January 24, 2025 • 34 mins
The intensity level that Chris Daughtry has been bringing with Daughtry is on another level, and 2025 looks to be the biggest of his career as a true hard rock artist. Touring with Disturbed and with Creed is already on the books and while Shock to the System Part One came out late last year, he's putting the final touch on Part Two as I type this. Chris even has a new more intense look to go with it, all that and thoughts on Falling in Reverse, Tremonti, Nothing More and even Sleep Token this conversation is as much two rock fans talking tunes as it is me asking questions about his music. Enjoy another in-depth conversation with one of the most talented voices in rock, Chris Daughtry.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Attention plays and no it.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Cutters rock cat o yo, yo, what up?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm good man. Look at you with all the blackout tattoos?
When did you start doing that?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Right after God, let's see, I shot the.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Video in in in the summer and then I think
end of October, yeah, like right around right around Halloween.
Perfect timing to get blacked out. And I just I
just actually got back from La like the day the
(00:41):
fire started from getting touch ups. I've left and it
was sunny, seventy beautiful, like perfect weather. And I get
home and I look at the news, I'm like, what
the fuck just happened?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, a nasty tragedy happened. Yeah, it was no doubt.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We've talked about it last couple of weeks. Man, all
our thoughts going out to everybody in that area. Just
it's crazy, unimaginable.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Man. I can't even imagine, like if my kids had
to experience losing the only home they've known, you know
what I mean, like, or any home for.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That matter, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
It's it's it's crazy. Out of curiosity, what made you
decide to do? Obviously this has been a thing. There's
there's there's a lot of people who started doing the
blackout tattoos. Obviously kind of almost seemingly scratching out part
of your life and starting a new Is that sort
of what it was for you?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It just yeah, I mean it wasn't like, you know,
it's crazy, Like for years.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I had.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I felt like I would look at I follow a
lot of tattoo accounts and I would get tattooed.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I would get.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Tattooed in be a lot, and I would be like, man,
I wish, I wish when I first started getting ink,
I had a plan, I had some sort of concept
and it all tied.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Together instead, my friend, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Had just piecemeal stuff, and I always you know, regretted
getting my name on my back and and so I
was like, man, I would love if there was a
way to tie this all together.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I wish I had to redo And.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
As I was in the desert and you know, shooting
in one hundred and eight degree heat and maybe that
just affected my brain, but I we I had this
you know, war paint design that I did for the video,
and then the director was like, let's black out the arms,
you know, to go with the outfit and you know,
(02:44):
so it's not distracting with the tattoos, and and I'm
just sitting here looking at it in the mirror, going,
this looks really fucking cool.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I'm sorry, can I probably can't swear on here.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I meant listen, I'll edit it out for the actual
radio show, but the podcast, okay.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I was like, this looks really fucking cool.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
And I'm sitting here thinking to myself, it's all one design.
It's all like this singular you know concept, And I
kind of.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Kept the thoughts to myself.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And as I leave the makeup trailer, my assistant that
has toured with me for god like fifteen years, and.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
This dude is like so like punk like.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
He doesn't give compliments, he doesn't say, he doesn't acknowledge
you wearing anything different. He just he's one of those dudes,
you know, the kid. And the first thing he said
was those looked really cool. Is the tattoo? And I
was already thinking it then. And then and then my trainer.
I get in the van to go to location. My
trainer goes too that would be a sick tattoo. And
(03:43):
then my manager, unbeknownst to anything, that was just said,
its adobe a really sick tattoo. And it's like three
confirmations back to back, and so I couldn't unsee it.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And I'm like looking at it for three.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Days in the desert, and by the time I'm flying home,
I've already contacted uh, machine Gun Kelly's tattoo artist, and
was like, I got I got this idea, and I
had already had the Sessions book before I told my
I told what I get home. I was like, we,
(04:15):
I need to talk to you about something. She goes,
we did you do? I was like, I didn't. I
didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. It's about what
I'm going It's about what I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Getting ready to do exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
And she was all for it.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So now you mentioned machine Gun Kelly. So I have
to then say, uh, because of this podcast and what's
happened in the past, Thanks Corey Taylor. I mean no
disrespect to Machine Gun Kelly. No, you can't use this audio.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I've never I've never met him, I don't I don't
know him.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I just I was just looking up blackout tattoo artists
and I seen that he had posted something and I
was like, that's pretty tight looking work. Let me see
who did his work, and so I just reached out
to her and she replied.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Immediately, that's awesome. That's awesome. Dude. It does look bad
a never okay, I've never met the guy, so it
does look badass, So thank you. Guys are on to something.
You guys run to something. Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure
out how to tie all mine in together with no budget,
so this will be fun.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I never I never thought about blackout ever. It was something.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It was not even on my radar, so so uh
and and I and I don't recommend it.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It is okay, wait a minute, like I've got under here,
you know, it's it's negative ten degrees today, I'm wearing
a hoodie, you know. But I've got all under here done.
And I had to go pass out afterwards. So I
can't even imagine the continuous blacking.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
We did it.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
We did it, and we did it in seven days,
so it was three days on one day off, three
days on one day off, and then it was my
body was like, what are you doing to me? Like
we're done? And I was, well, dude, the agony, Oh
but I've got I've gotten plenty of two is in
my life.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I've never experienced.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
This is this is what I always feared tattoos would
feel like, like you're sawing your arm off.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's probably what your mom wanted you to think. It
would feel like. He didn't get any exactly exactly. Uh,
Chris taughtry, dude, it's it's good to see you, man.
You look great.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You got it. Man, it's getting a little I'm going
today and actually getting it trimmed off a little bit.
It's just it's a little much at the time that
we're having this conversation. I'm getting married this weekend.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So congratulations, thank you man.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I have to go. I'm leaving today's Monday. I'm leaving
Wednesday morning for Puerto Rico for nine days. And that
doesn't no, it does not at all. She's from there,
her family is from there. So we're staying with her
grandpa for a day and like it, it's gonna be awesome.
But either I gotta yeah, I gotta, I gotta go
in wedded mode. You know, I can't do the the
(06:59):
full fixtion. Eg.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
The last time I grew my beard.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Out, you had a good one for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Well, the problem with growing a beard out in that
big is when you do decide to get rid of it,
you forget just how small your chin is.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I swear it was. I swear I had a better
Joe line. That is what is happening.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And you shave it off and like everything disappears, and
uh and you just hate your life for like a week.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Well, I'm not shaving it. I'm just going down a
little bit in length. That's it. Yeah, it's just gonna
make it a little classics.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
That's the way to go. Man.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Absolutely, we were so you know, I tried to talk
to you right before you did all that Christmas touring
and I know you were on some vocal you know
rest Obviously, dude, touring that time of the year cannot
be easy for a singer, especially someone who has the
range that you're doing.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It's the worst, man. I don't know why we do
it every year.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
It's like, uh and and everywhere we went we were
like either chasing a blizzard or being followed by one.
