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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to Dakota Growing. I'm Kelsey Deckert, your horticulture agent
here in Burley County, joined in the radio Access studio
by my co host Tom Cobb NDSU Extension Horticultures. How
are we doing.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Everything's good, Kelsey.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
End of October. Nice chilly morning.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
This frost on the lawn this morning. Yeah, it's a
nice time. Nice chili, you know, football season. Put another
blanket on the bed and kind of slowing down outside
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
But the days are short, theys.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Are definitely getting shorter.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And did you hear we're gonna get a terrible winter.
It sounds like it's going to be cold and snowy.
I think it's true. I really hope they're wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I did hear though, that there's like a prediction of
a Colorado lowe coming up next week for Halloween.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But what does that mean.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
It means potential of snow. Everything's a potential, though, right.
So do you enjoy this time of year? You like
the cool Chris mornings? Yeah? Yeah I do too. I
like it. And then I like when we get up
to about sixty degrees too. Still that feels good, Yeah,
it feels really good.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It is nice and sonny, and you see the maples
are really radiant now.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The color, Yeah, very nice plastic out there.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So it's a good time.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It is it is. Do you got your garden put
away for the year.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, we're gonna be talking about that.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
We're gonna talk about I just thought i'd ask you
about your garden.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I actually I got a lot of work to do still,
so that's why I've worked about that snow.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
But time's a ticken we'll see, we'll get it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That should we just.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Get started dive in. All right, Well today I'm gonna
talk to you guys about protecting our pollinators through the winter.
Do you knowice a lot of pollinators at your place?
I would hope with your garden.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Uh. Actually, you know if one of the things I
found this year is how how zinias are really attracting
a lot of butterflies this year? It's a lot of
people across the state of send me that report. But actually,
there are a lot of bugs in my house, I'll
tell you that, man, A lot of cluster flies. And
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I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I just have to say, lord, I still have like
I have some of those stripey winged flies. Yeah, and
then just like the really big window wines. Yeah. So
then it's like every day they're up like on the
windows or up on the ceiling, and then I come
back the next day it's like graveyard.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Isn't that weird?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
They're really slow and they just die. Yeah. Well huh right, Okay,
wellators too.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
We're gonna talk a little bit about that. So just
to highlight some of the pollinators of our state. Mainly
we have the bees, the butterflies, and the moths, and
so under the bees, you see, we have a lot
of different bee like different families that we see within
our state. In same way with the bee or the
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butterflies and moths as well. So we got quite a
few pollinators in our state if we're focusing just on
the bees, butterflies, and moths. So right now like big
things that you know, I feel like there's a big
movement for pollinators, right we talk about pollinator gardens and
everything like that, bee lawns yep. So I know NDUS
(03:55):
is just coming out with a new publication on that.
So really what so what people are concerned about as
we see some of these pollinators make like endangered species
lists and stuff is main concerns is pesticides, different pathogens,
whether that's like a parasite that they get or viral,
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and then our habitat loss. So you know, pathogens and stuff,
probably not a lot we can do on our end,
but we can do stuff about the pesticides and the habitat,
which is good. So just to highlight, I'm gonna start
off about bees today, and so just two of the
most common bees that we see within our state, the
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bumblebee and the honey bee, and just kind of giving
everybody that background a little bit of their life cycle.
So a bumblebee will have like an annual nest and
the queen is going to select a site and then
she starts a colony. The offspring are going to be
workers who take over that colony's responsibilities, and then in
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late sun will start seeing the colony produce males and females,
and after they mate, the fertilized females will go underground
to hibernate for the winter.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So what happens to those hard working bees, They just
get frozen, frozen, they.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Don't make it. They live a year less than a year.
And then our honey bee, so in North Dakota. They
really struggle to overwinter unless they happen. Well, we always
talk about why our winters are so good in the
aspect of minnip Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's right about bees. We don't want to kill the bees.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
We don't know. So these honey bees, most of them
in our state, actually get sent to California.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
The ones in the counties, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
They go, which I've noticed in the last month. Of
course I live out of town, so I see the
people who get hives for the year and everything like that,
and so they've really been collecting them.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I think inside the hive they have a way to
stay warm. They don't do you can talk about that.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I wasn't, but do you have some information?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
They take turns, oh, like you got the queen in
the center, and then the workers they flutter their wings
to keep warmth going, and then they take turns like
okay now because they're a team, right, these are teams, right,
social animals, So they take turns like okay, uh, you
got to go to the outside now, outside of our group,
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Like they're in a big huddle. So like if you're
in the inside of the huddle, it's warmer. But then
when you're on the outside. The rim of the huddle
gets colder, so you know you've got to take turns
you get so they just kind of rotate in the
huddle all winter and they're just buzzing away and they
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got the food they get, right, they got the food,
so they and survive off dead. Yeah, so it's just
in our sense, the team approach of these bees are amazing.
And the honey bees, I should.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Say, yeah, they're good, good workers. Thosees just die, that's it,
except for the female.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Female.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Females are gonna for life. Female gonna go take a
nap for the winner. So if we kind of break
down the two big in the bee categories, seventy percent
of our bees live in nests below ground and then
thirty percent are going to live in cavities. And so
if we want to look at accommodating like those ground
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nesting bees, some things you could do, Like right now,
people are in their yard right working and you're going
to talk about those last minute tasks, but we could
leave some dry bear ground, especially if you have like
bear spots in your lawn, rather than trying to overseed
them back in September and stuff, you can leave them
because they'll come in and they'll that's where they're going
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to go make their nest the winter. Just those nice
little areas. If you plant some bunch grasses, that also
is a good spot for them to select us shelter.
And then even just leaving our perennial flowers like you
don't need to cut them back right now. So this
next I took this picture from one of the publications
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out there, so I got the photo credit. I know
it's really tough for our viewers to see, but if
you have a chance to go, look up nesting an
overwintering habitat for pollinators and other beneficial insects. Great publication
on that. But it talks about like in this photo
you see a cone flower, and so it talks about
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in the springtime how those bees come in and they
find those stems and they actually will go ahead and
lay their eggs in there, and then they all come
out throughout the year and then when we get to
the winter time and stuff, again, don't cut them back
till next spring so they can actually have that home.
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Pretty good stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, that's some people like to come because it's kind
of messy, right, it's uh. They also collect snow. It's
a nice thing if you'll leave it stand and and
it's good for wildlife and bees and wildlife and it
birds appreciate the seeds of the seed heads. So yeah,
(09:23):
I'm gonna leave, just gonna leave your one.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Let them just naturally go back.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And you're a natural minimal less minimalists, I mean lazy.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Maybe when it comes to the yardwork. I don't all
nature is good and yeah, I know that's right.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I don't feel the need to go in and don't
have to dominate nature. Let's enjoy it. Let it be.
I think there's a song called it.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
That's right. Let it be.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Huh hey like that.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
All right. So one other thing that you can do
is you can create a be house. These insect hotels
are really taken off basically the cavity bees will utilize
hollow stems or holes within wood. So some materials you
could use as like a wood box, get some pine cones,
loose bark, moss, hollow plant stems like Joe pieweed is
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a really good one, and then wire mesh. They talk
about being optional on there, just again to kind of
help keep out some of the prey that they have,
which Ironically, this last weekend, our four each group when
it made bee houses, so the kids really enjoyed creating
their own little bee house. I had to let ours dry,
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so probably next year it'll get put out in the
flower bed. But if you're gonna if you're gonna create
one location is gonna be key. So you kind of
want that around three to five feet off the ground
scared like a fence post or some other structure that
you can have, and make sure that it's facing the
south southeast to provide that warm for the bees throughout
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the day. And then just some tips. You know, you
could use something as simple as this picture, just getting
a block of wood and putting different sized holes in there.
