his work man,
Let him Let him remind you of man that wasn't
good for him today. Bro, you know, let him remind
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you that that's not who you are, but how you
looked at her lust fully or that's not who you
are about those thoughts that were going through your mind
and you're thinking about acting on them.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
That's repentance in his purest form.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Do you guys hear the Holy Spirit talking to you
like in your own vernacular? I'm just curious because I do,
because I literally will hear him be like, dude, what
the f?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Like?
Speaker 6 (33:39):
All right, you're better than that? Like, No, it's true.
That's how I hear it. And he's talking to me
the way I would. That's what I would talk to you.
We're walking on the street and he did something to
be like, what the dude?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
What is it? Yeah, that's how I hear. I get it.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
I hear him as a little more authoritative than a buddy,
but maybe a senior mentor or maybe I should go there.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I don't know. Well, I don't get me wrong. Sometimes
he drops the dad voice on me.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Yeah, that could be a stand up comedy you know
Christian comedy stand up act right there?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
What voice? Do you hear? I had a lot of
coaches that talked to me that way too, So I
mean it's and you're able to receive it that way. Yeah,
do you think about it? Trey probably couldn't receive it
that way.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
And you said, well, I mean, you know, you were
in a situation growing up and being this athlete that's
a lot better than everyone else, and you're, oh, you're
exposed to until you're twenty five, twenty six years old
or big time coaches, right, And I can see where
you you might relate it like that.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Or your dance instructor when you were dancing.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
See Vaughn would have got on me. Trust me, Jeremy, yep, yeah, no, no,
this way. That's why you ran a four to eight
because the damn yeah man, Yeah, there's Actually in high school,
I did a grangee over a pile ofment and made
a tackle.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
It's on the video of something what is a leap?
My hands were even in the we got that. Do
you have that photograph? I know I don't.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
It's somewhere. I mean, it's in the All's somewhere.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Know.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
This would be high school, Denny's and West entertain When
I was a freshman, I did a kip up, which
is where you flip from your back to your feet
and after tackling a guy, and my coach is like, hey,
you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
That's way too cocky. I was like, I'm still I
was like, I wasn't being cocky. I was just getting up.
It's hilarious how to get out of bed every morning.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Just when you start clicking, it starts the light bulb
start clicking off in your brain.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
About turning to.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Jesus instead of focusing on how bad you've been and
turn and saying I'm going to try to turn from that.
You know, Paul says that where the law bounds sends
a bounds more. When you start focusing on that kind
of stuff, guess what you're probably gonna send more well.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Good discussion.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
I believe that this guy was trying to make repentance
kind of like a little bit of an idol type thing.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I'm going to be focusing on repenting all the time.
And you know, our words to him were, Dude, you're
in a great spot.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
You don't even know it. You're hurting inside because of
where you are. Listen to who's letting you know that.
It's not a condemnation thing. It's like, dude, that's not
who you are. Focus on me, focus on my grace
is sufficient, and well.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
That's I think that's where people, you know, they have
a hard time I mean, think about it. The thief
I'm across next to Jesus, he didn't have time to
get repent again and all that. I mean, he literally
died moments after accepting Christ for being Christ. I mean,
and people, I mean, I've heard people say, oh, you
got to get baptized, you got to do this, you
got to do that. Like no, I mean, no, you don't.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
I mean, it's a great it's a great thing to do,
but it's not it's not salvation dependent.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, great discussion. What are your thought?
Speaker 5 (37:00):
So are you struggling with repentance what it truly means?
Are you looking at repentance as turn to Jesus instead
of behavior modification and knowing that Jesus is going to
modify your behavior through the grace that he gives and
our focus on him. So we'd love to hear from you.
This was a direct note to us that we wanted
to open up the discussion today on this topic. We
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had a cool thing with baptism this week too, but
we're going to talk about that next time or another time.
Because we had two amazing ladies that they were baptized
just two nights ago here in Florida that We're really
caught up in a lot of the things that you
were caught up in growing up and your religious atmosphere,
and we'll get to that. But with that said, guys,
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we are four weeks away from our next big event,
Matthew West at the King Center, Melbourne, Florida. Get your
tickets at Kingcenter dot com. Come on out and celebrate
and worship and celebrate God's grace with us with Matthew West,
one of the most accomplished Christian singer songwriters you'll ever know.
And I had a conference call with his team two
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days ago and we are locked and loaded and it's
gonna be a great night. So come on out and
see us. You can go to king Center dot com
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I'm ready to go be some barbecue.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
What about you?
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Yeah you're gonna today?
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah? I have to. I have to get my day
and so I can get to Oktobe.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
For the guys in for the guys that are in
Bavard County, Florida. Every Friday, we try to come together
at Creiderman's and Cocoa Village. Unbelievably good and the closest
thing to Texas barbecue that I've had here in Florida.