And uh, it was I think at once we were
in Minneapolis and I was like, how do.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You guys live here? This is this is uninhabitable.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
That's be here right now, Chris, be here right now.
Like I said before, today, the temperature, the real temperature
is ten below last time I left.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah. The wind chill, that's nuts.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
The wind chill was like twenty four below last name.
And it's gonna get worse tonight.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And how long have you been there?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
My whole life?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And and you never went. Man, there are places that.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I told you in two days, I'm going to Puerto Rico, right,
and you.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
May never come back.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I may never come back. Like her dad's got her
dad has a house, I'd be like, you can a
spare room, right, yeah? Yeah? Fine? What are the schools
like here for the kids exactly?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Are they at least a seven or eight?
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I don't care. They can learn Spanish. I'm good with it,
but you know, but yeah, anyways, it was the show
that I saw you at specifically, Dude, I just you
killed it. And I've seen you live obviously a few times,
you know, since since you know, doing the rock stuff
a little bit hard, more hardcore than you did but previously,
and the show gets better every single time. It sounded great,
(09:30):
it looked great, but it's just it's dude, it is
such a heavy show and just like an intense rock show,
more so than I had remembered from the previous time
I saw you. So hats off, thank you man.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
This is this is uh.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I feel like we're finally doing what I've wanted to
do ever since I was a teenager that that got inspired,
you know, to pick up a guitar and get in
front of a microphone. You know, this is this is
It's been a long time coming. And the fact that
we're we're doing it now in my like mid.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Forties, you know, than never, tris than never, better late
than ever?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, no, man, I mean you've always been good, and
I saw you back in the day two and you
always sounded great. But I just mean this particular show
was just such an intense rock show. And and obviously,
you know, if you listen to the new EP, Shock
to the System Part one, and we'll get into if
there's a part two later, but that too. The music musically, everything,
there's there's just an intensity level that wasn't on your
(10:30):
last couple of albums.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's by design.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
It's it's a conscious effort.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
We we.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Man, once we realized that that that, you know, I
had always been into the heavier stuff, and after having
so much you know, for lack of better terms, uh
pop success at hot a se radio, and.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
We can't talk about that movement.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And and I was I was always worried that that
I wasn't going to be accepted in the rock world
because where I really wanted to be. And once we
when we put Artificial out and it did what it did,
we were just like, oh my god, finally like we
get to lean in on this and and uh we
(11:25):
just never looked back and and and we're just kind
of we're leaning in even harder on the next half,
you know.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So it's it's been a fun journey.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It took a lot of you know, left turns to
make the right ones. But uh, we're we're we're glad
to be here and and and even more happy that
we're being embraced in this in this community like we
have been. So Yeah, and there is a part too.
Can you imagine if it was just shot the System
Part one, that's just the.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Name of it.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I'm into it. Yeah, I'm into it. Ten years from now,
ten years from now, you and I'd be sitting down
doing one of these a little bit more gray, and
I'd be asking the question, whatever, let.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
The beard die, fool you bro, it's all gray.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
You got to match the skin. Exactly. Yeah, I would
exactly be like, all right, what happened to part two?
That one record you did? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Why was going to be a part two? Why?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
The decision of the EP yeah, and breaking up into
two parts?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, Well I think it started with this has taken
a long time. You know this, This record has taken
a long time to make. Getting the first half was
was was I wouldn't say painstakingly brutal, but it was
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taken a long time to get to get these songs
in a place where we were like, fuck.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, like this is it. Partly because I was touring.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
And and and everyone's schedules.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
It was just it was just a.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Long process, but we were happy with what we had.
It was like, man, we love these songs, but we're
nowhere close to having a full record, much less having
these six done.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
So I went to the label and I was like,
what if we.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
You know, we're just releasing singles until the record's done.
And they were like, well, what if we split it
up into two parts? And I'm like you can do that,
And so it was kind of the combination of of
of the label kind of presenting us with an idea
that I didn't even know what was possible. And then
(13:47):
I was like, wait a minute, a tray you released
their their album in three parts before it was a
full album, and I noticed, you know, and then Fallen
in Reverse had been releasing singles for like two years
before they had a record, and I'm like, I guess
there's no rules, and it's just you know, when the
music's right, the music's right, and let's go with it,
(14:08):
and when it's when it's finished. So we we got
the first half done, and then of course go back
out on the road, you know, and we had already
been kind of writing here and there for the second
part or what would be the full record. And I've
been in the studio all week finishing vocals on the
(14:29):
second half. So I'm actually going there today to I
think finish the last song. So we are very close
to having part two finished, and we hope, we hope
to have that out this year in at some point.
We're definitely going to have a first single from the
second half sometime this year. I hope to have the
(14:51):
whole thing done. Uh so, yeah, that's that's pretty much
how that came to be.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Tell Scott I said, Hi, I will, I will appreciate.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I will, I will. I will see him in a
few hours.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So awesome, awesome.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You know, I think via zoom because he's in l
A right now.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Oh is he and you're you're in the Nashville area somewhere.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You bring up an interesting point. And because there's such
been a big point of contention, is I mean, I
think they started before the pandemic and has really become
even more prevalent now of the of the singles game
and obviously digital streaming having so much to do with that.
