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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Ladies and gentlemen, May I have your attention please? The
show stops in Live Day seventh six five four three
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Suit one go.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to Basic Black after Dark.
I'm your host, Black Diamond, and Tonight we're joined by
a powerful woman whose work is transforming live supports to clothe.
Keisha Johnson McRae is a certified life and transformation coach.
She is a wife, a mother, a proud grandmother, affectionately
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called Nun, and the founder of Queen Coaching LLC and
a Beautiful Butterfly Queen movement. Her signature message emotional and
mental illness should be a conversation now to see child,
I think we see healing. Kisha and powers Black Christian women,
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especially those raising children with ADHD and navigating chronicles to
move beyond emotional overwhelmed, restore hope, and embrace peace. She's
also the author of Access, Denied, Surrender the Battle, a
poetry collection Blending testimony. I gotta see that it's blending testimony,
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faith and healing. With her gift the empathy, Kisha meets
women exactly where they are, igniting transformation and speaking life
into broken places. Tonight we get to sit down with
Keisha to talk about her journey, her mission, and the
movement she's building. Welcome Keisha to Basic Black Afterdog. I
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think we have a little bit of trouble hearing you
because you're going in and out. Yeah, I can hear you, now,
can you hear me clear? I think we may be behind.
Maybe mister, you can't hear me at all. Oh, you're
(02:44):
telling your music well and know the music has stopped playing,
So I'm not sure what that is. I'm not sure
what that is. But what I want everybody to know
is who is Keisha Johnson mcgrae Behind titles, the coach,
the author, the wife, and the new who are you?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
She may need to go out and come back here.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, the producer said, go out, go out and come
back in.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, my apologies to everyone. This happens, especially with this
weather changing the way that it is. We are in
two different areas. Sometimes I'm off line, sometimes they may
be offline. But if you just hold on, I guarantee
you're going to have a great show tonight. She has
a lot to offer, as I read earlier, being not
just a wife and a mother, She is an author,
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she is a coach, and she has these programs that
she's running transformation programs with speaking Life into Broken Places.
She's the author of Access Denied to Render the Battle,
And I am so interested in getting down into this
and this is from pain to piece and exclusive conversation
with us. So I'm so glad to be able to
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have her on my show tonight, to be able to
break through all of this. Yeah, here, can you hear me?
You can hear me now? Okay, I think I can
hear you a little bit better. But I was asking
you before you had had to go out, who exactly
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is Keisha Johnson mcray behind the titles of being a coach, author,
wife and your new note? Well, uh, I love you,
I love growing up.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
And I just stiel I was chosen, I was chosen
or emotion my journey with journey, and overcame it say
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now who's now who's open to be?
Speaker 6 (05:11):
For God? For God?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah? I can catch like every other word of what
you're saying. I don't really don't know what's going on
with the let me see because well she's checking on
that high good evening d D Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Can you have her to check her browser because she
has something else open, it's gonna echo.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
She has an echo right now.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So when she comes back on, tell her to make
sure that she has anything else open because she has
a couple of browsers open.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
To close now so that it does not echo.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Does Thank you, Hi, Charlotte, thank you for chiming in
hoping that you guys enjoy tonight's So I'm excited to
have Keisha on here tonight. She is a poet, so
we're hoping that maybe we should get her to say
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a little something. Keisha, if you have any browsers that's open,
you may want to close them because we get an
echo every once in a while from you.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Oh yeah, okay, okay, yeah, I can hear you.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
My my speakers on the mob, so that could have been.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, I can definitely hear you lot better than now
you were telling me who he said, Johnson McGray is
beyond the titles that you have with your the culture
or the White And you know, I was definitely want
to ask you about that new New. Is that a
name that your grandchildren gave you or you just wanted
to be called new?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Well? Actually I only have one grand baby right now.
Baby right now, and it's it's Her name is Miracle.
And she named me. She named me. I kept trying
to get her to say Glama and all these little,
you know, cute names, but she named me. She gave
me the name. I said, I was gonna take it.
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I was gonna take it.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Hey, our grandchildren speak, they speak, that's right. So I'm
I'm gonna ask you. Can you share the finding moment
in your personal life that led you towards coaching and
your transformation work.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I think it was it was It was more so
I would say it came around maybe like twenty twenty one.
For one, my my sister had gotten sick.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
She was battling colon cancer.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
And during that time time I was able to be
solace to her during the moments of uncertainty that she
would have. And that right there that changed me in
so many ways. You know, I knew it was nothing
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but God because of my emotional overwhelm that I used
to suffer with, right the emotional exhaustion I used to
go through, the emotional dramatic experiences I used to have
when there was loss in the family, just a lot
of dramatic things that used to go on in my life.
So to be able to be a solid foundation for
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her during that time really really caused me to want
to do more for women. Wanted to do more for
you know, like I said, you know, dealing with Christian women,
I know a lot of times we are silenced about
a lot of things. So I knew for me coaching, mentoring,
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being an advocate because I'm an advocate for emotional and
mental you know, health, because I dealt with it with
both of them, right and you know, even now, a
lot of it is still emotionally faceted in my life, right,
but I'm able to handle it better. Right. So I
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just feel that God chose me to be solid for her.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
He chose me to be.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Someone in her life that she could count on during
those times because she had to she had to support.
But for some reason, my sister wanted to rely on me,
and I knew that I not had been healed from
the emotional exhaustion and overwhelming my life, I would not
have been able to be that for her during that time.
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And that right there also was the reason that I
felt that I needed to be the voice for those
women who assignment and mainly I think for me it's
Christian women because you know, I'm a believer. I believe
in God with all my heart, and I know there
is a God because he saved my life. You know,
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a younger sister, I think I would say I'm over
in the middle. Yeah, because I have an older Yeah,
I'm speaking of I'm the oldest. Yeah. Yeah, you would
have thought she was the onest, but I'm the old.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
On your personal journey and your identity, what does Queen's
spelt with a K mean to you personally?
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Well, that that was a journey on its own. I
don't know why God gave me that the k w
e e N, but he did, but for some reason
reason because I didn't seek him.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Like I needed to seek him to get validity on it.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I was trying to think of things that that meant
just because of I guess the cliche of k w
e e N. And it was only maybe about about
a He gave me kingdom embracing emotional newness, which fit
me to a t because it was it was my tribe.
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It was the women that I'm seeking to support and
their journey to their emotional healing. Right, So that's it,
Queen k w e e N and I and I
stand on that with everything in me good.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
So you speak openly about Christian faith. How is face
taking your journey of healing and helping others?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Could you repeat that question again?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I'm saying, you speak openly about your Christian faith. Yes,
how is faith shake your journey of healing and helping others?
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Well, I'm able to understand how God saved my life
and save and rescue me from things that I mean,
most women.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
How can I put it?
Speaker 5 (12:28):
God saved me from myself. Let's put it. I'm gonna
put it like that because I know it wasn't me,
because the suicidal ideation in the past and all of
the emotional trauma that I went through, And this is
not trauma. This wasn't trauma that I went through because
of certain things. Maybe that was so traumatizing in my life,
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But when you think of trauma, everybody's trauma is different, right,
everybody's trauma is different. But for me, emotionally, my emotions,
I couldn't manage my emotions right. So I knew that
I had no choice but to lay my life down
to God. Right. I had to get one. That night.
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I was going through so much and I just laid
my life to him in the middle of my floor.
And it was only then that I surrendered. That's what
access denized, surrendered the battle. I surrendered my whole life
to him, right which I had no choice but to
stand on him and not not on myself. So I
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believe my faith is a is a whole hoary part
of my life because I know I wouldn't be where
I am today without my Lord Jesus Christ. I would not.
I would not.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
And how is the spiritually and emotionally grounded when you
when life feels well.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Back to back to my faith? You know, you know
I have I have people. I have a great support
system emotionally, spiritually, physically. You know, I have a huge
support system, which many people cannot say that they have. Right,
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So I'm able to lean on them. I'm able to.
I wouldn't say put everything on them, but I'm able to.
I have people I can talk to. I have people
I can trust, right, I have people that I can confide.
And I have a bishop, right, I have a first lady,
you know, So I have close birfriends like sisters that
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if I just want to have a conversation, whatever it's about, emotionally,
my emotions, spiritually, spiritually speaking. But I have a huge
support system and I think that's something that's very important,
which a lot of women, Christian women, women.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Alone, do not have. And I'm just fortunate to have
that to have that.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
So I want to talk a little bit about your
coaching and the Queen movement. Tell us about the Queen
Coaching LLC, and what makes your approach.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
You need.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
You fro I'm saying, I wanted to talk a little
bit about coaching and the Queen movement. Tell us about
the queen coaching and what makes your approach unique.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Okay, So as far as the which is two different things,
the Queen Movement is actually called the Beautiful Butterfly Queen Movement.