So we will be there at eleven o'clock today with
a good group of men, just to hang out, chill
and if we talked about Jesus, great, if we talk
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about sports, great, but just a great time. So if
you're in around Bervard County, Florida, eleven o'clock every Friday.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
There's an open invitation, so come on out. So nice.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
So with that said, we are gonna go home. We'll
catch you next time.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I'm trading. I'm Michael, I'm Jeremy. We are the Christians.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Christian Hey, Michael, so I noticed your shirt there. Where's
it from?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Hurricane? They don't call it. You did it right. It's
for you, all right, Hurricane Hurrican. It's hurricane what is
from where city? Hurricane West Virginia. It's called like hurricane.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
They call it hurricane everybody. You were like literally my
neck of the woods,
Yo, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are going to get real about men's issues, who
Jesus is and who we are as men in Christ.
We're gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the Coussin Christians.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
All right, guys, what is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
It was Pezzo before the oh on Wickham. Yeah, I
know where that is. It's truly amazing. Yeah, it's it's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
You know how like you talk about, hey, where do
you want to go tonight? You want to get a Mexican?
You know, we always say that kind of thing. Well,
there's a there's a place in Merritt Island that we
go to a lot and Marguerite Island.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
It's over in the mall. I've seen it. I've never been.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
It's just like our favorite place there. But we do
carry out there a lot. And so a couple of
weeks ago I went over there to pick it up
and the girls like, oh, thanks for ordering, blah blah blah,
and I almost said you are our favorite Mexican on
the island. Almost said it, but I was like, man,
I probably wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I've been corrected a couple of times about talking about
that Mexican restaurant we went in Mexico. Do you call
it a Mexican restaurant in Mexico? That's right, just a restaurant.
It was called Los Manchies.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I got that's.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
What happens at three am. Have you smoked a dude? Right,
Lost Manchies.
Speaker 5 (01:23):
But it was it was that burrito was like that
big and it was like two bucks.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So good. It was so good, man. I love to
do it. Good.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
Go ahead, you love what I love going to like
those like places that are like super local and it's
like whenever I'm traveling somewhere and it's like fifty cents
for a whole meal, you know what I mean. But
you might get sick, but you're not really sure, but
it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Dude, your legend. Oh yeah, yeah, two people.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Old timer had had a farm, huge farm, huge cattle farm.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Great guy, believer. We talked about Jesus whole time. Was there.
You gotta be careful, you know, I just I don't
go into that. You're in West Virginia, it's a little
more common. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Anyway, I said, I got a friend of mine we
do this podcast. Uh he went to West Virginia. He's
all Americans named Jeremy Chef, Jeremy Cheffy.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
He said this is what he said, That boy done
West Virginia good. And I said yeah, he said, I
sent my kids there. And I've watched West Virginia football
since I was little. Because his great great grandfather got
the land and when he fought for the Civil War,
they got two hundred fifty acres. That's what the government
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game after they stopped fighting, and so this he bought
more than that.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
But anyway, just a great conversation. And then.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I was making appointments and I called this guy. We
just started talking and I told him about the podcast
and and Jeremy Cheffy, yeah man, And I go yeah,
and he goes that dude was quick as hell. You
what was your Did they do the forty for you?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
At the three twenty? I ran a four eight. Nice,
you're in a four eight. That's fantastic. Whoa yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
But he graduated at West Virginia the same time you did.
He was he's your anged. I think he's thirty eight,
thirty nine something like that. I wonder if I know him, well,
I can't say it. I'll tell you all fair. Yeah,
but his first day's Patrick Pector. If you're listening, chef,
he's ready for to meet Patre.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
Was there a picture Jeremy hanging up at Denny's, Yeah,
in front of the Grand Slam breakfast I had of
him at once. Somewhere there might be I don't know,
Grand Slam Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeahs. It's an amazing state.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Great I mean I grew up across the border from
it in Kentucky, and you know you're either w or
your marshall uh or if you lived in Kentucky, UK.
But Man is amazing state, great place, great people. I mean, yeah,
very very I mean we were the pro football team
right like for West Virginia w U.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Is it like so they have none else that?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
No great people. I appreciated that and everybody supported us.
It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Dude. I was in some areas where there was some
bad music.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
This one dude lived on Party Street, pretty street, Party,
you got a perty easy street.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Well it's funny is if you tell somebody your fishing
on Laurel Creek, they have no idea where you're fishing
at because there's like seven hundred of them.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Oh, yeah, Laurel's crazy down of Laurel Creek GPS.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I won't have a clue.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
There was like, there's places in West Virginia that don't
see the sun till around eleven am.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, and I was. I was because the mountains.
Speaker 6 (04:32):
Yeah, if you're down the valley, like you know, about
around eleven you'll see the sun and by two it'll
be gone again.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
I was there.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
I went to the end of a road and I
couldn't go anywhere. It was a creek and you were
up in a holler. I was, yeah, I was so
and I didn't have any cell. You imagine if you
fall off the side and everything's like this, if you
fall off.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You have no cell. So I had no cell guardrails,
no guard rails.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So I had to go back up the hill and
call the guy. And actually it was the farmer guy,
and I said, where are you at? He said where
are you at? And I told him. He's like, you're
forty minutes away from me, And it happened. It was
there was like east and west east and west east.
