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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Siberian Here, technology and cybersecurity are made simple
for everyone. Whether you're a tech geek or just curious
about the digital world, we've got you covered. Each episode,
we dive into the latest topics from technocratico dot it
and break them down so you can stay informed and protected.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
This is a.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Siberian Media Miami production. Let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
The scab and gulcious flame make us a blood bad
fame to love it to fuckings.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Holess, see ourselves.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
And remember this. Hey everyone, welcome back for another deep dive.
You know we love to dig into the latest and cybersecurity.
Oh yeah, and today's no exception. But with so much
going on, always something, always something, it could be tough
(01:03):
to keep up. So we're gonna help you focus on
what you really need to know, absolutely straight from the source,
the good stuff. So speaking of the source, today's deep
dive is taking inspiration from this really insightful article.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Oh yeah, I saw that one from.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Technocratico dot Ie. They're an Italian blog, super sharp when
it comes to all things cybersecurity, forensics, legal stuff, you name.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It, real CROs really.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
On top of it. Yeah. The article it's in Italian
of course, the title translates to like overview of cyber
Threats to Global Security. Catchy, right, it gets right to
the point, no beating around the bush. And they just
published this October first, so it's fresh off the press.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Wow, so just a couple of days agre, just a couple.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Of days ago. But the really interesting part they break
down three major threats, like right now, yeah, that everyone
needs to have on their radar.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Everyone listening, pay attention.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
This isn't just oh you should be aware. This is
like wake up call kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Definitely, these aren't your run of the mill did threats.
We're talking high stakes, high tech, almost like something out
of a spy movie.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Oh okay, you've got my attention, right, hit me with it.
Threat number one? What are we looking at all? Right?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Threat number one? Picture this a group of cyber ninjas
so stealthy, they're practically invisible.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Okay, I like where this is going.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
They call themselves salt Typhoon, and these guys they recently
launched this attack on US internet providers.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Oh hold on, They went after the companies that actually
provide internet service. That's I mean, that's hitting where it hurts. Yeah,
no kidding, didn't the article call it like surgical precision
or something.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Spot on, spot on. This wasn't some random smash and
grab operation. These guys they knew exactly what they were doing.
They were laser focused on us Internet providers. And what's
really got people talking is the sheer sophistication of the
whole thing they were using. These things were called zero
day vulnerabilities, basically flaws in software or hardware that nobody
(02:59):
knows about, not even the people who created them.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Okay, so it's like imagine trying to fix a hole
in your fence. You have no idea where the hole
is exactly, so you're just kind of standing there like
with your tools lost blindsided.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
That's what makes these zero day things so dangerous and
salt typhoon.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
They use them like pros. They got in totally.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Undetected, and then they were moving through systems like ghosts,
digital ghosts. By the time anybody even realized what was happening,
the damage was done.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So what kind of damage are we talking about here? Like,
what did they actually do?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We're talking stolen data millions of dollars. And then there's
the whole trust issue. I mean, how can people trust
internet providers if they.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Can just be hacked like this right exactly, it completely
undermines the whole system.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
This wasn't just about some quick buck this was a
direct attack on critical infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
That's terrifying. Yeah, I mean, if they can get away
with that, what kind of safeguards do we even have
in place?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
That's the million dollar question, isn't it. It really highlights
the need for a much more collaborative approach to cybersecurity,
especially when we're talking about critical infrastructure. We can't just
have individual companies trying to build these impenetrable fortresses around
their data.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
So you're saying, like, more transparency between companies, even competitors
when it comes to cyber threats.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Absolutely, we need to be sharing information. If one company
finds a vulnerability or even if they get attacked, that
information needs to be shared with everyone so we can
all strengthen our defenses.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
So it's about building a stronger collective defense, yea, rather
than everybody just hoping their own walls are high enough.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
That makes sense, But I can't imagine that's easy to do,
you know. I mean, how do you encourage that kind
of open communication when everyone's competing with each other.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Oh, it's a huge challenge, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
But the alternative, the idea of not collaborating, that's just
not an option anymore.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
This attack should be a wake up call. We need
a new approach, a.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Collective defense for the digital age.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
H exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It sounds like a pretty daunting task, but it definitely
seems like the old way of doing things isn't working.
