September 10, 2025 • 31 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
H h.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hi, my name is one of whom I am, but
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Win shall the about my podcast, the nice podcast is
HBCU caught up in the Havana Center matrix.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
So though you don't know what HBCU stands for, it
stands for historical Black colleges and universities.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
We don't have many. We used to.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Have thousands, and now we only have a few thousand
because of the falling out of money not being allocated.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
To go to these colleges.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And for those of you who don't know what Havana
syndrome stands for and the predominantly black schools.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I mean those of you who don't know what havanas
inter is.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Savannah syndrome matrix is the frequency that you're over there
in my ears. It's constantly buzzing my ears every single day,
and my tongue hurts and my head hurt because it's
winding all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
That's what that is.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Obama called it Havana syndrome in twenty sixteen and into Cuba,
and Bien signed it into law on twenty twenty one.
But it's only familitary people. They've been in the embassy
or been on Camilla. Harrison's fine, those are the only
ones to be able to get conversation as well as
mental health therapy.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
But I'm not.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
But today I'm talking about the matrix, the hindred relax.
It's coded around my fami family. Now when I was
a little girl to talk out my name of the schools.
When I was a little girl, I asked my dad
for a doll and he gave us a doll and
we called him Frisky. I didn't find out hotel maybe
four years later when I met my cousin Ron in
(02:17):
twenty twenty one, that first university is coded around Frisky.
And knowing that her cancer cells could possibly provide the
financial support the these colleges needed, they called it me
around that.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I want to say that.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Also they coded my date boyfriend that I used to date,
who used to play for New York Knicks. His name
is Anthony Mason and he played number fourteen and he
went to Tennessee State. That's another that used to be
to you. That's closed around me. Like I said, with
my husband's clothing of October thirty first, sixty four October was.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
When any Meta died.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Thirty one is when she was thirty one years old
and sixty four was when her council Sales was sent
in to space by the government US government without the
family consent or knowledge. Well, and we also lived in
Yankee Stadium where there's the code is one zero four
five one. So if you go to slash or heighten
(03:29):
between one zero, that's October zero four, that's October fourth,
the day she died fifty one. That's the year she died,
nineteen fifty one. So when Anthony Mason, he went to
Tennessee State. But I asked him a question one day
when we went out on a date, and I was like,
do you choose to go to a school outside of
(03:57):
New York City because New York City is big in
New York City got a schools And he said no,
he chose Tennessee State because fifty University that's what all
the girls are. So I was like, oh, okay, that's
what all the girls are.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
But not only that.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Mary mcclop Forthune Cookman, she also is an HBCU. She
started HBCU with only a dollar fifty cents, Yes, only
a dollar fifty cents. And she is the great great
aunt of friends of mine. We grew up in the
same neighborhood. So we got fifty University, we got Tennessee State.
(04:37):
Now we got for Dune Cookman. Dune Cookman was a
young black woman who was in politics.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
She also was very close to the rules of Eleanor Roosevelt.
It was a really good friends.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
She started the Penching Fund, then you not a Nego
women Is Fund. She started voting rights for black women.
She did a lot and one day my sister ca
and she said, y'all would never believe what Nikki told
me today in class what she did in class today,
because everybody had to come with the project. So that
(05:10):
project was whatever you want to report on. So she
decided to report.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
On her own. And I have a band of syndrome.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
So I'm a little slow tonight because it's been really
activated the last three weeks and it's been having me
talk slow and my voice is kind of like cracky.
