June 10, 2025 • 38 mins
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Are some sins worse than others? Do Christians fixate on certain sins too much? Are some sins celebrated more than others? How do we extend Grace while standing on Truth? The guys break down this touchy subject.
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Are some sins worse than others? Do Christians fixate on certain sins too much? Are some sins celebrated more than others? How do we extend Grace while standing on Truth? The guys break down this touchy subject.
#joerogan #podcast #mensministry #christianliving #biblestudy #cussing #charliekirk #joerogan #jasonwhitlock #fearless #menshealth #christianliving #vincevaughn #timtebow #christianmotivation #churchmemes #mensministry #promiskeepers #timtebow #patrickbetdavid
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yo, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are gonna get real about men's issues, who Jesus
is and who we are as men in Christ. We're
gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael, and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the cousin Christians. All right, guys,
what is going on? Body is probably he's probably probably
(00:26):
ate clean.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I mean you, what's your wife?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I'm Catholic. Jesus is ripped. I know that he's still
on the cross. Somebody should tell them you got down
from there and send it into heaven.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
I can always tell the Catholics with the you know
my my gold chant.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Is like this, but the Catholics still have Jesus on it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I almost feel like it's like Ricky Bobby, how you
want to picture Jesus? How he wants a six pound
seven house baby Jesus. He's like, I'll make my Jesus
hearver I want. Jesus really is man? You got that cross?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Nice?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And he was, well, welcome back, Jeremy, thank you, chef.
He's been out for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, well Trey's out today. He's taking care of some stuff.
So so you're in the seat filling in you in
the hot seat. Well, yeah, I was out last week
too because and Trey mentioned it. Uh my daughter in
law gave birth our Oh yeah, our second granddaughter came
a week early. Our first granddaughter was ten days early.
(01:28):
And you know how doctors always talk about, you know,
you should read to your child when they're in the womb.
So I know the babies can hear us. So I
know the babies know they know what they're do but
I just think it's didn't consider it.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You know, they come a week early.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's like we got wind to rearrange plans and stuff,
and it's like, you know, babies know they know when
they're supposed to come, so I just you know they're
coming out early.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I'm like, come on, man, read the womb.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I was biting on you too, because I was like,
what are you going to do? Yeah? Why why are
you going? Why did you leave us?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
But but she was she was born before we left,
so it's like, all right, she's here, so go up
there and hang out and support and everything.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
So it's good.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
So my my my other granddaughter's like nineteen months old.
She calls me grand dude. Saw a grand dude twice.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, yeah, that's all it fits. You know, I've never
heard that one. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
That's why I'm not a grandpa.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
You have to pick guitar, get that title.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes, yeah, yeah, that's part of it. And you have
to do left handed guitar and snowboard that kind of thing. Well,
Jeremy Franz, thanks for sitting in.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yes, sir, what's going on with you?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Man? We're just doing life and walking through trials and
trusting God through it all.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, sounds sounds like most of us.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
And I ended up in a hospital bill last week
for five days. You did, yeah, out of now where.
I had chest pain on a Saturday, and because I'm young,
I felt like my body's fine, nothing's wrong. It's probably
a pulled muscle, and had shortness of breath for several days,
and then ended up going to the er and Tuesday,
three half days after and had a huge new orthorwax
(02:54):
when my lungs were completely collapsing left side.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Holy.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, so they put a chest tube in me and
so long. It's just spontaneous being tall and thin. It's
just a commonly known thing that it can happen. And yeah,
so I had a chest tube in and and I
was in the hospital for five days and got it
out and back on my feet and do my thing.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Dude, you gotta text on me. Hear that stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I know some of these people said that Mark rags are.
He's like, man, you gotta text me earlier. I'm like,
I'm like, I'm not going to being a patient. Usually
I'm on the visitors. That's first I've ever tried this role.
I don't. I don't like it as much. Coming from
a background nursing. I I'm used to be on the
other side of the town, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Right exactly.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
As I get older, I don't really sleep anymore. It's just,
you know, a nap between pee breaks.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, pretty much. I'm like, four hours.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
What is going on?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I'm like, I don't know, man, it's crazy. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
That's what you have to look forward to. Jeremy.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
There, I'm both you, Jeremy.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I'm hoping to get there something right.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Well, they say the two times that you age or
you really see a notice or that you really noticed
is forty four and sixty. And I think when I
look back forty four, I kind of did notice you
know my face. Things started to change, but sixty I
think might happen a couple of years before. I think
I really started. When I look at myself in the mirror,
I see myself in pictures, I'm like, I'm not that
(04:13):
young guy anymore. Yes, you know, and I understand it,
all those open golden years my ass.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
You know, it's like.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Right, you know your limits.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
No.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
I thought when I turned forty, all of a sudden,
like it literally was like two months before I turned forty,
I have high blood pressure. You know, all this shit
just like went downhill, and I was like, damn it,
like this is forty that's cool. Wait, you know, and
now you're telling me forty four. So I got three
more years until I have another big, a big change.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
You'll notice it.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
That sucks your early.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
A couple of months ago, I went to pick up
some Mexican takeout and somebody ordered to margarita, so I
had to give them my license. They have to look
at it. The girl looks at it and she goes, oh, wow,
was like.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
A long time ago.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
What does that mean? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
She's like, when was this picture taken? I'm like, I
don't know, ten to fifteen years ago. Give me that back.
She's like, you don't look anything like that anymore. I'm like, okay,
did you have this you no, it was it was different,
but yeah, I look at it too, and I'm like, dude,
that doesn't look.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Anything like me.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
I know.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Funny ones are the ones you don't have to be
like LinkedIn or something. It's like that guy doesn't look
like that anymore.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
That's I had a colleague.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
You know how a picture comes up on teams and
in our emails, and I had a colleague.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
She goes, how long have you been with the company?
And I told her. She goes, how old is that picture?
Speaker 5 (05:29):
And I said, that's the first picture taken when I
entered the company, so it's I was twenty some years old.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Oh really, Oh yeah, I haven't updated. I'm not going
to update it.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You ever see those people on social media? Every picture
of them, it's like a certain angle. It's like it's
like they found they found the one angle they like.
So every picture, whether they're like the part of their
friends or whatever, they're all like to the side and
one legs forward.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And they're kind of doing this. I'm like, Okay, something's up.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And women have this this pose they do where the
knee is bent and.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It's inn and one elbow out.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
They've got the pose. It must be school they go
to to learn how to pose.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
All I know is that my wife will only take
pictures on one side.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Of her face. That's what I'm saying, Like she has
a side, and I'm like, I spend the knee. I'm sure. Yeah,
I mean all that, but I just I don't.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
I'm like, I thought his face was pretty symmetrical, Like
I mean, it's just kind of like your face.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I don't know, Like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It's important. Well, our subscriber base on YouTube is growing nice.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, where are were at now?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Four hundred and fifty five subscribers? Sweet, So it's slowly growing.
So if you're listening to us right now, pull over
and watch us on YouTube. And yes, so kind of
the format if you're new to the cussin Christians format
is for guys eating wings and talking about Jesus. It's
it's more of like a Friday night conversation as opposed
to a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Morning all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Uh, there are there's tons of great shows out there
with theologians and pastors and.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Guys that they break it down a different way.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
But we're just like four regular dudes hanging out on
a Friday night after a while week and just getting
real about what's going on. And so that's kind of
the format of the show and I hope you get
something out of it. We we don't always leave with
everything buttoned up.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
But we or theologically correct at all times.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, but all we know is we aren't Catholic, but we.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Have our Catholic friends.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
You know, he Chicago has a pope, I know, yeah,
and you hear they want to take his childhood home
in eminent domain from the people that are living there.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
The Catholic church does why justus.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
It's like Baby Bruth House is Baltimore. That's a museum
they took there. You walk out of the stadium and
there's footprints that say Babe Bruth House, Babe Bruce House.
So you walk, you follow the footprints all the way
to his house. It's pretty cool, huh. But anyway, they
want to take his house and.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
That is kind of cool. Well, it's an interesting time
of the year. It's June, so we all know that's
Pride month and every year that you know, kind of
comes up and it's such an divisive.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Want rainbow back.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, and you see people posting four and against and
it just made me wonder, as Christians, do we fixate
on certain sins more than others?
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Well?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
And do we celebrate in our culture more sins than others?
