July 22, 2025 • 41 mins
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Why are Christians/Churchgoers so quick to point fingers and criticize others, even other Pastors and Christian leaders? Why don't we give Grace to people more freely? The guys break it down.
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Why are Christians/Churchgoers so quick to point fingers and criticize others, even other Pastors and Christian leaders? Why don't we give Grace to people more freely? The guys break it down.
Jeremy appears on the Mountaineers Locker Room Podcast. Check it out here: Mountaineers Locker Room Podcast
#joerogan #podcast #mensministry #christianliving #biblestudy #cussing #charliekirk #joerogan #jasonwhitlock #fearless #menshealth #christianliving #vincevaughn #timtebow #christianmotivation #churchmemes #mensministry #promiskeepers #timtebow
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Yo, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are gonna get real about men's issues, who Jesus
is and who we are as men in Christ. We're
gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the cousin Christians. All right, guys,
what is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Come on? My gosh.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
So I told you guys my brother in laws when
all came in town, and my brother in law wanted
to pick that an arcade. It's in Avida, which is
what an hour and ten minutes from the house. It's
the exact same arcade that's in downtown Melbourne. But he
didn't consult anybody when he picked it out. So like
I'm driving there and I'm like, Ashley, I'm telling you
the one in Melbourne's bigger than the one in Avida.
(00:48):
And she's like, no, this is like a special one.
He did his you know, you know he does his
Google and all those Dennis No, oh, no, he's wanted Raleigh.
And I was like, I'm telling you that the one, Albert.
We're driving an hour and ten minutes for something we
could go twenty minutes down the road for we get there.
It truly is it smaller? It doesn't have nearly make games.
(01:09):
It's even named the same thing. It's part of a
chain of Ashley And we get there by my brother
in law, my other one that I was like, the
one in Melbourne's bigger than that's right, and he guess, yeah, yeah,
I tried to tell h. So anyway, it was funny.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Have you guys ever been to the Villages?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
I went up there Saturday night about that.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Old I used to work up there. It's an interesting,
interesting place.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
They have these squares. Yeah, every I think there's like
ten or eleven of them for each development, like a
mass development. They have these squares that have restaurants and shops.
And they had a Tommy Bahamas shop. They had, you know,
obviously golf cart. They had this gazebra thing. It was
(01:55):
like an old log cabin and stadium seating and they
do free concert every night.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah. Nice, what kind of concerts?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Well, this one was U Motown. The guy that was
saying it was a black guy. He was phenomenal, and
so I'm like, but I didn't see any loof of
sponge on anybody.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It's nice, you know, did you know that it's like
the highest STD rate in the US.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yes, I've read that before.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Yeah, And there's a lot of jokes about the villages
and well, one of them.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Is the loof of sponge. And I was talking to
my buddy Steve, who's the loof of sponge. Yeah, they
put different colored loof of sponges on the golf.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Carts to get to be a signal if you're a swinger,
if you're available.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Or use the pineapple. They use loofers.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
They used to use pineapples upside down pineapple, upside down pineapple.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I've read that grocery cart or where do you put
that at?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I don't know. I don't know. It's not my lifestyle,
so I don't look into it too much.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
That's all I want to do is be eighty four
years old and talking in talking in code about personal thing.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
But I didn't see anym loop of sponges. It was
why were you looking for loof of sponge? Because I
heard that you want to see it available.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
If you can put a loop.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
You're trying to tell us somethinghere. What have we become
after one hundred and seventy something episode.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Driving to the village just to swing?
Speaker 5 (03:16):
So we're we're bright and early on Monday. We typically
record on Fridays, but this week just what everyone schedules us.
We're just We're just average Joe Schmos with average life,
just trying to figure figure this life out.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And uh so, yeah, I gotta make a point too.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
All right, If I block you on social media and
I see you in public, that block still stands. Okay.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
I just want people to know that not approached, Michael,
Where did that come from?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Behind me? Who you blocking on social Man? You can't
say that and not followed up. You can't say the names. No,
don't say the names.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
But like, I just mute people. I mute people for
thirty days. There's so much political stuff. I'm on social
media lesson I've ever been. But just because if I'm
on there for three minutes and half the post are political,
it's just like.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
All right, I'm here. No we came to that? How
did we get this far with social media?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
That way?
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Because I get on it in the morning, like and
I uploaded a reel of I think it was you
and you this morning that I put up upload a
reel and then I do a quick five minutes. But
I feel my anxiety and stress rise with every minute.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
That I'm on social media. It's bothered me.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
And last week we know, you know, everyone realizes John
MacArthur passed away, right, and and like any pastor.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
The knives came out.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Man, I didn't see that like any pastor.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Yeah, the two big news is last week were John
MacArthur and the kiss cam couple of them.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Man, Right, did you see the Phillies game.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, with the fanatics that was so funny. They mimicked
and everybody's doing. The Savanna Bananas were making fun of it. Yeah,
everybody's doing.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
And but even that stresses me out because I mean
over fifty five million views of that, that guy and
his mistress supposedly fifty And that's what that's where our
world is to gravitate to.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That as adultery isn't funny, D's not at all.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
And then John MacArthur passes away.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
This guy is one of the Mount rushmorees of I
guess modern day Calvinism. I mean, you know him and
John Piper and R. C. Sproll, the you know, they
they're they're like the guys. And I can't doubt his passion.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I don't. It's like any other pastor that speaks.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
I don't agree with him on everything, but man, then
I saw people I personally know attacking this guy about
what about about his theology and the lordship salvation and
women preaching and and and then they're firing.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Away at him.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I just want to let the guy die. Man, just
let the guy die.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
And if Christians would quit freaking pointing fingers at each
other and put all their efforts into preaching the Gospel
to the lost, hey, man, what what? How much better
would this world be instead of that? And that's all
social media driven and Satan is just laughing, and if
you ask Joseph Aside, so is China, because they're the
(06:36):
ones that set up everything for us to fight internally
and start making us implode from the inside. But I'm
getting tired of Christians pointing fingers at each other.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's just really starting to bother me.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
And there's there's some expert it's got a camera right
in front of him, and whether they're pointing at the
Catholics or the Baptists, or the Presbyterians or the snake handler,
whatever their point that and trying to find the faults.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Man, it's just ripped it's ripping me up inside because
what I don't I've never read the Bible like he has.
I mean, that was his job basically in the book
wrote right, and so I maybe he has some points
in some areas, But the two things that Jesus asked
us to do is believe in love. Okay, that's it.
(07:26):
So are we doing that as believers? All the other stuff?
I don't know. I just I can't sit there and
condemn somebody, you know, or say that women aren't allowed
to preach. I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Well, and again he was, I mean I guess apart
from that, like like ninety eight percent of his ministry
was above reproach.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So you're going to focus on that two percent.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
That they didn't like, that's what that's after after fifty
sixty years in ministry.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And I mean the guy was I thought.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
I thought he's very biblically sound and unapologetic, like the
veracity of the word. I mean, he was just a
really excellent teacher. And you're going to focus on the
two percent of stuff that was objectionable from his whole life, right,
what's the point?
Speaker 5 (08:12):
And wait, there's a friend to our ministry that was
one of the one of the vocal ones that I.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Was like, gosh, just.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Why, Let's let the guy rest in peace and grieve
for his family and celebrate, celebrate the things he hung
has had on and that was Christ crucified and Christ
resurrected according to scripture.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Let's just focus if we got to solve, focus.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
On that instead of the denominational things that we have
been entrenched in.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Our brains over our lives.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
The word denomination means to divide, to separate, right, and
it's no wonder that since there's like forty thousand denominations
of Christianity worldwide, is no longer we fight with ourselves
more than we do the other others.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I'm like, if it's it's not in the word, don't
push it, don't don't claim it as being. And you
guys know how I was raised. And that's my point.
It's like we we point for well, yeah, you know
that you guys don't believe in this. And you know,
my old neighbor who is upc believed in you have
(09:19):
to baptize in the name of Jesus, not Father, Son
and Holy Spirit. That's their whole hang up, that's one
of their major. It's like, well, baptism doesn't get you
into heaven, so why why do you care about whether
I'm baptizing you in the name of Jesus or I'm
baptizing you in the name of the Father Son in
Holy Spirit. I'm like, come on, people, give me a
(09:40):
freaking break if it's not in the Word. And then
then we take stuff out and we tailor make it
to our lifestyle or or however we think as individuals
we should be leading our lives. And I'm just I'm
so tired of I since I've been coming to cav
And and being part of you guys and impact, I've
(10:02):
got so much freedom in Christ anymore. Tray, I just
I don't think of that crap anymore. I can't go there.