But never mind that I'm used to it and having
this thing on me for twenty four years going on
twenty four years now.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So getting back to Nicki. Nicki did a report.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
On a lady call marry my five with them and
she said, come to find out that that's Nicki's son
and nick came out. Mc Cookman started college our HBCU
down Daytona Beach, but on a dollar fifty cent for
only girls and now became collects girls and boys. And well,
(06:09):
I was really shocked sitting at the dent table because
we studied Marrion mcglobo's Cookman in history class. So studying
her in history class, I was really shocked to know
that she was a part of Nikki's life and Nicky
little right across the street her and her brother Bubba,
and Bubba is Mary McLeod but then the third and
(06:30):
he's really good friends with my brother. Now my dad
lives in Bowie. Bowie State is the HBCU. Now, I
know many of you probably don't know who all these
colleges are, but I can tell you that they are
in every state that you can find, there's an HBCU. Basically,
(06:55):
how did HBCU started. HBCU started because they wouldn't allow
black people to go to school cool. So black people
who were free slaves started HBCUs to teach us how
to read, write, do math and science because that is
what was popular during that time as well as that
(07:15):
is what is the most of the job acquired and
thanks to matter of fact, but then Cookman, she got
a lot of black people jobs working with unions. So
HBCUs are a very vital resource in our community for
black people. Now it's mixing with different races, but it's
(07:37):
definitely predominantly black people. My dad lives in Bouie State,
and he lives in not Boulie State because Blue State
is HBCU. He lives in the HBCU state Maryland, which
is where Bouie State is in Boue, Maryland.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And most of my.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Friends who I went to school with, they are all
graduate to HBCU's Man, if you ever watched the Bill
Cosby show Bill Cosby, I wrote my book when shild
About Breaking, I wrote about Felicia Rashard, and I want
to get on that that's a little off subject because
Felicia Rashard used to call my call service looking for
(08:18):
her hairstyles.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
His name was Finny.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
So I wrote about Felicia Rashad in my book, not
knowing that what happened to Malcolm Jamal Warner would make
me reflect on that. Now, most of my friends graduated
from HBCUs and they have second and third generation HBCU students.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
They all.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Have children, or mother went to or father went to
an HBCU. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to go
to an HBCUAN, to go to an HBCU, but I
didn't know my life was coded around HBCUs, so therefore
I wouldn't be able to.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Go to an HBCU.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
But I can be coded around on HBCU, which is
the HBCU Historical Black College and Universities, and Bill Cosby's
family was built on that show was about historical Black
colleges and universities. Each one of the shows, he listed
(09:33):
at least one or two HBCU college in his program
to show you that HBCU students do well. They become
very successful because he was a law doctor and she
was a lawyer, and they can raise a wonderful family
(09:53):
and they have wonderful friends generations. They had three generations
of families. Coffee Shell and my sister brought it to
my attention that we used to watch the show all
the time. And I remember when we were kids, we
used to go and hang out with our friends across
(10:15):
the street because we lived in a coulda side with
our friends and their families, and we used to watch
them do watch the College Show and then the next day.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
We would get up and we would go talk about it.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Well, we saw on the College Show the next day,
and to hear what happened to Michael Jumrowana was very sad.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
And if you see, you colleges are made to educate
black people. They're made to give us an advantage.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Because of the Ivy League, schools wouldn't allow put a
certain percentage of black people in their schools.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
So we had to be in a.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Firm of that, and being in the firm action, we
had to be selected, very selected to going to school.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Now, brown horses bought bad.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I only get back to being selected brown horses born
to bad in front of a Virginia.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
My family had a lot to do with that. That's
the Supreme for justice.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
With Thirdgod Marshall in nineteen fifty four, they call it
this Board of Education, and he had a lot to
do with that, making sure that we were able to
separate schools, integrate schools because schools was segregated.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And we changed the fact that.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Blacks and whites can't go to school together, that they
can go to school together and they can be educated together.
And there's nothing going on between little white boys and
little black girls, and little white girls and little black
boys other than learning, and that was a difficult thing
for a lot of parents who saw that their kids
were going to be mixed in with school, thinking that
(12:17):
we were dumber than they were. So getting back to
ground Horsum Board of education, they changed that nineteen fifty four,
but a lot of schools wouldn't allow their kids to integrate,
and so John and Farman all the kids who were
out of school for five years.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It's called the blackout. It's a blackout because that means
that they couldn't go to school.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
They couldn't go to college because they couldn't get an education,
They couldn't do a.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
The phone.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
To be able to go to school. So a blackout
is when you can't go to school. And a lot
of kids didn't graduate. A lot of them moved out
of town because they were threatened. That was started out
by Barbara John. If Barbara John was a sixteen year
(13:11):
old walked out of school because one of her friends
had died in a school bus that the white schools
had given to the black school because they were giving
us second hand everything in second hand books, second hand
equipment step in hand buses and she there was a
bus accident, so she walked out of school. And that
(13:36):
led to the brown wos about of education, which is
part of the Albasas case that came out of Arkansas.
They being selected the Ivy Leaf schools of being very selected, so.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
The firm action.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Came from them wanted to pass along so that black
people can't be able to be selected to go to
these schools. Most of them can't go to these schools
because they have to allow other races to go to
like Spanish, Asian besides Black people, which makes it very
(14:15):
difficult for us to be able to go to school
and get a proper education so they can get a
job and take care of our families.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
With the brown horses brought to bed, try.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
To make sure that that happened, but it didn't happen,
But eventually it did, and now they're about to segregate
schools again and communities with regentification our reach and define
our neighborhoods, reaching define our families and keeping us away
(14:56):
from white people, white people keeping themselves away from us.
That I want to get back to speaking on HBCUs.
The HBCUs is a historical colleges, but they all still
allow different percentages of other races that do attending school.