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Like what absolutely?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
I mean if I said, hey, this is Jeremy Chef,
he's my friend, he's an adulter or whatever it is,
you know, like that would seem silly to introduce him
by his sin.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Right, Well, they celebrate the sin. That's what, probably months.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Ago, becomes an identity. Though you know that that addictionary
that sin is an identity, and that's kind of a
unique thing. I don't think there's too many other sins
that become an identity of who you are versus something
that you.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Do, right, you know, I don't know if I fully
agree with that though. I mean, look at like the
only fans thing, right, Like you look on YouTube and
you know, get on like a lot of social media
and you see these onlyfan models that are like you know,
they're they're obviously doing pornography and doing lots of things
they shouldn't do. But yet you know, we're like, oh,
(08:57):
this is so and so she you know, she's an
only fans.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
We're celebrating. Yeah, a lot of sin, Like.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I don't care.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
I really don't, to the point of why does what
you do in your in your bed have to be
portrayed on me? And I have to accept it. I
don't or celebrated or yeah it's and keep it to yourself.
I don't celebrate what I do in my wedding bed
or you know, at my house. It's none of it's
(09:28):
nobody's business.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Well, isn't pride Obviously all sins are equal, But isn't
pride the most dangerous or something like that?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Well, it pride comes before a fall, but it's it's
also the sin because that was like originally what Satan
in heaven wanted to be like God.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So maybe that's why it's called.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I think pride like a wedge that is between us
and God, isn't In the Proverbs it says God opposes
the projects gracious? Yeah, And I think that that that
pride is always like I can do it myself or
I can I can do it my way and I
don't need God's way and stuff like that. And I
think that that's that slippery slope that leads a lot
of other sin.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
And I had a conversation with my son last night about,
you know, the homosexual movement.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I don't I hate anybody. I really don't. I don't hate.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Gays or in fact, I had a couple of friends
in Indiana that were they were my friends, but I didn't.
You know, I love the sinner, but hate the sin.
And you know, something that happened to me this week
because of that organization.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It was just wrong.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
And I just I'm at the point where why do
I have to accept the philosophy that doesn't line up
with my beliefs or biblical teaching?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Why is it shoved on men? Why do I have
to accept it? Where did that all happen?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Well? I mean, what's even crazy? Is uh? You know?
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Obviously I'm starting to apply for jobs again and it's
one job applications?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
What's your sexual aritation?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Yeah, you know it's interesting too, Like I think it's
I think it's deep down that people who are doing
this they know it's wrong, that is morally wrong, and
they want to be accepted anyways. They want us to
accept it as good when our convictions tell us that
only God is good and that what he created is good,
the perfect unity between man and women. So if we
don't accept it, then we're not saying that it's good.
(11:22):
And they're they're feeling convicted by.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
That, you know what I mean, I really think they
I think people have given over to depraved mind.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Deprave mind.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I thinks. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I just think a lot of Christians don't want to
seem they don't want to be biggots, they don't want
to seem intolerant. Because I saw a couple of guys
that we know in respect that they posted homosexualities and
exomination of God, and some of the comments.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Were, like, you people are hypocrites.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
God loves everyone, you know, and so it's interesting there's
more of a defense of that sin than any other
that I see.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
And they're not wrong. God does love every right, but
he doesn't love that act of homosexuality.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And I think that I think the consequences are obviously different.
You know, if I steal a Snickers bar, it's not
going to end my marriage, but if I cheated my wife,
I mean, they're both sins. They're both equally separating me
from God. But consequences of one are going to be
much more.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Severe, earth earthly consequences.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
But I'd take everything through the lens of how Jesus
looks at What would Jesus say to somebody and how
would he convince them that what they're doing? Because if
you have an accounter with Jesus that we all have,
we've had this incounter with Jesus, that it's changed our thinking,
changed our way of life as far as the sin
we used to be in compared to the grace that
(12:38):
we're under now, even though we still were sayings that
still sin. But you know, and a good example. My
niece was a lesbian for years. She had a partner,
a huge Notre Dame fan. We have her over for
our Saturday football games tailgates and I just loved on her.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I loved her, you know. But she was raised in
the Church.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
She knew that truth in the scripture that I, you know,
raise up a child in the way he should go
when he is old, he shall not depart from it.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
So I believe that wholeheartedly.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Now Lauren is married to a man, two wonderful little boys,
and she talks about that time in her life, and
I think that there is no one or any situation
that Christ can't can't heal, absolutely and totally.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I truly believe that, and that's one of them.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
I don't hate the homosexual movement, but I don't believe
in it, and I shouldn't have to accept it because
and don't call me a bigger because I'm not a bigger.
I'm just wholeheartedly believe in the truth of the word.
And my whole point is that none should perish. That's
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my whole point.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
And if you really love your neighbor as you love yourself,
you love them enough to not want them to continue
to damage theirselves, themselves and their soul by doing these sins.
And you're right, like it's easy to put societally sin
higher than others, Like it's it's more okay to be
judgmental than it is to be a homosexual. Like no,
not at all. It's it's equal in God's eyes. And
I don't want, you know, anybody to be walking in
(14:16):
that for themselves, not just you know, not because of
my opinion or something.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
Well, And it's interesting because like you know, you know,
it's kind of like trying to think of like it's something.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That you would do.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
But like, let's call it the drug addict, right that
they want to surround themselves and make it seem like
it's okay. Right, It's like, oh, it's okay, right, Like
you know, I just smoke pod, I just smoke, I
just do this, I do that, right, And they start
surrounding themselves with people, and then eventually it's like, you're
trying to make everybody feel like it's okay because you know,
this is what I do.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Right.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
It's not that different, right, Like it's the same thing.
You know, they're they're doing a sin that is obviously
not okay, but you want to make everybody around you
feel like it's okay, so you can justify why it's okay.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And almost in.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Society, for whatever reason, is starting to say, oh, it's okay, right.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
So that's why they've created parades in a whole month
and everything like that. Oh yeah, they're trying to kind
of convince everybody else that it's okay.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
I mean, and maybe it's not like as top of
mind as we want to think it is. I mean,
I think from our side of the table, it's like, oh, well,
this is all very intentional. I don't think that's that's
where their minds are at, right, Like, I think it's
more of a hey, I'm normal right in my own body,
but yet we're looking at it through the lens of
the cross and we're saying no, no, no, God says this
(15:40):
is not normal.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Well, it's interesting because in the news they have talked
about how there's been a lot of these corporations that
we're sponsoring pride, praise and things. A lot of that
they're drawing back now, and like I think Target doesn't
have the displays on that they had a year ago
because there has.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Been a backlash.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
So I think it's interesting that there is some public
withdrawal from some of that, at least from businesses and
things like that. And we did an episode a few
months ago where we talked about is sins sustainable and
how you you know over time, like like truth stands
the test of time, and things that were true thousands
of years ago are still true. But some of these newer,
(16:16):
these newer movements, because the pride thing has become it
was really strong now and a few years ago, but
we're starting to see some people pulling back from that.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, I think the country is more conservative as a
whole than some people would think. And it's more of
a fringe thing where you know, social media can elevate
a platform small amount of people to be so loud.
But really, when these companies go out on a limb
and bud light, they try something, they see how it goes.
You know, it didn't go well at all for them,
and some of these other companies are like, maybe this
isn't such a good idea. We're kind of ostracizing ourselves
(16:46):
from the entire market.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Like, you're right, I think we are all more conservative.
We want to make our own choices. We want to
we don't want to be force fed what decisions we
need to make, and deep down we know what's right
and wrong too, right, But then you have these like
porizing sides, right, Like let's let's talk about abortion for
a minute, right, Like, that's another sin that we can all,
you know, talk about. You know, if you're a Christian,
(17:08):
it's definitely a sin. And if you don't believe that,
let's talk about when life starts. But you know, it's
a I think we're trying to justify sin in society
right now, because you know, we don't want to be controlled, right.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Well, nobody wants to call anything a sin except maybe murder.
Apart from that, it's like, well, people bristle at that
word if you bring it up there, like, oh, that's
that's an old religious thing, Like how could that be
a sin? If I really love somebody or if it
feels good, how could that really be a sin?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
What sin means is that it's what separates us from
the father, who ultimately wants to have a relationship with
all of us created. We're created in his image, so
he wants to have a relationship with us, you know,
And I don't get I still my head hurts whenever.
I mean, it went from gay and lesbian to how
many letters are there now in a plastic place.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
I think they just cut it back and then put
a plus in front of it because they couldn't figure
out all the and the flat. I'm saying one of
these job applications, like what pronouns do you want to
call it?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Sis? Sis? But but I mean all this shit, I'm like,
I don't know, I don't have one. I call me me.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
There was a.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Comedian that said, yeah, I was inviting some invited a
friend over and and he and he goes, well, they
are coming, and he said, so I made a bunch
of food and then they showed up and it was
one person. It's like silly, you know, and he's like,
they better eat all this food. I think.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I mean, if you think what it really comes down to,
you talking about about the sin, and I always remember
sin as anything that goes against God's will. And just
like a child sometimes will be disobedient and not want
to do what their parents tell them or their father
tells them, like I think as a society, a lot
of people just don't want to conform their life to
what God says to do. Like they want to do
it their way. They don't want to be control or
submit to anything or any one, and that includes God's will.