It's like I wake up and I tell the Holy Spirit,
what are we doing today? Who are you gonna ask
me to do something about We try and tailor make
the Word for ourselves, and then when it doesn't line
(10:23):
up with how we think it should be, that's when
we start pointing finger.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Right, I mean, think about it right, like we were
just talking about it before we started recording. Like some
of the biggest arguments we have are over little stuff
that doesn't even matter, right, I mean, it really doesn't matter.
And what a powerful and easy thing for Satan to
do to us, right, And it's like, well, if I
can't beat them, let me have them beat themselves and
let's argue over some little crap doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
But why the Christian finger point always?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Well, like I said, I think it's it's easy, right,
Like we do it in our everyday lives outside of
Christianity too, right, Like think about like go to the
football field and how do you.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Parent your kid?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Well, I mean, as long as the core value there
is good, then whether you spank or don't spank, or
whether you you know, whatever, doesn't matter. You just want
to raise good kids, right, And how you get to
get there, there's one hundred thousand different ways to do it.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
The butt has a crack in it for a reason,
and that's so it does well when you smack it.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
That wasn't my point, but yes, I don't disagree. But
you know, we just everything, We pick on each other
for all the little defects in everybody's lives. That's what
we gravitate to naturally, and it's no different in Christianity.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
A lot of times I'll go to a church, visit
a church, listen to a sermon, whether it's my church
or another one. I'm going to visit and I walk
out and you know, the first conversation that starts up, what.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Do you think of that message?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Well, I think that was kind of shallow today. Or
I do that, I do that instead of you know,
he had like four points that were pretty spot on
that I think we could die deep on. And you know,
or I go to a conference and she says something
from the conference stage instead of oh, they were just
(12:05):
totally off today and I just wasn't into that sermon today,
And well, that's that's all on me, dude.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
So we are dividing. We are the division that is
being caused. What a better way to get people totally
turned off with the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
And that's the that's the infighting amongst Christians. Yeah, people
see it, they notice it. He formed this church. They're
having five, six, seven thousand people a weekend come through
it out in Cali. And you know what, he's kind
of a hard liner on a lot of things, and
that turns people off. He had he has credible views
(12:43):
on so many things. I saw a panel discussion. It
was him and about three other clergymen with old radio
hosts and seeing n Larry Larry King, and they were
asking if an infant dies, where do they go? And
he backed with scripture, undeniably, They're in the arms of Jesus, undeniably.
(13:08):
And he it was Old Testament references.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
But what's the age?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
But yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
I used to have been taught that it was the
age accountability, which is the age in the Old Testament
when or in the Jewish faith is when they would
get bar mitzvah like that age fourteen fifty anything.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
But before that you're not held accountable for. And I'm like,
I don't know who knows, you know. But he he
gave some arguments that were I want, okay, well that
helps me frame things in my mind, and I don't
know where to look now. So he started a purpose
for me on a lot of things, you know, all
in all, man, he trumpeted the cross, the resurrection, and
(13:46):
you know, salvation forever, and those are the things I
totally agree with, and the other ten percent sure, it's
what is it? Is it a non negotiable? What's negotiable?
And what's non negotiable. And and you know, you got
to hang your hat on the stuff that you agree
on across the resurrection, you know, the virgin birth, you know,
(14:07):
all those things we have to we need, you know,
the depravity of man because of sin and what happened
in the garden. Those are things we hang our hat on.
And then the little other extra things like baptism and
all those that. Hey, that's that's all good, good stuff
to talk about. But I'm not going to sit here
and waste my time debating you on it.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Well, I think God, I mean, the whole concept of
Jesus being it right, he had to make it that
simple because we got any.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
More complicated than that. We couldn't we couldn't get there.
What we're doing, well, we're making it difficult.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
That's that's why.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
That's exactly my point, Like he made it so simple
that we even us as humans can't fuck it out them. Yeah,
I mean, because we've up everything out exactly. I mean,
think about it. That's why he had to send a
very simple cure for our sin sickness, and that was Jesus.
And if you after that, I mean, that doesn't give
you a license to sin either. I can just go
(15:00):
out there and being an adulter and do all these
other things, but.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Are you going to pay consequences for that?
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Like the dude with Astronomer's he paid major consequences because
the kiss Kim Astronomer guy.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
You know what bothered me about that is that there
were a bunch of other people that were up there
in that box and they were laughing like when it happened.
So these are people that worked with them, knew that
they were married, Yeah, that's okay, they had families, and
that they were apparently complicit with it, Like they were like, okay,
these two were cheating on their spouses and.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
There's families involved.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
And then there were like five other people in that
picture and they were laughing and kind of fist pumping
and stuff. When when these people got exposed, the first
thing I thought was, Okay, there's two marriages and families
possibly destroyed from this, depending on how they whether or
not they can reconcile. It's like, this is bad, yea,
And imagine your worst moment or whatever on display for
fifty five million people to comment on how bad would
(15:56):
that be?
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Man?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Well, explain thinking about the kids, right, it's not like
he's going to have to bear his thing, right, But
like his kids now, oh yeah, his wife, I mean,
the tonybody who.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Knows them, they're they're gonna be looking at him different.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And then that makes reconciliation even harder, right because now
she it's not like they could keep it private where
it was just a small thing and a very tight
knit group of people knew about her or whatever.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I mean, that's when the Phillies are doing it in
the stadium, well on the kiss camp. I mean, that's
another how many millions of people didn't know about it
now know about it, and it's like it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I was talking about the other day.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
My buddies and I were actually at the football field,
Me and some of the coaches were talking about how
lucky we were that social media wasn't around when we
were in college.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I mean some of the.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Stuff that I mean, I'm very happy people don't know
through video footage what the kind of guy I.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Used to be.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
So going going back to the whole finger pointing thing, like,
what's what is the motivation? Are we so insecure that
we have to drag somebody else down after they're gone
and they can't defend themselves anymore.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
That that bothered me more than anything else. And you know,
it just seems like Christians social media ministries things like
that are always about the tagline to get likes and
then the sniffing to figure out, oh this dude's a
false teacher.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, and that's the crazy part is like, think about
what social media does. It gets likes over the things
that aren't likable. No, yeah, like that's what drives it.
It's completely opposite thinking, like if you want to really
get somebody going, like why did we name our podcast
the Cussing Christians? I dropped the first two fbom it
was probably six episodes, just a yeah. I mean like,
but we did it the Custing Christians because we know
(17:36):
it's going to get people to watch the video.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Yes, and it's just honest, open, real talk. Sometimes it's raw,
and it'll keep the religious people away though, that's right. Yeahs,
I don't want to hear their shit anyway. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
I just see so many ministries, men's ministries others that
that they're the focus is someone trying to make a
point about someone else and trying to prove them wrong.
And I mean if he's a full if the guy,
you know, whoever it is, if it's a full blown
Satanist preaching from a stage, maybe I'll set maybe I'll
(18:13):
get up and say, you know what, there's nothing there
that's credible. But for someone that you know, I believe
got into it with the greatest intentions, maybe they misrip,
maybe they said something out of like we do. I mean,
how many times have I said something that was kind
of off just because of the moment of spontaneity that
we had with this, because we ain't scripted. You know,
(18:35):
this is this is a total free fall, free for all,
free for all, some whole fiction type stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
One of the things he said that I don't agree with,
and Brad, I don't know how you feel about it,
but I just he talked about Hillsong and Bethel music
not being something that.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
There's a lot of people that say that that we
that our church who plays Bethel and Hillsong, that if
we if we subscribe and play their music, were actually
supporting Hillsong and Bethel in there and their false teachings from.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
The most teachings about what I don't know, there is
something about something all the freaking time that you shouldn't
do this, You shouldn't do that, you shouldn't eat this,
you shouldn't do this now, this causes cancer. This causes
diabetes next week.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
By the way, it's good for you.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
It's like, if you watch that crap, I'm just so
sick of it, so I don't even I hardly bother him.
When I go on to Instagram, if you look at
my search, you're going to see comedians and dogs. Those
are the most of the reels that I look at.
Comedians and dogs.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Cool.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
I started noticing some of the Christian finger pointing. I
just came off of an amazing experience on that cruise
with Brandon Lake and.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Filled with.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
And because of that, guess what, my social media was
filled with Brandon Lake stuff, and of course the controversy.
I mean, I guess it got something got controversy when
he decided to bring Jelly Roll into that studio and
play that music.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
It's funny going there because I was just listening to
his song this, that herd.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
That Hallelujah song that hard thought. It's an amazing song,
and we're on the cruise. Jelly Roll wasn't a part
of that cruise, so Brandon Lake sang it acoustically by
himself and it Oh and you're with three thousand, you know,
Jesus freaks.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
We're all just having a ball.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
And but the in fighting in the Christian community, in
the Christian music community that supposedly Brandon Lake recorded that
song then brought jelly Roll into it, and that's when
it exploded. But jelly Roll was still fighting with snorting
coke every once in a while, and you know he's
(20:46):
still dealing with all.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Did you see Jelly Roll's interview about that.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, So they were like they were questioning him and
his belief and he goes, listen, I'm not perfect. I
don't have a figure out right. He goes, but I
believe in Jesus, right, and then figuring the rest out right.