He was actually five minutes from our hotel room. And
I drove forty minutes and get to the end. I
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showed you the picture that yeah, boom it stopped. There's
a crick yep.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Wow, Yeah, that's West Virginia up the creek.
Speaker 6 (05:21):
I mean we used to kiss your ass turns because
when you go down the hill, you can kiss your
asses you go around.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I mean it's uh.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
And what's crazy is when the coal trucks are going
up down the same roads and I don't know how
they do it. Oh, I mean it's wild, yeah, because
you ain't there's no two lanes. No, it's like bide
enough for a car and a half and you just
kind of got to side. Which side of the How
close are you going to get? I mean we used to.
I mean even in Kentucky. I grew up on that
far off and I busted my truck. We brought bust
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our our mirrors all the time. You drive down the
road and just smack them because you're so close and
you don't even stop, you just keep going. Both of
you know you're both not a fault. It just as
what it is.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
The rocks and and yeah, the cliffs. Yeah, it was crazy.
I'm ready for some Criderman zone.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Man.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I missed my yeah man barbecue back in action. Today.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
We got a crew coming to everybody was responding back on.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
The speaking of barbecue.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Do flies feel the same way as we do when
they fly through a fart like we drive through a
barbecue restaurant.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I was just thinking about that. You weren't thinking about that. Oh,
I'm sure he was. You need to go back on
the road. Man.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
As you were sitting in the cloud of your own
filthy you're probably thinking about that.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
That's what it was. He was driving on the road
hot boxing himself. I thought about that last night. Just
four guys sit around being guys think about it's the
same premise. It was so different last week when we
had a guest on and.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
We had beautiful staceyach Division sitting here and pretty spiritual.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, we Donna was sitting over there.
Speaker 5 (06:58):
We had women in here, and it was it was
now we're talking about flies and farts and.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Welcome back to barbecue, Sa barbecue Saw. You can go
on to the creek craik Uh. It's a creek I
called crik.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
It's a crik back where I grew up, Southeast Texas's
called a bayou.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
That's a whole nother thing. You know.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
It's funny. My accent and words I say. They'll change
depending who I'm around me too, Like if I'm like
back home in Kentucky or West Virginia and I'm talking folks, like,
I'll get a more Southern accent, absolutely, and I'll say
words that I don't say normally.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
I can I can hear it, Like with my wife
when she calls and talks to her dad on the
phone and up into jer Jersey. All of a sudden,
she's got Jersey coming out of her mouth, and I
think she says the same thing. When I'm talking to
my dad or my relatives back in Texas, I slow
down a little bit.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
You know, when we bring people over from India, they'll
lose accent as they start to be around Americans more
like it will get less and less.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, since we're talking about Indian accents. Okay, back when
we were still living at the condo Cocoa Beach, we
had to call his a tech tech support call for something.
I don't know what it was, but you know where
most of those calls go. So I'm talking to this dude.
He's got a heavy accent and.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
You can hear in the background it's like, really buzzing
behind him.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Yeah, And so he's like, well, you know, let me
send you this, and I'm like, okay, what's your address?
Uh you know, I said, blah blah blah, Cocoa beach,
Coco bitch, Like Cocoa beach, Ocean beach, boulevard. He's like, okay,
I will send it to a ocean bitch, Coco bitch.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I'm like, no, it's cocoa beach. Send it to the beach.
Spell it be. That's what I said. So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
I don't know if I don't know if you could
ever say beach. But I just appreciate, the appreciate the
differences that we have. I'm sure if I spoke their langas,
i'd say things in a funny wall.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
You laugh out. It's all great.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
We have a common friend that kicks in his and
he grew up in in Well it was Joseph. He
over and he can turn on that stuff so fast
to go to speak, rolling on the floor.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It's good. So lady, lady, so good.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yeah, here's the deal man. It was on the heart,
on my heart. A couple of things went down this week,
and first off, at our small group two nights ago
we we baptized two people, and so we had and
both of these ladies, amazing people had been had been
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sprinkled as a child in the Catholic church, and they
were do I let this go? I feel guilty. And
we just had an amazing hour of discussing baptism and
what it means. There were twelve fifteen people there, and
then we went outside and I played a little Zach
Williams music set the mood for his song Baptized, which
is so you know, it's all so awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I would have played the Jaws music, but then I.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
Got I got this, and I want to to start
us off talking about this because that word repent and repentance,
a lot of people thinks the means a lot of
different things. And and so this came to a brother
from not from here, He's from another place. He says,
I feel like I have to repent and earn forgiveness.
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I'm really struggling with understanding and receiving the free gift.
And his blood poured out from me. Why would someone
else pour out their blood for me? How does my
heart receive such a message, and why does my mind
be dominated by wanting to continuously think about repenting and
doing things my own way and surrendering and receiving the
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truth of this free message. Why does it seem like
it's so much work? So he's he's taking this word repent,
you know. I mean, you look at the Greek. It
means a heart change, you feel bad about it, you know,
and return, you know, we're away from it to that.