If you go basically the bigger the hole it is,
the deeper should go into that wood block and then
make sure to use untreated wood and clean it out
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every few years. Gang bee houses at your place, No
you ever do that as a product.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I really interested in that. That's okay, bees around their
own in my life.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Let them be okay. Let's talk a little bit about
butterflies then, so again people need to understand the life
cycle of our butterflies. Egg caterpillar pupe and then we
go into the adult. So, how do butterflies, you know,
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over winter in North Dakota.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
It's easy.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
How do they overwinter?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Well, go what they fly to the airport and they
hop on a wing and they hope that the flight's
going south something.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Like that, and then they go just south.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
They get on the right plane and yeah they yeah. Actually,
well you're going to talk about the monarchs, are you.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Well, I don't have a specific slide, but let's talk
about the moment.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It's amazing what they do.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, it's amazing the monarchs.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
North Dakota Monarchs have one of the longest migration pass
of any.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Like sixteen miles right New Mexico.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And it's just it's just astounding that they hibernate in
the same villages as their grandparents do. They for some reason,
they have it in their DNA that they know exactly
what village to go down to. It it's just astounding.
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And the other thing is that they can fly like
about twenty miles a day. It was a little flimsy butterflies. Man. Yeah,
that's like it's impressive. And I that's it's an amazing thing.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I think it because I always talked to Like on
Earth Day, I talked to kids about pollinators, and we
talk about the monarchs, the fact that takes like, you know,
five to six generations in the spring to get up here.
So you say grandparents, but it's really like they're great
great great grandparents. Yeah, and then one generation to make
it back in the fall.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, something like yeah something. Yeah, I don't know why,
but yeah it's a but they're smart enough to leave
North Dakota and when it gets cold.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, that's like sol birds of Great Dakota, Arizona. Here
we come.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
But those are monarchs. I think a lot of butterflies
are just stupid, like bumblebees and the just freeze, right,
isn't that just a lot I'm just kidding, well frosted?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Well, it depends on our species of the butterfly. But
some of them are gonna overwinter as eggs, some of
them are partly grown, some are in that chrystalis stage.
And it's pretty rare that we have a species that
wing adult over winter. So what can we do for
those butterflies? One we talked about pesticides earlier. Don't spray
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your weeds and your lawn. We don't want to kill
off any of those, right, we want to create that habitat,
that inviting spot for them to spray my lawn at all.
I don't spray mine.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I would, Yes, I would. Uh. I think I think
one way to think about this, it's all compromise, it is,
that's right. So, uh, you know, got to be for
sure judicious about the use of pesticides. Maybe limit your
spray to maybe time to fall for example, you know,
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don't be spraying like you know, every month or something.
But and and also you can because the weeds you
think they're they're for they provide food for the pollinators.
Is at your angle their gross some flowers or something.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Too, you know, just have a desk dat area at night,
a butterfly garden. You can do that.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah. So yeah, it's all yeah, don't yeah, don't spray
weeds in the fall.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, leave those fallen leaves, like you don't have to
break all those up. Again, I disagree. Do we want
to be.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
One time you know, like like uh, mid to late September,
that's really the most effective time to kill weeds in
the lawn. So I wonder if most of the butterflies are
pretty much done by then.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But anyhow, it depends, I suppose depends on the year.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
In the warm again, gotta be uh judicious about there's
all types of and everybody there's you know what there thing.
There's no right or wrong here, you know, like if
you know, if my neighbor wants to have a field
of dandelions, that's okay, it's all right. I mean I'm
not there's no right or wrong. It's all right. And
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other people want to spray every month. You know, it's you,
it's your lawn. Yeah, And you know, I think the
butterfly can find a different place. They can go to
Kelsey's yard, you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Get out to the pasture. There's some good lfel.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
There you go, you know. So, Yeah, moderation is generally
a good rule about life.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
That's right, right, that's right. Again, you don't have to
cut back those perennials in the fall, and then also
just consider planting some of those spring and fall flowering
plants again, providing that food source throughout our whole growing season.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
They're all they're hungry every day, you know, during the
growing up seasons. So feed them some nice food, some
nectar filled flowers.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
There you go. So if you wanted to create a
butterfly house, a little bit different, but over all your
shape as you've seen this photo, can be unique. The
biggest difference is you want to create slots for the
entrance for the butterflies and then like fill it with
like bark or small tree limbs things again that's going
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to attract them, and then place in a spot that's
frequented by the butterflies. So that takes a little bit
on your end to like monitor and look. Some last advice,
natural is better, right if you want it. Yes, it's
more inviting along with naturally breaking down over time as well,
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ensure that your landscape is diversified. So you talked about
like just creating a spot, So maybe you designate a
really small spot out of your lawn to be a
bee lawn or a butterfly garden. Right, if you lie
these toms rolling his eyes, every.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Flowers can be good for us and for pollinators. Right,
we can all enjoy them.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
You know, I'm all for it, and nature is I'm
with you one hundred percent of that nature stuff. That's uh,
it's important to to appreciate nature for what it is. Right,
and I try to focus on dominating it. Yep. I
agree with you on that. Yeah, diversity in a landscape's great,
but I say spring flowers, summer flowers, fall flowers.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, different shrubs.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Different butterflies, good for bees, good for us.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
That's right. Wildflowers or again, if you have wildflowers or
even some of those perennials, if you make cuts out
variosing heights, that's going to help for them as well.
And then like I said, even consider adding some of
those pollinator plants into your lawn. So talk again, maybe
maybe when NDSU has that official publication, you can look at.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, you know it's mainly focused on the yeas clover clover, right,
you know, so less aggressive strains like Dutch clover, Dutch
white clover. So, and there's a lot of information out there,
like and that you mentioned that Xerxes source. That's a
great source for butterfly information. That is the that is
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the place top notch. Yeah, so that's a good place
to look for good quality scientific information. And a NDS
US on this too, because they have they have a
good sense, a good pulse on our communities that they're interested.
There's a psych do Chelsea they're really interested in follin eaters.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
As is the game, and fish too. They got a
lot of resources too on their website, so another good spot.
So hopefully I inspired some people to just say, let's
be a little more natural. Let's make sure we can,
even though our winter's cold, try to provide some protection
for those overwintering butterflies.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Let it be. I like that the best.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Let it be.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
That's a good thing nature.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Let it be, all right, So let's switch gears.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's right. I'm not going to talk about poloniers.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's all good. That's why I conpredict. I talked about
what you can do now yet to keep those pollinators happy.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I'm going to talk about what you can do now too. Okay,
what can we So I call my talk last dance? Okay, Kelsey,
growing season, it's coming to an end, and frost has
finally keen to Bismarck.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It has utterly destroyed our tomatoes and it's frozen are
roses and other flowers. But the last song is playing
for the season, and it's time for us to get busy. Okay, Okay,
So I'm going to talk about some things that we
can do here at the end of the year. In
our last dance of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I hear we broke a record too ye late latest
date right of.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Record for Bismark. Yeah, yeah, look at that. So what
does that mean mean? Whatever?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, what kind of last minute?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Probably will be the earliest spring ever next year, who knows,
that's just no all the earliest spring the earliest spring
for us. So you want to have the shortest winter possible.
I support that.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
That's the goal.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That is the goal, longest growing season. Okay, So what
things we can do right now? One thing has got
to clean up the mess from the party that you
had this show and we get in reports all across
the state. There was a lot with the rains we
had throughout much of the state, powdery mildew. If your
garden got full of disease plants, you need to get
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out the old rotertiller, right, Kelsey, right, destroy those soil microbes, right,
like that evil rotor tiller like we always kid about.
And uh, but you got to clean up the garden,
get rid of those diseased areas and with like underneath
the apple tree, it's very important that you rake up
any fallen apples. Because insects can overwinter and they may
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be in those apples and they can burrow down into
the soil, you know, right next to those bumble bees,
those private bubble bees. And also rake the leaves, you know,
especially if your tree had any disease on it. Let's
get that the fungus out, all right. Lilacs got a
lot of disease this year, so rake up if you
can underneath the lirex, get rid of that old disease material.
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Otherwise the disease will survive winter and infect the plant
next spring. So good sanitation is really helpful. Now, the
only thing we can do is you can start preparing
for next year's party in our soil test. And so
now there's a good time to get a soil test
because you'll get the results and then you can make
that modifications now or early next spring and get the
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ball rolling really good. So to take a swell test,
it's really easy. I just get a five gallon payale,
clean clean payale. And you want to get a good
representation of your garden. So if our garden here is
this golden box here, what I want to do is
I just don't want to take the sample from one
area of the garden. I want to take from random spots.
