May 16, 2025 • 20 mins
20 years is a long time to be in a band, but sometimes it takes that long to truly break through and become more than just underground heroes. The Devil Wears Prada is doing exactly that with a string of recent hits and a new song, "For You," that's poised to take the band to new heights. Plus, you'd be hard pressed to find a better live band than them. Guitarist/singer/songwriter Jeremy DePoyster joins me this week to break it all down and unofficially announce a new album due out in the future. Not breaking news, I know, but you'll have to listen to get the details.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Attention please and no it cutters rock cast man. Hey,
how you doing my lovely Knoxville Hotel studio?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Knoxville Hotel Studio. Yeah, the uh yeah, all the mobile
units set up in a hotel room.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yeah. Now I'm just on my AirPods.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Gotcha. I like it? No, I like that better. I
think the way you said it was much better.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, eloquent, very neat.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
This is awesome. Get to catch you guys in between
what Sonic Temple and welcome to Rockville.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah exactly. We've We've been out for like a month
or so, just kicking around Middle America and all that.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So it's the place to be, especially for those giant
rock and roll music festivals.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Amen to that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Absolutely, jurn me from the Devil Waters product joining us, dude,
Thank you for taking some time man and chatting. I
appreciate it a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Absolutely, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Of course, how was on a temple this year? It's
been a few years since I've been there, so let
me live it through the eyes of you.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It was amazing, and honestly, I'm from Dayton, Ohio, so
I kind of grew up in the area, so it
was like a bit of a homecoming, but our show
is huge and awesome. I saw a bunch of friends,
I prevailed guys and Fleet from Within Silverstein and a
bunch of stuff like that. And then one of the
(01:29):
guys from of Mice and Men was like, Yo, you
want to watch Lincoln Park on stage? And I was
like yeah, So I went and did that.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yes, I do. What do you think of Emily Awesome?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Phenomenal? I mean, I like Chester was like my hero
growing up, and I got to sing with them at
Warp Tour like probably ten years ago and meet him
and Mike and they were so cool and so just
seeing her step into that role, she killed it. It
was awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
That's amazing. Welcome to Rockville is up next, obviously for
the giant Festival thing, not quite the hometown show, but
equally as gigantic.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah. I love Florida. Also, I'm one of those weird
people that just like maybe because I'm trashy and like
to party and go to the beach and stuff, but.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, I thought it was only meth heads and retirees.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, my parents do live down there there.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
You go exactly as all our Midwest parents tend to go.
We're going to Florida. I remember my parents decided they're
going to a couple of summers ago. They're like, we're
just going to be in Florida for the next two months. Like, oh,
you're that age.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay, you got snow burning if you.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Will exactly, Well, the winter's here. I'm from Wisconsin, so
it's uh, didn't get nasty.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, I lived in Chicago for a while, so I'm familiar.
That's why I moved to the South. I was like,
I'm not doing all the snow man's too much.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I get it. I get it. For You is a
new single from the band The Devilwaar's Product and I
want to talk about this song because The Devilwaar is proda.
You know when you guys launched in two thousand and five,
Is that right? Are we on twenty years of Devilwars product?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah? Twenty years this year?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Damn damn, Like we're old. Yeah. Old. Well when you
start the band when you're twelve, it's fine, it's true. Actually, now,
before we get into for you, reflect on that. Twenty
years of a bad mean, that's a big number to cross.
To be in a band for twenty years, let alone
a successful one At that.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah. I mean, it's it's been amazing. First of all,
it's been epic. You know, I'm just a kid from
a little small country town outside of Dayton, so like,
you know, my family had never even been to California.
We just like went to Florida and Myrtle Beach and stuff.
And now we've been able to like travel the world
and meet people that means something too, which I think
(04:01):
is the most important thing. I was talking about Lincoln
Park a little bit ago, and like those songs like
helped me so much when I was like a kid,
you know, just trying to figure out how the world is.