And that's not the exact quote, but I mean that's
essentially what he said. And I was like, man, that
is like the perfect impact quote is like, I believe
in Jeesus, then we'll figure the rest out.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
The Lord is using this guy who is saying I
came as I am. I didn't get cleaned up. I
came as I am. Brandon Lake teamed up with him.
He took heat for bringing jelly Roll in to sell
more records. But the song, if you've listened to the.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Lyrics, they're spot on, man, I know they're spot on.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Well, even some of jelly Roll's earlier stuff, you know,
like he's singing about Jesus and those two like what
was the center one? Yeah, I mean I forget the
name of it, but anyway, it was like one of
his first big hits. And I remember coming up to
the studio and we were over in Melbourne and be like, guys,
if you heard jelly.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Roll, Yeah, I remember you saying we need to try
to find a way to get him on here. And
I still think it'd be cool to get him on
here to talk about his redemption story. But but yeah,
but that's the Christian fighting, that's the end roads.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
That's a yeah but you.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
And I'm just getting warm now. And social media has
just made that explode.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
To say, if you go and listen to John MacArthur's sermons,
he's got a podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Called Grace to You.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
You go listen to those, You're one hundred percent going
to learn something in the word. Because he's the guy
he's literally spent fifty years tremendous insights, so all of
his sermons are great. Maybe he said some things off
off script that were like, oh, I don't like the
way that sounds right, But are you going to throw
everything else out because of that? Are you not going
to benefit from all of that same thing with you know,
(22:32):
elevation and Bethel and Hillsong. I could give you a
playlist of fifty songs that are awesome exactly that you
can sing that you can connect with God. Are you
going to throw this out because maybe they taught something
you don't like?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I mean, where do you the.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Scandal with what's whatever his name is? The New York guys?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
What's the big deal with Bethel and Hillsong in it's
because the prospect prosperity.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Gospel, a lot of people interpreted as a prosperity driven
gospel or you know, signs, wanders and miracles. A lot
of cessation is believe that that doesn't happen anymore, and
they really kind of preach that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I got healed in Mexico, so it doesn't Yeah, your.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Healing didn't happen, But there's a lot of that kind
of stuff. And I also think a lot of it
boils down to the message we love to talk about,
and that's the grace of God. And people have been
pushing against grace for two thousand years. It can't be
that simple, it can't be that good, but.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
It has to be that.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
But it has to be because we're going to it up,
it up.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, I mean, I just I get so passionate about
that piece of it because you know, I'm going through
a time in my life right now.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
That's that's I'm.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Struggling in a lot of ways, you know, I mean
trying to figure out why things are happening the way
they are, and you know, did I do the right thing?
Speaker 5 (23:41):
That?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
You know?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Did I do the things I'm supposed to do?
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Are you do you have sin in your life? Cheremany?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Well? And then are you if you do, you do
you think you're truly safe? Well? That's it, right, That's
the one thing I don't struggle with. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Actually, of all the crap that I'm dealing with every day,
the one thing I don't struggle with is is because
because of these other things, I'll mess up more sometimes, right,
And it's but then because I have Jesus in my life,
I'm like, thank God you were there today because.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I watch you know what.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Movie with Jennifer Garner and the Little Girl Miracles from Heaven.
Holy crap, the thing that those did, those ladies actually
say that to her.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
And oh yeah, yeah, they maybe your daughter wouldn't be
this way if you didn't.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Have sin in your life.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
And come on, dude, I mean and and And that's
that's where MacArthur got some of his backlash, was some
of those type of messages. And then when he told
Beth Moore just to go home, you know, and all
that kind of stuff, which that's the same thing pointing
fingers at her. The church that we they can have
a whole semester of Beth Moore studies.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
They're going to do.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
The woman has been getting the gift and she's preaching
the word, and I'll pay to go sit and we'll
listen to her speak. Sure that one meme just sticks
out to me.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I saw them.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
If Christians will spend less time pointing fingers each other
and more time preaching the gospel to the lost, what
an amazing impact we would have.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
All right, I got another question. Yeah, But yesterday I
had a conversation with a buddy that's really come a
long way from where he was. He gets an invitation
to a relative's wedding who's she's marrying another woman, okay,
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and they have to go back to his hometown for
this one, and we're singing. He does is he gets
on his phone and he googles how should a Christian
deal with a same sex marriage? So it comes up
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and it's all this stuff, and one of them is
a Catholic priest. And the Catholic priest says, and I
get to ask that all the time. You can't go
because because you if you go, you're condoning this. If
you become a part of this, you're condoning it. And
I told him, I said, dude, that's exactly how I feel,
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and that's exactly what I would do. I would take
a stand and say no. Because this particular person, his
daughter's been asked to be in the wedding, but some
of the people have to wear dresses, and then the
other people have to wear suits, even if they're the women,
so it's like they're they're bastardizing the marriage ceremony with
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that whole message. And he's like, I'm not going, I'm
not driving. He said, even said, he said, I'll drive
his wife. I'll drive my wife there, I'll drive you there,
and then I'm going to go someplace else. But I'm
not going to be a part of it. And this
is a guy that three four years ago was you know,
nowhere near this, but now he's taking a stand and
he he believes in his heart because of the Holy
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Spirit that indwells in him, that he should not partake
of that. How would you go? What would you guys do?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
So I was just here thinking about, like, as you're
talking that, I don't know if I'm on the same
side the street as you on this one, because you
might be missing an opportunity to have a conversation.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I mean, I'm not I'm just I'm just thinking, sure,
you know me, I played Devil's advocate and everything, So like,
am I missing an opportunity to be there and actually
have a conversation with somebody that could Do you.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Think that's a venue that's going to give you the
opportunity to.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Have a I think you can have that conversation in
any venue. I don't think there's a venue you can't
have a conversation about Christ and reach somebody. Could I
bring light into the room, you know, versus by that
same token, could you go?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
I mean, would you go to a gay bar and
hope that you're going there to have a conversation.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
No, I mean I wouldn't go because it's just not
I mean if I was with a I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
If I was with a group of people and they
all win, I'd probably go.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I mean, but I don't go to bars anyway, so
it doesn't matter, you know, on the strip club, I
will I stand on that.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I'm not that long ago.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Actually, I was on a boysterp and a couple of
guys wanted to go, and I was like, I'm not going,
and I stayed behind.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
And I think on this example and and I'm looking
at it as my absence might make a stance that
could generate a conversation between me and the two getting
married or the family in a private setting, and I'm
not going to sit there. I'm not going to go
and then sit at my house and get on social
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media and put a picture of this couple up there
and say these guys are going to get married and
sin And I ain't going for this reason.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
X y Z that's the finger point.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
That's that's the line that I can't do that.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Well, and MA me be clear, I'm not condoning.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
No. Yeah, well people out there, I believe me. I
know this guy Sin.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I just yeah, I'm just thinking in my head like
would I actually not go or would I go and
just not? And I would never say, hey, this is okay, right.
I have gay friends. I mean I've they've asked me
my opinion, and I'm like, listen, I don't think this
is the right thing. But I still love you, you know
what I mean. But I don't condone your life story,
just like I know addicts. I mean we go to
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Sita in these places, we know the addicts. We don't
condone their lifestyle either, but we go there.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
I was thinking about why why church people get how
do we get sanctimonious? Like how do we get self
righteous so quickly and so easily? And I thought about,
you know, when I when I was growing up, we
always we never went to nice restaurants, like we always
went to you know, McDonald's after church or Long John
Silver's or whatever. And I never went to like a
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like a white tablecloth high end steak restaurant.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Gold fried Chicken is so good.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
I love Long John Silvers I used to let me.
But anyway, so that's you know, it's fast food. It's
pretty low end stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
More recently we've been some nice steakhouses and once you've
had and you've been to New York, you've had two
hundred dollars steaks. Yeah, so when you hear somebody go, oh, man, Sizzler,
Sizzler's got the best steaks, you probably look at them
go like you kidding me, dude.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
And some people would be like, oh, that's that's pretty uh,
it's pretty sanctimoni. You know, it's very snotty of you.
But I think as Christians, like we we we know
what the truth is. We have the Word, we've got
this connection to God, so we feel like, all right,
we've got the highest order of truth and what works.