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Let's say I was taught in Wisconsin, make a w
when I make five a little shovelfuls go about four
to six inches deep, and put them in a bucket
and then mix them together and then submit a sample
about a cup or two. Now, the NBSU sel testing
lab closed, and but we have other sources. One of
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the University of Minnesota has a soil testing lab, and
there's a or there's a company called Advice that's very popular.
And here's just an example of an Advice Lab form,
and they'll provide you with the You can send your
soil to Advisors. Go to their website and download the form,
fill out the form, send in the soil sample, and
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they'll get you a report and tell you all the
things you need to do, whether it's your lawn or
your garden. Okay, so now's a good time to get
a soil test if you want to. For lawns, I
get this question off and now it's like, how should
I cut my lawn the last time? And it strongly
recommended I like cutting my lawn tall through the growing
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season because the tall turf has deeper roots and keeps
the soil cooler because the turf shades the soil. But
the last cut, it should not be tall. It should
be like I cut my lawn in about three and
a half three to three and a half inches, but
the last one I bring it down a little bit
to like two and a half inches, because a tall
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lawn is bad over winter. A tall lawn the grass
blades can mat down and trap FUNGI. Okay, we don't
want mold in inner lawn. There are things tall grass
leads to more vole problems, so we don't want that.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So your last cut, and I usually do mine around
this time of year, is cut a little bit at least,
I would say, cut a little bit lower. Don't go
nuts about it. Don't like cut it down to an inch.
You know that's going to cause stress the term, But
just a little bit lower than normal is the best
way to handle it. Are you with me on neck Kelsey.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yep, I made that probably a week or so ago already.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Okay, you're always ahead of me.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Well, you know, it was a nice day and I
thought it's probably gonna be the last cutting. Let's just
get it done.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Get it over with, put.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
That lawn more where I mean, I will say my law.
It still looks really nice though.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It really looks great with the moisture we've had. Yeah.
I try to get mine done around Halloween thick the
day in the fifties where by winter coat and rev
it up and get it done. Okay. And everything is
people doing right now is they're harvesting carrots. I have
a lot of people. Again, I work with a lot
of gardeners and we do carrot trials. And the time
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I gotta wait till I got a hard frost, because
my carrots will be sweeter if we you know, if
I let them in the ground. But once the if
what's ground, it's frozen, we got it, you know, gotta
get them out before the ground is frozen. But a
lot of people have been harvesting carrots, like the last
week in Bizmarck, and so I just got to talk
about how you can store the carrots. And the best
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way to do that is you should cut the well carefully,
dig them up using a spading fork there and then
cut the tops off, leave about a half inch quarter
inch half into the top, and then shake off the
excess soil and Some people wash their carrots before they
store them. Some people don't. Some people, you know, they
wait to wash until they take them out of storage.
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But it's either ways. Okay. But if you do wash
the carrots, you got to make sure they're perfectly air
dried before you store them, otherwise they're going to get diseases.
And carrots like to be stored under cool temps like
thirty five degrees, like you know, kind of the refrigerator,
and high humidities best for carrots. So there you go ahead.
That way you can have your carrots throughout much of
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the winter. Another thing you should do is you should
wrap your trees before winter comes. Okay, so here's an
apple tree and it's got a white tree guard. Now,
the reason why we do this we wrap a tree
is not to provide warmth to the tree. Instead, we
want to keep the trunk well. First of all, keep
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it protected from wildlife, and so that these tree guards
help with that. But also we want to keep the
trunk cool over winter. And so for example, here's like
a maple tree out of Bismarck Post Office. And maples
and lindens have thin bark. They're very susceptible to winter injury.
Same with fruit trees. And so what happened on this
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maple tree a long time ago is on this is
on the south or west side of the tree. On
a warm day in March, the sun beat down on
the bark and it got so warm on that southern
side of the western side of the tree that that
afternoon that the cells got activated. Okay, And when cells
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get cells, they get out of their dormancy and they
get activated. And so then what happened is the sun
goes down, it's bitter cold, and those active cells freeze,
and when water freezes, it bursts, and that causes this
bursting and it causes the crack you can see. It's
on almost every maple on the south to west side,
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and a lot of fruit trees they see this narrow
crack and that that occurs from winter injury. So to
prevent this trunk from warming up, that's another We have
a white trig guard to reflect that afternoon heat, or
you can use burr lap or craft paper, but we
want to reflect the afternoon winter sun to keep the
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trunk cool and so and then we take off the
wrapping when the danger of frost is over, Okay. So
put on that wrapping now and then take it off
in the springtime with me on that kelson bet no bet.
Another thing is that watering, you know Halloween.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
It's nice.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I did to give a nice Halloween treat the evergreens
before winter, because then we can fill up their needles
full of moisture so they can withstand the drying winter winds.
But I would say this year there's no drought here, right,
so this is maybe. I mean, if there's already moist
in the ground, there's no need to water.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But I just had that question the other day about
soldering their arborvitis.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I'm a very timely person. This is the time we
talk here. Yeah, arbrovidy arborvide. You know, with those flat needles,
they're very sensitive to winter drying. So yeah, the ground,
the ground is not frozen, and so in general I
like to give evergreens. I recommend giving evergreens a nice,
a nice Halloween treat for the ground freezes. But there's
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no drought here throughout, very little drought in North Quota period,
so it's less less required this year. You know, if
in general saws already moist, don't want it. You don't
want to.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Soil.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, wow, such good.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Advice on the right pathway they're thinking right.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
One r thing we can talk about is that was
a great kind of planting tulips. And there's all kinds
of beautiful tulips. There's the lighter shades, the bright shades
that it's a great tind of. You should plant tulips
as soon as possible so they have a chance to
root in before the for the ground gets frozen. When
you select any type of bull, tulips, daff of those,
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any ball, but I want the biggest bulb because that
big bulb is gonna have lots of food inside and
it's gonna have a flower bud inside. The bigger the bulb,
the better. And for tulips, if you look at the
fine print and get out you're reading glasses, you can
see how the diameter and you want something if possible,
twelve plus centimeters is best, but a lot of them
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are eleven to twelve. That's okay. But just keep in
mind the bigger the bull the better. It should be firm,
not soft. And then when you plant bulbs, plant them
in clumps to maximize the impact the effect of the colors.
Don't plant a straight line of pink tulips. Plant a
cluster of pink tulips and you'll have a greater effect.
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Bigger is the better.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
There are a lot of tulips in the stores right now.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yes there are, yeah, And pick a sunny sight. So
it has to be well drained. Don't put in a
little spot, and there's direction on how for tulips. Generally
it's about six inches apart and six to eight inches deep,
and then you put a little bull fertilizer on top,
or after you cover them up, you can sprinkle some
bulb fertilizer in the swell and then water man so
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they get active and then we'll moult them in November.
We don't want to melt them now. We want because
multi ax is an insulate insulator, and so we want
the ground well, want the tups get act, you know,
to root in and then wait till the ground freezes
and then put the mulching down. If you put the
multi down now also you can attract rodents. And I
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know how much you like rodents. So let's we wait
until November, like mid November in most years, when the
ground's frozen, and then we can put the mulch on.
But if you want to just plant us in pots,
it's very easy to plant grow tuips in pots indoors.
This is called forcing tups. You're forcing them to bloom
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under unnatural conditions. And like here's a pot and here
with the tuips. You plant them closer here, almost like
one tuip apart in the pot. And then you're gonna
you're not gonna plant them six to eight inches deep.
They're gonna be very shallow, and so here you can
see how he spaced them out in the pot. And
then I'm just gonna cover them up just barely so
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you can almost see that the top of the tulip
bulb okay, And then they want then you water them
in to activate them, and then you put them in
like a cool sit like above. A refrigerator's perfect, like
forty degrees is best. And they have to have a
winter rizing treatment. And so they're gonna they're gonna want
about fourteen weeks of winter. And then actually for my
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like an unheated garage works great for this for me,
and then they'll naturally actually started coming up after about
fourteen weeks, they'll start waking up for you. And then
didn't you bring them indoors, and yah in about a
month later or three weeks later, you have beautiful flowers
in the pot.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
So anybody can grow tuips, whether or not you have
a garden outside or anything. Just have a refrigerator or
there you go. It is an unheated garage. My wife
doesn't like me, know you put tuips in their refrigerator.