And so I guess what twenty years means for me
is that it's just cool that I can like meet
people of all ages now that are like, you wrote
(04:23):
this thing and then you sung it and it really
resonated with me. That's more important to me that you know,
there's never enough money or whatever. It's more like what
you did actually matter to somebody.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Right, It actually resonates with the soul of another human being.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
That's why we need it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I guess it's impossible to replicate, and that's what music means,
you know, it makes you do that obviously very powerful.
What's your music is? I mean, there's a lot of
deepness and thought and at times darkness and at times
light and Devilwar's pot of music. Is that something that
you guys really hang your hat on or is it
(05:02):
just sort of what naturally comes out?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I think just over time your process changes and stuff.
Like I think when we sorry, when we were younger,
we were a lot more fixated on expressing, like like
I need you to hear how I feel. And now
the focus on probably the last like five or six
(05:27):
years has been how can I be like vulnerable and
honest about something that maybe I don't really like to
talk about in the real world, whether it's like anxiety
or depression or drinking or this and that and the other.
It's like, I find that the more honest and vulnerable
we are being Mike and myself, then the more resonant
(05:49):
it is with people, and the more they say, like,
I feel like you wrote that song like just for me,
and that is easier than trying to write something like
trite or you know, try sound too intellectual. I mean,
it's hard to write songs in general, but like it's
it's it feels easier when you're just talking in the
room and you're like, hey, this is what I feel
(06:11):
like right now. You know, I've been going for a month,
I missed my partner or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
You know, is it Do you find it easier or
obviously it's probably all you really know? Right For the
Devilwarre's product to write melodies, write lyrics specifically with someone else.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I kind of liked doing that. We wrote this song
with a couple of friends, Like we spent most of
our career just like in a little room writing stuff
together or writing it alone on your laptop. But I
like I kind of before doing songwriting processes and stuff
like that, I kind of thought you were just going
(06:50):
and buying a song from somebody. I didn't really understand
the process. And that's not rare.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You can't do that. No, that's not authentic.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
It's like working with the producer kind of like you
write all these things, you know, you're just cooking over
like a little demo you've made or something, and then
they're like did you mean this, and you're like, yeah,
that's actually the thought I was trying to say, like
a conversation at a bar or something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Right, So, it really helps kind of bring those ideas
out and catch the things that maybe you wouldn't have
if you were in that little bubble by yourself exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
And I'm I'm just like a huge collaboration fan in general.
I'm in so many like group chats and text messages
with like all of the people that play not just
in our scene, but in a bunch of other scenes.
And I think I don't think people realize how much
behind the scenes, like people are just like talking to
each other and be like, hey, when you guys did that,
(07:47):
what was that? Or you know, how was this show?
Or like, hey, you work with this producer, what was
that like?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And stuff?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So I like, I feel like other genres are just
a lot better about in like collaboration in and features
and stuff, and so I've been trying to do more
of that. It should be a collective, not like some
private thing you keep to yourself.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
That seemingly has come out a lot recently. There's a
lot more of it in our world. A lot more
of it in our world.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
It's weird, man, But I feel like people are just
more honest about it now. I've known about people work
with other people for a long time.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I remember the one I always heard about as a kid.