That the whole thing for albums. You know, leak Katie
from Pop Evil was here last week and we're kind
(15:33):
of discussing this too, of the yeah, releasing we're releasing
an album, but does anybody care anymore? And it's and
it's an interesting question.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
We care as artists.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
We will body of workout, but but I feel like
what happens is you release a song and all the
attention is on that song. So if you released eight
to ten other ones at the same time, by the
time people get around to going, oh, there's also another
good song.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Oh, there's also and my favorite song is at the end.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know, by the time they realize that.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
It's been out, it's been out two years.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
And and you find that the streaming services don't care
at that point because the record's been out for a while,
but no one knew about it, right. So I feel
like when you release a song at a time, it
gives those that song its day and it has a
chance to either be successful or not, but at least it.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Has it's.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
A fair shot.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And then you go on to the next one, and
you finally build up enough attention on the fact that
you've got all these songs out and hopefully you're creating
anticipation for more and go, oh, well, I love these
three songs, so I can't wait for the rest of
the record.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
To come out. Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
And that's that's I think that's the the hopes that
that that's how it plays out, and then when it
finally comes out, you you hopefully have as much buzz
around it as possible.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You know, it worked out for for Ronnie.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Uh, you know I did, and and that album did
you know, Gangbusters? So you know, obviously you know, a
lot of us are looking at that going. Man, if
we can only have half that, you know success, you.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Know, that would be that would be amazing and and.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
It's a good sign that that rock is is thriving,
you know, and we're we're here.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
For it absolutely. If you know, if you'd have told
me five years ago that I Ronnie Radkey would have
been as influential as he is in the way that
he does, I'd have been like, huh, Ronnie really and
he man, he he he found something and yes, wow,
just wow, honestly, Yeah, that whole record is great and
(18:05):
it is an interesting point right release every song? Okay,
you mentioned a tray, you did it, and god, I
feel like Brandon I had that conversation too a couple
of years ago, Like, as releasing stuff goes, you put
it out everything you have it. Here's a single, here's
a couple of songs maybe, and then eventually, if you
want to have the whole thing, you can here it
is in a vinyl form. Here it is, and see
here it is on digital or whatever.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, and he throws some extra stuff on it to
you know, to spice up the you know.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Sure, of course, the you know, because I still do.
I still like holding that physical you know record, you know,
the same age, but like I still like holding that
same that album in my hand. You know. I've gotten
back into vinyl, but there's something still still about CDs,
and I have a CD player in my car. I'm
still doing it, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah, you know I feel like, you know, even if
I don't listen to it, I like having it, And
if I don't listen to it on that format, I
like having the for the even just for the artwork exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So you know, I have tons of vinyl.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I still listen to it on streaming, but I have
tons of vinyl, and I have the option to play
it if I wanted to. But I love looking at
the you know, I'm at the age now where I'm
if it's on here, I got to zoom in to
read lyrics.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You're doing.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
You're doing this, dude, I'm taking pictures of me now
and zooming in.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I'm like, what is happening? Holy shit?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Forty five hit and I'm like, I'm that guy. Now
I'm looking at ingredients on the back of things, and
I'm likes, man, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I got Lasik done some years ago as a god said.
But the problem is is that it's like I have
to pull everything away from my face now. I'm like,
damn it. Do any buy focals? Like, what the hell
is going on?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah? That it's not it's not a it's not.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
A good joke.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
No, not exactly exactly. At least I can kind of
see my put my foot pedals on stage, or as
long as I can still do that and see the
buttons in the studio were okay. But also where's the
zoom in on this digital pad?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I know?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And I'm started having a co host on the board
with her glasses and her bifocals and you can see
it better. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Anyway, that being said, so there is going to be
a shock to the system part two. That's confirmed. You're
working out and you're finishing it up right now, hopefully
something uh later this year. Lyrically, you know, the songs
on this album, I mentioned the intensity musically, the intensity
obviously is there, but lyrically as well, you know, you're
you're hitting some subjects, especially in the song like pieces
(20:46):
you know, artificial to another extent as far as what's
going on in the world and in the digital age,
that is that a continuation of those kind of themes.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, I think I think life broke me open, you know,
a few years ago, and and I think, uh, it
exposed some things that that maybe I was afraid to
talk about before.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And and this record.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Has really brought out these these themes in a.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Very organic way. And I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Heavy subjects, and I think, uh, I don't think there's
a song on the record that that isn't isn't kind
of steeped in darkness. But at the same time, I
think this second half, if I had to get any
sort of tidbit of of of you know, what this
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next side of the record is going to be, I
will say that there probably is a little more hope
in it, but it's still steeped in darkness.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
And in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And I just, uh, I think life is hard, and
I think we're all experiencing that in some capacity. And
I just was like, that's no one wants to hear
everything is great because it's not. And if anything, I
just want people to know that they're not alone and
(22:13):
they're you know, dark thoughts and and but you don't
have to stay there at the same time, you know,
And so uh yeah, I think there's the music certainly
matches that, you know, intensity, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
There's there has to be talking about you know, obviously
darkness and mental health and and those are conversations that
need to continue, you know, and continue to happen, especially
in our world. But uh it also I think I
don't know for me personally, and I can only speak
about me as most of us can. It also allows
(22:53):
some hope to shine when you actually sit there and
deal with the darkness that's happened in your life, whatever
it may be, something as serious, some of the things
that obviously that you've gone through or what anybody's gone through.
It doesn't matter what they are. It matters how it
affects us. And being able to experience those things and
allowing some of the lightness in then, you know, allowing
(23:16):
those tracts to come through so you can it's important.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Well, I think I think just the simple act of
saying those things out loud or talking about them inherently
brings light to it. It is bringing it out into
the light, but as opposed to keeping it on the
inside and letting it turn into something you know, even
more scary, you know, so I do. I love the
(23:43):
idea of saying what someone else may be thinking and going,
oh thank god he feels that way too, That in
and of itself is bringing light to it.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So I want to continue to do that.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Good Good on you. All right, that's some serio stuff.
Let's talk about touring, Yeah, because you are on a couple, dude.
I mean, the headlining stuff is the headlining stuff. But
you're going on Disturbed, you know, twenty fifth anniversary of
the Sickness tour at least one of the legs of that.
You're Creed again later this year like that. Those just
(24:16):
those are big time rock and roll shows, man, in
front of tens of thousands of people in arenas and
stadiums and wow.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
And I manifested that Disturbed tour like a year ago.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Man.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Let me tell you, Okay, I've been wanting to tour
with those guys for a long time.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Dave and I have been friends for a.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Minute, and and I had a dream over a year
ago that that we were not only on tour together,
but I was on stage. You know, we were doing
this ballad that I don't even think existed. It may
have may have been just a play on sound of
silence and a dream.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I don't know, but I texted him.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I was like, Dude, I had this cool I had
this crazy dream last night that that we were touring together.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
And this was the writer.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
This was either right before Artificial came out or right
around the time.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
And uh.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
And I was like, and we were like singing this
this ballad together. And you know David how he talks,
so I read I read his responses in his voice
and and and the and the text goes, he goes, well,
both of those are possibilities, my friend.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
So I hounded him per year for for over a year.
