May 29, 2025 • 17 mins
Over the past decade, it's been the band Badflower to take a torch once carried by bands like My Chemical Romance and carry it into the realms of modern rock. Lead singer Josh Katz wears his heart on his sleeve with lyrics that resonate with anyone, no matter what they might be going through. That has never been more evident than on their latest single, "Paws," all about the possibility of losing his dog and best friend. That song, along with the previous single "Detroit," will be on Badflower's third full-length album, There Is No Place Like Home, due out on June 20th.
Josh and I have had some deep conversations in the past, and has their manager reminded me, "you two gab like two old Grandmas," well, this conversation gets into some real-life stuff.
Josh and I have had some deep conversations in the past, and has their manager reminded me, "you two gab like two old Grandmas," well, this conversation gets into some real-life stuff.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Attention please and no it cutters rock cast. Hey wow,
nice beard, sir, been working on it. I can tell
even working hard on that.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I cut off the long hair. So now it's thanks.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
A whole new person, congrats.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, well you know that got married and what I did.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, god damn, I know. Truly a whole new person.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Nice job, truly a whole new person. Yeah. And here,
you know, here I thought, Josh, i'd get you on
a zoom. We'd talk about new bad flower music, we
talk about how you know, after listening to London, I'm like, oh,
Josh Katz is in love. Listen to this and I'm like, oh,
I can relate to that because me too, and how
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nice it is. Then two weeks ago my dog got
sick and I heard pause and went son of a bitch, Josh,
cats made me cry again because you do that. Yeah
she's fine, by the way, but that still man, that hit.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, well I'm glad she's fine. Great, Yeah, great news.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
How old is your dog?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
She is dead? Now shit, I'm sorry, No, no, that's okay.
It happened.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Like I was just gonna say that, I had to
be It just happened. Yeah, damn, man, I'm sorry. Yeah,
thank you, You're welcome. But I mean, like I was
anticipating this for a while. Obviously, I wrote the song
months ago. I knew it was coming.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
She was sick, she was dealing with a lot of
health problems, and honestly, like every every other week was like.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Oh, this is this is it.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
For sure, I'm going to take her to the vet
this time and they're going to be like there's nothing
we can do and she's just gonna be miserable and
we've got to put her down. But then every time
I took her to the bet, it was always like, well,
we put her on a round to this or whatever,
we tried this, and she's like a puppy now and
she's running around and happy, and I'm like, okay, well
maybe we have some life left.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So there's just like this constant cycle with her.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
And then eventually finally hit the wall where it's like this,
this is it and they yeah, they found.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Some inoperable.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Stuff on our insides that I guess they had they
weren't able to see before and then finally were and
it kind of explained everything that was happening, and yeah,
how it.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Goes, I do unfortunately put damn oh again, I'm sorry
for your loss. That's a hard one.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Our animals stick with us for a long, long, long,
long time. Yeah, it's never easy, but that okay. So
this song and this is this is kind of where
I was headed towards in mentioning that, because you've always
had a way, Josh with putting lyrics together that make
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you feel like that song was written literally for you.
No matter you know what you're going through in life
or what's happening, you just have a way about doing that.
Thank you, You're welcome. And that was another one. So Pause,
which is gonna be on a new record called No
Place Like Home.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, you know, it's weird though, now that my dog
actually died, I wish I would have I wish I
could redo that song. Yeah, I don't think it was
intense enough. I think there's like subtleties that I missed.
For example, I also not only did I lose my dog,
I lost nicotine.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I recently quit smoking smoking the vapes.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I quit smoking cigarettes forever ago, but I went straight
to the vape and so I never quit smoking nicotine.
In general, I've been addicted to the ship for way
more than half my life, and I finally got off
of it. And I realized that losing a friend, whether
it be a pet or a person, is very similar
to quitting It is like quitting a nicotine or any
kind of addiction.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
It's like the same. You have the same sort of triggers, where.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Like quitting smoking, every time I got up and like
left the room, I would be I would reach for
my vape, like where's my vape?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Because every time I get up, I'm I'm used to vaping.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
And so there's all these little triggers that you have
to get past, like I'm used to it. Every time
I sit down in the car, where's my vape? And
I gotta get past that. I got to remember that
I can. I can drive a car. I don't need
to vape while I drive a car, I don't need
to VAPEI I did this, and the same thing was
happening with my dog, Like all of these things would happen.
