August 12, 2024 • 44 mins
Tom Kalb and Kelsey Deckert talk about what's going on in the plant growing community in ND.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Welcome to Dakota Growing.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm Kelsey Decker, your horticulture agent here in Burley County.
Joined in the radio Access studio by my co host
Tom Cobb. Andy s you extension horticulture list.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
How are we doing.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Everything's good.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We're in August, that's right, that's right here we are
countdown to school, back to school coming.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And luckily the weather's cool and off global warming for a.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Couple of weeks since July, which is normal.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I got a couple of weeks, so I always thought
like August was a very hot time. I always talked
even my childhood, like like football too days, you know,
August it was really like brutal weather. But for whatever reason,
this year we got a nice cool start going on.
But no frost. No frost. We're not ready for that.
(01:15):
We don't want frost yet, no, not at all. Got
over a month still for that, still.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Getting ample rain. The rain shower has been coming. We
get any hail at your place, just a.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Little bit, okay, just a little bit, just just a
little a few piece sized hail. Nothing, just a little
bit of excitement, but not nothing destructive.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, so not last week and but the weekend before
my sister got like golf ball sized hail at her place,
so kind of interesting, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Really yeah, really a golf ball, no big for real.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, they had them in their hands and everything, so
it would hurt. Yeah, luckily not too bad of down Madge,
But it's interesting when they don't live terribly far to
our place. And I was like, well, thank god it
didn't come this way, you know. So been a little
bit of wickedness with the hail. No tornadoes around this area,
(02:14):
which is good.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
That's right, No hurricanes, no typhoons. So you know, every
every place in the world has a few problems, but
that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I think last week with the warm temperatures, it's just
a good reminder why we live in North Dakota, Like,
why why I wouldn't take.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
That hotiness all the time? That high temperatures? Man, not
my cup of tea.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
But yes, of course we say that. But were eight
thousand fools like us and you know three hundred some
million other Americans who's true? Who laugh at us? Oh?
(03:05):
I don't know. I'm not here for the weather.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
First, you want to hear what's going on?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, why not? Okay, Well about gardening.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Landscape, just what's going on in the landscape. I kind
of narrowed it down to the top, like three prevalent.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Questions.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I've gett topics today? Sure, any breaking.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
News, No, nothing new, nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
New, just gotta talk about it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Okay, Well, give me a refresher course, I like care.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Well.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I started off with a nice sunflower photo for you,
since you love sunflowers.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I just went and took this this morning. I was like,
look at how I got the sun up at the
community gardens.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
You took that picture I did.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's a calendar worthy.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Good it's out standing.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Okay, I figured you'd probably know, like what type those are?
Those are only like maybe four feet tall, pretty small.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
That's all. That's a classic ornamental type. You know. There's
lots of varieties that are like it could be like
gold rush. There's a lot of rieties like that. Beautiful. Yeah,
all those branches of flowers.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well, I had to start beautiful before we get into
the destructiveness. Right, Okay, we're gonna talk apheds, right, So symptoms.
People always calling in about the twisted, curled leaves, also
kind of the puckered looking leaves. I think the most
common thing we always hear is you know the shininess,
(04:40):
the stickiness the porches, right, so you always got that
stickiness on the porches. And then in some cases you
notice the soudy mold too, like in the photo that
I have on some pine trees there. So again, when
the apheds are basically pooping out there there, honeydeke can
turn into that sooty.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Mold, so kind of blackish gray.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Blackish kind of yuck on there. So again, what do
aphids look like? They're about one sixteenth one eighth inch
with that pear shaped body. Lots of different colors I
think most commonly you see kind of that translucent green
even like red, black, yellow, brown, gray. I see more
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of those probably on like our plants in the garden
than on the trees. And then the key characteristic as
I have circled here in that picture that you see
are those two pale two tailpipes that come out of
the abdomen. So good picture of like an immature aphid
and then a larger aphid.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
And also know that they can they can have wings
as well.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well. They're insects, that's right. Every insect has wings, right, yeah,
of course, and six legs.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
That's right. Three body parts.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You got it?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Okay, plenty of them.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So what do we do trees?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I'm gonna focus on trees here, but even in the
garden talk about it. You want to take the simple route,
Just get a high pressurized water, spray at them, knock
them off the trees, knock them off your plants. Tom
when you go, what do you always talk about the
Clint Eastwood approach?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
That's right?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Do you do that with aphids on trees? Do you
feel that way the same?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
You got to calm down, Calm down, that's exactly tree
like that. Trees got like a zillion leaves and the
leaves are pretty much stre and they're pretty much done
for the year. You could drop every that, you could
have a gianus enormous aphid swarm, calm to your tree,
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eat every leaf, and the tree would be fine at
this time of year. So, you know, for somewise healthy.
So when it comes to trees and aphids, just calm down,
and uh, you're under more stress than the tree is.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And also the thing is I talk about the curl leaves,
How the heck can you get the underside the aphids
are in the curl, right, so they're kind of shielding.
Oh yeah, if you if it feels good, you know,
blast away on your tree. But also how you gonna
get so like what if you got a fifty foot
tall tree, how are you gonna get them? So it
(07:30):
doesn't matter, it's just nature and the trees just kind
of it's just like being tickled a little bit that
trees just fine.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It's not under You have a lot of natural enemies.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So again, yeah, ladybugs, man, lady bugs ahead. They can
eat hundreds. I don't know how many of these guys
you that, like he like a few thousand per lady bug.
They just munch on these aphids. There's they're so soft
and delicious, you know, just like cotton can I.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Was gonna say, or like like going to the movie
theater right poc.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, they probably the aphid bodies probably does pop a
little bit when you punch. Oh yeah, kind of crunchy.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, so yeah, relax, that's what it comes in the garden.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
You know. That's the gardens different though, because like if
they're if they're covering your plant, covering your your pepper plant,
then you know you could lose that. I mean, if
they're really swarmed, it can cause damage. So then you
gotta take action and and uh jetsprey of water can help.
(08:38):
But maybe maybe you want to take a go after
them with the past a side is that? Is that
what you do?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I know, like you, I'm gonna relax. But in the garden,
remember I don't have a garden here, so I'm not
seeing them.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
But I haven't.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I actually haven't had a lot of questions in regards
to aphids in the gardens. This here just really the
trees is where I've been on.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
You know, this reminds me. I remember when I in
my younger days, I had like a hunger free garden,
but I drank. It was like five acre garden and
we and know, yeah, we had an eighth and infestation
and uh eating our greens. And had a big argument
(09:20):
with with some of my volunteers.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
As far as what to do and what do you decide?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Clint I said, I'm in charge. I took charge, and
I am like I'm a dictator. Sometimes I'm kind of cruel,
you know. And uh, I said, man, we're growing food
for the poor, not for aphians. So the hell, let's
get out that. Let's go get some insc aside and
blast these suckers and save our crop. So we did.
(09:49):
But I didn't like that. I don't like conflicts. You know.
It's like thirty years guy, I still remember that conflict.
But they were kind of easy going people. But that's
where my Clint Eastwood approach came out and saying, you
stay out of my territory, you sick legged. Credit gonna
get you.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You know, I think a lot of times when I'm
talking with clients about trees and stuff, again, they're they're
seeing them.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Over the porch. The porches are sticky, the cars, So.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
That's when I just talk about removing that honeydew and
using like a dish detergent or even you have to
get a little tough for a tar remover, but I
think dish detergent's gonna work real well on those.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah, if it's your car, just park somewhere else about.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
That, well, maybe you don't have a garage, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I mean just park on the street and just park,
or just park a little bit. Park. Don't park underneath
the tree, Yeah, park underneath something else.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It's true, try to.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Cope with if it's If it's they're amazing reproducing animals.
They can They're just like incredible. I think there's something
about that. And they can just be they can turn
themselves into a female. Oh wow, weird. They got unusual habits,
(11:08):
like they don't need partners.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
They're like mutants.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, they can like when they want to reproduce, they reproduce.
H kind of fun.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, okay, let's go to the next problem.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Huh, next concern.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And again we've talked about this in the past, but
still I am seeing lots of apple scab out there.
