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September 24, 2025 29 mins
Gwendolyn Lambert Smalls is a Virginia-based author, podcast host, and civil rights advocate whose work is defined by her family’s pursuit of justice following the 2013 death of her brother, Linwood Raymond Lambert Jr., while in police custody.Early life and family tragedy
  • Birth: Gwendolyn Lambert Smalls was born in Alexandria, Virginia, in January 1968.
  • Brother’s death: In May 2013, her brother, Linwood Raymond Lambert Jr., died in the custody of the South Boston Police Department after being tasered multiple times. Smalls and her family immediately began advocating for an investigation, challenging the official cause of death and alleging excessive use of force by police officers.
  • Advocacy: Following the incident, Smalls became a vocal advocate, organizing peaceful marches with family and the NAACP to push for federal intervention in her brother’s case. The family filed a civil lawsuit against the police department, which was eventually settled in 2016.
Writing career
  • First book: In 2021, Smalls published her first book, When Shall The Bough Break. The autobiographical work recounts the events surrounding her brother’s death and the family’s journey for justice.
  • Writing style: She uses her writing to share personal truths and highlight social injustices, aiming to inspire readers to consider and address similar issues in their communities.
  • Second book: Smalls has also completed her second manuscript, Hidden In Plain Sight, which was in the initial stages of editing as of September 2022.
Podcast host
  • Show: Smalls hosts a podcast also titled When Shall the Bough Break, which is featured on the Da Crew Podcast network.
  • Themes: Her podcast serves as a platform for discussing topics related to the human condition and social justice, further extending the themes explored in her book.
Personal interestsAccording to her Amazon author biography, Smalls has a deep love for her family and an interest in history. She also enjoys reading and spoiling her chihuahua.Gwendolyn Lambert Smalls was inspired to write When Shall The Bough Break by the 2013 death of her brother, Linwood Raymond Lambert, Jr., while he was in police custody. The book is a historical autobiography detailing her family’s origins, her brother’s shocking demise, and the ensuing decade-long fight for justice.Key inspirations behind the book include:
  • A divine message: According to Smalls, she felt a divine calling to share her family’s story and convey the message of “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” She believes that once people read the book or watch the video of the incident, they will understand how this message perfectly fits the narrative.
  • The pursuit of justice: Following the closure of her brother’s case by federal and local officials, Smalls felt it was necessary to tell the full story. The book chronicles the painful events and the disheartening lack of accountability surrounding his death.
  • The power of a personal story: Smalls kept meticulous notes, photos, and journal entries throughout the family’s trial, protests, and news conferences. With the encouragement of friends and family, she realized the story needed to be told to a wider audience to chronicle the experience and offer a broader understanding of similar social injustices.
  • Inspiring others: Ultimately, Smalls hopes her book will empower readers to find their own purpose and inspire them to tell their own stories. She also hopes it will encourage readers, particularly in the Black community, to “change the world” by gaining a deeper understanding of issues they may not have previously known about.


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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Ladies and gentlemen, May I have your attention please. The
show starts in third line eight seven, six, five four

(00:44):
three two one go.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I mean, it was working on that for Smalls and
I was waiting on the Barberay podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
And my topic today is going to be a little different.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's gonna be about the assassination, attempt and assassination of
for presidents best President Lincoln, President Kennedy attempt on top
and possibly Barack Obama. Now I need my glasses because
I have my notes. This is gonna be dealing with

(01:21):
somewhat part of Havana syndrome. Like I said before, Havanda
syndrome is on me still. I still feel the grinding
and I still feel the cricket noise in my ears.
So it hasn't gone anywhere since the last time we spoke.
So i'm'a our glasses on so that we can talk.

(01:41):
My voice is a little strained because of the Ovanda syndrome.
So this is starting first with the first president of
the United States was President Lincoln. President Abraham Lincoln was
the first president who was assassinated by John Wills Booth

(02:02):
on April fourteenth of eighteen sixty five.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Just like two years three years before slavery ended.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
President where I prove up from President Abraham Lincoln was
assassinated by John Wills Booth. He was a Confederate sympathizer
at for a theater in Washington, d C. He was
that he was shot in the back of the head.
He tried goose boots, tried to revive the Confederate cause.

(02:30):
He believed that Lincoln had revived the South and ruined
the South.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
He believed that he didn't like the idea of free
slaves and black man.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Being able to vote. Now getting back to John L. Wills,
John L. Wills was a Confederate sympathizer, meaning that he
believed in the Confederacy. Now I'm from Virginia and I
know all about to we got Confederate flags still hanging

(03:02):
up on the poles of people yards, on their mailboxes,
on their ships. Confederate was the Confederate soldiers that far
in the war against the Union to end slavery. Yet
Booths did not see that as being a beneficial black people.