Tulips are for food. But when I was a bachelor,
I had lots of tulips, and I was a crazy boy. Okay,
and now okay, well talked about things that we should
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be doing in our last dance. But just like sometimes
the clock runs out, like on Fenderrellas here with their
slipper here, bad time. So some things I think you
really should be cautious about doing. I one that's fertilizing
the lawn. You know, I see people like I hear
these commercials on the radio about oh now it's a
great time, or I see these TV commercials from Scott's
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or you know these national commercials. Oh feed your lawn, feed,
don't know lawn. You should have done this in a
month ago, that's what you should have done. So if
you're fertilized now, I mean, it's not a sin to
do this, but you're putting you could. We want our
lawn to slow down and focus on root development and
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go dormant, prepare for winter. Don't feed it now. It
wants to go to bed, So if you feed it now,
there's a risk you're gonna wake it up and it
may have some succulent growth and that could be winter injured.
So really probably I can't recommend fertilizing along this time
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of year. It's just too late. Just deal with it, right,
wait till Memorial Day? How about seeding on? Of course,
now I learned about bear spots. I gotta leave my
bear spots in my lawn for those bump pregnant bubble
peace to grow on the ground. But if you want,
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it's really too late to put grass seed down now,
so because the grass seed will Germany, but it won't
get a stablished before that evil winter comes. So don't
seed your lawn now. It's too late. But if you
want to, you can't wait till like Thanks scaring time. Yeah,
and then that's called dormance seeding. You can find out
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about that, and then you scatter this the lawn seed
on the soil just raking a little bit, and then
you just hope and pray it won't Germany because it's
so cold outside. But you just hope that it doesn't
wash out or the birds don't eat all that seed.
So some people like dormant seating. I'm not a big
fan of it, especially like on a slope or something.
It's gonna wash off for sure, but it's one option.
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Some people use dormant seating, and because then the advantage
is the sea will naturally germinate when the soil warms
up in the spring. You don't have to be munkeying
around with the soil in the spring when it's kind
of wet. Okay, So, but don't seed your lawn now today,
late October, do not do it. Okay, it's too late.
It's too late, baby, it's too late. That's another song.
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Here's another thing about evergreens. Like we talked about it's
good to give your evergreens a drink, but I'm not
very comfortable about planting evergreens this time year. And I
always see like these spades out there and these guys
putting these giant evergreens out there. You know, like when
you when you plant the tree from the nursery to
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your yard. It lost over ninety percent of its feeding
roots at least. And so now you plant the tree
right now at this time year, right before the ground freezes,
and those needles are there, you know, they're exposed the
winter wind. I'm just not I'm not a big fan
of planting ever I really don't see any advantage to
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planting evergreens this time year except I'm like, I'm not
going to give me like ninety nine percent off or
something like a great sale. But spring is a better
time to play, right you know, we're heading into a
stressful time for evergreens. Okay, malting, we talked about it.
Now is not the time to malt because we want
the ground to freeze and then the mult will help
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to keep the ground frozen and prevent the freezing and
drawing the moving of the soil, so for like your
strawberries and stuff. So let's just wait until again around
Thanksgiving time, and that's a good time to put the
mouth once the grounds frozen. And the last thing is
that I'm not a fan of pruning right now. You know,
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if I want the trees and shrugs to be totally dormant,
to minimize stress on the plant and so, and I
don't want the wounds to be open all winter till
those drying winds, so I like waiting till like March
or April to do any pruning. So I don't recommend
pruning this time, yere. Okay, So those are things we
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can do and really things we shouldn't be doing this time, yere.
So you know it is time. It's it's time, the
end of the season, time for the last dance. But again,
just a little bit of dancing out in the garden
right now. A little bit of work that we do
right now can give us a very beautiful spring time.
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So that's that's my last dance.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I kind of want to go. Now see what's available
for tulip balls. Oh yeah, very it fired me.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
You're your other thing, if you're if. Another thing that
I think is a fun thing to do, especially for kids,
is next to the tulips, you'll often see paper white
and narcissus. They don't need a cooling period, so you
don't have to wait fourteen weeks of cooling. You just
plant them. And I get it's really cool. Okay, here's
here's what you do. Let's see how much that guy
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ok about it. So you got the paper like again,
bigger the better at the bight, and also get tang
like sometimes you feel way too late. The bulbs are
getting soft at the store. You know, we want firm,
healthy bulbs. So with the paper whites, first of all,
get a glass bowl so you can see the roots. Yeah,
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that's kind of fun. So just go to the dollar
store or was it the dollar twenty five cents or now,
so go to the dollar twenty five cents store and
you can get these beautiful glass faces for a dollar
twenty five or whatever. And then you don't plant them
in you know, black or top soil. Plant them in rocks. Okay,
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put them rocks, and there's even decorative rocks, but just
any rocks. And then then you plant the bulb same thing,
just so the top of the bulb is right near
the surface, the very tip. And then what happened? Then
you just water and then like the wall and what
you just you put the water down on the paper
whites just so the water is barely touching the bottom
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of the boat. Don't don't fill the bowl because it's
a bowl. Now it doesn't advantage holes. And so just
put the water so it just barely touching the bulb,
so the bulb doesn't rop. But then you'll see the
roots started popping out before you know it, and you
can watch those roots grow and the plants will grow
and then man, it's like a one month project, instant gratification.
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So what's the only problem.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
With paper whites, Well, they're only then they're done.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
They stink that they smelly all that's the only drawback
of them. But they're not really for that fragrant, but
they're still so fun and then yeah, then you got
to throw them out. Same with any bullb be force indoors.
It had a hard life and it just it's not
gonna blow them again. So or if you don't, just
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forget my idea, just you can plant them in a
pot that's well drained, put them in top. So but
the nice thing about paper white is they don't need
a cooling period, and so that's kind of it's kind
of exciting and or if we want, we got we
can talk about future episodes. But Amarillis is another one.
It doesn't need a cooling perode. And you see the
Amoryals bulbs now at the guard centers, the bigger the bulb,
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the better. Always keep that in mind. And I'm sure
we'll talk about how to grow amarills at a future
episode of the quotea growing But that's another fun one
for kids or the young heart. And uh, because they
they grow so fast and it's so magnificent.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
It's a good way, you know, even though it's getting colder,
do something into or right, that's right, get a.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
House plant, right, that's neurthing, so you can grow houseplants
to that. Lots of episodes. I'm a silk plant guy myself,
I knows, and but there's lots of things we can
still do.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Now, that's right.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
What else going on?
Speaker 1 (42:26):
That's my advice?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Be feeling today?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
You know, I didn't go check. I bet they're a
little cold, is right.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
And the bum will be probably got froze out like
the wasp. I don't see wasp anymore. They've same thing
as a bum will be. They just the queen makes
a male and a female and they have fun and
females go and hide and everybody else dies in the nest.
That's right, that's nature.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Just the flies, like we talked about the box elder bugs.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Box elder bugs exactly, but it's okay. It's a transition
time and nature. Right now, right, the days are getting
shorter and it's getting colder, and.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
I think, not this, it's not this weekend, but the
following weekend November two. Those old clocks go bad.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Is that right? That's a good one because you get
an extra hour sleep, it is.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
But then it's just like even now. You know, the
other night I was outside and I was like, oh
my gosh, girls, you gotta get in, you gotta get bath.
It's like bedtime. They're going and I was paying no attention.
They're like, can we play for a while. It's like, no,
it's bedtime.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
What did the clock six o'clock?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
It was some clarity. I thought we were pushing nine
o'clock already.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, and then you wake up in the morning like dark,
driving the kids school and it's dark. I'll start a man,
that's way it is.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
That's right, that's right. All right. Well, we just want
to tell everybody thank you for joining us on today's
episode of Dacode of Growing, And of course sounds like
we got some topic ideas true ones, and so we
hope that you.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
All stimulut discussion coming up. Let's say arguments and discussion.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
That sounds good. We hope that you'll join us on
our future episodes.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
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Welcome to Dakota Growing. I'm Kelsey Deckert, your horticulture agent
here in Burley County, joined in the radio Access studio
by my co host Tom Cobb NDSU Extension Horticultures. How
are we doing.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Everything's good, Kelsey.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
End of October. Nice chilly morning.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
This frost on the lawn this morning. Yeah, it's a
nice time. Nice chili, you know, football season. Put another
blanket on the bed and kind of slowing down outside
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
But the days are short, theys.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Are definitely getting shorter.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And did you hear we're gonna get a terrible winter.