(18:57):
And that's and that's a dark place to be because aultimately,
whether you have salvation through Jesus or you're an unbeliever,
you're going to pay for your sins. Now, You're going
to pay. Like you if you steal something, you know,
God's that going to punish you eternally, but you may
go to jail. You know, if you rob somebody, you're
gonna pay for it today. And people are seeing that
the you know, repercussions of their actions or the fruits
(19:18):
of their ways in that sense.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
But I always go back to thinking about the nature
of God and who he is. If you have a holy,
righteous God, what is he supposed to.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Do with sin?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Like he has a standard because he's holy and righteous,
and so there's a standard there that we can't meet.
I mean, we break it all the time. That's what
sin is. But it's not because he's just an angry dude.
It's like, I don't want you to do these things.
It's it's like, by his very nature he's pure and holy.
It's like it's like a fire. If you have a
fire and you throw things into it, the fire is
not going to discern and go, well that's a that's
(19:51):
a tin can. I'm not going to burn that. By
its nature it is heat. It's pure, you know what
I mean, Like it's pure consuming fire, and it's it's
not going to make an accept for one person or another.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
It is what it is.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Like, that's what God, you know, in his holiness and
in his righteousness, if there's sin, there has to be
a consequence or a standard. And that's of course that's
the good news of Jesus. That we can be reconciled.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
God couldn't look.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
And that's the whole point of when Jesus was on
the cross, and it was the first time he said,
my God, my God, as opposed to Father, my God,
my God, why have you forsaken me? Because at that
point the sins of the world were put on Christ
to take once and for all, and.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Jesus felt that weight and separation. And that's the whole point.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Of us having a relationship with Jesus Christ. When we
accept him in grace through faith, we finally take that
weight off of ourselves. We have put it on him
for what he did on the cross, once and for all.
And if that message can get out to people to
let them realize, realize that this is what the whole
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plan of salvation has been from the beginning of time,
and it works.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
And when you.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Get that stinking thinking out of the head and into
the heart, then you realize what Christ's mission was from
the beginning of time.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I think too, I mean, know how much thought you
guys give to walking in the spirit, not in the flesh.
When you're walking in the spirit and you're allowing the
Holy Spirit to lead to you and guide you and
you know, avoid sin because the flesh, when you walk
in the flesh, it's it's natural to want to send
You think it's enjoyable until you do it, and then
you're miserable. But I found in my own personal life,
the more that I can repent of certain sins and
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even small sin, just little stuff, the more happy my
marriage is. The better I am as a father, as
a leader, I mean, the better I am in general
because I'm doing it God's way, not my own way.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Stop being a dick.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Yeah, just little stuff like just not allowing your anger
to become rage. You're not, you know, allowing God to
help you with those little sins that like He's like, hey,
like you're my son. I want you to have the
best life possible. Just do it my way. Stop doing
it your way. And I tell my son the same thing,
like why won't you just do it my way? You know,
because I think I know it's better, and with God
it he does know it's better. It's this perfect design,
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you know, the way He created us and his image
to be holy.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
You know, but think you know, remember not so much
you guys, because you're a lot younger on us.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
But remember when we were little and we were.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
In school and we'd you know, color and doing crans
and we'd you know, even though my household was a mess,
I still when I drew our house, it was house
and my sisters, my brothers, everybody with the family was there.
The dog was there. That's how I do it. And
there was a rainbow in the sky that was a
that was a positive thing in life. That's God's promise
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that he will never destroy mankind again. And they've they've
taken it and they've thrown it in his face. And
I don't I mean, who was it that started the
whole rain thing.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I don't know, but you everything are incredible. Rainbows are
when you like, somebody says, hey, give me proof that
God exists. Well, he says here in the in the
scriptures that you know, the rainbow is a sign on
ever flowed the earth there.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It is like, I mean, when I see that, I immediately
think of God.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Go too. Yeah, I never think if I see.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
One in an ad, I don't think probably thinking that's
there's a there's a difference.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
And if you were torn around your wrist, it would
look like you're supporting something not not you know, explaying
God's promise, but it's terrible. Yeah, something's correct.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
I mean hell, I mean it's again Satan's he's a genius, right,
Like the guy is smart. I mean, why wouldn't you
take something like that and flip it around.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
He's a deceiver, the corruptor. He likes to tell things
and twist it for his good Yeah he laughs. Yeah,
he's a counterfeit expert.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I think Christians people think that we fixate on that
one sin so much, but I think we're responding to
what culture is pushing. If there was an adulterers Month,
I think we would all of a sudden, you hear
Christians going is bad?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Like right now, we.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Don't talk about it as much as home sexuality because
it's not being pushed in our culture, but because it
has become such a prevalent thing.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I mean, what else are we supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Are we supposed to be quiet and be like, okay,
we're not going to say anything.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Well, I think you hit the nailed head right, Like,
it's if you're going to push it in our face,
we're going to push back, right, you know, And that's
one of the ones that push it in our face
is like okay. Well, and because there are a certain
amount of people that actually are that way, it makes
us seem like the enemy, which causes all this anger
and sustain and you know, and then of course you
have the Christians that are saying, oh, well, Jesus loves
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everybody or pseudo Christians. I mean I don't and maybe
they are right. I mean I don't want to see
even I can't judge them, right, like, and he does
love everybody, but like he also says, don't do that, right,
So like, and I kind of have a policy. And
I've said it to people that you know are homosexual
and gay before and I'm like, listen, like you know,
We've had conversations about it, and they know that I'm
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a Christian, and I'm like listen, like, you know, if
I'm okay with who you are, I love you for
who you but like, at the end of the day, like,
if you ask me for what you're doing the sin,
I'm not gonna lie to you. So either don't bring
it up or you know, and we just have a
relationship that's right there, right, and it works out just fine,
and it has worked out just fine.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You know.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
One of the guys I worked with recently. I mean
he's homosexual. Actually, ironically, this guy went to seminary and
ended up leaving seminary and he's been with a man
now for twenty some odd years and has a son
and they adopted a kid. And you know, he's a
great guy. I mean, if you met him, you never know.
I mean, which is fine, I mean, and I mean
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he's a great guy. But at the end of the day,
like he actually left seminary, and I believe he didn't
tell me this, but because you know, if he.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Had those tendencies with conviction.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I think it's funny how some people all of a sudden,
it's like there's they almost seem surprised that Christians are
against this or that the Bible doesn't agree with it.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I mean, they do want to conform.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
They want a twist scripture and say God loves everybody,
so how can this be a bad thing. But whenever
the Christian Church or even the Catholic Church years ago,
they made a statement, they had they had some kind
of the statement about how they're not for that, and
people freaked out. They're like they're surprised, Like are you
really surprised? Have you ever read the Bible, Like, do
you know what the Bible really says about this?
Speaker 6 (26:18):
By the way, check out what is it Deuteronomy or Levitigus.
Check out Levitigus, find all the figure out all the
other stuff you're doing wrong. By the way, in Romans
one is to me, it's very clear.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
So during this month there's a lot of people talking
about it, talking against it, and so I just thought it's.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Let me ask you a question. This is going to
be a good one. Can homosexuals go to hell go
to heaven? Or do they go to hell?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Can a homosexual go to heaven or do they all
just go straight to hell?
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Well, what's the requirement for going to heaven? I mean,
what's the what's the only thing you must do? Be
free of sin? After accepting Jesus or or accepting him,
they're accepting him.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
And and also here's the other thing too. Is it
possible for somebody to be a homo sexual too, to
be attracted to the same sex but not practice I
know one, yeah, yeah, I've heard of you know, I've
heard of people who they have those tendencies. And so
I mean, do you define that as a homosexual. Somebody's
attracted to the same sex, but maybe they don't practice.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Maybe.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I mean, like like, maybe I have a tendency to
be angry and and I want to kill somebody, but
I don't do it.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I'm not a practicing killer.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I was there this week.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, so so Yeah, to answer that question, I think
somebody can have those tendencies, they can struggle with it,
and maybe maybe it's a thorn in the flesh that
they're dealing with. But they they've accepted Jesus and they're overcoming,
and I think they're still gonna They're still going to
go to heaven.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
If you if you break it down, what is what
is homosexuality is unrepentant sin? And do we all have
unrepentan sin of some sort that we're still walking in
knowingly or not knowingly, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Because yeah, all of our future sins are covered present, future, past.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
So and I did see some guys.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I saw some people respond to one of these online
posts and basically say, I'm homesexual, but I love the
Lord and I'm struggling and I'm trying to overcome this
and I'm not right. I'm celibate, and I'm overcoming this
and ten years ago, I'd never heard of that, and
I just thought, if you're this, it's bad, that's sinful,
You're wrong, You're not going to heaven. Now I'm like, wow, okay.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
You mean you can have temptations and not give into them.