So again, you know, if you're seeing like yellowing falling leaves,
that's usually what people say, Like my apple trees got
a lot of yellow leaves.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
They're shedding.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
If you look at the leaves like this one that
I have in the picture, you start to see those round, velvety,
olive green spots. Again, they can get large, up to
about half an inch in size, but then those spots
are going to eventually become dark brown and even black
if you do have it on apple trees. You've talked
in the past about how the fruit can be affected
(12:00):
and it can even get like quirky. So kind of
the question is is like out as it spread, so
that fungus is gonna overwinter in the infected leaves. So
again here's the same tree. You can see those affected
leaves at the bottom. And then also the spores are
going to be carried by the wind in the rain.
(12:21):
You know, obviously looking at this picture, there was a
whole nother issue I had to approach with this homeowner.
What do you see there, Well, you're talking about the
landscape tab you bet.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Choking the tree a little bit there.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, you had to talk about removing that and getting
that out of there.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So what do we do about scap?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Just like you've mentioned, let's rake up those leaves, Let's
get them out of the area. And then during our
dormance season, let's go ahead and let's prune our canopy,
open it up for more airlight and sunflow, and again
kind of.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Alleviate that pressure for next year.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Another thing calmed down. You don't need to go get
fungicides out there. Think you need to do something to
get rid of those spots immediately.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Well, it's as the song goes, it's too late, baby,
It's just too late to try to make it. Yeah,
it's too late, baby, because there's no curative one inside
you gotta prevent with fun in sides. So it's too.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Late, you're in August.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
We gotta deal with you got the scab if it's scab.
Scab is not a fatal it's not a deadly disease.
I mean once it's like devastating for several years in
a row. But you know everything you says, so right,
You got to get the darn disease out from underneath
the tree. That's where it comes from. Here after year,
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crew in the tree get more airflow. And then if
you want to spray the tree when the leads are
just popping out, yeah, that's the key time because of
those those young don't have any wax protection on them.
And if we get a wet spring again next year,
we're gonna scab to be an issue. But I told
(14:10):
you to a story about like one time when I
was a county agent and a woman called me like
she's I think she's like in her forties or fifties,
and and she's telling me about wondering about what to
do about her trees. Leaves are dropping, her apple trees dropping.
And then you remember the story, and then and then
(14:32):
I said, don't worry. That tree is gonna be fine.
It's just got apple scab. It's gonna and she go,
what what, Yeah, tree is gonna come back next year,
no problem. And she just dropped the phone and ran
out to the backyard because her husband wasting reving up
the chain salery to cut down the tree. So so
that was a close call.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
But look at you saving saving the world.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
There you go. Yeah. So but but you like you
kind of got a theme here about how how trees
are so tolerant to environmental stresses and they've been through
this rodeo before and they'll go through it again.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
So yeah, no worries, Yeah, I think so, no worries.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So last week we talked actually on in like our
state wide call about fall web where any questions, any
calls coming in.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I haven't had any, and we're right on the cusp
of it. Yeah, And on choke cherry they seem to
have a thing for choke cherry trees.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
We're just gonna talk everything I got to talk about.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I'm going to say it.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I've had I've had one one picture so far of
a small web that came in.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
This photo.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
This is from a couple of years ago. This is
not a photo that I got this year or anything.
But just like you said, comment in those choke cherries, apples,
birch and even elm trees, what do we need to
do again, don't need to get out there and cut
out branches, cut down the trees, anything like that. Can
break up that nest, place that nest in like a
(16:09):
bucket of soapy water, or just break it up, break
it up with a jet stream of water. And then
if you need that immediate kill, that revenge, of course,
you can look at pesticides.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's I've done that before.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Makes you feel good.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Carbro on a webworm nest just like a nuclear bomb.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Manager instant gratification on those.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Thus suckers just dropped to the ground, shake and shiver
and that's the end of them. Yeah, don't mess around
with my tree. But I don't know what else you
want to say about it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I think I want to transition since we got a
bug theme going on and you're talking about beating dictator.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I'm a nice dictator. You know.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I was thinking there an.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Evlent king I was in that darden. But you know
the other thing with that web worm again, the theme
is it doesn't really matter, because those webworms are only
eating leaves. Okay, They're not going to eat your whole
darn tree wood and all. They're just gonna.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Eat, So who cares about the leaves?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
The leads are turning yellow soon and drop, and so
you don't have to do anything about web worm if
you don't want to. You can just just ignore it
if you want to, and just walk inside and watch
the vikings play football instead whatever you like doing. But
but but if you want to kill them, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Kill them.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You don't have to, Okay, Yeah, so now it's my turn. Okay, Well,
like you say, we're talking about bugs today because a
lot of bugs out there.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
There's a lot of bugs out there.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Bug wars and uh, but you know, in general, and
I'm gonna talk mostly about the garden, not so much
about trees myself here. And the garden's been good this
year because of the rain and the harvests have been wonderful.
We're getting wonderful crisp let us have a bounty of beans,
and the sweet corns coming in absolutely delicious. And broccoli said,
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good broccoli crop. And then also the cabbage looks good too.
But all this, all these vegetables look good to us. However,
it also looks good to our enemy, the bugs. And
one type of bugs active right now are flea beetles.
They're thinking of like black clouds come out of the
especially canola fields after the harvest, and just swarm they
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love Like this is on a Brussels sprout.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Those aren't holes, huh.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
As there was a black bug. There's a thousand on
one plant. And now now that's brussels sprout. So who cares?
They can have that? You know, what do you think
about Brussels sprout?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Certain ways they're cooked. I'll eat them, you know, add
in the bacon.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I'll put it bacon.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Put the bacon and some bacon grease. Then they wrap
them and bacon. Then you can eat them.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
But here's the coast upon the flea beetles, the shiny
black beetles, and they make all these shotholes all over
the place. Another bug that's starting to get active. Now,
are you see white butterflies are actually they're moss of
the imported cabbage worm. They're they're like white moss with
a black spot on the wing. And I often see
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them like dancing on top of my broccoli and cabbage.
And when they're not really dancing, they're they're laying eggs.
They're getting busy on my plant. And when I when
I see the dancing happening, then I don't wait until it. Yeah,
I don't wait till it's too late. Baby, it's not
too late. I take action, and here here it is.
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And everythink that's interesting about a lot of these moss
is the men like to get together at the local
mud hole before the breeding season starts. They went to
What they're doing is they're swapping stories and also they're
they're trying to collect some minerals and out of the clay,
out of the soil there, and then they get some
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salts and they have more reproductive success that way.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
So what's your weapon of choice?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Well, it's common, Okay, there's a lot of a lot
of options.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
A lot of options.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I'm not here to tell you what to do. I'm
not a king, I'm not a dictator. I'm here to
give you options.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I'm here to educate and give you options. Kelsey. So
this one, this this male had a successful breeding expedition
and he had a louted children. Here's a big imported
cabbage where there's a teenager. Yeah, right, camouflage, but they
lose their camouflage because they eat all the holes around,
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so there's not much camouflage here. And this picture of
a holy cabbage. So, as I've said before, what do
you do? Some people get sad when their cabbage crop
is full of holes, but I don't get sad.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You get mad.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I get mad. I want to get even. So if
you like the half. There's different ways to approach your enemy.
There is do you want to like kill them, like
immediately guillotine type like rip you're dead. Then there's some
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synthetic pyreth riids. They're synthetic chemicals. He's probably the most
popular ones seven Garden Tech seven, which is a zeta cypermethrin.
It's at every garden center. And Bonite thought they'd be
kind of cute, so they instead of seven, they call
theirs eight. So I guess that's better. But I don't know.
I don't know I ever got the name seven something.
(22:17):
They never didn't spell it right. I just how did
that ever happen? It must have been a probably a
translate into French or something. European scientist inventor. I don't
know what happened, but seven and eight they're very common.
But now also so these are the synthetic pyreeth roids.
They will kill very quickly and give you a great
(22:39):
sense of immediate revenge. And uh, but they're they're toxic.
They're toxic, and so you have to follow label carefully,
follow the recommended rates and there'll be a reentry interval.