I'd reach for the remote to change the channel, and
normally my dog would be at my feet and I
would see her and give and like these things that
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I had to I had to say the same thing,
like I can it's okay to change the channel and
not pet my dog. It's okay to I just like
remind myself that it's okay to do these certain things
without her there or without interacting with her in some
way or seeing her in some ways. Like I couldn't
believe how similar these two things were, like getting over
an addiction and getting over a pet or a person.
(04:39):
So I, yeah, I wish I kind of like part
of me is like I wish I could rewrite that
song and figure out how.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
To incorporate that, or maybe it's for another song I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Know, part two pause, part two, yeah, or literally change
it to addiction. How'd you do it? Because I I
and forth on that for years.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
It was so weird.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Well, I've been struggling with my voice for the last
few years, and vaping is like the last thing that
I refused. I just refuse to believe could be affecting me.
I'm like no, because I know how cigarettes were affected me,
and when I quit that, I sang so much better
and it couldn't possibly the vape whatever. And for years
I've been telling myself this, but if I don't quit,
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I'll never know. And my voice keeps degrading and degrading
and degrading, and I can't figure it out.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And so we had a show.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It's been about three weeks now, so we had to
show three weeks ago, and I'm sitting in the green
room and I'm.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Literally playing rocket Leak.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I'm like, like, I have my vape sitting on my
chest like this and I'm playing Rocket League and I'm good.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Sometimes I just like will.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Mess around with my voice, like la da da, I'll
just make noise just to see where it's at that morning,
and I'm like and I realized it was bad, and
I was like, this show is going to be bad.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I'm gonna sing bad. This sucks.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
And I'm just looking at this vape while playing Rocket
League and I just went, what if I stopped hitting
this thing forever?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And I just put it down and that was it.
I didn't I didn't plan it, I didn't think about it.
I just went, what if I just stopped?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
And then I was a real asshole for that show
on stage and I talked about it the entire time,
and then the next show we did, I still held
strong and I didn't hit it. In my head, I
was like, there's no way I'm gonna make it. But
then after like three or four days went by, I
was like, I think I did. I think I did
the hard part. I think I'm done. And then I
actually threw away the bapes. And now it's been three weeks,
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and every now and again I get a little h
but I have mints.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I'll just suck on a mint like an altoyd or something,
and I'm good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
So it's actually honestly disappointingly easy, especially you know, quitting vaping.
Days later, my dog dies, I have all kinds of
other issues happening in my personal life, like terrible, terrible things,
and I'm like, this is this is this should be impossible,
and yet I'm disappointed at how easy.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It was, right because that's the comfort, that's where you
go something bad happens.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's maybe it's because I'm maybe it's because I'm so
close to rock bottom.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
It's like it's easier. Maybe if I wasn't, if like
everything was good in my life, it'd be harder. But
since things feel really bad right now, it's it was
really easy.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I don't know, all right, well, good time to get
out on the road. Then, I guess, because you know
that makes things easier.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
We'll see. I don't know, honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
There's all kinds of weird stuff happening in this brain
that I can't figure out.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I don't know if going on the road is going
to help or hurt.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But I think at this point I just need changes,
I need new things.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So for that reason, I'm kind of excited to be
on the road.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I think, Okay, well, you being out on the road,
Bad Flower, being out on the road right now is
a little different, and so let me see if I
can help you with this Bad Flower being on the road.
It's not just a headline tour. It's well, here's some
headline shows, you get to do some crazy stuff, and
then also here's some support slots. There's a three eleven
two happening later this year. There's three Days Great is
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happening in Europe later this year. There are some things
that varies it up a little bit. Maybe that helps.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, Well, there's actually no headline shows except for tomorrow.
