September 28, 2025 • 45 mins
In this special bonus episode, Johnny Mac chats with Julie Seabaugh, producer (and idea originator!) of t the new Marc Maron documentary, 'Are We Good?', which hits theaters on October 3rd.
This documentary provides a raw and intimate portrayal of comedian and podcaster Marc Maron, focusing on his life after the sudden loss of his partner, Lynn Shelton.
Julie Seabaugh, the film's producer and story editor, discusses the inspiration behind the documentary and provides insights into Maron's journey through grief and creative resurgence. The discussion touches on Maron's personal and professional struggles, his impact on comedy, and the therapeutic aspects of his work.
The episode also teases Julie's upcoming Mitch Hedberg documentary.
The normal Sunday episode (which was fun!!) went out earlier today.
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This documentary provides a raw and intimate portrayal of comedian and podcaster Marc Maron, focusing on his life after the sudden loss of his partner, Lynn Shelton.
Julie Seabaugh, the film's producer and story editor, discusses the inspiration behind the documentary and provides insights into Maron's journey through grief and creative resurgence. The discussion touches on Maron's personal and professional struggles, his impact on comedy, and the therapeutic aspects of his work.
The episode also teases Julie's upcoming Mitch Hedberg documentary.
The normal Sunday episode (which was fun!!) went out earlier today.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/daily-comedy-news-with-johnny-mac--4522158/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Callaroga Shark Media.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hi there, Johnny Mack. This is a bonus episode on
this Friday, October third. The Mark Maren documentary Are We
Good hits theaters. This raw, intimate portrait of comedian and
podcast pioneer Mark Maron follows the sudden loss of his
partner and filmmaker Lynn Shelton. Maren struggles with grief, disillusionment,
and a shifting comedy landscape, processing it all both on
(00:32):
stage and off. My guest today is Julie Sebaw. She
is the film's producer, story editor, and originator. She'll explain
where this came from. She's also working on a Mitch
Hedberg documentary that'll be out in twenty six. We talked
about that a little as well. Just while I have
your attention, I hope I have your attention if you're
listening to my podcast. Earlier today, the Normal Sunday episode
(00:53):
went out and Johnny Mack's a little punchy on that one.
That wasn't a lot of fun, So don't blow that
one off. Let's jump in midsrailer here. The voices you're
going to hear are David Cross, Mark Maren, and then
John mulaney This is a snippet from the trailer to
give you a little taste.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I met Mark in the early eighties.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I was one of a handful of people.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
There weren't many who could tolerate them. I couldn't draw,
no matter how many Conan's I did. And that was
part of the beginning of the podcast. It's happening. I'm
Mark Maren. This is my podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, there's that lou read line. I accept the new
found man, and that that is what Mark became. Are
we good? The Mark Maren documentary in theaters when hour
thirty seven minutes long. In Deuter's Friday, October third, here's
Julie Sebaugh. All right, let me ask the lame question.
Why Mark Maren?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Why now Martin Mare? Uh? Yeah, there's something about this
guy in a sea of comedians where he's always stood out.
I've always been a massive fan. He speaks from not
just the brain, not just from his gut. You know,
this is up he has to say, and he needs
(02:02):
this connection on stage with people kind of in order
to function, and you see that a lot in comedians.
But he's just endlessly watchable for his ability to you know,
pull no punches, no holds barred. He will go there
anything that is on his mind. And it's been that
way for you know, his careers now, however, many decades,
(02:28):
and he never really felt like he was successful or
influential or moved a needle in any way. And I
find not extremely interesting that he couldn't see what his
fans saw. And then I was watching his instagram lives
(02:48):
when the pandemic struck. He was kind of the first
one doing those instagrams at that time. Also, just like
he was popularizing the podcast, and the stuff he was
shown was more you know, we're going into quarantine and
Lynn is here and here's the cats. And then it
changed very grammatically when Lynn suddenly passed away. It was
(03:11):
an undiagnosed form of leukemia. Came absolutely out of nowhere,
just lost her super suddenly. After realizing that he had
found the love of his life, this was kind of
what he'd been waiting for the whole time. And so
I was very struck by the question of know, how
is he going to go on to create comedy material
(03:33):
after this, and also is she going to stick with him?
Is he going to be the person he's always been,
or is he going to be a new, better version
of Mark Marin from her influence on him and just
the way he was talking about her was the most raw, beautiful,
brilliant stuff I'd seen a comedian putting out there, you know,
(03:55):
through his Instagram and podcast. And they realized someone should
docu meant this next time in his life. And after
thinking about it a while, you know, as a major
fan who started to make films, I realized it was
me and I put together, you know, all the materials,
reread the books, you started pulling some of the clips,
(04:18):
and eventually approached state Stephen fine Arts, who'd made the
Bitter Buddha documentary that Maren was in, and they had
kind of a contentuous relationship, which I know is shocking
with Marvin, but I also knew that he would yell
at fine Arts through the camera, and so that was
the reason. Yeah, I kind of feel like I know
Maren better than he knows him still up at this point,
(04:40):
because he's talking about he's going to quit comedy, he's
going to move to Canada, and I'm just knowing, yeah,
I don't think that's going to happen. I think he's
going to go on stage and create the best material
is ever created in his life, and that is what happened.
And so the documentary basically follows this period his life
(05:01):
where he's dealing with grief and who's turning it into comedy.
And I think that's always my favorite thing about stand
up comedy is how we can use it to help
us with all of these emotions that the world constantly
grows at us. And he even says in the doc
grief is an unusual it happens to everyone. This is
(05:22):
just my turn. And so yeah, it's just basically following
following this guy on his journey, and I think that
people can learn a lot from it. It's funny, it's
super sad, and there's lots of cats. The cats are
proving very popular.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It's amazing in that he's doing his strongest work now
on this side of just a horrible, devastating tragedy. He's
at the peak of his powers, and he's about to
walk away from the podcast when we probably need him most.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I think you're right about that. Many fans who thinks
the podcast should not be indeed, But yeah, it's an
interesting time for him also because he has been trying
to find a bit more peace in his life. You know,
he turned sixty. His birthday party, we're just kind of
looking back at his life is also included in the documentary.
(06:20):
And he knows that he can be his own worst enemy,
and I think he's just trying to be an old
man in peace. Really, he's been fighting for so long,
and there's definitely new generations, contrary to what he thinks,
who are maimulating him in terms of knowing really forcing
(06:42):
themselves to produce quality comedy that's uniquely personal to them
that no one else could be doing, and also carrying
his mantle in terms of, you know, his political beliefs.
He does think that his popularity with his podcast has
a some negative consequences. You know, the Joe Rogan parallels
(07:06):
are always very interesting. But yeah, I think he's already
established his place in the world enough that I don't
probably doesn't have anything else to prove. We would like
to continue having him as long as possible. They'll still
be doing stand up, of course, but yeah, I think
it's just interesting to kind of look at the podcast
(07:27):
as a collection of it's committing it to history. For yeah,
it's already in you know, the Hall of Fame for podcast.
He's won all the awards. He's going to start doing
some directing also, so he's continuing to b mart Maron,
just in different form.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
We talk about the Joe Rogan of the Left. I
feel like he could be the Joe Rogan of the Left.
I totally get the podcast is a body of work
and we're done with it. But I do see a
scenario where you could do almost something like Bird does. Hey, Mark,
could you come on on Monday and do twelve minutes
about politics and be the Joe Rogan of the left.
You have to go away totally. Like, I get you
don't want to prep for guests. I get you want
(08:06):
to take your foot off the gas. It's six years old.
I get all that, But can you do ten minutes
every other week?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I'll just say, as somebody who knows Maren very well
at this point, I can I can tell what kind
of a mood he's in by the pants who's wearing,
Like I will say, I would not be surprised if
anything like that, Just despite is saying to the contrary,
because I think he always knows that his fans will
(08:32):
be there, and you know, again he's infinitely watchable, and
that he will do different forms of entertainment. But no
one's gonna tell him what to do. This is Mark Maren.
We can't shape his opinions.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Hopefully I have some good questions later. But I do
have a few name questions up top, and one of
which was, what is Mark Maren like? Now? I think
you may have opened the door there where he said
he just wants to, you know, go a way in peace.
I think, and hopefully this isn't a false memory. I
think I had a conversation with him back in two
thousand and three or four in my early run at
(09:07):
Serious Satellite Radio. I feel like I was talking to
him in the lobby and that would have been Air
America's Mark Mariner right after that period, and he was
perfectly nice. I have nothing bad to say about him,
but I just feel like his vibe was like, no,
I'm good, you know, let me know when it's time
to go back in the studio, and wasn't looking to hang,
wasn't looking at a no hang. It just was like,
I'm just here, I'm good man. Is that how he's like?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I try to keep a respectful distance and not bother
him too much, although I fail frequently. Yeah, even before
this documentary. I'd written the five different journalistic pieces over
the years, from Village Boys to La Times. Yeah, he
certainly does have that prickly exterior, but I think we
(09:49):
know as all comics, it's hiding something for Shure. Even
now today, he's kind of been experimenting with medication. I
think a lot of people think he probably just has
often is a more ADHD. It's gone undiagnosed, and that
might not be a lodge if there is some exploraging
in that area. But yeah, I think it's all It's
(10:11):
a safety mechanism, you know, it really is. Once your
nervous system is wired in a certain way, it's very
difficult to change it. I use comedy to try to
do it personally. But yeah, I think he's trying to
kind of figure out between the X tier and IN tier.