(03:26):
He liked it just the way that it was. He
was also a white subfermaist. He was a white sufermacy.
He believed in white people being first. He believed white
people being better than anyone else. He believed that white
blood is better than black blood. He believed that black

(03:48):
skin is not a supremacy. So he believed in such
things as racist things against America and against black people.

(04:09):
The second president they assassinated was John F.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Kennedy. Most of you know John F. Kennedy.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
You God married John Kennedy, and you see John Kennedy
as a good president. He wasn't before in his relationship
with Martin Luther King. From what I understand, it's the
reason why he was assassinated. I'm not sure, but that's
when I was told because he was working with Martin

(04:38):
Luther King with the Civil Rights Bill nineteen sixty four
is civil Rights Bill, and he moved to let black
people into the White House, and people didn't agree with that.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
So John F.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Kennedy on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, in Dallas, Texas,
a shot twice by assumingly Lee Harvey Oswald on the
sixth floor of the Texas School Book three Boratory. He
was rushed to My Warrior Hospital where he was pronounced dead.

(05:13):
He was killed by Jack Ruby once he was arrested
the Harvard Oswald. We know all of our conspiracies. Now
conspiracies is the only people think that things that could
be true. They believe that the CIA and FBI had

(05:33):
something to do with the killing of John Kennedy. I'm
not sure, but I do know. I wasn't around that time.
I was going to sixty eight. He was shot and
killed at sixty three. But from what I learned in
school and what I learned from hearing people talk, is
that he was being friends with black people and people

(05:56):
didn't like that. They didn't like that at all, and
that's all. He was shot by Lea and Harry All.
But the conspiracy is he was shot twice. There was
one in the bush, and it was one on the
divorce or so. The conspiracy is that no one really

(06:18):
knows if were All shot him twice, because they said
it's impossible gon to be in two places at one time.

(06:38):
I'll let you decide on that. If you think that
leader All shot Kennedy, be twice. And when the light
of every day that's going on in the world today
with Charles Kirk, I decided to also I had Trump.
Trump was Trump was the tenth assassination against him. It

(07:06):
was a time assassination. So Trump bully gazed the upper
part of his right ear. He was shot by Thomas
Matthew Crooks at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania on July thirteen,
twenty twenty four. Crooked was shot killed by Secret Service
Countess Servers kniper.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
He was twenty years old.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
He was carrying at Ak fifteen and he's from Bertha Park, Pennsylvania.
There was also someone else that was killed named Coroy
commentator who was also killed shielding his family.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Trump, but Trump, It's hard to really say if they
really tried to shoot him because he was glazed on
his ear, and then again you never know.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Some people say that that's just find of why he
was the guy into the White House because of that
Kidadian missus Harris. How are you so that's what they
believed was appenal Trump.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
They believe that Trump was used and that's how he
ended in the White House.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
I'm not sure. I just know that he was shot,
and a large people think that it was a setup.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Just recently, one of his administrators in his cabinet was
just shot, Corey Kirk. He was in Utah about to
Award Rowley talking about his believe in black received black

(09:02):
black people not being three month second. This is another
Ana center black people. And I just saw episode the
President of Obama when he was saying things that he
actually said that he don't believe that varlingt King is good.

(09:22):
He don't believe the nineteen sixty four Voting right action
was a great thing. He believed that Brock with wife,
Michelle and Jackson. I'm assuming Serene Court Jackson are don't
have brainbower. I'm not saying that he deserved to get

(09:43):
what he got, but I can say that someone to
feel that way about a person's horrible. We didn't do anything.
We came over here because they bought us over here.
They bought us over here. Did win my Barack Obama
shirt because I don't tell my story about Barack Obama.

(10:07):
You know, the fourth attempt a president Barack Obama, and
that's when Havana syndrome come into play. Avanda syndrome, I believe,
also sat up Kennedy and Trump. I knew it might
not be easy for you guys to get that, but

(10:31):
I believe that it wasn't around when Kennedy was around.
My wife supercy was and the Civil War was, so
people had a mindset on what they thought of black
people being enslaved.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
And carrying the wealth of the South.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, getting to Barack Obama, he was the one that
came with Avanda syndrome.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
So what's a dance center?