That's the movement itself, and the Beautiful Butterfly Queen Movement
was birthed out of the pain, my pain, I would say,
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to my purpose when it came down to my sister
the last days of her life. So my nickname is.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Beautiful, that's what our mother named us.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
And my sister nickname is black butterfly. It was back
black butterfly. So I put I intertwined, I put them
both together and I just added the queen which was
already there anyway, because it just was a fit, right,
It just it just made sense because a lot of
things that my sister went through, you know, I experienced,
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and we was just really yop that way. So it
just made sense. And as far as the Queen Coaching LLC,
that's just the the culching and the mentoring and advocacy
in itself. Right, So if someone decides that they would
want like to hire me with like some advocacy when
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it came down to mental health or emotional health, that's
where that falls in, you know that. But the movement
movement is separate from the actual business.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Beautiful the Beautiful Queen movement. It's a powerful name. Yeah,
is that movement present? Besides just that, it's something else
that represents as well, both of you and between you
and your sister.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
I would I would say that it represents spiritual transformation
because then it all boils down to my Before my
sister passed away, she she went through a very she
went through a spiritual transformation like never before we we
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it was just unheard of because of where she was
in her life. So seeing that I knew that there
was a God, I knew that God, no matter where
he was at in your life, no matter what.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
She was going through.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
My sister actually went through her pain and the pressure
of the pain, and at the same time she had peace.
I watched her go through that. So my move this
movement is it is more than just a movement, right,
It's it's a it's a lifestyle. It's a lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
So what are some common struggles that you see African
American Christian women facing.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Well? For one, even though emotional and mental health is
spoken of now more than it was before, I still
think in the African American and Christian community, a lot
of us we won't speak on it, right, I think
we're more afraid again even being Christian women were afraid
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because I went through it myself, even being afraid to
come to UH to share that you're struggling emotionally or
you're struggling mentally because you know you're thinking, someone would
say to you, well, if you believe in God, why
are you struggling, why emotionally you're going through this? Just
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take it to God. When I can, I understand, and
I and even for anyone who's going through something emostly
on mental you can yeah, we take it to God,
but it does not deviate from the fact that we're
feeling what we're feeling, right, and that's it right. There
a lot of times we it's almost like we don't
get permission to feel in order for us to heal.
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And I just feel like, for me, I'm going I'm
gonna be that.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Boy practical coaching tools with spiritual empowerment. Say it again,
how do you balance your practical coaching tools with spiritual empowerment?
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Well, I actually yeah, because I actually do both. Because
you have to do both, right. You can't have the
practical without the spiritual. You can't have spirit without the
practically because there's gonna be some things that you do
or that you have to help people through in order
for them to be healing them to How can I
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say them to go through their own transformation? Right?
Speaker 6 (20:11):
I have to.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I have to marry the two. You know, there's no
such thing of me giving you spirituals or some type
of spiritual coaching or mentoring or advocacy, and the tools
itself are going to be practical. There's going to be
some tools that's not going to be Christian or not
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going to be spiritual, but we have to add the men.
So it's just the fact that, you know, when I
speak to people, I let people know that I'm you know,
women know I'm a believer, right, So whatever I speak
to you about, it's going to involve God. But at
the same time, I understand the steps that I might
have to give you in order to move forward or
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going to Some times it's gonna be mixed with both,
but the practical is definitely it has to be in it.
It's no such.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Can you see a story that actually transformed you from
a client something that really impacted you without giving the
client's name.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
A client's issue, Well, I'd have been a client that
came to you and they discussed something.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And it had a great deal of impact on you.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
I I had a young lady a couple of actually
a couple of years ago.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
And.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
She was going through something in her marriage. She was
going through something in her marriage. It seemed like the
person was in and out right and for me at
that you know, it's strange because for me that time
I had some things going on too, right, So her
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situation impacted me a lot. Because when we're sitting in
something we and someone come to us with that same problem.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Sometimes we think that we cannot help them, we're.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
No good to them because we're going through our own
personal personal endeavor, right. But for me, it impacted me
because I still was able to I wouldn't say give
her advice, but I still gave her the opportunity to
make a choice because the things that she was going
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through weren't what I was going through. But she we
both was married, right, So I was able to to
I would say I was just I was able to
to to be her. I wouldn't say voice, but I
was able to speak to her in a way to
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where she was able to really figure out what she
wanted to do on her own on her own. And
that was an impact on me because that was kind
of hard for me. But at the same time, I
wasn't going through the exact same thing she was going through,
but I was also married and going through my own
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things at the time.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
So you're writing and creative expression. Your book access Denied
to Render the Battle. It blends poetry, faith, and testimony.
What inspired this project?
Speaker 5 (23:40):
I'm going to say that the inspiration behind this was
basically me trying to be the voice for the well.
First of all, I always.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Come to me first.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Right.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
This book also was therapy for me because it gave
me a chance to speak about everything that I felt,
everything that I felt was being done to me, everything
that I may have seen that I just could not
speak to anyone about. I was able to put it
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in words, right. It was in words and the words
that I used during my when I was writing it
was it was therapy for me. And I was actually
like almost like talking to my book, right, I was
talking to the book and it just it's expression.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
Right.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
A lot of a lot of women, Christian women, we
go through things and we suppressed emotions. We suppressed these
feelings that we're having and we do not.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Want to talk about them. So I was bold enough.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
I felt I was bold enough to be that voice
because I feel that everything that's in access denied, someone
is going to find and something in that that they're
actually going through and know that they can come out
of it. Because in the beginning of my poetry would
I would write about the feeling, but in an end
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I express how God brought me through it and that
He could bring them through it too. But each poem
is different, each poem is different, So do you.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
See your writing as a form of healing for you
as well as in your clients.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Yes, I do, Yes, I do. In what way I
feel that it's healing. It's giving them permission to heal
because it's giving them permission to feel. It's giving them
permission to understand that whether you're Christian, whether you whoever
you are, that it's possible for you to get through
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it's possible for you to have peace during the process
and doing the pressure that you're going through. And I
am a I'm a firm believer, and I am definitely
a right here, I'm here right I shouldn't be here.
I shouldn't be here, I shouldn't be here. So I
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believe that my book is going to definitely be a
healing space for women. It's different. My book is very
different because my book it has what you call instead
of chapters, I call them gates instead of chapters.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I I love that you use permission. And I love
when theraughp parents and coaches use the word permission when
they're because I feel it's those very important for them
to understand that they can give them self permission. They
don't have to wait for somebody else to get it.
But you said something just now that I wanted to
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ask you. You said that you shouldn't be here. What
did you mean by that?
Speaker 5 (26:59):
I mean, okay, So I think I'm gonna leave that
to way back when in my life I went through
suicidal ideation. Now for me knowing what I know now,
and I say, yeah, that was just the enemy trying
to trying to get rid of me because he knew
what God, the clans that God had on my life,
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and the calling that he had on my life. So
I was at a point where I don't know what
it was. I didn't want to live. Every day I
walked through the train station, something would say to me,
jump the track, and I think that's why, to this
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day that I will. I'm so afraid to even go
close to the edge, right, I'm very afraid. And I
have to admit that I asked God to deliver that
from you. But I'm petrified. And I think because it's
a trigger to go back to those feelings. Not that
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I want to do it, but the trigger back to
those feelings that I was feeling, and in those moments,
I can remember them, you know, like like it's like
it happened yesterday. Right. So that's why I said, because
I could have I could have easily I could have
took my life. But it was just something I only
had the thought. I never had the plan, But it
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was just something about when I would walk through something
I mainly there was a lot of times it was
the train station. I don't know what it was with
the train station, but that would want to be what
it be hit by a train. I always say that.
But God rescue me for that because he didn't allow
me to go through it.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
From when I wanted to say, I'm glad you're here,
I'm glad. I'm very happy that you were so transparent
with it. But I'm gonna tell you, anybody that's been
in New York be in the train stations looking at
the plan when you train to come through, it's a
scary thing. Whether you're contemplating or not. That's just something.
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They got those poles in there standing between them wait
for the because it seems like it's a safe space.
Tell me somebody from New York, I knows it ain't
no joking. You got plenty of platforms and it's always
bringing to people. Then you gotta I'm not trying to
scare anybody from being in New York or going there.