And I'm in my forties now, so like, as a kid,
Metallica was my band, you know, and then I fell
in love with sort of the bubble around it, so
you know, bands like Corrosion and Conformity and obviously all
the thrash metal stuff and Clutch and whatever. I remember
there was always this when when Coec released wise Blood,
(08:51):
it was like, oh, there's a song that has James
Hetfield for Metallica on it, but the record label wouldn't
let him say it, so he's.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Just on it.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You got to listen for it. You don't even know
what song whoa And it gave you a reason to
go buy the CD and you're studying it, you know,
listening for it. So yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe it
is just more honesty.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Now, yeah, the lore is probably more fun. I mean
I kind of projected myself. I'm a pretty crazy, wild
party guy in general, but I do definitely project myself
more that way. And then I go home and I'm
just kind of more of a normal person. But you know,
(09:31):
you got to have some fun out there.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
With absolutely, you do, absolutely, you do all right? To
go back and then to the song for you, because
this is the new single and this is another you know,
sort of melodic, a lot of open spaces, a lot
of stuff you can sing along to, which always wasn't
the case for Devilware's Prada what you know, Ritual what
(09:54):
a year or two ago kind of knocked down some
of those doors too. You guys got on radio and
you know all that that stuff is that sort of
the realm you're going to on purpose or again natural
progression just out of curiosity.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I mean, it's kind of hard to say. I guess, like,
you know, we have such an extensive back catalog and
we have so many like old songs that are so
heavy and aggressive and everything like that, and we still
play them all the time. You know, we just played
like the first song I ever wrote with product like
at Snic Temple and it went crazy. But it's like
(10:31):
there's just so many other people doing that in other
capacities now, like Knock Loose and Kublai Khan and a
lot of guys like this where I'm like they have
such a handle on that and it feels novel and
fresh that I'm like, this just feels more like the
stories we want to tell musically also like it just
but that's not I mean, there's we we have we
(10:53):
haven't really said anything about it, but we have like
an album that we have pretty much finished that's going
to come out later this year, and so like there's
a lot of heavy stuff on there too. Sometimes I
just think I like putting out songs like this because
it riles people up and like, oh, this is how
you are now and everything. I love it. I like
(11:15):
to be hated on. Like my band is called the
Devilorest Front. I've been made fun of my whole life,
so I welcome it.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, were you guys just big fans of that movie
or what kidding? I am a big fan of that movie,
to be honestly, I think it's good. That's a good bang,
not at all. Okay, you said there's a new album
later this year. I don't think that's public knowledge, so
I won't ask too much about it other than you know,
(11:45):
when you are a banned for twenty years, when you
do have sort of that much back catalog where you
can go on stage in front of you know, song
temple twenty thirty thousand people play something you wrote when
you're eighteen years old and also play something you wrote
when you're thirty five years old. How do you sort
of manage that all those different I don't know sprockets
(12:07):
going on in your brain as far as where to
go at something when it comes to, you know, putting
together an album or music in general.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Really, I think it's like you just have to follow
that weird feeling of excitement that you get when, like
I write so many songs. We as a band write
so many songs and we don't end up using a
lot of them, and certain ones just have that like
umps to it. You know it's special. And so I
(12:35):
can think about the times in our career where things
dip down a little bit. I knew instinctually like this
isn't right, It's not exactly how I would want to
do it, and I wish I had chased that feeling more.
But it's more about just doing that and like not
listening to your team if they're like you need to
put something out right now. It's like, we took like
(12:56):
three years to make this new album just because I'm like,
I want to wait until all the pieces are correct
and it actually matters and can have like an impact
because that was that was our excitement being in a
band twenty years ago. Was like we just wanted to
make something new that no one had heard before. And
it's hard to do that over and over, but I
(13:17):
feel like we finally have the space to be able
to do it again.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Y shuld take three years to make an album? I mean,
that seems like a long time for a period of music.
But again, you know, I don't know if I was
reading an interview with you or with Michael, And I'm
sorry because this is coming out of my memory bank
from I think shortly after that song had come out,
so a year or two ago, and uh, you know,
(13:41):
talking about the fact that there will be within the
next year or so, you know, a new record and
now here's our first taste of it and for you,
but that does seem like a long time to work on.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
We've just been on the road so much, man, And
like we literally are on tour for like seven or
eight months out of the year, and we've just been
hitting out hard, like here and in Europe and Australia
and stuff like that. So it's like trying to balance
Like basically every time we would get home from a tour,
we go out to LA and work on a bunch
(14:16):
of music, and then I'm like, well, I need to
go home for like two or three weeks and like
hang out with my fiance and my cat and stuff,
because like we've been gone so much and I want
to take a vacation. So it sounds like a long time,
but it's like it probably only was like four or
five months, just spread out over three years.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, I suppose when you're continuously out on the road,
and that's the one thing you guys do, I mean,
you are always out on the road. There's always devil
Wears pot of tour days, whether it's headlining in clubs
or opening, you know, big shows.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, I was thinking about that when you were like
haw was sonic tempos. Think about all these pitches I
was getting during the pandemic that we're like, oh, this
is going to be the new medium. Everybody's going to
be streaming their concerts and doing all this and everything,
And I was just thinking about that.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I remember that same pitch man.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I was like, there, unfortunately, there is no replacement. I
was watching Lincoln Park and everybody, I'm like, there is
nothing better than this. There's no way to replicate it.