And so we look at other people and they're like, well,
they don't know. Like these people in the world they're
still drinking and smoking and whatever they're doing. They don't
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know the Lord, they don't have the truth. So I
think it's very easy for us to feel like we're
so far above them, and that's that's kind of where
the sanctimonious attitude comes, like, oh, they're in sin, I'm
going to turn my nose up at them because I've
been in the Word for years, and I've been going
to church. I've been going to church for years, and
I sing the right songs and i know how to
look and act on Sunday morning. And so I think
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that's where the finger pointing. I think that's why it's
so prevalent in the church. And it happened without some
people even knowing that it's happening. We just become self
righteous because we know the truth, like we we know
things that are good and true, and we're going to
spend eternity in heaven with these other people they don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
It's really hard to look at somebody that you knows
doing something wrong and not be judgmental. Sure, it's a
really hard thing to do, and because you have to
put yourself in their shoes to not be judgmental.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
And it's uh so.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
And I think the sanctimonious folks that they, in my opinion,
they're they're very judgmental, which is the opposite of what
the Word tells us.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
To do, but it's it's harder. That's probably their sin struggle. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Well, and I saw I saw a very prominent Christian
guy that I like and respect comment on this, this
whole kiss cam thing, and he's like, he's like, well,
they should be ridiculed, like like this is they were
committing adulteries is a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
He's like, good, Like, you know, let's let's.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Keep some more.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Really, yeah, let's keep some more shame on them because
they deserve it.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
And okay, but but again, my mind immediately went to
families are destroyed, marriages are going to be wrecked, These
kids are going to have to carry the shame of
what their mom and dad cheating on others.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Like that's where my mind went.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
And so I feel like that's more of the heart
of God than saying, oh, well, they deserve it because
they were cheating on their spouses, so they deserve it all.
I mean, yeah, there's consequences, they're bearing those consequences, but
it's the church. If we're piling on, how does that
mean does that reflect the heart of Jesus to them?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
We hide in our I hid in my sin. I
kept it under the rug, and you know, as men.
If I would have been honest, if to you and said, Trey,
this is what I'm doing. Man, I was. I was
a believer. I was a christ faller, but I wasn't
following them at that point. But I didn't have anybody
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to and I don't think I would because I was
hiding in it and I had to keep it under
the carpet.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Well, and that's what Satan wants us to do, said,
he wants to isolate us and keep us in the
clar and keep us in the dark so that nobody can,
you know, another brother can't come and say, hey, man,
you know, let's let's figure out how to get out
of this.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Well, I think that's what special about impact. And I
mean I've never seen another Christian organization, especially for men,
that the center of it is no judgment, no condemnation,
Come as you are. You know, it's just not done
like that. It's it's always around like they always have
something that's at the center of it versus, Hey, the
center of it is we know you're.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Right, yeah, because we are too, and we have been Yeah, exactly,
we have been.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Sorry, I've dropped a lot of f bombs today, you know,
It's like I like that guy's vacation.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
I know, well it's pretty he has he's only had
one cup of coffee. It's like that guy that came
to our Wednesday morning Sunrise group about five years ago
and he showed up and we're peeling it back.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
And we got done, and I gave him the obligatory man,
I hope we didn't scare off.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Please come back next week. And you know what is
worse to me?
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Were Okay, I'm going to work really hard this week
to get cleaned up to be like you guys, I said, dude,
just come as you are. Man, Jesus wants to meet
you where you are right and if you don't get it,
we're going to be here to help you, to steer you.
We're going to be here to plant those seeds. You
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don't have to go home and read twent you know,
twelve chapters of the Bible every day and just come
just show up.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
When I came back to the church, I just wanted
to read like it wasn't like and it wasn't doing
it for anything else other than like I got in
this enlightenment I just wanted to read it, and you
just want to be in it and you want to
learn more. It just kind of comes, you know. But
I didn't go there because I I didn't Jesus was
the first step, you know. The other pieces came as
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because my spirit just wanted to be there, right, you know.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
That's the work of the Holy Spirit of that and
so that's that's an awesome thing to have. But I
think it's interesting that, you know, unchurched people of the world,
that's their view of the church is that you have
to get cleaned up before you can come in. You
have to reach some standard before you can attend a
service or be a part of a group.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Right, And it's just not true.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
You know, you can't serve two masters, Jeremy, so that
you're pushing out that garbage when you when this Holy
Spirit takes residence inside you, you're feeding that and the
Holy Spirit needs that. And that's the way it was
for me. I couldn't serve two masters anymore. So that's
why I stood up and said, and you were there,
I can't fix this anymore. And so I was honest
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enough to be able to say it at that particular point,
and then from then on is when I started devouring
the word and doing getting with guys and being honest
and putting that shoving that crap finally out of my system.
And do I fail? Ye failed yesterday. But you know
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I I.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Don't have that condemn and condemnation we did. We did
an episode years ago about our wives and you know,
arguments with our wives, and you brought up a quote
that I've used so many times is you know, I
have to give up my right to be right, and
I'll tell you what I might have piss off my wife,
(36:21):
give up your right to be right. Yeah, but but
it said I think a lot of that is that
way in the church world as well. It's you know,
the finger pointing the you know, and I'm not capable
of knowing everything. I don't think God designed us. And
we all think we have to know everything, and we
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all think, you know, as a general rule, someone else
knows less than we do, based on either our experience
or based on the Word and our understanding of it
and what context we read it in.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
And God didn't you know.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
He he wrote this book that we hold so dear,
and you can prove so many things, But there's so
many things. You have to take a step of faith
because you don't have the you don't have the ability
or the mind to be able to totally understand and
to know. And I got to give up that. I
got to give that up when I'm dealing with other
people because I believe in the crucifixion. I believe in
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the resurrection and what that does for me. Then after that,
now Jesus said, throw the nets out, catch them all.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I'm gonna sort them out later. And that's how I have.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
To look at it, instead of me having to know,
me thinking I know it all, and then me trying
to point out everyone else's errors and faults. And the
MacArthur thing last week, just it kind of bothered me.
I think the guy earned so much, and he's like
up there, Billy Graham's and those type of guys, and
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even Billy Graham got taken down a lot, you know,
And I'm like, yeah, you know, put put them on stage,
and someone wants to bring Tim Tebow gets shot down
a lot.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
You know why why?
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Yeah, that's yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
But and so I don't know, it kind of been
on my heart lately, just the denominations and how we
we separate, divide and try to conquer in the conflict
that that creates. So give us your thoughts, let us know,
follow us, follow this thing on YouTube, follow this thing
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on Spotify, the social media networks and outlets. We'd love
to hear from you if you've had an experience this way,
and we would love to talk about that on a
future episode. Lots of cool stuff going to be happening
this fall. First thing is August twenty third, the church
at Bea in Brevard County, Florida. We're gonna there's gonna
be a gathering of men there and our friend, good
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friend Ali Farhadi is going to be given the keynote
that day born into Islam comes out as a Christian
Bacon so and he's eating lots of bacon.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
It'll be lots of bacon.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Then, what's going on in the Muslim community.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Muslim community, he's seeing.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Dreams of Jesus.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
Yeah, Wow, they're seeing streams and visions are happening within
the Muslim community right now.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
So it's andy. They're turning to Christ in a big way.
I have to I have to give a quick shout
out to the Mountaineer Locker Roolief. Yes, those guys awesome.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Frank Fear and those guys are doing a great podcast.
They had me on last week as well, so it
went well, real well. We were talking about they do
a it's kind of cool how they do it. They
talk about past players and they have people all the
way from like the sixties seventies on and they have
current players on as well, and they're gonna have Rich
Rod on here soon. And so anyway, it's a great podcast.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Christian Man, I believe.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
But yeah, I just wanted to get Frank in the
Mountaineer Locker room a quick shout out. And when you
like our page and share it, hoop on over there.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Check it out. You can hear some cool stories. All right.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
We're focusing in school start soon, fall football starts soon.
It's gonna be the good stuff that we sit around
some wings talk.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
About lads today baby full pads, pads, pop warners Warner
no way already, Bud hot is blazing.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
It's gonna be hot as you're doing both.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
You're doing flag and pop hunk.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
So we're doing we're starting to pop in the fall
and we're gonna do flagging the spring.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, we were in full pads.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Today. We can go thud. We can't take them to
the ground, but we can hit it. At least hit
and start getting the kids. We're trying to get their
bodies used to.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
For some of those kids, that first thud is a
traumatic experience.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
Dude, I'm just hitting people. I love the contact in
high school. I love just smashing into people, and I
miss it.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
I'll not forget for those For the kids, some of them,
it's an awakening because I remember those days vividly and
how great they were watching them. Come on out, your hawks,
Go Hawks, the Hawks. We will catch you guys next time.
I'm Trade, I'm Jeremy.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
We are the Christians. I'll be pointing fingers at nobody
this week.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Yeah, how are you baptizing the name of Jesus found
the sun horse man?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
I don't know. I was under water. I didn't hear it.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
I didn't hear it.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
I didn't hear it.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I was so scared. You guys aren't going to get
me up. I was like, I was like, man, they
don't get me up. This will be embarrassing. Nice. That
was a fun day.