It's just that we're.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Telling you that line out there is therefore.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Don't go too far, and the trains door gonna stay
open for a little while longer because there's a lot
of people down and they got to come and go
or take that bag and throw it in between and
that go. If you gotta let go that that's that
the subway system.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
For You know, if you had to.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Then say something about your book in three words, what
would it be? How would you describe your book in
three words?
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Oh, authentic, transparent, and vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Okay, And you shared every one of those things with us.
You definitely seem to be authentic. You definitely appear to
be transparent, and I appreciate that. You don't have many
people that's so transparent that would just come forward and
to be able to speak their peace and just be
so comfortable with doing that. So it seems as though
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it's not a practice that you have. It's a natural
that you and I appreciate that. Why do you believe
if you believe at all emotional and mental wellness has
been such a secret in our community?
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Well, first of all, they both yeah, they both work together.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
You know, I feel they both work together because they
are lot of us I think, and it could be
culture wise, it can be fear of the unknown of
what what's going to come about if the transparency is
there or if they share. And like I said again,
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especially in the Christian community, I really feel that, you know,
when you think about these things, I feel that we
maybe maybe at some point that our communities or even
even church homes can have some type of separate uh.
(31:42):
I guess like some type of separate somebody we can
go to regarding just that right mental we could talk
to them about our mental health, you know, because a
lot of times, you know, people tournament between spiritual counseling
or coaching then it is you know, practical coaching. So
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for me even I even feel they both live together
because I feel that God didn't put psychiatrists counselors on
this earth just just to sit here and not serve
the people, whether we're Christian or not. But I do
believe that Christian counseling needs to be a part best
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if you're a believer, it needs to be a part
of your life. But at the same time, you got
to get the help.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
That you need regardless, if you can't.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Get Christian counselor, you're don't have to go out on
the limit and get some counselor, because yeah, you don't
want to find yourself on the other side before that time.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
So many people have walked away from their faith. And
I wouldn't say which faith they are, but so many
people have walked away from their faith they stopped believing.
How do you work with a client that will sit
in front of you and said, had walked away from
my faith and I don't even know why I'm sitting here.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Mm hmm. Well, if I had someone that I never
had that experience, but if I did have someone who
came to me and indicated that if they're sitting in
front of me, there's a feeling behind that, right, But
then they didn't totally walk away from it because they
wouldn't be sitting in front of me, especially if they
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already know that I'm a believer, right, they already know
I'm I'm a believer. So I'm going to ask them
to unpack that for me. I want to know. I
want to know more about that what happened. What happens
is always it's always a situation or an experience that
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causes us to make certain decisions. So what let's unpack
that together, like what happened, because sometimes it's misunderstanding. Sometimes
we emotionally jump the gun maybe what somebody said or
what they meant before having a conversation with them and
letting them know how you felt because of what they said,
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whether it's your pastor you're at first maybe or you
know somebody in the church, because that church hurt everywhere, right,
And I think a lot of women we don't. We
don't sit down and have conversations about it, you know,
we I think women walk away. But you know, I
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just would ask them, we gotta, we gotta definitely talk
a little more about this. You know, I wouldn't push them.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
The church is a little bit more critical on women
than it is men, because if you from what I see,
I'm not no Bible thump in person, but I know
where I drew the line and I know who's was.
But there's some times in a situation to where a
man will step out of his marriage and he's the
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pastor in that same marriage, the woman is the one
that most people are looking down on as if she
did something wrong. But he'll still get up that next
Sunday morning, still be in that pastor, still getting that
pat still everyone saying great sermons. Now they may have
they murmurs and stuff, but it's her that they're looking
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at her that have to sit there throughout all of them.
And many times some of them do walk away, and
when they do, some people think it's she's shamed, she
did something wrong. What is your take on that?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Well, for one, I thank god that I didn't have
to ever experience that, because, for one, you know, my bishop,
Bishop Samuel S. Cooper a man of integrity, right, so
I know, even as him being a man in that retrospects,
as you know, as as being a pastor as well,
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I don't know. I don't have to worry about that, right,
So it's kind of hard to say, but I do believe,
of course that's even when you're not a pastor, if
you're not a first but whoever you are, it doesn't matter.
The woman ought for some reason, always gets always gets
(36:28):
to bleame and always get looked down on. And I
just think because it's first was the lack of the
sisterhood anyway, it's a lack of sisterhood right, it's easy.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Those are the ones that the talk, and it's the
woman that's doing.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
It's women, That's what I say.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
It's a lack of And the quietest cut is it's
so many avenues you could take with that. Is it
be jealousy, it be envy, it just be you know.
And I just believe too that these people who who
look down on the women like that, whether she's the
first lady and past, however it is, I believe that.
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M Okay, I wouldn't worried my stuff because you know
we're talking about you know, church and you know. But
I just think that we as women, even though it
seemed like we've we've come, you know, we come a
long way with the sisterhood and coming together, there's still
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a lot of separation out there. And I just feel
that a lot of times, we as women, we've let
our feelings get involved, our emotions get involved in these
things when really it's not it's not even that deep.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
No daily practices that you would recommend for.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Women, I think you you froze. Okay, you're back now.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Okay, now I'm frozen.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Right, we're back.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Now.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
What are the three daily practices you would recommend for
women seeking peace and joy.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Well, For one, I would say, stay grounded in your faith.
Keep God close in your life because that's the first thing, right,
whether it's reading your words, studying, your studying, your Bible, prayer, praise.
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Just make sure you have a relationship with Christ because
that's going to be number one. You can't do anything
else else, or you can't go through anything.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Else or light and thinking you want to endure without Him.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
So that's that's number one. And two practices I like
to do. I love to write right, So I tell
when I have people that and it has helped me sometime.
I used to and even sometimes that I have an overthinking.
I overthink things right. You know, I'm better now, but
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you know, sometimes you have those moments. So I always
tell people you know when you're overthinking in your mind,
it just seems like it's just moving at a pace
that you feel that you don't have control of it.
Especially let's say at night when you want to go
to sleep, I tell them to do I mean it
might have heard it before, but it works for me.
Do a brain dump right everything that you feel before
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you're going to bed, write it out right, Write everything
out that you feel and sometimes it don't even make sense,
don't even make but write it out and.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
To day, right before you came on, I was reading
a little bit more about you until your background, and
you spoke about ADHD.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
How can families.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Better support loved ones to a raising children with ADHD
or dealing with chronic illnesses? Because you spoke suicidal ideation,
How would you support or how can you a person
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support loved one to a raising children with ADHD or
dealing with the chronic illness.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Well, I can definitely speak on that because I could
speak on it from an experience standpoint. First of all,
you know, I raised I raised a child with ADHD
and I also raised a child to have juvenile who
were taught arthritis at a young age. So it was
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two separate you know times in my life. But also
I was diagnosed with lupus at age nineteen twenty something
like that. So throughout my life children I had a
chronic illness and I had to deal with mental is
more mental and chronic illness within my two children. So
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my main thing of how you know, I would tell
women who are going through that and these are moms,
you know, these are parents that are going through that
because it's I It is not easy at all. It's
very hard. But with us as parents who deal with
children with special needs, who deal with children with chronic
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illness and experiencing our own, we have to come besides God.
We have to make sure we're putting ourselves first so
we can be effective advocates for our children. So that
means taking care of yourself emotionally, emotional, spiritually, mentally, physically, physically,
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because you will not be able to be emotionally available
available to your children without taking care of yourself first.
Another thing I was saying to a mom, make sure
you educate yourself about your illness and about the needs
of what your children have, whether that's ADHD, whether that's
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you know, some other chronic illness, make sure you understand
what those things look like, right so you have a
better understanding of the child that you're dealing with. When
it came down to ADHD, had I not did my research,
had I not you know, been willing to to to
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learn more about the child I was raising, and I
had to understand I couldn't raise him the way I
raised a child Without it, you gotta deal with the total.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
They feel different.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
They different.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
They are different, right, but not in a bad way.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
And they just they're just children. That's that's different than
what another child maybe, but you can't raise it. So
I would just tell him to get the education, take
care of yourself, get the education.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
And it's very important. They're they're living with this and
a lot of times they're treated differently. But I want
to knowledge some of the people. It came on. We
had DD who said good morning, a good event to
people to us, Charlotte Simon and here and she says,
hello everybody. We have Diamond Garrett, who says Charlie Ray
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and you may know that is very yeah, okay, go
ahead again says he meant to a combinature of Dame
earlier the Trees Brimble hey, hey, hey, that's her signature.