It sounds like it's going to be cold and snowy.
I think it's true. I really hope they're wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I did hear though, that there's like a prediction of
a Colorado lowe coming up next week for Halloween.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But what does that mean.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
It means potential of snow. Everything's a potential, though, right.
So do you enjoy this time of year? You like
the cool Chris mornings? Yeah? Yeah I do too. I
like it. And then I like when we get up
to about sixty degrees too. Still that feels good, Yeah,
it feels really good.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It is nice and sonny, and you see the maples
are really radiant now.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
The color, Yeah, very nice plastic out there.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
So it's a good time.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It is it is. Do you got your garden put
away for the year.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Well, we're gonna be talking about that.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
We're gonna talk about I just thought i'd ask you
about your garden.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I actually I got a lot of work to do still,
so that's why I've worked about that snow.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
But time's a ticken we'll see, we'll get it.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
That should we just.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Get started dive in. All right, Well today I'm gonna
talk to you guys about protecting our pollinators through the winter.
Do you knowice a lot of pollinators at your place?
I would hope with your garden.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Uh. Actually, you know if one of the things I
found this year is how how zinias are really attracting
a lot of butterflies this year? It's a lot of
people across the state of send me that report. But actually,
there are a lot of bugs in my house, I'll
tell you that, man, A lot of cluster flies. And
(02:38):
I don't know how.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I just have to say, lord, I still have like
I have some of those stripey winged flies. Yeah, and
then just like the really big window wines. Yeah. So
then it's like every day they're up like on the
windows or up on the ceiling, and then I come
back the next day it's like graveyard.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Isn't that weird?
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
They're really slow and they just die. Yeah. Well huh right, Okay,
wellators too.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
We're gonna talk a little bit about that. So just
to highlight some of the pollinators of our state. Mainly
we have the bees, the butterflies, and the moths, and
so under the bees, you see, we have a lot
of different bee like different families that we see within
our state. In same way with the bee or the
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butterflies and moths as well. So we got quite a
few pollinators in our state if we're focusing just on
the bees, butterflies, and moths. So right now like big
things that you know, I feel like there's a big
movement for pollinators, right we talk about pollinator gardens and
everything like that, bee lawns yep. So I know NDUS
(03:55):
is just coming out with a new publication on that.
So really what so what people are concerned about as
we see some of these pollinators make like endangered species
lists and stuff is main concerns is pesticides, different pathogens,
whether that's like a parasite that they get or viral,
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and then our habitat loss. So you know, pathogens and stuff,
probably not a lot we can do on our end,
but we can do stuff about the pesticides and the habitat,
which is good. So just to highlight, I'm gonna start
off about bees today, and so just two of the
most common bees that we see within our state, the
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bumblebee and the honey bee, and just kind of giving
everybody that background a little bit of their life cycle.
So a bumblebee will have like an annual nest and
the queen is going to select a site and then
she starts a colony. The offspring are going to be
workers who take over that colony's responsibilities, and then in
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late sun will start seeing the colony produce males and females,
and after they mate, the fertilized females will go underground
to hibernate for the winter.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So what happens to those hard working bees, They just
get frozen, frozen, they.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Don't make it. They live a year less than a year.
And then our honey bee, so in North Dakota. They
really struggle to overwinter unless they happen. Well, we always
talk about why our winters are so good in the
aspect of minnip Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's right about bees. We don't want to kill the bees.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
We don't know. So these honey bees, most of them
in our state, actually get sent to California.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
The ones in the counties, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
They go, which I've noticed in the last month. Of
course I live out of town, so I see the
people who get hives for the year and everything like that,
and so they've really been collecting them.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
I think inside the hive they have a way to
stay warm. They don't do you can talk about that.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I wasn't, but do you have some information?
Speaker 2 (06:13):
They take turns, oh, like you got the queen in
the center, and then the workers they flutter their wings
to keep warmth going, and then they take turns like
okay now because they're a team, right, these are teams, right,
social animals, So they take turns like okay, uh, you
got to go to the outside now, outside of our group,
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Like they're in a big huddle. So like if you're
in the inside of the huddle, it's warmer. But then
when you're on the outside. The rim of the huddle
gets colder, so you know you've got to take turns
you get so they just kind of rotate in the
huddle all winter and they're just buzzing away and they
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got the food they get, right, they got the food,
so they and survive off dead. Yeah, so it's just
in our sense, the team approach of these bees are amazing.
And the honey bees, I should.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Say, yeah, they're good, good workers. Thosees just die, that's it,
except for the female.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Female.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Females are gonna for life. Female gonna go take a
nap for the winner. So if we kind of break
down the two big in the bee categories, seventy percent
of our bees live in nests below ground and then
thirty percent are going to live in cavities. And so
if we want to look at accommodating like those ground
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nesting bees, some things you could do, Like right now,
people are in their yard right working and you're going
to talk about those last minute tasks, but we could
leave some dry bear ground, especially if you have like
bear spots in your lawn, rather than trying to overseed
them back in September and stuff, you can leave them
because they'll come in and they'll that's where they're going
(07:59):
to go make their nest the winter. Just those nice
little areas. If you plant some bunch grasses, that also
is a good spot for them to select us shelter.
And then even just leaving our perennial flowers like you
don't need to cut them back right now. So this
next I took this picture from one of the publications
(08:19):
out there, so I got the photo credit. I know
it's really tough for our viewers to see, but if
you have a chance to go, look up nesting an
overwintering habitat for pollinators and other beneficial insects. Great publication
on that. But it talks about like in this photo
you see a cone flower, and so it talks about
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in the springtime how those bees come in and they
find those stems and they actually will go ahead and
lay their eggs in there, and then they all come
out throughout the year and then when we get to
the winter time and stuff, again, don't cut them back
till next spring so they can actually have that home.
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Pretty good stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, that's some people like to come because it's kind
of messy, right, it's uh. They also collect snow. It's
a nice thing if you'll leave it stand and and
it's good for wildlife and bees and wildlife and it
birds appreciate the seeds of the seed heads. So yeah,
(09:23):
I'm gonna leave, just gonna leave your one.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Let them just naturally go back.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And you're a natural minimal less minimalists, I mean lazy.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Maybe when it comes to the yardwork. I don't all
nature is good and yeah, I know that's right.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I don't feel the need to go in and don't
have to dominate nature. Let's enjoy it. Let it be.
I think there's a song called it.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
That's right. Let it be.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Huh hey like that.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
All right. So one other thing that you can do
is you can create a be house. These insect hotels
are really taken off basically the cavity bees will utilize
hollow stems or holes within wood. So some materials you
could use as like a wood box, get some pine cones,
loose bark, moss, hollow plant stems like Joe pieweed is
(10:19):
a really good one, and then wire mesh. They talk
about being optional on there, just again to kind of
help keep out some of the prey that they have,
which Ironically, this last weekend, our four each group when
it made bee houses, so the kids really enjoyed creating
their own little bee house. I had to let ours dry,
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so probably next year it'll get put out in the
flower bed. But if you're gonna if you're gonna create
one location is gonna be key. So you kind of
want that around three to five feet off the ground
scared like a fence post or some other structure that
you can have, and make sure that it's facing the
south southeast to provide that warm for the bees throughout
(11:01):
the day. And then just some tips. You know, you
could use something as simple as this picture, just getting
a block of wood and putting different sized holes in there.