We're doing a thing in Chicago making up for when
I was sick and I had to miss a show,
and then in Green Bay the next day, which I think.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I think that that's why we're playing in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Honestly, I don't know, because I know that we're playing
tomorrow in like a bar or a small bar, and.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So honestly I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I just look at the schedule and I'm like, just
I'll be there, I'll be on the stage.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Are you that kind of person who just like you know,
like ahead of time, you don't go through it, you
just kind of go with the flow. Yes, when it
comes to touring.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I don't look when I because when I look at
the schedule, especially when it's like a lot, it stresses
me out. Like when my keeps scrolling and I see
all these dates, I'm like, that's too much, too much,
too much, too much. So I have to not look
at it. And I honestly half the time, I don't
know what city I'm in. If the city name is
not written on the set list, I will fuck it up.
And it happens all the time. I'm like, what up Milwaukee,
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and they're like, we're in Denver.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Idiot. Fuck all the time.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
As long as when you're in Green Bay, which of
course is my hometown, just don't say you're in Chicago
and you'll be okay.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
In Green Bay?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Are you going to be in Green Bay?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I'm debate, honestly, I remember that that show was happening
about twenty minutes ago. So because I'm not on our
active rock station anymore regularly, so I'm not constantly thinking
about it because I do a morning I do a
morning show, so it's all dick jokes and fart jokes.
Can't forget the fart jokes. But uh yeah, So I
kind of I'm like, oh crap, because I literally said
(09:25):
to my wife the other day, I'm like, well, bad Flower,
I gotta go see bad Flower. Always go see bad Flower.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, please come.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
So I don't as of this point anything going on,
so I think maybe we'll show up great. Maybe, but
I can't guarantee you. Here's the problem, Josh, and this
is old man. This is old man syndrome. I wake
up at three o'clock in the morning, so by the
time you go on stage, I want to be in
bed so bad.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, So Yah'll see.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I mean, look sancy, I'm not waiting to have it three,
but I do go to bed. Actually, that's another thing
that happened with the baything. Holy shit, I'm sleeping.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Wait are you sleeping?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Holy shit? I thought I had insomnia my whole life,
and I do. I do to a degree.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I have the add so I'm always like, yeah, wired,
But I didn't realize how much vaping was keeping me awake.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I think for a couple reasons.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
One, I'm up vaping in bed trying to sleep, but
then it's like a stimulant, so like that it adds
time to my awakeness, right, And then I think, while
I'm asleep, I'm craving the vape so my body will
wake my brain will wake my body up and be
like you need to hit mm.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
All that I'm sleeping, like ten to twelve hours, I'm
falling asleep.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I used to see other people fall.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Asleep, like watching a movie, like sitting up like this
and just see this thing and doze off, And I'm like,
you're fucking lying. You're faking that. There's no way anyone
can fall asleep like that, Like I used to see
my dad do it and other people in my family,
like just do that doze off thing where you're in
the middle watching.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Something like there's there's you're lying there's no way I'm
doing that now. The last couple of weeks I'm like, oh,
this is what this feels like. I could just knock
out right here. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's pretty cool. You're answering the world's questions right now. Yeah,
be a scientist, social scientist. Josh Katz MD, Yes, go
get your masters. Let's talk about the album though.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Man.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
We could sit and riff on this stuff all day,
because I know you got other of these to do,
and obviously shows to play. No Place like Home third
full length Bad Flower album. Obviously there's other stuff that's
been out. There's a a few songs out on this album.
Last time we talked, I literally asked, so Detroit, could
it be part of a new record? And you go,
(11:38):
maybe it is. What can you tell us about it? Man?
I mean give us your overview now you know now
that it's done.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
If I have to, I have to be honest with you.
I hate it right now. See hard to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I do this crazy back and forth thing where sometimes
I really and I'm like, this is the greatest thing
I've ever done, that the band's ever done. This is
going to like, you know, catapult our careers, and then
other times I'm like, I just made the biggest, like, however,
many year mistake of my life, putting all this effort
into this thing that I don't think is right. So
right now and for an uncomfortably amount of long amount
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of time, I've been in this h I hate everything
and I want to burn it all down phase.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So so yeah, I don't know. It could be good.
I don't know. Like I think.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I'm in this weird, depressing state that I've been in
many times before, and I've always been able to write
about and use the power of creativity to get out
of it and to express it in such a way
that makes me able to look at it from another perspective.