That's I'm on the fence on that, really. But the
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way repented, the word repent or repentance is throughout the Bible, Testament,
New Testament, everything else turn away or turn two, I both,
and I'm I'm growing into the fact that what if
I forget to repent about a sin? And this is
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where this guy is. He's trying to make an inventory
of his sins every night so he can look at
the Lord and say, I feel bad about this.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
And I said, what do you forget one?
Speaker 5 (11:32):
And he's talking about how it's it's it's more it's
turning in to be more of a struggle for forgiveness. Uh.
And I feel like I'm trying to check the box
to get there through repentance.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And I just kind of.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Wanted to open up this discussion because he's in a
he's in a mindset of he's kind of bound. Where
as you become a Christian, repentance becomes a part of
who you are.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Naturally, does that make sense?
Speaker 5 (11:59):
And I wanted to open that up because there's a
lot of Bible scripture throughout the Old and New Testament
about about repenting and turn into Jesus. And I just
wanted to open that up to you guys, is how
do we make out with this word repent in the
Christian world today?
Speaker 6 (12:18):
I think one thing to keep in mind though, is
as you read the Bible, these are letters, right that
are especially the New Testament. It's all letters which Paul's
writing the Corinthians or whoever, right, So like it's instructions
a lot of times. So when he's saying repent over
and over and over again, he's not necessarily talking to
the Christian every single time. He's talking to the non believer.
Very good point, So he's not saying you got to
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repent every single time. I don't think, I mean if
to your point of I mean, what's the point in
Jesus if I have to remember every sin and check
a box or if you forget them? That's what I mean, Yeah, yeah,
that was that was the law. The law was, Hey,
you have to repent, kill a goat, kill a dove, whatever.
The deal was right, and that'll forgive your sin. But
then you walk out, you look at a woman and
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one dirty thought you I go back to the temple
and repent again.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
And do I have to keep repenting to maintain my salvation?
Well that's what I'm There's a lot of people in
the Christian world that it's required of me. I'm up
on the ladder with Jesus and then if I don't
do one, I'm coming down a notch and I'm coming
down a notch. You know.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
It's it's an interesting conversation. What's the point in him
coming here? Though?
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Like it defeats the whole purpose of his blood and
what it did for us, right. I mean, I'm not
saying you shouldn't pray and say, hey, God, you know
I had immoral thoughts today. You know I'm sorry for that,
and you know, can you help me with that? Can
you convict my heart more?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Whatever?
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Whatever you want to say to you know, it's your
your deal. But it's so simple to me, and maybe
I'm just that simple. I just I don't want it
to be complicated. You are a simple man, I really
skinned anyway.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Like Jeremy said, I think as a spirit lead to you,
you may you may want to spend time I don't know,
praying about something he did, but not I mean repentance.
You repent when you're accepting Jesus into your heart. It's
not like you said, it's not an everyday thing where
you have to do it or else like your salvation can't.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
And that's kind of the angle this guy was coming from.
He just felt like this was a chore of anytime
you put a chore on there for Christ, you got
a problem and it became this I'm not doing enough
type thing.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Well, and your earlier point is it always about turning
away from something, because then you become so focused on
what do I have to turn away from? I'm turning
away from this as opposed to Christ. Is the focus
turning to Him and turning you do that. It kind
of takes care of the other thing, exactly care of
the turning away because you're turning to Him, and so
you're not always focused on the sin what you can't do.
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It's more about I'm in a relationship with Jesus, and
he's changed what I want, So I'm not focused so
much on what I can't do what I did.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Do you know what I mean? It's just like every
day repenting.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I asked you yesterday, how many time does it repent
show up in a Bible in a New test over
a hundred times.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And I looked it up. The Hebrew word for repent
It should have s h u v should have to
turn away from return. It's a verb, okay, So it's
a it's a physical thing. Verb is an action word
for me, okay, personally to turn away from to return.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I feel and getting religious. You hear it from the Paul.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
But so many times you must repent, you must repent
your sins. Yes, and there's nothing in the in the
New Testament says I have to ask for forgiveness. It's
not there. It's not there because it was, it was
covered by the blood. So the same with with repent repentance.
I guess as in my heart, I turn away from
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whether that's scantily clad woman or something on TV or
you know, I'm gonna turn away from that. It's a
physical thing for me to do. And that helps me
in my walk with Christ. When I do that more
and more and more, the errols don't seem to come
as often. But when I indulge it and I go
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for it and saying, goes Ah, got you. Let me
keep throwing this at you. Let me keep throwing this
at you. So it doesn't happen because I return. And
you said you had a problem with it with the.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Now it's just you're right, And that's the Hebrew. And
you think about John the Baptist. His message was repent,
but he's talking about the law, repent of your sin,
turn to God and guess what, someone else is coming.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
But this is gonna take on a whole new meaning.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
I can't even tie the guy's shoes, right, So you know,
everything John the Baptist doing was according to the law
and paving the way for Jesus to come. And that was, hey,
quit sin, and dude, repent, repent. But in the context
of Jesus's birth or death resurrection, does repent.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Take on the meaning of turn away or turn to him?