If you go basically the bigger the hole it is,
the deeper should go into that wood block and then
make sure to use untreated wood and clean it out
(11:22):
every few years. Gang bee houses at your place, No
you ever do that as a product.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I really interested in that. That's okay, bees around their
own in my life.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Let them be okay. Let's talk a little bit about
butterflies then, so again people need to understand the life
cycle of our butterflies. Egg caterpillar pupe and then we
go into the adult. So, how do butterflies, you know,
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over winter in North Dakota.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
It's easy.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
How do they overwinter?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Well, go what they fly to the airport and they
hop on a wing and they hope that the flight's
going south something.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Like that, and then they go just south.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
They get on the right plane and yeah they yeah. Actually,
well you're going to talk about the monarchs, are you.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Well, I don't have a specific slide, but let's talk
about the moment.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It's amazing what they do.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, it's amazing the monarchs.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
North Dakota Monarchs have one of the longest migration pass
of any.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Like sixteen miles right New Mexico.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
And it's just it's just astounding that they hibernate in
the same villages as their grandparents do. They for some reason,
they have it in their DNA that they know exactly
what village to go down to. It it's just astounding.
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And the other thing is that they can fly like
about twenty miles a day. It was a little flimsy butterflies. Man. Yeah,
that's like it's impressive. And I that's it's an amazing thing.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
I think it because I always talked to Like on
Earth Day, I talked to kids about pollinators, and we
talk about the monarchs, the fact that takes like, you know,
five to six generations in the spring to get up here.
So you say grandparents, but it's really like they're great
great great grandparents. Yeah, and then one generation to make
it back in the fall.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, something like yeah something. Yeah, I don't know why,
but yeah it's a but they're smart enough to leave
North Dakota and when it gets cold.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, that's like sol birds of Great Dakota, Arizona. Here
we come.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
But those are monarchs. I think a lot of butterflies
are just stupid, like bumblebees and the just freeze, right,
isn't that just a lot I'm just kidding, well frosted?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Well, it depends on our species of the butterfly. But
some of them are gonna overwinter as eggs, some of
them are partly grown, some are in that chrystalis stage.
And it's pretty rare that we have a species that
wing adult over winter. So what can we do for
those butterflies? One we talked about pesticides earlier. Don't spray
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your weeds and your lawn. We don't want to kill
off any of those, right, we want to create that habitat,
that inviting spot for them to spray my lawn at all.
I don't spray mine.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I would, Yes, I would. Uh. I think I think
one way to think about this, it's all compromise, it is,
that's right. So, uh, you know, got to be for
sure judicious about the use of pesticides. Maybe limit your
spray to maybe time to fall for example, you know,
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don't be spraying like you know, every month or something.
But and and also you can because the weeds you
think they're they're for they provide food for the pollinators.
Is at your angle their gross some flowers or something.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Too, you know, just have a desk dat area at night,
a butterfly garden. You can do that.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah. So yeah, it's all yeah, don't yeah, don't spray
weeds in the fall.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, leave those fallen leaves, like you don't have to
break all those up. Again, I disagree. Do we want
to be.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
One time you know, like like uh, mid to late September,
that's really the most effective time to kill weeds in
the lawn. So I wonder if most of the butterflies are
pretty much done by then.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But anyhow, it depends, I suppose depends on the year.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
In the warm again, gotta be uh judicious about there's
all types of and everybody there's you know what there thing.
There's no right or wrong here, you know, like if
you know, if my neighbor wants to have a field
of dandelions, that's okay, it's all right. I mean I'm
not there's no right or wrong. It's all right. And
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other people want to spray every month. You know, it's you,
it's your lawn. Yeah, And you know, I think the
butterfly can find a different place. They can go to
Kelsey's yard, you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Get out to the pasture. There's some good lfel.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
There you go, you know. So, Yeah, moderation is generally
a good rule about life.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
That's right, right, that's right. Again, you don't have to
cut back those perennials in the fall, and then also
just consider planting some of those spring and fall flowering
plants again, providing that food source throughout our whole growing season.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
They're all they're hungry every day, you know, during the
growing up seasons. So feed them some nice food, some
nectar filled flowers.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
There you go. So if you wanted to create a
butterfly house, a little bit different, but over all your
shape as you've seen this photo, can be unique. The
biggest difference is you want to create slots for the
entrance for the butterflies and then like fill it with
like bark or small tree limbs things again that's going
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to attract them, and then place in a spot that's
frequented by the butterflies. So that takes a little bit
on your end to like monitor and look. Some last advice,
natural is better, right if you want it. Yes, it's
more inviting along with naturally breaking down over time as well,
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ensure that your landscape is diversified. So you talked about
like just creating a spot, So maybe you designate a
really small spot out of your lawn to be a
bee lawn or a butterfly garden. Right, if you lie
these toms rolling his eyes, every.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Flowers can be good for us and for pollinators. Right,
we can all enjoy them.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
You know, I'm all for it, and nature is I'm
with you one hundred percent of that nature stuff. That's uh,
it's important to to appreciate nature for what it is. Right,
and I try to focus on dominating it. Yep. I
agree with you on that. Yeah, diversity in a landscape's great,
but I say spring flowers, summer flowers, fall flowers.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Yeah, different shrubs.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Different butterflies, good for bees, good for us.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
That's right. Wildflowers or again, if you have wildflowers or
even some of those perennials, if you make cuts out
variosing heights, that's going to help for them as well.
And then like I said, even consider adding some of
those pollinator plants into your lawn. So talk again, maybe
maybe when NDSU has that official publication, you can look at.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well, you know it's mainly focused on the yeas clover clover, right,
you know, so less aggressive strains like Dutch clover, Dutch
white clover. So, and there's a lot of information out there,
like and that you mentioned that Xerxes source. That's a
great source for butterfly information. That is the that is
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the place top notch. Yeah, so that's a good place
to look for good quality scientific information. And a NDS
US on this too, because they have they have a
good sense, a good pulse on our communities that they're interested.
There's a psych do Chelsea they're really interested in follin eaters.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
As is the game, and fish too. They got a
lot of resources too on their website, so another good spot.
So hopefully I inspired some people to just say, let's
be a little more natural. Let's make sure we can,
even though our winter's cold, try to provide some protection
for those overwintering butterflies.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Let it be. I like that the best.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Let it be.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
That's a good thing nature.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Let it be, all right, So let's switch gears.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
That's right. I'm not going to talk about poloniers.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's all good. That's why I conpredict. I talked about
what you can do now yet to keep those pollinators happy.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
I'm going to talk about what you can do now too. Okay,
what can we So I call my talk last dance? Okay, Kelsey,
growing season, it's coming to an end, and frost has
finally keen to Bismarck.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It has utterly destroyed our tomatoes and it's frozen are
roses and other flowers. But the last song is playing
for the season, and it's time for us to get busy. Okay, Okay,
So I'm going to talk about some things that we
can do here at the end of the year. In
our last dance of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I hear we broke a record too ye late latest
date right of.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Record for Bismark. Yeah, yeah, look at that. So what
does that mean mean? Whatever?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, what kind of last minute?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Probably will be the earliest spring ever next year, who knows,
that's just no all the earliest spring the earliest spring
for us. So you want to have the shortest winter possible.
I support that.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
That's the goal.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That is the goal, longest growing season. Okay, So what
things we can do right now? One thing has got
to clean up the mess from the party that you
had this show and we get in reports all across
the state. There was a lot with the rains we
had throughout much of the state, powdery mildew. If your
garden got full of disease plants, you need to get
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out the old rotertiller, right, Kelsey, right, destroy those soil microbes, right,
like that evil rotor tiller like we always kid about.
And uh, but you got to clean up the garden,
get rid of those diseased areas and with like underneath
the apple tree, it's very important that you rake up
any fallen apples. Because insects can overwinter and they may
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be in those apples and they can burrow down into
the soil, you know, right next to those bumble bees,
those private bubble bees. And also rake the leaves, you know,
especially if your tree had any disease on it. Let's
get that the fungus out, all right. Lilacs got a
lot of disease this year, so rake up if you
can underneath the lirex, get rid of that old disease material.
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Otherwise the disease will survive winter and infect the plant
next spring. So good sanitation is really helpful. Now, the
only thing we can do is you can start preparing
for next year's party in our soil test. And so
now there's a good time to get a soil test
because you'll get the results and then you can make
that modifications now or early next spring and get the
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ball rolling really good. So to take a swell test,
it's really easy. I just get a five gallon payale,
clean clean payale. And you want to get a good
representation of your garden. So if our garden here is
this golden box here, what I want to do is
I just don't want to take the sample from one
area of the garden. I want to take from random spots.