Like you said, how to just have more peace in
(10:32):
his life. It's been sixty years of chaos. Like you know,
let the man have a good time for once.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Makes total sense. We'll circle back to Maren for sure.
I do want to talk about your resume. I love
having guests on here. I explain to my audience I
know more about comedy than most people if we go
down to the bar, there's a good chance I know
more about it put us on the bar. But the
other people who know more about comedy than me know
way more about comedy I do, and I'll put you
(11:01):
in that bucket because of the work that you've done.
I've read your pieces, I know some of your upcoming work.
I know this work. I just love to hear you
explain to the audience your comedy journey.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Oh yeah, thanks. I consider myself a professional comedy fan. Really,
I did not know what stand up comedy was until
my senior year of college because I grew up on
a farm in Missouri without cable and not much to
do other than read. So I had all the books,
all the magazines. I was very into film and music,
(11:37):
and I thought I was going to write about that
one day. So at the University of Missouri, I studied
journalism and senior year, David tel Caaman did a show
and I got to interview him beforehand, and then we
hung out backstage and we went across the street to
the journalism bar and he got everyone drunk on Ye
you're misto and so is the height of insomniac, which
(11:59):
was the most amazing experience for a college senior about
to unleash themselves on the world of journalism. And I
immediately moved to New York and started hanging out the
Comedy Seller and bugging David tell more More all the time,
still to both day, But yeah, I just fell in
love with it because at that time, it felt like
(12:21):
no one was writing about comedy as seriously as we
see today. This was a time when comedy coverage was
more shoved than like with the calendar listings or the
music events, and it wasn't being perceived as individual artists
with their own perspectives and their own means to say.
(12:41):
It was just kind of a generic comedy. It's something
you can watch on the weekends, and I really wanted
to change that. Yeah, it's been twenty two years of
writing about comedy. I've recently decided to call myself less
of a journalist and more of a opera and documentarian,
(13:01):
but that's a natural progression anyway. But yeah, I've covered
all the festivals. I've been freelanced for most of the time,
so have written for basically any title you can think of,
and I just can't get enough. I love the live
comedy experience sitting in the bat row of a room
and watching all these different people from different backgrounds and
(13:24):
who knows why they're there tonight, but they've all gathered
in this one space now, laughing at the same thing
at the same time in a way that's completely unable
to be recreated again. And I just leave there feeling
a little bit more optimism for the world. We can
all agree in this thing. Maybe we'd agree on more
that doesn't know its work out well. But that's my
(13:45):
favorite part about comedy, of being able to kind of
lose yourself in it and feel that sense of connection.
And I will talk about comedy all day long. If
someone lets.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
We're coming up with Julie Sebah. The documentary is called
Are We Good? It's all about Mark Marin. Now. Behind
the scenes, we had a little bit of audio problems.
It was almost as if we were in space, like
if you watch a space movie, say Apollo thirteen, and
there's that slight delay, and you may have noticed that
we were sort of speaking in paragraphs. That I didn't
(14:16):
do what I normally do and jump in mid sentence
because I'm enthusiastic. So I don't want you to think
that I wasn't interested in the answers. We knew about
the glitches, and I told Julie, I'm just going to
hang back and let you speak in complete sentences so
I don't step on you. So I didn't mention that
at the open because I didn't want to poison your
brain about it. But if for some reason you listen
to that last segment you're like just not saying anything.
(14:38):
That's why John isn't saying anything more with Julie Sebaugh
after this. Now you dropped a note there. I want
to circle back to can you tell me about the
roast of Julie? Who roasted you? That must have been amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
My fortieth birthday roaster was held in the belly room
of the Comedy Store about two and a half weeks
before Penn. It was sold out, full room. I mean
the belly rooms very small, but yeah, there's a lot
of industry and comics there. And at the end it
was Jeff Ross and Davittel and I said some jokes
(15:13):
about let's see the Joka talked about Jeff Ross was, uh,
we're hey, we're in the belly room home of Jeff
Ross presents Rose Battle and Jeff Ross presents the historical roast.
When's Jeff Ross going to present his own material? Again?
That's why I'm not a comic. But do you tell
(15:33):
every time I have sex dreams about David Tell, I
wake up covered and hummus, those are the ones I remember.
But it's also like Mike Lawrence, Brad Williams. There was
some roast battlers, Jay Light, Nicole Bacannon. Yeah, that was
probably the highlight of my comedy career as far as
(15:55):
I'm being roasted for my fortieth and it's all downhill. Yeah,
it was a great night. I was too nervous to
really enjoy it, but looking back, that was really really special.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I love to tell. If I had to bet on
one comedian do fifteen minutes and just crushing the room.
You can't touch your normal material, just wing fifteen minutes,
I would pick David Tel.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah. Just the idea of seeing this guy who we
all think is so brillant, and we all watched his
last special probably four or five times each.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I know it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I know it's true, and he doesn't think he's that
good either. I even reproached him about different projects in
the past, and he's like ah, nobody cares like No,
people care You're You're very influential and insomniac, got a
lot of people into comedy myself. Yeah, so I would
(16:44):
love to do something on him at some point, but
you gotta again get past that exterior. I'm gonna keep
working on it.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well, let's zero in on the documentary. Who's part of it?
How did it come together? And how do you get
Mark Merin even agreed to this thing.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, after Lynn died and I started realizing that something
needs to be made, it was either going to be
a film or you know, just a regular journalism piece
something like that. The first time when Fine Arts and
I approached him was via email to have a zoom pitch,
which he was completely noncommittal to in late twenty twenty.
(17:18):
We had another one in early spring, and then when
the venues started reopening after COVID in May of twenty
twenty one, and he went up at the Comedy Store finally,
after a week it had been open, and he'd been
saying he's quitting moving Canada all that stuff, And when
I thought he was going to be there, I told
(17:39):
Fine Arts to bring a camera and show up at
the Comedy store and we went in and basically told
him he we're doing this now, and you know, he
realizes when things can be of value to him and
it did take a while to kind of break down
the external shell. But it really is the most raw
(18:02):
you've ever seen him in a lot of ways. Again,
there's laughing, that's crying, there's again the cats are a
big part of it as well. But yeah, when you
start to get people like John Mulaney, some great stories
from Caroline Ray, David Cross, Sam Lipsy, his best friend,
his producer Brendan McDonald, to really kind of fill in
(18:26):
these places in his story over his life or he
might have one view of it, but people have a
different view of it. And actually when he watched it
for the first time, the first cut he saw was
the last week of February before South By Southwest, and
I remember getting an email from him and he said
(18:46):
he actually learned a lot about himself from watching it.
So I think it was just trusting that process of
you know who, those people can tell this story in
the right way and they're not going to screw over
And yeah, it was just kind of which is Yeah,
it was. It was a five year labor of love
that I think we're all really proud.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Of in the end, is this therapy for him or
is this like a low key victory lap or he
wouldn't admit to that, or both or neither, Yeah, all
the above. Maybe.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, He's definitely still doing therapy here here and there.
He might think it's not enough, but and still you
know his meetings, you know the recovery meetings, those are
still in full effect. I do think that the timing
of him wanting to quit the podcast now is very
(19:40):
interesting because he does view it as a statement piece
about Mark Marin and kind of wrapping up this circle
of this time in his life. Yeah. I think it's
going to be a matter of really being honest with
himself and really opening the door to new possibilities. I
think he's trying. It's hard. It's hard for all of us,
(20:04):
and he's just the one we're watching do it and
try to hit some inspiration in the meantime.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
It's so interesting about Pete Mehren. His last special clearly
is best. He's even said that, And I teach you
a few college classes. They teach you about the Obama
episode as the best podcast episode ever done. No qualifier.
The reason I say that, if you listen to it.
At first, the President of the United States shows up,
and then at some point mister Obama drops that he's
just baracking a garage having a conversation with Mark, and
(20:30):
towards the end the President of the United States comes back.
But for the middle there there's two guys in a
garage and it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, that's the whole goal of WTF is. He wanted
real people to drop the facade and have a conversation
with him person to persian, and the formula has worked
extremely well. My favorite episode is Todd Glass personally because
when we went on and chose that as a platform
(20:56):
to come out of the closet and kind of tell
his story, it was Maren that he trusted and it
was so again, so beautiful. Just the trust he put
in Maren and the idea that this was the platform
where comics felt safe and understood, I thought was hugely just.