But before we dive into solutions, let's move on to
the second threat that the article outlined. And this one,
this one brings us to the international stage.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Oh, getting jesy.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
It involves China and a tactic. Well it's raising a
lot of eyebrows.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
So we were talking about China and this isn't about
them hacking into systems.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Actually, it's about hacking a reputations.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Okay, that's a new one.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, So China's decided to fight cybercrime, but they're doing
it very publicly. They're doxing and suspected hackers.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Doxing that's where you like reveal someone's personal information online, right,
like their address, real name, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Exactly, put it all out there for the world to see.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
But isn't that I mean, even if someone is a suspect.
Isn't that a bit much? It feels kind of wrong.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
It's definitely controversial, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I mean, on the surface, I get it, China's trying
to shame these hackers, make them think twice before hitting
someone else.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
But it just feels I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It raises a whole bunch of ethical and legal questions.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Huge red flags for me, Like, first off, are these
people even guilty? Have they been charged with anything?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It completely bypasses any kind of legal process, due process.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Well what about the invasion of privacy? That's a fundamental right?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, absolutely, And think about it, what if they get
it wrong. What if someone gets docks, their life gets
turned upside down and they were completely innocent.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And on top of that, wouldn't that just drive cybercrime
even further underground, make these guys even more secretive exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It's like, instead of deterring them, you're just making them
more careful, more paranoid.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And then there's the whole international aspect. I mean, if
China's out there dosing people they suspect of cybercrimes, what's
to stop other countries from doing the same thing?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Right, sets a dangerous precedent. Today, it's China tomorrow who knows?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
And then what happens to global cooperation on cybersecurity? I mean,
that's got to be tough. When countries are, you know,
publicly shaming each other's citizens.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It creates a climate of mistrust, makes it harder to
work together to address the real issues.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
It feels like a very short sighted solution with potentially
huge long term consequences.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
But speaking of game changers, the article also talks about
this third threat. This one really has the potential to well,
it could completely change the cybersecurity landscape as we know it.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
All right, you've got my attention laid on me. Threat
number three? What are we looking at?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
AI?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Powered hacking tools?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
AI? Really? I mean, we knew it was coming, but
it feels like we just started talking about AI in everyday.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Life and now it's already moved into the cybercrime space. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
So are we talking like faster, more efficient hacking tools
or is this something totally different?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
This is different. Think of it this way.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Imagine a hacking tool that doesn't just scan for vulnerabilities,
it learns how to exploit them. In ways humans might
never even think of.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Okay, that's a little creepy.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And it can adapt its tactics in real time depending
on the defenses it encounters.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
So it's like having a hacker who's constantly learning, evolving,
getting better with every attack.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Scary, right, And we're not just talking theory here. These
tools are already being developed.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
So how do we even begin to defend against something
like that? Feels like trying to outrun a tidal wave.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It's definitely a challenge, but it's not hopeless.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Not hopeless.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Think of it like, Okay, if AI is the weapon, right,
it can also be the shield.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Interesting, we can use AI to build way stronger defenses, like,
way more powerful than what we have now.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
So we're talking fighting fire with fire, using AI to
defend against AI.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Powered attacks exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
We need security systems that can analyze mountains of data.
I'm talking mountains okay, wow, not just analyze, but actually
detect anything fishy happening in real.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Time, in real time, okay.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Even predict where that next attack might come from. AI
can do that.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So it's almost like having an AI security guard. Yeah,
that's constantly on patrol looking for anything suspicious.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Always a step ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
That's the idea anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
That's reassuring. But I have to ask, I mean, this
sounds incredibly complex. How do you even begin to build
something like that.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Well, it starts with data. You need AI systems that
can learn from all the attacks that have already happened,
the ones we know about. Right, They can recognize patterns, right,
see how these attacks evolve, so.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
They can predict what the next attack might look like.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And these systems they're constantly watching the network traffic looking
for anything unusual, anything suspicious.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
They can even get this.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
They can patch vulnerabilities before they're even.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Exploited, so before a hacker even knows about it.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Potentially.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, that's the power of AI.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's incredible. But I imagine a system like that has
got to be incredibly expensive to build. I mean, can
the average company even afford something like that.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It's definitely a big investment upfront, no doubt. But you
got to think of it this way. What's the cost
of not investing in this kind of protection?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Right? If you get hit with a major attack, that's
going to cost you way more in the.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Long run, way more lost data downtime, lawsuits, reputation damage,
the list goes on. Suddenly that AI security system doesn't
seem so expensive.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
No, it seems like a bargain. But even with AI
on our side, it's not a magic bullet, right. We
can't just sit back and let the machines handle everything.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Absolutely not the human element that's always going to be important.
