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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Attention plays and no cutters rock cat. Hey, what's going on? Sorry? Related?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hey, no problem, man, I just reached out and went
everybody knows what time? Right, just making sure nothing got lost.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
No, no, we have like a million things we're handling
right now. We have we're going to Canada next week
for some headliners, and our drummer kind of is not
able to go, so we're kind of a bunch of
girls and stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, a d ui. He had a d U.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I no, no, but he did kind of have like
a situation where he forgot he had brass nuckles in
his backpack at the border of Amsterdam. And that's not
a good look. So not a d UI, but not
a good look either way.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Holy Hi, how are you fantastic that you got? You
come in and we're having this conversation about your drummer,
about your drummer doing what drummers do.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well, you know it could be worse, could just be
sleeping on your front porch, you know, like my old
drummer used to do. We literally, I was in a band.
Now tell this story really fast and we'll talk about
your band. But I was in a band long, long
time ago. I was in college and I go to
our rehearsal space. This is in Madison, Wisconsin. I go
to a rehearsal space. It was like underneath this like
trucking company, you know whatever, and then underneath was this
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recording studio and a bunch of rehearsal spaces. I go in.
I unlocked the door. I open it up, and he's
sleeping in there. I'm like, what are you doing? He goes, Oh,
I didn't have a I don't have a place to
live right now. Like, okay, so it's cool, man, I'll
just be here, I'll figure it out. A shame what Yeah, well, yeah,
(01:37):
it's very true.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
We actually had a drummer like that too. Early on.
We had a drummer who lived in like a warehouse
space in.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's amazing. It's amazing. Well it's it's Anastasia, right, yes,
and Maximilian from the band The Haunt jooning us for
the Cutting Edge Countdown and cutters rodcasts absolute honor and
pleasure to meet you guys.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Yeah, thank you of course.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Is that right? The Haunt is actually your last name. Yes,
So this is the easiest band name to ever be
created in history.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
You'd think It actually took us a little bit to
land on it. For the first one with the first names.
We were annistation Max for a long time, and then
it kind of you it.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Evolved, right because you look at the Haunt, you go,
all right, well, yeah, you know, it's a rock band.
The Haunt checks out, makes sense. How was that not
taken already? Good for them? Yeah, but yeah, no, that
that that's that's easy for Okay, So the band's the Haunt.
You've had a couple, you've had a couple kind of
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viral hits. Now you've got a song at rock radio
doing well, kind of tell us who you are, what
is this band? What are you guys? Obviously your brother
and sister and kind of start from there.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well, you know, we started when we were really young.
It was never like you know, we grew up in
a musical household in the sense that like our parents
loved music, but they were not musicians, and they kind
of tried to impress upon it, like trying to you know,
learn music. They you know, when we were really little,
like five years old, they were putting us in like
piano lessons, and you know, we didn't like love them
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or anything like that. It was just like something that
like they really cared about in our like development, and
so it was, you know, kind of something that we
always were around. And then she kind of we kind
of all discovered like that she could like sing, like
really sing. But at the when she was like eight,
they were like, that's kind of different. I feel like
that's not like normal, you know what I mean. And
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then when that happened, she was like extremely shy, and
it was you know, first she would be singing a
cappella and I was sitting like on the stage with
her as like an emotional support animal.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Excuse me, I have my emotional my emotional support brother
with me.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It's fine actally, and I wasn't like, I wasn't like
doing anything. And then eventually it was like, okay, I'm
gonna you know, I'm not gonna just stand here anymore.
I'm going to like play piano and I'm then I
started learning guitar, and then the kind of started from there.
We started adding other instruments. We had a drums, we
had a bass, and it just like over time became
a band more than like we were just like we're
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gonna start a rock band.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of make that into a proper
into a proper rock and roll band.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, exactly. It took a little while to kind of
like sort out. We had like a lot of blues influence,
and we still do, but it kind of like took
time to become like the rock band that it is today.
It took We kind of always knew what we wanted
to do, but it was kind of hard to accomplish
when we needed other producers or people in the room
with us to kind of make it happen. And I
think the big switch kind of happened during like COVID
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when I learned how to produce and even though I
don't exclusively produce our stuff, being having a producer's voice
in the studio to be able to be like, we
know exactly what direction we want to go, we can
demo the songs in the way that we want to go.