(21:20):
I listened to that all the time, still in a
lot of ways for different and also I know todded
last too, but there's just a different way of interacting
when you can shut out all those distractions and you're
in the sound proper and it's just you another person
where you can really I'm going to use the word
(21:42):
unmask which has to do with neurodivergens. But there's yeah,
something uniek he created in that he wanted to be
liked and we wanted to like him, and this was
kind of our from Avatar for doing so. So yeah,
I think there's this I would I want to hear
more about your class, but I think there's endlessly examples
(22:03):
and I want to take it. I want to take
your book. Yeah, they're just endless examples of moments from
the podcast that you know, you really see humanity, you
know in a way that a lot of these comedians
and actors and everyone else he has on. It's not
just typical promotion. And again it says in the movie
like you're coming into Maren's world, you have to talk
(22:26):
to him. You have to be yourself. That's the reason
why WTF has worked all this time.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
So when you flip that and Mark's on the other
side of the camera, how do you make sure you're
capturing real Mark Maren and not know I'm on camera
right now, I better turn it on or show this
side of my personality. How do you get the real guy?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I feel like the real Mark Maren is never far
from the service. It's oways bursting to come out. And
it really was just a matter of waiting for those moments,
and we had a lot of footage, We went to
a lot of cities and again five year labor of love,
and it was just a matter of really going in
(23:02):
and focusing on what are the actual merit moments, you know,
what is uniquely and what is he's saying that no
one else is going to say, and also being really
truthful about it and not making it a promotional or
a pup piece or anything like that. And again he
didn't see it until the end, so I can say
(23:25):
all of that. And yet also in certain ways he
didn't have a choice. What's what He decided this is
going to be a real thing with real emotions, and
we were all just kind of along for the ride
with it together with him.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
How does it work creatively? Does he have sign off
at all if he doesn't like the final version of it?
So there's the legal aspect of the question, there's the
spiritual aspect of that question. And he clearly didn't set
up to do a hit piece on Mark Marron. But
along the way if we found out, I don't know,
he throws eggs at children on Halloween, and he was like,
don't put that in. That makes me look jerky. What's
signe off there? What's the verbal agreement, the spiritual agreement?
(24:02):
And how do you approach that as a creator?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
The only thing was if he could say if something
made him uncomfortable, and there was none of it at all.
There was a few jokes that some of the interviewees
made at his expense that got removed that didn't really
add anything to the story, but that was really it.
He saw it about ninety nine percent as audience. We'll
(24:30):
start seeing it next week on Friday. Yeah, he was
very trusting, probably more so than he should have been.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That's a very interesting answer. Let's expand on that. More
than he should have been? What do you mean there?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It really was just about having these previous relationships. I
don't think anybody else could have pulled this off. I've
known him for fifteen years. I think Fine Arts was
maybe a little bit less, and that was kind of
all the people he had to deal with. Nobody else,
So it was just really having this circle of knowing
(25:05):
we're gonna all do the right thing here and make it,
like I said, not a hit piece, not a puff piece,
but honest, you know, I'm someone who's done journalism twenty
two years and that's what I want. I want a
journalistic story where you're showing, not telling. Everything speaks for itself.
You don't need to color it with opinions. Yeah, I
(25:28):
cannot say how proud I am of finally getting this done.
And I think it's very emotional and you're actually kind
of getting me like thinking like, yeah, we really did
do a good job here. When you're caught up in
it for five years, it's hard to see that. But yeah,
I'm not sure other than like, Maren's an amazing subject
(25:52):
and when he allows you to do what you do best,
then everyone wins.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
You're really speaking about trust and the entertainment industries. We
both know there are a few people that aren't so awesome.
There are a few people are awesome. There's someone aren't awesome.
And I think that knowing you're working with somebody who's
not going to hand in a hit piece or a
jerk face piece, I think that really goes a long way.
So I'll plaud you for that for having that with
Mark Marin, who I imagine is guarded.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
You are correct, Yes, it really has this been you
know again, she's known us for so long. That being said, Uh,
here's a tip for everyone, especially the ladies. Get it
all on writing record all of your meetings. Don't allow
yourself to be in a position of taking advantage of Uh.
(26:42):
That's yeah, that's just a tip for everyone. Protect yourselves,
but also don't lose that humanity and trust. At the
same time, just backing up with some paperwar.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
We're coming up with Julie Seabaws we talk about the documentary.
Are we good? All about Mark Maron? Because I'm an
honest person, I just want to let you know in
that last I did revoice my questions to clear up
some audio glitches, but you didn't notice. Did you know
you didn't? You are also working on a Mitch Hedberg documentary.
(27:12):
Now I'm obsessed with Mitch Edburg. When I heard this
thing was happening, I couldn't wait for it. As I
prepped for a conversation today, I saw that you had
mentioned in a different interview that Mitch Hepburg was a
good interview himself.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I did interview him for a couple different times, but
the main one was for Las Vegas Weekly about six
months before it passed away. This was for the Stephen
Lynch Comedy Central Live tour that they did, and he
was just so expansive and personal and was talking about
(27:47):
loving Lynn, his wife, and the relationship he wanted to
have with his parents, and how he just wanted to
be a free spirit, and these are all things we
loved about Mitch. Anyway, he was another like you can
just tell he's good birth and yeah, his story is
endlessly fascinating to me. He was always my number one.
(28:07):
We have the same birthday. I actually knew his mother
fairly well before she passed away in twenty twelve. But yeah,
we all know the Mitch Hedberg story is one that
is so evergreen. His material can be listened to forever.
It's not about you know, political jokes or sex jokes
(28:29):
or even I think he maybe had one or two
curse words in his material ever, but just the most
pure mind of you know, these kind of well thought
out one liners that put a whole new perspective on
the world. And like you see things through Mitch's lens
(28:49):
when you hear it its material. It's completely unlike anyone else,
although he definitely has a lot of imitators these days.
For sure, I could name a lot of them, but
I will. No one has ever really known the full
Mitch Hedward story because in a lot of ways, it
ended in two thousand and five when he died, when
the Internet was just coming into its own and social media,
(29:12):
whereas you know, kind of the treasure trovee of all
his material. These days, you can watch endless quips and
there's so much about his life that is completely uncovered.
People kind of know that he gives some comedy in Seattle,
but that's about it. But there's a whole entire life
before he was really well known in about ninety eight
(29:35):
that we cover all the entire thing from first hand sources.
That again, Jeff Siegel, the director, has been very adamant
about tracking down everyone. It's over one hundred plus people
and it's gonna be eventually. We've wanted to kind of
keep it small circle and do it the right way
(29:57):
because a lot of people, myself included, have tried to
do different Mitch projects in the past, and there are
reasons that they get shut down, and we kind of
went around some of these reasons for this, and that's
why it's actually going to finally happen. And I cannot
say enough how much this will be a career highlight,
(30:20):
and I know full well, but everything else is dath
ill prem here.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I hope it creates another Mitch renaissance. We had one
when the Internet really took off. But he has so
many signature bits, like if I run into a can
of mister Pibb at the supermarket, I will take a
photo of it and send it to somebody. If I'm
at Hershey Park and they're selling frozen bananas, my daughter
gets a ten minute routine about how I don't want
a frozen banana now, but I might want a regular
banana later. If I'm at a subway, she gets a
(30:46):
duck's bits. It's all just in my brain, So it'd
be great to see another wave of it. I just
feel like edburg Mania has cooled off over time. It
will happen to anybody who's not putting out active material,
But you know, I really look forward to this.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
All of us on this team, there's four core members
that we all knew Mitch personally, and it loved him
adored him, and the idea that he does continue having
this legacy is sort of part of the you know,
the pitching per se. His album Mitch Altogether only went
(31:22):
gold a couple of years ago, and we actually have
footage of Jack Vaughn from Comedy Central Records presenting Mitch's father,
Arnie with the gold record that would have been Mitch's.
So that's kind of a team we have in the documentary.
Not not to give it all away, but he does
continue selling. It's true, and especially you know on the
(31:45):
digital stations the Comedy Central Records on serious Sex and
then plays his step all the time. Yeah, he's kind
of perfect for those clips of chopping them up with
small amounts the bite size of Mitch hedbird jokes. Yeah,
and even our team kind of what you're saying, we
still responded his stuff all the time. I said a
(32:06):
picture broke an escalator to the team the other day
because we just want to talk about him all the time,
or like this is hey, I lived by the Coach
and Horses Bar where he used to go with Doug
Stanhope and they once met Quentin Tarantino, and that'll be
a story. We're constantly geeking out about Mitch through this
(32:28):
whole process. It's the best project, and again, it will
never be as good as this one.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I also know Jack Vaughan. He has the job now
that I used to have, and I knew him when
he was running Comedy Central Records, and we did the
Comedy Central Radio deal together. So at some point I
wanted to do a Headbird tribute on serious comedy. This
was pre merger. But I'm not a ghoul, so I'm
not going to call in Shawcroft and be like, hey,
your husband died yesterday. Can we do something? You know,
I waited maybe nine months a year. She said nobody
(32:56):
had really reached down to her. So she comes in
and we do the tribute and stand Hope's part of it.
And I wound up in the back studio with her,
a really small studio and smaller than the room that
I'm in now, and she had Mitch's cassettes and she
hadn't listened to them. I'm telling you this is a
true story. I was sitting there with a woman and
she hadn't heard them. I saw her emotionally react to them,
and she's playing some late in life sets Mitch had
(33:20):
done and I said to her, you've got an album here,
and I don't make albums. I don't want anything out
of this. I just want to hear the materials A
fan and connected her with Jack and that's where that
posthumous album came from. And it was just I'm so
glad that that material got out there.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Mitch was already under contract for an album where he died,
and as far as I know, Wynn had to produce one.