I was like, dude, when you.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Guys going back out, man, uh, we would love to
submit our name in the pot. Man, we would love
to put to support you. And when it finally happened,
I was it was just like, man, I've been this
is this is a dream tour. Not only that, but
I'm we're all huge, nothing more fans, and we didn't
know that they were going to be the first of three,
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so we were like, oh my god, this is like
the perfect lineup. I will say on the on the record,
I am terrified to follow nothing more. Uh, Johnny isn't
Johnny is a beast of a front man physically vocally, and.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
He's a little younger than me. He's got that young
man energy.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I'm i gotta say I'm a little terrified, but at
the same time, I think it's gonna make us better players.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Now do you two give it? Give it? How excited?
Given how in shape you and Johnny both are, do
you guys have you can you have like lift offs
in between, like you know, like well, well where they're
striking down the nothing more set and putting up the
Daughtry stuff. Can you guys do like a all right,
we're gonna have a squad off. Now, you know, I
don't know you.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I will, I will, I will.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I will be his uh weight trainer and he can
teach me some Brazilian jiu jitsu.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
So we're gonna we're gonna have a little trade off.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I love it. I love it. Yeah, I don't blame
you nothing more. Is you know it talked about your
show being intense, man, that's a different level altogether.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, what they do?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
They are phenomenal band and I'm so pumped for their
success on this record.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Right now, I've been a fan of those.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Guys for a long time. So good and so.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I love seeing I love seeing rock win. You know,
it's a good time. It's a good time for rock.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
There was a moment there where those big rock shows
tours you had to have somebody else on it in
order to be able to put it play in an arena.
And now you know, by yourself you were selling out
two three thousand Steed venues in this these I mean
that tour is going to be selling out fifteen thousand
Seed arenas, and you know it's it's an awesome You're right,
it's an awesome time to be a rock fan because
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it has some of it has come back around and
some of the.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
You got bands like Sleep Token already playing arenas.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Like it's what I mean?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
You know it's weird, dude, Dude, I'm I was with
my kids at an indoor water park yesterday and I
kid you not, I'm wearing a Sleep Token shirt. And
two occasions, these two good old boys that you would
never peg as as a metal fan whatsoever, just by
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looking both go I was wearing a Sleep Token shirt.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
That's a cool shirt, man, And I'm.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Like six months ago no one would have you say
sleep Token.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
They have no idea what you're talking about. And they are.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
They have like infiltrated every pocket of of of music fan,
which I think is amazing and an incredible feat. So
it's stuff like that, man, It's it's really encouraging that
that it's making waves like it is. And and it's
people that you would never think of, you know, you
(29:02):
only picture people that look like they shop at Hot
Topic to know who those bands are, you know which?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And so I had dude, Okay, I'm on the outline
of rock programming. Now I just do this show, the
Cutting Edge Countdown, and I do a morning show where
I tell Dick jokes. I don't you know what I mean? Like,
I don't. I don't sit in program rock radio anymore
the way I used to. I watched the charts because
of the Cutting Edge Countdown. That's it. But can we
stop being so scared to play bands like that on
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our format? Because on my home station, you know, like
I filled in for the music director and I'm like,
I'm adding the Sleeptoken song and I did. He came
back from vacation. He's like, did you add sleep tooken?
I'm like, hell, yeah, I did. It's the biggest song
in the world right now. And this was you know,
a year and a half ago or whatever. Yeah, and
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that's awesome. We kept it in. I think we're the
only station to play it.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
It's because it all go.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Ahead, No, it's it's I think I think, Uh, you
have these bands out there that that no one knows
about whether it's because they just haven't had that that.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
That crossover hit, or or or maybe it's too heavy
for the average listener or or whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
And there's this fear of.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Of maybe it's just by looking at this band, I
don't even know if I want to put them on,
you know what I mean. And it's it's such a
it's such a limiting way of thinking about it. And uh,
there's so much great music out there that isn't being
played so much on the mainstream, like Architects and.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I love that band.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And yeah, I hope that this is kind of a
shift in the tide.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So to speak.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I hope so too, at least for that, you know.
And it was my my oldest son, who was a
college student, is the one who really introduced me to
sleep Token. You know, and he listens to folk music
like her. He listens to Martin Sexton like he's a
god and very talented dude, don't get me wrong, but
I'm like, you're listening to sleep Token like dude.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
But uh, Mark TREMANI turned us onto him back uh,
back like two three years ago when we were touring together,
and he's like, dude, my new favorite man.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
You've never heard of him.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
You've got to listen to these and I'm like, what
am I listening to? I can't pick a jump, like,
I can't peg them as anything.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Now do you have the same experience as I did?
Like when you put them on, You're like I don't
understand what's happening, and then all of a sudden it
was like I need more.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, and then what's the next song? Dude?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
For three hours, we went through their entire catalog where
in the dressing room like yeah we go, we got
meet and great hold on this song, like I never.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Heard that's awesome. Yeah, so okay disturbed later this year,
like I mentioned the stuff, there's gonna be so many
opportunity to see dotcha. Yeah. Speaking of Mark Tamani, Uh,
I know you did what one or two Creed shows
in the last run.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
We did run, and it was because we already had
some other dates lined up that that interfered with it logistically,
you know. And those those radius clauses.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Man, they get you, yeah, they do.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
That's that's why we're not doing more on this run
because there was some that interfered with the areas that
we're gonna be out with disturb so uh, but we
love those guys and we're so grateful that they like
us enough to keep bringing us out.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
So yeah, man, it's uh, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Man.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
This band that that that you know, disbanded for over
a decade is bigger than they've ever been.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
If that's not if that's not a good sign for rock.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Man, Like, I don't know what it is. And it's
as we were given shout outs. Just a couple of
weeks ago, Mark Tremonti released his new his new Tremante album,
which is which is a lesson in how to play
hard rock and heavy metal guitar. Go creak it up.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, that dude is I don't I don't know when
he sleeps.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
He's either he's either does.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Recording a Sinatra record or his own record or alter
Bridge or create like it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So he's one of my favorite people to talk to
because every time I talk to him, it's like, all right, dude,
well all right, what are we talking about today? Which band?
What am I? What can I talk about on this time?
And we'll have you again in six months and talking
about the next project, you know whatever, and there's remember
there's an Ulti Bridge record coming later.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
So he's one of my favorite human beings.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Man.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I love that guy.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Absolutely. Good luck this year. It's gonna be a big
year for Daughtry Man and I'm so happy for you.