You just have to go watch people play. There's something
about seeing them do it in front of you that
makes it so cool.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Well, it's I went and saw that Papa Roach tour
a few weeks ago, and I've seen them listen. Man,
I got an ad to rock radio in the year
two thousand, the same year Last Resort became a hit.
I've literally watched that band grow up, and we've grown
up together, you know, in a lot of ways, and
(15:47):
they've played anniversary shows for my radio stations. We've done
a million and a half things together. So the point
is I've seen that band a thousand times, but going
and watching them with my kids who are teenagers and
hearing the same songs still get that same bone chilling like,
oh my god, I forgot how good this is because
when you hear it live, it's just a whole different take.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
It depends on the band too, and Jacoby is probably
the best front person in the world. I've never seen
somebody worn on your crowd better than him. It's the best.
Like and that is that thing where it's like when
you can tell a band just cares so much they've
spent their whole day waiting for that moment. They're not
(16:31):
just waiting to get off stage and go to bed
or whatever. It's like they literally came here to do
that and they're doing it all the way.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
It's the best, right, Well that's the point of live
music though.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's like, and I remember that during the pandemic because
we were doing stream concerts ourselves and we were doing
you know, friends like you know, Danny Worsknop doing an
acoustic set on a live stream on our channel, you know,
things like that, or Zach Myners shine Down and is cool.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
But it's not.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
It's just not the same. I'm like, I'm sitting here
watching it right my basement where I am right now. Yeah,
all right, well what's on my phone? Oh yeah, that's cool,
so you know, yeah, yeah, it's not the same at all.
In between playing these festivals, there are other tour dates.
Book are you guys do? And I mean, what are
(17:17):
you guys trying to do kind of throughout the summer
and all that here to look forward.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
We're on this Summer of Loud festival. It's like the
first year that it's happening. So it's bear Tooth, I Prevail,
Parkway Drive, kill Switch, Engage, us Amity Affliction and Alpha
Wolf and some other bunds.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's cross my heart. I forgot that you guys are
on that tour. Yeah literally, I literally said to my
wife the other day. I'm like, Okay, I know we
don't go to a lot of concerts anymore, and that's fine,
teenagers who are into music and there's just a lot
of stuff going, a lot of charity stuff we do
because she's in TV, and like, what we have to
(17:59):
go to that. If we're not going to see Parkway
Drive and kill Switch engaged in bear Tooth and I
Prevail and all these bands blow stuff up at a
baseball stadium, I'm not going to have a good summer.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah literally. And I'm just excited for the hang too. Man.
I know every band on the thing and that's so rare.
So I'm just like it's going to be crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
What an incredible package.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I mean, people too, No no attitudes on that stage, what.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I like, No, not at all. And again it's I
could say I'm going to the kill Switch show and
you're like, okay. I could say I'm going to the
Bear Tooth show and it's okay. I can say I'm
going to the Parkways. You know what I mean, and
it's it's like every band's a headliner.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, it's gonna be awesome. Hopefully I get to like
shoot off a Piro one day or something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Can you just light Parkway's drum kit on fire for
them and then spin?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, I'll see if I come out with you up.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
That's awesome. How lot of us said, do you guys
get on that? Because that's a lot of music, and
that's a lot of bands.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I have no idea. Maybe half an hour, forty minutes
something like that. I think most of the headliners are
doing like just under an hour or something like that.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Okay, so walk me through this process then picking out
the songs to play.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Brother, that is what I'm thinking every moment of every
day right now. I have no idea. I have no
idea what I'm going to do.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Okay, well, fair enough. Then it will be a surprise
for all new devil Is product album coming later this year.
So we've heard, we'll let it. We'll let that one
up for the rumor banks and tell it's true, which
it will be a new song for you is obviously
out of course the summer allowed to or yeah, kicking off.