But yeah, I guess it was. Yeah, it wasn't going
to be clear where that material was going to come from.
And I remember that tribute you did too. I was
listening to it crying the whole time too.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
It was amazing. I never got meet him. The other
touchdown in my career there was because I remember the
day clearly. We were doing Jim Brewers Afternoon Show and
we were at the car show in New York City
and Jim was crossy because the night before Jim had
to cover for Mitch Heedbergh who didn't show up for reasons.
(34:19):
We didn't know what happened, and we heard in the
middle of the show. We all we're at the car
show and Jim's performing two hundreds of people live and
we heard this. We were all just devastated, and you know,
Brewer did the radio show and then we all felt
like jack holes for the way we were, you know,
five minutes ago. It was like, ah, I can't believe
that guy didn't show up, and they're like, oh my god.
It was just I can still feel it coming back
(34:41):
as I tell you the story.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, I remember the feeling of it hitting me when
I heard too. I was returning from a comedy show
late at night. I was living in New York at
that time and had just seen him at Carolines just
before with all the when all the rock stars were there.
Mike Brobiglia opened partially that weekend, and someone wrote me
(35:04):
a message that said, by now you've heard that Mitch
Hedberg gets passed away, and I have not until that message.
And the message went on to say something to the
effect of he liked his fans and he knew you
were one of them, and that's what's important. But yeah,
I had a terrible month, that entire month when he died.
(35:27):
A lot of people I think did I don't know
if you were at the Carolines memorial, but I've blocked
a lot of that out because it was so emotionally devastating.
I was sitting next to this publicist, Michael O'Brien on
this side of me, and I had a program on
this side of me, and I couldn't look up at anyone.
I just kept looking down at this program of tears
(35:47):
streaming down life face the entire time. But I do
the few things I do remember is davidtel being on
stage cry and that was horrifictasy. The same with Mike Robiglia.
But then also towards the ending, they let in just
a bunch of fans who had kind of clambered around outside,
(36:08):
and they were telling the stories that we heard about
the time he bought the college students an air conditioner,
or someone needed a radiator for his car and Mitch
bought them a radiator for the Those stories came out
as well. And that was also the first time Jana Johnson,
his longtime girlfriend of nine years prior to Lynn and
(36:31):
the woman who's very essentially responsible for his career, and
she was managing him and got them every opportunity that
she could. She had an elegy that eulogy that she
had written that was the first biographical account of Mitch
before we all started really knowing him around ninety eight
(36:51):
or so, and I do remember feeling like, oh, someone
needs to get projects on him going immediately, because no,
no one knows any of this story. But that was
twenty years ago at this point. So yeah, the amount
of emotion I tied into Mitch just because I did
(37:14):
feel like I connected with so much, and the birthday
thing and these are all very superficial. But I think
you know what I mean and understand that people just
love the Mitch for who he was in so many ways.
We don't feel that personal connection really with He loved
the person behind the jokes a lot. But yeah, Mitch's evergreen, eternal,
(37:40):
his stuff works all around the world, who his will
just a really unique, magical guy. And I will continue
talking about him until you cut me off.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I'm always wanted to think about what if to know
at that stage in his career, he was starting to
have to speed up the act because people in the
audience were stepping on the punchlines and he was working
a little more quickly. It would have been interesting to
see the evolution of ten years later, twenty years later,
as he's still working at that deliberate pace no, Stephen
Wright still does or would there have been an evolution.
(38:13):
We'll never know, And it's just one of those things
that I think about when his name comes up.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Certainly some of the timing of material was affected by
drugs at that point. That's something Jack Rown has also
talked about when he recorded the second album. And it's
pretty obvious, you know, to some people, maybe not if
you were a college student at that point, just thinking
he's a funny character. I'm describing myself in Clasi's not
(38:39):
clear the drug thing hit a lot of people by
surprise if you weren't kind of you know, inner circle
in industry at that time. But yeah, just the idea that, like,
I mean, so many people in the documentary say he
would be doing arenas, he would have so many Netflix vetals,
(39:01):
But other people say he wouldn't like social media at all,
and he probably would have left comedy. So we don't know,
but I think any of those paths make a lot
of sense for the artists that we knew.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I could see that you seem to know Jack Vaughn
pretty well. I used to accuse him of being a
secret agent. First of all, his name is Jack Vaughan,
He's a nice looking guy. If he ever told you
a story about what he would do on vacation, it
was always some exotic locale with like a great story
to it, And I'm like, you're clearly on my sex.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Jack Vonn, I've known since two about two weeks after
I first moved to New York after I graduated college,
when I went to the Virgin Records megastore in Times
Square for David Tell's release of Skanks for the Memories,
and I have a photo that Jack Vaughn took of
me and David's hell, and he's been very nice to
(39:53):
me ever since. I agree that Jack Vaughn is one
of the nicest people in comedy. But he also spent
his you know, his FA was with Peace Corps, right,
and he's traveled the world his entire life. So yeah,
he's a very experienced traveler in lots of ways, physically, mentally.
I trust him more than anyone else in comedy. Jack,
(40:15):
don't listen to.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
This, all right, So you came out here to promote
a Marin documentary and I get a headberg Land, and
then we did ten minutes on Jackonville. So let me
ask you about Mark Maron, What was the unexpected thing
that you found out that when you went into this
Oh yeah, Oh.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
That's a good one. I think it really was that
idea that he didn't see himself as that successful kind
of shocking, really, and he never really liked the fact
that he became better known for his podcasts than his
comedy and just really kind of trying to understand what
that must be like in his mind. I think was
(40:52):
probably the most shopping partly. You're clearly, clearly one of
the best it's ever existed. But again, maybe that's something
all of us can learn. You know, we're all doing
a little bit better than we think we are.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Maybe one of the all time grades if we made
a list of stand up comedians, he's going to make
it sure. You're one of the all time. You're the
old Ghini podcaster, so there. But again, from stand up
comedy standpoint, at sixty years old, you just put out
your best work, dude. We respect. Everybody loves that special.
I said every year, I do, like everyone else, the
top specials of the year. That's going to be number one.
(41:27):
I can't imagine what's going to knock that out of
number one.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Oh, I agree, for sure. For sure, he just keeps
getting better, and yet yeah, he wants to quit. So
these are why we keep the reasons why we just
keep watching these people like it's endlessly fascinating to follow
these comedy journeys and I can't get en up with it.
I just think Mark Maron was the best at this
(41:52):
at this specific period of time to follow. I don't
think there's going to be unless we have, you know,
other pandemics, or well, we will certainly have other upheavals.
But it was something about the context of being in
that time and watching how he dealt with everything that
not only we were all going through, but his own
(42:12):
loss and grief at the same time. That just meant,
you know, if he can keep going after this, we
can too. And that's just comedy in a nutshell.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
So is the thesis here not to be modeling that
the tragic event just pushed him to the next level
or helped him focus. It seems to clearly be a
focal point and his strongest work has come after that.
So is that a moment?
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I would say that it was something thrust upon him
and he, yeah, dealt with it as he could, and
we just wanted to make sure we were there to
capture it. Obviously, it's the most dramatic thing that's ever
happened to him, but you know, by far we can
see that very clearly what he manages to keep going
(43:04):
and like you said, create the best material he's ever done.
And how does comedy actually allow us to do that,
especially through his eyes? Yeah, I'm not sure I'm actually
answering the question, but there was just something about that
moment in that time and watching him go through all
(43:25):
this and kind of start to come out the other
side through humor that I think is again universal timeless,
can't get enough of it. I will watch comedians create
material on the challenging times forever. Yeah, and he's just
kind of the best. So that's why it made you know,
(43:48):
it was very difficult, but I'm glad we did it
for sure. For sure.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Do you imagine fans will come away laughing or we'll
be crying? Will we get into understanding of Mark Bhern
all of that?
Speaker 1 (43:59):
All the above? For sure? Again, like I said, this
is watching him make new material in the wake of
this tragedy. So you see him experimenting the process, putting
it together for better and for worse, and there's definitely
a lot of crime as well. For sure. I have
(44:21):
not gotten out of a screening yet without people crying.
So yeah, the full emotional spectrum. And it even works
if you're not a fan of Mark Marin, because again
we're you know, be latering the point by now. But
this is something that happens to everyone. Here's how this
guy dealt with it.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
And that's all I have for you. See, here's what happened.
When we were recording. The upload stalled at ninety six percent,
so I don't have the rest of the conversation, which
kind of sucks. But I asked her about it being
in theaters, and you know, can I just hide out
in the basement of crying. She's like, nope, it's in theaters.
She did suggest that possible, perhaps maybe there might be
another way to see this down the road, but this
(45:03):
week it's in theaters and it sounds fantastic. So at
the end, you know, like we do, I go, hey,
thanks for coming on. She said nice things to me.