Sof like that, I did produce like the whole most
of the whole last record, and then uh, now this record,
we just we worked with Kevin Thrasher, who was amazing,
(04:59):
And when you align as somebody who really gets the
vision of what you're trying to accomplish, everything becomes really
really easy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, and a guy that's not afraid to say, hey,
that sucks. Try that again, Yeah, exactly. And Thrasher will
do that.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
He will, and he'll push you know, he'll push her vocals,
he'll push us instrumentally with like guitars and stuff like that.
But you know, he's the least asshole person like we've
ever worked with in the studio. And it's really common.
It's a it's a pandemic among producers to be a
little bit of an asshole.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
It's a special breed.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I feel like, Yeah, and he's, you know, such a
sweet guy. So he makes it really easy. Like even
when he's pushing you and he's like that kind of sucks,
he's gonna, you know, really do it in the nice
way that isn't.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. We've had I don't doubt that.
For I love Kevin, and I've interviewed him a bunch
and obviously escaped the fate and you know whatever. And
the last time I had talked to him, I didn't
even realize all the work he was doing with with
Travis Barker and and that whole single kind of that
whole crew of people. I'm like, for you man, you
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guys were like this little little band that could for
so long, you know. And he's he's got a great
ear and that's the thing, you know, you need that
as a producer.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, yeah, And he's he's not afraid to like work
with people and make it something, you know, bigger than himself.
He calls him the right mixers and masters and stuff
like he wants good record to be as possible.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
That's good. That's very good. That's I'm happy to hear that.
So he because if you go back, you had a
song I don't remember exactly when cigarettes and I can't
think of why am I mind blinking the name of
the song? I'm so sorry Cigarettes and feelings right, that
songs did really well for you, but it's a little
bit different, like it's that's the more kind of ALTI
(06:47):
I don't know how to explain it, right, and then
kind of poppy almost, and then you have a song
with Masochist Lovers with we're hearing now on rock radio
and satellite and instead of that stuff, that's definitely much
more of the hard rock in your face vein. When
did that switch happen?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So, to be honest, it's kind of what we really
always wanted to do was be a little bit harder.
But we've always listened to a bunch of different genres
and it was kind of an opportunity to work with
the producer and Christian Metis. He produces for Lovely the band.
He's also kind of part of that band. He's like
a writer in that band, and you know, it was
it was we were working with like managers at the
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time and people at the time that kind of wanted
to push the band in the more alternative pop route. Yeah,
and that's kind of always been like an overarching part
of our storyline with it, which is you have a
young girl singer. Everyone wants to make here a Disney star.
And so it was definitely a part of the of
the thing that we've always had to kind of fight
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back against that we were not going to be that.
There was a million different times where they tried to
get us on the voice and this and that and
like just shit that we never really wanted to do.
No hate to any of those things, just not path
you know. And we we listened to a ton of
pop music, and we love pop music, but it's not
what we wanted to make and so it was kind
of a situation where we actually really loved that song.
(08:11):
And I know that song means a lot to a
lot of people, but for us, we always wanted to
be more of a rock band. And after that point,
actually the next single after that, which was a song
called why You're So Cold, was a song that I produced,
and we kind of moved into the vein of like
we really are chasing like rock.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, I feel like even before that, that's the only
song that has that vibe in our whole catalog.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, no, it's a standout. So it's one like we
had an EP before that which had like a lot
of punk influence and a lot of you know, there
was alternative rock influence, but certainly not just a pop
influence on it. And uh, and then that song came
out and then we also just like went back in
the other direction and we made another And there's been
some like more poppy alternative stuff. The stuff that we
did with Matt Good kind of falls into that vein
(08:54):
of like poppy alternative, but we really just decided, like
that's not what we wanted to make, and we knew
that wasn't really what we wanted to make. We were
kind of just like appeasing our management and like doing
the things that we wanted to do, and we got
happy with it. But the truth of the matter is
that we always kind of wanted to be a little
bit on the harder side in the active world, even
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like harder alternative rock. You know, something that's a little
bit more aggressive. Has always been our personality types and
the kind of music that we wanted to make something
a little heavier, and so we were really able to
capture that on the last ep the d A and
d n R and then this album, Kevin, you know,
that's a specialty, so we were really able to get
in there and just make it feel huge and write
the kind of songs that we wanted to write so
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as much as we love cigarette and feelings, and that's
like a big part of the band's history and it's
really what put us on the map originally. It's, you know,
something that you know, we're not continuing down that path
right now, right.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I got you. I got you, And it should be
noted too, you said Matt Good. Matt Good as of
course from the band from first to last. Also another
guy comes from a band situation that has just a
great ear, but obviously different style than Kevin. It's interesting
that that story is put that way because Cigarettes and
Feelings did kind of naturally on its own become such
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a a kind of a sensation amongst people for there
for a little bit and for good or for better
or worse.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
You know, it was a free thing. We were not
on a label, We had no marketing budget, there was
nothing there. It just took off. It was absolutely insane,
and uh, it's it's a great thing. But it's also
one of those things where it's like we put out
Masochistic Lovers last year, and we've built more of an
audience from that song being at radio and just this
whole album that we're doing. In the rock world, we've
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built an actual audience of fans out of that, whereas
the alternative part and the pop scene it's a lot
harder to actually build an audience of fans that's going
to come to a show.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
It's longer lasting, right, I mean that's that slow build
allows it kind of to stay around for a while
and not that that quick thing. So I get that.