You have to wait after you spray until your harvest,
so you know, use these. They're very effective, but they're
and they cover they kill a broad spectrum of insect past.
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But then that's the problem also because if kill there's
a lot of beneficial insects they kill. They'll kill ladybugs,
they'll kill bees, so you have to be careful with them,
following abel carefully. The tomatoes are getting our being harvested too,
and this is one of my favorite insects that are
attacking now.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
They are cool.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Look the tomato or tobacco hornworm with those scary eyeballs.
It's a big green caterpillar, a lot of scary eyeballs
going down the side and a horn that on its
We're in the scare away the enemies like.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
They'm built in with a sword already that's right.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
That's very vicious but also very hungry. So this this
is what I call the garden glutton. Even in scientific
named manduca, manduca means glutton. And that's because this particular
insect eats four times its weight every day. Eight four times.
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That means like, okay, over two hundred pounds. That means
I have to eat eight hundred pounds of food every day.
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That's like they're just trying to become obese.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Song they want to. They increase in size one thousand
times in three weeks. It's a cat turns into an
elephant in three weeks.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
They are very large.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
They are they like when you see pictures or people
whoor like got them on their plants. It's crazy to
see the size. Like I also think I think it's
a sphinx moth that a caterpillar, Like, yeah, it's in
the caterpillar.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
It's just huge.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Turn into a moth, a sphinx moth that a lot
of people confuse with humming birds. Yeah, it looks just
like a hummingbird so big. Yeah, that's they're fascinating, uh,
fascinating critters. And uh, now you heard about seven or
eight now My favorite insect aside for hornworms, is thirteen.
(25:00):
Oh have you ever heard of thirteen?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I haven't.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
That's my special that's the size of my shoe. So
what I dow is I pick them off the plant
and I step on them with my size thirteen shoe. Squish, squish,
very effective.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
So Friday the thirteenth, that's right, So.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Don't forget about thirteen. Yeah, I mean there's so they're
not that many of them. Usually usually just see one
or two in a plant, and uh, maybe they're cannibalistic
A lot of times. A lot of these kind of
critters they eat their brothers and sisters, and so there's
usually only a few of them around on the plant.
But I don't know for sure if a horn worms cannibalistic.
But when I see it, I only see First of all,
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I never see it because it's camoufaged as well. I
only see it when I see the damage. I go,
what the heck, I'm losing about a fourth of my
plant overnight? What happened? And then you see that critter there,
and so I just pick it off and throw it
on the ground and squish it with my foot. That's
the kind of that guy that's easy. So that's my
foot is one natural insecticide, and there's other options of
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natural insecticides too, and we can talk about them now.
Going to pyreethrens and there's a bacterium called bus sell
Us thuringensis. We call it bt bt and spin all
sad and then as a direct in which is the name,
and then insecticide soap. So each one of these natural insecticides,
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like my foot, has special benefits and their shortcomings. You
mentioned pyrethrin actually going after aphids. Yeah, pyrethrine comes from chrysanthemums,
and a good thing about a pyrethrin if you like it,
it kills immediately. It paralyzes the past emmiately. It's like
a nerve agent, so they shake, shiver and get paralyzed immediately.
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Pyrethrians control many different kinds of pats and they break
down rapidly, so they're really only good for one or
two days, that's it. So, and they break down rapidly
in sunlight, and so it's kind of a good idea
to spray in the early evening hour so you have
a longer time for it to be active. And then
(27:15):
it only worked for about a day or two. That's it.
The chemical breaks down rapidly now, so don't get it
doesn't give you much much uh duration of protection. But
since it breaks down rapidly, it's uh you know, you
don't it doesn't even you can harvest rapidly. So there's
pluses of minus far tyreethern is fairly all these natural
(27:37):
insecticides like my foot, they're they're they're very low and
toxicity to you, so you don't have to worry about, uh,
compared to like that seven and eight, which are much
more toxic to humans. We talked about bacillistern gensis. That's
a soil bacterium that's been it's been around for a
long time, and the common trade names as I listened
(27:59):
in bottoms diepell and thoroicide. Uh BT has to be
eaten by the past. And the nice thing about that
once it eats it's it acts slowly, so it won't
kill right away, it won't paralyze. It gets us tummy itch.
It takes like a two day old gut rot. So
(28:20):
you know, like some people like you know, like we
talk about Clint Eastwoods today, like like to see that
immediate death. But you know, maybe you like to torture
your enemy for a couple of.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Days, Yes, I wash them struggle, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Two days, let them suffered, don't. Yeah, I'm not gonna
let you get away so easily. I'm gonna have you
like suffer for a couple of days and then die.
And the thing with BT. There's different types of strains
of BT out there. The most common one is highly
specific for caterpillars, so that means it won't kill bees.
For example, it won't kill it won't kill mites. You know,
(28:58):
it only killed caterpillars. We gotta read the There's different
types of bats. Some will go after beetles, some won't,
But the most common tapes only kill caterpillars, so that
means it's it won't it won't harm beneficial insects. It
won't harm ladybugs for example. Okay, so that's a good option.
Then I think the one that's really got a lot
of momentum no is spino is sad. This is a
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natural soil bacteria that they discovered in a distillery in
the Caribbean. They found that in the soil of a
rum distillery, and Spinoll said causes spasms. Now this like
you spray the or the bug gets exposed to it,
it will have spasms for two days, shaken and shoving
(29:41):
for two days before it dies.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
That's suffering.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That's a good feeling and a nice thing about spin
All said. It controls many a wide range of insect
pass and mites too, And I think the most common
practice yet garden centers is Captain Jack's dead bug brew
from bowening. So Spinosa has a lot going for it,
they have to say. And then the the as the
(30:06):
directing which comes from the neem tree seats this, this
chemical has to be eaten by the past, and that
so it's safe to bees. Okay, because bees aren't interested
in eating your cabbage so or or anything that bees
are flying. They don't want to eat your your cucumber leaves,
you know, or whatever. They just want to I just
want to polinate. So neme is very safe for bees.
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And the way name works is that it's a feeding repellent.
So when when a past get exposed and theme, it
loses its appetite and then also its hormones go out
of whack and so it doesn't develop into an adult,
and so it just kind of slowly withers away as
a worthless teenager. Pretty much so does it reproduce her
(30:53):
So it controls name controls a lot of pasts and
come in different forms. The last one is insect is
I'll soap and said, you know, like they say, like,
you know, soap dries your skin, right? Yeah? Is that
a prop for you?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Tell just I kind of in general have probably dryer skin,
especially in the wintertime.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I'm back, it's so itchy.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
So yeah, well I don't don't recommend insecticidles.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, I probably could shower.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
With that insectid The soaps desiccate the past, it dries
them out, and so it works against the soft body
past like aphids you talked about in caterpillars. But soap
has no residual. That means you gotta physically spray the bug.
(31:42):
A bug that flies onto the pint an hour later
won't be affected because it wants it's soaps dry, so
you have to spray a lot of time. So in
a garden, I'm not really into insecticidle soap because it's
got no residual. I gotta have some, I gotta I can't.
I can't worry about kneeling every bug. I mean, like,
because there all were underside of leaves. We got to underside.
(32:03):
Bugs hang out in the underside of leaves usually, and
so this is something I'm sick by particular. It's so
safe though, you.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Know, it's so like house plants.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, I like house plants because then it's it's manageable,
just a plant or two to spray and so okay,
so that's my bug worth. I got a few other
things to throw.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
In here, all right, are they some hort shorts?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
These are some hort shorts for your kelsey and uh yeah,
we got the tomato uh bungle diseases going to starting
out and also powdery mill doing getting quite a few
questions about that. I like this photo here because it
really shows how the older leaves are affected. Yeah, they're
the ones that get the first infection and so uh
(32:47):
powdery mill dow. That's it's catching on not only on
like pumpkins and squashed, but we see this on lilacs
and oh at an instance with current bushes recently. So
it's getting active though, like amidity, it is what it's like.