I said nice things back, but I don't have any
of that, so just imagine how that went. I want
something like this, Hey, Julie, appreciate your time, really looking
forward to this. Thanks for coming on today, and then
she said something nice in my general direction, and then
we said bye, and then there was some after stuff
(45:23):
after the recording about you know, hey, I hope you'll
come back with a Mitch thing and we said all that,
but you know, you wouldn't have heard that anyway, because
I wouldn't have included that in the podcast. So you're
actually getting more content that you would have. I'm punchy today.
All right, that is your bonus episode back in the
morning with a normal episode comedy. People. Can we keep
this thing calm. This has just been out of control lately.
Let's keep it simple. So Johnny Mack and watch football
(45:45):
all day, watch the Jets lose, and then we'll come
back in the morning with a normal episode of daily Comedys.
Appreciate you.
Callaroga Shark Media.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Hi there, Johnny Mack. This is a bonus episode on
this Friday, October third. The Mark Maren documentary Are We
Good hits theaters. This raw, intimate portrait of comedian and
podcast pioneer Mark Maron follows the sudden loss of his
partner and filmmaker Lynn Shelton. Maren struggles with grief, disillusionment,
and a shifting comedy landscape, processing it all both on
(00:32):
stage and off. My guest today is Julie Sebaw. She
is the film's producer, story editor, and originator. She'll explain
where this came from. She's also working on a Mitch
Hedberg documentary that'll be out in twenty six. We talked
about that a little as well. Just while I have
your attention, I hope I have your attention if you're
listening to my podcast. Earlier today, the Normal Sunday episode
(00:53):
went out and Johnny Mack's a little punchy on that one.
That wasn't a lot of fun, So don't blow that
one off. Let's jump in midsrailer here. The voices you're
going to hear are David Cross, Mark Maren, and then
John mulaney This is a snippet from the trailer to
give you a little taste.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I met Mark in the early eighties.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I was one of a handful of people.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
There weren't many who could tolerate them. I couldn't draw,
no matter how many Conan's I did. And that was
part of the beginning of the podcast. It's happening. I'm
Mark Maren. This is my podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yeah, there's that lou read line. I accept the new
found man, and that that is what Mark became. Are
we good? The Mark Maren documentary in theaters when hour
thirty seven minutes long. In Deuter's Friday, October third, here's
Julie Sebaugh. All right, let me ask the lame question.
Why Mark Maren?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Why now Martin Mare? Uh? Yeah, there's something about this
guy in a sea of comedians where he's always stood out.
I've always been a massive fan. He speaks from not
just the brain, not just from his gut. You know,
this is up he has to say, and he needs
(02:02):
this connection on stage with people kind of in order
to function, and you see that a lot in comedians.
But he's just endlessly watchable for his ability to you know,
pull no punches, no holds barred. He will go there
anything that is on his mind. And it's been that
way for you know, his careers now, however, many decades,
(02:28):
and he never really felt like he was successful or
influential or moved a needle in any way. And I
find not extremely interesting that he couldn't see what his
fans saw. And then I was watching his instagram lives
(02:48):
when the pandemic struck. He was kind of the first
one doing those instagrams at that time. Also, just like
he was popularizing the podcast, and the stuff he was
shown was more you know, we're going into quarantine and
Lynn is here and here's the cats. And then it
changed very grammatically when Lynn suddenly passed away. It was
(03:11):
an undiagnosed form of leukemia. Came absolutely out of nowhere,
just lost her super suddenly. After realizing that he had
found the love of his life, this was kind of
what he'd been waiting for the whole time. And so
I was very struck by the question of know, how
is he going to go on to create comedy material
(03:33):
after this, and also is she going to stick with him?
Is he going to be the person he's always been,
or is he going to be a new, better version
of Mark Marin from her influence on him and just
the way he was talking about her was the most raw, beautiful,
brilliant stuff I'd seen a comedian putting out there, you know,
(03:55):
through his Instagram and podcast. And they realized someone should
docu meant this next time in his life. And after
thinking about it a while, you know, as a major
fan who started to make films, I realized it was
me and I put together, you know, all the materials,
reread the books, you started pulling some of the clips,
(04:18):
and eventually approached state Stephen fine Arts, who'd made the
Bitter Buddha documentary that Maren was in, and they had
kind of a contentuous relationship, which I know is shocking
with Marvin, but I also knew that he would yell
at fine Arts through the camera, and so that was
the reason. Yeah, I kind of feel like I know
Maren better than he knows him still up at this point,
(04:40):
because he's talking about he's going to quit comedy, he's
going to move to Canada, and I'm just knowing, yeah,
I don't think that's going to happen. I think he's
going to go on stage and create the best material
is ever created in his life, and that is what happened.
And so the documentary basically follows this period his life
(05:01):
where he's dealing with grief and who's turning it into comedy.
And I think that's always my favorite thing about stand
up comedy is how we can use it to help
us with all of these emotions that the world constantly
grows at us. And he even says in the doc
grief is an unusual it happens to everyone. This is
(05:22):
just my turn. And so yeah, it's just basically following
following this guy on his journey, and I think that
people can learn a lot from it. It's funny, it's
super sad, and there's lots of cats. The cats are
proving very popular.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
It's amazing in that he's doing his strongest work now
on this side of just a horrible, devastating tragedy. He's
at the peak of his powers, and he's about to
walk away from the podcast when we probably need him most.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I think you're right about that. Many fans who thinks
the podcast should not be indeed, But yeah, it's an
interesting time for him also because he has been trying
to find a bit more peace in his life. You know,
he turned sixty. His birthday party, we're just kind of
looking back at his life is also included in the documentary.
(06:20):
And he knows that he can be his own worst enemy,
and I think he's just trying to be an old
man in peace. Really, he's been fighting for so long,
and there's definitely new generations, contrary to what he thinks,
who are maimulating him in terms of knowing really forcing
(06:42):
themselves to produce quality comedy that's uniquely personal to them
that no one else could be doing, and also carrying
his mantle in terms of, you know, his political beliefs.
He does think that his popularity with his podcast has
a some negative consequences. You know, the Joe Rogan parallels
(07:06):
are always very interesting. But yeah, I think he's already
established his place in the world enough that I don't
probably doesn't have anything else to prove. We would like
to continue having him as long as possible. They'll still
be doing stand up, of course, but yeah, I think
it's just interesting to kind of look at the podcast
(07:27):
as a collection of it's committing it to history. For yeah,
it's already in you know, the Hall of Fame for podcast.
He's won all the awards. He's going to start doing
some directing also, so he's continuing to b mart Maron,
just in different form.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
We talk about the Joe Rogan of the Left. I
feel like he could be the Joe Rogan of the Left.
I totally get the podcast is a body of work
and we're done with it. But I do see a
scenario where you could do almost something like Bird does. Hey, Mark,
could you come on on Monday and do twelve minutes
about politics and be the Joe Rogan of the left.
You have to go away totally. Like, I get you
don't want to prep for guests. I get you want
(08:06):
to take your foot off the gas. It's six years old.
I get all that, But can you do ten minutes
every other week?
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I'll just say, as somebody who knows Maren very well
at this point, I can I can tell what kind
of a mood he's in by the pants who's wearing,
Like I will say, I would not be surprised if
anything like that, Just despite is saying to the contrary,
because I think he always knows that his fans will
(08:32):
be there, and you know, again he's infinitely watchable, and
that he will do different forms of entertainment. But no
one's gonna tell him what to do. This is Mark Maren.
We can't shape his opinions.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Hopefully I have some good questions later. But I do
have a few name questions up top, and one of
which was, what is Mark Maren like? Now? I think
you may have opened the door there where he said
he just wants to, you know, go a way in peace.
I think, and hopefully this isn't a false memory. I
think I had a conversation with him back in two
thousand and three or four in my early run at
(09:07):
Serious Satellite Radio. I feel like I was talking to
him in the lobby and that would have been Air
America's Mark Mariner right after that period, and he was
perfectly nice. I have nothing bad to say about him,
but I just feel like his vibe was like, no,
I'm good, you know, let me know when it's time
to go back in the studio, and wasn't looking to hang,
wasn't looking at a no hang. It just was like,
I'm just here, I'm good man. Is that how he's like?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
I try to keep a respectful distance and not bother
him too much, although I fail frequently. Yeah, even before
this documentary. I'd written the five different journalistic pieces over
the years, from Village Boys to La Times. Yeah, he
certainly does have that prickly exterior, but I think we
(09:49):
know as all comics, it's hiding something for Shure. Even
now today, he's kind of been experimenting with medication. I
think a lot of people think he probably just has
often is a more ADHD. It's gone undiagnosed, and that
might not be a lodge if there is some exploraging
in that area. But yeah, I think it's all It's
(10:11):
a safety mechanism, you know, it really is. Once your
nervous system is wired in a certain way, it's very
difficult to change it. I use comedy to try to
do it personally. But yeah, I think he's trying to
kind of figure out between the X tier and IN tier.
Like you said, how to just have more peace in
(10:32):
his life. It's been sixty years of chaos. Like you know,
let the man have a good time for once.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Makes total sense. We'll circle back to Maren for sure.
I do want to talk about your resume. I love
having guests on here. I explain to my audience I
know more about comedy than most people if we go
down to the bar, there's a good chance I know
more about it put us on the bar. But the
other people who know more about comedy than me know
way more about comedy I do, and I'll put you
(11:01):
in that bucket because of the work that you've done.