I really am.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Thank you, Cutter Man.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
I appreciate you having us, Thanks for all the support
Man always, and hope you see out there on the road.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Cutter's Rock Cast.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Don't forget to tune in exactly
Attention plays and no it.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Cutters rock cat o yo, yo, what up?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm good man. Look at you with all the blackout tattoos?
When did you start doing that?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Right after God, let's see, I shot the.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Video in in in the summer and then I think
end of October, yeah, like right around right around Halloween.
Perfect timing to get blacked out. And I just I
just actually got back from La like the day the
(00:41):
fire started from getting touch ups. I've left and it
was sunny, seventy beautiful, like perfect weather. And I get
home and I look at the news, I'm like, what
the fuck just happened?
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, a nasty tragedy happened. Yeah, it was no doubt.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We've talked about it last couple of weeks. Man, all
our thoughts going out to everybody in that area. Just
it's crazy, unimaginable.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Man. I can't even imagine, like if my kids had
to experience losing the only home they've known, you know
what I mean, like, or any home for.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
That matter, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I can't even imagine.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
It's it's it's crazy. Out of curiosity, what made you
decide to do? Obviously this has been a thing. There's
there's there's a lot of people who started doing the
blackout tattoos. Obviously kind of almost seemingly scratching out part
of your life and starting a new Is that sort
of what it was for you?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It just yeah, I mean it wasn't like, you know,
it's crazy, Like for years.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I had.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I felt like I would look at I follow a
lot of tattoo accounts and I would get tattooed.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I would get.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Tattooed in be a lot, and I would be like, man,
I wish, I wish when I first started getting ink,
I had a plan, I had some sort of concept
and it all tied.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Together instead, my friend, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Had just piecemeal stuff, and I always you know, regretted
getting my name on my back and and so I
was like, man, I would love if there was a
way to tie this all together.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I wish I had to redo And.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
As I was in the desert and you know, shooting
in one hundred and eight degree heat and maybe that
just affected my brain, but I we I had this
you know, war paint design that I did for the video,
and then the director was like, let's black out the arms,
you know, to go with the outfit and you know,
(02:44):
so it's not distracting with the tattoos, and and I'm
just sitting here looking at it in the mirror, going,
this looks really fucking cool.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I'm sorry, can I probably can't swear on here.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I meant listen, I'll edit it out for the actual
radio show, but the podcast, okay.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I was like, this looks really fucking cool.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
And I'm sitting here thinking to myself, it's all one design.
It's all like this singular you know concept, And I
kind of.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Kept the thoughts to myself.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And as I leave the makeup trailer, my assistant that
has toured with me for god like fifteen years, and.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
This dude is like so like punk like.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
He doesn't give compliments, he doesn't say, he doesn't acknowledge
you wearing anything different. He just he's one of those dudes,
you know, the kid. And the first thing he said
was those looked really cool. Is the tattoo? And I
was already thinking it then. And then and then my trainer.
I get in the van to go to location. My
trainer goes too that would be a sick tattoo. And
(03:43):
then my manager, unbeknownst to anything, that was just said,
its adobe a really sick tattoo. And it's like three
confirmations back to back, and so I couldn't unsee it.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
And I'm like looking at it for three.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Days in the desert, and by the time I'm flying home,
I've already contacted uh, machine Gun Kelly's tattoo artist, and
was like, I got I got this idea, and I
had already had the Sessions book before I told my
I told what I get home. I was like, we,
(04:15):
I need to talk to you about something. She goes,
we did you do? I was like, I didn't. I
didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. It's about what
I'm going It's about what I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Getting ready to do exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
And she was all for it.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So now you mentioned machine Gun Kelly. So I have
to then say, uh, because of this podcast and what's
happened in the past, Thanks Corey Taylor. I mean no
disrespect to Machine Gun Kelly. No, you can't use this audio.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
I've never I've never met him, I don't I don't
know him.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I just I was just looking up blackout tattoo artists
and I seen that he had posted something and I
was like, that's pretty tight looking work. Let me see
who did his work, and so I just reached out
to her and she replied.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Immediately, that's awesome. That's awesome. Dude. It does look bad
a never okay, I've never met the guy, so it
does look badass, So thank you. Guys are on to something.
You guys run to something. Meanwhile, I'm trying to figure
out how to tie all mine in together with no budget,
so this will be fun.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I never I never thought about blackout ever. It was something.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It was not even on my radar, so so uh
and and I and I don't recommend it.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
It is okay, wait a minute, like I've got under here,
you know, it's it's negative ten degrees today, I'm wearing
a hoodie, you know. But I've got all under here done.
And I had to go pass out afterwards. So I
can't even imagine the continuous blacking.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
We did it.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
We did it, and we did it in seven days,
so it was three days on one day off, three
days on one day off, and then it was my
body was like, what are you doing to me? Like
we're done? And I was, well, dude, the agony, Oh
but I've got I've gotten plenty of two is in
my life.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I've never experienced.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
This is this is what I always feared tattoos would
feel like, like you're sawing your arm off.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
It's probably what your mom wanted you to think. It
would feel like. He didn't get any exactly exactly. Uh,
Chris taughtry, dude, it's it's good to see you, man.
You look great.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Well, thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You got it. Man, it's getting a little I'm going
today and actually getting it trimmed off a little bit.
It's just it's a little much at the time that
we're having this conversation. I'm getting married this weekend.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
So congratulations, thank you man.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I have to go. I'm leaving today's Monday. I'm leaving
Wednesday morning for Puerto Rico for nine days. And that
doesn't no, it does not at all. She's from there,
her family is from there. So we're staying with her
grandpa for a day and like it, it's gonna be awesome.
But either I gotta yeah, I gotta, I gotta go
in wedded mode. You know, I can't do the the
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full fixtion. Eg.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
The last time I grew my beard.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Out, you had a good one for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Well, the problem with growing a beard out in that
big is when you do decide to get rid of it,
you forget just how small your chin is.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I swear it was. I swear I had a better
Joe line. That is what is happening.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
And you shave it off and like everything disappears, and
uh and you just hate your life for like a week.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Well, I'm not shaving it. I'm just going down a
little bit in length. That's it. Yeah, it's just gonna
make it a little classics.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
That's the way to go. Man.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Absolutely, we were so you know, I tried to talk
to you right before you did all that Christmas touring
and I know you were on some vocal you know
rest Obviously, dude, touring that time of the year cannot
be easy for a singer, especially someone who has the
range that you're doing.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It's the worst, man. I don't know why we do
it every year.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
It's like, uh and and everywhere we went we were
like either chasing a blizzard or being followed by one.