That's a possibility.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
From the movie Rudy, all right, And I think Trey
match in a couple of weeks ago when the Rudy
was talking to the priests and he said, there is
a God and I'm not him. And for me to
say who goes to heaven who can't, that's not up
to me other than what I know in my life
personally with my relationship with Jesus Christ that I have
accepted him one time through faith. My whole goal is
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to get as many people to be on the right side.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Totally agree with you, guys.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
I mean I think that you know it's it's no
different than any other sin, right, And I mean we
all struggle with it.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I mean, go to Target.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Someday sometime on a Wednesday afternoon when all the soccer
moms are shopping and tell me that, like, you're not
going to have an immortal thought. I mean sorry, like
it's good, it's that we live in Viera, Florida and
there's a lot of soccer moms.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, I mean the second second though, it's okay to
notice something stay and just.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
You put fifty people, fifty of them in front of it,
they'll be a second second like you can't help it.
I mean I can't. I mean, and the truth is,
but now do I walk up and do something about it?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
No?
Speaker 6 (29:39):
I don't like and I usually feel bad and I'm like, God,
I should have thought that or whatever. But like my
point is is that we sin all day long. We
don't want to admit it as Christians. And that's the
biggest thing. Like Christians never want to admit that they sin. No,
it's like, oh no, we're Christians. We don't sin now, bullshit,
you sin probably as much. You might even send more
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now because you know what sin is like, which is
the crazy thing. But so you can't say that somebody's
homosexual can't get into heaven or that they shouldn't find
Jesus or whatever. And I think these months like this,
they they they're they're designed by the deceiver to divide
us and create tension. And it's and we're supposed to
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we shouldn't celebrate it with him, but we should take
it as an opportunity to be like, hey, like I just.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Want to let you know that I still love you and.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
God loves you. As a plan that's better than this.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Yeah, I don't agree with what you're doing, but I
also don't agree with my buddy Michael, who's looking at
you know, chicks at Target, you know what I mean, Like,
and we're really close, so like we can still be friends.
I just you know, I think sometimes it's the deceiver
is pretty good at what he does.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
And because people quantify, they put a number on sin
that this is bigger than others.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
And I mean, and that was part of upbringing.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
You know, there was mortal sins and there was venial
sinse yeah, oh h they put a title on it.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I feel like our country, though, is possibly in a
state like the last verse of Judges. A lot of
you guys know this one, but verse twenty five and
chapter twenty one, it says in those days there was
no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in
their own eyes and just kind of like, hey, don't
judge me, Like I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do,
You're gonna do what you're gonna do. But I just
want to keep on staying in this place where I
can just do whatever my flesh desires and whatever, like
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you know, it burns for I'm gonna keep on cooling
my flesh with a sin. When like the burning can
be taken away, you know, the change can happen.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Do you think Satan's gonna stop? I think we're kind
of in a lull right now.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
He's gonna continue to he knows he's running out of
time and he's gonna ramp it up. And Christians are
gonna be persecuted more and more than we ever have before.
So are we gonna stand up for what is right?
Are we gonna take the philosophy that Jesus did and
that is to love people in there sin and continue
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with that message, or are we gonna fall by the
wayside and let the world, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Just basically say yeah, like you said, what makes you
feel good.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
If you watch kind of what's going on in the
world right now with the Middle East and Russia and
all these things that are happening. And Trump's first presidency,
he almost got all the tribes of Israel together. So
I don't think we're that far off. I think we
might be in this pre stage of what's coming next.
And a lot of that is I take from Pride
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Month and things like that, because the im morality now
is becoming more of the normal, and God's going to
eventually say, hey, like there's not another side of Gomorrah.
I'm not doing another arc. It's the end, right, and
we're just gonna squash this and start over with a
new Earth. And I'm very curious to see what the
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next ten to fifteen years. And part of that I
think is some of the technology is coming out now.
You know, I was the guy that runs Microsoft CEO.
I think his name is Satya. He said forty percent
of codes now being done by AI. And you're starting
to see the elimination of the need of humans, which
there's a lot of we can go this could be
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a whole topic to itself, but part of what's that issue,
and with Elon must say, within the next three to
five years, robots for your home that actually can do
things for you. So we're starting to eliminate the need
for the human, which means that we're going to start
to become lazier and lazier, which is going to lead
to what more sin, right, because now we have more
time and I think as the world speeding up and
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this law is happening that you're talking about, we're kind
of in this transitional phase. It'll be interesting to see
how much longer God allows us to be debauchrous, allows
us to be lazy, you know, and start to have
that time on our hands, because time is really not
a good thing for humans.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Like, yeah, what did he say? This whole thing that
bothers me the most is the grooming of the children
with this whole ideology, but better for you to have
a stone around your neck than to lead a child
to strey exactly.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Well, I mean one of the first times we see
Jesus in the Bible is he's, you know, with the children. Yeah,
I mean he I mean he's I mean, that's who
he cares about because he knows, like that's where they learn,
and that's what It's kind of what I' getting at.
It is like you can't like the more time people
have to start grooming children and start taking the mm hm.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Well, anytime that somebody tried to keep children or anybody
from coming to Jesus or trying to deceive them. That's
when he got pissed, and that's when he really you
saw him throwing stuff and calling people out. The rest
of the time, like you know, the woman at the well,
he was he was graceful, Like he was very calm
and graceful and how he approached it. So I guess
as Christians we need to know when when do we
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be graceful and when do we stand up and go, hey,
this this is wrong and I'm not going to put
up with it.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Yeah, Jesus was great at meeting people where there are
He kind of he would he would give, you know,
he would give that difficult hand to the Pharisee. But
then he would come to the woman at the well
where she already knew she had conviction of her sin.
She didn't need to be told anything. You know, she
was in a whitewashed toomb, and he came to her
and helped her to see, you know, her deprivity and
how much she needed him. And I mean that was beautiful.
The way he did it different with everybody that you know,
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the layman or whatever. He just kind of met them
where they were.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, and there's that scripture that says, it's his loving
kindness that brings us to repentance. He didn't go all
hell fire and brimstone on that woman. He had loving
kindness and it exposed. I mean, she like called herself out. Yeah,
And so you know, I think sometimes we, even if
we are graceful, there'll be times for word misunderstood or
somebody just wants to They want to call us bigots
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no matter what, and so we have to expect that sometimes.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
I think the biggest challenging accepting the gospel is pride.
And that woman the world didn't have pride. He didn't
need to break that down. She was already broken down.
But for a lot of us, we have such a
pride that's going to prevent us from receiving the gospel,
even hearing it with falling deaf ears. And anybody would
blind that person because the pride says, get it. It's
a good message, but I don't need it. I'm good.
That kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Well, interesting conversation, Yeah, baby, we wrap this one up.
Do we fixate on certain sins more than others or
are we just responding to what the culture is pushing
on us? I think, you know, again, as we stay
in the Word. As we pray, we will know better
how to respond in the way Jesus would. I think
some people maybe they're not as connected to the Lord
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and to the Word as they think they are, and
so they see something and they just start yelling all
the time. When the only tool you have is a hammer,
everything looks like a nail. We need to I think
as long as we're connected and praying that we will
know better how to respond. So we definitely want to
extend grace, but still stand on the truth. So that's
that's where we're at.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Jesus's two commandments, Believe in love. That's that's he run
into all the six hundred and thirteen up into two.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, love is amazing.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
And to share that grace with truth at the same time,
you know, to share the truth of them, but with grace,
not with you know, fire and brimstone if we talked.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
About right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
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Speaker 1 (37:18):
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Speaker 2 (37:21):
And we just look forward to getting back and always
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And with that being said, I'm Brad.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I'm Michael, I'm Jerry, and I'm Jeremy.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
We are the There's a show.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
On HBO called Mountainhead with Steve Carell, and it's these
four billionaire tech guys and one of them has an
app that it does a bunch of AI type stuff,
but people are using it to create false news stories
and so there's riots like happening all over the world,
like there's uprisings, and the guy's going, oh this, it's
obviously it's fake, you know, it's AI.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
And he's laughing about it, but it's causing him like real,
what was yet? But he was
Yo, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are gonna get real about men's issues, who Jesus
is and who we are as men in Christ. We're
gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael, and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the cousin Christians. All right, guys,
what is going on? Body is probably he's probably probably
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ate clean.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
I mean you, what's your wife?