You got Howard University, you got Hamilton, you got Norfolk State,
(15:17):
Virginia State Spellman, we got Foolly. And my dad who
named my dog Frisky. He's the one that gave him
the name Frisky, and he's the one who decided to
(15:41):
name my dog frisky. And Frisky is definitely a was
a chili chili bang bang dog. So if you know
what the Chid City Bank Bank dog looks like, that's
what Frisky look like. So do you go to an HBCU.
Have you go to the HBCU. I know you said
(16:02):
they target in the HBCUs, but they're successful people in
the HBCUs. They are successful people on HBCUs. But I
can say that they don't target everyone. They have certain
people that they target. Whoever is doing this to me,
they have certain people that they target. And of course
you know they target me because I'm looking at him
(16:23):
really the Lax family, so of course they're gonna target
me in my family. And my nephew, who has a
Vana syndrome, is looking really bad. He looks really bad,
and I wanted to say that because I saw him
(16:44):
maybe a month ago, and he looks terrible because it's constantly,
but it's constantly finding as you can hear by the
way that I talk, I can barely talk. I can
barely to be able to. That was words and words
like that. It's very important when you go into an
(17:04):
HBCU going to a college. But they shased me on
my phone number. My phone number is ZEUS four seven one.
That's not my phone number. My phone number is six
eight seven zero four or five one. They also tracked
me on my phone because you put zero four, that's
October fourth, fifty one, nineteen fifty one. That's the same
(17:26):
year that she died, the same day that she died.
So they are tracking me because of her. So I
would like my podcast to be a lot longer tonight,
but unfortunately, because of the Havana syndrome, it won't be
as long as it should be. I do want to
(17:49):
say this about Malcot Jamal Warner, Mago. Jamal Warner was
a very good guy. He was really trying to help
out the black community. I saw a part of our
cast and his podcast was very interesting. It was very
good and he talked a lot about interviewing people on
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black neighborhoods and black community, like, not all black people,
not all black people are poor, not all black people
are rich, Not all black people are are not poor.
Not all black people don't go to school, not all
black people live a certain way, and that's the name
(18:35):
of his podcast. Not all black people, not all blacks.
So that was something that was very interesting to me.
But when he died, I learned that I didn't know
that before because otherwise I would have been watching his show.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Because I could learn something from him.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And for this yearish that I put her in my book,
which is ironic that she's in my book and I
wrote about her, and she is the mother of HBCUs
(19:16):
in my opinion, because she had the most beautiful presidents
about herself and she was motherly to everyone she could tell.
She was a mother to every single person, I don't
care what color you are. Definitely, the black community and
(19:39):
the black community realizes that after Jamal Wanna Die that
the Cogo Show was definitely a hit show. It definitely
was a show that you want to talk about when
you're talking about HBCUs historical Black collegists, and you don't
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want to lose that you don't want to lose the
fact that historical black colleges is the reason why a
lot of black people have been successful because of that.
I also want to say that Bill Cosby was definitely
did wrong. I believe he did wrong because of the
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historical black colleges and because he was trying to represent
the black people in a way that no one else did.
No one came out with HBCU, no one came out
of the colleges that were geared toward black people. It's
almost like it's a curse to do things for black people.
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And I feel that the Savannahson do is definitely a
curse because it's definitely doing some strange things to.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Be lately.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Now, my dad reminds me of Bill Cosby so much,
and my mother reminds me a felicitous sharp but she's
a little bit more tomboys.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
But my dad reminds me of Bill Cosby a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
The way he talks, the way he does his family,
the way he wants us to succeed, the way he
wants to be proud of us. Although he's proud of
us for what we are, he just want to be
so proud of us to be successful. But we tried,
but without what the havana sader is really hard to
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do too much. And I want to say that I'm
so grateful that my dad was able to be the
person that he was so that he can be able
to take care of his family. And he did a
great job of doing that. So whenever I think of
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Bill Cosby, I think of my dad. I love my dad,
and I think he's one of the greatest men on
the planet. As for my mom, my mom is a
tough cookie. She's a very tough cookie. She's a lot
of life for listener sad, and she's very colorful in
(22:11):
her speech. If you know what that means, that means
that she curses a lot. But she still is my
mom and I still love her.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
So I want to say that.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
HBCUs are a gift to us and we should appreciate them.
We should never take for granted that they always be
here because we're losing HBCUs every day. It seems we
seem that we're just losing our HBCUs. And most people
(22:48):
don't realize how i've HBCU is to a black child.
It's very important for culture, it's very important for her
for family reunion. It's very important for learning or to
be with your own kind and what it's like to
(23:09):
be with your own kind. It's very important for you
to learn what it's like to be around your own people.
