April 11, 2025 • 34 mins
Saturday, April 12th is Record Store Day, and Black Stone Cherry are one of many bands and artists taking part and releasing an exclusive Record Store Day album called This Is Black Stone Cherry's RSD Release...And The Band Really Loves it. Lead singer Chris Robertson and I dig into the album, being proud papas, and what's next for the Kentucky Music Hall of Famers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Attention plays and no it.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Cutters rock Cat what So I think I just bought
that same T shirt for my kids.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You can't go wrong when.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Nirvana, No, you can't.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I went on a whole dude, this is not even
how I imagine to start this conversation, but the shirt
put it off. I went on a whole journey for Christmas.
He had on his list, I want a Green Day
hoodie and I want a Nirvana hoodie or T shirts,
and I'm like, okay, So I found a Nirvana T
shirt at some random place in the mall that I
did not expect, and then I had to have screen
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printed a nerve and it was that Nirvana T shirt.
But then I had to have screen printed actual Nirvana
hoodie for him.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
That I think he already lost at his mom's house. Anyway,
how old is your son? Thirteen?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
So, dude, my little boy's twelve. Okay, same thing going
on right now? Right my little dude started playing drums
and guitar, and it's like he's discovering all these bands
that I grew up on that made me want to
play music. And it's like, now my child only wears
band T shirts. He's got his hair is like a
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pinkish red that hits him about his collarbone, and here
you go. I love it, man, It's like, you know,
the Second Coming.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
That's amazing. I remember a couple of years ago he walked.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
He was probably eleven, you know, he walks out of
his bedroom and goes, hey, dad, I think we just
put like a smart speaker in his room. And he's like,
hey dad, have you ever heard of this band Motorhead.
I'm like, oh, have I come here, son? Let me
bring you to the record collection. Here's overkill enjoy.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
That's awesome, man, I don't know it. Mix it. You
just started doing drum lessons too. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Gave him an old guitar. He's been doing that anyway.
Look at us, Proud Papa's over here.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Absolutely, that's as cool as a gifts man.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, it really is. Chris Robinson from Blackstone Shirt. It's
good to see my friend.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yes there, how you doing, bud It?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Fantastic. Congratulations on the Kentucky Music Hall of.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Fame, Thank you, thank you. That was that was a
huge thing for us, man, You know it.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Kentucky has such a rich musical history, you know, and
it's the majority of it is steeped in country music
and blue grass and roots music like that, but there's
also been lots of great rock and roll bands, you know.
I mean, Exile was, you know, their Kentucky band, and
then you move on to My Morning Jacket and KG
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Elephant and and the Kentucky Headhunters and all these bands
that kind of come out.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Of Kentucky, you know, and then the stuff that I
grew up on, you know, like Keith.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Whitley's and Ricky Skaggs and and a lot of that
classic country stuff you know that I grew up listening to.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
When you get.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Invited to be part of something that a lot of
those amazing artists are are part of, you know, the
people would start. Simpson got inducted the same night we did,
which was just badass. He brought he brought Danny McBride
along with him to do his induction, so it was
it was cool. They did like the what's the What's
the show that they're on together? It's so funny, the
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Netflix show. It's like the John Goodman Danny McBride, Oh.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
The one where he's a preacher. Yeah, John Goodman's a preacher.
I don't remember the name of the show, but yeah,
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
But yeah, but it was really cool.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
So not only was it the like the coolest night
ever because we got inducted into the Hall of Fame,
but also as we're standing there, we're like, there's no
way any fin powers just walked in due and sure
enough Danny McBride walks in, and you're like, oh my god,
this is amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
We're talking about real music, us change it over from sports.
That's pretty cool man to be to be inducted into
your Home States Music Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Hey, I just did.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
No, no, it's it's just you know, dude, I'm the
son of a local musician who was the son of
a local musician, being a Kentucky musician. You know, my dad,
who passed away a few years ago. He was a
local musician, played in bands all around here. And then
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my grandpa, his dad built acoustic guitars. He built Manlins
all by hand and played bluegrass and was was really
kind of known for where we're from, you know. So
I was the hell raising long haired version of him
until my hair decided to run away from me, but
you know, I was I kind of went the more
rock and roll route for our family, but it, you
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know it, they were My dad and my grandpa were
both extremely proud of me and always made me, you know,
well aware of that and that they were proud that
I had.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Done something with music.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Do you have any of his instruments?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, I've got the first and last mandolin my grandpa
ever built. So it's kind of like really cool to
see the first thing that he started working on and
never even finished, and then have the final product after
all the years.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You know, Manlin, I've.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Got Manlin number negative one, which would have been the prototype,
I guess, and then I've got mandolin number ninety five
or ninety seven, whichever number the last one was. And
then I've also got about three of his guitars that
he built that I use, you know, just sitting playing
around home. There there there are two prize to take
out anywhere, but they.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Just you know, I've got them here to have.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Do you ever think about using one of them on
a record or have you?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I have I've used those on records before, just you know,
strumming chords and stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
And admittedly I'm not a I'm not a fantastic acoustic
guitar player. I stick to electric guitars for the most part.
The acoustic stuff is I just played Cowboy chords kind
of and let it go.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Well, dude, I just got a I just got a
line six helix. And you know, being in a bar band,
it's like the less stuff I can move around, the better.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I've found. No, there you go. I uh well, I'm
new to the world. I was still up until six
months ago. I'm still looking around my orange half stack,
you know. But I found a setting that's an acoustic emulator,
and with my Telly it sounds better than my acoustics sounds,
which is a really nice acoustic I'm like, son.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Of a bit, dude. It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Like I started using a helix around twenty seventeen, I
think it was, and I've been using one ever since.
And if you have seen our band live in the
last at least in the last six years, all the
guitars and bass are helix live.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I record our records with the helix.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
The acoustic guitar simulator you're talking about, that's what Ben
uses live. When we do again, you know, and the
first the first course of that goes down to an
acoustic guitar.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It's just it's the same thing. Man. I used to
travel the world with two vamps and a half stack
and a massive.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
You know, collection of gear, and you know, a fairly
small pedal board, but you know, I had to have
at least two vamp heads of a certain kind.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And I was very peculiar about it, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And then I got a helix, and I was like,
why the hell did I pack all that stuff around forever?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Man Like, as long as there's a decent monitoring system,
you know.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Unfortunately for us, we were at a spot where most
of the venues we show up to.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
They've got a good monitor package, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And as long as I can hear that, I don't
even need my cabinet on stage with a powder or anything. Man.
I've just gotten used to to my pedal board being
there and the sound comes back to the monitor and
it's all I need.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Well, we just started using in ears, which yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Did that for a long time. My problem was, though,
is I never liked the separation that in ears give you.
Even with ambient microphones. I would always pull out my
right in ear, and I actually ended up having some
hearing damage in my left ear because I would compensate.