I've read your pieces, I know some of your upcoming work.
I know this work. I just love to hear you
explain to the audience your comedy journey.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Oh yeah, thanks. I consider myself a professional comedy fan. Really,
I did not know what stand up comedy was until
my senior year of college because I grew up on
a farm in Missouri without cable and not much to
do other than read. So I had all the books,
all the magazines. I was very into film and music,
(11:37):
and I thought I was going to write about that
one day. So at the University of Missouri, I studied
journalism and senior year, David tel Caaman did a show
and I got to interview him beforehand, and then we
hung out backstage and we went across the street to
the journalism bar and he got everyone drunk on Ye
you're misto and so is the height of insomniac, which
(11:59):
was the most amazing experience for a college senior about
to unleash themselves on the world of journalism. And I
immediately moved to New York and started hanging out the
Comedy Seller and bugging David tell more More all the time,
still to both day, But yeah, I just fell in
love with it because at that time, it felt like
(12:21):
no one was writing about comedy as seriously as we
see today. This was a time when comedy coverage was
more shoved than like with the calendar listings or the
music events, and it wasn't being perceived as individual artists
with their own perspectives and their own means to say.
(12:41):
It was just kind of a generic comedy. It's something
you can watch on the weekends, and I really wanted
to change that. Yeah, it's been twenty two years of
writing about comedy. I've recently decided to call myself less
of a journalist and more of a opera and documentarian,
(13:01):
but that's a natural progression anyway. But yeah, I've covered
all the festivals. I've been freelanced for most of the time,
so have written for basically any title you can think of,
and I just can't get enough. I love the live
comedy experience sitting in the bat row of a room
and watching all these different people from different backgrounds and
(13:24):
who knows why they're there tonight, but they've all gathered
in this one space now, laughing at the same thing
at the same time in a way that's completely unable
to be recreated again. And I just leave there feeling
a little bit more optimism for the world. We can
all agree in this thing. Maybe we'd agree on more
that doesn't know its work out well. But that's my
(13:45):
favorite part about comedy, of being able to kind of
lose yourself in it and feel that sense of connection.
And I will talk about comedy all day long. If
someone lets.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
We're coming up with Julie Sebah. The documentary is called
Are We Good? It's all about Mark Marin. Now. Behind
the scenes, we had a little bit of audio problems.
It was almost as if we were in space, like
if you watch a space movie, say Apollo thirteen, and
there's that slight delay, and you may have noticed that
we were sort of speaking in paragraphs. That I didn't
(14:16):
do what I normally do and jump in mid sentence
because I'm enthusiastic. So I don't want you to think
that I wasn't interested in the answers. We knew about
the glitches, and I told Julie, I'm just going to
hang back and let you speak in complete sentences so
I don't step on you. So I didn't mention that
at the open because I didn't want to poison your
brain about it. But if for some reason you listen
to that last segment you're like just not saying anything.
(14:38):
That's why John isn't saying anything more with Julie Sebaugh
after this. Now you dropped a note there. I want
to circle back to can you tell me about the
roast of Julie? Who roasted you? That must have been amazing.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
My fortieth birthday roaster was held in the belly room
of the Comedy Store about two and a half weeks
before Penn. It was sold out, full room. I mean
the belly rooms very small, but yeah, there's a lot
of industry and comics there. And at the end it
was Jeff Ross and Davittel and I said some jokes
(15:13):
about let's see the Joka talked about Jeff Ross was, uh,
we're hey, we're in the belly room home of Jeff
Ross presents Rose Battle and Jeff Ross presents the historical roast.
When's Jeff Ross going to present his own material? Again?
That's why I'm not a comic. But do you tell
(15:33):
every time I have sex dreams about David Tell, I
wake up covered and hummus, those are the ones I remember.
But it's also like Mike Lawrence, Brad Williams. There was
some roast battlers, Jay Light, Nicole Bacannon. Yeah, that was
probably the highlight of my comedy career as far as
(15:55):
I'm being roasted for my fortieth and it's all downhill. Yeah,
it was a great night. I was too nervous to
really enjoy it, but looking back, that was really really special.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I love to tell. If I had to bet on
one comedian do fifteen minutes and just crushing the room.
You can't touch your normal material, just wing fifteen minutes,
I would pick David Tel.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah. Just the idea of seeing this guy who we
all think is so brillant, and we all watched his
last special probably four or five times each.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I know it.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
I know it's true, and he doesn't think he's that
good either. I even reproached him about different projects in
the past, and he's like ah, nobody cares like No,
people care You're You're very influential and insomniac, got a
lot of people into comedy myself. Yeah, so I would
(16:44):
love to do something on him at some point, but
you gotta again get past that exterior. I'm gonna keep
working on it.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well, let's zero in on the documentary. Who's part of it?
How did it come together? And how do you get
Mark Merin even agreed to this thing.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Yeah, after Lynn died and I started realizing that something
needs to be made, it was either going to be
a film or you know, just a regular journalism piece
something like that. The first time when Fine Arts and
I approached him was via email to have a zoom pitch,
which he was completely noncommittal to in late twenty twenty.
(17:18):
We had another one in early spring, and then when
the venues started reopening after COVID in May of twenty
twenty one, and he went up at the Comedy Store finally,
after a week it had been open, and he'd been
saying he's quitting moving Canada all that stuff, And when
I thought he was going to be there, I told
(17:39):
Fine Arts to bring a camera and show up at
the Comedy store and we went in and basically told
him he we're doing this now, and you know, he
realizes when things can be of value to him and
it did take a while to kind of break down
the external shell. But it really is the most raw
(18:02):
you've ever seen him in a lot of ways. Again,
there's laughing, that's crying, there's again the cats are a
big part of it as well. But yeah, when you
start to get people like John Mulaney, some great stories
from Caroline Ray, David Cross, Sam Lipsy, his best friend,
his producer Brendan McDonald, to really kind of fill in
(18:26):
these places in his story over his life or he
might have one view of it, but people have a
different view of it. And actually when he watched it
for the first time, the first cut he saw was
the last week of February before South By Southwest, and
I remember getting an email from him and he said
(18:46):
he actually learned a lot about himself from watching it.
So I think it was just trusting that process of
you know who, those people can tell this story in
the right way and they're not going to screw over
And yeah, it was just kind of which is Yeah,
it was. It was a five year labor of love
that I think we're all really proud.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Of in the end, is this therapy for him or
is this like a low key victory lap or he
wouldn't admit to that, or both or neither, Yeah, all
the above. Maybe.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, He's definitely still doing therapy here here and there.
He might think it's not enough, but and still you
know his meetings, you know the recovery meetings, those are
still in full effect. I do think that the timing
of him wanting to quit the podcast now is very
(19:40):
interesting because he does view it as a statement piece
about Mark Marin and kind of wrapping up this circle
of this time in his life. Yeah. I think it's
going to be a matter of really being honest with
himself and really opening the door to new possibilities. I
think he's trying. It's hard. It's hard for all of us,
(20:04):
and he's just the one we're watching do it and
try to hit some inspiration in the meantime.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
It's so interesting about Pete Mehren. His last special clearly
is best. He's even said that, And I teach you
a few college classes. They teach you about the Obama
episode as the best podcast episode ever done. No qualifier.
The reason I say that, if you listen to it.
At first, the President of the United States shows up,
and then at some point mister Obama drops that he's
just baracking a garage having a conversation with Mark, and
(20:30):
towards the end the President of the United States comes back.
But for the middle there there's two guys in a
garage and it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, that's the whole goal of WTF is. He wanted
real people to drop the facade and have a conversation
with him person to persian, and the formula has worked
extremely well. My favorite episode is Todd Glass personally because
when we went on and chose that as a platform
(20:56):
to come out of the closet and kind of tell
his story, it was Maren that he trusted and it
was so again, so beautiful. Just the trust he put
in Maren and the idea that this was the platform
where comics felt safe and understood, I thought was hugely just.
(21:20):
I listened to that all the time, still in a
lot of ways for different and also I know todded
last too, but there's just a different way of interacting
when you can shut out all those distractions and you're
in the sound proper and it's just you another person
where you can really I'm going to use the word
(21:42):
unmask which has to do with neurodivergens. But there's yeah,
something uniek he created in that he wanted to be
liked and we wanted to like him, and this was
kind of our from Avatar for doing so. So yeah,
I think there's this I would I want to hear
more about your class, but I think there's endlessly examples
(22:03):
and I want to take it. I want to take
your book. Yeah, they're just endless examples of moments from
the podcast that you know, you really see humanity, you
know in a way that a lot of these comedians
and actors and everyone else he has on. It's not
just typical promotion. And again it says in the movie
like you're coming into Maren's world, you have to talk
(22:26):
to him. You have to be yourself. That's the reason
why WTF has worked all this time.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
So when you flip that and Mark's on the other
side of the camera, how do you make sure you're
capturing real Mark Maren and not know I'm on camera
right now, I better turn it on or show this
side of my personality. How do you get the real guy?