So in general to combat fungal diseases, I don't want
to use overhead sprinkling. I want to keep the leaves
(33:09):
dry because fungus likes moisture, likes humidity, and so you
can irrigate in the morning and you can there's chemicals
we can use to prevent it, like chloral thallo now,
which is tradings their dak andom bravo and manko zeb
and organic people can use sulfur or copper. But you know,
(33:30):
we'll get out, bring your reading glasses to the garden center,
look at the active ingredients and pick up proper chemical.
Do you every think about fungal diseases, especially in a
vesta garden. There's so many good resistant varieties. But just
forget about those heirloom varieties, man, they are just like
so worthless when we can have a modern variety that
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resists the disease naturally. And you know when I'm talking
about GMOs here, we don't get that. We can't buy
that at a garden center. There's no GMOs none of that.
These are just modern varieties where scientists have found a
natural genes that resist the diseases. So like we got
powdery mildew resistance against for pumpkins and for squash and zucchini,
(34:14):
we've got that resistance. We've got for like a lot
of these tomato diseases. Just the last ten years, they've
made amazing progress in finding varieties that resist tomato diseases.
So you know, take advantage of those modern varieties and
look for ones that resist diseases. Okay, the last thing
(34:34):
I want to talk about are is hunger. You know,
got the hurder games here, I guess using the bug
Worth theme. Here, I got a sick apple tree here
this and the person it looks so pale, like those
leaves just yellow, just they should be rich and green,
but they're generally yellow. When you whenever you see an
(34:56):
entire tree showing the problem, I said, Okay, what do
they all have in common? They all have the same trunk.
And so you're focus down at the base of the tree.
So there's those pale lease and look at the trunk. Man,
this poor tree. You know, it's been weed whacked big time.
(35:17):
And so you see how the trunk's been damaged, the
bark's been damaged. And when you start seeing that orange coloration,
you know, this is what we call a pocket of disease,
like a canker. So you know, the most precious wood
of a tree is located just beneath the bark. That's
(35:38):
where the new growth comes. The new growth comes from
just beneath the bark. It's not from the inner core
of the tree. That's pretty much. That's that's not very
active wood. It's beneath the bark is where all the
action is. And so that's where the new growth comes.
And that's where a lot of the water and nutrients flow.
And so when you weed whack or you get the
lawnmower and you scrape that poor suffern tree, you're gonna
(36:02):
you're gonna disrupt the flow of water and nutrients. And
so this guy's got a bad vascular system and it
can't pump up the nutrients out of the soil. And
so you know, this guy's sad, you know, just sad.
And sometimes they I mean, you can't once you got
to pocket a disease in the wood, you can't spray
(36:25):
it out. It's embedded in the wood extensively. So sometimes
a tree can wall it off. It wants to live,
it's trying to live, it's trying to fight the disease.
But in many cases it's just sad. Came over huh,
slow slogan. Yeah, So that instead of weed whacking malts
(36:50):
around your trees. Use some shredded bark maults and use
the lesson of three three three. The mault would be
at least three feet in diameter. If you want to
go ten feet, more power to you. The tree will
love you for that. But at least three feet in
diameter and three inches deck. And keep mosts three inches
(37:10):
away from the trunk. Okay, three three three kay three
feet in diameter, three inches deck, and no malts within
three inches of the trunk, because if you put it
near the trunk, that's gonna the voles are gonna like
live in there and you can get trunk rot too,
So don't do that. So use shredded bark molts. It's
a wonderful thing for trees. And forget about those darn
(37:33):
weed whackers and lawnmowers. Be very careful. Your last photo
about hunger is like somebody shared me their photo of
their potato crop and it's all the leaves are yellow,
and it's a general yellow again. So these are starving
plants and you can see like this they need nitrogen.
(37:55):
And so this person hadn't fertilized this year. They thought
they just naturally thought their garden was fertile enough. But
when you see general yellowing and then nitrogen can move
in a plant, and the young leaves they're very aggressive.
They will steal it from the old leaves. Those young
leaves are not nice. They will steal it from the
old leaves. And so you see, especially if you see
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green on the top and yellow on the older leaves,
that guy needs a That guy needs some nitrogen big time.
And so like you know, cold blue, cold blue, the
fastest way to help this poor person, this poor potato plant,
is give him a shower of miracle grow or a
foll your fertilizer. I didn't know this before, but plants
(38:38):
can drink through their leaves. I always thought they drink
only into their roots. But they can drink through their leaves. Yeah,
it's kind of weird. And that's that's the fastest way
to feed. And so like America growth shower. Oh, they
would be so happy about that, and they would get
the fertilizers they need. Or if you don't want, if
that's too much work, you don't get a granular fertilizer,
(39:01):
you know, a what we call it chemical fertilizer. Let's
say ten ten ten or something. The first number is
the nitrogen that's the most important for almost all plants,
and so scatter that around there and work it in.
You know, organic fertilizers like well pete, moss and manure,
they're slow acting. So that's this guy's starving today. It
(39:22):
doesn't want to wait a week for his next meal.
So get that guy a shower, a miracle girl. So
that's what I got as far as the bug war
and other activities.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
So would you Sailor's hope for that potato plant if
he gets after it?
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yes? Well, you know sometimes Okay, what I say about this,
first of all, is it shouldn't have got this bad,
all right, you know, you know they should have spent
more time in their garden and enjoy their.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Plants, loving, singing to them.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
All of the don't get praying that helps to I've heard,
but at least talking to him and visit, just visit
with your plants and say, oh my gosh, you look
honey yellow, Oh my goodness. Can I do to help you? Oh? Oh,
I bet you need a little food now, just like
you know, just like when you visit Grandma and grandpa.
The first oh, you look like you can use a
(40:19):
oh yeah, a cookie or something here.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
You need this.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
You're so skinny, you know, get some bones on you,
and you know your old bones, you know, so get
some food, you know. And so that's what this person
should have built their potato plants like a couple of
weeks or more ago. So when you start really seeing suffering, Okay,
this it hasn't it can it's not. It's uh, it's
(40:46):
not an overnight healing job. So it's yield it's going
to be lower this year. So when you can really
start seeing this isn't. This isn't hidden hunger, but we
call some hidden hunger. This is like real loud hunger.
It's like screaming at me like I'm starving. Help me.
So there's hope for this guy. But their yields are
(41:09):
not gonna be They're not gonna They're not gonna it's
not gonna be a bumper crop. Let's say that.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Okay, I'm good to know.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
So what else? What else? Now? It's gonna cool off now?
So uh is it?
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Are we gonna stay cool?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Though?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
I doubt it.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I kind of doubt it too. I think there's some
hot days, yeat, I had a boss.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yes, what else we can talk about I know, uh,
you know, now it's a good time to plant spinach
if you want to. This is a good week to
plant spinach and keeps so cool if you can you
get some moisture in the ground, help that spinach germinate,
and you can still spinach crop this year. And uh,
I think that's about it as far as I can
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think about, like what's really timely right now? Right, just
spend some time, enjoy the harvest. Pick on a regular basis,
you know, because if you pick on a regular basis,
and the plants will keep producing for you. Or just
like dead heading flowers, keep dead heading your flowers. And
the other thing I want to say about like fertilizing
(42:11):
is that that sick tree. Like I really, once you're
past mid July, I think you have to be cautious
about fertilizing like fruit trees, right, I don't want to
produce more new succulent growth heading into winter. So like
for that apple tree, I would just kind of say,
I mean you're not, like you're just really sick. I
(42:33):
think I'm just gonna let you just kind of going
head into winter and will fertilize you in the spring.
So be cautious about fertilizing trees, especially at this time. Again,
we don't want to push off, push out new succulent
growth with our vicious blizzard, destructive winter that forecasts every
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year that we have. But like a potato plant, man,
you're gonna die anyhow from frost, so you might.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
As well give you the iv IV right now.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
It's okay, but you know your plants again, if you
look for if you see pale leaves in your garden,
that's a sign that you need a little pick me up.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I think that's all we got for today. We'll be
back and a couple of weeks here and stuff. So
as always, we just want to thank everybody who is listening,
hopefully out there on podcasts and those who are watching.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
I'm Kelsey Decker, your horticulture agent here in Burley County.