I totally get that. Now what you do is you
just add a you just a little heavier guitar riff
when you play it live and you make those people
happy and then you move on with your life. It's
a two many songs.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
We are I promise we're working on it. People do
want to hear it, and we do want to play
it live. We just have to find a way that
makes sense with our set because our spet is even
heavier than the record. It's a lot of breakdowns, it's
a lot of washing. It's on.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Then when we like just take a pause to go
into like a little snap dance, find a.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Way to like work it into the set. But we
have been working on it because we know that, you know,
our fans want to hear it, and that's important to us.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Could we just get rid of the labels of genres
at this point, like, just be done with it. You know,
if elect a call Boy can exist, you can exist.
It's fine, you know what I mean. Like if that
if that industrial metal band can get a hit off
a techno pop cover from the nineties, you guys are
all right, right right. New New Addiction is the latest album, right,
So that's and it is definitely the rock is being
(11:49):
brought on the collection of songs that make up New addiction,
but a short it's so short. You guys are writing
such short songs. I was kind of blown away by that.
I hit play and went, it's over already. Is it
that or is it that short? It's a little both, obviously.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, you know, it's it's a thing that we've always been.
Even when we were like an opening band and we
were given like a twenty five minute time slot, we
were like twenty minutes in and out, Like we're a
band that kind of really doesn't believe in overstaying the
songs welcome, you know what I mean. It's like it's
you want to get all the great parts of what
you want to say, and then once you've said your
piece and you've conveyed the emotion of the song that
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you want to convey. We're kind of believers of like, okay,
wrap it up, you know what I mean. There are
times where we want a longer song here or there,
and we expand upon concepts live because you have like
a lot more freedom live to do what you want.
You have a captive audience, you know what I mean.
But on the record, you know, I think the for us,
we've always felt like we've had the most success when
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you can write songs that get to the point, convey
the emotion that you want to convey, and have a
catchy part of the song and then get that song
over with, you know what I mean sense, And that's
always kind of been our mindset on it is not
writing these like really long We're not We're never going
to be the band. I mean, never say never, but
we have not been the band in the past that
does the seven minute you know, instrumentals and stuff like that.
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I've tried. She will not for lack of trying.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
It's I like it, you know, it's it's it's not
hard to get lost and you start playing something all
of a sudden you're seven minutes and you went, oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Change all that stuff kind of tempo change and time
change and you know, non symmetrical songwriting. She loves that ship.
So I always have to kind of reel it back
in and be like, please know.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
So you like the more structured and then uh, you're
like the tool sleep token kind of that, you know,
the abstract abstract Yeah exactly. Now that the Haunt is
kind of working and that it is taking off and
that you guys are doing more and that there is
albums and and kind of all this stuff. I mean,
what what are you guys looking for towards in the future.