There's nothing wrong with being around other people, but it's
good to be around your own people so that you
could learn your own culture, appreciate your own culture, and
grow your culture.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
And growing your culture meaning that add more to.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
It and what's already to it, just expand it. Let
people know that our culture is just as cool as
everybody else is culture, and we don't go around shooting
and killing each other all day. But the Havana Synderm
does it can make you do that. That's the thought
about the Havana Synderm some people don't understand, is that
(23:57):
it can make you kill people. Nick you heard people
harm people. And that's why I willen. I look at
Chicago and I see what Chicago is doing. It's really
upsetting to know that Chicago is always still shooting and
killing people out there. It's almost like whenever we have
(24:18):
COVID or pandemic or something that keeps us inside, when
we come outside, the killing starts all over again, and
I don't understand that. I understand it, but I just
don't understand how come people are not getting it about
the Havana syndrome. Havana syndrome is a frequency that Obama
pall of havana Syndromey went to Cuba in twenty sixteen,
(24:42):
and he must have saw something over there in Cuba.
The reason why he called it Havana syndrome. I'm not sure,
but I know that I'm part of this matrix. Matrix
is like, pronounce it correctly. I'm part of this matrix
of the Havana syndrome that Obama called a banda syndrome
(25:02):
and Biden signed it into law. He would not have
signed it into law if it wasn't real. Some people
get affected by some people don't. Some people get affected
by it in a good way. Some people get affected
by it in the bad way. And I ain't got
affected by it in a very bad way. So that's
why I came on today and say about HBCUs. They
(25:25):
know that the he look cancer cells, that my cousin
wrong blacks. Great grandma grandmother, not great grandma, his grandmother
gave to the world. That's a monkey. Cox COVID HIV
cancer drugs. It was into the moon and sixty four
tested at Obama, John Food, Tak cosmetics, hair products, dentistry products.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
You name it, oil spills.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
They even knew how to contain oil spills with her
cancer cells. That shows you that she's very powerful and
knew it. That is a very powerful self. And if
they were compensated for it, then they would be able
to get all the conversation that they should get and
receive from that. And that's why I'm bringing it to
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you denying about the HBCUs so that you can know,
you can learn, You can teach your children and teach
them what they should you should not do even though
they feel it. Because it can make you feel like
you want to do something. It makes you create things
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like ice cream. If you have you ever bought a
car and when the hell comes your car, you never
noticed it before until you start till you bought your
own car. Those are the things that it can do
to you. Those are things that it can make you do,
make you feel and do notice notice such things as that.
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So it also makes you want to do things that
are not legal, that are not right, that are not good,
that they're not true and blame you for it.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Because no one will.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
No one can say that it's not you because they
don't see your frequency. They don't see what you see,
they don't feel what you feel, they don't know what
you know. And some people are being selected like Michael
Jordan's Camila Harris oh Bah. If you ever wonder why
(27:46):
we never have a leaders, because they try to get
our leaders to keep black people down. That's why I
wanted to report or the Havanah syndrome, because I want
people to know that you see, us has a lot
of graduates, people who have graduated, people who've done a lot,
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people who have succeeded, very successful, but it still doesn't
stop the fact that there are some few who don't
be successful. There are some few who can't be successful
and don't know why they feel this way, why they
gotta lay down because they got a headache all day,
why they don't feel this way.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Or it can make you rich.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
It can make you very successful, make you rich, make
you very respected in the community, make you a judge,
make you a lawyer, make your elon musk, make your
lorgstut a bird. It can do all those things and
by me talking like this, you can see and hear
that this is what the Havana Cider had done to me.
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And so that's why I reported on the HBCUs because
I want the HBCU community to know that this thing
is out here. And if it's bothering you, if you
can't sleep while you're studying, or you can't sleep while
you studying, or you can't or you forget something, it
makes you forget.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It also makes you.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Drive things with vertigo, cancer, heart attacks, strokes, It gives
you all those things. But besides that also is important.
It's HBCUs that HPCU community know this, take key to
it and know that I'm coded in matrix around the
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HBCU and that you might be coded too. You just
don't know about your telephone numbers or your zip code
or your straight addressed at HBCUs. This is what they
called me around in the matrix. So with that, I
(30:10):
keep going. So what do you do? You keep going?