Even the smartest AI system can account for human error because.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
We're still the ones clicking all those fishing links, right.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Exactly, all it takes is one wrong click and suddenly
even the tightest security can be bypassed.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
So what can we do?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Training? Education, awareness.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
We need to make sure everyone and I mean everyone,
not just the IT guys, understands the basics of cybersecurity.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Everyone needs to be a cyber warrior.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Exactly, know how to spot a phishing email, Understand the
importance of strong passwords, that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Knowledge is power, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So stay informed, stay vigilant. It almost sounds like.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
A mantra, it kind of is.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And just as important, we need to be talking to
each other. Companies need to be sharing information about threats, vulnerabilities,
best practices, right, like.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
We talked about earlier. Break down. Those silos present a
United Front exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Collaboration is key, especially now with AI changing the game.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Wow, a lot to think about. We've covered a lot
of ground today, stealthy hackers targeting critical infrastructure, governments, pushing
the boundaries with dosing, and now the rise of AI
as both a weapon and a shield in the digital world.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
It's a wild West out there, that's for sure. But
I'm optimistic, I really am. I think if we stay informed,
adapt our strategies, and work together, we can create a safer,
more secure digital future.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I like your optimism. That's a great note to end on.
A huge thank you to our expert for breaking down
these complex issues and providing some much needed hope for
the future, and to all our listeners, thank you for
joining us on this deep dive into the ever evolving
world of cybersecurity. Remember, stay curious, stay vigilant, and we'll
see you next time on the Deep Dive.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Sounds tension alongs full results.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
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Welcome to Siberian Here, technology and cybersecurity are made simple
for everyone. Whether you're a tech geek or just curious
about the digital world, we've got you covered. Each episode,
we dive into the latest topics from technocratico dot it
and break them down so you can stay informed and protected.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
This is a.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Siberian Media Miami production. Let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
The scab and gulcious flame make us a blood bad
fame to love it to fuckings.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Holess, see ourselves.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
And remember this. Hey everyone, welcome back for another deep dive.
You know we love to dig into the latest and cybersecurity.
Oh yeah, and today's no exception. But with so much
going on, always something, always something, it could be tough
(01:03):
to keep up. So we're gonna help you focus on
what you really need to know, absolutely straight from the source,
the good stuff. So speaking of the source, today's deep
dive is taking inspiration from this really insightful article.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Oh yeah, I saw that one from.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Technocratico dot Ie. They're an Italian blog, super sharp when
it comes to all things cybersecurity, forensics, legal stuff, you name.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It, real CROs really.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
On top of it. Yeah. The article it's in Italian
of course, the title translates to like overview of cyber
Threats to Global Security. Catchy, right, it gets right to
the point, no beating around the bush. And they just
published this October first, so it's fresh off the press.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Wow, so just a couple of days agre, just a couple.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Of days ago. But the really interesting part they break
down three major threats, like right now, yeah, that everyone
needs to have on their radar.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
Everyone listening, pay attention.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
This isn't just oh you should be aware. This is
like wake up call kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Definitely, these aren't your run of the mill did threats.
We're talking high stakes, high tech, almost like something out
of a spy movie.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Oh okay, you've got my attention, right, hit me with it.
Threat number one? What are we looking at all? Right?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Threat number one? Picture this a group of cyber ninjas
so stealthy, they're practically invisible.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Okay, I like where this is going.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
They call themselves salt Typhoon, and these guys they recently
launched this attack on US internet providers.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Oh hold on, They went after the companies that actually
provide internet service. That's I mean, that's hitting where it hurts. Yeah,
no kidding, didn't the article call it like surgical precision
or something.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Spot on, spot on. This wasn't some random smash and
grab operation. These guys they knew exactly what they were doing.