I would turn the right an ere out and then
I would turn the pack up to compensate to get
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it as loud as a stage, and it was just
pulverizing my left ear. Man, So I've got a little
bit of you know, ringing and crackling noises that go
on in my left ear. Some tonights from that. But
it wasn't because of using in ears. It was because
of my misuse of in ears. You know, they're designed
to protect your hearing, and I just misused them. So
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I just I man, I found these ear plugs that
I just kind of swear by now and I use those.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
In floor wagers. It's the the Dario D buds. I
have seen that.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I think I've seen an ad for those come across
my timeline.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, dude, but they've got like two settings.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
They've got a negative twelve and a negative twin five,
and I use them on the negative.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Twelve and it seems like they just kind of filter
like the really harsh hives. Okay, that's all I want.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Still, Yeah, getting older as a musician, these things are
gonna you know, you gotta start thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I get it, dude.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I'll be forty this year, you know so.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
And I've been on the road doing this since I
was nineteen eighteen nineteen, so, you know, standing in front
of John Fred Young for the last you know, twenty
twenty five years as a band, just about now, twenty
four years standing in front of him, the beast that
he is. You know, he doesn't play salt.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I can just imagine a lot of places, a lot
of places we play. I'm not very far from.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I've been on stage during a Blackstone Cherry sound check
and can confirm what you say.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, oh yeah, And dude, I'm telling you as loud
as it is at soundcheck. You can ask anybody who's
ever ran sound for us out front. They have to
regain stage the drums once we start our first song
most times, because he plays even harder during the show
than what you're hearing a sound check, just because it's adrenaline.
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It's it's pure adrenaline, man. That dude is like he
is a frigging machine, man. I remember he broke his
hand when we were overdoing We did a DVD years
ago called Living Live was in Birmingham, England, and John
Fred's right hand, this bone that runs down like from
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your wrist to your your pinky knuckle, was broken the
whole half of frigging tour because we're playing in Miligan, Italy,
and he's hyped up like crazy and he comes down
to punch a symbol at the end of his drum
solo and he kind of misses and he lands his
hand right on the little twist top on the drum, yeah,
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the little wing nut, and it broke that bone. Well,
it swells up and he didn't know it broke.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
We're in the middle of a tour. He gets home
and he's like, dude, this hand is killing me.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
He finished the tour like that finish the tour, gets.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Home after the tour and finds out that this bone
is broken right there where he came down on top
of the single finish.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Had no idea it was broken, just thought he thought
he had like a bone bruise or something. The beast.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Uh you know what, you guys, Uh, I think it's
a testament and maybe this, maybe this being put in
the Hall of Fame helps prove it. But you guys
are all fantastic musicians. Uh knowing you guys needs to
start absolutely talk to me about this record Store Day release.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
So I'll pause for just one second.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I'm gonna run this actually next weekend for Record Store
Day because you guys have a record Store Day release.
Uh yeah, Blackstone Cherry releasing a Record Store Day album,
which is my favorite name.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Ember.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I had to write it down just so I didn't
screw it up. This is Blackstone Cherry's Record Store Day album.
The I can't read my handwriting.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
We really like it. The band really likes it. That's
what it is.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, dude, that is a everybody loves it.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
And that is a kind of a knight of the
hat to one of our favorite blues artists, Holland Wolf.
So in the late sixties, Holland Wolf made this like
electrified blues album.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's kind of like a psychedelic.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Experimental album because Holland Wolf was very very traditional blues.
You know, he didn't even like electric guitar. When he
first heard it, he thought it sounded stupid, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
So for the Wolf to.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Go make this record, and dude, you got to check
it out. It's just called the Holland Wolf Album. But
the cover is where we got the idea. It's the
cover says, this is Holland Wolf's album.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
He doesn't like it.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
He didn't like his electric guitar at first either, and
that was the entire cover because the Wolf didn't want
him to put the record out because it just you know,
have you ever heard Electric Mud by Muddy Waters, Yeah,
or some of the Okay, so you know how like
Johnny Winter came in and he really like Electrified Money.
He kind of brought him into this modern kind of
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blues kind of It was almost like they were in
a juke joint. When you listen to Electric Mud or
Hard Again those.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Two records, Yeah, it definitely has that value of doubt.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
And then so they did the same kind of thing
with the Wolf and he hated it. He hated the
record with a passion, but I love it. It's one
of my favorite records of all time. And we were like,
what are we going to do for a record store
day cover, And like two of us at the same
time mentioned that Hallan Wolf covered how cool it was,
you know, just to put something like that. So we
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kind of just did our version of that, you know,
and it's it's kind of a tip of the hat,
but in our own kind of way.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Sure, the album itself being out for Record Store Day,
it's like standard record store day stuff, right, there's a
few thousand copies on vinyl or some more on CD,
and then it'll be out digitally next week. But this
is what a collection of kind of random singles you
guys have been putting out, obviously out of pocket with
Jesse Leachs.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah, it's some different stuff, man, that was never on
like actual physical copies of anything. And I don't have
the track listing right in front of me, and I'm
horrible with that stuff. But I know that like a
couple of the songs we recorded, uh during the Screaming
at the Sky sessions, have you ever been Lonely?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And I Miss You?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Those songs are recorded during that session. And then there's
some really cool live stuff in there, some uh some
stuff where we've got features. You know, there's I think
there's a track, Uh, there's the one with Jesse, and
then I think there's another one, but.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I'm not sure if I have the I have the
track list in front of me.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
That's good. That's that's that's that's top shelf.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
A little bit. American Horse featuring John cou Skillet and
Aaron Jones is on it.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, man, So that one we that was a song.
We uh, that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Actually we did that and to kind of celebrate the
final tour of last year where we went and did
the UK and we had Hey, Ryan and Skillett come
out and join us on tour, and we wanted to
do a song just to put out a song for
that tour really, and we thought, how cool would it
be if we did kind of like a tour package
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song where we're the bands on tour have a song
to put out together.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I hadn't really seen anything done like that in a while, and.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
We wanted to do something from a band that was
from the UK, you know, like just to kind of
tip the hat there. You were coming there to play.