Speaker 3 (17:03):
And what does it mean when John was saying that
to him, how were they supposed to repent? What were
they supposed to do follow the six hundred and thirteen.
He's screaming it at him. Yep, they weren't able to
do it. They'll be right. So that's just even more ammunition.
I think for the.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Cause of the Gospel, of the law was set for
us to realize. I got to have help. I can't
do this on my own. I need a savior and
Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
If the Gospel throws you into a state of guilt,
then there's something.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
There's something wrong with it.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
And this guy that wrote us the letter was talking
about that, and I said, dude, it sounds like you're
really bound here. The good news of the Gospel is
be immersed or baptized in Jesus' name of Jesus Christ,
you too will have the Holy Spirit. That's actual Chapter two,
verse thirty eight, I think. And I said, I said,
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does that sound like something that's binding to you? That
sounds like something that's freeing to me. And we kind
of went through those type of conversations. And I try
to tell he said, I've been repenting and repenting and
repenting and repenting until my repent's falling off.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
And I said, dude, the fact that you have a
repentive heart tells me you're in a pretty good place.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
No kidding, right, yeah, it hurts, right, I mean it's
I you're not what you used to be, so you've
started doing those things you used to do. I'm not
going to let it feel good. You're putting a perfect
being in a non perfect situation. God can't be there,
so he's the Holy spirits wrestling around in there because
at the end of the day, you're not where you're
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supposed to be, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And how do you?
Speaker 3 (18:40):
And and I don't want to make this sound religious
because it shouldn't be religious. And that is how much
time is he spending on the other side, I mean
in prayer with me, it's Christian music or podcasts or
I mean, what's feeding his soul.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
At this particular point in his life.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Is he doing these things that are feeding into death
or is he doing these things that are feeding into life.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
I genuinely think, just based on knowing him, that he
is he is. He's coming to his knees a lot,
and and it's time to stand up.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
And looking for it.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
So he he just felt his heart when he shared
with us the other day was I just I keep
saying the same prayer, I keep repenting of the same stuff,
and I just don't feel is God really hearing me?
Is there something else I need to do because it
ain't working? And then that's the conversation you got to have,
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like and Rudy where the past The priest says, Rudy,
there's two things I know in life.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Number one, there is a God and number two, I'm
not him.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
I'm not And if you're feeling this and you're feeling
repentant of it inside, that's a great sign.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Keep it up.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
But his folk keeping up so much on that, but
his focus is so laser being done sure, and it's
like he's like.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
He's like approaching this as a behavior modification program instead
of a relationship that's going to grow through Christ, which
in turn changes your behavior. Is he married widow or okay, widower?
So there's some things there going on. You know that
she he lost her to cancer and it wasn't it
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wasn't pleasant.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
But stuff I don't know.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Just we never talk about this word of repentance, what
it means, what it doesn't, what the misconceptions are. I
grew up in a church that was repent me.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Don't go sin no more?
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Right, do you believe in Jesus, you better repent and
don't go do it anymore?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Well, and every night I ask for forgiveness for my
sins every night, every night, every night. But like you
guys always say, what if you forget one? Then what
I mean, Jesus covered it all. I know, once and
for all. The sacrifice was made, so it's not gonna
it shouldn't be a burden for us to every day.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Okay, did I did?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
I confess that one thing that when I ran I
read light that I confess that.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
If not, I'm screwed.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
And there's a lot of people that are listening to
this that we're going to get fired at because they're going,
wait a minute, but I'm sorry, well great grace has changed, Yes,
my whole outlook.
Speaker 6 (21:13):
But I don't think we're saying don't say sorry right
right because I do. I mean I usually do it
in the moment because I'll feel the conviction.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I'm abs sorry about that than that normal.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Yeah, it's a relationship thing, right, But like I also
a lot of times in my head I'll do something
stupid and I'll be like, oh, thank you, thank you,
thank God I got you. You know what I mean, Like,
I literally will say thank you instead of I'm sorry
because in my mind that I repented once, I only
had to repent once, and I accept you in my heart.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
That doesn't mean I wouldn't say I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
I turned to you, Jesus, But I just I'm like,
good thing I got you. Otherwise I wouldn't be getting
through this one. You know what I mean, like exactly,
and that's repentance. Well that that is the definition of
repentance with Jesus.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Is what you just said. You recognize it, right.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
And I've told you guys this story that I used
to make stuff up in the confessional to the priest.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
For the shock. Wow. Oh really? Oh yeah?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
And people people ask me from the small group, what
did you used to say?
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I'm like, I ain't going there because how many unneeded
Hell Marys did you have? I would?