And uh, it was I think at once we were
in Minneapolis and I was like, how do.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
You guys live here? This is this is uninhabitable.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
That's be here right now, Chris, be here right now.
Like I said before, today, the temperature, the real temperature
is ten below last time I left.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah. The wind chill, that's nuts.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
The wind chill was like twenty four below last name.
And it's gonna get worse tonight.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
And how long have you been there?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
My whole life?
Speaker 3 (08:43):
And and you never went. Man, there are places that.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I told you in two days, I'm going to Puerto Rico, right,
and you.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
May never come back.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I may never come back. Like her dad's got her
dad has a house, I'd be like, you can a
spare room, right, yeah? Yeah? Fine? What are the schools
like here for the kids exactly?
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Are they at least a seven or eight?
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
I don't care. They can learn Spanish. I'm good with it,
but you know, but yeah, anyways, it was the show
that I saw you at specifically, Dude, I just you
killed it. And I've seen you live obviously a few times,
you know, since since you know, doing the rock stuff
a little bit hard, more hardcore than you did but previously,
and the show gets better every single time. It sounded great,
(09:30):
it looked great, but it's just it's dude, it is
such a heavy show and just like an intense rock show,
more so than I had remembered from the previous time
I saw you. So hats off, thank you man.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
This is this is uh.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I feel like we're finally doing what I've wanted to
do ever since I was a teenager that that got inspired,
you know, to pick up a guitar and get in
front of a microphone. You know, this is this is
It's been a long time coming. And the fact that
we're we're doing it now in my like mid.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Forties, you know, than never, tris than never, better late
than ever?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, no, man, I mean you've always been good, and
I saw you back in the day two and you
always sounded great. But I just mean this particular show
was just such an intense rock show. And and obviously,
you know, if you listen to the new EP, Shock
to the System Part one, and we'll get into if
there's a part two later, but that too. The music musically, everything,
there's there's just an intensity level that wasn't on your
(10:30):
last couple of albums.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's by design.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
It's it's a conscious effort.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
We we.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Man, once we realized that that that, you know, I
had always been into the heavier stuff, and after having
so much you know, for lack of better terms, uh
pop success at hot a se radio, and.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
We can't talk about that movement.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And and I was I was always worried that that
I wasn't going to be accepted in the rock world
because where I really wanted to be. And once we
when we put Artificial out and it did what it did,
we were just like, oh my god, finally like we
get to lean in on this and and uh we
(11:25):
just never looked back and and and we're just kind
of we're leaning in even harder on the next half,
you know.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
So it's it's been a fun journey.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It took a lot of you know, left turns to
make the right ones. But uh, we're we're we're glad
to be here and and and even more happy that
we're being embraced in this in this community like we
have been. So Yeah, and there is a part too.
Can you imagine if it was just shot the System
Part one, that's just the.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Name of it.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I'm into it. Yeah, I'm into it. Ten years from now,
ten years from now, you and I'd be sitting down
doing one of these a little bit more gray, and
I'd be asking the question, whatever, let.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
The beard die, fool you bro, it's all gray.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
You got to match the skin. Exactly. Yeah, I would
exactly be like, all right, what happened to part two?
That one record you did? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Why was going to be a part two? Why?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
The decision of the EP yeah, and breaking up into
two parts?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, Well I think it started with this has taken
a long time. You know this, This record has taken
a long time to make. Getting the first half was
was was I wouldn't say painstakingly brutal, but it was
(12:49):
taken a long time to get to get these songs
in a place where we were like, fuck.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, like this is it. Partly because I was touring.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
And and and everyone's schedules.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
It was just it was just a.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Long process, but we were happy with what we had.
It was like, man, we love these songs, but we're
nowhere close to having a full record, much less having
these six done.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
So I went to the label and I was like,
what if we.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
You know, we're just releasing singles until the record's done.
And they were like, well, what if we split it
up into two parts? And I'm like you can do that,
And so it was kind of the combination of of
of the label kind of presenting us with an idea
that I didn't even know what was possible. And then
(13:47):
I was like, wait a minute, a tray you released
their their album in three parts before it was a
full album, and I noticed, you know, and then Fallen
in Reverse had been releasing singles for like two years
before they had a record, and I'm like, I guess
there's no rules, and it's just you know, when the
music's right, the music's right, and let's go with it,
(14:08):
and when it's when it's finished. So we we got
the first half done, and then of course go back
out on the road, you know, and we had already
been kind of writing here and there for the second
part or what would be the full record. And I've
been in the studio all week finishing vocals on the
(14:29):
second half. So I'm actually going there today to I
think finish the last song. So we are very close
to having part two finished, and we hope, we hope
to have that out this year in at some point.
We're definitely going to have a first single from the
second half sometime this year. I hope to have the
(14:51):
whole thing done. Uh so, yeah, that's that's pretty much
how that came to be.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Tell Scott I said, Hi, I will, I will appreciate.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I will, I will. I will see him in a
few hours.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
So awesome, awesome.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You know, I think via zoom because he's in l
A right now.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Oh is he and you're you're in the Nashville area somewhere.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You bring up an interesting point. And because there's such
been a big point of contention, is I mean, I
think they started before the pandemic and has really become
even more prevalent now of the of the singles game
and obviously digital streaming having so much to do with that.