(19:50):
Was that a month?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
No, yeah, June is twenty six at the.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
End of June. Okay, that's I couldn't remember. I think
we have it mid July, I want to say. But
either way, awesome, dude. I can't wait to see that
show and I can't wait to see the continued success
for the Devilwaar's product.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Thank you so much, man, I appreciate that. We'll hang
out and what's counting, man?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Oh yeah, we will rock cast. Don't forget to tune
in exactly
Attention please and no it cutters rock cast man. Hey,
how you doing my lovely Knoxville Hotel studio?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Knoxville Hotel Studio. Yeah, the uh yeah, all the mobile
units set up in a hotel room.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yeah. Now I'm just on my AirPods.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Gotcha. I like it? No, I like that better. I
think the way you said it was much better.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, eloquent, very neat.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
This is awesome. Get to catch you guys in between
what Sonic Temple and welcome to Rockville.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah exactly. We've We've been out for like a month
or so, just kicking around Middle America and all that.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
So it's the place to be, especially for those giant
rock and roll music festivals.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Amen to that.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Absolutely, jurn me from the Devil Waters product joining us, dude,
Thank you for taking some time man and chatting. I
appreciate it a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Absolutely, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Of course, how was on a temple this year? It's
been a few years since I've been there, so let
me live it through the eyes of you.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It was amazing, and honestly, I'm from Dayton, Ohio, so
I kind of grew up in the area, so it
was like a bit of a homecoming, but our show
is huge and awesome. I saw a bunch of friends,
I prevailed guys and Fleet from Within Silverstein and a
bunch of stuff like that. And then one of the
(01:29):
guys from of Mice and Men was like, Yo, you
want to watch Lincoln Park on stage? And I was
like yeah, So I went and did that.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yes, I do. What do you think of Emily Awesome?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Phenomenal? I mean, I like Chester was like my hero
growing up, and I got to sing with them at
Warp Tour like probably ten years ago and meet him
and Mike and they were so cool and so just
seeing her step into that role, she killed it. It
was awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
That's amazing. Welcome to Rockville is up next, obviously for
the giant Festival thing, not quite the hometown show, but
equally as gigantic.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah. I love Florida. Also, I'm one of those weird
people that just like maybe because I'm trashy and like
to party and go to the beach and stuff, but.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, I thought it was only meth heads and retirees.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, my parents do live down there there.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
You go exactly as all our Midwest parents tend to go.
We're going to Florida. I remember my parents decided they're
going to a couple of summers ago. They're like, we're
just going to be in Florida for the next two months. Like, oh,
you're that age.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay, you got snow burning if you.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Will exactly, Well, the winter's here. I'm from Wisconsin, so
it's uh, didn't get nasty.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, I lived in Chicago for a while, so I'm familiar.
That's why I moved to the South. I was like,
I'm not doing all the snow man's too much.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I get it. I get it. For You is a
new single from the band The Devilwaar's Product and I
want to talk about this song because The Devilwaar is proda.
You know when you guys launched in two thousand and five,
Is that right? Are we on twenty years of Devilwars product?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah? Twenty years this year?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Damn damn, Like we're old. Yeah. Old. Well when you
start the band when you're twelve, it's fine, it's true. Actually, now,
before we get into for you, reflect on that. Twenty
years of a bad mean, that's a big number to cross.
To be in a band for twenty years, let alone
a successful one At that.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah. I mean, it's it's been amazing. First of all,
it's been epic. You know, I'm just a kid from
a little small country town outside of Dayton, so like,
you know, my family had never even been to California.
We just like went to Florida and Myrtle Beach and stuff.
And now we've been able to like travel the world
and meet people that means something too, which I think
(04:01):
is the most important thing. I was talking about Lincoln
Park a little bit ago, and like those songs like
helped me so much when I was like a kid,
you know, just trying to figure out how the world is.
And so I guess what twenty years means for me
is that it's just cool that I can like meet
people of all ages now that are like, you wrote
(04:23):
this thing and then you sung it and it really
resonated with me. That's more important to me that you know,
there's never enough money or whatever. It's more like what
you did actually matter to somebody.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Right, It actually resonates with the soul of another human being.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
That's why we need it.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I guess it's impossible to replicate, and that's what music means,
you know, it makes you do that obviously very powerful.