Speaker 6 (22:17):
I mean, because it's like I mean, I could be like,
you need one thousand and one Hail Mary's and our
fathers to get out of this one.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
You knew the stuff one? Yeah, if you knew the
stuff I made up, and I'd look through this to
see see his reaction.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, I'd be like, and there's this pause, And I
knew the one priest set would if I went to
Father Schooler, he'd be like, he'd call it bullshit. But
Father Bartel was like he was an old coach, and
he'd be like, and I can just see the wheels
tumbling while he's listening to me, like.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
He called for backup.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
There's no wonder cads like preeze to drink a lot
after after Michael. After Michael comes in, I'm gonna bust
open the buffalo trade.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
So you imagine what they did like after So you know,
after the service, all these priests and altar boys or
whatever they're learn in the back.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
You'll never believe.
Speaker 6 (23:07):
I know it's supposed to be anonymous, but this guy,
Michael Thomas came in the high booth today. You got
to come sit in here with me next time. You
hear it if you were only a fly on the wall.
So I don't know if Jesus can get hit him.
That's how.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Me and I was. I mean, I was just I
had a lot of energy. It was entertainment for you.
It was like an entertainment thing, like because I didn't
believe it. I didn't believe it back then, might as
well make it worth my time.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I know that's so funny, but anyway, So for someone
that's kind of struggling like this guy was, and he's
actually struggled to the point of is my salvation secure?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And that's a dangerous spot.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
I think if you can if you get to that
thinking that, oh, yeah, but you didn't you three days
after the sin, you remember you did it?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Oh you forgot to do that one trey once.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Once you believe the Holy Spirit in dwells, the power
of that overrides everything. And I just I think we
made him feel better toward the end of the day
in these discussions where he just this constant focusing on
behavior in his life led him down a trail of
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just totally misunderstanding and warping what salvation means. Believe in
your heart, confess with your mouth that Jesus Lord and
you too will be safe.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
And to be clear, we're not saying that you never repent.
We oh no, you know, I come to Jesus, you
have to repent. But this whole focus on every single
day and it's it's making him miserable. And you know,
also the focus on maybe losing my salvation. Yeah, I
mean the fact that he's concerned about it tells me
that he is a Christian.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, he has the spirit living within him.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
But Satan, I mean that's the only Like he can't
take you anymore, but he can distract you, and he
can make your life miserable by focusing on am I
going to lose my salvation?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
That? Are I pent enough today?
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Like those are just I don't know the things that
Satan does to get us off track.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, I totally agree. And as we've tried to position
you know, this topic and talk about through it, we
have some enlightening moments from the other brothers in the room,
and I really I felt like this guy had some
weights being lifted from his shoulders.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Like, Okay, I.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Focus on who he is and the grace he gave
as my repentance, and I if I'm hurting on the inside,
it's totally cool to have a you know, have a
chat and and pray through that with the Lord because
that frees you. Sure, it takes the pressure and the
load off you, because Jesus already bore that pressure two
thousand years ago.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
We have a mutual friend that we're trying to steer
and the YouTube and the cell phone and the internet
has totally.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Screwed with people's heads because you can.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Go there and find if you look hard enough, you're
gonna find, especially on web md or you know, it's like, oh,
I've got that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Oh, I've got that. Oh. If you're trying to web
md your salvation, you're in trouble. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
So we try to steer him back to the fact
that he is a new creation, he is God's child,
you know, focus on those things. And I always tell him,
I say, flip the switch. Flip the switch. Go from
this to this experience what Trey and I have experienced,
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and obviously you know you guys as well.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
But it's like, come on, flip the switch.
Speaker 5 (26:35):
I don't try not to beat myself up anymore. I
just the blood worked. I'm gonna move forward and through
what I just did, I'm going to probably learn not
to do that again.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
You know, does that that makes sense? Yeah? Well?
Speaker 4 (26:50):
And also when you think about Jesus again, his sacrifice
once for all, and he said it has finished, how
do you think he feels when he sees Christians still
worrying about their salvation and worry about whether they confessed
enough sins that day.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
You know, He's like, man, I paid for all that,
That's all covered.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Like, why are you still wasting time and emotional energy
fixating on those things.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I just want to because you know, the script and
the joy of the Lord is my strength. I truly
believe that that is my strength daily, the joy of
the Lord. And when I have the joy of the Lord,
the Holy Spirit's able to do things through me instead
of worrying and being in a state of fear. In
a state of worry and a state you can't do anything,
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you're not any good for the Lord.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
And I got to share this. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Anyway, we had all these so many claims, so many claims,
and the last we kind of knew we were going home,
kind of felt that we had to figure out whether.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
We were done.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
And my boss says, hey, there's these two. They're right
up the road. They're coming in at four. I'd like
to be able to shut the trailer down, you know.
Can you go look at him? And I said, yeah,
And this is how God works. Okay, last day, last inspection,
and I go to this house and I walk up
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there's the suburban's running. There's a lady in the vehicle
and I walk up and she rolled down the window
and the look on her face was like mf R.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
And I was like wow. She goes, are you with
the roofing company?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
And I'm like no, I said, I'm with my company
and she said, oh, I thought you were some We've
had fifteen yel for you here to talk to us about.