They were laser focused on us Internet providers. And what's
really got people talking is the sheer sophistication of the
whole thing they were using. These things were called zero
day vulnerabilities, basically flaws in software or hardware that nobody
(02:59):
knows about, not even the people who created them.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Okay, so it's like imagine trying to fix a hole
in your fence. You have no idea where the hole
is exactly, so you're just kind of standing there like
with your tools lost blindsided.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
That's what makes these zero day things so dangerous and
salt typhoon.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
They use them like pros. They got in totally.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Undetected, and then they were moving through systems like ghosts,
digital ghosts. By the time anybody even realized what was happening,
the damage was done.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
So what kind of damage are we talking about here? Like,
what did they actually do?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We're talking stolen data millions of dollars. And then there's
the whole trust issue. I mean, how can people trust
internet providers if they.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Can just be hacked like this right exactly, it completely
undermines the whole system.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
This wasn't just about some quick buck this was a
direct attack on critical infrastructure.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
That's terrifying. Yeah, I mean, if they can get away
with that, what kind of safeguards do we even have
in place?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
That's the million dollar question, isn't it. It really highlights
the need for a much more collaborative approach to cybersecurity,
especially when we're talking about critical infrastructure. We can't just
have individual companies trying to build these impenetrable fortresses around
their data.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
So you're saying, like, more transparency between companies, even competitors
when it comes to cyber threats.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Absolutely, we need to be sharing information. If one company
finds a vulnerability or even if they get attacked, that
information needs to be shared with everyone so we can
all strengthen our defenses.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
So it's about building a stronger collective defense, yea, rather
than everybody just hoping their own walls are high enough.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
That makes sense, But I can't imagine that's easy to do,
you know. I mean, how do you encourage that kind
of open communication when everyone's competing with each other.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Oh, it's a huge challenge, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
But the alternative, the idea of not collaborating, that's just
not an option anymore.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
This attack should be a wake up call. We need
a new approach, a.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Collective defense for the digital age.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
H exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
It sounds like a pretty daunting task, but it definitely
seems like the old way of doing things isn't working.
But before we dive into solutions, let's move on to
the second threat that the article outlined. And this one,
this one brings us to the international stage.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
Oh, getting jesy.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
It involves China and a tactic. Well it's raising a
lot of eyebrows.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
So we were talking about China and this isn't about
them hacking into systems.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Actually, it's about hacking a reputations.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Okay, that's a new one.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, So China's decided to fight cybercrime, but they're doing
it very publicly. They're doxing and suspected hackers.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Doxing that's where you like reveal someone's personal information online, right,
like their address, real name, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Exactly, put it all out there for the world to see.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
But isn't that I mean, even if someone is a suspect.
Isn't that a bit much? It feels kind of wrong.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
It's definitely controversial, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I mean, on the surface, I get it, China's trying
to shame these hackers, make them think twice before hitting
someone else.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
But it just feels I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It raises a whole bunch of ethical and legal questions.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Huge red flags for me, Like, first off, are these
people even guilty? Have they been charged with anything?
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It completely bypasses any kind of legal process, due process.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Well what about the invasion of privacy? That's a fundamental right?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, absolutely, And think about it, what if they get
it wrong. What if someone gets docks, their life gets
turned upside down and they were completely innocent.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And on top of that, wouldn't that just drive cybercrime
even further underground, make these guys even more secretive exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
It's like, instead of deterring them, you're just making them
more careful, more paranoid.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And then there's the whole international aspect. I mean, if
China's out there dosing people they suspect of cybercrimes, what's
to stop other countries from doing the same thing?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Right, sets a dangerous precedent. Today, it's China tomorrow who knows?
Speaker 3 (06:48):
And then what happens to global cooperation on cybersecurity? I mean,
that's got to be tough. When countries are, you know,
publicly shaming each other's citizens.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
It creates a climate of mistrust, makes it harder to
work together to address the real issues.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
It feels like a very short sighted solution with potentially
huge long term consequences.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
But speaking of game changers, the article also talks about
this third threat. This one really has the potential to well,
it could completely change the cybersecurity landscape as we know it.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
All right, you've got my attention laid on me. Threat
number three? What are we looking at?