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Let's say I was taught in Wisconsin, make a w
when I make five a little shovelfuls go about four
to six inches deep, and put them in a bucket
and then mix them together and then submit a sample
about a cup or two. Now, the NBSU sel testing
lab closed, and but we have other sources. One of
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the University of Minnesota has a soil testing lab, and
there's a or there's a company called Advice that's very popular.
And here's just an example of an Advice Lab form,
and they'll provide you with the You can send your
soil to Advisors. Go to their website and download the form,
fill out the form, send in the soil sample, and
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they'll get you a report and tell you all the
things you need to do, whether it's your lawn or
your garden. Okay, so now's a good time to get
a soil test if you want to. For lawns, I
get this question off and now it's like, how should
I cut my lawn the last time? And it strongly
recommended I like cutting my lawn tall through the growing
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season because the tall turf has deeper roots and keeps
the soil cooler because the turf shades the soil. But
the last cut, it should not be tall. It should
be like I cut my lawn in about three and
a half three to three and a half inches, but
the last one I bring it down a little bit
to like two and a half inches, because a tall
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lawn is bad over winter. A tall lawn the grass
blades can mat down and trap FUNGI. Okay, we don't
want mold in inner lawn. There are things tall grass
leads to more vole problems, so we don't want that.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
So your last cut, and I usually do mine around
this time of year, is cut a little bit at least,
I would say, cut a little bit lower. Don't go
nuts about it. Don't like cut it down to an inch.
You know that's going to cause stress the term, But
just a little bit lower than normal is the best
way to handle it. Are you with me on neck Kelsey.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yep, I made that probably a week or so ago already.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Okay, you're always ahead of me.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Well, you know, it was a nice day and I
thought it's probably gonna be the last cutting. Let's just
get it done.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Get it over with, put.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
That lawn more where I mean, I will say my law.
It still looks really nice though.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
It really looks great with the moisture we've had. Yeah.
I try to get mine done around Halloween thick the
day in the fifties where by winter coat and rev
it up and get it done. Okay. And everything is
people doing right now is they're harvesting carrots. I have
a lot of people. Again, I work with a lot
of gardeners and we do carrot trials. And the time
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I gotta wait till I got a hard frost, because
my carrots will be sweeter if we you know, if
I let them in the ground. But once the if
what's ground, it's frozen, we got it, you know, gotta
get them out before the ground is frozen. But a
lot of people have been harvesting carrots, like the last
week in Bizmarck, and so I just got to talk
about how you can store the carrots. And the best
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way to do that is you should cut the well carefully,
dig them up using a spading fork there and then
cut the tops off, leave about a half inch quarter
inch half into the top, and then shake off the
excess soil and Some people wash their carrots before they
store them. Some people don't. Some people, you know, they
wait to wash until they take them out of storage.
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But it's either ways. Okay. But if you do wash
the carrots, you got to make sure they're perfectly air
dried before you store them, otherwise they're going to get diseases.
And carrots like to be stored under cool temps like
thirty five degrees, like you know, kind of the refrigerator,
and high humidities best for carrots. So there you go ahead.
That way you can have your carrots throughout much of
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the winter. Another thing you should do is you should
wrap your trees before winter comes. Okay, so here's an
apple tree and it's got a white tree guard. Now,
the reason why we do this we wrap a tree
is not to provide warmth to the tree. Instead, we
want to keep the trunk well. First of all, keep
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it protected from wildlife, and so that these tree guards
help with that. But also we want to keep the
trunk cool over winter. And so for example, here's like
a maple tree out of Bismarck Post Office. And maples
and lindens have thin bark. They're very susceptible to winter injury.
Same with fruit trees. And so what happened on this
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maple tree a long time ago is on this is
on the south or west side of the tree. On
a warm day in March, the sun beat down on
the bark and it got so warm on that southern
side of the western side of the tree that that
afternoon that the cells got activated. Okay, And when cells
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get cells, they get out of their dormancy and they
get activated. And so then what happened is the sun
goes down, it's bitter cold, and those active cells freeze,
and when water freezes, it bursts, and that causes this
bursting and it causes the crack you can see. It's
on almost every maple on the south to west side,
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and a lot of fruit trees they see this narrow
crack and that that occurs from winter injury. So to
prevent this trunk from warming up, that's another We have
a white trig guard to reflect that afternoon heat, or
you can use burr lap or craft paper, but we
want to reflect the afternoon winter sun to keep the
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trunk cool and so and then we take off the
wrapping when the danger of frost is over, Okay. So
put on that wrapping now and then take it off
in the springtime with me on that kelson bet no bet.
Another thing is that watering, you know Halloween.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
It's nice.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
I did to give a nice Halloween treat the evergreens
before winter, because then we can fill up their needles
full of moisture so they can withstand the drying winter winds.
But I would say this year there's no drought here, right,
so this is maybe. I mean, if there's already moist
in the ground, there's no need to water.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But I just had that question the other day about
soldering their arborvitis.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I'm a very timely person. This is the time we
talk here. Yeah, arbrovidy arborvide. You know, with those flat needles,
they're very sensitive to winter drying. So yeah, the ground,
the ground is not frozen, and so in general I
like to give evergreens. I recommend giving evergreens a nice,
a nice Halloween treat for the ground freezes. But there's
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no drought here throughout, very little drought in North Quota period,
so it's less less required this year. You know, if
in general saws already moist, don't want it. You don't
want to.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Soil.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, wow, such good.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Advice on the right pathway they're thinking right.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
One r thing we can talk about is that was
a great kind of planting tulips. And there's all kinds
of beautiful tulips. There's the lighter shades, the bright shades
that it's a great tind of. You should plant tulips
as soon as possible so they have a chance to
root in before the for the ground gets frozen. When
you select any type of bull, tulips, daff of those,
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any ball, but I want the biggest bulb because that
big bulb is gonna have lots of food inside and
it's gonna have a flower bud inside. The bigger the bulb,
the better. And for tulips, if you look at the
fine print and get out you're reading glasses, you can
see how the diameter and you want something if possible,
twelve plus centimeters is best, but a lot of them
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are eleven to twelve. That's okay. But just keep in
mind the bigger the bull the better. It should be firm,
not soft. And then when you plant bulbs, plant them
in clumps to maximize the impact the effect of the colors.
Don't plant a straight line of pink tulips. Plant a
cluster of pink tulips and you'll have a greater effect.
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Bigger is the better.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
There are a lot of tulips in the stores right now.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yes there are, yeah, And pick a sunny sight. So
it has to be well drained. Don't put in a
little spot, and there's direction on how for tulips. Generally
it's about six inches apart and six to eight inches deep,
and then you put a little bull fertilizer on top,
or after you cover them up, you can sprinkle some
bulb fertilizer in the swell and then water man so
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they get active and then we'll moult them in November.
We don't want to melt them now. We want because
multi ax is an insulate insulator, and so we want
the ground well, want the tups get act, you know,
to root in and then wait till the ground freezes
and then put the mulching down. If you put the
multi down now also you can attract rodents. And I
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know how much you like rodents. So let's we wait
until November, like mid November in most years, when the
ground's frozen, and then we can put the mulch on.
But if you want to just plant us in pots,
it's very easy to plant grow tuips in pots indoors.
This is called forcing tups. You're forcing them to bloom
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under unnatural conditions. And like here's a pot and here
with the tuips. You plant them closer here, almost like
one tuip apart in the pot. And then you're gonna
you're not gonna plant them six to eight inches deep.
They're gonna be very shallow, and so here you can
see how he spaced them out in the pot. And
then I'm just gonna cover them up just barely so
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you can almost see that the top of the tulip
bulb okay, And then they want then you water them
in to activate them, and then you put them in
like a cool sit like above. A refrigerator's perfect, like
forty degrees is best. And they have to have a
winter rizing treatment. And so they're gonna they're gonna want
about fourteen weeks of winter. And then actually for my
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like an unheated garage works great for this for me,
and then they'll naturally actually started coming up after about
fourteen weeks, they'll start waking up for you. And then
didn't you bring them indoors, and yah in about a
month later or three weeks later, you have beautiful flowers
in the pot.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
So anybody can grow tuips, whether or not you have
a garden outside or anything. Just have a refrigerator or
there you go. It is an unheated garage. My wife
doesn't like me, know you put tuips in their refrigerator.