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I'm Catholic. Jesus is ripped. I know that he's still
on the cross. Somebody should tell them you got down
from there and send it into heaven.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
I can always tell the Catholics with the you know
my my gold chant.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Is like this, but the Catholics still have Jesus on it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
I almost feel like it's like Ricky Bobby, how you
want to picture Jesus? How he wants a six pound
seven house baby Jesus. He's like, I'll make my Jesus
hearver I want. Jesus really is man? You got that cross?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Nice?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And he was, well, welcome back, Jeremy, thank you, chef.
He's been out for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, well Trey's out today. He's taking care of some stuff.
So so you're in the seat filling in you in
the hot seat. Well, yeah, I was out last week
too because and Trey mentioned it. Uh my daughter in
law gave birth our Oh yeah, our second granddaughter came
a week early. Our first granddaughter was ten days early.
(01:28):
And you know how doctors always talk about, you know,
you should read to your child when they're in the womb.
So I know the babies can hear us. So I
know the babies know they know what they're do but
I just think it's didn't consider it.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You know, they come a week early.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
It's like we got wind to rearrange plans and stuff,
and it's like, you know, babies know they know when
they're supposed to come, so I just you know they're
coming out early.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
I'm like, come on, man, read the womb.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I was biting on you too, because I was like,
what are you going to do? Yeah? Why why are
you going? Why did you leave us?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
But but she was she was born before we left,
so it's like, all right, she's here, so go up
there and hang out and support and everything.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
So it's good.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
So my my my other granddaughter's like nineteen months old.
She calls me grand dude. Saw a grand dude twice.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah, yeah, that's all it fits. You know, I've never
heard that one. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
That's why I'm not a grandpa.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
You have to pick guitar, get that title.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yes, yeah, yeah, that's part of it. And you have
to do left handed guitar and snowboard that kind of thing. Well,
Jeremy Franz, thanks for sitting in.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yes, sir, what's going on with you?
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Man? We're just doing life and walking through trials and
trusting God through it all.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, sounds sounds like most of us.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
And I ended up in a hospital bill last week
for five days. You did, yeah, out of now where.
I had chest pain on a Saturday, and because I'm young,
I felt like my body's fine, nothing's wrong. It's probably
a pulled muscle, and had shortness of breath for several days,
and then ended up going to the er and Tuesday,
three half days after and had a huge new orthorwax
(02:54):
when my lungs were completely collapsing left side.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Holy.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, so they put a chest tube in me and
so long. It's just spontaneous being tall and thin. It's
just a commonly known thing that it can happen. And yeah,
so I had a chest tube in and and I
was in the hospital for five days and got it
out and back on my feet and do my thing.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Dude, you gotta text on me. Hear that stuff.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
I know some of these people said that Mark rags are.
He's like, man, you gotta text me earlier. I'm like,
I'm like, I'm not going to being a patient. Usually
I'm on the visitors. That's first I've ever tried this role.
I don't. I don't like it as much. Coming from
a background nursing. I I'm used to be on the
other side of the town, you know.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Right exactly.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
As I get older, I don't really sleep anymore. It's just,
you know, a nap between pee breaks.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, pretty much. I'm like, four hours.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
What is going on?
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I'm like, I don't know, man, it's crazy. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
That's what you have to look forward to. Jeremy.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
There, I'm both you, Jeremy.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
I'm hoping to get there something right.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Well, they say the two times that you age or
you really see a notice or that you really noticed
is forty four and sixty. And I think when I
look back forty four, I kind of did notice you
know my face. Things started to change, but sixty I
think might happen a couple of years before. I think
I really started. When I look at myself in the mirror,
I see myself in pictures, I'm like, I'm not that
(04:13):
young guy anymore. Yes, you know, and I understand it,
all those open golden years my ass.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
You know, it's like.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Right, you know your limits.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
No.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
I thought when I turned forty, all of a sudden,
like it literally was like two months before I turned forty,
I have high blood pressure. You know, all this shit
just like went downhill, and I was like, damn it,
like this is forty that's cool. Wait, you know, and
now you're telling me forty four. So I got three
more years until I have another big, a big change.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
You'll notice it.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
That sucks your early.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
A couple of months ago, I went to pick up
some Mexican takeout and somebody ordered to margarita, so I
had to give them my license. They have to look
at it. The girl looks at it and she goes, oh, wow,
was like.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
A long time ago.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
What does that mean? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
She's like, when was this picture taken? I'm like, I
don't know, ten to fifteen years ago. Give me that back.
She's like, you don't look anything like that anymore. I'm like, okay,
did you have this you no, it was it was different,
but yeah, I look at it too, and I'm like, dude,
that doesn't look.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Anything like me.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
I know.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Funny ones are the ones you don't have to be
like LinkedIn or something. It's like that guy doesn't look
like that anymore.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
That's I had a colleague.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
You know how a picture comes up on teams and
in our emails, and I had a colleague.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
She goes, how long have you been with the company?
And I told her. She goes, how old is that picture?
Speaker 5 (05:29):
And I said, that's the first picture taken when I
entered the company, so it's I was twenty some years old.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Oh really, Oh yeah, I haven't updated. I'm not going
to update it.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You ever see those people on social media? Every picture
of them, it's like a certain angle. It's like it's
like they found they found the one angle they like.
So every picture, whether they're like the part of their
friends or whatever, they're all like to the side and
one legs forward.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
And they're kind of doing this. I'm like, Okay, something's up.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And women have this this pose they do where the
knee is bent and.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It's inn and one elbow out.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
They've got the pose. It must be school they go
to to learn how to pose.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
All I know is that my wife will only take
pictures on one side.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Of her face. That's what I'm saying, Like she has
a side, and I'm like, I spend the knee. I'm sure. Yeah,
I mean all that, but I just I don't.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
I'm like, I thought his face was pretty symmetrical, Like
I mean, it's just kind of like your face.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
I don't know, Like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
It's important. Well, our subscriber base on YouTube is growing nice.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, where are were at now?
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Four hundred and fifty five subscribers? Sweet, So it's slowly growing.
So if you're listening to us right now, pull over
and watch us on YouTube. And yes, so kind of
the format if you're new to the cussin Christians format
is for guys eating wings and talking about Jesus. It's
it's more of like a Friday night conversation as opposed
to a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Morning all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Uh, there are there's tons of great shows out there
with theologians and pastors and.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Guys that they break it down a different way.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
But we're just like four regular dudes hanging out on
a Friday night after a while week and just getting
real about what's going on. And so that's kind of
the format of the show and I hope you get
something out of it. We we don't always leave with
everything buttoned up.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
But we or theologically correct at all times.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, but all we know is we aren't Catholic, but we.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Have our Catholic friends.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
You know, he Chicago has a pope, I know, yeah,
and you hear they want to take his childhood home
in eminent domain from the people that are living there.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
The Catholic church does why justus.
Speaker 5 (07:35):
It's like Baby Bruth House is Baltimore. That's a museum
they took there. You walk out of the stadium and
there's footprints that say Babe Bruth House, Babe Bruce House.
So you walk, you follow the footprints all the way
to his house. It's pretty cool, huh. But anyway, they
want to take his house and.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
That is kind of cool. Well, it's an interesting time
of the year. It's June, so we all know that's
Pride month and every year that you know, kind of
comes up and it's such an divisive.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Want rainbow back.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, and you see people posting four and against and
it just made me wonder, as Christians, do we fixate
on certain sins more than others?
Speaker 6 (08:11):
Well?
Speaker 4 (08:12):
And do we celebrate in our culture more sins than others?
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Like what absolutely?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
I mean if I said, hey, this is Jeremy Chef,
he's my friend, he's an adulter or whatever it is,
you know, like that would seem silly to introduce him
by his sin.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Right, Well, they celebrate the sin. That's what, probably months.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Ago, becomes an identity. Though you know that that addictionary
that sin is an identity, and that's kind of a
unique thing. I don't think there's too many other sins
that become an identity of who you are versus something
that you.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Do, right, you know, I don't know if I fully
agree with that though. I mean, look at like the
only fans thing, right, Like you look on YouTube and
you know, get on like a lot of social media
and you see these onlyfan models that are like you know,
they're they're obviously doing pornography and doing lots of things
they shouldn't do. But yet you know, we're like, oh,
(08:57):
this is so and so she you know, she's an
only fans.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
We're celebrating. Yeah, a lot of sin, Like.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I don't care.