Let's let's do that and do the culture. One of
the most badass bands just for like rock and roll,
no no frills, no tricks, no nothing, just straight up
rock and roll.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
They're so good and American Horse.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Just kind of, I don't know, it just kind of
embodied the spirit of rock and roll a little bit,
you know, trying to tame some wild Mustang out in
the fields and we loved it, and John and Aaron
came in and put their stamp on it just made
it super awesome.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's fantastic. So that's how it starts. Then out of
Pocket featuring Jesse Leach. How'd that one come about? Because
that was obviously a single here for a little bit, Yeah, dude.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
So we were on the ship Rock Cruise a couple
of years ago and we do our first show on
the pool deck and as soon as we're done, like
Jesse and then Caleb from Bearto's and a bunch of
other people alives from nine Point, some of the other
bands come over and start chatting up with it's just
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kind of b essing, and you know, we developed a friendship,
you know. So it was the first time some of
those guys had got to see us actually live, because
we don't tour in that circle much. You know, those
bands are heavier than us for the most part, and
we don't, you know, go out on tour as much
with those means. We would like to sometimes, but we
just kind of developed a friendship. And when we started
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talking about doing out of Pocket with somebody featured on it,
Jesse was the guy that we thought of because he's
got such a unique screen voice and then he's also
got a really really cool singing voice as well.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
You know, I remember the Roadrunner United.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Stuff after the early kill Switch stuff where Jesse was
a part of that singing on a song called Through
the Fire and Flames, and I was like, we just
got's voices.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Unreal.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Uh, well, his his band, his band Seamless.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yes, I was in love with Jesse's Jesse's just badass.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
For lack of a better terms, We reached we reached
out man and he was like, hell, yeah, dude, I'd
love to be a part of this thing with you
guys and do it. And we were just blown away,
you know, because we grew up on all that early
kill Sweet stuff, you know what I mean, Like that's
that was what made us get a little heavier, you know,
is we're we're never going to be that heavy, but
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that you know, they definitely had an impact on us.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I used to go to sleep Watch and kill Switch
DVDs man when I was like straight out of high school,
so you know, to get Jesse on there was amazing.
And then when that last chorus comes in and Jesse's
screaming in the back.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It's just it's so so fun, man, we love That's awesome. Yeah,
and then there's all the covers obviously, right, it's what's
love got to do with it? Which is I remember
playing I played that on my active rock station when
I was still on it full times. It's now your
Classic Rock Mornings and then my syndicated show. But just wow,
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my god, Blackstone, Charry and Teaa Turner Okay, yeah, that wow,
that's a fun version.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
We had went over to the UK to do a
DVD premiere. We we did the Albert Hale thing. Yeah,
and we had gone over one summer the premiere that
at a small theater. It was a really cool thing,
you know, like three or four hundred fans and us
watching this premiere of this DVD together s live concert film.
And we did a Q and a meet and greet
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after him. And We're staying at the Hard Rock in
London and I had gone outside come back in and
as I'm going back up to the hotel room, the
other three guys are sitting down in the lobby just
you know, having to drink, having some dinner or whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And I was ready for bed, so I'd go.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Upstairs and What's Love Got to Do with It comes
on the sound system of the hotel lobby and John
fred says, man, I guess he looked at Ben and
Steve and was like, we could do a badass version
of this. Chris would would put a really great vocal
on it, I think, and we just kind of took
that idea and ran with it when they mentioned it.
The next morning and we recorded the song and dude,
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we had had the song finished, everything done, ready to roll,
and then the news of Tina.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Passing came out and we were like, you have got
to be kidding.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
We're probably the only rock and roll band right now
that's got one of her songs that we have just covered.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And you know, so when we put it out, we donated,
you know, any any.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Proceeds that we would have received, we put them on
a donation for domestic.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Violence and stuff like that. So you know, that was
something she was She was very very adamant about that song.
Is just God, that song is so good.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
But it was it was fun to take that song
and kind of experiment with it, you know, because it's
it's a pop song, tried and true and to kind
of put some rock and roll formula in it.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
It was. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
That's uh yeah, that's amazing. I played that for my wife.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
She's a big she was a big Tina Turner fan,
so she like all the old town and stuff, you know,
the most kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
There's a there's a movie called Standing in the Shadows
of Motown that I used to watch religiously, so good.
If she hasn't say that, she should, man, it's they
they got the surviving Funk Brothers together and standing in
the Shadows stay. Yeah, it's it's the story of the
Funk Brothers basically, and they got the surviving members together,
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uh in Detroit one night, I think it was, and
they had a bunch of artists come sing. So it's
like Ben Harper and uh, my favorite performance on the whole.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Thing is Joan Osborne does what Becomes of the Broken Hearted,
the old Jimmy rocking song.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
She does that with with the Funk Brothers and dude,
her voice just I get chills just thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It's but it's that movie, is that good man.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It's Standing in the Shadows of Motown and it goes
through the history of how they would write those songs
and arrange them, and you know, it was one group
of people that played on everything that came.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Out of Motown.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Well right, yeah, well definitely to check that she's originally
from Detroit, so there's.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And as far as the Recordster Day really, uh, there's
you know, obviously it's give me one reason of course.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Would you guys had some success with have You Ever
Been Lonely?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I Miss You and then some live versions and Lizzie
Hale was just here last week and there's an acoustic
version of the song with her piece is free.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, Lizzie's she has been a friend, yes, everybody.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I mean, man, I remember I remember in two thousand
and one, before our record came out, before Helstorm's EP
came out, the one and Done EP, the.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
First thing they put out.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
You know, I think maybe that had just come out
and our record was about to come out, and we
went down to Florida to do this this festival and
the first two bands of the day were Helstone and
Black Sow Chair. And we're in doing an interview much
like we are right now, but it's you know, it's
on site and this thing and all of a sudden,
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Lizzie starts.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
You start hearing this voice. I had no idea who
it was, and it's Hailstorm.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
And if you saw Helstorm back in the early two thousands,
it was almost clockwork the way they started their show.
They came out.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
It was just Lizzie.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
She would come out on stage first, or she would
do it from the side stage with the microphone, but
they would do It's not You, and she would start
it off a cappella singing that I'm in love with somebody,
but doing the big vocal thing, and dude, she sang
three notes and we literally stopped me an interview, one
of our first ever interviews, stopped meet interview and.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Walked out to see what was going on because of
this voice.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
And we befriended the band that day and Joe, Josh, Lizzie,
and RJ became friends that have been lifelong friends ever since,
and we've toured together many times, and they're just beautiful people.
You know, anytime we've ever had an idea that we've
ran past Lizzie, Joe, Joshua, r J, it's always been
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absolutely you know, it's They're just some of the most
beautiful human beings.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
On the planet, truthfully.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
And you know that anytime that you know, as a singer,
anytime you get to sing with somebody like Lizzie, it's
just it's an.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Absolute treat because.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Anytime me and her sing together, it's there's never like
a guess who's gonna sing what or how's it done?
We just sing and it just worked really well together.
And like I remember the first time she sang Pieces
Free with us. We didn't rehearse it, we didn't sound
check it. I just said, you good, you know all
the words and stuff. You take the second verse and
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then I'll sing around you.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And that was literally it.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
And she came out on a tour with us and
started singing that song and and just she adds something
to it. You know, there's this Janish Joplin kind of
kind of resonance that Lizzy gets when she says that,
you know that that gravel in her voice that it's
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to me, those those voices when the female voice starts
to get that little bit of rasp and distored. You know,
that's one of the most beautiful things in the world
to me. No, you're wrong, I love really clean voices too.
But like when Kelly Clark's and things in and she
gets that little rasp in her voice.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Oh my goodness, there's a feeling there.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Say, it's something where you can feel it in the soul.
It's like the soul coming out. And I don't know
how to explain it, but it's uh.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I agree with you. I love that style of vocal
and to be able to do it and do it right,
and do it on key and do it every time. Yes,
that's a that's a different talent, man, that is a different.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Lizzy is a force of friggin nature. That's all there
is to that.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And yeah, and the fact that she last week took
took time out co host of my morning show with
me basically is my co host was out with with
the death and the family and and you know, the
podcast and all that stuff. She's awesome, dude. I can't
say enough good things about Hailstorm since the very beginning.