But I've but I've never I'm realizing that I've never
done that with an audience. I went through most of
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that stuff pre having an audience, pre having a fan base,
pre having a career, and I sort of gathered all
that intel and then was able to kind of build
this thing.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And then once the things.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Sort of really took off, I got to coast and
not I was in a really good mood for years.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I had had a good life, and.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Now it's back and I'm in this new phase of life,
and it feels completely foreign. And it feels like all
of the tricks that I thought I had learned to
fix it and just to keep myself on track and
to keep being productive and being creative and and you know,
my fun, charming little self that I am, it's like
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none of those, none of those tricks are working anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And so I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Little imposter syndrome, Oh.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Big imposter syndrome. But that's I mean, that's always the case.
That's been that's always been the case.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's really weird.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It's really weird now, it's so weird. Like I used
to love being on social media. It's the I hate
it so much now, Like I hate it than anything now.
I don't want to be seen. I'm finely playing shows
and being seen in real life, but like, something about
this promoting yourself culture that we have now, I don't.
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I don't like it. I really believe to look at
me content like, hey, look at me.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I hate it, Josh. I really believe that there is
a fatigue with social media. Yeah, and it's hitting harder
for some of us right now, more than it ever has.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I don't know, thoughts, random thoughts, anyway, no place.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I feel like, I feel like life, life is going
through these really fast updates, like a computer update or
a phone app update. Right, like the whole the paradigm
of life and the things that we enjoy and the
way that we interact with each other, and all this
stuff really changes, like every year in the same way
that like your phone gets updated and you're like, oh,
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how come this is not in the that used to
be anymore?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
And when I click this, it's everything's different.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
It just feels like the whole infrastructure is different, right,
And you're like, put it back.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I want my old update. That's how life feels right
now where I'm like, put it back. But I like
the old way.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I was crushing it the old way, and now everything's
changing and I don't like it this way.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I can't navigate this. I kind of feel like the
old man.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
It's like, get off my Yeah, I feel like that,
And and I think I think my feeling out of
all of this is figuring out how to embrace the
old man. Well, you know, there are points when I'm
able to embrace that old man energy and continue to
create from him and love what I do. I think
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then I'll maybe I'll figure out how to beat this
whatever this thing is that I'm going through.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
But I haven't figured that out yet.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I'm still I feel like I'm still competing and I'm
still trying to use this interface that I fucking hate
and uh and.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It's so fun.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I don't know that you ever will. You have to
enjoy the ride. Yeah, suck, get up. Let me use
my motorcycle as an analogy. But that's I think there's
a lot to that anyway, this uh this right, I
did listen. The songs are that are out right now
are a little different. Each one's very different from the
other one, and I like that. And I know, you know,
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we've talked before about you know, maybe you know, taking
songs and leaving them be as a thing instead of
a whole thing as an album and all that and
all that stuff. But I'm looking forward to hearing the
rest man.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, well, there is a theme like I know you
hate it, but I probably won't. So there is some
stuff that I don't hate on this album. I think
I hate. I hate most of it. We'll leave it okay,
but there's but there's like I don't hate it because
I feel like I phoned it in or anything. I
hate it because I worked really really hard and I
tried really really hard, and I have this fear that
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I tried really hard for nothing. And that's why I
hate it right now. And I and I can't know,
I guess until it's out. And and I shouldn't even
let that affect me. I shouldn't let whether or not
the album is successful affect whether or not I feel
like I did something special. Yet here we are, and
that's exactly what I'm doing. So yeah, I gotta, I gotta,
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I gotta figure it out.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Listen, man, grab a guitar, grab a notepad, and start
writing some more.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Just yeah, that's a good.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
That's what I wish.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
If I didn't hate music so much, I would do that.