Joined in the radio Access studio by my co host
Tom Cobb. Andy s you extension horticulture list.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
How are we doing.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Everything's good.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
We're in August, that's right, that's right here we are
countdown to school, back to school coming.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
And luckily the weather's cool and off global warming for a.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Couple of weeks since July, which is normal.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I got a couple of weeks, so I always thought
like August was a very hot time. I always talked
even my childhood, like like football too days, you know,
August it was really like brutal weather. But for whatever reason,
this year we got a nice cool start going on.
But no frost. No frost. We're not ready for that.
(01:15):
We don't want frost yet, no, not at all. Got
over a month still for that, still.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Getting ample rain. The rain shower has been coming. We
get any hail at your place, just a.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Little bit, okay, just a little bit, just just a
little a few piece sized hail. Nothing, just a little
bit of excitement, but not nothing destructive.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, so not last week and but the weekend before
my sister got like golf ball sized hail at her place,
so kind of interesting, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Really yeah, really a golf ball, no big for real.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah, they had them in their hands and everything, so
it would hurt. Yeah, luckily not too bad of down Madge,
But it's interesting when they don't live terribly far to
our place. And I was like, well, thank god it
didn't come this way, you know. So been a little
bit of wickedness with the hail. No tornadoes around this area,
(02:14):
which is good.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
That's right, No hurricanes, no typhoons. So you know, every
every place in the world has a few problems, but
that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I think last week with the warm temperatures, it's just
a good reminder why we live in North Dakota, Like,
why why I wouldn't take.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
That hotiness all the time? That high temperatures? Man, not
my cup of tea.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
But yes, of course we say that. But were eight
thousand fools like us and you know three hundred some
million other Americans who's true? Who laugh at us? Oh?
(03:05):
I don't know. I'm not here for the weather.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
First, you want to hear what's going on?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah, why not? Okay, Well about gardening.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Landscape, just what's going on in the landscape. I kind
of narrowed it down to the top, like three prevalent.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Questions.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
I've gett topics today? Sure, any breaking.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
News, No, nothing new, nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
New, just gotta talk about it.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Okay, Well, give me a refresher course, I like care.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Well.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I started off with a nice sunflower photo for you,
since you love sunflowers.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I just went and took this this morning. I was like,
look at how I got the sun up at the
community gardens.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
You took that picture I did.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's a calendar worthy.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Good it's out standing.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Okay, I figured you'd probably know, like what type those are?
Those are only like maybe four feet tall, pretty small.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
That's all. That's a classic ornamental type. You know. There's
lots of varieties that are like it could be like
gold rush. There's a lot of rieties like that. Beautiful. Yeah,
all those branches of flowers.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Well, I had to start beautiful before we get into
the destructiveness. Right, Okay, we're gonna talk apheds, right, So symptoms.
People always calling in about the twisted, curled leaves, also
kind of the puckered looking leaves. I think the most
common thing we always hear is you know the shininess,
(04:40):
the stickiness the porches, right, so you always got that
stickiness on the porches. And then in some cases you
notice the soudy mold too, like in the photo that
I have on some pine trees there. So again, when
the apheds are basically pooping out there there, honeydeke can
turn into that sooty.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Mold, so kind of blackish gray.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Blackish kind of yuck on there. So again, what do
aphids look like? They're about one sixteenth one eighth inch
with that pear shaped body. Lots of different colors I
think most commonly you see kind of that translucent green
even like red, black, yellow, brown, gray. I see more
(05:25):
of those probably on like our plants in the garden
than on the trees. And then the key characteristic as
I have circled here in that picture that you see
are those two pale two tailpipes that come out of
the abdomen. So good picture of like an immature aphid
and then a larger aphid.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
And also know that they can they can have wings
as well.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Well. They're insects, that's right. Every insect has wings, right, yeah,
of course, and six legs.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
That's right. Three body parts.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
You got it?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Okay, plenty of them.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
So what do we do trees?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I'm gonna focus on trees here, but even in the
garden talk about it. You want to take the simple route,
Just get a high pressurized water, spray at them, knock
them off the trees, knock them off your plants. Tom
when you go, what do you always talk about the
Clint Eastwood approach?
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Right?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
That's right?
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Do you do that with aphids on trees? Do you
feel that way the same?
Speaker 3 (06:34):
You got to calm down, Calm down, that's exactly tree
like that. Trees got like a zillion leaves and the
leaves are pretty much stre and they're pretty much done
for the year. You could drop every that, you could
have a gianus enormous aphid swarm, calm to your tree,
(06:56):
eat every leaf, and the tree would be fine at
this time of year. So, you know, for somewise healthy.
So when it comes to trees and aphids, just calm down,
and uh, you're under more stress than the tree is.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And also the thing is I talk about the curl leaves,
How the heck can you get the underside the aphids
are in the curl, right, so they're kind of shielding.
Oh yeah, if you if it feels good, you know,
blast away on your tree. But also how you gonna
get so like what if you got a fifty foot
tall tree, how are you gonna get them? So it
(07:30):
doesn't matter, it's just nature and the trees just kind
of it's just like being tickled a little bit that
trees just fine.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It's not under You have a lot of natural enemies.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So again, yeah, ladybugs, man, lady bugs ahead. They can
eat hundreds. I don't know how many of these guys
you that, like he like a few thousand per lady bug.
They just munch on these aphids. There's they're so soft
and delicious, you know, just like cotton can I.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Was gonna say, or like like going to the movie
theater right poc.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah, they probably the aphid bodies probably does pop a
little bit when you punch. Oh yeah, kind of crunchy.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, so yeah, relax, that's what it comes in the garden.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
You know. That's the gardens different though, because like if
they're if they're covering your plant, covering your your pepper plant,
then you know you could lose that. I mean, if
they're really swarmed, it can cause damage. So then you
gotta take action and and uh jetsprey of water can help.
(08:38):
But maybe maybe you want to take a go after
them with the past a side is that? Is that
what you do?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I know, like you, I'm gonna relax. But in the garden,
remember I don't have a garden here, so I'm not
seeing them.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
But I haven't.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I actually haven't had a lot of questions in regards
to aphids in the gardens. This here just really the
trees is where I've been on.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
You know, this reminds me. I remember when I in
my younger days, I had like a hunger free garden,
but I drank. It was like five acre garden and
we and know, yeah, we had an eighth and infestation
and uh eating our greens. And had a big argument
(09:20):
with with some of my volunteers.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
As far as what to do and what do you decide?
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Clint I said, I'm in charge. I took charge, and
I am like I'm a dictator. Sometimes I'm kind of cruel,
you know. And uh, I said, man, we're growing food
for the poor, not for aphians. So the hell, let's
get out that. Let's go get some insc aside and
blast these suckers and save our crop. So we did.
(09:49):
But I didn't like that. I don't like conflicts. You know.
It's like thirty years guy, I still remember that conflict.
But they were kind of easy going people. But that's
where my Clint Eastwood approach came out and saying, you
stay out of my territory, you sick legged. Credit gonna
get you.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You know, I think a lot of times when I'm
talking with clients about trees and stuff, again, they're they're
seeing them.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Over the porch. The porches are sticky, the cars, So.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
That's when I just talk about removing that honeydew and
using like a dish detergent or even you have to
get a little tough for a tar remover, but I
think dish detergent's gonna work real well on those.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yeah, if it's your car, just park somewhere else about.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
That, well, maybe you don't have a garage, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I mean just park on the street and just park,
or just park a little bit. Park. Don't park underneath
the tree, Yeah, park underneath something else.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It's true, try to.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Cope with if it's If it's they're amazing reproducing animals.
They can They're just like incredible. I think there's something
about that. And they can just be they can turn
themselves into a female. Oh wow, weird. They got unusual habits,
(11:08):
like they don't need partners.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
They're like mutants.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, they can like when they want to reproduce, they reproduce.
H kind of fun.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yeah, okay, let's go to the next problem.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Huh, next concern.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And again we've talked about this in the past, but
still I am seeing lots of apple scab out there.