What's your music is? I mean, there's a lot of
deepness and thought and at times darkness and at times
light and Devilwar's pot of music. Is that something that
you guys really hang your hat on or is it
(05:02):
just sort of what naturally comes out?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I think just over time your process changes and stuff.
Like I think when we sorry, when we were younger,
we were a lot more fixated on expressing, like like
I need you to hear how I feel. And now
the focus on probably the last like five or six
(05:27):
years has been how can I be like vulnerable and
honest about something that maybe I don't really like to
talk about in the real world, whether it's like anxiety
or depression or drinking or this and that and the other.
It's like, I find that the more honest and vulnerable
we are being Mike and myself, then the more resonant
(05:49):
it is with people, and the more they say, like,
I feel like you wrote that song like just for me,
and that is easier than trying to write something like
trite or you know, try sound too intellectual. I mean,
it's hard to write songs in general, but like it's
it's it feels easier when you're just talking in the
room and you're like, hey, this is what I feel
(06:11):
like right now. You know, I've been going for a month,
I missed my partner or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
You know, is it Do you find it easier or
obviously it's probably all you really know? Right For the
Devilwarre's product to write melodies, write lyrics specifically with someone else.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I kind of liked doing that. We wrote this song
with a couple of friends, Like we spent most of
our career just like in a little room writing stuff
together or writing it alone on your laptop. But I
like I kind of before doing songwriting processes and stuff
like that, I kind of thought you were just going
(06:50):
and buying a song from somebody. I didn't really understand
the process. And that's not rare.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
You can't do that. No, that's not authentic.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
It's like working with the producer kind of like you
write all these things, you know, you're just cooking over
like a little demo you've made or something, and then
they're like did you mean this, and you're like, yeah,
that's actually the thought I was trying to say, like
a conversation at a bar or something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Right, So, it really helps kind of bring those ideas
out and catch the things that maybe you wouldn't have
if you were in that little bubble by yourself exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
And I'm I'm just like a huge collaboration fan in general.
I'm in so many like group chats and text messages
with like all of the people that play not just
in our scene, but in a bunch of other scenes.
And I think I don't think people realize how much
behind the scenes, like people are just like talking to
each other and be like, hey, when you guys did that,
(07:47):
what was that? Or you know, how was this show?
Or like, hey, you work with this producer, what was
that like?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And stuff?
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So I like, I feel like other genres are just
a lot better about in like collaboration in and features
and stuff, and so I've been trying to do more
of that. It should be a collective, not like some
private thing you keep to yourself.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
That seemingly has come out a lot recently. There's a
lot more of it in our world. A lot more
of it in our world.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
It's weird, man, But I feel like people are just
more honest about it now. I've known about people work
with other people for a long time.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I remember the one I always heard about as a kid.
And I'm in my forties now, so like, as a kid,
Metallica was my band, you know, and then I fell
in love with sort of the bubble around it, so
you know, bands like Corrosion and Conformity and obviously all
the thrash metal stuff and Clutch and whatever. I remember
there was always this when when Coec released wise Blood,
(08:51):
it was like, oh, there's a song that has James
Hetfield for Metallica on it, but the record label wouldn't
let him say it, so he's.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Just on it.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You got to listen for it. You don't even know
what song whoa And it gave you a reason to
go buy the CD and you're studying it, you know,
listening for it. So yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe it
is just more honesty.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Now, yeah, the lore is probably more fun. I mean
I kind of projected myself. I'm a pretty crazy, wild
party guy in general, but I do definitely project myself
more that way. And then I go home and I'm
just kind of more of a normal person. But you know,
(09:31):
you got to have some fun out there.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
With absolutely, you do, absolutely, you do all right? To
go back and then to the song for you, because
this is the new single and this is another you know,
sort of melodic, a lot of open spaces, a lot
of stuff you can sing along to, which always wasn't
the case for Devilware's Prada what you know, Ritual what
(09:54):
a year or two ago kind of knocked down some
of those doors too. You guys got on radio and