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I know if you go to like not that you
can ever trust Wikipedia, but for example, you know, you
two are the only two listed as band members. Like,
where are you guys at kind of now into twenty
twenty five and moving forward.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, So the band has always been me and Anastesia,
and we've kind of had members that were more permanent
in the past, but they weren't like you know, we've
been no matter who comes into the picture, who comes
out of the picture. We've been working on this band
together for ten years. We've invested our whole life to
two as much. Do you know. We love working with people,
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and we love consistency, and we love allowing the fans
to have people that they're relate with the band, and
like that's a big part of it for us. And
you know, we're still kind of working through that and
building that. But as far as the future of the band,
like we kind of just want to continue to grow,
We want to continue to expand we want to you know,
this is our first year where it was kind of
like a you know, we're still in the middle of it,
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but it's kind of like this mind blowing year for
us where we took a song to radio for the
first time and it's doing well, and we were kind of,
you know, able to work with some incredible artists like
Craig and like you know, mod Sogn and you know,
this record has kind of opened a lot of doors
for us, and you know, our agents are like, it's
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time to go do a headline tour and we're like,
I don't believe you. And then we go out there
to Europe and we're selling out a bunch of the
shows and we're playing our first major festivals for the
first time. We're playing our first Danny Wimmer Festival this
year with Louder than Life, which is unbelievable good, and
you know, yeah, we've never even been to one, so
to go for the first time and play it's like
going to be really really cool. And we're just you know,
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we're really excited to continue to work and continue to
write and expand as artists but also expand as you know,
live performers. And you know, we're constantly thinking, like we're
on the bus thinking about like what we could do
for the next tour to make it even more impactful,
make it even better, you know. And that's kind of
where we're at right now. We just feel like this
this huge sense of momentum and energy and like we
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just want to like transfer that as quickly as possible
onto the next thing.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Said, you've never been to a Danny Wimer festival. Have
you been to a festival period?
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Well, now we have. I mean I've been to We
were at a couple of festivals.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
But only don whoa, but only down here.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
It was like a smoker you on my team?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah I do, but only down here in Florida, I think.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah, we've been to like some my I don't want
to call them minor because they had huge bands on
the rip tid fest Fest festival.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
The ones like huge active rock festivals. But we've been
to a few of like the Mora Alternative we really
wanted to catch, like the nineteen seventy five and like
Catfish in the Bottle Man we caught you World Killers,
the Killers.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Yeah, just like but yeah, not a lot of fun,
a lot of festival. So the ones that we just
in Europe really felt like our first.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Which ones doing which ones did you guys do in Europe?
We didn't Download Download, Oh that's the yep.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And then we did the stage of Jarrow on air,
which was really.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Oh okay, god. Those there are different levels. Danny wimerfest
are cool, don't get them wrong. They're great, but it's
a different that's a different world than the European music festivals.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We have no experience on either side of it. You know.
Download was such a crazy experience for us because we
would like, you know, our first time headlining in Europe
and when then we're coming out there and we're jumping
on a festival for the first time and we're first
on a stage, a side stage. It wasn't like the
main stage. It was one of the bigger ones, and
that's really amazing and we were lucky, but we're like,
nobody is in this festival. We're first, and we were like,
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nobody's gonna like be here yet, or they're all going
to run to the main stage or something like that
and show show up a thousand people at Download first
on the stage.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Rock for People was the first festival that we played
while we were out there and we were like, no
one is in this.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Tent at all yeah, for like the same time as
the headline.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Yeah, the same time as the headliner closing out that
stage that we were on, and we're like, no one's here,
but like, I guess this is just what it is,
our first festival. And then we play our intro track
and how many peoples out thereose like.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Three lines thousand people probably showed up in that tent
and like you know down there and they were singing.
We were like, wait, you you know that to this? Yeah,
it was, and we had in that stage, I was
like a forty five minute set, so it's like almost
you know, feels almost like a headline set. Were last
on the stage, it's nighttime, there's fireworks going off or
like what energy.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
That's so cool. I mean, that's got to feel amazing.
You're running high after that, I imagine.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
But we also that was our first time doing anything
like that ever, so it's just we had no idea
what to expect, and we already like had kind of
prepared ourselves for playing to the three people that were
standing there.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
We were like mentally talking to each other. We were like,
you know, even if there's one hundred people here, like
that's like you know that that'll be a headline show
the next time we come to Prague, and like, that's
like what we got to do.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
So it definitely exceeded any explanations we had.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, it was, it was, It was amazing.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
That makes me happy for you guys. I was just
in Louisville a couple of weeks ago. You're gonna love
it that.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah, we've been before, but we've never played it. Actually
we played it. We didn't play it. No, I'm sorry,
we've played it, we just never played the festival. Right,
we did play We were on tour with the Who
the Mongolian Meat'll Bit.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Oh yeah, we just.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Louisville, also with the Star Menders as well.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Yeah, I was gonna say when we h we played it.