So again, you know, if you're seeing like yellowing falling leaves,
that's usually what people say, Like my apple trees got
a lot of yellow leaves.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
They're shedding.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
If you look at the leaves like this one that
I have in the picture, you start to see those round, velvety,
olive green spots. Again, they can get large, up to
about half an inch in size, but then those spots
are going to eventually become dark brown and even black
if you do have it on apple trees. You've talked
in the past about how the fruit can be affected
(12:00):
and it can even get like quirky. So kind of
the question is is like out as it spread, so
that fungus is gonna overwinter in the infected leaves. So
again here's the same tree. You can see those affected
leaves at the bottom. And then also the spores are
going to be carried by the wind in the rain.
(12:21):
You know, obviously looking at this picture, there was a
whole nother issue I had to approach with this homeowner.
What do you see there, Well, you're talking about the
landscape tab you bet.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Choking the tree a little bit there.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, you had to talk about removing that and getting
that out of there.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So what do we do about scap?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Just like you've mentioned, let's rake up those leaves, Let's
get them out of the area. And then during our
dormance season, let's go ahead and let's prune our canopy,
open it up for more airlight and sunflow, and again
kind of.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Alleviate that pressure for next year.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Another thing calmed down. You don't need to go get
fungicides out there. Think you need to do something to
get rid of those spots immediately.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Well, it's as the song goes, it's too late, baby,
It's just too late to try to make it. Yeah,
it's too late, baby, because there's no curative one inside
you gotta prevent with fun in sides. So it's too.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Late, you're in August.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
We gotta deal with you got the scab if it's scab.
Scab is not a fatal it's not a deadly disease.
I mean once it's like devastating for several years in
a row. But you know everything you says, so right,
You got to get the darn disease out from underneath
the tree. That's where it comes from. Here after year,
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crew in the tree get more airflow. And then if
you want to spray the tree when the leads are
just popping out, yeah, that's the key time because of
those those young don't have any wax protection on them.
And if we get a wet spring again next year,
we're gonna scab to be an issue. But I told
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you to a story about like one time when I
was a county agent and a woman called me like
she's I think she's like in her forties or fifties,
and and she's telling me about wondering about what to
do about her trees. Leaves are dropping, her apple trees dropping.
And then you remember the story, and then and then
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I said, don't worry. That tree is gonna be fine.
It's just got apple scab. It's gonna and she go,
what what, Yeah, tree is gonna come back next year,
no problem. And she just dropped the phone and ran
out to the backyard because her husband wasting reving up
the chain salery to cut down the tree. So so
that was a close call.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
But look at you saving saving the world.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
There you go. Yeah. So but but you like you
kind of got a theme here about how how trees
are so tolerant to environmental stresses and they've been through
this rodeo before and they'll go through it again.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
So yeah, no worries, Yeah, I think so, no worries.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So last week we talked actually on in like our
state wide call about fall web where any questions, any
calls coming in.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I haven't had any, and we're right on the cusp
of it. Yeah, And on choke cherry they seem to
have a thing for choke cherry trees.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
We're just gonna talk everything I got to talk about.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I'm going to say it.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I've had I've had one one picture so far of
a small web that came in.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
This photo.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
This is from a couple of years ago. This is
not a photo that I got this year or anything.
But just like you said, comment in those choke cherries, apples,
birch and even elm trees, what do we need to
do again, don't need to get out there and cut
out branches, cut down the trees, anything like that. Can
break up that nest, place that nest in like a
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bucket of soapy water, or just break it up, break
it up with a jet stream of water. And then
if you need that immediate kill, that revenge, of course,
you can look at pesticides.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, yeah, that's I've done that before.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Makes you feel good.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Carbro on a webworm nest just like a nuclear bomb.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Manager instant gratification on those.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Thus suckers just dropped to the ground, shake and shiver
and that's the end of them. Yeah, don't mess around
with my tree. But I don't know what else you
want to say about it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I think I want to transition since we got a
bug theme going on and you're talking about beating dictator.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I'm a nice dictator. You know.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I was thinking there an.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Evlent king I was in that darden. But you know
the other thing with that web worm again, the theme
is it doesn't really matter, because those webworms are only
eating leaves. Okay, They're not going to eat your whole
darn tree wood and all. They're just gonna.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Eat, So who cares about the leaves?
Speaker 3 (17:25):
The leads are turning yellow soon and drop, and so
you don't have to do anything about web worm if
you don't want to. You can just just ignore it
if you want to, and just walk inside and watch
the vikings play football instead whatever you like doing. But
but but if you want to kill them, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Kill them.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
You don't have to, Okay, Yeah, so now it's my turn. Okay, Well,
like you say, we're talking about bugs today because a
lot of bugs out there.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
There's a lot of bugs out there.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Bug wars and uh, but you know, in general, and
I'm gonna talk mostly about the garden, not so much
about trees myself here. And the garden's been good this
year because of the rain and the harvests have been wonderful.
We're getting wonderful crisp let us have a bounty of beans,
and the sweet corns coming in absolutely delicious. And broccoli said,
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good broccoli crop. And then also the cabbage looks good too.
But all this, all these vegetables look good to us. However,
it also looks good to our enemy, the bugs. And
one type of bugs active right now are flea beetles.
They're thinking of like black clouds come out of the
especially canola fields after the harvest, and just swarm they
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love Like this is on a Brussels sprout.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Those aren't holes, huh.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
As there was a black bug. There's a thousand on
one plant. And now now that's brussels sprout. So who cares?
They can have that? You know, what do you think
about Brussels sprout?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Certain ways they're cooked. I'll eat them, you know, add
in the bacon.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
I'll put it bacon.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Put the bacon and some bacon grease. Then they wrap
them and bacon. Then you can eat them.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
But here's the coast upon the flea beetles, the shiny
black beetles, and they make all these shotholes all over
the place. Another bug that's starting to get active. Now,
are you see white butterflies are actually they're moss of
the imported cabbage worm. They're they're like white moss with
a black spot on the wing. And I often see
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them like dancing on top of my broccoli and cabbage.
And when they're not really dancing, they're they're laying eggs.
They're getting busy on my plant. And when I when
I see the dancing happening, then I don't wait until it. Yeah,
I don't wait till it's too late. Baby, it's not
too late. I take action, and here here it is.
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And everythink that's interesting about a lot of these moss
is the men like to get together at the local
mud hole before the breeding season starts. They went to
What they're doing is they're swapping stories and also they're
they're trying to collect some minerals and out of the clay,
out of the soil there, and then they get some
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salts and they have more reproductive success that way.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
So what's your weapon of choice?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Well, it's common, Okay, there's a lot of a lot
of options.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
A lot of options.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I'm not here to tell you what to do. I'm
not a king, I'm not a dictator. I'm here to
give you options.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I'm here to educate and give you options. Kelsey. So
this one, this this male had a successful breeding expedition
and he had a louted children. Here's a big imported
cabbage where there's a teenager. Yeah, right, camouflage, but they
lose their camouflage because they eat all the holes around,
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so there's not much camouflage here. And this picture of
a holy cabbage. So, as I've said before, what do
you do? Some people get sad when their cabbage crop
is full of holes, but I don't get sad.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You get mad.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I get mad. I want to get even. So if
you like the half. There's different ways to approach your enemy.
There is do you want to like kill them, like
immediately guillotine type like rip you're dead. Then there's some
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synthetic pyreth riids. They're synthetic chemicals. He's probably the most
popular ones seven Garden Tech seven, which is a zeta cypermethrin.
It's at every garden center. And Bonite thought they'd be
kind of cute, so they instead of seven, they call
theirs eight. So I guess that's better. But I don't know.
I don't know I ever got the name seven something.
(22:17):
They never didn't spell it right. I just how did
that ever happen? It must have been a probably a
translate into French or something. European scientist inventor. I don't
know what happened, but seven and eight they're very common.
But now also so these are the synthetic pyreeth roids.
They will kill very quickly and give you a great
(22:39):
sense of immediate revenge. And uh, but they're they're toxic.
They're toxic, and so you have to follow label carefully,
follow the recommended rates and there'll be a reentry interval.
You have to wait after you spray until your harvest,
so you know, use these. They're very effective, but they're
and they cover they kill a broad spectrum of insect past.