you know all that that stuff is that sort of
the realm you're going to on purpose or again natural
progression just out of curiosity.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I mean, it's kind of hard to say. I guess, like,
you know, we have such an extensive back catalog and
we have so many like old songs that are so
heavy and aggressive and everything like that, and we still
play them all the time. You know, we just played
like the first song I ever wrote with product like
at Snic Temple and it went crazy. But it's like
(10:31):
there's just so many other people doing that in other
capacities now, like Knock Loose and Kublai Khan and a
lot of guys like this where I'm like they have
such a handle on that and it feels novel and
fresh that I'm like, this just feels more like the
stories we want to tell musically also like it just
but that's not I mean, there's we we have we
(10:53):
haven't really said anything about it, but we have like
an album that we have pretty much finished that's going
to come out later this year, and so like there's
a lot of heavy stuff on there too. Sometimes I
just think I like putting out songs like this because
it riles people up and like, oh, this is how
you are now and everything. I love it. I like
(11:15):
to be hated on. Like my band is called the
Devilorest Front. I've been made fun of my whole life,
so I welcome it.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, were you guys just big fans of that movie
or what kidding? I am a big fan of that movie,
to be honestly, I think it's good. That's a good bang,
not at all. Okay, you said there's a new album
later this year. I don't think that's public knowledge, so
I won't ask too much about it other than you know,
(11:45):
when you are a banned for twenty years, when you
do have sort of that much back catalog where you
can go on stage in front of you know, song
temple twenty thirty thousand people play something you wrote when
you're eighteen years old and also play something you wrote
when you're thirty five years old. How do you sort
of manage that all those different I don't know sprockets
(12:07):
going on in your brain as far as where to
go at something when it comes to, you know, putting
together an album or music in general.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Really, I think it's like you just have to follow
that weird feeling of excitement that you get when, like
I write so many songs. We as a band write
so many songs and we don't end up using a
lot of them, and certain ones just have that like
umps to it. You know it's special. And so I
(12:35):
can think about the times in our career where things
dip down a little bit. I knew instinctually like this
isn't right, It's not exactly how I would want to
do it, and I wish I had chased that feeling more.
But it's more about just doing that and like not
listening to your team if they're like you need to
put something out right now. It's like, we took like
(12:56):
three years to make this new album just because I'm like,
I want to wait until all the pieces are correct
and it actually matters and can have like an impact
because that was that was our excitement being in a
band twenty years ago. Was like we just wanted to
make something new that no one had heard before. And
it's hard to do that over and over, but I
(13:17):
feel like we finally have the space to be able
to do it again.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Y shuld take three years to make an album? I mean,
that seems like a long time for a period of music.
But again, you know, I don't know if I was
reading an interview with you or with Michael, And I'm
sorry because this is coming out of my memory bank
from I think shortly after that song had come out,
so a year or two ago, and uh, you know,
(13:41):
talking about the fact that there will be within the
next year or so, you know, a new record and
now here's our first taste of it and for you,
but that does seem like a long time to work on.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
We've just been on the road so much, man, And
like we literally are on tour for like seven or
eight months out of the year, and we've just been
hitting out hard, like here and in Europe and Australia
and stuff like that. So it's like trying to balance
Like basically every time we would get home from a tour,
we go out to LA and work on a bunch
(14:16):
of music, and then I'm like, well, I need to
go home for like two or three weeks and like
hang out with my fiance and my cat and stuff,
because like we've been gone so much and I want
to take a vacation. So it sounds like a long time,
but it's like it probably only was like four or
five months, just spread out over three years.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, I suppose when you're continuously out on the road,
and that's the one thing you guys do, I mean,
you are always out on the road. There's always devil
Wears pot of tour days, whether it's headlining in clubs
or opening, you know, big shows.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, I was thinking about that when you were like
haw was sonic tempos. Think about all these pitches I
was getting during the pandemic that we're like, oh, this
is going to be the new medium. Everybody's going to
be streaming their concerts and doing all this and everything,
And I was just thinking about that.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I remember that same pitch man.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I was like, there, unfortunately, there is no replacement. I
was watching Lincoln Park and everybody, I'm like, there is
nothing better than this. There's no way to replicate it.