Whatever I'm not. I'm like, I'm so unbelievably serious right now.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
If I know you are little skin of music, I
would absolutely do that.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
But I hate the ship.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
No, No, you don't right now.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Just know, right now, right now, you hate.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You hate where it is currently. You don't hate the
process of it when you sir into it. Once you're
doing it, you love it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Maybe yeah, sometimes yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
All right, man, get out of here.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
We need to jump to the next interview. It was
really good to see you. I hope you come to
the show. I'd love to catch up. Caters Rock Cast
don't get to tune in exactly
Attention please and no it cutters rock cast. Hey wow,
nice beard, sir, been working on it. I can tell
even working hard on that.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I cut off the long hair. So now it's thanks.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
A whole new person, congrats.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, well you know that got married and what I did.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well, god damn, I know. Truly a whole new person.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Nice job, truly a whole new person. Yeah. And here,
you know, here I thought, Josh, i'd get you on
a zoom. We'd talk about new bad flower music, we
talk about how you know, after listening to London, I'm like, oh,
Josh Katz is in love. Listen to this and I'm like, oh,
I can relate to that because me too, and how
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nice it is. Then two weeks ago my dog got
sick and I heard pause and went son of a bitch, Josh,
cats made me cry again because you do that. Yeah
she's fine, by the way, but that still man, that hit.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yeah, well I'm glad she's fine. Great, Yeah, great news.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
How old is your dog?
Speaker 1 (01:15):
She is dead? Now shit, I'm sorry, No, no, that's okay.
It happened.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Like I was just gonna say that, I had to
be It just happened. Yeah, damn, man, I'm sorry. Yeah,
thank you, You're welcome. But I mean, like I was
anticipating this for a while. Obviously, I wrote the song
months ago. I knew it was coming.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
She was sick, she was dealing with a lot of
health problems, and honestly, like every every other week was like.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Oh, this is this is it.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
For sure, I'm going to take her to the vet
this time and they're going to be like there's nothing
we can do and she's just gonna be miserable and
we've got to put her down. But then every time
I took her to the bet, it was always like, well,
we put her on a round to this or whatever,
we tried this, and she's like a puppy now and
she's running around and happy, and I'm like, okay, well
maybe we have some life left.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
So there's just like this constant cycle with her.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
And then eventually finally hit the wall where it's like this,
this is it and they yeah, they found.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Some inoperable.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Stuff on our insides that I guess they had they
weren't able to see before and then finally were and
it kind of explained everything that was happening, and yeah,
how it.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Goes, I do unfortunately put damn oh again, I'm sorry
for your loss. That's a hard one.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Our animals stick with us for a long, long, long,
long time. Yeah, it's never easy, but that okay. So
this song and this is this is kind of where
I was headed towards in mentioning that, because you've always
had a way, Josh with putting lyrics together that make
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you feel like that song was written literally for you.
No matter you know what you're going through in life
or what's happening, you just have a way about doing that.
Thank you, You're welcome. And that was another one. So Pause,
which is gonna be on a new record called No
Place Like Home.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, you know, it's weird though, now that my dog
actually died, I wish I would have I wish I
could redo that song. Yeah, I don't think it was
intense enough. I think there's like subtleties that I missed.
For example, I also not only did I lose my dog,
I lost nicotine.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
I recently quit smoking smoking the vapes.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I quit smoking cigarettes forever ago, but I went straight
to the vape and so I never quit smoking nicotine.
In general, I've been addicted to the ship for way
more than half my life, and I finally got off
of it. And I realized that losing a friend, whether
it be a pet or a person, is very similar
to quitting It is like quitting a nicotine or any
kind of addiction.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
It's like the same. You have the same sort of triggers, where.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Like quitting smoking, every time I got up and like
left the room, I would be I would reach for
my vape, like where's my vape?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Because every time I get up, I'm I'm used to vaping.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
And so there's all these little triggers that you have
to get past, like I'm used to it. Every time
I sit down in the car, where's my vape? And
I gotta get past that. I got to remember that
I can. I can drive a car. I don't need
to vape while I drive a car, I don't need
to VAPEI I did this, and the same thing was
happening with my dog, Like all of these things would happen.
I'd reach for the remote to change the channel, and
normally my dog would be at my feet and I
would see her and give and like these things that
(04:19):
I had to I had to say the same thing,
like I can it's okay to change the channel and
not pet my dog. It's okay to I just like
remind myself that it's okay to do these certain things
without her there or without interacting with her in some
way or seeing her in some ways. Like I couldn't
believe how similar these two things were, like getting over
an addiction and getting over a pet or a person.