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But then that's the problem also because if kill there's
a lot of beneficial insects they kill. They'll kill ladybugs,
they'll kill bees, so you have to be careful with them,
following abel carefully. The tomatoes are getting our being harvested too,
and this is one of my favorite insects that are
attacking now.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
They are cool.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Look the tomato or tobacco hornworm with those scary eyeballs.
It's a big green caterpillar, a lot of scary eyeballs
going down the side and a horn that on its
We're in the scare away the enemies like.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
They'm built in with a sword already that's right.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
That's very vicious but also very hungry. So this this
is what I call the garden glutton. Even in scientific
named manduca, manduca means glutton. And that's because this particular
insect eats four times its weight every day. Eight four times.
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That means like, okay, over two hundred pounds. That means
I have to eat eight hundred pounds of food every day.
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
That's like they're just trying to become obese.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Song they want to. They increase in size one thousand
times in three weeks. It's a cat turns into an
elephant in three weeks.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
They are very large.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
They are they like when you see pictures or people
whoor like got them on their plants. It's crazy to
see the size. Like I also think I think it's
a sphinx moth that a caterpillar, Like, yeah, it's in
the caterpillar.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
It's just huge.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Turn into a moth, a sphinx moth that a lot
of people confuse with humming birds. Yeah, it looks just
like a hummingbird so big. Yeah, that's they're fascinating, uh,
fascinating critters. And uh, now you heard about seven or
eight now My favorite insect aside for hornworms, is thirteen.
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Oh have you ever heard of thirteen?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I haven't.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
That's my special that's the size of my shoe. So
what I dow is I pick them off the plant
and I step on them with my size thirteen shoe. Squish, squish,
very effective.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
So Friday the thirteenth, that's right, So.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Don't forget about thirteen. Yeah, I mean there's so they're
not that many of them. Usually usually just see one
or two in a plant, and uh, maybe they're cannibalistic
A lot of times. A lot of these kind of
critters they eat their brothers and sisters, and so there's
usually only a few of them around on the plant.
But I don't know for sure if a horn worms cannibalistic.
But when I see it, I only see First of all,
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I never see it because it's camoufaged as well. I
only see it when I see the damage. I go,
what the heck, I'm losing about a fourth of my
plant overnight? What happened? And then you see that critter there,
and so I just pick it off and throw it
on the ground and squish it with my foot. That's
the kind of that guy that's easy. So that's my
foot is one natural insecticide, and there's other options of
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natural insecticides too, and we can talk about them now.
Going to pyreethrens and there's a bacterium called bus sell
Us thuringensis. We call it bt bt and spin all
sad and then as a direct in which is the name,
and then insecticide soap. So each one of these natural insecticides,
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like my foot, has special benefits and their shortcomings. You
mentioned pyrethrin actually going after aphids. Yeah, pyrethrine comes from chrysanthemums,
and a good thing about a pyrethrin if you like it,
it kills immediately. It paralyzes the past emmiately. It's like
a nerve agent, so they shake, shiver and get paralyzed immediately.
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Pyrethrians control many different kinds of pats and they break
down rapidly, so they're really only good for one or
two days, that's it. So, and they break down rapidly
in sunlight, and so it's kind of a good idea
to spray in the early evening hour so you have
a longer time for it to be active. And then
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it only worked for about a day or two. That's it.
The chemical breaks down rapidly now, so don't get it
doesn't give you much much uh duration of protection. But
since it breaks down rapidly, it's uh you know, you
don't it doesn't even you can harvest rapidly. So there's
pluses of minus far tyreethern is fairly all these natural
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insecticides like my foot, they're they're they're very low and
toxicity to you, so you don't have to worry about, uh,
compared to like that seven and eight, which are much
more toxic to humans. We talked about bacillistern gensis. That's
a soil bacterium that's been it's been around for a
long time, and the common trade names as I listened
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in bottoms diepell and thoroicide. Uh BT has to be
eaten by the past. And the nice thing about that
once it eats it's it acts slowly, so it won't
kill right away, it won't paralyze. It gets us tummy itch.
It takes like a two day old gut rot. So
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you know, like some people like you know, like we
talk about Clint Eastwoods today, like like to see that
immediate death. But you know, maybe you like to torture
your enemy for a couple of.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Days, Yes, I wash them struggle, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Two days, let them suffered, don't. Yeah, I'm not gonna
let you get away so easily. I'm gonna have you
like suffer for a couple of days and then die.
And the thing with BT. There's different types of strains
of BT out there. The most common one is highly
specific for caterpillars, so that means it won't kill bees.
For example, it won't kill it won't kill mites. You know,
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it only killed caterpillars. We gotta read the There's different
types of bats. Some will go after beetles, some won't,
But the most common tapes only kill caterpillars, so that
means it's it won't it won't harm beneficial insects. It
won't harm ladybugs for example. Okay, so that's a good option.
Then I think the one that's really got a lot
of momentum no is spino is sad. This is a
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natural soil bacteria that they discovered in a distillery in
the Caribbean. They found that in the soil of a
rum distillery, and Spinoll said causes spasms. Now this like
you spray the or the bug gets exposed to it,
it will have spasms for two days, shaken and shoving
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for two days before it dies.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
That's suffering.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
That's a good feeling and a nice thing about spin
All said. It controls many a wide range of insect
pass and mites too, And I think the most common
practice yet garden centers is Captain Jack's dead bug brew
from bowening. So Spinosa has a lot going for it,
they have to say. And then the the as the
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directing which comes from the neem tree seats this, this
chemical has to be eaten by the past, and that
so it's safe to bees. Okay, because bees aren't interested
in eating your cabbage so or or anything that bees
are flying. They don't want to eat your your cucumber leaves,
you know, or whatever. They just want to I just
want to polinate. So neme is very safe for bees.
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And the way name works is that it's a feeding repellent.
So when when a past get exposed and theme, it
loses its appetite and then also its hormones go out
of whack and so it doesn't develop into an adult,
and so it just kind of slowly withers away as
a worthless teenager. Pretty much so does it reproduce her
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So it controls name controls a lot of pasts and
come in different forms. The last one is insect is
I'll soap and said, you know, like they say, like,
you know, soap dries your skin, right? Yeah? Is that
a prop for you?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Tell just I kind of in general have probably dryer skin,
especially in the wintertime.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I'm back, it's so itchy.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
So yeah, well I don't don't recommend insecticidles.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, I probably could shower.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
With that insectid The soaps desiccate the past, it dries
them out, and so it works against the soft body
past like aphids you talked about in caterpillars. But soap
has no residual. That means you gotta physically spray the bug.
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A bug that flies onto the pint an hour later
won't be affected because it wants it's soaps dry, so
you have to spray a lot of time. So in
a garden, I'm not really into insecticidle soap because it's
got no residual. I gotta have some, I gotta I can't.
I can't worry about kneeling every bug. I mean, like,
because there all were underside of leaves. We got to underside.
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Bugs hang out in the underside of leaves usually, and
so this is something I'm sick by particular. It's so
safe though, you.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Know, it's so like house plants.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Yeah, I like house plants because then it's it's manageable,
just a plant or two to spray and so okay,
so that's my bug worth. I got a few other
things to throw.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
In here, all right, are they some hort shorts?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
These are some hort shorts for your kelsey and uh yeah,
we got the tomato uh bungle diseases going to starting
out and also powdery mill doing getting quite a few
questions about that. I like this photo here because it
really shows how the older leaves are affected. Yeah, they're
the ones that get the first infection and so uh
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powdery mill dow. That's it's catching on not only on
like pumpkins and squashed, but we see this on lilacs
and oh at an instance with current bushes recently. So
it's getting active though, like amidity, it is what it's like.
So in general to combat fungal diseases, I don't want
to use overhead sprinkling. I want to keep the leaves
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dry because fungus likes moisture, likes humidity, and so you
can irrigate in the morning and you can there's chemicals
we can use to prevent it, like chloral thallo now,
which is tradings their dak andom bravo and manko zeb
and organic people can use sulfur or copper. But you know,
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we'll get out, bring your reading glasses to the garden center,
look at the active ingredients and pick up proper chemical.