That the whole thing for albums. You know, leak Katie
from Pop Evil was here last week and we're kind
(15:33):
of discussing this too, of the yeah, releasing we're releasing
an album, but does anybody care anymore? And it's and
it's an interesting question.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
We care as artists.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
We will body of workout, but but I feel like
what happens is you release a song and all the
attention is on that song. So if you released eight
to ten other ones at the same time, by the
time people get around to going, oh, there's also another
good song.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Oh, there's also and my favorite song is at the end.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
You know, by the time they realize that.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
It's been out, it's been out two years.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
And and you find that the streaming services don't care
at that point because the record's been out for a while,
but no one knew about it, right. So I feel
like when you release a song at a time, it
gives those that song its day and it has a
chance to either be successful or not, but at least it.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Has it's.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
A fair shot.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And then you go on to the next one, and
you finally build up enough attention on the fact that
you've got all these songs out and hopefully you're creating
anticipation for more and go, oh, well, I love these
three songs, so I can't wait for the rest of
the record.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
To come out. Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
And that's that's I think that's the the hopes that
that that's how it plays out, and then when it
finally comes out, you you hopefully have as much buzz
around it as possible.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You know, it worked out for for Ronnie.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Uh, you know I did, and and that album did
you know, Gangbusters? So you know, obviously you know, a
lot of us are looking at that going. Man, if
we can only have half that, you know success, you.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Know, that would be that would be amazing and and.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
It's a good sign that that rock is is thriving,
you know, and we're we're here.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
For it absolutely. If you know, if you'd have told
me five years ago that I Ronnie Radkey would have
been as influential as he is in the way that
he does, I'd have been like, huh, Ronnie really and
he man, he he he found something and yes, wow,
just wow, honestly, Yeah, that whole record is great and
(18:05):
it is an interesting point right release every song? Okay,
you mentioned a tray, you did it, and god, I
feel like Brandon I had that conversation too a couple
of years ago, Like, as releasing stuff goes, you put
it out everything you have it. Here's a single, here's
a couple of songs maybe, and then eventually, if you
want to have the whole thing, you can here it
is in a vinyl form. Here it is, and see
here it is on digital or whatever.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, and he throws some extra stuff on it to
you know, to spice up the you know.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Sure, of course, the you know, because I still do.
I still like holding that physical you know record, you know,
the same age, but like I still like holding that
same that album in my hand. You know. I've gotten
back into vinyl, but there's something still still about CDs,
and I have a CD player in my car. I'm
still doing it, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah, you know I feel like, you know, even if
I don't listen to it, I like having it, And
if I don't listen to it on that format, I
like having the for the even just for the artwork exactly.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So you know, I have tons of vinyl.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
I still listen to it on streaming, but I have
tons of vinyl, and I have the option to play
it if I wanted to. But I love looking at
the you know, I'm at the age now where I'm
if it's on here, I got to zoom in to
read lyrics.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
You're doing.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
You're doing this, dude, I'm taking pictures of me now
and zooming in.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I'm like, what is happening? Holy shit?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Forty five hit and I'm like, I'm that guy. Now
I'm looking at ingredients on the back of things, and
I'm likes, man, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I got Lasik done some years ago as a god said.
But the problem is is that it's like I have
to pull everything away from my face now. I'm like,
damn it. Do any buy focals? Like, what the hell
is going on?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah? That it's not it's not a it's not.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
A good joke.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
No, not exactly exactly. At least I can kind of
see my put my foot pedals on stage, or as
long as I can still do that and see the
buttons in the studio were okay. But also where's the
zoom in on this digital pad?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
I know?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And I'm started having a co host on the board
with her glasses and her bifocals and you can see
it better. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Anyway, that being said, so there is going to be
a shock to the system part two. That's confirmed. You're
working out and you're finishing it up right now, hopefully
something uh later this year. Lyrically, you know, the songs
on this album, I mentioned the intensity musically, the intensity
obviously is there, but lyrically as well, you know, you're
you're hitting some subjects, especially in the song like pieces
(20:46):
you know, artificial to another extent as far as what's
going on in the world and in the digital age,
that is that a continuation of those kind of themes.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, I think I think life broke me open, you know,
a few years ago, and and I think, uh, it
exposed some things that that maybe I was afraid to
talk about before.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And and this record.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Has really brought out these these themes in a.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Very organic way. And I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Heavy subjects, and I think, uh, I don't think there's
a song on the record that that isn't isn't kind
of steeped in darkness. But at the same time, I
think this second half, if I had to get any
sort of tidbit of of of you know, what this
(21:43):
next side of the record is going to be, I
will say that there probably is a little more hope
in it, but it's still steeped in darkness.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
And in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
And I just, uh, I think life is hard, and
I think we're all experiencing that in some capacity. And
I just was like, that's no one wants to hear
everything is great because it's not. And if anything, I
just want people to know that they're not alone and
(22:13):
they're you know, dark thoughts and and but you don't
have to stay there at the same time, you know,
And so uh yeah, I think there's the music certainly
matches that, you know, intensity, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
There's there has to be talking about you know, obviously
darkness and mental health and and those are conversations that
need to continue, you know, and continue to happen, especially
in our world. But uh it also I think I
don't know for me personally, and I can only speak
about me as most of us can. It also allows
(22:53):
some hope to shine when you actually sit there and
deal with the darkness that's happened in your life, whatever
it may be, something as serious, some of the things
that obviously that you've gone through or what anybody's gone through.
It doesn't matter what they are. It matters how it
affects us. And being able to experience those things and
allowing some of the lightness in then, you know, allowing
(23:16):
those tracts to come through so you can it's important.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Well, I think I think just the simple act of
saying those things out loud or talking about them inherently
brings light to it. It is bringing it out into
the light, but as opposed to keeping it on the
inside and letting it turn into something you know, even
more scary, you know, so I do. I love the
(23:43):
idea of saying what someone else may be thinking and going,
oh thank god he feels that way too, That in
and of itself is bringing light to it.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So I want to continue to do that.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Good Good on you. All right, that's some serio stuff.
Let's talk about touring, Yeah, because you are on a couple, dude.
I mean, the headlining stuff is the headlining stuff. But
you're going on Disturbed, you know, twenty fifth anniversary of
the Sickness tour at least one of the legs of that.
You're Creed again later this year like that. Those just
(24:16):
those are big time rock and roll shows, man, in
front of tens of thousands of people in arenas and
stadiums and wow.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
And I manifested that Disturbed tour like a year ago.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Man.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Let me tell you, Okay, I've been wanting to tour
with those guys for a long time.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Dave and I have been friends for a.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Minute, and and I had a dream over a year
ago that that we were not only on tour together,
but I was on stage. You know, we were doing
this ballad that I don't even think existed. It may
have may have been just a play on sound of
silence and a dream.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I don't know, but I texted him.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
I was like, Dude, I had this cool I had
this crazy dream last night that that we were touring together.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
And this was the writer.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
This was either right before Artificial came out or right
around the time.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
And uh.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
And I was like, and we were like singing this
this ballad together. And you know David how he talks,
so I read I read his responses in his voice
and and and the and the text goes, he goes, well,
both of those are possibilities, my friend.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
So I hounded him per year for for over a year.