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Avanta synder is an infosound micawave frequency that does things
to my whole entire body. It does things to my ears,
It does things to my mouth and my tongue to
grinding in my head. It also controls sometimes the way
that I think. It slows down my speech, it slows

(11:26):
down my thinking. So I don't know that has a
lot to do with the fact that I'm about to
tell my story. Yeah, on January twenty first, twenty thirteen,

(11:48):
before that, I was elected to be in his inauguration.
We wore red hats. We have to tickets on our
chests and they will and if it was the only
way we could get in. And I was with a

(12:08):
group of girls, women actually, and we were all gathered
around the tent. It was very cold outside, it was freezing,
and we got around the tent and we were able
to get something to eat, and we all waiting for

(12:29):
our turn to be chosen to go into a set
of group breakout group so that we can go follow
our leader to where we're gonna be posted. So once
that happened, I followed my leader and we walked near
the bleachers, and we walked near the bleachers and I

(12:57):
stopped and said, I'm gonna stay here, and this is
the spot that I chose. Now, while I was standing there,
I saw David Assarad. They had saved his mustache off
because he lost a bet with Barack Obama. So we're
standing there just directing people in the crowd or to
go so they can get on the bleachers so they

(13:20):
can watch the parade. So after that was done with,
then we had to go to another set, a place
where you can help with the crowd. So they chose

(13:42):
me to go to go with. This is the whole
Aner syndrome. They chose me, and I went to the bleachers. Well,
we were handing out High Park's High pock It's hot
pass to Supreme God Justice Family, and I was there

(14:09):
with my camera ready to take pictures because we had
a closed view. It was all a nobody in the
reaches where we were because we were volunteers and we're
handing out high class to Supreme cour Justice families. From there,
talking to the new person that I had just met.

(14:30):
We were just talking and laughing, and I was watching
the sun and were talking the tank where they were
sitting at, where they were going to be sitting at,
and I could feel the same thing that I feel
now with the grinding and with the frequency in my
ear was still in my ear. And then all of

(14:50):
a sudden, this black lady cop came up and she
stood there too. She stood in front of us, and
all of a sudden, I started to get anxiety and
I couldn't figure out why am I getting anxiety?

Speaker 3 (15:04):
And then the thought in.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
My head was grab her gun because they were announcing
that the Obamas were coming around the corner, and I
was like, oh my god, the Obamas will come around
the corner.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Somebody wants me to grab her, to grab her gun.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
And I thought, if I grab her gun it was
on safety, I would get arrested. And if I grab
her gun is now safety, I can shoot someone. And
just as I said that, the Obamas was right in
front of me. It was waving to the crowd and
though nothing was happening, So I was anxiety was so

(15:42):
high that I had to move back three bleaches up
to keep from thinking that I wanted to grab her
gun and bombas me still to this day that that
could have happened. They reminded me of an incident that

(16:05):
happen with my son when he was assaulted, and they
throw it in my head with it. You don't want
that to happen again because someone else could have got
a shot. The Obama Mina a garden shot and then
again the girl cause the grabs a gunningforded for me,
those all the thoughts that was going through my head.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
During that time.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I try to tell people that that's what the advantas
and there dies. You can make you do things that
you don't wanna do. You make me do things that
you wanna do, and that I did not want to do.
Let'ssassinate the first black president. And my birthday is January fifteenth,

(16:59):
ninety six, on the same day Martin Luther King was
born in the same year he was assassinated, So that
would have.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Been very weird, being that he really loved Martin Luther King.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
And with the Advanta syndrome, he was the one that
called him a vanta syndrome when he went to Queba.
Until dollars sixteen, I didn't call him the vanasingram he did.
I have my baracka ball shirt tonight to express that
it wasn't me the one assassinating who was doing this
to me now is the same person.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
The same people that are doing it to the now.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
It's been a lot of years since then, but it
still bothers me today.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
And I call his friend Patrick J.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Murphy a lot, especially when my head gets a lot
of pain.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
I have to call him because the pain is.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Undescribable and the grinding is indescribable because it does something
to my time. It causes me not to talk as
much or speak correctly A speak I can't be able
to talk to it sneaks smoothly like I would normally do.