There you go, and Tabda again said amen to something
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that you had stayed in early as well as dining
and doctor Caroon Stephen said, hey, coach Tisha. Charlotte Sinon said,
it's true, it is still indirectly Tabba. Yeah, so I
guess you may be talking with it's something that you
had spoke about earlier, but just about everything you spoke
about his tablet, especially when you talk about things in
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the black community. She says, exactly, pray about pray about,
pray about it. She's shaking her head, Doctor calling Stephens saying,
that's right, so I can imagine that head going back
and forth. She said, very well, we all having a
very bad connection, but we're powering through. We got it
(44:51):
again from a few other people stating that it's a
bad connection. But I think you offer powering through and
I think you may be coming on my end, and
I I have no idea why, because anything else or
Tiffany Green says that she's so happy for her sister.
Keisha Charlotte again says a man and that she had
(45:12):
a plan, shaking her head, but god till I think
that she may have been in a situation that you
may have once found yourself in. And she says, say
that because you came out and you said that just
what you needed to say, say the same thing, say that, coach,
Keisha Charlotte says, talking right again. Doctor Callan says, that's right.
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Black it's called a double standard. Yes it is. And
I know exactly what to me and we're talking about that,
not even pointing out any particular past. I'm just saying
that it happens in church. And also Charlotte says, come
on now talking to you. And also doctor Callen says,
one of my sisters in ministry was just talking about
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that tonight. So it is been happening and we have
been talking about it, but we're talking about it just
Gosha and Barbara Jones.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
That's my mother.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
And she and she and the Bronx as well.
Speaker 5 (46:18):
That Barbara Johnson, that's my mother. She's in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Okay, so you god just not from New York. Do
you see how we say things like you'll say Manhattan,
we'll say Queens, you'll say Brook, But when you say Bronx,
you say the Bronx.
Speaker 5 (46:34):
Place like it.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
And that's why you say Bronx. Have people ask that question,
why do they say doub bronps.
Speaker 5 (46:41):
It has been bro.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
It's happy, But you can't say Bronx. You say, tell
you what if you lived there, you visit there, That's exactly.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
What it is. That's right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
I just wanted every just to know with hand word,
Doug Broms, that's what we're talking about. But you had
mentioned living with lupus. And supporting family ADHD. It does
come with challenges. What has resilians looked like in your
own life when you had to deal with I know
you mentioned raising two children, and I don't like the
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word disabilities, I'll say inabilities and the right thing.
Speaker 9 (47:25):
Right challenges, Oh my challenge, challenges And what has resilians
looked like in your own life?
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Well, some of.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
My own challenges At the time when I was going
through them, A lot of times I felt a lonely,
I felt shameful, I felt guilt. Guilt came from like
feeling like you're thinking it's something you did wrong to
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to have to watch your children go through certain things,
or even for you yourself to be diagnosed with order
immune you know illness which lupus is so for me,
those those were the feelings. That's why I think I'm
so I'm so hard on the fact that I love
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to work with women who will, you know, share with
me and disclose to me that you know they have
some shame, they have some blame. You know, I blame myself.
But when all actuality, it came down to when you
when you learn more.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
That's why I said education is very important.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
You come to realize that that battle that you're battling,
it's not your fault, right, you know, it's it's it's
it's just what life threw at you at the moment. Right.
But I always believe God is not going to put
more than on me than I can handle. And he didn't,
right because, like I said, I'm still here and I
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was even to endure during those experiences for my children.
Because had I not been able to endure, where would
my children be? Where would they be? So those are
some of the challenges, you know, that I dealt with,
And like I said before, you know, I believe that
I came out of those challenges and I was able
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to be resilient, you know, with those challenges. You know,
during those challenges, it's because I found ways to cope
with it. I found ways to exhaust my support system.
I made sure most of the time that they knew
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what was going on. So, like I said, I had
a support system, And that's very important in everything that
you go through, especially if you're you happen to be
a mom or a parent that has an illness yourself
or has a mental inability to yourself, but raising children
with the same type of issues you need a support system.
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You need somebody that you could talk because you need
somebody that you can rely on because without the poor system,
uh uh, you know, without the supports system, and God,
I don't think I would I wouldn't have made it,
that's far. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
So I know that I spoke about the church earlier,
but there that's one of the places that you can
go to a lot of resources. You know, people are
not just sitting in the pews holding their Bibles. They're
holding a lot of knowledge as well. So you can't
go to the church. I apologize if anybody think I
was making the light of a pastor or church. It's
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just that that's just reality. It happens, it says it
could be something else with a school teacher and how
they are harder on the men than they are the women.
So running share form fashion, it just depends on what
profession when you're talking about you got some professionals equally
you know, as as bad for both sexes on anything.
(51:05):
But I want to ask you what is next for you,
whether it's a queen coaching or the butterfly movement or
even your writing, what's next for you?
Speaker 5 (51:15):
Well, I'm definitely even though my book hasn't can't come out,
came out yet. I'm definitely definitely on a road right
now to write another book, right because I know I
have more book than me, I have more to share.
I want to speak, I want to talk more about
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this life of emotional wellness before. The simple factor is
I don't disregard the mental part because we we's kind
of interchangeable. But they both are two separate, two separate insities, right,
two separate ways of living, right, But we need them
both in order to survive. So I just want to
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continue to share. You know, you just know, everybody just
no part of my story. There's so many more, right,
And I believe that by telling my stories and and
and allowing people to hear what I've been through and
what and where I'm at now, where I.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
Was able to come through and thrive through.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
And again I lead back to that, you know, going
through all of the pain during my pressure and at
the same time having peace, all of that came. All
of that wasn't easy. All of that came with a price, right,
And I just wanted to let people know that, you know,
it can happen for them too.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Yes, indeed, it definitely can Keisha, if you couldn't leave
one message that women carry with them long after this interview,
what would it be?
Speaker 5 (52:46):
Hm, I would say to them, you know, you know
you're healing. Healing doesn't just happen, you know. I'm gonna
I'm going to put it towards writing and creative writing.
(53:07):
Healing doesn't come from just the words that you read, right.
Healing comes from you walking through what you're going through
right and and coming out on the other side. So
I want women to know that when you feel something,
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say something, because suppression, emotions, the person how you feel
can cause you not to be available for the ones
that really need you. That's about.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
Thank you of your book, Access Denied Under the Battle.
Please please, I'll hit that book store here. I guess yes,
need to be on to get that book because it
sounds likely to win it to me. Yeah, I not
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to grave the White the Mother the New News to
reminded us that emotional and mental wellness should be a conversation.
Speaker 6 (54:27):
And not a secret. I think you, Froze.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
I want to learn more about a piece or grab
a copy of her book, Access to nine to Render
the Battle. Make sure to follow her journey and connect
with her movement. Please connect with her movement. As always,
I want to thank you for tuning into Basic Black
After Dark, where we meet you exactly what you need,
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So i'll I want to join. I want you to
join me on Sunday because that's a special day. That's
my birthday. So I want anybody to join me on
Sunday if you can. It's at eight pm. I'm gonna
spend that day with somebody very special who I've been
known for over sixty years. That's my mom. I'm going
(55:22):
to spend that day with her. So I just want
everybody to know that I chose that day because I
also wanted to spend it with each one of you,
because I know you have birthdays when you're on the show,
and I don't know them until afterwards. So I'm sharing
my birthday with everybody. They say happy birthday to everyone,
especially all the Libras. Happy birthday. Of course, I'm going
(55:43):
to say we're the best sign because I'm a Libra.
We stay balanced, at least we try to, at least
I do. And I saw Charlotte and it said, that's right,
the Bronx. That's right, Charlotte, the Bronx. So she's also
a New Yorker, and I believe she's from the Brons,
so shall also says, good evening, my beautiful sisters, Good
(56:05):
evening to you, thank you for joining. If anybody want
to see this again, catching in the nuggets that Keisha
has been dropping all night long, please watch the replay.
Stay in contact with Keisha because I believe that there
is more to come. Oh Heaverny birthday, Thank you another diamond.
Oh thank you. Wait till explosive you become, because I
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believe that's what's coming next. So thank you, everybody, thank you,
thank you, thank you, and thank you for keeping it basic.
Good night anymore,
Ladies and gentlemen, May I have your attention please? The
show stops in Live Day seventh six five four three
(00:38):
Suit one go.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to Basic Black after Dark.
I'm your host, Black Diamond, and Tonight we're joined by
a powerful woman whose work is transforming live supports to clothe.