Speaker 6 (41:17):
I know you have the time with the wave right
right when the way breaks, you gotta you gotta put
him down.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
But we were in the river.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
The river.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Yeah, we were in the river just to get it
Yo, what are you doing right now?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are gonna get real about men's issues, who Jesus
is and who we are as men in Christ. We're
gonna hear Trey, Jeremy, Michael and Brad break it down.
These guys call themselves the cousin Christians. All right, guys,
what is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Come on? My gosh.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
So I told you guys my brother in laws when
all came in town, and my brother in law wanted
to pick that an arcade. It's in Avida, which is
what an hour and ten minutes from the house. It's
the exact same arcade that's in downtown Melbourne. But he
didn't consult anybody when he picked it out. So like
I'm driving there and I'm like, Ashley, I'm telling you
the one in Melbourne's bigger than the one in Avida.
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And she's like, no, this is like a special one.
He did his you know, you know he does his
Google and all those Dennis No, oh, no, he's wanted Raleigh.
And I was like, I'm telling you that the one, Albert.
We're driving an hour and ten minutes for something we
could go twenty minutes down the road for we get there.
It truly is it smaller? It doesn't have nearly make games.
(01:09):
It's even named the same thing. It's part of a
chain of Ashley And we get there by my brother
in law, my other one that I was like, the
one in Melbourne's bigger than that's right, and he guess, yeah, yeah,
I tried to tell h. So anyway, it was funny.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Have you guys ever been to the Villages?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
I went up there Saturday night about that.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
Old I used to work up there. It's an interesting,
interesting place.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
They have these squares. Yeah, every I think there's like
ten or eleven of them for each development, like a
mass development. They have these squares that have restaurants and shops.
And they had a Tommy Bahamas shop. They had, you know,
obviously golf cart. They had this gazebra thing. It was
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like an old log cabin and stadium seating and they
do free concert every night.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah. Nice, what kind of concerts?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Well, this one was U Motown. The guy that was
saying it was a black guy. He was phenomenal, and
so I'm like, but I didn't see any loof of
sponge on anybody.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It's nice, you know, did you know that it's like
the highest STD rate in the US.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yes, I've read that before.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Yeah, And there's a lot of jokes about the villages
and well, one of them.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Is the loof of sponge. And I was talking to
my buddy Steve, who's the loof of sponge. Yeah, they
put different colored loof of sponges on the golf.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Carts to get to be a signal if you're a swinger,
if you're available.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Or use the pineapple. They use loofers.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
They used to use pineapples upside down pineapple, upside down pineapple.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I've read that grocery cart or where do you put
that at?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I don't know. I don't know. It's not my lifestyle,
so I don't look into it too much.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
That's all I want to do is be eighty four
years old and talking in talking in code about personal thing.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
But I didn't see anym loop of sponges. It was
why were you looking for loof of sponge? Because I
heard that you want to see it available.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
If you can put a loop.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
You're trying to tell us somethinghere. What have we become
after one hundred and seventy something episode.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Driving to the village just to swing?
Speaker 5 (03:16):
So we're we're bright and early on Monday. We typically
record on Fridays, but this week just what everyone schedules us.
We're just We're just average Joe Schmos with average life,
just trying to figure figure this life out.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And uh so, yeah, I gotta make a point too.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
All right, If I block you on social media and
I see you in public, that block still stands. Okay.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
I just want people to know that not approached, Michael,
Where did that come from?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Behind me? Who you blocking on social Man? You can't
say that and not followed up. You can't say the names. No,
don't say the names.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
But like, I just mute people. I mute people for
thirty days. There's so much political stuff. I'm on social
media lesson I've ever been. But just because if I'm
on there for three minutes and half the post are political,
it's just like.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
All right, I'm here. No we came to that? How
did we get this far with social media?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
That way?
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Because I get on it in the morning, like and
I uploaded a reel of I think it was you
and you this morning that I put up upload a
reel and then I do a quick five minutes. But
I feel my anxiety and stress rise with every minute.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
That I'm on social media. It's bothered me.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
And last week we know, you know, everyone realizes John
MacArthur passed away, right, and and like any pastor.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
The knives came out.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Man, I didn't see that like any pastor.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Yeah, the two big news is last week were John
MacArthur and the kiss cam couple of them.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Man, Right, did you see the Phillies game.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, with the fanatics that was so funny. They mimicked
and everybody's doing. The Savanna Bananas were making fun of it. Yeah,
everybody's doing.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
And but even that stresses me out because I mean
over fifty five million views of that, that guy and
his mistress supposedly fifty And that's what that's where our
world is to gravitate to.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That as adultery isn't funny, D's not at all.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
And then John MacArthur passes away.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
This guy is one of the Mount rushmorees of I
guess modern day Calvinism. I mean, you know him and
John Piper and R. C. Sproll, the you know, they
they're they're like the guys. And I can't doubt his passion.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
I don't. It's like any other pastor that speaks.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
I don't agree with him on everything, but man, then
I saw people I personally know attacking this guy about
what about about his theology and the lordship salvation and
women preaching and and and then they're firing.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Away at him.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I just want to let the guy die. Man, just
let the guy die.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
And if Christians would quit freaking pointing fingers at each
other and put all their efforts into preaching the Gospel
to the lost, hey, man, what what? How much better
would this world be instead of that? And that's all
social media driven and Satan is just laughing, and if
you ask Joseph Aside, so is China, because they're the
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ones that set up everything for us to fight internally
and start making us implode from the inside. But I'm
getting tired of Christians pointing fingers at each other.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's just really starting to bother me.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
And there's there's some expert it's got a camera right
in front of him, and whether they're pointing at the
Catholics or the Baptists, or the Presbyterians or the snake handler,
whatever their point that and trying to find the faults.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Man, it's just ripped it's ripping me up inside because
what I don't I've never read the Bible like he has.
I mean, that was his job basically in the book
wrote right, and so I maybe he has some points
in some areas, But the two things that Jesus asked
us to do is believe in love. Okay, that's it.
(07:26):
So are we doing that as believers? All the other stuff?
I don't know. I just I can't sit there and
condemn somebody, you know, or say that women aren't allowed
to preach. I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
Well, and again he was, I mean I guess apart
from that, like like ninety eight percent of his ministry
was above reproach.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So you're going to focus on that two percent.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
That they didn't like, that's what that's after after fifty
sixty years in ministry.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And I mean the guy was I thought.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
I thought he's very biblically sound and unapologetic, like the
veracity of the word. I mean, he was just a
really excellent teacher. And you're going to focus on the
two percent of stuff that was objectionable from his whole life, right,
what's the point?
Speaker 5 (08:12):
And wait, there's a friend to our ministry that was
one of the one of the vocal ones that I.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Was like, gosh, just.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Why, Let's let the guy rest in peace and grieve
for his family and celebrate, celebrate the things he hung
has had on and that was Christ crucified and Christ
resurrected according to scripture.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Let's just focus if we got to solve, focus.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
On that instead of the denominational things that we have
been entrenched in.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Our brains over our lives.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
The word denomination means to divide, to separate, right, and
it's no wonder that since there's like forty thousand denominations
of Christianity worldwide, is no longer we fight with ourselves
more than we do the other others.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I'm like, if it's it's not in the word, don't
push it, don't don't claim it as being. And you
guys know how I was raised. And that's my point.
It's like we we point for well, yeah, you know
that you guys don't believe in this. And you know,
my old neighbor who is upc believed in you have
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to baptize in the name of Jesus, not Father, Son
and Holy Spirit. That's their whole hang up, that's one
of their major. It's like, well, baptism doesn't get you
into heaven, so why why do you care about whether
I'm baptizing you in the name of Jesus or I'm
baptizing you in the name of the Father Son in
Holy Spirit. I'm like, come on, people, give me a
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freaking break if it's not in the Word. And then
then we take stuff out and we tailor make it
to our lifestyle or or however we think as individuals
we should be leading our lives. And I'm just I'm
so tired of I since I've been coming to cav
And and being part of you guys and impact, I've
(10:02):
got so much freedom in Christ anymore. Tray, I just
I don't think of that crap anymore. I can't go there.
It's like I wake up and I tell the Holy Spirit,
what are we doing today? Who are you gonna ask
me to do something about We try and tailor make
the Word for ourselves, and then when it doesn't line
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up with how we think it should be, that's when
we start pointing finger.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Right, I mean, think about it right, like we were
just talking about it before we started recording. Like some
of the biggest arguments we have are over little stuff
that doesn't even matter, right, I mean, it really doesn't matter.