You're absolutely correct, beautiful humans And you know.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
A lot of people, man, You meet a lot of
people in this business, just like I have. You know,
and people aren't always what you want them to be.
You know, you have to stop expecting anything from people.
I learned that long ago, don't expect anything, just you know,
understand everything, and that's.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
What I try to do.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
But man, they're just some of the best. Literally, they
go above and beyond. And there are people in this
business that you know, you're like, how can stay over here?
And then there are people that you're like, I would
welcome them into my circle at any given day. And
the Hellstorm Camp is one of those camps that are
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welcome any day of the week, any place to stay.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
We got you covered.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I want to mention.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I want to mention this story really quick because I
don't I just thought about it and I don't know
that I've ever actually talked about it on the show before.
But years and years and years ago, Blackstone Cherry had
just signed with Ronan Records, and at the time there's
a guy doing radio stuff. His name is Mark Abramsom,
and I love Mark to death to this day. But
he was we were at where we're I think we
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were in Minneapolis, and it was some convention going on,
and I didn't really care about the morning sessions all
that much. And I'm still like, I got punk rock
flowing through my veins yet, so I'm still like whatever,
I don't care you know, and he goes, well, Hey,
I'm going over to a couple of radio stations in
town to play them. This band I'm absolutely in love with,
called Blackstone Cherry.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
You should come with. I'm like, all right, I'll come
do some radio calls with you.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Why not.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
It'll be fun for me as a music director of
a radio station. Be kind of fun to do it
from the other side.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So I went with him to try to hawk Blackstone
Cherry's first single at rock radio.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
To a couple of radio stations from Minneapolis era. Yeah,
no problem.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I mean, we have some great times with Mark's doing well.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
As far as I know he is, i mean, completely
out of music industry now.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
But yeah, dude, this business is one of those where
it it changes so fast, man, it really does. And
it's there's been so many people come and go, bands
and members, just people in the business. You know, in
the last twenty five years, it has changed so much
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that the music business used to be about selling CDs
and and you know, and and that was kind of
the thing. Now it's get your streme numbers up in
some concert tickets and t shirts and you know, but dude,
it's like, yeah, we're we're T shirt salesman.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Now that's so. Did we go on the road and
sell T shirts? But it's I wouldn't change it for
the world, man.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
You know, I'm very thankful for the opportunity that that
we're to give in and the fact that you know,
all these years later.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I mean it, dude, it's twenty twenty five and next
year will be twenty years since y'all were out there
trying to get that first single for people to play it.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
So that was not I haven't been in this business
that long. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Thank you very much. I saw for this many years
of support, sir. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
You're welcome. I saw a picture of myself the other day.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I think I was looking at like Facebook memories or something,
and and it was an old promo picture from something
and that my beard was black, and I'm like, uh,
there's no weight now, there's so much white.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
What happened, I'll dude, But at least you still got
your top head hair like that all went away?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Maneah, but I do you can pull it off.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
In bold at like thirty years old, so you can
pull it on it for the last ten years I've
I've been kind of.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
This way, but now it's that the point of my
beard when.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I grow it out, it's got some gray and its
pretty much everywhere, and I'm pretty salt and peppered at
this point.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
But hey, man, I'm doing alright for a thirty nine
year old.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
It looks like you see, it's that rock and roll wisdom. Baby,
Is that rock and roll wisdos?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
That's what it is? What it is all in the
years on a tour bus.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
What else is going on for you guys this year?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Dude, we're actively working on new music and you know
that's going really really well. Uh, these new songs are badass,
and we're just doing shows in between that, man, you know.
So it's it's kind of a little bit of a
slower year for us touring wise, which we're still doing
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a lot of shows, but we're we're just we're working
working on new music.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Man.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
We're actually getting together. We get together a few days
a week and write.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
It's it's difficult when we're at home because everybody's got
you know, family life that they've got to tend to
and all that, and you know, not be the rock and.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Roll versions of ourselves all day long.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
But we we're getting together and writing and we've got
a great start on a on a new set of
music and staying.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Man.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
You know, you can't go away very long in this
business anymore. You gotta you gotta stay active. So we're
to do that, trying to keep music coming out and
staying on the road.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
There you go. I mentioned my wife earlier.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I'm a little mad at her because she got to
see you guys open up for Rival Sons and Clutch
and I did not because I didn't gig that night.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
You guys were in town.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Damn that was.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Epic Events Center in Green Bay Center. Okay, you know
my hometown.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
But uh, we had a gig that night for a
friend's grand opening of a bar, and you know, there's
one hundred people there.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I'm like, that's cool. It's gonna be a fun show.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Don't get me wrong, but I'm like, man, Clutch is
one of my all time favorite bands and I love
and she has not stopped as a pop music She's
she's Latin, so as a Latin music and pop music
fan and you know, maybe some classics like motown and disco, Uh,
she's been listening to Rival Sons NonStop since that show.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So that's awesome. Speaking of boys, yeah, Jay's he's so
good man. He just.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
And dude, we were another one of those bands. We've
been friends with them a long time. I remember when
they came out.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
With us, like two thousand, somewhere around ten to twelve
something like that, when Pressure and Time was out.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
It was around the time they were really still doing
Burned Down.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Los Angeles and a lot of that stuff. They came
over and open up for us on a tour in
the UK, and dude, they came out that first night
and we were like.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Who the hell is this band?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Jesus Christ, Like, we heard their record obviously because we
approved them for the tour, but you know, when they
started playing live, we were like, dear God, they're good,
you know, and they're just They're another one of those
bands man that just they deliver every single night, you know,
and just good dudes.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Man.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I got to see them open for Black Sabbath on
that last run.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, dude, I bet that was that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I I saw that one at the Hollywood Bowl. That
was that was wild.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Dude. Scott Scott uses a helix and what's funny is
I can kind of take a little bit.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Of the credit for that because we did some shows together,
and we did some shows together in Poland. There was
a Poland show, a couple different shows across Europe, and
we were all using helix and I remember, like, you know,
we both bands would watch each other because we're playing
these little small clubs and it's just a really cool vibe. Yeah,
And we got done playing and Scott goes, so are
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you using you guys using those for effects? But I
was like, no, man, I was like, everybod of the
guitar sound comes.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Out of this thing.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
And he's like, dude, don't want to have to check
some of that stuff out because Scott travels with an
enormous rig. His guitar rig is massive. But yeah, man,
he ended up integrating the helis in there and uses
it quite a bit in his rig now, man, So
I was I thought that was really really cool.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
This episode of the cutting Nie Cowntown and Cutters Rock
Cast has been improved by line six.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Absolutely, Chris. It's a pleasure man. Thank you for doing this.
I greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yes, sir, thanks for having me man, it's a pleasure
Cutter's rock Cast. Don't forget to tune in exactly
Attention plays and no it.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Cutters rock Cat what So I think I just bought
that same T shirt for my kids.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
You can't go wrong when.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Nirvana, No, you can't.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I went on a whole dude, this is not even
how I imagine to start this conversation, but the shirt
put it off. I went on a whole journey for Christmas.
He had on his list, I want a Green Day
hoodie and I want a Nirvana hoodie or T shirts,
and I'm like, okay, So I found a Nirvana T
shirt at some random place in the mall that I
did not expect, and then I had to have screen
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printed a nerve and it was that Nirvana T shirt.
But then I had to have screen printed actual Nirvana
hoodie for him.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
That I think he already lost at his mom's house. Anyway,
how old is your son? Thirteen?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
So, dude, my little boy's twelve. Okay, same thing going
on right now? Right my little dude started playing drums
and guitar, and it's like he's discovering all these bands
that I grew up on that made me want to
play music. And it's like, now my child only wears
band T shirts. He's got his hair is like a
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pinkish red that hits him about his collarbone, and here
you go. I love it, man, It's like, you know,
the Second Coming.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
That's amazing. I remember a couple of years ago he walked.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
He was probably eleven, you know, he walks out of
his bedroom and goes, hey, dad, I think we just
put like a smart speaker in his room. And he's like,
hey dad, have you ever heard of this band Motorhead.
I'm like, oh, have I come here, son? Let me
bring you to the record collection. Here's overkill enjoy.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
That's awesome, man, I don't know it. Mix it. You
just started doing drum lessons too. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Gave him an old guitar. He's been doing that anyway.
Look at us, Proud Papa's over here.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Absolutely, that's as cool as a gifts man.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, it really is. Chris Robinson from Blackstone Shirt. It's
good to see my friend.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Yes there, how you doing, bud It?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Fantastic. Congratulations on the Kentucky Music Hall of.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Fame, Thank you, thank you. That was that was a
huge thing for us, man, You know it.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Kentucky has such a rich musical history, you know, and
it's the majority of it is steeped in country music
and blue grass and roots music like that, but there's
also been lots of great rock and roll bands, you know.
I mean, Exile was, you know, their Kentucky band, and
then you move on to My Morning Jacket and KG
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Elephant and and the Kentucky Headhunters and all these bands
that kind of come out.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Of Kentucky, you know, and then the stuff that I
grew up on, you know, like Keith.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Whitley's and Ricky Skaggs and and a lot of that
classic country stuff you know that I grew up listening to.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
When you get.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Invited to be part of something that a lot of
those amazing artists are are part of, you know, the
people would start. Simpson got inducted the same night we did,
which was just badass. He brought he brought Danny McBride
along with him to do his induction, so it was
it was cool. They did like the what's the What's
the show that they're on together? It's so funny, the
(03:16):
Netflix show. It's like the John Goodman Danny McBride, Oh.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
The one where he's a preacher. Yeah, John Goodman's a preacher.
I don't remember the name of the show, but yeah,
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
But yeah, but it was really cool.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
So not only was it the like the coolest night
ever because we got inducted into the Hall of Fame,
but also as we're standing there, we're like, there's no
way any fin powers just walked in due and sure
enough Danny McBride walks in, and you're like, oh my god,
this is amazing.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
We're talking about real music, us change it over from sports.
That's pretty cool man to be to be inducted into
your Home States Music Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Hey, I just did.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
No, no, it's it's just you know, dude, I'm the
son of a local musician who was the son of
a local musician, being a Kentucky musician. You know, my dad,
who passed away a few years ago. He was a
local musician, played in bands all around here. And then
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my grandpa, his dad built acoustic guitars. He built Manlins
all by hand and played bluegrass and was was really
kind of known for where we're from, you know. So
I was the hell raising long haired version of him
until my hair decided to run away from me, but
you know, I was I kind of went the more
rock and roll route for our family, but it, you
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know it, they were My dad and my grandpa were
both extremely proud of me and always made me, you know,
well aware of that and that they were proud that
I had.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Done something with music.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Do you have any of his instruments?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yeah, I've got the first and last mandolin my grandpa
ever built. So it's kind of like really cool to
see the first thing that he started working on and
never even finished, and then have the final product after
all the years.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You know, Manlin, I've.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Got Manlin number negative one, which would have been the prototype,
I guess, and then I've got mandolin number ninety five
or ninety seven, whichever number the last one was. And
then I've also got about three of his guitars that
he built that I use, you know, just sitting playing
around home. There there there are two prize to take
out anywhere, but they.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Just you know, I've got them here to have.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Do you ever think about using one of them on
a record or have you?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
I have I've used those on records before, just you know,
strumming chords and stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
And admittedly I'm not a I'm not a fantastic acoustic
guitar player. I stick to electric guitars for the most part.
The acoustic stuff is I just played Cowboy chords kind
of and let it go.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Well, dude, I just got a I just got a
line six helix. And you know, being in a bar band,
it's like the less stuff I can move around, the better.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I've found. No, there you go. I uh well, I'm
new to the world. I was still up until six
months ago. I'm still looking around my orange half stack,
you know. But I found a setting that's an acoustic emulator,
and with my Telly it sounds better than my acoustics sounds,
which is a really nice acoustic I'm like, son.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Of a bit, dude. It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Like I started using a helix around twenty seventeen, I
think it was, and I've been using one ever since.
And if you have seen our band live in the
last at least in the last six years, all the
guitars and bass are helix live.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I record our records with the helix.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
The acoustic guitar simulator you're talking about, that's what Ben
uses live. When we do again, you know, and the
first the first course of that goes down to an
acoustic guitar.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
It's just it's the same thing. Man. I used to
travel the world with two vamps and a half stack
and a massive.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
You know, collection of gear, and you know, a fairly
small pedal board, but you know, I had to have
at least two vamp heads of a certain kind.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And I was very peculiar about it, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
And then I got a helix, and I was like,
why the hell did I pack all that stuff around forever?
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Man Like, as long as there's a decent monitoring system,
you know.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Unfortunately for us, we were at a spot where most
of the venues we show up to.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
They've got a good monitor package, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And as long as I can hear that, I don't
even need my cabinet on stage with a powder or anything. Man.
I've just gotten used to to my pedal board being
there and the sound comes back to the monitor and
it's all I need.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Well, we just started using in ears, which yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Did that for a long time. My problem was, though,
is I never liked the separation that in ears give you.
Even with ambient microphones. I would always pull out my
right in ear, and I actually ended up having some
hearing damage in my left ear because I would compensate.