(04:39):
So I, yeah, I wish I kind of like part
of me is like I wish I could rewrite that
song and figure out how.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
To incorporate that, or maybe it's for another song I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Know, part two pause, part two, yeah, or literally change
it to addiction. How'd you do it? Because I I
and forth on that for years.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
It was so weird.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Well, I've been struggling with my voice for the last
few years, and vaping is like the last thing that
I refused. I just refuse to believe could be affecting me.
I'm like no, because I know how cigarettes were affected me,
and when I quit that, I sang so much better
and it couldn't possibly the vape whatever. And for years
I've been telling myself this, but if I don't quit,
(05:17):
I'll never know. And my voice keeps degrading and degrading
and degrading, and I can't figure it out.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
And so we had a show.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
It's been about three weeks now, so we had to
show three weeks ago, and I'm sitting in the green
room and I'm.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Literally playing rocket Leak.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
I'm like, like, I have my vape sitting on my
chest like this and I'm playing Rocket League and I'm good.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Sometimes I just like will.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Mess around with my voice, like la da da, I'll
just make noise just to see where it's at that morning,
and I'm like and I realized it was bad, and
I was like, this show is going to be bad.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I'm gonna sing bad. This sucks.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
And I'm just looking at this vape while playing Rocket
League and I just went, what if I stopped hitting
this thing forever?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And I just put it down and that was it.
I didn't I didn't plan it, I didn't think about it.
I just went, what if I just stopped?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
And then I was a real asshole for that show
on stage and I talked about it the entire time,
and then the next show we did, I still held
strong and I didn't hit it. In my head, I
was like, there's no way I'm gonna make it. But
then after like three or four days went by, I
was like, I think I did. I think I did
the hard part. I think I'm done. And then I
actually threw away the bapes. And now it's been three weeks,
(06:18):
and every now and again I get a little h
but I have mints.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
I'll just suck on a mint like an altoyd or something,
and I'm good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
So it's actually honestly disappointingly easy, especially you know, quitting vaping.
Days later, my dog dies, I have all kinds of
other issues happening in my personal life, like terrible, terrible things,
and I'm like, this is this is this should be impossible,
and yet I'm disappointed at how easy.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
It was, right because that's the comfort, that's where you
go something bad happens.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
It's maybe it's because I'm maybe it's because I'm so
close to rock bottom.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
It's like it's easier. Maybe if I wasn't, if like
everything was good in my life, it'd be harder. But
since things feel really bad right now, it's it was
really easy.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I don't know, all right, well, good time to get
out on the road. Then, I guess, because you know
that makes things easier.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
We'll see. I don't know, honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
There's all kinds of weird stuff happening in this brain
that I can't figure out.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I don't know if going on the road is going
to help or hurt.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
But I think at this point I just need changes,
I need new things.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So for that reason, I'm kind of excited to be
on the road.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I think, Okay, well, you being out on the road,
Bad Flower, being out on the road right now is
a little different, and so let me see if I
can help you with this Bad Flower being on the road.
It's not just a headline tour. It's well, here's some
headline shows, you get to do some crazy stuff, and
then also here's some support slots. There's a three eleven
two happening later this year. There's three Days Great is
(07:45):
happening in Europe later this year. There are some things
that varies it up a little bit. Maybe that helps.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, Well, there's actually no headline shows except for tomorrow.
We're doing a thing in Chicago making up for when
I was sick and I had to miss a show,
and then in Green Bay the next day, which I think.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
I think that that's why we're playing in Chicago.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Honestly, I don't know, because I know that we're playing
tomorrow in like a bar or a small bar, and.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So honestly I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
I just look at the schedule and I'm like, just
I'll be there, I'll be on the stage.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Are you that kind of person who just like you know,
like ahead of time, you don't go through it, you
just kind of go with the flow. Yes, when it
comes to touring.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I know, I know.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I don't look when I because when I look at
the schedule, especially when it's like a lot, it stresses
me out. Like when my keeps scrolling and I see
all these dates, I'm like, that's too much, too much,
too much, too much. So I have to not look
at it. And I honestly half the time, I don't
know what city I'm in. If the city name is
not written on the set list, I will fuck it up.