Speaker 5 (09:06):
I really don't, to the point of why does what
you do in your in your bed have to be
portrayed on me? And I have to accept it. I
don't or celebrated or yeah it's and keep it to yourself.
I don't celebrate what I do in my wedding bed
or you know, at my house. It's none of it's
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nobody's business.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Well, isn't pride Obviously all sins are equal, But isn't
pride the most dangerous or something like that?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Well, it pride comes before a fall, but it's it's
also the sin because that was like originally what Satan
in heaven wanted to be like God.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So maybe that's why it's called.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I think pride like a wedge that is between us
and God, isn't In the Proverbs it says God opposes
the projects gracious? Yeah, And I think that that that
pride is always like I can do it myself or
I can I can do it my way and I
don't need God's way and stuff like that. And I
think that that's that slippery slope that leads a lot
of other sin.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
And I had a conversation with my son last night about,
you know, the homosexual movement.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I don't I hate anybody. I really don't. I don't hate.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
Gays or in fact, I had a couple of friends
in Indiana that were they were my friends, but I didn't.
You know, I love the sinner, but hate the sin.
And you know, something that happened to me this week
because of that organization.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
It was just wrong.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
And I just I'm at the point where why do
I have to accept the philosophy that doesn't line up
with my beliefs or biblical teaching?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Why is it shoved on men? Why do I have
to accept it? Where did that all happen?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Well? I mean, what's even crazy? Is uh? You know?
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Obviously I'm starting to apply for jobs again and it's
one job applications?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
What's your sexual aritation?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Yeah, you know it's interesting too, Like I think it's
I think it's deep down that people who are doing
this they know it's wrong, that is morally wrong, and
they want to be accepted anyways. They want us to
accept it as good when our convictions tell us that
only God is good and that what he created is good,
the perfect unity between man and women. So if we
don't accept it, then we're not saying that it's good.
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And they're they're feeling convicted by.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
That, you know what I mean, I really think they
I think people have given over to depraved mind.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Deprave mind.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I thinks. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I just think a lot of Christians don't want to
seem they don't want to be biggots, they don't want
to seem intolerant. Because I saw a couple of guys
that we know in respect that they posted homosexualities and
exomination of God, and some of the comments.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Were, like, you people are hypocrites.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
God loves everyone, you know, and so it's interesting there's
more of a defense of that sin than any other
that I see.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
And they're not wrong. God does love every right, but
he doesn't love that act of homosexuality.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
And I think that I think the consequences are obviously different.
You know, if I steal a Snickers bar, it's not
going to end my marriage, but if I cheated my wife,
I mean, they're both sins. They're both equally separating me
from God. But consequences of one are going to be
much more.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Severe, earth earthly consequences.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
But I'd take everything through the lens of how Jesus
looks at What would Jesus say to somebody and how
would he convince them that what they're doing? Because if
you have an accounter with Jesus that we all have,
we've had this incounter with Jesus, that it's changed our thinking,
changed our way of life as far as the sin
we used to be in compared to the grace that
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we're under now, even though we still were sayings that
still sin. But you know, and a good example. My
niece was a lesbian for years. She had a partner,
a huge Notre Dame fan. We have her over for
our Saturday football games tailgates and I just loved on her.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
I loved her, you know. But she was raised in
the Church.
Speaker 5 (12:59):
She knew that truth in the scripture that I, you know,
raise up a child in the way he should go
when he is old, he shall not depart from it.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
So I believe that wholeheartedly.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Now Lauren is married to a man, two wonderful little boys,
and she talks about that time in her life, and
I think that there is no one or any situation
that Christ can't can't heal, absolutely and totally.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I truly believe that, and that's one of them.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
I don't hate the homosexual movement, but I don't believe
in it, and I shouldn't have to accept it because
and don't call me a bigger because I'm not a bigger.
I'm just wholeheartedly believe in the truth of the word.
And my whole point is that none should perish. That's
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my whole point.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
And if you really love your neighbor as you love yourself,
you love them enough to not want them to continue
to damage theirselves, themselves and their soul by doing these sins.
And you're right, like it's easy to put societally sin
higher than others, Like it's it's more okay to be
judgmental than it is to be a homosexual. Like no,
not at all. It's it's equal in God's eyes. And
I don't want, you know, anybody to be walking in
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that for themselves, not just you know, not because of
my opinion or something.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
Well, And it's interesting because like you know, you know,
it's kind of like trying to think of like it's something.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That you would do.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
But like, let's call it the drug addict, right that
they want to surround themselves and make it seem like
it's okay. Right, It's like, oh, it's okay, right, Like
you know, I just smoke pod, I just smoke, I
just do this, I do that, right, And they start
surrounding themselves with people, and then eventually it's like, you're
trying to make everybody feel like it's okay because you know,
this is what I do.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Right.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
It's not that different, right, Like it's the same thing.
You know, they're they're doing a sin that is obviously
not okay, but you want to make everybody around you
feel like it's okay, so you can justify why it's okay.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And almost in.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Society, for whatever reason, is starting to say, oh, it's okay, right.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
So that's why they've created parades in a whole month
and everything like that. Oh yeah, they're trying to kind
of convince everybody else that it's okay.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
I mean, and maybe it's not like as top of
mind as we want to think it is. I mean,
I think from our side of the table, it's like, oh, well,
this is all very intentional. I don't think that's that's
where their minds are at, right, Like, I think it's
more of a hey, I'm normal right in my own body,
but yet we're looking at it through the lens of
the cross and we're saying no, no, no, God says this
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is not normal.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Well, it's interesting because in the news they have talked
about how there's been a lot of these corporations that
we're sponsoring pride, praise and things. A lot of that
they're drawing back now, and like I think Target doesn't
have the displays on that they had a year ago
because there has.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Been a backlash.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
So I think it's interesting that there is some public
withdrawal from some of that, at least from businesses and
things like that. And we did an episode a few
months ago where we talked about is sins sustainable and
how you you know over time, like like truth stands
the test of time, and things that were true thousands
of years ago are still true. But some of these newer,
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these newer movements, because the pride thing has become it
was really strong now and a few years ago, but
we're starting to see some people pulling back from that.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, I think the country is more conservative as a
whole than some people would think. And it's more of
a fringe thing where you know, social media can elevate
a platform small amount of people to be so loud.
But really, when these companies go out on a limb
and bud light, they try something, they see how it goes.
You know, it didn't go well at all for them,
and some of these other companies are like, maybe this
isn't such a good idea. We're kind of ostracizing ourselves
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from the entire market.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Like, you're right, I think we are all more conservative.
We want to make our own choices. We want to
we don't want to be force fed what decisions we
need to make, and deep down we know what's right
and wrong too, right, But then you have these like
porizing sides, right, Like let's let's talk about abortion for
a minute, right, Like, that's another sin that we can all,
you know, talk about. You know, if you're a Christian,
(17:08):
it's definitely a sin. And if you don't believe that,
let's talk about when life starts. But you know, it's
a I think we're trying to justify sin in society
right now, because you know, we don't want to be controlled, right.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Well, nobody wants to call anything a sin except maybe murder.
Apart from that, it's like, well, people bristle at that
word if you bring it up there, like, oh, that's
that's an old religious thing, Like how could that be
a sin? If I really love somebody or if it
feels good, how could that really be a sin?
Speaker 5 (17:37):
What sin means is that it's what separates us from
the father, who ultimately wants to have a relationship with
all of us created. We're created in his image, so
he wants to have a relationship with us, you know,
And I don't get I still my head hurts whenever.
I mean, it went from gay and lesbian to how
many letters are there now in a plastic place.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
I think they just cut it back and then put
a plus in front of it because they couldn't figure
out all the and the flat. I'm saying one of
these job applications, like what pronouns do you want to
call it?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Sis? Sis? But but I mean all this shit, I'm like,
I don't know, I don't have one. I call me me.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
There was a.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Comedian that said, yeah, I was inviting some invited a
friend over and and he and he goes, well, they
are coming, and he said, so I made a bunch
of food and then they showed up and it was
one person. It's like silly, you know, and he's like,
they better eat all this food. I think.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
I mean, if you think what it really comes down to,
you talking about about the sin, and I always remember
sin as anything that goes against God's will. And just
like a child sometimes will be disobedient and not want
to do what their parents tell them or their father
tells them, like I think as a society, a lot
of people just don't want to conform their life to
what God says to do. Like they want to do
it their way. They don't want to be control or
submit to anything or any one, and that includes God's will.