Tulips are for food. But when I was a bachelor,
I had lots of tulips, and I was a crazy boy. Okay,
and now okay, well talked about things that we should
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be doing in our last dance. But just like sometimes
the clock runs out, like on Fenderrellas here with their
slipper here, bad time. So some things I think you
really should be cautious about doing. I one that's fertilizing
the lawn. You know, I see people like I hear
these commercials on the radio about oh now it's a
great time, or I see these TV commercials from Scott's
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or you know these national commercials. Oh feed your lawn, feed,
don't know lawn. You should have done this in a
month ago, that's what you should have done. So if
you're fertilized now, I mean, it's not a sin to
do this, but you're putting you could. We want our
lawn to slow down and focus on root development and
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go dormant, prepare for winter. Don't feed it now. It
wants to go to bed, So if you feed it now,
there's a risk you're gonna wake it up and it
may have some succulent growth and that could be winter injured.
So really probably I can't recommend fertilizing along this time
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of year. It's just too late. Just deal with it, right,
wait till Memorial Day? How about seeding on? Of course,
now I learned about bear spots. I gotta leave my
bear spots in my lawn for those bump pregnant bubble
peace to grow on the ground. But if you want,
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it's really too late to put grass seed down now,
so because the grass seed will Germany, but it won't
get a stablished before that evil winter comes. So don't
seed your lawn now. It's too late. But if you
want to, you can't wait till like Thanks scaring time. Yeah,
and then that's called dormance seeding. You can find out
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about that, and then you scatter this the lawn seed
on the soil just raking a little bit, and then
you just hope and pray it won't Germany because it's
so cold outside. But you just hope that it doesn't
wash out or the birds don't eat all that seed.
So some people like dormant seating. I'm not a big
fan of it, especially like on a slope or something.
It's gonna wash off for sure, but it's one option.
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Some people use dormant seating, and because then the advantage
is the sea will naturally germinate when the soil warms
up in the spring. You don't have to be munkeying
around with the soil in the spring when it's kind
of wet. Okay, So, but don't seed your lawn now today,
late October, do not do it. Okay, it's too late.
It's too late, baby, it's too late. That's another song.
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Here's another thing about evergreens. Like we talked about it's
good to give your evergreens a drink, but I'm not
very comfortable about planting evergreens this time year. And I
always see like these spades out there and these guys
putting these giant evergreens out there. You know, like when
you when you plant the tree from the nursery to
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your yard. It lost over ninety percent of its feeding
roots at least. And so now you plant the tree
right now at this time year, right before the ground freezes,
and those needles are there, you know, they're exposed the
winter wind. I'm just not I'm not a big fan
of planting ever I really don't see any advantage to
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planting evergreens this time year except I'm like, I'm not
going to give me like ninety nine percent off or
something like a great sale. But spring is a better
time to play, right you know, we're heading into a
stressful time for evergreens. Okay, malting, we talked about it.
Now is not the time to malt because we want
the ground to freeze and then the mult will help
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to keep the ground frozen and prevent the freezing and
drawing the moving of the soil, so for like your
strawberries and stuff. So let's just wait until again around
Thanksgiving time, and that's a good time to put the
mouth once the grounds frozen. And the last thing is
that I'm not a fan of pruning right now. You know,
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if I want the trees and shrugs to be totally dormant,
to minimize stress on the plant and so, and I
don't want the wounds to be open all winter till
those drying winds, so I like waiting till like March
or April to do any pruning. So I don't recommend
pruning this time, yere. Okay, So those are things we
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can do and really things we shouldn't be doing this time, yere.
So you know it is time. It's it's time, the
end of the season, time for the last dance. But again,
just a little bit of dancing out in the garden
right now. A little bit of work that we do
right now can give us a very beautiful spring time.
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So that's that's my last dance.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
I kind of want to go. Now see what's available
for tulip balls. Oh yeah, very it fired me.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
You're your other thing, if you're if. Another thing that
I think is a fun thing to do, especially for kids,
is next to the tulips, you'll often see paper white
and narcissus. They don't need a cooling period, so you
don't have to wait fourteen weeks of cooling. You just
plant them. And I get it's really cool. Okay, here's
here's what you do. Let's see how much that guy
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ok about it. So you got the paper like again,
bigger the better at the bight, and also get tang
like sometimes you feel way too late. The bulbs are
getting soft at the store. You know, we want firm,
healthy bulbs. So with the paper whites, first of all,
get a glass bowl so you can see the roots. Yeah,
(39:44):
that's kind of fun. So just go to the dollar
store or was it the dollar twenty five cents or now,
so go to the dollar twenty five cents store and
you can get these beautiful glass faces for a dollar
twenty five or whatever. And then you don't plant them
in you know, black or top soil. Plant them in rocks. Okay,
(40:05):
put them rocks, and there's even decorative rocks, but just
any rocks. And then then you plant the bulb same thing,
just so the top of the bulb is right near
the surface, the very tip. And then what happened? Then
you just water and then like the wall and what
you just you put the water down on the paper
whites just so the water is barely touching the bottom
(40:28):
of the boat. Don't don't fill the bowl because it's
a bowl. Now it doesn't advantage holes. And so just
put the water so it just barely touching the bulb,
so the bulb doesn't rop. But then you'll see the
roots started popping out before you know it, and you
can watch those roots grow and the plants will grow
and then man, it's like a one month project, instant gratification.
(40:51):
So what's the only problem.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
With paper whites, Well, they're only then they're done.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
They stink that they smelly all that's the only drawback
of them. But they're not really for that fragrant, but
they're still so fun and then yeah, then you got
to throw them out. Same with any bullb be force indoors.
It had a hard life and it just it's not
gonna blow them again. So or if you don't, just
(41:17):
forget my idea, just you can plant them in a
pot that's well drained, put them in top. So but
the nice thing about paper white is they don't need
a cooling period, and so that's kind of it's kind
of exciting and or if we want, we got we
can talk about future episodes. But Amarillis is another one.
It doesn't need a cooling perode. And you see the
Amoryals bulbs now at the guard centers, the bigger the bulb,
(41:39):
the better. Always keep that in mind. And I'm sure
we'll talk about how to grow amarills at a future
episode of the quotea growing But that's another fun one
for kids or the young heart. And uh, because they
they grow so fast and it's so magnificent.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
It's a good way, you know, even though it's getting colder,
do something into or right, that's right, get a.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
House plant, right, that's neurthing, so you can grow houseplants
to that. Lots of episodes. I'm a silk plant guy myself,
I knows, and but there's lots of things we can
still do.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Now, that's right.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
What else going on?
Speaker 1 (42:26):
That's my advice?
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Be feeling today?
Speaker 1 (42:28):
You know, I didn't go check. I bet they're a
little cold, is right.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
And the bum will be probably got froze out like
the wasp. I don't see wasp anymore. They've same thing
as a bum will be. They just the queen makes
a male and a female and they have fun and
females go and hide and everybody else dies in the nest.
That's right, that's nature.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Just the flies, like we talked about the box elder bugs.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Box elder bugs exactly, but it's okay. It's a transition
time and nature. Right now, right, the days are getting
shorter and it's getting colder, and.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
I think, not this, it's not this weekend, but the
following weekend November two. Those old clocks go bad.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Is that right? That's a good one because you get
an extra hour sleep, it is.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
But then it's just like even now. You know, the
other night I was outside and I was like, oh
my gosh, girls, you gotta get in, you gotta get bath.
It's like bedtime. They're going and I was paying no attention.
They're like, can we play for a while. It's like, no,
it's bedtime.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
What did the clock six o'clock?
Speaker 1 (43:34):
It was some clarity. I thought we were pushing nine
o'clock already.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, and then you wake up in the morning like dark,
driving the kids school and it's dark. I'll start a man,
that's way it is.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
That's right, that's right. All right. Well, we just want
to tell everybody thank you for joining us on today's
episode of Dacode of Growing, And of course sounds like
we got some topic ideas true ones, and so we
hope that you.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
All stimulut discussion coming up. Let's say arguments and discussion.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
That sounds good. We hope that you'll join us on
our future episodes.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
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