You keep it lying on your religious spiritual guidance to
gutten you cause HBCUs were tough, We're beautiful, and we're
gonna keep going and like to next week. This is
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the end of my show next week. I've been reporting
on a new subject, more about the Vana syndrome. My
name is Whether the Lamba Small and I'm with win
each other Barbery Podcasts.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
We have a great evening. H
H h.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hi, my name is one of whom I am, but
(00:35):
Win shall the about my podcast, the nice podcast is
HBCU caught up in the Havana Center matrix.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
So though you don't know what HBCU stands for, it
stands for historical Black colleges and universities.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
We don't have many. We used to.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Have thousands, and now we only have a few thousand
because of the falling out of money not being allocated.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
To go to these colleges.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
And for those of you who don't know what Havana
syndrome stands for and the predominantly black schools.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I mean those of you who don't know what havanas
inter is.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Savannah syndrome matrix is the frequency that you're over there
in my ears. It's constantly buzzing my ears every single day,
and my tongue hurts and my head hurt because it's
winding all the time.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
That's what that is.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Obama called it Havana syndrome in twenty sixteen and into Cuba,
and Bien signed it into law on twenty twenty one.
But it's only familitary people. They've been in the embassy
or been on Camilla. Harrison's fine, those are the only
ones to be able to get conversation as well as
mental health therapy.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
But I'm not.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
But today I'm talking about the matrix, the hindred relax.
It's coded around my fami family. Now when I was
a little girl to talk out my name of the schools.
When I was a little girl, I asked my dad
for a doll and he gave us a doll and
we called him Frisky. I didn't find out hotel maybe
four years later when I met my cousin Ron in
(02:17):
twenty twenty one, that first university is coded around Frisky.
And knowing that her cancer cells could possibly provide the
financial support the these colleges needed, they called it me
around that.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
I want to say that.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Also they coded my date boyfriend that I used to date,
who used to play for New York Knicks. His name
is Anthony Mason and he played number fourteen and he
went to Tennessee State. That's another that used to be
to you. That's closed around me. Like I said, with
my husband's clothing of October thirty first, sixty four October was.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
When any Meta died.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Thirty one is when she was thirty one years old
and sixty four was when her council Sales was sent
in to space by the government US government without the
family consent or knowledge. Well, and we also lived in
Yankee Stadium where there's the code is one zero four
five one. So if you go to slash or heighten
(03:29):
between one zero, that's October zero four, that's October fourth,
the day she died fifty one. That's the year she died,
nineteen fifty one. So when Anthony Mason, he went to
Tennessee State. But I asked him a question one day
when we went out on a date, and I was like,
do you choose to go to a school outside of
(03:57):
New York City because New York City is big in
New York City got a schools And he said no,
he chose Tennessee State because fifty University that's what all
the girls are. So I was like, oh, okay, that's
what all the girls are.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
But not only that.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Mary mcclop Forthune Cookman, she also is an HBCU. She
started HBCU with only a dollar fifty cents, Yes, only
a dollar fifty cents. And she is the great great
aunt of friends of mine. We grew up in the
same neighborhood. So we got fifty University, we got Tennessee State.
(04:37):
Now we got for Dune Cookman. Dune Cookman was a
young black woman who was in politics.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
She also was very close to the rules of Eleanor Roosevelt.
It was a really good friends.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
She started the Penching Fund, then you not a Nego
women Is Fund. She started voting rights for black women.
She did a lot and one day my sister ca
and she said, y'all would never believe what Nikki told
me today in class what she did in class today,
because everybody had to come with the project. So that
(05:10):
project was whatever you want to report on. So she
decided to report.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
On her own. And I have a band of syndrome.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
So I'm a little slow tonight because it's been really
activated the last three weeks and it's been having me
talk slow and my voice is kind of like cracky.