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And that's and that's a dark place to be because aultimately,
whether you have salvation through Jesus or you're an unbeliever,
you're going to pay for your sins. Now, You're going
to pay. Like you if you steal something, you know,
God's that going to punish you eternally, but you may
go to jail. You know, if you rob somebody, you're
gonna pay for it today. And people are seeing that
the you know, repercussions of their actions or the fruits
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of their ways in that sense.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
But I always go back to thinking about the nature
of God and who he is. If you have a holy,
righteous God, what is he supposed to.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Do with sin?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Like he has a standard because he's holy and righteous,
and so there's a standard there that we can't meet.
I mean, we break it all the time. That's what
sin is. But it's not because he's just an angry dude.
It's like, I don't want you to do these things.
It's it's like, by his very nature he's pure and holy.
It's like it's like a fire. If you have a
fire and you throw things into it, the fire is
not going to discern and go, well that's a that's
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a tin can. I'm not going to burn that. By
its nature it is heat. It's pure, you know what
I mean, Like it's pure consuming fire, and it's it's
not going to make an accept for one person or another.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
It is what it is.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Like, that's what God, you know, in his holiness and
in his righteousness, if there's sin, there has to be
a consequence or a standard. And that's of course that's
the good news of Jesus. That we can be reconciled.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
God couldn't look.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
And that's the whole point of when Jesus was on
the cross, and it was the first time he said,
my God, my God, as opposed to Father, my God,
my God, why have you forsaken me? Because at that
point the sins of the world were put on Christ
to take once and for all, and.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Jesus felt that weight and separation. And that's the whole point.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Of us having a relationship with Jesus Christ. When we
accept him in grace through faith, we finally take that
weight off of ourselves. We have put it on him
for what he did on the cross, once and for all.
And if that message can get out to people to
let them realize, realize that this is what the whole
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plan of salvation has been from the beginning of time,
and it works.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
And when you.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Get that stinking thinking out of the head and into
the heart, then you realize what Christ's mission was from
the beginning of time.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I think too, I mean, know how much thought you
guys give to walking in the spirit, not in the flesh.
When you're walking in the spirit and you're allowing the
Holy Spirit to lead to you and guide you and
you know, avoid sin because the flesh, when you walk
in the flesh, it's it's natural to want to send
You think it's enjoyable until you do it, and then
you're miserable. But I found in my own personal life,
the more that I can repent of certain sins and
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even small sin, just little stuff, the more happy my
marriage is. The better I am as a father, as
a leader, I mean, the better I am in general
because I'm doing it God's way, not my own way.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Stop being a dick.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
Yeah, just little stuff like just not allowing your anger
to become rage. You're not, you know, allowing God to
help you with those little sins that like He's like, hey,
like you're my son. I want you to have the
best life possible. Just do it my way. Stop doing
it your way. And I tell my son the same thing,
like why won't you just do it my way? You know,
because I think I know it's better, and with God
it he does know it's better. It's this perfect design,
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you know, the way He created us and his image
to be holy.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
You know, but think you know, remember not so much
you guys, because you're a lot younger on us.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
But remember when we were little and we were.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
In school and we'd you know, color and doing crans
and we'd you know, even though my household was a mess,
I still when I drew our house, it was house
and my sisters, my brothers, everybody with the family was there.
The dog was there. That's how I do it. And
there was a rainbow in the sky that was a
that was a positive thing in life. That's God's promise
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that he will never destroy mankind again. And they've they've
taken it and they've thrown it in his face. And
I don't I mean, who was it that started the
whole rain thing.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
I don't know, but you everything are incredible. Rainbows are
when you like, somebody says, hey, give me proof that
God exists. Well, he says here in the in the
scriptures that you know, the rainbow is a sign on
ever flowed the earth there.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It is like, I mean, when I see that, I immediately
think of God.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Go too. Yeah, I never think if I see.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
One in an ad, I don't think probably thinking that's
there's a there's a difference.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
And if you were torn around your wrist, it would
look like you're supporting something not not you know, explaying
God's promise, but it's terrible. Yeah, something's correct.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
I mean hell, I mean it's again Satan's he's a genius, right,
Like the guy is smart. I mean, why wouldn't you
take something like that and flip it around.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
He's a deceiver, the corruptor. He likes to tell things
and twist it for his good Yeah he laughs. Yeah,
he's a counterfeit expert.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I think Christians people think that we fixate on that
one sin so much, but I think we're responding to
what culture is pushing. If there was an adulterers Month,
I think we would all of a sudden, you hear
Christians going is bad?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Like right now, we.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Don't talk about it as much as home sexuality because
it's not being pushed in our culture, but because it
has become such a prevalent thing.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I mean, what else are we supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Are we supposed to be quiet and be like, okay,
we're not going to say anything.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
Well, I think you hit the nailed head right, Like,
it's if you're going to push it in our face,
we're going to push back, right, you know, And that's
one of the ones that push it in our face
is like okay. Well, and because there are a certain
amount of people that actually are that way, it makes
us seem like the enemy, which causes all this anger
and sustain and you know, and then of course you
have the Christians that are saying, oh, well, Jesus loves
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everybody or pseudo Christians. I mean I don't and maybe
they are right. I mean I don't want to see
even I can't judge them, right, like, and he does
love everybody, but like he also says, don't do that, right,
So like, and I kind of have a policy. And
I've said it to people that you know are homosexual
and gay before and I'm like, listen, like you know,
We've had conversations about it, and they know that I'm
(24:54):
a Christian, and I'm like listen, like, you know, if
I'm okay with who you are, I love you for
who you but like, at the end of the day, like,
if you ask me for what you're doing the sin,
I'm not gonna lie to you. So either don't bring
it up or you know, and we just have a
relationship that's right there, right, and it works out just fine,
and it has worked out just fine.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
You know.
Speaker 6 (25:15):
One of the guys I worked with recently. I mean
he's homosexual. Actually, ironically, this guy went to seminary and
ended up leaving seminary and he's been with a man
now for twenty some odd years and has a son
and they adopted a kid. And you know, he's a
great guy. I mean, if you met him, you never know.
I mean, which is fine, I mean, and I mean
(25:36):
he's a great guy. But at the end of the day,
like he actually left seminary, and I believe he didn't
tell me this, but because you know, if he.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Had those tendencies with conviction.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I think it's funny how some people all of a sudden,
it's like there's they almost seem surprised that Christians are
against this or that the Bible doesn't agree with it.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
I mean, they do want to conform.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
They want a twist scripture and say God loves everybody,
so how can this be a bad thing. But whenever
the Christian Church or even the Catholic Church years ago,
they made a statement, they had they had some kind
of the statement about how they're not for that, and
people freaked out. They're like they're surprised, Like are you
really surprised? Have you ever read the Bible, Like, do
you know what the Bible really says about this?
Speaker 6 (26:18):
By the way, check out what is it Deuteronomy or Levitigus.
Check out Levitigus, find all the figure out all the
other stuff you're doing wrong. By the way, in Romans
one is to me, it's very clear.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
So during this month there's a lot of people talking
about it, talking against it, and so I just thought it's.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Let me ask you a question. This is going to
be a good one. Can homosexuals go to hell go
to heaven? Or do they go to hell?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Can a homosexual go to heaven or do they all
just go straight to hell?
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Well, what's the requirement for going to heaven? I mean,
what's the what's the only thing you must do? Be
free of sin? After accepting Jesus or or accepting him,
they're accepting him.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
And and also here's the other thing too. Is it
possible for somebody to be a homo sexual too, to
be attracted to the same sex but not practice I
know one, yeah, yeah, I've heard of you know, I've
heard of people who they have those tendencies. And so
I mean, do you define that as a homosexual. Somebody's
attracted to the same sex, but maybe they don't practice.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Maybe.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I mean, like like, maybe I have a tendency to
be angry and and I want to kill somebody, but
I don't do it.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I'm not a practicing killer.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I was there this week.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yeah, so so Yeah, to answer that question, I think
somebody can have those tendencies, they can struggle with it,
and maybe maybe it's a thorn in the flesh that
they're dealing with. But they they've accepted Jesus and they're overcoming,
and I think they're still gonna They're still going to
go to heaven.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
If you if you break it down, what is what
is homosexuality is unrepentant sin? And do we all have
unrepentan sin of some sort that we're still walking in
knowingly or not knowingly, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Because yeah, all of our future sins are covered present, future, past.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
So and I did see some guys.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I saw some people respond to one of these online
posts and basically say, I'm homesexual, but I love the
Lord and I'm struggling and I'm trying to overcome this
and I'm not right. I'm celibate, and I'm overcoming this
and ten years ago, I'd never heard of that, and
I just thought, if you're this, it's bad, that's sinful,
You're wrong, You're not going to heaven. Now I'm like, wow, okay.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
You mean you can have temptations and not give into them.