Keisha Johnson McRae is a certified life and transformation coach.
She is a wife, a mother, a proud grandmother, affectionately
(01:10):
called Nun, and the founder of Queen Coaching LLC and
a Beautiful Butterfly Queen movement. Her signature message emotional and
mental illness should be a conversation now to see child,
I think we see healing. Kisha and powers Black Christian women,
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especially those raising children with ADHD and navigating chronicles to
move beyond emotional overwhelmed, restore hope, and embrace peace. She's
also the author of Access, Denied, Surrender the Battle, a
poetry collection Blending testimony. I gotta see that it's blending testimony,
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faith and healing. With her gift the empathy, Kisha meets
women exactly where they are, igniting transformation and speaking life
into broken places. Tonight we get to sit down with
Keisha to talk about her journey, her mission, and the
movement she's building. Welcome Keisha to Basic Black Afterdog. I
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think we have a little bit of trouble hearing you
because you're going in and out. Yeah, I can hear you, now,
can you hear me clear? I think we may be behind.
Maybe mister, you can't hear me at all. Oh, you're
(02:44):
telling your music well and know the music has stopped playing,
So I'm not sure what that is. I'm not sure
what that is. But what I want everybody to know
is who is Keisha Johnson mcgrae Behind titles, the coach,
the author, the wife, and the new who are you?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
She may need to go out and come back here.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, the producer said, go out, go out and come
back in.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, my apologies to everyone. This happens, especially with this
weather changing the way that it is. We are in
two different areas. Sometimes I'm off line, sometimes they may
be offline. But if you just hold on, I guarantee
you're going to have a great show tonight. She has
a lot to offer, as I read earlier, being not
just a wife and a mother, She is an author,
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she is a coach, and she has these programs that
she's running transformation programs with speaking Life into Broken Places.
She's the author of Access Denied to Render the Battle,
And I am so interested in getting down into this
and this is from pain to piece and exclusive conversation
with us. So I'm so glad to be able to
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have her on my show tonight, to be able to
break through all of this. Yeah, here, can you hear me?
You can hear me now? Okay, I think I can
hear you a little bit better. But I was asking
you before you had had to go out, who exactly
(04:27):
is Keisha Johnson mcray behind the titles of being a coach, author,
wife and your new note? Well, uh, I love you,
I love growing up.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
And I just stiel I was chosen, I was chosen
or emotion my journey with journey, and overcame it say
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now who's now who's open to be?
Speaker 6 (05:11):
For God? For God?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah? I can catch like every other word of what
you're saying. I don't really don't know what's going on
with the let me see because well she's checking on
that high good evening d D Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Can you have her to check her browser because she
has something else open, it's gonna echo.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
She has an echo right now.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
So when she comes back on, tell her to make
sure that she has anything else open because she has
a couple of browsers open.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
To close now so that it does not echo.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Does Thank you, Hi, Charlotte, thank you for chiming in
hoping that you guys enjoy tonight's So I'm excited to
have Keisha on here tonight. She is a poet, so
we're hoping that maybe we should get her to say
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a little something. Keisha, if you have any browsers that's open,
you may want to close them because we get an
echo every once in a while from you.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Oh yeah, okay, okay, yeah, I can hear you.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
My my speakers on the mob, so that could have been.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah, I can definitely hear you lot better than now
you were telling me who he said, Johnson McGray is
beyond the titles that you have with your the culture
or the White And you know, I was definitely want
to ask you about that new New. Is that a
name that your grandchildren gave you or you just wanted
to be called new?
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Well? Actually I only have one grand baby right now.
Baby right now, and it's it's Her name is Miracle.
And she named me. She named me. I kept trying
to get her to say Glama and all these little,
you know, cute names, but she named me. She gave
me the name. I said, I was gonna take it.
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I was gonna take it.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Hey, our grandchildren speak, they speak, that's right. So I'm
I'm gonna ask you. Can you share the finding moment
in your personal life that led you towards coaching and
your transformation work.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
I think it was it was It was more so
I would say it came around maybe like twenty twenty one.
For one, my my sister had gotten sick.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
She was battling colon cancer.
Speaker 5 (08:10):
And during that time time I was able to be
solace to her during the moments of uncertainty that she
would have. And that right there that changed me in
so many ways. You know, I knew it was nothing
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but God because of my emotional overwhelm that I used
to suffer with, right the emotional exhaustion I used to
go through, the emotional dramatic experiences I used to have
when there was loss in the family, just a lot
of dramatic things that used to go on in my life.
So to be able to be a solid foundation for
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her during that time really really caused me to want
to do more for women. Wanted to do more for
you know, like I said, you know, dealing with Christian women,
I know a lot of times we are silenced about
a lot of things. So I knew for me coaching, mentoring,
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being an advocate because I'm an advocate for emotional and
mental you know, health, because I dealt with it with
both of them, right and you know, even now, a
lot of it is still emotionally faceted in my life, right,
but I'm able to handle it better. Right. So I
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just feel that God chose me to be solid for her.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
He chose me to be.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Someone in her life that she could count on during
those times because she had to she had to support.
But for some reason, my sister wanted to rely on me,
and I knew that I not had been healed from
the emotional exhaustion and overwhelming my life, I would not
have been able to be that for her during that time.
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And that right there also was the reason that I
felt that I needed to be the voice for those
women who assignment and mainly I think for me it's
Christian women because you know, I'm a believer. I believe
in God with all my heart, and I know there
is a God because he saved my life. You know,
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a younger sister, I think I would say I'm over
in the middle. Yeah, because I have an older Yeah,
I'm speaking of I'm the oldest. Yeah. Yeah, you would
have thought she was the onest, but I'm the old.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
On your personal journey and your identity, what does Queen's
spelt with a K mean to you personally?
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Well, that that was a journey on its own. I
don't know why God gave me that the k w
e e N, but he did, but for some reason
reason because I didn't seek him.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Like I needed to seek him to get validity on it.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I was trying to think of things that that meant
just because of I guess the cliche of k w
e e N. And it was only maybe about about
a He gave me kingdom embracing emotional newness, which fit
me to a t because it was it was my tribe.
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It was the women that I'm seeking to support and
their journey to their emotional healing. Right, So that's it,
Queen k w e e N and I and I
stand on that with everything in me good.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
So you speak openly about Christian faith. How is face
taking your journey of healing and helping others?
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Could you repeat that question again?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
I'm saying, you speak openly about your Christian faith. Yes,
how is faith shake your journey of healing and helping others?
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Well, I'm able to understand how God saved my life
and save and rescue me from things that I mean,
most women.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
How can I put it?
Speaker 5 (12:28):
God saved me from myself. Let's put it. I'm gonna
put it like that because I know it wasn't me,
because the suicidal ideation in the past and all of
the emotional trauma that I went through, And this is
not trauma. This wasn't trauma that I went through because
of certain things. Maybe that was so traumatizing in my life,
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But when you think of trauma, everybody's trauma is different, right,
everybody's trauma is different. But for me, emotionally, my emotions,
I couldn't manage my emotions right. So I knew that
I had no choice but to lay my life down
to God. Right. I had to get one. That night.
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I was going through so much and I just laid
my life to him in the middle of my floor.
And it was only then that I surrendered. That's what
access denized, surrendered the battle. I surrendered my whole life
to him, right which I had no choice but to
stand on him and not not on myself. So I
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believe my faith is a is a whole hoary part
of my life because I know I wouldn't be where
I am today without my Lord Jesus Christ. I would not.
I would not.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
And how is the spiritually and emotionally grounded when you
when life feels well.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Back to back to my faith? You know, you know
I have I have people. I have a great support
system emotionally, spiritually, physically. You know, I have a huge
support system, which many people cannot say that they have. Right,
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So I'm able to lean on them. I'm able to.
I wouldn't say put everything on them, but I'm able to.
I have people I can talk to. I have people
I can trust, right, I have people that I can confide.
And I have a bishop, right, I have a first lady,
you know, So I have close birfriends like sisters that
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if I just want to have a conversation, whatever it's about, emotionally,
my emotions, spiritually, spiritually speaking. But I have a huge
support system and I think that's something that's very important,
which a lot of women, Christian women, women.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Alone, do not have. And I'm just fortunate to have
that to have that.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
So I want to talk a little bit about your
coaching and the Queen movement. Tell us about the Queen
Coaching LLC, and what makes your approach.