But never mind that I'm used to it and having
this thing on me for twenty four years going on
twenty four years now.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So getting back to Nicki. Nicki did a report.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
On a lady call marry my five with them and
she said, come to find out that that's Nicki's son
and nick came out. Mc Cookman started college our HBCU
down Daytona Beach, but on a dollar fifty cent for
only girls and now became collects girls and boys. And well,
(06:09):
I was really shocked sitting at the dent table because
we studied Marrion mcglobo's Cookman in history class. So studying
her in history class, I was really shocked to know
that she was a part of Nikki's life and Nicky
little right across the street her and her brother Bubba,
and Bubba is Mary McLeod but then the third and
(06:30):
he's really good friends with my brother. Now my dad
lives in Bowie. Bowie State is the HBCU. Now, I
know many of you probably don't know who all these
colleges are, but I can tell you that they are
in every state that you can find, there's an HBCU. Basically,
(06:55):
how did HBCU started. HBCU started because they wouldn't allow
black people to go to school cool. So black people
who were free slaves started HBCUs to teach us how
to read, write, do math and science because that is
what was popular during that time as well as that
(07:15):
is what is the most of the job acquired and
thanks to matter of fact, but then Cookman, she got
a lot of black people jobs working with unions. So
HBCUs are a very vital resource in our community for
black people. Now it's mixing with different races, but it's
(07:37):
definitely predominantly black people. My dad lives in Bouie State,
and he lives in not Boulie State because Blue State
is HBCU. He lives in the HBCU state Maryland, which
is where Bouie State is in Boue, Maryland.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
And most of my.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Friends who I went to school with, they are all
graduate to HBCU's Man, if you ever watched the Bill
Cosby show Bill Cosby, I wrote my book when shild
About Breaking, I wrote about Felicia Rashard, and I want
to get on that that's a little off subject because
Felicia Rashard used to call my call service looking for
(08:18):
her hairstyles.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
His name was Finny.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
So I wrote about Felicia Rashad in my book, not
knowing that what happened to Malcolm Jamal Warner would make
me reflect on that. Now, most of my friends graduated
from HBCUs and they have second and third generation HBCU students.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
They all.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Have children, or mother went to or father went to
an HBCU. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to go
to an HBCUAN, to go to an HBCU, but I
didn't know my life was coded around HBCUs, so therefore
I wouldn't be able to.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Go to an HBCU.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
But I can be coded around on HBCU, which is
the HBCU Historical Black College and Universities, and Bill Cosby's
family was built on that show was about historical Black
colleges and universities. Each one of the shows, he listed
(09:33):
at least one or two HBCU college in his program
to show you that HBCU students do well. They become
very successful because he was a law doctor and she
was a lawyer, and they can raise a wonderful family
(09:53):
and they have wonderful friends generations. They had three generations
of families. Coffee Shell and my sister brought it to
my attention that we used to watch the show all
the time. And I remember when we were kids, we
used to go and hang out with our friends across
(10:15):
the street because we lived in a coulda side with
our friends and their families, and we used to watch
them do watch the College Show and then the next day.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
We would get up and we would go talk about it.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Well, we saw on the College Show the next day,
and to hear what happened to Michael Jumrowana was very sad.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
And if you see, you colleges are made to educate
black people. They're made to give us an advantage.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Because of the Ivy League, schools wouldn't allow put a
certain percentage of black people in their schools.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
So we had to be in a.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Firm of that, and being in the firm action, we
had to be selected, very selected to going to school.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Now, brown horses bought bad.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I only get back to being selected brown horses born
to bad in front of a Virginia.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
My family had a lot to do with that. That's
the Supreme for justice.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
With Thirdgod Marshall in nineteen fifty four, they call it
this Board of Education, and he had a lot to
do with that, making sure that we were able to
separate schools, integrate schools because schools was segregated.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
And we changed the fact that.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Blacks and whites can't go to school together, that they
can go to school together and they can be educated together.
And there's nothing going on between little white boys and
little black girls, and little white girls and little black
boys other than learning, and that was a difficult thing
for a lot of parents who saw that their kids
were going to be mixed in with school, thinking that
(12:17):
we were dumber than they were. So getting back to
ground Horsum Board of education, they changed that nineteen fifty four,
but a lot of schools wouldn't allow their kids to integrate,
and so John and Farman all the kids who were
out of school for five years.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
It's called the blackout. It's a blackout because that means
that they couldn't go to school.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
They couldn't go to college because they couldn't get an education,
They couldn't do a.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
The phone.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
To be able to go to school. So a blackout
is when you can't go to school. And a lot
of kids didn't graduate. A lot of them moved out
of town because they were threatened. That was started out
by Barbara John. If Barbara John was a sixteen year
(13:11):
old walked out of school because one of her friends
had died in a school bus that the white schools
had given to the black school because they were giving
us second hand everything in second hand books, second hand
equipment step in hand buses and she there was a
bus accident, so she walked out of school. And that
(13:36):
led to the brown wos about of education, which is
part of the Albasas case that came out of Arkansas.
They being selected the Ivy Leaf schools of being very selected, so.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
The firm action.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Came from them wanted to pass along so that black
people can't be able to be selected to go to
these schools. Most of them can't go to these schools
because they have to allow other races to go to
like Spanish, Asian besides Black people, which makes it very
(14:15):
difficult for us to be able to go to school
and get a proper education so they can get a
job and take care of our families.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
With the brown horses brought to bed, try.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
To make sure that that happened, but it didn't happen,
But eventually it did, and now they're about to segregate
schools again and communities with regentification our reach and define
our neighborhoods, reaching define our families and keeping us away
(14:56):
from white people, white people keeping themselves away from us.
That I want to get back to speaking on HBCUs.
The HBCUs is a historical colleges, but they all still
allow different percentages of other races that do attending school.