(19:02):
Oh havanas to getting back to the Havana Center. Havana
sympdrum is a microwave, no frequency.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
But how does it get on me? I don't know.
I just know that it burned my hair out. I
could show you a pooch of my hair being burnt out.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
From the frequency and hopefully you can see it. That's

(19:55):
one part of my head that got burnt out by
the frequency. So I think it's a laser or something
that's come from the sky. That's when my hair was wide.
This is when my hair was black. So how does

(20:22):
it get on me? How does it get on me?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I just know that it burns my hair out. That's
why my hair is short.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
I keep it short because it's useless to try to
grow hair with something that burn your hair out. And
it's sting. The sting was unbelievable. I I'm scritching it
and remember it. And I didn't realize I was rubbing
my hair out. I was in More and More one
day and this man, he was in the produce section

(20:52):
like I was. I was in and over. Everyone knew
me because of my brother's case. My brother died of
police custody in two thousand team two and a half
to three months after Barack Obama was he nogate, So
I believe he was a sacrifice for Barack Obama being
operated for the second time.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
That's my personal opinion.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
And and he looked at me strange, and I was like,
why is he looking at me so strange? I didn't
realize it to my security camera. I'm the black my
black hair, and a security camera caught that.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
My hair burnt out.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I said, oh, that's why he was looking me strange
because my hair was burnt out. What do you do
with cabana syndrome? Well, what you can do because the
synder is how little John all year. There's nothing you

(22:06):
can do with doing someone else's they control. When someone
else's controlling your head, your thoughts, your body, it's an invasion.
Not only it's an invasion, but it's an invasion in
my privacy. It's an invasion because of the nineteen seventy
three law. It says that you cannot experiment on people

(22:26):
without their consent. And they've been an experimenting on me
for over twenty four years. I've been like this for
twenty four years, and I cons and I'm going to
continue to get on and do my podcast so that
i can let you know if it progressed, if things

(22:48):
have changed, or if it's still the same.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
How do you control your thoughts?

Speaker 2 (22:54):
I tell people rely on your religion or your spirituality,
because this thing doesn't.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
Really in it.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
And tries to get me not to go on church
online and tries to get me not to go to
the Bible study. So what was doing is don't believe
in it, or that they believe in it, but they
don't want me to believe in it, believe in God,
believe in Jesus.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
They don't want me to believe in it.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
So read the Bible, go to Bible study, and go
to church. Try to tell people that is the only
way that you'll be able to at least keep your intel.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
How does it feel to have in the syndrome? Lousy that.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Barack Obama talked about him when he went to Cuba
twenty sixteen, and when I talked to Projectorymrathon in twenty thirteen.
We were talking on the phone and he's the best
friend of Barack Obama. We were talking on the phone
over almost seven years straight. That was every single month,

(24:27):
my name is five or six months. We talked almost
every single month. I believe there's a conspiracy between Barack
Obama saying the Havannah syndrome. By him saying Havana syndrome
doesn't help me out because he when Biden signed it
into law, was making legitimate.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
But it's only for military people. Only military pole can
get benefits.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Only military people can get financial support to help them,
but I need going through all this craziness that I
go through, tries to separate me from my family, trying
to isolate me from people. The one thing I say

(25:29):
that I don't allow that to happen, but I feel
like it's doing something that I don't normally do. Then
I go and do something that I normally do around
my friends, call them on the telephone, see what they're
doing anything. Even if I don't say much on the phone,

(25:52):
I still call them and you can see my head
and doing the side to side. That's the strong strength
of the frequency. So who I was doing that is
knowing what they're doing. Will it never stop? I'm not sure.

(26:17):
That's why I get on my podcast, That's why I
get on TV, That's why I get on radio.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
And my voice is how they ever like this.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
The air days and my voice is okay in their days,
and my voice isn't okay today. My voice isn't okay.
That's because I'm getting on my podcast. I hope that
it does stop because it's it's interpreted my personal life. Well,

(26:50):
I don't have a friend. I'm not dating because I
don't want them thinking that I'm crazy. Although they heard
of her Man's drum or, they might have heard a
little bit about it, but they don't know much about it.
They still like, it's not a big deal. But it's
a big deal to me. It's a big deal to

(27:16):
me because it's happening to me, and no one wants this.
All know worse than me. If they do, then that's
something that they desire. I just wanted to stop. I

(27:37):
just wanted to be turned off and who was doing it,
to be arrested, all the things that they did to me.
I'm writing about it in my next book and the
Plain Insight. And the Plain Insight is about the migrating
frequency MCC filing by David or Say who filers actually

(28:02):
see filing on the September sixteen, twenty sixteen. I believe
it's the twenty first and twenty second. If you google it,
you can read up on any syndrome. You can go
on YouTube. There's a lot of video on it. There's

(28:22):
a lot of video on it. So I would say
go on YouTube, google it, find out what it is,

(28:47):
how it could happen to you, and it is not
happening to you, and you're lucky, Well, thank you all

(29:11):
so much for tuning in to myself about Break podcast,
I won't be talking more about the man in syndrome.
Next week is gonna be about rain next not next week,
but then next two weeks it's gonna be about break.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
And the man said, thank you so much for tuning in,
and I appreciate you. Have a good night. H
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