I was like, dude, when you.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Guys going back out, man, uh, we would love to
submit our name in the pot. Man, we would love
to put to support you. And when it finally happened,
I was it was just like, man, I've been this
is this is a dream tour. Not only that, but
I'm we're all huge, nothing more fans, and we didn't
know that they were going to be the first of three,
(26:02):
so we were like, oh my god, this is like
the perfect lineup. I will say on the on the record,
I am terrified to follow nothing more. Uh, Johnny isn't
Johnny is a beast of a front man physically vocally, and.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
He's a little younger than me. He's got that young
man energy.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
I'm i gotta say I'm a little terrified, but at
the same time, I think it's gonna make us better players.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Now do you two give it? Give it? How excited?
Given how in shape you and Johnny both are, do
you guys have you can you have like lift offs
in between, like you know, like well, well where they're
striking down the nothing more set and putting up the
Daughtry stuff. Can you guys do like a all right,
we're gonna have a squad off. Now, you know, I
don't know you.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I will, I will, I will.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
I will be his uh weight trainer and he can
teach me some Brazilian jiu jitsu.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
So we're gonna we're gonna have a little trade off.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I love it. I love it. Yeah, I don't blame
you nothing more. Is you know it talked about your
show being intense, man, that's a different level altogether.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, what they do?
Speaker 3 (27:14):
They are phenomenal band and I'm so pumped for their
success on this record.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Right now, I've been a fan of those.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Guys for a long time. So good and so.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I love seeing I love seeing rock win. You know,
it's a good time. It's a good time for rock.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
There was a moment there where those big rock shows
tours you had to have somebody else on it in
order to be able to put it play in an arena.
And now you know, by yourself you were selling out
two three thousand Steed venues in this these I mean
that tour is going to be selling out fifteen thousand
Seed arenas, and you know it's it's an awesome You're right,
it's an awesome time to be a rock fan because
(27:56):
it has some of it has come back around and
some of the.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
You got bands like Sleep Token already playing arenas.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Like it's what I mean?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
You know it's weird, dude, Dude, I'm I was with
my kids at an indoor water park yesterday and I
kid you not, I'm wearing a Sleep Token shirt. And
two occasions, these two good old boys that you would
never peg as as a metal fan whatsoever, just by
(28:28):
looking both go I was wearing a Sleep Token shirt.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
That's a cool shirt, man, And I'm.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Like six months ago no one would have you say
sleep Token.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
They have no idea what you're talking about. And they are.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
They have like infiltrated every pocket of of of music fan,
which I think is amazing and an incredible feat. So
it's stuff like that, man, It's it's really encouraging that
that it's making waves like it is. And and it's
people that you would never think of, you know, you
(29:02):
only picture people that look like they shop at Hot
Topic to know who those bands are, you know which?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
And so I had dude, Okay, I'm on the outline
of rock programming. Now I just do this show, the
Cutting Edge Countdown, and I do a morning show where
I tell Dick jokes. I don't you know what I mean? Like,
I don't. I don't sit in program rock radio anymore
the way I used to. I watched the charts because
of the Cutting Edge Countdown. That's it. But can we
stop being so scared to play bands like that on
(29:31):
our format? Because on my home station, you know, like
I filled in for the music director and I'm like,
I'm adding the Sleeptoken song and I did. He came
back from vacation. He's like, did you add sleep tooken?
I'm like, hell, yeah, I did. It's the biggest song
in the world right now. And this was you know,
a year and a half ago or whatever. Yeah, and
(29:52):
that's awesome. We kept it in. I think we're the
only station to play it.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
It's because it all go.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
Ahead, No, it's it's I think I think, Uh, you
have these bands out there that that no one knows
about whether it's because they just haven't had that that.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
That crossover hit, or or or maybe it's too heavy
for the average listener or or whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
And there's this fear of.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Of maybe it's just by looking at this band, I
don't even know if I want to put them on,
you know what I mean. And it's it's such a
it's such a limiting way of thinking about it. And uh,
there's so much great music out there that isn't being
played so much on the mainstream, like Architects and.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I love that band.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
And yeah, I hope that this is kind of a
shift in the tide.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
So to speak.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I hope so too, at least for that, you know.
And it was my my oldest son, who was a
college student, is the one who really introduced me to
sleep Token. You know, and he listens to folk music
like her. He listens to Martin Sexton like he's a
god and very talented dude, don't get me wrong, but
I'm like, you're listening to sleep Token like dude.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
But uh, Mark TREMANI turned us onto him back uh,
back like two three years ago when we were touring together,
and he's like, dude, my new favorite man.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
You've never heard of him.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
You've got to listen to these and I'm like, what
am I listening to? I can't pick a jump, like,
I can't peg them as anything.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Now do you have the same experience as I did?
Like when you put them on, You're like I don't
understand what's happening, and then all of a sudden it
was like I need more.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, and then what's the next song? Dude?
Speaker 3 (31:50):
For three hours, we went through their entire catalog where
in the dressing room like yeah we go, we got
meet and great hold on this song, like I never.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Heard that's awesome. Yeah, so okay disturbed later this year,
like I mentioned the stuff, there's gonna be so many
opportunity to see dotcha. Yeah. Speaking of Mark Tamani, Uh,
I know you did what one or two Creed shows
in the last run.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
We did run, and it was because we already had
some other dates lined up that that interfered with it logistically,
you know. And those those radius clauses.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Man, they get you, yeah, they do.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
That's that's why we're not doing more on this run
because there was some that interfered with the areas that
we're gonna be out with disturb so uh, but we
love those guys and we're so grateful that they like
us enough to keep bringing us out.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
So yeah, man, it's uh, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Man.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
This band that that that you know, disbanded for over
a decade is bigger than they've ever been.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
If that's not if that's not a good sign for rock.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Man, Like, I don't know what it is. And it's
as we were given shout outs. Just a couple of
weeks ago, Mark Tremonti released his new his new Tremante album,
which is which is a lesson in how to play
hard rock and heavy metal guitar. Go creak it up.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, that dude is I don't I don't know when
he sleeps.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
He's either he's either does.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Recording a Sinatra record or his own record or alter
Bridge or create like it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So he's one of my favorite people to talk to
because every time I talk to him, it's like, all right, dude,
well all right, what are we talking about today? Which band?
What am I? What can I talk about on this time?
And we'll have you again in six months and talking
about the next project, you know whatever, and there's remember
there's an Ulti Bridge record coming later.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
So he's one of my favorite human beings.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Man.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I love that guy.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Absolutely. Good luck this year. It's gonna be a big
year for Daughtry Man and I'm so happy for you.
I really am.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Thank you, Cutter Man.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
I appreciate you having us, Thanks for all the support
Man always, and hope you see out there on the road.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Cutter's Rock Cast.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Don't forget to tune in exactly
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