And what a powerful and easy thing for Satan to
do to us, right, And it's like, well, if I
can't beat them, let me have them beat themselves and
let's argue over some little crap doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (10:47):
But why the Christian finger point always?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Well, like I said, I think it's it's easy, right,
Like we do it in our everyday lives outside of
Christianity too, right, Like think about like go to the
football field and how do you.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Parent your kid?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Well, I mean, as long as the core value there
is good, then whether you spank or don't spank, or
whether you you know, whatever, doesn't matter. You just want
to raise good kids, right, And how you get to
get there, there's one hundred thousand different ways to do it.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
The butt has a crack in it for a reason,
and that's so it does well when you smack it.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
That wasn't my point, but yes, I don't disagree. But
you know, we just everything, We pick on each other
for all the little defects in everybody's lives. That's what
we gravitate to naturally, and it's no different in Christianity.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
A lot of times I'll go to a church, visit
a church, listen to a sermon, whether it's my church
or another one. I'm going to visit and I walk
out and you know, the first conversation that starts up, what.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Do you think of that message?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Well, I think that was kind of shallow today. Or
I do that, I do that instead of you know,
he had like four points that were pretty spot on
that I think we could die deep on. And you know,
or I go to a conference and she says something
from the conference stage instead of oh, they were just
(12:05):
totally off today and I just wasn't into that sermon today,
And well, that's that's all on me, dude.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
So we are dividing. We are the division that is
being caused. What a better way to get people totally
turned off with the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
And that's the that's the infighting amongst Christians. Yeah, people
see it, they notice it. He formed this church. They're
having five, six, seven thousand people a weekend come through
it out in Cali. And you know what, he's kind
of a hard liner on a lot of things, and
that turns people off. He had he has credible views
(12:43):
on so many things. I saw a panel discussion. It
was him and about three other clergymen with old radio
hosts and seeing n Larry Larry King, and they were
asking if an infant dies, where do they go? And
he backed with scripture, undeniably, They're in the arms of Jesus, undeniably.
(13:08):
And he it was Old Testament references.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
But what's the age?
Speaker 1 (13:11):
But yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
I used to have been taught that it was the
age accountability, which is the age in the Old Testament
when or in the Jewish faith is when they would
get bar mitzvah like that age fourteen fifty anything.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
But before that you're not held accountable for. And I'm like,
I don't know who knows, you know. But he he
gave some arguments that were I want, okay, well that
helps me frame things in my mind, and I don't
know where to look now. So he started a purpose
for me on a lot of things, you know, all
in all, man, he trumpeted the cross, the resurrection, and
(13:46):
you know, salvation forever, and those are the things I
totally agree with, and the other ten percent sure, it's
what is it? Is it a non negotiable? What's negotiable?
And what's non negotiable. And and you know, you got
to hang your hat on the stuff that you agree
on across the resurrection, you know, the virgin birth, you know,
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all those things we have to we need, you know,
the depravity of man because of sin and what happened
in the garden. Those are things we hang our hat on.
And then the little other extra things like baptism and
all those that. Hey, that's that's all good, good stuff
to talk about. But I'm not going to sit here
and waste my time debating you on it.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Well, I think God, I mean, the whole concept of
Jesus being it right, he had to make it that
simple because we got any.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
More complicated than that. We couldn't we couldn't get there.
What we're doing, well, we're making it difficult.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
That's that's why.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
That's exactly my point, Like he made it so simple
that we even us as humans can't fuck it out them. Yeah,
I mean, because we've up everything out exactly. I mean,
think about it. That's why he had to send a
very simple cure for our sin sickness, and that was Jesus.
And if you after that, I mean, that doesn't give
you a license to sin either. I can just go
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out there and being an adulter and do all these
other things, but.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Are you going to pay consequences for that?
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Like the dude with Astronomer's he paid major consequences because
the kiss Kim Astronomer guy.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
You know what bothered me about that is that there
were a bunch of other people that were up there
in that box and they were laughing like when it happened.
So these are people that worked with them, knew that
they were married, Yeah, that's okay, they had families, and
that they were apparently complicit with it, Like they were like, okay,
these two were cheating on their spouses and.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
There's families involved.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
And then there were like five other people in that
picture and they were laughing and kind of fist pumping
and stuff. When when these people got exposed, the first
thing I thought was, Okay, there's two marriages and families
possibly destroyed from this, depending on how they whether or
not they can reconcile. It's like, this is bad, yea,
And imagine your worst moment or whatever on display for
fifty five million people to comment on how bad would
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that be?
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Man?
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Well, explain thinking about the kids, right, it's not like
he's going to have to bear his thing, right, But
like his kids now, oh yeah, his wife, I mean,
the tonybody who.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Knows them, they're they're gonna be looking at him different.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And then that makes reconciliation even harder, right because now
she it's not like they could keep it private where
it was just a small thing and a very tight
knit group of people knew about her or whatever.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
I mean, that's when the Phillies are doing it in
the stadium, well on the kiss camp. I mean, that's
another how many millions of people didn't know about it
now know about it, and it's like it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I was talking about the other day.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
My buddies and I were actually at the football field,
Me and some of the coaches were talking about how
lucky we were that social media wasn't around when we
were in college.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
I mean some of the.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Stuff that I mean, I'm very happy people don't know
through video footage what the kind of guy I.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Used to be.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
So going going back to the whole finger pointing thing, like,
what's what is the motivation? Are we so insecure that
we have to drag somebody else down after they're gone
and they can't defend themselves anymore.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
That that bothered me more than anything else. And you know,
it just seems like Christians social media ministries things like
that are always about the tagline to get likes and
then the sniffing to figure out, oh this dude's a
false teacher.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, and that's the crazy part is like, think about
what social media does. It gets likes over the things
that aren't likable. No, yeah, like that's what drives it.
It's completely opposite thinking, like if you want to really
get somebody going, like why did we name our podcast
the Cussing Christians? I dropped the first two fbom it
was probably six episodes, just a yeah. I mean like,
but we did it the Custing Christians because we know
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it's going to get people to watch the video.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Yes, and it's just honest, open, real talk. Sometimes it's raw,
and it'll keep the religious people away though, that's right. Yeahs,
I don't want to hear their shit anyway. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
I just see so many ministries, men's ministries others that
that they're the focus is someone trying to make a
point about someone else and trying to prove them wrong.
And I mean if he's a full if the guy,
you know, whoever it is, if it's a full blown
Satanist preaching from a stage, maybe I'll set maybe I'll
(18:13):
get up and say, you know what, there's nothing there
that's credible. But for someone that you know, I believe
got into it with the greatest intentions, maybe they misrip,
maybe they said something out of like we do. I mean,
how many times have I said something that was kind
of off just because of the moment of spontaneity that
we had with this, because we ain't scripted. You know,
(18:35):
this is this is a total free fall, free for all,
free for all, some whole fiction type stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
One of the things he said that I don't agree with,
and Brad, I don't know how you feel about it,
but I just he talked about Hillsong and Bethel music
not being something that.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
There's a lot of people that say that that we
that our church who plays Bethel and Hillsong, that if
we if we subscribe and play their music, were actually
supporting Hillsong and Bethel in there and their false teachings from.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
The most teachings about what I don't know, there is
something about something all the freaking time that you shouldn't
do this, You shouldn't do that, you shouldn't eat this,
you shouldn't do this now, this causes cancer. This causes
diabetes next week.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
By the way, it's good for you.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
It's like, if you watch that crap, I'm just so
sick of it, so I don't even I hardly bother him.
When I go on to Instagram, if you look at
my search, you're going to see comedians and dogs. Those
are the most of the reels that I look at.
Comedians and dogs.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Cool.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
I started noticing some of the Christian finger pointing. I
just came off of an amazing experience on that cruise
with Brandon Lake and.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Filled with.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
And because of that, guess what, my social media was
filled with Brandon Lake stuff, and of course the controversy.
I mean, I guess it got something got controversy when
he decided to bring Jelly Roll into that studio and
play that music.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
It's funny going there because I was just listening to
his song this, that herd.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
That Hallelujah song that hard thought. It's an amazing song,
and we're on the cruise. Jelly Roll wasn't a part
of that cruise, so Brandon Lake sang it acoustically by
himself and it Oh and you're with three thousand, you know,
Jesus freaks.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
We're all just having a ball.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
And but the in fighting in the Christian community, in
the Christian music community that supposedly Brandon Lake recorded that
song then brought jelly Roll into it, and that's when
it exploded. But jelly Roll was still fighting with snorting
coke every once in a while, and you know he's
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still dealing with all.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Did you see Jelly Roll's interview about that.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Yeah, So they were like they were questioning him and
his belief and he goes, listen, I'm not perfect. I
don't have a figure out right. He goes, but I
believe in Jesus, right, and then figuring the rest out right.
And that's not the exact quote, but I mean that's
essentially what he said. And I was like, man, that
is like the perfect impact quote is like, I believe
in Jeesus, then we'll figure the rest out.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
The Lord is using this guy who is saying I
came as I am. I didn't get cleaned up. I
came as I am. Brandon Lake teamed up with him.