I would turn the right an ere out and then
I would turn the pack up to compensate to get
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it as loud as a stage, and it was just
pulverizing my left ear. Man, So I've got a little
bit of you know, ringing and crackling noises that go
on in my left ear. Some tonights from that. But
it wasn't because of using in ears. It was because
of my misuse of in ears. You know, they're designed
to protect your hearing, and I just misused them. So
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I just I man, I found these ear plugs that
I just kind of swear by now and I use those.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
In floor wagers. It's the the Dario D buds. I
have seen that.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I think I've seen an ad for those come across
my timeline.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, dude, but they've got like two settings.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
They've got a negative twelve and a negative twin five,
and I use them on the negative.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Twelve and it seems like they just kind of filter
like the really harsh hives. Okay, that's all I want.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Still, Yeah, getting older as a musician, these things are
gonna you know, you gotta start thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I get it, dude.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
I'll be forty this year, you know so.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
And I've been on the road doing this since I
was nineteen eighteen nineteen, so, you know, standing in front
of John Fred Young for the last you know, twenty
twenty five years as a band, just about now, twenty
four years standing in front of him, the beast that
he is. You know, he doesn't play salt.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I can just imagine a lot of places, a lot
of places we play. I'm not very far from.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I've been on stage during a Blackstone Cherry sound check
and can confirm what you say.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Yeah, oh yeah, And dude, I'm telling you as loud
as it is at soundcheck. You can ask anybody who's
ever ran sound for us out front. They have to
regain stage the drums once we start our first song
most times, because he plays even harder during the show
than what you're hearing a sound check, just because it's adrenaline.
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It's it's pure adrenaline, man. That dude is like he
is a frigging machine, man. I remember he broke his
hand when we were overdoing We did a DVD years
ago called Living Live was in Birmingham, England, and John
Fred's right hand, this bone that runs down like from
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your wrist to your your pinky knuckle, was broken the
whole half of frigging tour because we're playing in Miligan, Italy,
and he's hyped up like crazy and he comes down
to punch a symbol at the end of his drum
solo and he kind of misses and he lands his
hand right on the little twist top on the drum, yeah,
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the little wing nut, and it broke that bone. Well,
it swells up and he didn't know it broke.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
We're in the middle of a tour. He gets home
and he's like, dude, this hand is killing me.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
He finished the tour like that finish the tour, gets.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Home after the tour and finds out that this bone
is broken right there where he came down on top
of the single finish.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Had no idea it was broken, just thought he thought
he had like a bone bruise or something. The beast.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Uh you know what, you guys, Uh, I think it's
a testament and maybe this, maybe this being put in
the Hall of Fame helps prove it. But you guys
are all fantastic musicians. Uh knowing you guys needs to
start absolutely talk to me about this record Store Day release.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
So I'll pause for just one second.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I'm gonna run this actually next weekend for Record Store
Day because you guys have a record Store Day release.
Uh yeah, Blackstone Cherry releasing a Record Store Day album,
which is my favorite name.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Ember.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I had to write it down just so I didn't
screw it up. This is Blackstone Cherry's Record Store Day album.
The I can't read my handwriting.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
We really like it. The band really likes it. That's
what it is.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, dude, that is a everybody loves it.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
And that is a kind of a knight of the
hat to one of our favorite blues artists, Holland Wolf.
So in the late sixties, Holland Wolf made this like
electrified blues album.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It's kind of like a psychedelic.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Experimental album because Holland Wolf was very very traditional blues.
You know, he didn't even like electric guitar. When he
first heard it, he thought it sounded stupid, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
So for the Wolf to.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Go make this record, and dude, you got to check
it out. It's just called the Holland Wolf Album. But
the cover is where we got the idea. It's the
cover says, this is Holland Wolf's album.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
He doesn't like it.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
He didn't like his electric guitar at first either, and
that was the entire cover because the Wolf didn't want
him to put the record out because it just you know,
have you ever heard Electric Mud by Muddy Waters, Yeah,
or some of the Okay, so you know how like
Johnny Winter came in and he really like Electrified Money.
He kind of brought him into this modern kind of
(13:09):
blues kind of It was almost like they were in
a juke joint. When you listen to Electric Mud or
Hard Again those.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Two records, Yeah, it definitely has that value of doubt.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
And then so they did the same kind of thing
with the Wolf and he hated it. He hated the
record with a passion, but I love it. It's one
of my favorite records of all time. And we were like,
what are we going to do for a record store
day cover, And like two of us at the same
time mentioned that Hallan Wolf covered how cool it was,
you know, just to put something like that. So we
(13:41):
kind of just did our version of that, you know,
and it's it's kind of a tip of the hat,
but in our own kind of way.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Sure, the album itself being out for Record Store Day,
it's like standard record store day stuff, right, there's a
few thousand copies on vinyl or some more on CD,
and then it'll be out digitally next week. But this
is what a collection of kind of random singles you
guys have been putting out, obviously out of pocket with
Jesse Leachs.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah, it's some different stuff, man, that was never on
like actual physical copies of anything. And I don't have
the track listing right in front of me, and I'm
horrible with that stuff. But I know that like a
couple of the songs we recorded, uh during the Screaming
at the Sky sessions, have you ever been Lonely?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And I Miss You?
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Those songs are recorded during that session. And then there's
some really cool live stuff in there, some uh some
stuff where we've got features. You know, there's I think
there's a track, Uh, there's the one with Jesse, and
then I think there's another one, but.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I'm not sure if I have the I have the
track list in front of me.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
That's good. That's that's that's that's top shelf.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
A little bit. American Horse featuring John cou Skillet and
Aaron Jones is on it.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, man, So that one we that was a song.
We uh, that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Actually we did that and to kind of celebrate the
final tour of last year where we went and did
the UK and we had Hey, Ryan and Skillett come
out and join us on tour, and we wanted to
do a song just to put out a song for
that tour really, and we thought, how cool would it
be if we did kind of like a tour package
(15:29):
song where we're the bands on tour have a song
to put out together.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
I hadn't really seen anything done like that in a while, and.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
We wanted to do something from a band that was
from the UK, you know, like just to kind of
tip the hat there. You were coming there to play.
Let's let's do that and do the culture. One of
the most badass bands just for like rock and roll,
no no frills, no tricks, no nothing, just straight up
rock and roll.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
They're so good and American Horse.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Just kind of, I don't know, it just kind of
embodied the spirit of rock and roll a little bit,
you know, trying to tame some wild Mustang out in
the fields and we loved it, and John and Aaron
came in and put their stamp on it just made
it super awesome.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's fantastic. So that's how it starts. Then out of
Pocket featuring Jesse Leach. How'd that one come about? Because
that was obviously a single here for a little bit, Yeah, dude.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
So we were on the ship Rock Cruise a couple
of years ago and we do our first show on
the pool deck and as soon as we're done, like
Jesse and then Caleb from Bearto's and a bunch of
other people alives from nine Point, some of the other
bands come over and start chatting up with it's just
(16:44):
kind of b essing, and you know, we developed a friendship,
you know. So it was the first time some of
those guys had got to see us actually live, because
we don't tour in that circle much. You know, those
bands are heavier than us for the most part, and
we don't, you know, go out on tour as much
with those means. We would like to sometimes, but we
just kind of developed a friendship. And when we started
(17:07):
talking about doing out of Pocket with somebody featured on it,
Jesse was the guy that we thought of because he's
got such a unique screen voice and then he's also
got a really really cool singing voice as well.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
You know, I remember the Roadrunner United.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Stuff after the early kill Switch stuff where Jesse was
a part of that singing on a song called Through
the Fire and Flames, and I was like, we just
got's voices.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Unreal.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Uh, well, his his band, his band Seamless.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yes, I was in love with Jesse's Jesse's just badass.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
For lack of a better terms, We reached we reached
out man and he was like, hell, yeah, dude, I'd
love to be a part of this thing with you
guys and do it. And we were just blown away,
you know, because we grew up on all that early
kill Sweet stuff, you know what I mean, Like that's
that was what made us get a little heavier, you know,
is we're we're never going to be that heavy, but
(18:06):
that you know, they definitely had an impact on us.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I used to go to sleep Watch and kill Switch
DVDs man when I was like straight out of high school,
so you know, to get Jesse on there was amazing.