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I feel like the real Mark Maren is never far
from the service. It's oways bursting to come out. And
it really was just a matter of waiting for those moments,
and we had a lot of footage, We went to
a lot of cities and again five year labor of love,
and it was just a matter of really going in
(23:02):
and focusing on what are the actual merit moments, you know,
what is uniquely and what is he's saying that no
one else is going to say, and also being really
truthful about it and not making it a promotional or
a pup piece or anything like that. And again he
didn't see it until the end, so I can say
(23:25):
all of that. And yet also in certain ways he
didn't have a choice. What's what He decided this is
going to be a real thing with real emotions, and
we were all just kind of along for the ride
with it together with him.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
How does it work creatively? Does he have sign off
at all if he doesn't like the final version of it?
So there's the legal aspect of the question, there's the
spiritual aspect of that question. And he clearly didn't set
up to do a hit piece on Mark Marron. But
along the way if we found out, I don't know,
he throws eggs at children on Halloween, and he was like,
don't put that in. That makes me look jerky. What's
signe off there? What's the verbal agreement, the spiritual agreement?
(24:02):
And how do you approach that as a creator?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
The only thing was if he could say if something
made him uncomfortable, and there was none of it at all.
There was a few jokes that some of the interviewees
made at his expense that got removed that didn't really
add anything to the story, but that was really it.
He saw it about ninety nine percent as audience. We'll
(24:30):
start seeing it next week on Friday. Yeah, he was
very trusting, probably more so than he should have been.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
That's a very interesting answer. Let's expand on that. More
than he should have been? What do you mean there?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
It really was just about having these previous relationships. I
don't think anybody else could have pulled this off. I've
known him for fifteen years. I think Fine Arts was
maybe a little bit less, and that was kind of
all the people he had to deal with. Nobody else,
So it was just really having this circle of knowing
(25:05):
we're gonna all do the right thing here and make it,
like I said, not a hit piece, not a puff piece,
but honest, you know, I'm someone who's done journalism twenty
two years and that's what I want. I want a
journalistic story where you're showing, not telling. Everything speaks for itself.
You don't need to color it with opinions. Yeah, I
(25:28):
cannot say how proud I am of finally getting this done.
And I think it's very emotional and you're actually kind
of getting me like thinking like, yeah, we really did
do a good job here. When you're caught up in
it for five years, it's hard to see that. But yeah,
I'm not sure other than like, Maren's an amazing subject
(25:52):
and when he allows you to do what you do best,
then everyone wins.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
You're really speaking about trust and the entertainment industries. We
both know there are a few people that aren't so awesome.
There are a few people are awesome. There's someone aren't awesome.
And I think that knowing you're working with somebody who's
not going to hand in a hit piece or a
jerk face piece, I think that really goes a long way.
So I'll plaud you for that for having that with
Mark Marin, who I imagine is guarded.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
You are correct, Yes, it really has this been you
know again, she's known us for so long. That being said, Uh,
here's a tip for everyone, especially the ladies. Get it
all on writing record all of your meetings. Don't allow
yourself to be in a position of taking advantage of Uh.
(26:42):
That's yeah, that's just a tip for everyone. Protect yourselves,
but also don't lose that humanity and trust. At the
same time, just backing up with some paperwar.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
We're coming up with Julie Seabaws we talk about the documentary.
Are we good? All about Mark Maron? Because I'm an
honest person, I just want to let you know in
that last I did revoice my questions to clear up
some audio glitches, but you didn't notice. Did you know
you didn't? You are also working on a Mitch Hedberg documentary.
(27:12):
Now I'm obsessed with Mitch Edburg. When I heard this
thing was happening, I couldn't wait for it. As I
prepped for a conversation today, I saw that you had
mentioned in a different interview that Mitch Hepburg was a
good interview himself.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I did interview him for a couple different times, but
the main one was for Las Vegas Weekly about six
months before it passed away. This was for the Stephen
Lynch Comedy Central Live tour that they did, and he
was just so expansive and personal and was talking about
(27:47):
loving Lynn, his wife, and the relationship he wanted to
have with his parents, and how he just wanted to
be a free spirit, and these are all things we
loved about Mitch. Anyway, he was another like you can
just tell he's good birth and yeah, his story is
endlessly fascinating to me. He was always my number one.
(28:07):
We have the same birthday. I actually knew his mother
fairly well before she passed away in twenty twelve. But yeah,
we all know the Mitch Hedberg story is one that
is so evergreen. His material can be listened to forever.
It's not about you know, political jokes or sex jokes
(28:29):
or even I think he maybe had one or two
curse words in his material ever, but just the most
pure mind of you know, these kind of well thought
out one liners that put a whole new perspective on
the world. And like you see things through Mitch's lens
(28:49):
when you hear it its material. It's completely unlike anyone else,
although he definitely has a lot of imitators these days.
For sure, I could name a lot of them, but
I will. No one has ever really known the full
Mitch Hedward story because in a lot of ways, it
ended in two thousand and five when he died, when
the Internet was just coming into its own and social media,
(29:12):
whereas you know, kind of the treasure trovee of all
his material. These days, you can watch endless quips and
there's so much about his life that is completely uncovered.
People kind of know that he gives some comedy in Seattle,
but that's about it. But there's a whole entire life
before he was really well known in about ninety eight
(29:35):
that we cover all the entire thing from first hand sources.
That again, Jeff Siegel, the director, has been very adamant
about tracking down everyone. It's over one hundred plus people
and it's gonna be eventually. We've wanted to kind of
keep it small circle and do it the right way
(29:57):
because a lot of people, myself included, have tried to
do different Mitch projects in the past, and there are
reasons that they get shut down, and we kind of
went around some of these reasons for this, and that's
why it's actually going to finally happen. And I cannot
say enough how much this will be a career highlight,
(30:20):
and I know full well, but everything else is dath
ill prem here.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I hope it creates another Mitch renaissance. We had one
when the Internet really took off. But he has so
many signature bits, like if I run into a can
of mister Pibb at the supermarket, I will take a
photo of it and send it to somebody. If I'm
at Hershey Park and they're selling frozen bananas, my daughter
gets a ten minute routine about how I don't want
a frozen banana now, but I might want a regular
banana later. If I'm at a subway, she gets a
(30:46):
duck's bits. It's all just in my brain, So it'd
be great to see another wave of it. I just
feel like edburg Mania has cooled off over time. It
will happen to anybody who's not putting out active material,
But you know, I really look forward to this.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
All of us on this team, there's four core members
that we all knew Mitch personally, and it loved him
adored him, and the idea that he does continue having
this legacy is sort of part of the you know,
the pitching per se. His album Mitch Altogether only went
(31:22):
gold a couple of years ago, and we actually have
footage of Jack Vaughn from Comedy Central Records presenting Mitch's father,
Arnie with the gold record that would have been Mitch's.
So that's kind of a team we have in the documentary.
Not not to give it all away, but he does
continue selling. It's true, and especially you know on the
(31:45):
digital stations the Comedy Central Records on serious Sex and
then plays his step all the time. Yeah, he's kind
of perfect for those clips of chopping them up with
small amounts the bite size of Mitch hedbird jokes. Yeah,
and even our team kind of what you're saying, we
still responded his stuff all the time. I said a
(32:06):
picture broke an escalator to the team the other day
because we just want to talk about him all the time,
or like this is hey, I lived by the Coach
and Horses Bar where he used to go with Doug
Stanhope and they once met Quentin Tarantino, and that'll be
a story. We're constantly geeking out about Mitch through this
(32:28):
whole process. It's the best project, and again, it will
never be as good as this one.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I also know Jack Vaughan. He has the job now
that I used to have, and I knew him when
he was running Comedy Central Records, and we did the
Comedy Central Radio deal together. So at some point I
wanted to do a Headbird tribute on serious comedy. This
was pre merger. But I'm not a ghoul, so I'm
not going to call in Shawcroft and be like, hey,
your husband died yesterday. Can we do something? You know,
I waited maybe nine months a year. She said nobody
(32:56):
had really reached down to her. So she comes in
and we do the tribute and stand Hope's part of it.
And I wound up in the back studio with her,
a really small studio and smaller than the room that
I'm in now, and she had Mitch's cassettes and she
hadn't listened to them. I'm telling you this is a
true story. I was sitting there with a woman and
she hadn't heard them. I saw her emotionally react to them,
and she's playing some late in life sets Mitch had
(33:20):
done and I said to her, you've got an album here,
and I don't make albums. I don't want anything out
of this. I just want to hear the materials A
fan and connected her with Jack and that's where that
posthumous album came from. And it was just I'm so
glad that that material got out there.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Mitch was already under contract for an album where he died,
and as far as I know, Wynn had to produce one.
But yeah, I guess it was. Yeah, it wasn't going
to be clear where that material was going to come from.
And I remember that tribute you did too. I was
listening to it crying the whole time too.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
It was amazing. I never got meet him. The other
touchdown in my career there was because I remember the
day clearly. We were doing Jim Brewers Afternoon Show and
we were at the car show in New York City
and Jim was crossy because the night before Jim had
to cover for Mitch Heedbergh who didn't show up for reasons.