Speaker 8 (15:06):
You need.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
You fro I'm saying, I wanted to talk a little
bit about coaching and the Queen movement. Tell us about
the queen coaching and what makes your approach unique.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Okay, So as far as the which is two different things,
the Queen Movement is actually called the Beautiful Butterfly Queen Movement.
That's the movement itself, and the Beautiful Butterfly Queen Movement
was birthed out of the pain, my pain, I would say,
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to my purpose when it came down to my sister
the last days of her life. So my nickname is.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Beautiful, that's what our mother named us.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
And my sister nickname is black butterfly. It was back
black butterfly. So I put I intertwined, I put them
both together and I just added the queen which was
already there anyway, because it just was a fit, right,
It just it just made sense because a lot of
things that my sister went through, you know, I experienced,
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and we was just really yop that way. So it
just made sense. And as far as the Queen Coaching LLC,
that's just the the culching and the mentoring and advocacy
in itself. Right, So if someone decides that they would
want like to hire me with like some advocacy when
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it came down to mental health or emotional health, that's
where that falls in, you know that. But the movement
movement is separate from the actual business.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Beautiful the Beautiful Queen movement. It's a powerful name. Yeah,
is that movement present? Besides just that, it's something else
that represents as well, both of you and between you
and your sister.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
I would I would say that it represents spiritual transformation
because then it all boils down to my Before my
sister passed away, she she went through a very she
went through a spiritual transformation like never before we we
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it was just unheard of because of where she was
in her life. So seeing that I knew that there
was a God, I knew that God, no matter where
he was at in your life, no matter what.
Speaker 6 (17:44):
She was going through.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
My sister actually went through her pain and the pressure
of the pain, and at the same time she had peace.
I watched her go through that. So my move this
movement is it is more than just a movement, right,
It's it's a it's a lifestyle. It's a lifestyle.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
So what are some common struggles that you see African
American Christian women facing.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Well? For one, even though emotional and mental health is
spoken of now more than it was before, I still
think in the African American and Christian community, a lot
of us we won't speak on it, right, I think
we're more afraid again even being Christian women were afraid
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because I went through it myself, even being afraid to
come to UH to share that you're struggling emotionally or
you're struggling mentally because you know you're thinking, someone would
say to you, well, if you believe in God, why
are you struggling, why emotionally you're going through this? Just
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take it to God. When I can, I understand, and
I and even for anyone who's going through something emostly
on mental you can yeah, we take it to God,
but it does not deviate from the fact that we're
feeling what we're feeling, right, and that's it right. There
a lot of times we it's almost like we don't
get permission to feel in order for us to heal.
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And I just feel like, for me, I'm going I'm
gonna be that.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Boy practical coaching tools with spiritual empowerment. Say it again,
how do you balance your practical coaching tools with spiritual empowerment?
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Well, I actually yeah, because I actually do both. Because
you have to do both, right. You can't have the
practical without the spiritual. You can't have spirit without the
practically because there's gonna be some things that you do
or that you have to help people through in order
for them to be healing them to How can I
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say them to go through their own transformation? Right?
Speaker 6 (20:11):
I have to.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I have to marry the two. You know, there's no
such thing of me giving you spirituals or some type
of spiritual coaching or mentoring or advocacy, and the tools
itself are going to be practical. There's going to be
some tools that's not going to be Christian or not
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going to be spiritual, but we have to add the men.
So it's just the fact that, you know, when I
speak to people, I let people know that I'm you know,
women know I'm a believer, right, So whatever I speak
to you about, it's going to involve God. But at
the same time, I understand the steps that I might
have to give you in order to move forward or
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going to Some times it's gonna be mixed with both,
but the practical is definitely it has to be in it.
It's no such.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Can you see a story that actually transformed you from
a client something that really impacted you without giving the
client's name.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
A client's issue, Well, I'd have been a client that
came to you and they discussed something.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And it had a great deal of impact on you.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
I I had a young lady a couple of actually
a couple of years ago.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
And.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
She was going through something in her marriage. She was
going through something in her marriage. It seemed like the
person was in and out right and for me at
that you know, it's strange because for me that time
I had some things going on too, right, So her
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situation impacted me a lot. Because when we're sitting in
something we and someone come to us with that same problem.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Sometimes we think that we cannot help them, we're.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
No good to them because we're going through our own
personal personal endeavor, right. But for me, it impacted me
because I still was able to I wouldn't say give
her advice, but I still gave her the opportunity to
make a choice because the things that she was going
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through weren't what I was going through. But she we
both was married, right, So I was able to to
I would say I was just I was able to
to to be her. I wouldn't say voice, but I
was able to speak to her in a way to
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where she was able to really figure out what she
wanted to do on her own on her own. And
that was an impact on me because that was kind
of hard for me. But at the same time, I
wasn't going through the exact same thing she was going through,
but I was also married and going through my own
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things at the time.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
So you're writing and creative expression. Your book access Denied
to Render the Battle. It blends poetry, faith, and testimony.
What inspired this project?
Speaker 5 (23:40):
I'm going to say that the inspiration behind this was
basically me trying to be the voice for the well.
First of all, I always.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Come to me first.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Right.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
This book also was therapy for me because it gave
me a chance to speak about everything that I felt,
everything that I felt was being done to me, everything
that I may have seen that I just could not
speak to anyone about. I was able to put it
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in words, right. It was in words and the words
that I used during my when I was writing it
was it was therapy for me. And I was actually
like almost like talking to my book, right, I was
talking to the book and it just it's expression.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
Right.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
A lot of a lot of women, Christian women, we
go through things and we suppressed emotions. We suppressed these
feelings that we're having and we do not.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Want to talk about them. So I was bold enough.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
I felt I was bold enough to be that voice
because I feel that everything that's in access denied, someone
is going to find and something in that that they're
actually going through and know that they can come out
of it. Because in the beginning of my poetry would
I would write about the feeling, but in an end
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I express how God brought me through it and that
He could bring them through it too. But each poem
is different, each poem is different, So do you.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
See your writing as a form of healing for you
as well as in your clients.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Yes, I do, Yes, I do. In what way I
feel that it's healing. It's giving them permission to heal
because it's giving them permission to feel. It's giving them
permission to understand that whether you're Christian, whether you whoever
you are, that it's possible for you to get through
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it's possible for you to have peace during the process
and doing the pressure that you're going through. And I
am a I'm a firm believer, and I am definitely
a right here, I'm here right I shouldn't be here.
I shouldn't be here, I shouldn't be here. So I
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believe that my book is going to definitely be a
healing space for women. It's different. My book is very
different because my book it has what you call instead
of chapters, I call them gates instead of chapters.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I I love that you use permission. And I love
when theraughp parents and coaches use the word permission when
they're because I feel it's those very important for them
to understand that they can give them self permission. They
don't have to wait for somebody else to get it.
But you said something just now that I wanted to
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ask you. You said that you shouldn't be here. What
did you mean by that?
Speaker 5 (26:59):
I mean, okay, So I think I'm gonna leave that
to way back when in my life I went through
suicidal ideation. Now for me knowing what I know now,
and I say, yeah, that was just the enemy trying
to trying to get rid of me because he knew
what God, the clans that God had on my life,
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and the calling that he had on my life. So
I was at a point where I don't know what
it was. I didn't want to live. Every day I
walked through the train station, something would say to me,
jump the track, and I think that's why, to this
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day that I will. I'm so afraid to even go
close to the edge, right, I'm very afraid. And I
have to admit that I asked God to deliver that
from you. But I'm petrified. And I think because it's
a trigger to go back to those feelings. Not that
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I want to do it, but the trigger back to
those feelings that I was feeling, and in those moments,
I can remember them, you know, like like it's like
it happened yesterday. Right. So that's why I said, because
I could have I could have easily I could have
took my life. But it was just something I only
had the thought. I never had the plan, But it
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was just something about when I would walk through something
I mainly there was a lot of times it was
the train station. I don't know what it was with
the train station, but that would want to be what
it be hit by a train. I always say that.
But God rescue me for that because he didn't allow
me to go through it.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
From when I wanted to say, I'm glad you're here,
I'm glad. I'm very happy that you were so transparent
with it. But I'm gonna tell you, anybody that's been
in New York be in the train stations looking at
the plan when you train to come through, it's a
scary thing. Whether you're contemplating or not. That's just something.
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They got those poles in there standing between them wait
for the because it seems like it's a safe space.
Tell me somebody from New York, I knows it ain't
no joking. You got plenty of platforms and it's always
bringing to people. Then you gotta I'm not trying to
scare anybody from being in New York or going there.