So anyway, I got to talking to her and she's
a social work and she's talking about this little three
year old that she's fostered for the weekends and she's
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got three boys. Her husband and her have three children.
The youngest one is ten. And she starts talking and
she said, I go to my colleagues because they pray,
and I asked them to pray for me in order
to give me a decision about whether I should take
this out on full time as a foster child. And
she said I turned Catholic because my husband's Catholic and
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I've never And I was just like listening to her, going,
Holy cow, if you knew how simple it is to
go to the Lord and have that relationship and the
freedom that you have in that And she's talking she said,
I don't know what to do. I said, I'm in Tormol.
But she started talking about this little girl, and she
started talking about the positive things about it, and I said,
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it sounds like you already have your answer that you're
supposed to take this child.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
So I'm here.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I am going to drive with her people all over
the place and in this neighborhood. I grabbed her hands
and I said, let's pray about it. And the scripture
that came out for her was the steps of a
righteous and I put it this way, the steps of
a righteous man or woman are ordered of the Lord.
And I said, I think you've got your answer. But
my whole point with that is is that she can go.
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We have one mediator between God and man, and that's
Christ Jesus. She could have gone there, but she was
relying on her friends to pray for her. She was
really she couldn't get an answer, and I said, you
need to just ask yourself what he wants.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You to do.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
And then when I left, I said, I think you
already have your answer. But that's how it works, last day,
last vehicles, everything, Okay, I didn't really. I had a
couple experiences with you know, people that knew you chef,
and but nothing really that spiritual. But that was so
important for say and I told her, I said, this
isn't a coincidence.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
This is not a coincidence for me to be here
to do this.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
And but my point about that is if I would
have been in turmoil and I was like, I want
to get home, you know, I'm sick of this crab,
I'm you know, because it's hard.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It's really hard to do. It takes a toll on
you physically and mentally. But I didn't. I was still
open to it, and the Holy Spirit was able to
work through me. And I don't mean to be buttering
my toast, but it's like, that is how God.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Works if you're open mind instead of worrying about all
them that's going on in your life.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
No, that's an awesome story, great testament. We're doing this
Bible study right now in my small group about silent prayer,
and it's kind of what you're talking about here, is
how do I get my answer right? Because a lot
of times we pray, but it's we don't listen right.
And that's the whole point is it. You know, take
start out with one minute a day, like in your
whole day, just take one minute, shut everything down, breathe,
(31:26):
and just listen and just let God connect, Like just
be in the now, letting God connect with you. And
then eventually you work it up until whatever you can
fit into your schedule. So, I mean one of the
guys in our group, his goal was eventually do ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
That's cool.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
If you want to do ten minutes, to do ten minutes,
you want to do thirty minutes, do thirty minutes. But
like taking that time to listen back is kind of
the whole point, right, is like not asking God for anything,
not thanking God for anything, but just listening. And it's
pretty cool actually, like because I used to do it
more and I stopped doing it because my schedule got
busy and I start you know what I mean, yep,
and then you get out of the habit. And I
(32:02):
thought it was a good reminder that we started this
week to study and they're sitting there for a minute,
just shut everything down, close your eyes and just listen.
And I think sometimes that's where you get the answer, right,
I mean.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
It's almost like the Holy Spirit's winking at you, going, yeah,
I'm giving you that feeling inside it's me, hey, turn
to me, and then the other you know, the other
scripture about you know, when you don't know what to pray,
or if you're in that much turmoil, think about how
you're praying now as a Christian. You're praying through the
Holy Spirit that lives inside your body. And it even
(32:34):
says the Holy Spirit will groan for you. If you
don't know or if you're in so much to spirit
you don't even know what to pray or how to pray,
Holy Spirit does for you. So that being quiet peace,
and this this friend that sent us that note just
about how he's really caught up and covering everything because
(32:55):
the salvage he feels the salvation might be at stake
or whatever, and he's struggling excepting this free gift. Those
are kind of words of encouragement that the same spirit
that raised Christ and the dead lives in you. So
let him do his work. Let him do his work man,
Let him Let him remind you of man that wasn't
good for him today. Bro, you know, let him remind
(33:16):
you that that's not who you are, but how you
looked at her lust fully or that's not who you
are about those thoughts that were going through your mind
and you're thinking about acting on them.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
That's repentance in his purest form.
Speaker 6 (33:26):
Do you guys hear the Holy Spirit talking to you
like in your own vernacular? I'm just curious because I do,
because I literally will hear him be like, dude, what
the f?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Like?
Speaker 6 (33:39):
All right, you're better than that? Like, No, it's true.
That's how I hear it. And he's talking to me
the way I would. That's what I would talk to you.