My birthday's May tenth, and then I played it on eleventh. Oh,
we had in Nashville for my birthday. So we would
like to publicly apologize to the people.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
You go, So you go from Nashville on your birthday
to Bourbon Country. I mean that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
No, it was a great We had a great time,
but it was yeah, I think and.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
We sound checked in front of the whole audience because
of how.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Late we were it was rough and we were like, gosh,
we're just gonna put on a show.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Was really Q.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, We're just gonna go change, and then they seem
to like it, so.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
You know what, there's there's a moment of reality to
stuff like that. Though how many times you know you
got you've gone to work a real job and it's
saying like, Okay, I didn't sleep, I need to go
to the bathroom, I need to change something, you know,
whatever it may be. There's a moment of reality to that.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Oh totally.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
There was also the moment of we couldn't get our
click in our ears to work, and so we're like
like the top is freaking out and we're trying to
get everything like working, and like that's all happening in
front of the audience and we're on a clock until
like our set time. So I'm not dressed and I'm
a little hungover, and we're working through this thing and
then the audience is like like cheering for us, like
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we finally get it, and the audience is like cheering
like when we got it, and then we like we'll
be back in four minutes. We're gonna go change and
then come play which was a pretty fun.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That's a that's a that's a respect I got to
give you guys, is playing to a click because the
way that I started playing guitar and in bass and
played bass in a couple of bands too, it's it's
literally it's punk rock, man. It's just drums, bass, guitar, sing,
go click click, doing this.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You know. Yeah, we would watch videos back. We were
like that for pretty much six seven years of the
band's history. We we we only switched over in like
twenty nineteen, twenty twenty something like that, and uh, it
was you know, we would watch videos of like really
energetic shows versus shows where the energy wasn't as high
and be like, we're putting on a different performance and
the song is a different thing, which kind of has
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its own beauty to it as well. But to give
this same, like consistent performance every night in the song
to be like where everyone can sing along and you know,
it just feels like the same song when you record
video and stuff like that, you know, it helps a
lot for those.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I don't have clicks, so I kind of go off,
oh there you.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Go, it's just h it's just the band has clicked.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And then we'll see if they're paying attention.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I love that. Actually, it's like, all right, boys me now, yeah,
I only first started using in your monitors in the
last couple of years. Like it just I don't know, it's.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Weird to have that.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
It's weird, you know, mind thing.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So because there are like I really with the vibes.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
So I just have like one ear in and I
hope for the best with my other ear that doesn't
get I was just.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Talking to somebody else not that long ago who does that.
I don't even remember who, but has the one ear
and just leaves it. But what what?
Speaker 1 (22:06):
I'm pretty sure you can't curse? What's that you can't curse? Right?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
This is radio, Yeah, this is this is pre recorded.
I will cut out your curse words. Okay, that's fine.
For example, for anybody who's listening to this and doesn't
see the video, she is currently wearing a shirt or
a hat that says women doing whatever the fuck they want.
And it's awesome. I love that, especially given when we
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first started this conversation and you're like, oh, they wanted
her to be a Disney princess, you know, and she's
over here wearing that hat. I love it.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Clearly, we went a different direction in life.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Clearly, and that's okay. Follow your path. Listen the Haunt.
I really dig the tunes Man on New Addiction, I
really do. And Massa chissis Lovers. I think it's it's
well deserved that it's doing as well it's doing. There
is something a little bit different to it, a little refreshing,
and I like the way sounds. It just it hits, scratches,
something nice in the ear and it's easy to listen to.
So hats off to you.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Guys, Thank you so much. Yeah, we really love that song,
and it was so cool to be able to, you know,
work with Craig and film the music video with him
and everything like that. It was a really cool experience
for us.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Absolutely. I imagine there are a lot more singles yet
coming to it. Seems like you guys have released a
lot of music in a very short period of time.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, that's not slowing down anytime soon.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
The album comes out.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, so it does. Which is the weekend I'm airing
this so hell.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, so it comes out this weekend.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, as of yesterday. It's fine. This will actually get posted.
The full conversation will get posted on Thursday. The album
comes out on Friday. The radio show airs throughout the weekend,
so there you go. We'll celebrate a new addiction by
the Haunt all week and long on the cutting This
Countdown and Cutters Rodcast. You guys pleasure. It's a pleasure
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to meet you too, so much, and thank you for
taking the time for this conversation and truly appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Thank you for having us, having us Cutter's Rock Cast.
Don't forget to tune in. Yeah,