And it happens all the time. I'm like, what up Milwaukee,
(08:47):
and they're like, we're in Denver.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Idiot. Fuck all the time.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
As long as when you're in Green Bay, which of
course is my hometown, just don't say you're in Chicago
and you'll be okay.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
In Green Bay?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Are you going to be in Green Bay?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I'm debate, honestly, I remember that that show was happening
about twenty minutes ago. So because I'm not on our
active rock station anymore regularly, so I'm not constantly thinking
about it because I do a morning I do a
morning show, so it's all dick jokes and fart jokes.
Can't forget the fart jokes. But uh yeah, So I
kind of I'm like, oh crap, because I literally said
(09:25):
to my wife the other day, I'm like, well, bad Flower,
I gotta go see bad Flower. Always go see bad Flower.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, please come.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
So I don't as of this point anything going on,
so I think maybe we'll show up great. Maybe, but
I can't guarantee you. Here's the problem, Josh, and this
is old man. This is old man syndrome. I wake
up at three o'clock in the morning, so by the
time you go on stage, I want to be in
bed so bad.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, So Yah'll see.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I mean, look sancy, I'm not waiting to have it three,
but I do go to bed. Actually, that's another thing
that happened with the baything. Holy shit, I'm sleeping.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Wait are you sleeping?
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Holy shit? I thought I had insomnia my whole life,
and I do. I do to a degree.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I have the add so I'm always like, yeah, wired,
But I didn't realize how much vaping was keeping me awake.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I think for a couple reasons.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
One, I'm up vaping in bed trying to sleep, but
then it's like a stimulant, so like that it adds
time to my awakeness, right, And then I think, while
I'm asleep, I'm craving the vape so my body will
wake my brain will wake my body up and be
like you need to hit mm.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
All that I'm sleeping, like ten to twelve hours, I'm
falling asleep.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
I used to see other people fall.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Asleep, like watching a movie, like sitting up like this
and just see this thing and doze off, And I'm like,
you're fucking lying. You're faking that. There's no way anyone
can fall asleep like that, Like I used to see
my dad do it and other people in my family,
like just do that doze off thing where you're in
the middle watching.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Something like there's there's you're lying there's no way I'm
doing that now. The last couple of weeks I'm like, oh,
this is what this feels like. I could just knock
out right here. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
That's pretty cool. You're answering the world's questions right now. Yeah,
be a scientist, social scientist. Josh Katz MD, Yes, go
get your masters. Let's talk about the album though.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Man.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
We could sit and riff on this stuff all day,
because I know you got other of these to do,
and obviously shows to play. No Place like Home third
full length Bad Flower album. Obviously there's other stuff that's
been out. There's a a few songs out on this album.
Last time we talked, I literally asked, so Detroit, could
it be part of a new record? And you go,
(11:38):
maybe it is. What can you tell us about it? Man?
I mean give us your overview now you know now
that it's done.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
If I have to, I have to be honest with you.
I hate it right now. See hard to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I do this crazy back and forth thing where sometimes
I really and I'm like, this is the greatest thing
I've ever done, that the band's ever done. This is
going to like, you know, catapult our careers, and then
other times I'm like, I just made the biggest, like, however,
many year mistake of my life, putting all this effort
into this thing that I don't think is right. So
right now and for an uncomfortably amount of long amount
(12:19):
of time, I've been in this h I hate everything
and I want to burn it all down phase.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
So so yeah, I don't know. It could be good.
I don't know. Like I think.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I'm in this weird, depressing state that I've been in
many times before, and I've always been able to write
about and use the power of creativity to get out
of it and to express it in such a way
that makes me able to look at it from another perspective.