You got Howard University, you got Hamilton, you got Norfolk State,
(15:17):
Virginia State Spellman, we got Foolly. And my dad who
named my dog Frisky. He's the one that gave him
the name Frisky, and he's the one who decided to
(15:41):
name my dog frisky. And Frisky is definitely a was
a chili chili bang bang dog. So if you know
what the Chid City Bank Bank dog looks like, that's
what Frisky look like. So do you go to an HBCU.
Have you go to the HBCU. I know you said
(16:02):
they target in the HBCUs, but they're successful people in
the HBCUs. They are successful people on HBCUs. But I
can say that they don't target everyone. They have certain
people that they target. Whoever is doing this to me,
they have certain people that they target. And of course
you know they target me because I'm looking at him
(16:23):
really the Lax family, so of course they're gonna target
me in my family. And my nephew, who has a
Vana syndrome, is looking really bad. He looks really bad,
and I wanted to say that because I saw him
(16:44):
maybe a month ago, and he looks terrible because it's constantly,
but it's constantly finding as you can hear by the
way that I talk, I can barely talk. I can
barely to be able to. That was words and words
like that. It's very important when you go into an
(17:04):
HBCU going to a college. But they shased me on
my phone number. My phone number is ZEUS four seven one.
That's not my phone number. My phone number is six
eight seven zero four or five one. They also tracked
me on my phone because you put zero four, that's
October fourth, fifty one, nineteen fifty one. That's the same
(17:26):
year that she died, the same day that she died.
So they are tracking me because of her. So I
would like my podcast to be a lot longer tonight,
but unfortunately, because of the Havana syndrome, it won't be
as long as it should be. I do want to
(17:49):
say this about Malcot Jamal Warner, Mago. Jamal Warner was
a very good guy. He was really trying to help
out the black community. I saw a part of our
cast and his podcast was very interesting. It was very
good and he talked a lot about interviewing people on
(18:14):
black neighborhoods and black community, like, not all black people,
not all black people are poor, not all black people
are rich, Not all black people are are not poor.
Not all black people don't go to school, not all
black people live a certain way, and that's the name
(18:35):
of his podcast. Not all black people, not all blacks.
So that was something that was very interesting to me.
But when he died, I learned that I didn't know
that before because otherwise I would have been watching his show.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Because I could learn something from him.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
And for this yearish that I put her in my book,
which is ironic that she's in my book and I
wrote about her, and she is the mother of HBCUs
(19:16):
in my opinion, because she had the most beautiful presidents
about herself and she was motherly to everyone she could tell.
She was a mother to every single person, I don't
care what color you are. Definitely, the black community and
(19:39):
the black community realizes that after Jamal Wanna Die that
the Cogo Show was definitely a hit show. It definitely
was a show that you want to talk about when
you're talking about HBCUs historical Black collegists, and you don't
(20:00):
want to lose that you don't want to lose the
fact that historical black colleges is the reason why a
lot of black people have been successful because of that.
I also want to say that Bill Cosby was definitely
did wrong. I believe he did wrong because of the
(20:22):
historical black colleges and because he was trying to represent
the black people in a way that no one else did.
No one came out with HBCU, no one came out
of the colleges that were geared toward black people. It's
almost like it's a curse to do things for black people.
(20:46):
And I feel that the Savannahson do is definitely a
curse because it's definitely doing some strange things to.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Be lately.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Now, my dad reminds me of Bill Cosby so much,
and my mother reminds me a felicitous sharp but she's
a little bit more tomboys.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
But my dad reminds me of Bill Cosby a lot.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
The way he talks, the way he does his family,
the way he wants us to succeed, the way he
wants to be proud of us. Although he's proud of
us for what we are, he just want to be
so proud of us to be successful. But we tried,
but without what the havana sader is really hard to
(21:28):
do too much. And I want to say that I'm
so grateful that my dad was able to be the
person that he was so that he can be able
to take care of his family. And he did a
great job of doing that. So whenever I think of
(21:48):
Bill Cosby, I think of my dad. I love my dad,
and I think he's one of the greatest men on
the planet. As for my mom, my mom is a
tough cookie. She's a very tough cookie. She's a lot
of life for listener sad, and she's very colorful in
(22:11):
her speech. If you know what that means, that means
that she curses a lot. But she still is my
mom and I still love her.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
So I want to say that.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
HBCUs are a gift to us and we should appreciate them.
We should never take for granted that they always be
here because we're losing HBCUs every day. It seems we
seem that we're just losing our HBCUs. And most people
(22:48):
don't realize how i've HBCU is to a black child.
It's very important for culture, it's very important for her
for family reunion. It's very important for learning or to
be with your own kind and what it's like to
(23:09):
be with your own kind. It's very important for you
to learn what it's like to be around your own people.