That's a possibility.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
From the movie Rudy, all right, And I think Trey
match in a couple of weeks ago when the Rudy
was talking to the priests and he said, there is
a God and I'm not him. And for me to
say who goes to heaven who can't, that's not up
to me other than what I know in my life
personally with my relationship with Jesus Christ that I have
accepted him one time through faith. My whole goal is
(28:54):
to get as many people to be on the right side.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Totally agree with you, guys.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
I mean I think that you know it's it's no
different than any other sin, right, And I mean we
all struggle with it.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I mean, go to Target.
Speaker 6 (29:08):
Someday sometime on a Wednesday afternoon when all the soccer
moms are shopping and tell me that, like, you're not
going to have an immortal thought. I mean sorry, like
it's good, it's that we live in Viera, Florida and
there's a lot of soccer moms.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, I mean the second second though, it's okay to
notice something stay and just.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
You put fifty people, fifty of them in front of it,
they'll be a second second like you can't help it.
I mean I can't. I mean, and the truth is,
but now do I walk up and do something about it?
Speaker 1 (29:38):
No?
Speaker 6 (29:39):
I don't like and I usually feel bad and I'm like, God,
I should have thought that or whatever. But like my
point is is that we sin all day long. We
don't want to admit it as Christians. And that's the
biggest thing. Like Christians never want to admit that they sin. No,
it's like, oh no, we're Christians. We don't sin now, bullshit,
you sin probably as much. You might even send more
(29:59):
now because you know what sin is like, which is
the crazy thing. But so you can't say that somebody's
homosexual can't get into heaven or that they shouldn't find
Jesus or whatever. And I think these months like this,
they they they're they're designed by the deceiver to divide
us and create tension. And it's and we're supposed to
(30:22):
we shouldn't celebrate it with him, but we should take
it as an opportunity to be like, hey, like I just.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Want to let you know that I still love you and.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
God loves you. As a plan that's better than this.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
Yeah, I don't agree with what you're doing, but I
also don't agree with my buddy Michael, who's looking at
you know, chicks at Target, you know what I mean, Like,
and we're really close, so like we can still be friends.
I just you know, I think sometimes it's the deceiver
is pretty good at what he does.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
And because people quantify, they put a number on sin
that this is bigger than others.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
And I mean, and that was part of upbringing.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
You know, there was mortal sins and there was venial
sinse yeah, oh h they put a title on it.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I feel like our country, though, is possibly in a
state like the last verse of Judges. A lot of
you guys know this one, but verse twenty five and
chapter twenty one, it says in those days there was
no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in
their own eyes and just kind of like, hey, don't
judge me, Like I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do,
You're gonna do what you're gonna do. But I just
want to keep on staying in this place where I
can just do whatever my flesh desires and whatever, like
(31:27):
you know, it burns for I'm gonna keep on cooling
my flesh with a sin. When like the burning can
be taken away, you know, the change can happen.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Do you think Satan's gonna stop? I think we're kind
of in a lull right now.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
He's gonna continue to he knows he's running out of
time and he's gonna ramp it up. And Christians are
gonna be persecuted more and more than we ever have before.
So are we gonna stand up for what is right?
Are we gonna take the philosophy that Jesus did and
that is to love people in there sin and continue
(32:02):
with that message, or are we gonna fall by the
wayside and let the world, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Just basically say yeah, like you said, what makes you
feel good.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
If you watch kind of what's going on in the
world right now with the Middle East and Russia and
all these things that are happening. And Trump's first presidency,
he almost got all the tribes of Israel together. So
I don't think we're that far off. I think we
might be in this pre stage of what's coming next.
And a lot of that is I take from Pride
(32:34):
Month and things like that, because the im morality now
is becoming more of the normal, and God's going to
eventually say, hey, like there's not another side of Gomorrah.
I'm not doing another arc. It's the end, right, and
we're just gonna squash this and start over with a
new Earth. And I'm very curious to see what the
(32:54):
next ten to fifteen years. And part of that I
think is some of the technology is coming out now.
You know, I was the guy that runs Microsoft CEO.
I think his name is Satya. He said forty percent
of codes now being done by AI. And you're starting
to see the elimination of the need of humans, which
there's a lot of we can go this could be
(33:15):
a whole topic to itself, but part of what's that issue,
and with Elon must say, within the next three to
five years, robots for your home that actually can do
things for you. So we're starting to eliminate the need
for the human, which means that we're going to start
to become lazier and lazier, which is going to lead
to what more sin, right, because now we have more
time and I think as the world speeding up and
(33:37):
this law is happening that you're talking about, we're kind
of in this transitional phase. It'll be interesting to see
how much longer God allows us to be debauchrous, allows
us to be lazy, you know, and start to have
that time on our hands, because time is really not
a good thing for humans.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
Like, yeah, what did he say? This whole thing that
bothers me the most is the grooming of the children
with this whole ideology, but better for you to have
a stone around your neck than to lead a child
to strey exactly.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Well, I mean one of the first times we see
Jesus in the Bible is he's, you know, with the children. Yeah,
I mean he I mean he's I mean, that's who
he cares about because he knows, like that's where they learn,
and that's what It's kind of what I' getting at.
It is like you can't like the more time people
have to start grooming children and start taking the mm hm.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Well, anytime that somebody tried to keep children or anybody
from coming to Jesus or trying to deceive them. That's
when he got pissed, and that's when he really you
saw him throwing stuff and calling people out. The rest
of the time, like you know, the woman at the well,
he was he was graceful, Like he was very calm
and graceful and how he approached it. So I guess
as Christians we need to know when when do we
(34:50):
be graceful and when do we stand up and go, hey,
this this is wrong and I'm not going to put
up with it.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
Yeah, Jesus was great at meeting people where there are
He kind of he would he would give, you know,
he would give that difficult hand to the Pharisee. But
then he would come to the woman at the well
where she already knew she had conviction of her sin.
She didn't need to be told anything. You know, she
was in a whitewashed toomb, and he came to her
and helped her to see, you know, her deprivity and
how much she needed him. And I mean that was beautiful.
The way he did it different with everybody that you know,
(35:16):
the layman or whatever. He just kind of met them
where they were.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah, and there's that scripture that says, it's his loving
kindness that brings us to repentance. He didn't go all
hell fire and brimstone on that woman. He had loving
kindness and it exposed. I mean, she like called herself out. Yeah,
And so you know, I think sometimes we, even if
we are graceful, there'll be times for word misunderstood or
somebody just wants to They want to call us bigots
(35:40):
no matter what, and so we have to expect that sometimes.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
I think the biggest challenging accepting the gospel is pride.
And that woman the world didn't have pride. He didn't
need to break that down. She was already broken down.
But for a lot of us, we have such a
pride that's going to prevent us from receiving the gospel,
even hearing it with falling deaf ears. And anybody would
blind that person because the pride says, get it. It's
a good message, but I don't need it. I'm good.
That kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Well, interesting conversation, Yeah, baby, we wrap this one up.
Do we fixate on certain sins more than others or
are we just responding to what the culture is pushing
on us? I think, you know, again, as we stay
in the Word. As we pray, we will know better
how to respond in the way Jesus would. I think
some people maybe they're not as connected to the Lord
(36:23):
and to the Word as they think they are, and
so they see something and they just start yelling all
the time. When the only tool you have is a hammer,
everything looks like a nail. We need to I think
as long as we're connected and praying that we will
know better how to respond. So we definitely want to
extend grace, but still stand on the truth. So that's
that's where we're at.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
Jesus's two commandments, Believe in love. That's that's he run
into all the six hundred and thirteen up into two.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah, love is amazing.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
And to share that grace with truth at the same time,
you know, to share the truth of them, but with grace,
not with you know, fire and brimstone if we talked.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
About right, that's right.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
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Speaker 1 (37:18):
Trey. We're praying for you.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
And we just look forward to getting back and always
breaking stuff down. It's always good to be with you, guys.
And with that being said, I'm Brad.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I'm Michael, I'm Jerry, and I'm Jeremy.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
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Speaker 2 (37:37):
On HBO called Mountainhead with Steve Carell, and it's these
four billionaire tech guys and one of them has an
app that it does a bunch of AI type stuff,
but people are using it to create false news stories
and so there's riots like happening all over the world,
like there's uprisings, and the guy's going, oh this, it's
obviously it's fake, you know, it's AI.
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