We're walking on the street and he did something to
be like, what the dude?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
What is it? Yeah, that's how I hear. I get it.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
I hear him as a little more authoritative than a buddy,
but maybe a senior mentor or maybe I should go there.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I don't know. Well, I don't get me wrong. Sometimes
he drops the dad voice on me.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Yeah, that could be a stand up comedy you know
Christian comedy stand up act right there?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
What voice? Do you hear? I had a lot of
coaches that talked to me that way too, So I
mean it's and you're able to receive it that way. Yeah,
do you think about it? Trey probably couldn't receive it
that way.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
And you said, well, I mean, you know, you were
in a situation growing up and being this athlete that's
a lot better than everyone else, and you're, oh, you're
exposed to until you're twenty five, twenty six years old
or big time coaches, right, And I can see where
you you might relate it like that.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Or your dance instructor when you were dancing.
Speaker 6 (34:47):
See Vaughn would have got on me. Trust me, Jeremy, yep, yeah, no, no,
this way. That's why you ran a four to eight
because the damn yeah man, Yeah, there's Actually in high school,
I did a grangee over a pile ofment and made
a tackle.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
It's on the video of something what is a leap?
My hands were even in the we got that. Do
you have that photograph? I know I don't.
Speaker 6 (35:14):
It's somewhere. I mean, it's in the All's somewhere.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
Know.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
This would be high school, Denny's and West entertain When
I was a freshman, I did a kip up, which
is where you flip from your back to your feet
and after tackling a guy, and my coach is like, hey,
you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
That's way too cocky. I was like, I'm still I
was like, I wasn't being cocky. I was just getting up.
It's hilarious how to get out of bed every morning.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Just when you start clicking, it starts the light bulb
start clicking off in your brain.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
About turning to.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Jesus instead of focusing on how bad you've been and
turn and saying I'm going to try to turn from that.
You know, Paul says that where the law bounds sends
a bounds more. When you start focusing on that kind
of stuff, guess what you're probably gonna send more well.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Good discussion.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
I believe that this guy was trying to make repentance
kind of like a little bit of an idol type thing.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I'm going to be focusing on repenting all the time.
And you know, our words to him were, Dude, you're
in a great spot.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
You don't even know it. You're hurting inside because of
where you are. Listen to who's letting you know that.
It's not a condemnation thing. It's like, dude, that's not
who you are. Focus on me, focus on my grace
is sufficient, and well.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
That's I think that's where people, you know, they have
a hard time I mean, think about it. The thief
I'm across next to Jesus, he didn't have time to
get repent again and all that. I mean, he literally
died moments after accepting Christ for being Christ. I mean,
and people, I mean, I've heard people say, oh, you
got to get baptized, you got to do this, you
got to do that. Like no, I mean, no, you don't.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
I mean, it's a great it's a great thing to do,
but it's not it's not salvation dependent.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, great discussion. What are your thought?
Speaker 5 (37:00):
So are you struggling with repentance what it truly means?
Are you looking at repentance as turn to Jesus instead
of behavior modification and knowing that Jesus is going to
modify your behavior through the grace that he gives and
our focus on him. So we'd love to hear from you.
This was a direct note to us that we wanted
to open up the discussion today on this topic. We
(37:22):
had a cool thing with baptism this week too, but
we're going to talk about that next time or another time.
Because we had two amazing ladies that they were baptized
just two nights ago here in Florida that We're really
caught up in a lot of the things that you
were caught up in growing up and your religious atmosphere,
and we'll get to that. But with that said, guys,
(37:44):
we are four weeks away from our next big event,
Matthew West at the King Center, Melbourne, Florida. Get your
tickets at Kingcenter dot com. Come on out and celebrate
and worship and celebrate God's grace with us with Matthew West,
one of the most accomplished Christian singer songwriters you'll ever know.
And I had a conference call with his team two
(38:07):
days ago and we are locked and loaded and it's
gonna be a great night. So come on out and
see us. You can go to king Center dot com
to get those and check us out on the social
media pages, give us a follow, a like a sheer,
big smile thumbs up, and continue to help us grow
through YouTube or Facebook or Instagram. So with that said,
(38:30):
I'm ready to go be some barbecue.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
What about you?
Speaker 5 (38:32):
Yeah you're gonna today?
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah? I have to. I have to get my day
and so I can get to Oktobe.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
For the guys in for the guys that are in
Bavard County, Florida. Every Friday, we try to come together
at Creiderman's and Cocoa Village. Unbelievably good and the closest
thing to Texas barbecue that I've had here in Florida.
So we will be there at eleven o'clock today with
a good group of men, just to hang out, chill
and if we talked about Jesus, great, if we talk
(38:59):
about sports, great, but just a great time. So if
you're in around Bervard County, Florida, eleven o'clock every Friday.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
There's an open invitation, so come on out. So nice.
Speaker 5 (39:09):
So with that said, we are gonna go home. We'll
catch you next time.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
I'm trading. I'm Michael, I'm Jeremy. We are the Christians.
Speaker 6 (39:17):
Christian Hey, Michael, so I noticed your shirt there. Where's
it from?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Hurricane? They don't call it. You did it right. It's
for you, all right, Hurricane Hurrican. It's hurricane what is
from where city? Hurricane West Virginia. It's called like hurricane.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
They call it hurricane everybody. You were like literally my
neck of the woods,
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