It's just that we're.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Telling you that line out there is therefore.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Don't go too far, and the trains door gonna stay
open for a little while longer because there's a lot
of people down and they got to come and go
or take that bag and throw it in between and
that go. If you gotta let go that that's that
the subway system.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
For You know, if you had to.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Then say something about your book in three words, what
would it be? How would you describe your book in
three words?
Speaker 5 (30:01):
Oh, authentic, transparent, and vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Okay, And you shared every one of those things with us.
You definitely seem to be authentic. You definitely appear to
be transparent, and I appreciate that. You don't have many
people that's so transparent that would just come forward and
to be able to speak their peace and just be
so comfortable with doing that. So it seems as though
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it's not a practice that you have. It's a natural
that you and I appreciate that. Why do you believe
if you believe at all emotional and mental wellness has
been such a secret in our community?
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Well, first of all, they both yeah, they both work together.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
You know, I feel they both work together because they
are lot of us I think, and it could be
culture wise, it can be fear of the unknown of
what what's going to come about if the transparency is
there or if they share. And like I said again,
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especially in the Christian community, I really feel that, you know,
when you think about these things, I feel that we
maybe maybe at some point that our communities or even
even church homes can have some type of separate uh.
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I guess like some type of separate somebody we can
go to regarding just that right mental we could talk
to them about our mental health, you know, because a
lot of times, you know, people tournament between spiritual counseling
or coaching then it is you know, practical coaching. So
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for me even I even feel they both live together
because I feel that God didn't put psychiatrists counselors on
this earth just just to sit here and not serve
the people, whether we're Christian or not. But I do
believe that Christian counseling needs to be a part best
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if you're a believer, it needs to be a part
of your life. But at the same time, you got
to get the help.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
That you need regardless, if you can't.
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Get Christian counselor, you're don't have to go out on
the limit and get some counselor, because yeah, you don't
want to find yourself on the other side before that time.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
So many people have walked away from their faith. And
I wouldn't say which faith they are, but so many
people have walked away from their faith they stopped believing.
How do you work with a client that will sit
in front of you and said, had walked away from
my faith and I don't even know why I'm sitting here.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Mm hmm. Well, if I had someone that I never
had that experience, but if I did have someone who
came to me and indicated that if they're sitting in
front of me, there's a feeling behind that, right, But
then they didn't totally walk away from it because they
wouldn't be sitting in front of me, especially if they
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already know that I'm a believer, right, they already know
I'm I'm a believer. So I'm going to ask them
to unpack that for me. I want to know. I
want to know more about that what happened. What happens
is always it's always a situation or an experience that
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causes us to make certain decisions. So what let's unpack
that together, like what happened, because sometimes it's misunderstanding. Sometimes
we emotionally jump the gun maybe what somebody said or
what they meant before having a conversation with them and
letting them know how you felt because of what they said,
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whether it's your pastor you're at first maybe or you
know somebody in the church, because that church hurt everywhere, right,
And I think a lot of women we don't. We
don't sit down and have conversations about it, you know,
we I think women walk away. But you know, I
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just would ask them, we gotta, we gotta definitely talk
a little more about this. You know, I wouldn't push them.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
The church is a little bit more critical on women
than it is men, because if you from what I see,
I'm not no Bible thump in person, but I know
where I drew the line and I know who's was.
But there's some times in a situation to where a
man will step out of his marriage and he's the
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pastor in that same marriage, the woman is the one
that most people are looking down on as if she
did something wrong. But he'll still get up that next
Sunday morning, still be in that pastor, still getting that
pat still everyone saying great sermons. Now they may have
they murmurs and stuff, but it's her that they're looking
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at her that have to sit there throughout all of them.
And many times some of them do walk away, and
when they do, some people think it's she's shamed, she
did something wrong. What is your take on that?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Well, for one, I thank god that I didn't have
to ever experience that, because, for one, you know, my bishop,
Bishop Samuel S. Cooper a man of integrity, right, so
I know, even as him being a man in that retrospects,
as you know, as as being a pastor as well,
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I don't know. I don't have to worry about that, right,
So it's kind of hard to say, but I do believe,
of course that's even when you're not a pastor, if
you're not a first but whoever you are, it doesn't matter.
The woman ought for some reason, always gets always gets
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to bleame and always get looked down on. And I
just think because it's first was the lack of the
sisterhood anyway, it's a lack of sisterhood right, it's easy.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Those are the ones that the talk, and it's the
woman that's doing.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
It's women, That's what I say.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
It's a lack of And the quietest cut is it's
so many avenues you could take with that. Is it
be jealousy, it be envy, it just be you know.
And I just believe too that these people who who
look down on the women like that, whether she's the
first lady and past, however it is, I believe that.
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M Okay, I wouldn't worried my stuff because you know
we're talking about you know, church and you know. But
I just think that we as women, even though it
seemed like we've we've come, you know, we come a
long way with the sisterhood and coming together, there's still
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a lot of separation out there. And I just feel
that a lot of times, we as women, we've let
our feelings get involved, our emotions get involved in these
things when really it's not it's not even that deep.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
No daily practices that you would recommend for.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Women, I think you you froze. Okay, you're back now.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Okay, now I'm frozen.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Right, we're back.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Now.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
What are the three daily practices you would recommend for
women seeking peace and joy.
Speaker 5 (38:29):
Well, For one, I would say, stay grounded in your faith.
Keep God close in your life because that's the first thing, right,
whether it's reading your words, studying, your studying, your Bible, prayer, praise.
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Just make sure you have a relationship with Christ because
that's going to be number one. You can't do anything
else else, or you can't go through anything.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Else or light and thinking you want to endure without Him.
Speaker 5 (39:06):
So that's that's number one. And two practices I like
to do. I love to write right, So I tell
when I have people that and it has helped me sometime.
I used to and even sometimes that I have an overthinking.
I overthink things right. You know, I'm better now, but
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you know, sometimes you have those moments. So I always
tell people you know when you're overthinking in your mind,
it just seems like it's just moving at a pace
that you feel that you don't have control of it.
Especially let's say at night when you want to go
to sleep, I tell them to do I mean it
might have heard it before, but it works for me.
Do a brain dump right everything that you feel before
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you're going to bed, write it out right, Write everything
out that you feel and sometimes it don't even make sense,
don't even make but write it out and.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
To day, right before you came on, I was reading
a little bit more about you until your background, and
you spoke about ADHD.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
How can families.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Better support loved ones to a raising children with ADHD
or dealing with chronic illnesses? Because you spoke suicidal ideation,
How would you support or how can you a person
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support loved one to a raising children with ADHD or
dealing with the chronic illness.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
Well, I can definitely speak on that because I could
speak on it from an experience standpoint. First of all,
you know, I raised I raised a child with ADHD
and I also raised a child to have juvenile who
were taught arthritis at a young age. So it was
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two separate you know times in my life. But also
I was diagnosed with lupus at age nineteen twenty something
like that. So throughout my life children I had a
chronic illness and I had to deal with mental is
more mental and chronic illness within my two children. So
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my main thing of how you know, I would tell
women who are going through that and these are moms,
you know, these are parents that are going through that
because it's I It is not easy at all. It's
very hard. But with us as parents who deal with
children with special needs, who deal with children with chronic
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illness and experiencing our own, we have to come besides God.
We have to make sure we're putting ourselves first so
we can be effective advocates for our children. So that
means taking care of yourself emotionally, emotional, spiritually, mentally, physically, physically,
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because you will not be able to be emotionally available
available to your children without taking care of yourself first.
Another thing I was saying to a mom, make sure
you educate yourself about your illness and about the needs
of what your children have, whether that's ADHD, whether that's
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you know, some other chronic illness, make sure you understand
what those things look like, right so you have a
better understanding of the child that you're dealing with. When
it came down to ADHD, had I not did my research,
had I not you know, been willing to to to
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learn more about the child I was raising, and I
had to understand I couldn't raise him the way I
raised a child Without it, you gotta deal with the total.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
They feel different.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
They different.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
They are different, right, but not in a bad way.
Speaker 5 (43:12):
And they just they're just children. That's that's different than
what another child maybe, but you can't raise it. So
I would just tell him to get the education, take
care of yourself, get the education.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
And it's very important. They're they're living with this and
a lot of times they're treated differently. But I want
to knowledge some of the people. It came on. We
had DD who said good morning, a good event to
people to us, Charlotte Simon and here and she says,
hello everybody. We have Diamond Garrett, who says Charlie Ray
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and you may know that is very yeah, okay, go
ahead again says he meant to a combinature of Dame
earlier the Trees Brimble hey, hey, hey, that's her signature.