He took heat for bringing jelly Roll in to sell
more records. But the song, if you've listened to the.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Lyrics, they're spot on, man, I know they're spot on.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Well, even some of jelly Roll's earlier stuff, you know,
like he's singing about Jesus and those two like what
was the center one? Yeah, I mean I forget the
name of it, but anyway, it was like one of
his first big hits. And I remember coming up to
the studio and we were over in Melbourne and be like, guys,
if you heard jelly.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Roll, Yeah, I remember you saying we need to try
to find a way to get him on here. And
I still think it'd be cool to get him on
here to talk about his redemption story. But but yeah,
but that's the Christian fighting, that's the end roads.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
That's a yeah but you.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
And I'm just getting warm now. And social media has
just made that explode.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
To say, if you go and listen to John MacArthur's sermons,
he's got a podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Called Grace to You.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
You go listen to those, You're one hundred percent going
to learn something in the word. Because he's the guy
he's literally spent fifty years tremendous insights, so all of
his sermons are great. Maybe he said some things off
off script that were like, oh, I don't like the
way that sounds right, But are you going to throw
everything else out because of that? Are you not going
to benefit from all of that same thing with you know,
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elevation and Bethel and Hillsong. I could give you a
playlist of fifty songs that are awesome exactly that you
can sing that you can connect with God. Are you
going to throw this out because maybe they taught something
you don't like?
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I mean, where do you the.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Scandal with what's whatever his name is? The New York guys?
Speaker 3 (22:48):
What's the big deal with Bethel and Hillsong in it's
because the prospect prosperity.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
Gospel, a lot of people interpreted as a prosperity driven
gospel or you know, signs, wanders and miracles. A lot
of cessation is believe that that doesn't happen anymore, and
they really kind of preach that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
I got healed in Mexico, so it doesn't Yeah, your.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Healing didn't happen, But there's a lot of that kind
of stuff. And I also think a lot of it
boils down to the message we love to talk about,
and that's the grace of God. And people have been
pushing against grace for two thousand years. It can't be
that simple, it can't be that good, but.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
It has to be that.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
But it has to be because we're going to it up,
it up.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, I mean, I just I get so passionate about
that piece of it because you know, I'm going through
a time in my life right now.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
That's that's I'm.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Struggling in a lot of ways, you know, I mean
trying to figure out why things are happening the way
they are, and you know, did I do the right thing?
Speaker 5 (23:41):
That?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
You know?
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Did I do the things I'm supposed to do?
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Are you do you have sin in your life? Cheremany?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Well? And then are you if you do, you do
you think you're truly safe? Well? That's it, right, That's
the one thing I don't struggle with. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Actually, of all the crap that I'm dealing with every day,
the one thing I don't struggle with is is because
because of these other things, I'll mess up more sometimes, right,
And it's but then because I have Jesus in my life,
I'm like, thank God you were there today because.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I watch you know what.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Movie with Jennifer Garner and the Little Girl Miracles from Heaven.
Holy crap, the thing that those did, those ladies actually
say that to her.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
And oh yeah, yeah, they maybe your daughter wouldn't be
this way if you didn't.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Have sin in your life.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
And come on, dude, I mean and and And that's
that's where MacArthur got some of his backlash, was some
of those type of messages. And then when he told
Beth Moore just to go home, you know, and all
that kind of stuff, which that's the same thing pointing
fingers at her. The church that we they can have
a whole semester of Beth Moore studies.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
They're going to do.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
The woman has been getting the gift and she's preaching
the word, and I'll pay to go sit and we'll
listen to her speak. Sure that one meme just sticks
out to me.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
I saw them.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
If Christians will spend less time pointing fingers each other
and more time preaching the gospel to the lost, what
an amazing impact we would have.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
All right, I got another question. Yeah, But yesterday I
had a conversation with a buddy that's really come a
long way from where he was. He gets an invitation
to a relative's wedding who's she's marrying another woman, okay,
(25:25):
and they have to go back to his hometown for
this one, and we're singing. He does is he gets
on his phone and he googles how should a Christian
deal with a same sex marriage? So it comes up
(25:45):
and it's all this stuff, and one of them is
a Catholic priest. And the Catholic priest says, and I
get to ask that all the time. You can't go
because because you if you go, you're condoning this. If
you become a part of this, you're condoning it. And
I told him, I said, dude, that's exactly how I feel,
(26:09):
and that's exactly what I would do. I would take
a stand and say no. Because this particular person, his
daughter's been asked to be in the wedding, but some
of the people have to wear dresses, and then the
other people have to wear suits, even if they're the women,
so it's like they're they're bastardizing the marriage ceremony with
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that whole message. And he's like, I'm not going, I'm
not driving. He said, even said, he said, I'll drive
his wife. I'll drive my wife there, I'll drive you there,
and then I'm going to go someplace else. But I'm
not going to be a part of it. And this
is a guy that three four years ago was you know,
nowhere near this, but now he's taking a stand and
he he believes in his heart because of the Holy
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Spirit that indwells in him, that he should not partake
of that. How would you go? What would you guys do?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
So I was just here thinking about, like, as you're
talking that, I don't know if I'm on the same
side the street as you on this one, because you
might be missing an opportunity to have a conversation.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I mean, I'm not I'm just I'm just thinking, sure,
you know me, I played Devil's advocate and everything, So like,
am I missing an opportunity to be there and actually
have a conversation with somebody that could Do you.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Think that's a venue that's going to give you the
opportunity to.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Have a I think you can have that conversation in
any venue. I don't think there's a venue you can't
have a conversation about Christ and reach somebody. Could I
bring light into the room, you know, versus by that
same token, could you go?
Speaker 6 (27:43):
I mean, would you go to a gay bar and
hope that you're going there to have a conversation.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
No, I mean I wouldn't go because it's just not
I mean if I was with a I mean, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
If I was with a group of people and they
all win, I'd probably go.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
I mean, but I don't go to bars anyway, so
it doesn't matter, you know, on the strip club, I
will I stand on that.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I'm not that long ago.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Actually, I was on a boysterp and a couple of
guys wanted to go, and I was like, I'm not going,
and I stayed behind.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
And I think on this example and and I'm looking
at it as my absence might make a stance that
could generate a conversation between me and the two getting
married or the family in a private setting, and I'm
not going to sit there. I'm not going to go
and then sit at my house and get on social
(28:30):
media and put a picture of this couple up there
and say these guys are going to get married and
sin And I ain't going for this reason.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
X y Z that's the finger point.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
That's that's the line that I can't do that.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Well, and MA me be clear, I'm not condoning.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
No. Yeah, well people out there, I believe me. I
know this guy Sin.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I just yeah, I'm just thinking in my head like
would I actually not go or would I go and
just not? And I would never say, hey, this is okay, right.
I have gay friends. I mean I've they've asked me
my opinion, and I'm like, listen, I don't think this
is the right thing. But I still love you, you know
what I mean. But I don't condone your life story,
just like I know addicts. I mean we go to
(29:14):
Sita in these places, we know the addicts. We don't
condone their lifestyle either, but we go there.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
I was thinking about why why church people get how
do we get sanctimonious? Like how do we get self
righteous so quickly and so easily? And I thought about,
you know, when I when I was growing up, we
always we never went to nice restaurants, like we always
went to you know, McDonald's after church or Long John
Silver's or whatever. And I never went to like a
(29:42):
like a white tablecloth high end steak restaurant.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Gold fried Chicken is so good.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
I love Long John Silvers I used to let me.
But anyway, so that's you know, it's fast food. It's
pretty low end stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
More recently we've been some nice steakhouses and once you've
had and you've been to New York, you've had two
hundred dollars steaks. Yeah, so when you hear somebody go, oh, man, Sizzler,
Sizzler's got the best steaks, you probably look at them
go like you kidding me, dude.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
And some people would be like, oh, that's that's pretty uh,
it's pretty sanctimoni. You know, it's very snotty of you.
But I think as Christians, like we we we know
what the truth is. We have the Word, we've got
this connection to God, so we feel like, all right,
we've got the highest order of truth and what works.
And so we look at other people and they're like, well,
they don't know. Like these people in the world they're
still drinking and smoking and whatever they're doing. They don't
(30:35):
know the Lord, they don't have the truth. So I
think it's very easy for us to feel like we're
so far above them, and that's that's kind of where
the sanctimonious attitude comes, like, oh, they're in sin, I'm
going to turn my nose up at them because I've
been in the Word for years, and I've been going
to church. I've been going to church for years, and
I sing the right songs and i know how to
look and act on Sunday morning. And so I think
(30:55):
that's where the finger pointing. I think that's why it's
so prevalent in the church. And it happened without some
people even knowing that it's happening. We just become self
righteous because we know the truth, like we we know
things that are good and true, and we're going to
spend eternity in heaven with these other people they don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
It's really hard to look at somebody that you knows
doing something wrong and not be judgmental. Sure, it's a
really hard thing to do, and because you have to
put yourself in their shoes to not be judgmental.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
And it's uh so.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
And I think the sanctimonious folks that they, in my opinion,
they're they're very judgmental, which is the opposite of what
the Word tells us.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
To do, but it's it's harder. That's probably their sin struggle. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
Well, and I saw I saw a very prominent Christian
guy that I like and respect comment on this, this
whole kiss cam thing, and he's like, he's like, well,
they should be ridiculed, like like this is they were
committing adulteries is a bad thing.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
He's like, good, Like, you know, let's let's.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Keep some more.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Really, yeah, let's keep some more shame on them because
they deserve it.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
And okay, but but again, my mind immediately went to
families are destroyed, marriages are going to be wrecked, These
kids are going to have to carry the shame of
what their mom and dad cheating on others.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Like that's where my mind went.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
And so I feel like that's more of the heart
of God than saying, oh, well, they deserve it because
they were cheating on their spouses, so they deserve it all.