But I've but I've never I'm realizing that I've never
done that with an audience. I went through most of
(12:57):
that stuff pre having an audience, pre having a fan base,
pre having a career, and I sort of gathered all
that intel and then was able to kind of build
this thing.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
And then once the things.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Sort of really took off, I got to coast and
not I was in a really good mood for years.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I had had a good life, and.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Now it's back and I'm in this new phase of life,
and it feels completely foreign. And it feels like all
of the tricks that I thought I had learned to
fix it and just to keep myself on track and
to keep being productive and being creative and and you know,
my fun, charming little self that I am, it's like
(13:37):
none of those, none of those tricks are working anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And so I don't know what to do.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Little imposter syndrome, Oh.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Big imposter syndrome. But that's I mean, that's always the case.
That's been that's always been the case.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
It's really weird.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It's really weird now, it's so weird. Like I used
to love being on social media. It's the I hate
it so much now, Like I hate it than anything now.
I don't want to be seen. I'm finely playing shows
and being seen in real life, but like, something about
this promoting yourself culture that we have now, I don't.
(14:14):
I don't like it. I really believe to look at
me content like, hey, look at me.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
I hate it, Josh. I really believe that there is
a fatigue with social media. Yeah, and it's hitting harder
for some of us right now, more than it ever has.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
I don't know, thoughts, random thoughts, anyway, no place.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I feel like, I feel like life, life is going
through these really fast updates, like a computer update or
a phone app update. Right, like the whole the paradigm
of life and the things that we enjoy and the
way that we interact with each other, and all this
stuff really changes, like every year in the same way
that like your phone gets updated and you're like, oh,
(14:59):
how come this is not in the that used to
be anymore?
Speaker 1 (15:00):
And when I click this, it's everything's different.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
It just feels like the whole infrastructure is different, right,
And you're like, put it back.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I want my old update. That's how life feels right
now where I'm like, put it back. But I like
the old way.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I was crushing it the old way, and now everything's
changing and I don't like it this way.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
I can't navigate this. I kind of feel like the
old man.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
It's like, get off my Yeah, I feel like that,
And and I think I think my feeling out of
all of this is figuring out how to embrace the
old man. Well, you know, there are points when I'm
able to embrace that old man energy and continue to
create from him and love what I do. I think
(15:40):
then I'll maybe I'll figure out how to beat this
whatever this thing is that I'm going through.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
But I haven't figured that out yet.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I'm still I feel like I'm still competing and I'm
still trying to use this interface that I fucking hate
and uh and.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It's so fun.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I don't know that you ever will. You have to
enjoy the ride. Yeah, suck, get up. Let me use
my motorcycle as an analogy. But that's I think there's
a lot to that anyway, this uh this right, I
did listen. The songs are that are out right now
are a little different. Each one's very different from the
other one, and I like that. And I know, you know,
(16:16):
we've talked before about you know, maybe you know, taking
songs and leaving them be as a thing instead of
a whole thing as an album and all that and
all that stuff. But I'm looking forward to hearing the
rest man.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, well, there is a theme like I know you
hate it, but I probably won't. So there is some
stuff that I don't hate on this album. I think
I hate. I hate most of it. We'll leave it okay,
but there's but there's like I don't hate it because
I feel like I phoned it in or anything. I
hate it because I worked really really hard and I
tried really really hard, and I have this fear that
(16:47):
I tried really hard for nothing. And that's why I
hate it right now. And I and I can't know,
I guess until it's out. And and I shouldn't even
let that affect me. I shouldn't let whether or not
the album is successful affect whether or not I feel
like I did something special. Yet here we are, and
that's exactly what I'm doing. So yeah, I gotta, I gotta,
(17:07):
I gotta figure it out.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Listen, man, grab a guitar, grab a notepad, and start
writing some more.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Just yeah, that's a good.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
That's what I wish.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
If I didn't hate music so much, I would do that.
Whatever I'm not. I'm like, I'm so unbelievably serious right now.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
If I know you are little skin of music, I
would absolutely do that.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
But I hate the ship.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
No, No, you don't right now.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Just know, right now, right now, you hate.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You hate where it is currently. You don't hate the
process of it when you sir into it. Once you're
doing it, you love it.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Maybe yeah, sometimes yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
All right, man, get out of here.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
We need to jump to the next interview. It was
really good to see you. I hope you come to
the show. I'd love to catch up. Caters Rock Cast
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