There's nothing wrong with being around other people, but it's
good to be around your own people so that you
could learn your own culture, appreciate your own culture, and
grow your culture.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
And growing your culture meaning that add more to.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
It and what's already to it, just expand it. Let
people know that our culture is just as cool as
everybody else is culture, and we don't go around shooting
and killing each other all day. But the Havana Synderm
does it can make you do that. That's the thought
about the Havana Synderm some people don't understand, is that
(23:57):
it can make you kill people. Nick you heard people
harm people. And that's why I willen. I look at
Chicago and I see what Chicago is doing. It's really
upsetting to know that Chicago is always still shooting and
killing people out there. It's almost like whenever we have
(24:18):
COVID or pandemic or something that keeps us inside, when
we come outside, the killing starts all over again, and
I don't understand that. I understand it, but I just
don't understand how come people are not getting it about
the Havana syndrome. Havana syndrome is a frequency that Obama
pall of havana Syndromey went to Cuba in twenty sixteen,
(24:42):
and he must have saw something over there in Cuba.
The reason why he called it Havana syndrome. I'm not sure,
but I know that I'm part of this matrix. Matrix
is like, pronounce it correctly. I'm part of this matrix
of the Havana syndrome that Obama called a banda syndrome
(25:02):
and Biden signed it into law. He would not have
signed it into law if it wasn't real. Some people
get affected by some people don't. Some people get affected
by it in a good way. Some people get affected
by it in the bad way. And I ain't got
affected by it in a very bad way. So that's
why I came on today and say about HBCUs. They
(25:25):
know that the he look cancer cells, that my cousin
wrong blacks. Great grandma grandmother, not great grandma, his grandmother
gave to the world. That's a monkey. Cox COVID HIV
cancer drugs. It was into the moon and sixty four
tested at Obama, John Food, Tak cosmetics, hair products, dentistry products.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
You name it, oil spills.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
They even knew how to contain oil spills with her
cancer cells. That shows you that she's very powerful and
knew it. That is a very powerful self. And if
they were compensated for it, then they would be able
to get all the conversation that they should get and
receive from that. And that's why I'm bringing it to
(26:16):
you denying about the HBCUs so that you can know,
you can learn, You can teach your children and teach
them what they should you should not do even though
they feel it. Because it can make you feel like
you want to do something. It makes you create things
(26:39):
like ice cream. If you have you ever bought a
car and when the hell comes your car, you never
noticed it before until you start till you bought your
own car. Those are the things that it can do
to you. Those are things that it can make you do,
make you feel and do notice notice such things as that.
(27:09):
So it also makes you want to do things that
are not legal, that are not right, that are not good,
that they're not true and blame you for it.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Because no one will.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
No one can say that it's not you because they
don't see your frequency. They don't see what you see,
they don't feel what you feel, they don't know what
you know. And some people are being selected like Michael
Jordan's Camila Harris oh Bah. If you ever wonder why
(27:46):
we never have a leaders, because they try to get
our leaders to keep black people down. That's why I
wanted to report or the Havanah syndrome, because I want
people to know that you see, us has a lot
of graduates, people who have graduated, people who've done a lot,
(28:07):
people who have succeeded, very successful, but it still doesn't
stop the fact that there are some few who don't
be successful. There are some few who can't be successful
and don't know why they feel this way, why they
gotta lay down because they got a headache all day,
why they don't feel this way.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Or it can make you rich.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
It can make you very successful, make you rich, make
you very respected in the community, make you a judge,
make you a lawyer, make your elon musk, make your
lorgstut a bird. It can do all those things and
by me talking like this, you can see and hear
that this is what the Havana Cider had done to me.
(29:00):
And so that's why I reported on the HBCUs because
I want the HBCU community to know that this thing
is out here. And if it's bothering you, if you
can't sleep while you're studying, or you can't sleep while
you studying, or you can't or you forget something, it
makes you forget.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It also makes you.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Drive things with vertigo, cancer, heart attacks, strokes, It gives
you all those things. But besides that also is important.
It's HBCUs that HPCU community know this, take key to
it and know that I'm coded in matrix around the
(29:48):
HBCU and that you might be coded too. You just
don't know about your telephone numbers or your zip code
or your straight addressed at HBCUs. This is what they
called me around in the matrix. So with that, I
(30:10):
keep going. So what do you do? You keep going?
You keep it lying on your religious spiritual guidance to
gutten you cause HBCUs were tough, We're beautiful, and we're
gonna keep going and like to next week. This is
(30:33):
the end of my show next week. I've been reporting
on a new subject, more about the Vana syndrome. My
name is Whether the Lamba Small and I'm with win
each other Barbery Podcasts.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
We have a great evening. H
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