I mean, yeah, there's consequences, they're bearing those consequences, but
it's the church. If we're piling on, how does that
mean does that reflect the heart of Jesus to them?
Speaker 4 (32:29):
We hide in our I hid in my sin. I
kept it under the rug, and you know, as men.
If I would have been honest, if to you and said, Trey,
this is what I'm doing. Man, I was. I was
a believer. I was a christ faller, but I wasn't
following them at that point. But I didn't have anybody
(32:50):
to and I don't think I would because I was
hiding in it and I had to keep it under
the carpet.
Speaker 6 (32:56):
Well, and that's what Satan wants us to do, said,
he wants to isolate us and keep us in the
clar and keep us in the dark so that nobody can,
you know, another brother can't come and say, hey, man,
you know, let's let's figure out how to get out
of this.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Well, I think that's what special about impact. And I
mean I've never seen another Christian organization, especially for men,
that the center of it is no judgment, no condemnation,
Come as you are. You know, it's just not done
like that. It's it's always around like they always have
something that's at the center of it versus, Hey, the
center of it is we know you're.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Right, yeah, because we are too, and we have been Yeah, exactly,
we have been.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Sorry, I've dropped a lot of f bombs today, you know,
It's like I like that guy's vacation.
Speaker 5 (33:39):
I know, well it's pretty he has he's only had
one cup of coffee. It's like that guy that came
to our Wednesday morning Sunrise group about five years ago
and he showed up and we're peeling it back.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 5 (33:56):
And we got done, and I gave him the obligatory man,
I hope we didn't scare off.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Please come back next week. And you know what is
worse to me?
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Were Okay, I'm going to work really hard this week
to get cleaned up to be like you guys, I said, dude,
just come as you are. Man, Jesus wants to meet
you where you are right and if you don't get it,
we're going to be here to help you, to steer you.
We're going to be here to plant those seeds. You
(34:22):
don't have to go home and read twent you know,
twelve chapters of the Bible every day and just come
just show up.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
It's so funny.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
When I came back to the church, I just wanted
to read like it wasn't like and it wasn't doing
it for anything else other than like I got in
this enlightenment I just wanted to read it, and you
just want to be in it and you want to
learn more. It just kind of comes, you know. But
I didn't go there because I I didn't Jesus was
the first step, you know. The other pieces came as
(34:55):
because my spirit just wanted to be there, right, you know.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
That's the work of the Holy Spirit of that and
so that's that's an awesome thing to have. But I
think it's interesting that, you know, unchurched people of the world,
that's their view of the church is that you have
to get cleaned up before you can come in. You
have to reach some standard before you can attend a
service or be a part of a group.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Right, And it's just not true.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
You know, you can't serve two masters, Jeremy, so that
you're pushing out that garbage when you when this Holy
Spirit takes residence inside you, you're feeding that and the
Holy Spirit needs that. And that's the way it was
for me. I couldn't serve two masters anymore. So that's
why I stood up and said, and you were there,
I can't fix this anymore. And so I was honest
(35:37):
enough to be able to say it at that particular point,
and then from then on is when I started devouring
the word and doing getting with guys and being honest
and putting that shoving that crap finally out of my system.
And do I fail? Ye failed yesterday. But you know
(35:58):
I I.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Don't have that condemn and condemnation we did. We did
an episode years ago about our wives and you know,
arguments with our wives, and you brought up a quote
that I've used so many times is you know, I
have to give up my right to be right, and
I'll tell you what I might have piss off my wife,
(36:21):
give up your right to be right. Yeah, but but
it said I think a lot of that is that
way in the church world as well. It's you know,
the finger pointing the you know, and I'm not capable
of knowing everything. I don't think God designed us. And
we all think we have to know everything, and we
(36:42):
all think, you know, as a general rule, someone else
knows less than we do, based on either our experience
or based on the Word and our understanding of it
and what context we read it in.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
And God didn't you know.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
He he wrote this book that we hold so dear,
and you can prove so many things, But there's so
many things. You have to take a step of faith
because you don't have the you don't have the ability
or the mind to be able to totally understand and
to know. And I got to give up that. I
got to give that up when I'm dealing with other
people because I believe in the crucifixion. I believe in
(37:22):
the resurrection and what that does for me. Then after that,
now Jesus said, throw the nets out, catch them all.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
I'm gonna sort them out later. And that's how I have.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
To look at it, instead of me having to know,
me thinking I know it all, and then me trying
to point out everyone else's errors and faults. And the
MacArthur thing last week, just it kind of bothered me.
I think the guy earned so much, and he's like
up there, Billy Graham's and those type of guys, and
(37:52):
even Billy Graham got taken down a lot, you know,
And I'm like, yeah, you know, put put them on stage,
and someone wants to bring Tim Tebow gets shot down
a lot.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
You know why why?
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Yeah, that's yeah, that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
But and so I don't know, it kind of been
on my heart lately, just the denominations and how we
we separate, divide and try to conquer in the conflict
that that creates. So give us your thoughts, let us know,
follow us, follow this thing on YouTube, follow this thing
(38:28):
on Spotify, the social media networks and outlets. We'd love
to hear from you if you've had an experience this way,
and we would love to talk about that on a
future episode. Lots of cool stuff going to be happening
this fall. First thing is August twenty third, the church
at Bea in Brevard County, Florida. We're gonna there's gonna
be a gathering of men there and our friend, good
(38:51):
friend Ali Farhadi is going to be given the keynote
that day born into Islam comes out as a Christian
Bacon so and he's eating lots of bacon.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
It'll be lots of bacon.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Then, what's going on in the Muslim community.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Muslim community, he's seeing.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Dreams of Jesus.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
Yeah, Wow, they're seeing streams and visions are happening within
the Muslim community right now.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
So it's andy. They're turning to Christ in a big way.
I have to I have to give a quick shout
out to the Mountaineer Locker Roolief. Yes, those guys awesome.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
Frank Fear and those guys are doing a great podcast.
They had me on last week as well, so it
went well, real well. We were talking about they do
a it's kind of cool how they do it. They
talk about past players and they have people all the
way from like the sixties seventies on and they have
current players on as well, and they're gonna have Rich
Rod on here soon. And so anyway, it's a great podcast.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Christian Man, I believe.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
But yeah, I just wanted to get Frank in the
Mountaineer Locker room a quick shout out. And when you
like our page and share it, hoop on over there.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Check it out. You can hear some cool stories. All right.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
We're focusing in school start soon, fall football starts soon.
It's gonna be the good stuff that we sit around
some wings talk.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
About lads today baby full pads, pads, pop warners Warner
no way already, Bud hot is blazing.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
It's gonna be hot as you're doing both.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
You're doing flag and pop hunk.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
So we're doing we're starting to pop in the fall
and we're gonna do flagging the spring.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Yeah, we were in full pads.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Today. We can go thud. We can't take them to
the ground, but we can hit it. At least hit
and start getting the kids. We're trying to get their
bodies used to.
Speaker 5 (40:28):
For some of those kids, that first thud is a
traumatic experience.
Speaker 6 (40:32):
Dude, I'm just hitting people. I love the contact in
high school. I love just smashing into people, and I
miss it.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
I'll not forget for those For the kids, some of them,
it's an awakening because I remember those days vividly and
how great they were watching them. Come on out, your hawks,
Go Hawks, the Hawks. We will catch you guys next time.
I'm Trade, I'm Jeremy.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
We are the Christians. I'll be pointing fingers at nobody
this week.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Yeah, how are you baptizing the name of Jesus found
the sun horse man?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
I don't know. I was under water. I didn't hear it.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
I didn't hear it.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
I didn't hear it.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
I was so scared. You guys aren't going to get
me up. I was like, I was like, man, they
don't get me up. This will be embarrassing. Nice. That
was a fun day.
Speaker 6 (41:17):
I know you have the time with the wave right
right when the way breaks, you gotta you gotta put
him down.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
But we were in the river.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
The river.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Yeah, we were in the river just to get it
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