And then when that last chorus comes in and Jesse's
screaming in the back.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
It's just it's so so fun, man, we love That's awesome. Yeah,
and then there's all the covers obviously, right, it's what's
love got to do with it? Which is I remember
playing I played that on my active rock station when
I was still on it full times. It's now your
Classic Rock Mornings and then my syndicated show. But just wow,
(18:44):
my god, Blackstone, Charry and Teaa Turner Okay, yeah, that wow,
that's a fun version.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
We had went over to the UK to do a
DVD premiere. We we did the Albert Hale thing. Yeah,
and we had gone over one summer the premiere that
at a small theater. It was a really cool thing,
you know, like three or four hundred fans and us
watching this premiere of this DVD together s live concert film.
And we did a Q and a meet and greet
(19:12):
after him. And We're staying at the Hard Rock in
London and I had gone outside come back in and
as I'm going back up to the hotel room, the
other three guys are sitting down in the lobby just
you know, having to drink, having some dinner or whatever.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And I was ready for bed, so I'd go.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Upstairs and What's Love Got to Do with It comes
on the sound system of the hotel lobby and John
fred says, man, I guess he looked at Ben and
Steve and was like, we could do a badass version
of this. Chris would would put a really great vocal
on it, I think, and we just kind of took
that idea and ran with it when they mentioned it.
The next morning and we recorded the song and dude,
(19:52):
we had had the song finished, everything done, ready to roll,
and then the news of Tina.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Passing came out and we were like, you have got
to be kidding.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
We're probably the only rock and roll band right now
that's got one of her songs that we have just covered.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
And you know, so when we put it out, we donated,
you know, any any.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
Proceeds that we would have received, we put them on
a donation for domestic.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Violence and stuff like that. So you know, that was
something she was She was very very adamant about that song.
Is just God, that song is so good.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
But it was it was fun to take that song
and kind of experiment with it, you know, because it's
it's a pop song, tried and true and to kind
of put some rock and roll formula in it.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
It was. It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
That's uh yeah, that's amazing. I played that for my wife.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
She's a big she was a big Tina Turner fan,
so she like all the old town and stuff, you know,
the most kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
There's a there's a movie called Standing in the Shadows
of Motown that I used to watch religiously, so good.
If she hasn't say that, she should, man, it's they
they got the surviving Funk Brothers together and standing in
the Shadows stay. Yeah, it's it's the story of the
Funk Brothers basically, and they got the surviving members together,
(21:11):
uh in Detroit one night, I think it was, and
they had a bunch of artists come sing. So it's
like Ben Harper and uh, my favorite performance on the whole.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Thing is Joan Osborne does what Becomes of the Broken Hearted,
the old Jimmy rocking song.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
She does that with with the Funk Brothers and dude,
her voice just I get chills just thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It's but it's that movie, is that good man.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
It's Standing in the Shadows of Motown and it goes
through the history of how they would write those songs
and arrange them, and you know, it was one group
of people that played on everything that came.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Out of Motown.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Well right, yeah, well definitely to check that she's originally
from Detroit, so there's.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
And as far as the Recordster Day really, uh, there's
you know, obviously it's give me one reason of course.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Would you guys had some success with have You Ever
Been Lonely?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I Miss You and then some live versions and Lizzie
Hale was just here last week and there's an acoustic
version of the song with her piece is free.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, Lizzie's she has been a friend, yes, everybody.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I mean, man, I remember I remember in two thousand
and one, before our record came out, before Helstorm's EP
came out, the one and Done EP, the.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
First thing they put out.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
You know, I think maybe that had just come out
and our record was about to come out, and we
went down to Florida to do this this festival and
the first two bands of the day were Helstone and
Black Sow Chair. And we're in doing an interview much
like we are right now, but it's you know, it's
on site and this thing and all of a sudden,
(22:54):
Lizzie starts.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
You start hearing this voice. I had no idea who
it was, and it's Hailstorm.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
And if you saw Helstorm back in the early two thousands,
it was almost clockwork the way they started their show.
They came out.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
It was just Lizzie.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
She would come out on stage first, or she would
do it from the side stage with the microphone, but
they would do It's not You, and she would start
it off a cappella singing that I'm in love with somebody,
but doing the big vocal thing, and dude, she sang
three notes and we literally stopped me an interview, one
of our first ever interviews, stopped meet interview and.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Walked out to see what was going on because of
this voice.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
And we befriended the band that day and Joe, Josh, Lizzie,
and RJ became friends that have been lifelong friends ever since,
and we've toured together many times, and they're just beautiful people.
You know, anytime we've ever had an idea that we've
ran past Lizzie, Joe, Joshua, r J, it's always been
(24:02):
absolutely you know, it's They're just some of the most
beautiful human beings.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
On the planet, truthfully.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
And you know that anytime that you know, as a singer,
anytime you get to sing with somebody like Lizzie, it's
just it's an.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Absolute treat because.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Anytime me and her sing together, it's there's never like
a guess who's gonna sing what or how's it done?
We just sing and it just worked really well together.
And like I remember the first time she sang Pieces
Free with us. We didn't rehearse it, we didn't sound
check it. I just said, you good, you know all
the words and stuff. You take the second verse and
(24:44):
then I'll sing around you.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
And that was literally it.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
And she came out on a tour with us and
started singing that song and and just she adds something
to it. You know, there's this Janish Joplin kind of
kind of resonance that Lizzy gets when she says that,
you know that that gravel in her voice that it's
(25:09):
to me, those those voices when the female voice starts
to get that little bit of rasp and distored. You know,
that's one of the most beautiful things in the world
to me. No, you're wrong, I love really clean voices too.
But like when Kelly Clark's and things in and she
gets that little rasp in her voice.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Oh my goodness, there's a feeling there.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Say, it's something where you can feel it in the soul.
It's like the soul coming out. And I don't know
how to explain it, but it's uh.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
I agree with you. I love that style of vocal
and to be able to do it and do it right,
and do it on key and do it every time. Yes,
that's a that's a different talent, man, that is a different.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Lizzy is a force of friggin nature. That's all there
is to that.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
And yeah, and the fact that she last week took
took time out co host of my morning show with
me basically is my co host was out with with
the death and the family and and you know, the
podcast and all that stuff. She's awesome, dude. I can't
say enough good things about Hailstorm since the very beginning.