You just have to go watch people play. There's something
about seeing them do it in front of you that
makes it so cool.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Well, it's I went and saw that Papa Roach tour
a few weeks ago, and I've seen them listen. Man,
I got an ad to rock radio in the year
two thousand, the same year Last Resort became a hit.
I've literally watched that band grow up, and we've grown
up together, you know, in a lot of ways, and
(15:47):
they've played anniversary shows for my radio stations. We've done
a million and a half things together. So the point
is I've seen that band a thousand times, but going
and watching them with my kids who are teenagers and
hearing the same songs still get that same bone chilling like,
oh my god, I forgot how good this is because
when you hear it live, it's just a whole different take.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
It depends on the band too, and Jacoby is probably
the best front person in the world. I've never seen
somebody worn on your crowd better than him. It's the best.
Like and that is that thing where it's like when
you can tell a band just cares so much they've
spent their whole day waiting for that moment. They're not
(16:31):
just waiting to get off stage and go to bed
or whatever. It's like they literally came here to do
that and they're doing it all the way.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
It's the best, right, Well that's the point of live
music though.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's like, and I remember that during the pandemic because
we were doing stream concerts ourselves and we were doing
you know, friends like you know, Danny Worsknop doing an
acoustic set on a live stream on our channel, you know,
things like that, or Zach Myners shine Down and is cool.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
But it's not.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
It's just not the same. I'm like, I'm sitting here
watching it right my basement where I am right now. Yeah,
all right, well what's on my phone? Oh yeah, that's cool,
so you know, yeah, yeah, it's not the same at all.
In between playing these festivals, there are other tour dates.
Book are you guys do? And I mean, what are
(17:17):
you guys trying to do kind of throughout the summer
and all that here to look forward.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
We're on this Summer of Loud festival. It's like the
first year that it's happening. So it's bear Tooth, I Prevail,
Parkway Drive, kill Switch, Engage, us Amity Affliction and Alpha
Wolf and some other bunds.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's cross my heart. I forgot that you guys are
on that tour. Yeah literally, I literally said to my
wife the other day. I'm like, Okay, I know we
don't go to a lot of concerts anymore, and that's fine,
teenagers who are into music and there's just a lot
of stuff going, a lot of charity stuff we do
because she's in TV, and like, what we have to
(17:59):
go to that. If we're not going to see Parkway
Drive and kill Switch engaged in bear Tooth and I
Prevail and all these bands blow stuff up at a
baseball stadium, I'm not going to have a good summer.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Yeah literally. And I'm just excited for the hang too. Man.
I know every band on the thing and that's so rare.
So I'm just like it's going to be crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
What an incredible package.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I mean, people too, No no attitudes on that stage, what.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I like, No, not at all. And again it's I
could say I'm going to the kill Switch show and
you're like, okay. I could say I'm going to the
Bear Tooth show and it's okay. I can say I'm
going to the Parkways. You know what I mean, and
it's it's like every band's a headliner.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, it's gonna be awesome. Hopefully I get to like
shoot off a Piro one day or something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Can you just light Parkway's drum kit on fire for
them and then spin?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, I'll see if I come out with you up.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
That's awesome. How lot of us said, do you guys
get on that? Because that's a lot of music, and
that's a lot of bands.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I have no idea. Maybe half an hour, forty minutes
something like that. I think most of the headliners are
doing like just under an hour or something like that.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Okay, so walk me through this process then picking out
the songs to play.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Brother, that is what I'm thinking every moment of every
day right now. I have no idea. I have no
idea what I'm going to do.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Okay, well, fair enough. Then it will be a surprise
for all new devil Is product album coming later this year.
So we've heard, we'll let it. We'll let that one
up for the rumor banks and tell it's true, which
it will be a new song for you is obviously
out of course the summer allowed to or yeah, kicking off.
(19:50):
Was that a month?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
No, yeah, June is twenty six at the.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
End of June. Okay, that's I couldn't remember. I think
we have it mid July, I want to say. But
either way, awesome, dude. I can't wait to see that
show and I can't wait to see the continued success
for the Devilwaar's product.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Thank you so much, man, I appreciate that. We'll hang
out and what's counting, man?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Oh yeah, we will rock cast. Don't forget to tune
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