Do you every think about fungal diseases, especially in a
vesta garden. There's so many good resistant varieties. But just
forget about those heirloom varieties, man, they are just like
so worthless when we can have a modern variety that
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resists the disease naturally. And you know when I'm talking
about GMOs here, we don't get that. We can't buy
that at a garden center. There's no GMOs none of that.
These are just modern varieties where scientists have found a
natural genes that resist the diseases. So like we got
powdery mildew resistance against for pumpkins and for squash and zucchini,
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we've got that resistance. We've got for like a lot
of these tomato diseases. Just the last ten years, they've
made amazing progress in finding varieties that resist tomato diseases.
So you know, take advantage of those modern varieties and
look for ones that resist diseases. Okay, the last thing
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I want to talk about are is hunger. You know,
got the hurder games here, I guess using the bug
Worth theme. Here, I got a sick apple tree here
this and the person it looks so pale, like those
leaves just yellow, just they should be rich and green,
but they're generally yellow. When you whenever you see an
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entire tree showing the problem, I said, Okay, what do
they all have in common? They all have the same trunk.
And so you're focus down at the base of the tree.
So there's those pale lease and look at the trunk. Man,
this poor tree. You know, it's been weed whacked big time.
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And so you see how the trunk's been damaged, the
bark's been damaged. And when you start seeing that orange coloration,
you know, this is what we call a pocket of disease,
like a canker. So you know, the most precious wood
of a tree is located just beneath the bark. That's
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where the new growth comes. The new growth comes from
just beneath the bark. It's not from the inner core
of the tree. That's pretty much. That's that's not very
active wood. It's beneath the bark is where all the
action is. And so that's where the new growth comes.
And that's where a lot of the water and nutrients flow.
And so when you weed whack or you get the
lawnmower and you scrape that poor suffern tree, you're gonna
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you're gonna disrupt the flow of water and nutrients. And
so this guy's got a bad vascular system and it
can't pump up the nutrients out of the soil. And
so you know, this guy's sad, you know, just sad.
And sometimes they I mean, you can't once you got
to pocket a disease in the wood, you can't spray
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it out. It's embedded in the wood extensively. So sometimes
a tree can wall it off. It wants to live,
it's trying to live, it's trying to fight the disease.
But in many cases it's just sad. Came over huh,
slow slogan. Yeah, So that instead of weed whacking malts
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around your trees. Use some shredded bark maults and use
the lesson of three three three. The mault would be
at least three feet in diameter. If you want to
go ten feet, more power to you. The tree will
love you for that. But at least three feet in
diameter and three inches deck. And keep mosts three inches
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away from the trunk. Okay, three three three kay three
feet in diameter, three inches deck, and no malts within
three inches of the trunk, because if you put it
near the trunk, that's gonna the voles are gonna like
live in there and you can get trunk rot too,
So don't do that. So use shredded bark molts. It's
a wonderful thing for trees. And forget about those darn
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weed whackers and lawnmowers. Be very careful. Your last photo
about hunger is like somebody shared me their photo of
their potato crop and it's all the leaves are yellow,
and it's a general yellow again. So these are starving
plants and you can see like this they need nitrogen.
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And so this person hadn't fertilized this year. They thought
they just naturally thought their garden was fertile enough. But
when you see general yellowing and then nitrogen can move
in a plant, and the young leaves they're very aggressive.
They will steal it from the old leaves. Those young
leaves are not nice. They will steal it from the
old leaves. And so you see, especially if you see
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green on the top and yellow on the older leaves,
that guy needs a That guy needs some nitrogen big time.
And so like you know, cold blue, cold blue, the
fastest way to help this poor person, this poor potato plant,
is give him a shower of miracle grow or a
foll your fertilizer. I didn't know this before, but plants
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can drink through their leaves. I always thought they drink
only into their roots. But they can drink through their leaves. Yeah,
it's kind of weird. And that's that's the fastest way
to feed. And so like America growth shower. Oh, they
would be so happy about that, and they would get
the fertilizers they need. Or if you don't want, if
that's too much work, you don't get a granular fertilizer,
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you know, a what we call it chemical fertilizer. Let's
say ten ten ten or something. The first number is
the nitrogen that's the most important for almost all plants,
and so scatter that around there and work it in.
You know, organic fertilizers like well pete, moss and manure,
they're slow acting. So that's this guy's starving today. It
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doesn't want to wait a week for his next meal.
So get that guy a shower, a miracle girl. So
that's what I got as far as the bug war
and other activities.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
So would you Sailor's hope for that potato plant if
he gets after it?
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yes? Well, you know sometimes Okay, what I say about this,
first of all, is it shouldn't have got this bad,
all right, you know, you know they should have spent
more time in their garden and enjoy their.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Plants, loving, singing to them.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
All of the don't get praying that helps to I've heard,
but at least talking to him and visit, just visit
with your plants and say, oh my gosh, you look
honey yellow, Oh my goodness. Can I do to help you? Oh? Oh,
I bet you need a little food now, just like
you know, just like when you visit Grandma and grandpa.
The first oh, you look like you can use a
(40:19):
oh yeah, a cookie or something here.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
You need this.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
You're so skinny, you know, get some bones on you,
and you know your old bones, you know, so get
some food, you know. And so that's what this person
should have built their potato plants like a couple of
weeks or more ago. So when you start really seeing suffering, Okay,
this it hasn't it can it's not. It's uh, it's
(40:46):
not an overnight healing job. So it's yield it's going
to be lower this year. So when you can really
start seeing this isn't. This isn't hidden hunger, but we
call some hidden hunger. This is like real loud hunger.
It's like screaming at me like I'm starving. Help me.
So there's hope for this guy. But their yields are
(41:09):
not gonna be They're not gonna They're not gonna it's
not gonna be a bumper crop. Let's say that.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Okay, I'm good to know.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
So what else? What else? Now? It's gonna cool off now?
So uh is it?
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Are we gonna stay cool?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Though?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
I doubt it.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
I kind of doubt it too. I think there's some
hot days, yeat, I had a boss.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Yes, what else we can talk about I know, uh,
you know, now it's a good time to plant spinach
if you want to. This is a good week to
plant spinach and keeps so cool if you can you
get some moisture in the ground, help that spinach germinate,
and you can still spinach crop this year. And uh,
I think that's about it as far as I can
(41:49):
think about, like what's really timely right now? Right, just
spend some time, enjoy the harvest. Pick on a regular basis,
you know, because if you pick on a regular basis,
and the plants will keep producing for you. Or just
like dead heading flowers, keep dead heading your flowers. And
the other thing I want to say about like fertilizing
(42:11):
is that that sick tree. Like I really, once you're
past mid July, I think you have to be cautious
about fertilizing like fruit trees, right, I don't want to
produce more new succulent growth heading into winter. So like
for that apple tree, I would just kind of say,
I mean you're not, like you're just really sick. I
(42:33):
think I'm just gonna let you just kind of going
head into winter and will fertilize you in the spring.
So be cautious about fertilizing trees, especially at this time. Again,
we don't want to push off, push out new succulent
growth with our vicious blizzard, destructive winter that forecasts every
(42:58):
year that we have. But like a potato plant, man,
you're gonna die anyhow from frost, so you might.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
As well give you the iv IV right now.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
It's okay, but you know your plants again, if you
look for if you see pale leaves in your garden,
that's a sign that you need a little pick me up.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
I think that's all we got for today. We'll be
back and a couple of weeks here and stuff. So
as always, we just want to thank everybody who is listening,
hopefully out there on podcasts and those who are watching.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
As well. So thank you and we'll see you on
the next episode. Dakota Growing is a gardening show brought
to you by Dakota Media Access and Endsu Extension. We
discuss a variety of timely topics pertaining to your landscape,
along with giving you tips and advice for your lawn,
garden and trees. If you have questions, call seven oh
(43:59):
one two two one six eight six five or email,
NDSU dot Burley, dot Extension at NDSU dot com.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Dakota Growing airs on radio Access one O two point
five FM, Community
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Access Channel twelve or six twelve h D, or online
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