You're absolutely correct, beautiful humans And you know.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
A lot of people, man, You meet a lot of
people in this business, just like I have. You know,
and people aren't always what you want them to be.
You know, you have to stop expecting anything from people.
I learned that long ago, don't expect anything, just you know,
understand everything, and that's.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
What I try to do.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
But man, they're just some of the best. Literally, they
go above and beyond. And there are people in this
business that you know, you're like, how can stay over here?
And then there are people that you're like, I would
welcome them into my circle at any given day. And
the Hellstorm Camp is one of those camps that are
(26:53):
welcome any day of the week, any place to stay.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
We got you covered.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I want to mention.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I want to mention this story really quick because I
don't I just thought about it and I don't know
that I've ever actually talked about it on the show before.
But years and years and years ago, Blackstone Cherry had
just signed with Ronan Records, and at the time there's
a guy doing radio stuff. His name is Mark Abramsom,
and I love Mark to death to this day. But
he was we were at where we're I think we
(27:22):
were in Minneapolis, and it was some convention going on,
and I didn't really care about the morning sessions all
that much. And I'm still like, I got punk rock
flowing through my veins yet, so I'm still like whatever,
I don't care you know, and he goes, well, Hey,
I'm going over to a couple of radio stations in
town to play them. This band I'm absolutely in love with,
called Blackstone Cherry.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
You should come with. I'm like, all right, I'll come
do some radio calls with you.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Why not.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
It'll be fun for me as a music director of
a radio station. Be kind of fun to do it
from the other side.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So I went with him to try to hawk Blackstone
Cherry's first single at rock radio.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
To a couple of radio stations from Minneapolis era. Yeah,
no problem.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
I mean, we have some great times with Mark's doing well.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
As far as I know he is, i mean, completely
out of music industry now.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
But yeah, dude, this business is one of those where
it it changes so fast, man, it really does. And
it's there's been so many people come and go, bands
and members, just people in the business. You know, in
the last twenty five years, it has changed so much
(28:30):
that the music business used to be about selling CDs
and and you know, and and that was kind of
the thing. Now it's get your streme numbers up in
some concert tickets and t shirts and you know, but dude,
it's like, yeah, we're we're T shirt salesman.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Now that's so. Did we go on the road and
sell T shirts? But it's I wouldn't change it for
the world, man.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
You know, I'm very thankful for the opportunity that that
we're to give in and the fact that you know,
all these years later.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I mean it, dude, it's twenty twenty five and next
year will be twenty years since y'all were out there
trying to get that first single for people to play it.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
So that was not I haven't been in this business
that long. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Thank you very much. I saw for this many years
of support, sir. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
You're welcome. I saw a picture of myself the other day.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I think I was looking at like Facebook memories or something,
and and it was an old promo picture from something
and that my beard was black, and I'm like, uh,
there's no weight now, there's so much white.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
What happened, I'll dude, But at least you still got
your top head hair like that all went away?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Maneah, but I do you can pull it off.
Speaker 4 (29:39):
In bold at like thirty years old, so you can
pull it on it for the last ten years I've
I've been kind of.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
This way, but now it's that the point of my
beard when.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I grow it out, it's got some gray and its
pretty much everywhere, and I'm pretty salt and peppered at
this point.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
But hey, man, I'm doing alright for a thirty nine
year old.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
It looks like you see, it's that rock and roll wisdom. Baby,
Is that rock and roll wisdos?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
That's what it is? What it is all in the
years on a tour bus.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
What else is going on for you guys this year?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Dude, we're actively working on new music and you know
that's going really really well. Uh, these new songs are badass,
and we're just doing shows in between that, man, you know.
So it's it's kind of a little bit of a
slower year for us touring wise, which we're still doing
(30:32):
a lot of shows, but we're we're just we're working
working on new music.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Man.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
We're actually getting together. We get together a few days
a week and write.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
It's it's difficult when we're at home because everybody's got
you know, family life that they've got to tend to
and all that, and you know, not be the rock and.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Roll versions of ourselves all day long.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
But we we're getting together and writing and we've got
a great start on a on a new set of
music and staying.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Man.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
You know, you can't go away very long in this
business anymore. You gotta you gotta stay active. So we're
to do that, trying to keep music coming out and
staying on the road.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
There you go. I mentioned my wife earlier.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
I'm a little mad at her because she got to
see you guys open up for Rival Sons and Clutch
and I did not because I didn't gig that night.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
You guys were in town.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Damn that was.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Epic Events Center in Green Bay Center. Okay, you know
my hometown.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
But uh, we had a gig that night for a
friend's grand opening of a bar, and you know, there's
one hundred people there.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I'm like, that's cool. It's gonna be a fun show.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Don't get me wrong, but I'm like, man, Clutch is
one of my all time favorite bands and I love
and she has not stopped as a pop music She's
she's Latin, so as a Latin music and pop music
fan and you know, maybe some classics like motown and disco, Uh,
she's been listening to Rival Sons NonStop since that show.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
So that's awesome. Speaking of boys, yeah, Jay's he's so
good man. He just.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
And dude, we were another one of those bands. We've
been friends with them a long time. I remember when
they came out.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
With us, like two thousand, somewhere around ten to twelve
something like that, when Pressure and Time was out.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
It was around the time they were really still doing
Burned Down.
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Los Angeles and a lot of that stuff. They came
over and open up for us on a tour in
the UK, and dude, they came out that first night
and we were like.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Who the hell is this band?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Jesus Christ, Like, we heard their record obviously because we
approved them for the tour, but you know, when they
started playing live, we were like, dear God, they're good,
you know, and they're just They're another one of those
bands man that just they deliver every single night, you know,
and just good dudes.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Man.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
I got to see them open for Black Sabbath on
that last run.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, dude, I bet that was that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
I I saw that one at the Hollywood Bowl. That
was that was wild.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Dude. Scott Scott uses a helix and what's funny is
I can kind of take a little bit.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Of the credit for that because we did some shows together,
and we did some shows together in Poland. There was
a Poland show, a couple different shows across Europe, and
we were all using helix and I remember, like, you know,
we both bands would watch each other because we're playing
these little small clubs and it's just a really cool vibe. Yeah,
And we got done playing and Scott goes, so are
(33:37):
you using you guys using those for effects? But I
was like, no, man, I was like, everybod of the
guitar sound comes.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Out of this thing.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
And he's like, dude, don't want to have to check
some of that stuff out because Scott travels with an
enormous rig. His guitar rig is massive. But yeah, man,
he ended up integrating the helis in there and uses
it quite a bit in his rig now, man, So
I was I thought that was really really cool.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
This episode of the cutting Nie Cowntown and Cutters Rock
Cast has been improved by line six.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Absolutely, Chris. It's a pleasure man. Thank you for doing this.
I greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yes, sir, thanks for having me man, it's a pleasure
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