(34:19):
We didn't know what happened, and we heard in the
middle of the show. We all we're at the car
show and Jim's performing two hundreds of people live and
we heard this. We were all just devastated, and you know,
Brewer did the radio show and then we all felt
like jack holes for the way we were, you know,
five minutes ago. It was like, ah, I can't believe
that guy didn't show up, and they're like, oh my god.
It was just I can still feel it coming back
(34:41):
as I tell you the story.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Yeah, I remember the feeling of it hitting me when
I heard too. I was returning from a comedy show
late at night. I was living in New York at
that time and had just seen him at Carolines just
before with all the when all the rock stars were there.
Mike Brobiglia opened partially that weekend, and someone wrote me
(35:04):
a message that said, by now you've heard that Mitch
Hedberg gets passed away, and I have not until that message.
And the message went on to say something to the
effect of he liked his fans and he knew you
were one of them, and that's what's important. But yeah,
I had a terrible month, that entire month when he died.
(35:27):
A lot of people I think did I don't know
if you were at the Carolines memorial, but I've blocked
a lot of that out because it was so emotionally devastating.
I was sitting next to this publicist, Michael O'Brien on
this side of me, and I had a program on
this side of me, and I couldn't look up at anyone.
I just kept looking down at this program of tears
(35:47):
streaming down life face the entire time. But I do
the few things I do remember is davidtel being on
stage cry and that was horrifictasy. The same with Mike Robiglia.
But then also towards the ending, they let in just
a bunch of fans who had kind of clambered around outside,
(36:08):
and they were telling the stories that we heard about
the time he bought the college students an air conditioner,
or someone needed a radiator for his car and Mitch
bought them a radiator for the Those stories came out
as well. And that was also the first time Jana Johnson,
his longtime girlfriend of nine years prior to Lynn and
(36:31):
the woman who's very essentially responsible for his career, and
she was managing him and got them every opportunity that
she could. She had an elegy that eulogy that she
had written that was the first biographical account of Mitch
before we all started really knowing him around ninety eight
(36:51):
or so, and I do remember feeling like, oh, someone
needs to get projects on him going immediately, because no,
no one knows any of this story. But that was
twenty years ago at this point. So yeah, the amount
of emotion I tied into Mitch just because I did
(37:14):
feel like I connected with so much, and the birthday
thing and these are all very superficial. But I think
you know what I mean and understand that people just
love the Mitch for who he was in so many ways.
We don't feel that personal connection really with He loved
the person behind the jokes a lot. But yeah, Mitch's evergreen, eternal,
(37:40):
his stuff works all around the world, who his will
just a really unique, magical guy. And I will continue
talking about him until you cut me off.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
I'm always wanted to think about what if to know
at that stage in his career, he was starting to
have to speed up the act because people in the
audience were stepping on the punchlines and he was working
a little more quickly. It would have been interesting to
see the evolution of ten years later, twenty years later,
as he's still working at that deliberate pace no, Stephen
Wright still does or would there have been an evolution.
(38:13):
We'll never know, And it's just one of those things
that I think about when his name comes up.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Certainly some of the timing of material was affected by
drugs at that point. That's something Jack Rown has also
talked about when he recorded the second album. And it's
pretty obvious, you know, to some people, maybe not if
you were a college student at that point, just thinking
he's a funny character. I'm describing myself in Clasi's not
(38:39):
clear the drug thing hit a lot of people by
surprise if you weren't kind of you know, inner circle
in industry at that time. But yeah, just the idea that, like,
I mean, so many people in the documentary say he
would be doing arenas, he would have so many Netflix vetals,
(39:01):
But other people say he wouldn't like social media at all,
and he probably would have left comedy. So we don't know,
but I think any of those paths make a lot
of sense for the artists that we knew.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I could see that you seem to know Jack Vaughn
pretty well. I used to accuse him of being a
secret agent. First of all, his name is Jack Vaughan,
He's a nice looking guy. If he ever told you
a story about what he would do on vacation, it
was always some exotic locale with like a great story
to it, And I'm like, you're clearly on my sex.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Jack Vonn, I've known since two about two weeks after
I first moved to New York after I graduated college,
when I went to the Virgin Records megastore in Times
Square for David Tell's release of Skanks for the Memories,
and I have a photo that Jack Vaughn took of
me and David's hell, and he's been very nice to
(39:53):
me ever since. I agree that Jack Vaughn is one
of the nicest people in comedy. But he also spent
his you know, his FA was with Peace Corps, right,
and he's traveled the world his entire life. So yeah,
he's a very experienced traveler in lots of ways, physically, mentally.
I trust him more than anyone else in comedy. Jack,
(40:15):
don't listen to.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
This, all right, So you came out here to promote
a Marin documentary and I get a headberg Land, and
then we did ten minutes on Jackonville. So let me
ask you about Mark Maron, What was the unexpected thing
that you found out that when you went into this
Oh yeah, Oh.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
That's a good one. I think it really was that
idea that he didn't see himself as that successful kind
of shocking, really, and he never really liked the fact
that he became better known for his podcasts than his
comedy and just really kind of trying to understand what
that must be like in his mind. I think was
(40:52):
probably the most shopping partly. You're clearly, clearly one of
the best it's ever existed. But again, maybe that's something
all of us can learn. You know, we're all doing
a little bit better than we think we are.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Maybe one of the all time grades if we made
a list of stand up comedians, he's going to make
it sure. You're one of the all time. You're the
old Ghini podcaster, so there. But again, from stand up
comedy standpoint, at sixty years old, you just put out
your best work, dude. We respect. Everybody loves that special.
I said every year, I do, like everyone else, the
top specials of the year. That's going to be number one.
(41:27):
I can't imagine what's going to knock that out of
number one.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Oh, I agree, for sure. For sure, he just keeps
getting better, and yet yeah, he wants to quit. So
these are why we keep the reasons why we just
keep watching these people like it's endlessly fascinating to follow
these comedy journeys and I can't get en up with it.
I just think Mark Maron was the best at this
(41:52):
at this specific period of time to follow. I don't
think there's going to be unless we have, you know,
other pandemics, or well, we will certainly have other upheavals.
But it was something about the context of being in
that time and watching how he dealt with everything that
not only we were all going through, but his own
(42:12):
loss and grief at the same time. That just meant,
you know, if he can keep going after this, we
can too. And that's just comedy in a nutshell.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
So is the thesis here not to be modeling that
the tragic event just pushed him to the next level
or helped him focus. It seems to clearly be a
focal point and his strongest work has come after that.
So is that a moment?
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I would say that it was something thrust upon him
and he, yeah, dealt with it as he could, and
we just wanted to make sure we were there to
capture it. Obviously, it's the most dramatic thing that's ever
happened to him, but you know, by far we can
see that very clearly what he manages to keep going
(43:04):
and like you said, create the best material he's ever done.
And how does comedy actually allow us to do that,
especially through his eyes? Yeah, I'm not sure I'm actually
answering the question, but there was just something about that
moment in that time and watching him go through all
(43:25):
this and kind of start to come out the other
side through humor that I think is again universal timeless,
can't get enough of it. I will watch comedians create
material on the challenging times forever. Yeah, and he's just
kind of the best. So that's why it made you know,
(43:48):
it was very difficult, but I'm glad we did it
for sure. For sure.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Do you imagine fans will come away laughing or we'll
be crying? Will we get into understanding of Mark Bhern
all of that?
Speaker 1 (43:59):
All the above? For sure? Again, like I said, this
is watching him make new material in the wake of
this tragedy. So you see him experimenting the process, putting
it together for better and for worse, and there's definitely
a lot of crime as well. For sure. I have
(44:21):
not gotten out of a screening yet without people crying.
So yeah, the full emotional spectrum. And it even works
if you're not a fan of Mark Marin, because again
we're you know, be latering the point by now. But
this is something that happens to everyone. Here's how this
guy dealt with it.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
And that's all I have for you. See, here's what happened.
When we were recording. The upload stalled at ninety six percent,
so I don't have the rest of the conversation, which
kind of sucks. But I asked her about it being
in theaters, and you know, can I just hide out
in the basement of crying. She's like, nope, it's in theaters.
She did suggest that possible, perhaps maybe there might be
another way to see this down the road, but this
(45:03):
week it's in theaters and it sounds fantastic. So at
the end, you know, like we do, I go, hey,
thanks for coming on. She said nice things to me.
I said nice things back, but I don't have any
of that, so just imagine how that went. I want
something like this, Hey, Julie, appreciate your time, really looking
forward to this. Thanks for coming on today, and then
she said something nice in my general direction, and then
we said bye, and then there was some after stuff
(45:23):
after the recording about you know, hey, I hope you'll
come back with a Mitch thing and we said all that,
but you know, you wouldn't have heard that anyway, because
I wouldn't have included that in the podcast. So you're
actually getting more content that you would have. I'm punchy today.
All right, that is your bonus episode back in the
morning with a normal episode comedy. People. Can we keep
this thing calm. This has just been out of control lately.
Let's keep it simple. So Johnny Mack and watch football
(45:45):
all day, watch the Jets lose, and then we'll come
back in the morning with a normal episode of daily Comedys.
Appreciate you.
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