There you go, and Tabda again said amen to something
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that you had stayed in early as well as dining
and doctor Caroon Stephen said, hey, coach Tisha. Charlotte Sinon said,
it's true, it is still indirectly Tabba. Yeah, so I
guess you may be talking with it's something that you
had spoke about earlier, but just about everything you spoke
about his tablet, especially when you talk about things in
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the black community. She says, exactly, pray about pray about,
pray about it. She's shaking her head, Doctor calling Stephens saying,
that's right, so I can imagine that head going back
and forth. She said, very well, we all having a
very bad connection, but we're powering through. We got it
(44:51):
again from a few other people stating that it's a
bad connection. But I think you offer powering through and
I think you may be coming on my end, and
I I have no idea why, because anything else or
Tiffany Green says that she's so happy for her sister.
Keisha Charlotte again says a man and that she had
(45:12):
a plan, shaking her head, but god till I think
that she may have been in a situation that you
may have once found yourself in. And she says, say
that because you came out and you said that just
what you needed to say, say the same thing, say that, coach,
Keisha Charlotte says, talking right again. Doctor Callan says, that's right.
(45:35):
Black it's called a double standard. Yes it is. And
I know exactly what to me and we're talking about that,
not even pointing out any particular past. I'm just saying
that it happens in church. And also Charlotte says, come
on now talking to you. And also doctor Callen says,
one of my sisters in ministry was just talking about
(45:58):
that tonight. So it is been happening and we have
been talking about it, but we're talking about it just
Gosha and Barbara Jones.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
That's my mother.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
And she and she and the Bronx as well.
Speaker 5 (46:18):
That Barbara Johnson, that's my mother. She's in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
Okay, so you god just not from New York. Do
you see how we say things like you'll say Manhattan,
we'll say Queens, you'll say Brook, But when you say Bronx,
you say the Bronx.
Speaker 5 (46:34):
Place like it.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
And that's why you say Bronx. Have people ask that question,
why do they say doub bronps.
Speaker 5 (46:41):
It has been bro.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
It's happy, But you can't say Bronx. You say, tell
you what if you lived there, you visit there, That's exactly.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
What it is. That's right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
I just wanted every just to know with hand word,
Doug Broms, that's what we're talking about. But you had
mentioned living with lupus. And supporting family ADHD. It does
come with challenges. What has resilians looked like in your
own life when you had to deal with I know
you mentioned raising two children, and I don't like the
(47:20):
word disabilities, I'll say inabilities and the right thing.
Speaker 9 (47:25):
Right challenges, Oh my challenge, challenges And what has resilians
looked like in your own life?
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Well, some of.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
My own challenges At the time when I was going
through them, A lot of times I felt a lonely,
I felt shameful, I felt guilt. Guilt came from like
feeling like you're thinking it's something you did wrong to
(48:01):
to have to watch your children go through certain things,
or even for you yourself to be diagnosed with order
immune you know illness which lupus is so for me,
those those were the feelings. That's why I think I'm
so I'm so hard on the fact that I love
(48:21):
to work with women who will, you know, share with
me and disclose to me that you know they have
some shame, they have some blame. You know, I blame myself.
But when all actuality, it came down to when you
when you learn more.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
That's why I said education is very important.
Speaker 5 (48:37):
You come to realize that that battle that you're battling,
it's not your fault, right, you know, it's it's it's
it's just what life threw at you at the moment. Right.
But I always believe God is not going to put
more than on me than I can handle. And he didn't,
right because, like I said, I'm still here and I
(48:59):
was even to endure during those experiences for my children.
Because had I not been able to endure, where would
my children be? Where would they be? So those are
some of the challenges, you know, that I dealt with,
And like I said before, you know, I believe that
I came out of those challenges and I was able
(49:21):
to be resilient, you know, with those challenges. You know,
during those challenges, it's because I found ways to cope
with it. I found ways to exhaust my support system.
I made sure most of the time that they knew
(49:42):
what was going on. So, like I said, I had
a support system, And that's very important in everything that
you go through, especially if you're you happen to be
a mom or a parent that has an illness yourself
or has a mental inability to yourself, but raising children
with the same type of issues you need a support system.
(50:04):
You need somebody that you could talk because you need
somebody that you can rely on because without the poor system,
uh uh, you know, without the supports system, and God,
I don't think I would I wouldn't have made it,
that's far. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
So I know that I spoke about the church earlier,
but there that's one of the places that you can
go to a lot of resources. You know, people are
not just sitting in the pews holding their Bibles. They're
holding a lot of knowledge as well. So you can't
go to the church. I apologize if anybody think I
was making the light of a pastor or church. It's
(50:42):
just that that's just reality. It happens, it says it
could be something else with a school teacher and how
they are harder on the men than they are the women.
So running share form fashion, it just depends on what
profession when you're talking about you got some professionals equally
you know, as as bad for both sexes on anything.
(51:05):
But I want to ask you what is next for you,
whether it's a queen coaching or the butterfly movement or
even your writing, what's next for you?
Speaker 5 (51:15):
Well, I'm definitely even though my book hasn't can't come out,
came out yet. I'm definitely definitely on a road right
now to write another book, right because I know I
have more book than me, I have more to share.
I want to speak, I want to talk more about
(51:36):
this life of emotional wellness before. The simple factor is
I don't disregard the mental part because we we's kind
of interchangeable. But they both are two separate, two separate insities, right,
two separate ways of living, right, But we need them
both in order to survive. So I just want to
(51:58):
continue to share. You know, you just know, everybody just
no part of my story. There's so many more, right,
And I believe that by telling my stories and and
and allowing people to hear what I've been through and
what and where I'm at now, where I.
Speaker 4 (52:15):
Was able to come through and thrive through.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
And again I lead back to that, you know, going
through all of the pain during my pressure and at
the same time having peace, all of that came. All
of that wasn't easy. All of that came with a price, right,
And I just wanted to let people know that, you know,
it can happen for them too.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Yes, indeed, it definitely can Keisha, if you couldn't leave
one message that women carry with them long after this interview,
what would it be?
Speaker 5 (52:46):
Hm, I would say to them, you know, you know
you're healing. Healing doesn't just happen, you know. I'm gonna
I'm going to put it towards writing and creative writing.
(53:07):
Healing doesn't come from just the words that you read, right.
Healing comes from you walking through what you're going through
right and and coming out on the other side. So
I want women to know that when you feel something,
(53:30):
say something, because suppression, emotions, the person how you feel
can cause you not to be available for the ones
that really need you. That's about.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
Thank you of your book, Access Denied Under the Battle.
Please please, I'll hit that book store here. I guess yes,
need to be on to get that book because it
sounds likely to win it to me. Yeah, I not
(54:15):
to grave the White the Mother the New News to
reminded us that emotional and mental wellness should be a conversation.
Speaker 6 (54:27):
And not a secret. I think you, Froze.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
I want to learn more about a piece or grab
a copy of her book, Access to nine to Render
the Battle. Make sure to follow her journey and connect
with her movement. Please connect with her movement. As always,
I want to thank you for tuning into Basic Black
After Dark, where we meet you exactly what you need,
(54:59):
So i'll I want to join. I want you to
join me on Sunday because that's a special day. That's
my birthday. So I want anybody to join me on
Sunday if you can. It's at eight pm. I'm gonna
spend that day with somebody very special who I've been
known for over sixty years. That's my mom. I'm going
(55:22):
to spend that day with her. So I just want
everybody to know that I chose that day because I
also wanted to spend it with each one of you,
because I know you have birthdays when you're on the show,
and I don't know them until afterwards. So I'm sharing
my birthday with everybody. They say happy birthday to everyone,
especially all the Libras. Happy birthday. Of course, I'm going
(55:43):
to say we're the best sign because I'm a Libra.
We stay balanced, at least we try to, at least
I do. And I saw Charlotte and it said, that's right,
the Bronx. That's right, Charlotte, the Bronx. So she's also
a New Yorker, and I believe she's from the Brons,
so shall also says, good evening, my beautiful sisters, Good
(56:05):
evening to you, thank you for joining. If anybody want
to see this again, catching in the nuggets that Keisha
has been dropping all night long, please watch the replay.
Stay in contact with Keisha because I believe that there
is more to come. Oh Heaverny birthday, Thank you another diamond.
Oh thank you. Wait till explosive you become, because I
(56:37):
believe that's what's coming next. So thank you, everybody, thank you,
thank you, thank you, and thank you for keeping it basic.
Good night anymore,
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