Speaker 2 (07:24):
AI?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Powered hacking tools?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
AI? Really? I mean, we knew it was coming, but
it feels like we just started talking about AI in everyday.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Life and now it's already moved into the cybercrime space. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
So are we talking like faster, more efficient hacking tools
or is this something totally different?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
This is different. Think of it this way.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Imagine a hacking tool that doesn't just scan for vulnerabilities,
it learns how to exploit them. In ways humans might
never even think of.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Okay, that's a little creepy.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And it can adapt its tactics in real time depending
on the defenses it encounters.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
So it's like having a hacker who's constantly learning, evolving,
getting better with every attack.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Scary, right, And we're not just talking theory here. These
tools are already being developed.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
So how do we even begin to defend against something
like that? Feels like trying to outrun a tidal wave.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It's definitely a challenge, but it's not hopeless.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Not hopeless.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Think of it like, Okay, if AI is the weapon, right,
it can also be the shield.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Interesting, we can use AI to build way stronger defenses, like,
way more powerful than what we have now.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
So we're talking fighting fire with fire, using AI to
defend against AI.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Powered attacks exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
We need security systems that can analyze mountains of data.
I'm talking mountains okay, wow, not just analyze, but actually
detect anything fishy happening in real.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Time, in real time, okay.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Even predict where that next attack might come from. AI
can do that.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So it's almost like having an AI security guard. Yeah,
that's constantly on patrol looking for anything suspicious.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Always a step ahead.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
That's the idea anyway.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
That's reassuring. But I have to ask, I mean, this
sounds incredibly complex. How do you even begin to build
something like that.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Well, it starts with data. You need AI systems that
can learn from all the attacks that have already happened,
the ones we know about. Right, They can recognize patterns, right,
see how these attacks evolve, so.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
They can predict what the next attack might look like.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And these systems they're constantly watching the network traffic looking
for anything unusual, anything suspicious.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
They can even get this.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
They can patch vulnerabilities before they're even.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Exploited, so before a hacker even knows about it.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Potentially.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, that's the power of AI.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
That's incredible. But I imagine a system like that has
got to be incredibly expensive to build. I mean, can
the average company even afford something like that.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
It's definitely a big investment upfront, no doubt. But you
got to think of it this way. What's the cost
of not investing in this kind of protection?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Right? If you get hit with a major attack, that's
going to cost you way more in the.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Long run, way more lost data downtime, lawsuits, reputation damage,
the list goes on. Suddenly that AI security system doesn't
seem so expensive.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
No, it seems like a bargain. But even with AI
on our side, it's not a magic bullet, right. We
can't just sit back and let the machines handle everything.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Absolutely not the human element that's always going to be important.
Even the smartest AI system can account for human error because.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
We're still the ones clicking all those fishing links, right.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Exactly, all it takes is one wrong click and suddenly
even the tightest security can be bypassed.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
So what can we do?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Training? Education, awareness.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
We need to make sure everyone and I mean everyone,
not just the IT guys, understands the basics of cybersecurity.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Everyone needs to be a cyber warrior.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Exactly, know how to spot a phishing email, Understand the
importance of strong passwords, that kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Knowledge is power, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So stay informed, stay vigilant. It almost sounds like.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
A mantra, it kind of is.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
And just as important, we need to be talking to
each other. Companies need to be sharing information about threats, vulnerabilities,
best practices, right, like.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
We talked about earlier. Break down. Those silos present a
United Front exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Collaboration is key, especially now with AI changing the game.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Wow, a lot to think about. We've covered a lot
of ground today, stealthy hackers targeting critical infrastructure, governments, pushing
the boundaries with dosing, and now the rise of AI
as both a weapon and a shield in the digital world.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
It's a wild West out there, that's for sure. But
I'm optimistic, I really am. I think if we stay informed,
adapt our strategies, and work together, we can create a safer,
more secure digital future.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I like your optimism. That's a great note to end on.
A huge thank you to our expert for breaking down
these complex issues and providing some much needed hope for
the future, and to all our listeners, thank you for
joining us on this deep dive into the ever evolving
world of cybersecurity. Remember, stay curious, stay vigilant, and we'll
see you next time on the Deep Dive.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Sounds tension alongs full results.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
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