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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I think not sure should be starting sometimes soon here.
I've been having an internet issue, so I apologize if
they continue doing this, but hopefully we there we go.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
All right, all right, all right, all right.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Welcome to Mental Health is Wealth, the podcast where we
explore the connection between your mind and your money.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm your host, Doc Dillinger, here to give you the
help to achieve.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Mental wellness and financial freedom. In this episode, we will
have an expert come in talk about as our psychedelic
therapy process. Also, we're gonna touch on a little bit
about investing and self care always and you're gonna hear
from our experts and see what they got to say.
Without further ado, We're going to bring her and we

(01:02):
have Melyssa Scandals.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
She is a m A, LM HC, LPC, R MC, and.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I have no idea what those abbreviations are, so hopefully
you'll let us know. So welcome, Welcome, welcome, Thank you
for joining us. Please let us know a little bit
more about yourself in the background.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Awesome, thank you. I'm so glad to be here and
to be talking about this and spreading the message. I'm
a licensed mental health counselor. I'm licensed in two states
and licensed in Indiana and Colorado. I'm also a Reiki
master teacher, and so that's kind of like my credentials.
I have twenty years of experience with complex trauma and

(01:43):
specifically working with personality disorders and keeping people out of
the hospital. So again the chronic mental health. And that's
again kind of how I stumbled upon psychedelics and the
psychedelic movement and the renaissance of the future of mental health.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Wow. Wow, Okay, so you're you have extensive training. What
what what goes into.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
The training of learning this information and what what's the
background type?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Like I did some college stuff in psychology. Is it
somewhat similar?

Speaker 3 (02:25):
So so yeah, like my background some again like a
licensed therapist. So I have like my masters in psychology,
and I also have a specialty. I'm also intensively trained
in DBT dialectical behavioral therapy. It's a specific type of therapy.
And I was trained at Lerian So I went to
an all at Lerian school of it's like a type,

(02:47):
it's a theoretical orientation, and so from there I also
am trained in like different types of modalities like included
guided meditation, hypnosis, an E m d R, which is
eye movement desensitization reprocessing. So yeah, I have kind of
again like a wide range of background because I again

(03:10):
I worked with chronic mental health people who have borderline
personality disorder, bipolar things at a lot of therapists don't
necessarily want to treat because they require a lot of
attention and their high risk clients. So again like uh,
suicidal and self harming behaviors, things like that. Again, a

(03:33):
lot of trauma, you know, and so so I have
again a lot of background in trauma therapy.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Okay, okay, does do you does that energy rub off
to you a lot through your work or do you
find it easy to do your help and kind of
go on with.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
With your life.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I think you're invested in your clients. I'm invested in
the people I work with. I care about the people
I work with, and I think over the years it's
it's even more so, like especially to like the psychedelic
piece of working with clients in a different way, you know,
where again like how we're taught in school and some

(04:23):
of the things that we do, like really again like
these the certain boundaries that we keep are obviously safe
and safeguard the client in certain ways, but the people
I work with, again, like because I'm trained in dialectical
behavioral therapy, it's we're on call a lot of the time.
So like if someone's having struggling and they're suicidal, they're
calling us twenty four to seven or again within our

(04:45):
limits and boundaries. And so again, like through some of
my trainings, I've really allowed myself to safeguard myself in
different ways and have truly just worked on this relationship,
developing a healthy relationship with the client and modeling that.
And so that has really again like allowed me to
hold space for myself and what I need and what

(05:06):
my family needs, but also again be able to show
up differently for my clients, you know, the people that
I'm working with. So I think it's different too.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I'm from a small town, yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
And we interact sometimes like you know, I've had my
kids been you know, like let's say in a sport
with somebody who's like who've who I've seen, right, like
their parents, like the one in the coach or you know,
again different like like at the grocery store or whatever.
Like we run into people all of the time. And
so again it's truly this different type of like relationship

(05:44):
and how we want to show up and I don't
want to ignore people like you know, and things like that,
and so there is like this different level of just validation, right,
like the way of just validating somebody like you know,
without saying much, right.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Right, wow, Okay, So that's I can almost imagine what
that experience might be like. But it's a small knit
kind of a small town knit community where everybody knows everybody.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
So one person might have wind or something.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
But of course, with being license and things like that,
there are a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
That you can't share and express.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
So seeing them out in public you kind of have
to just sort of without saying, well, of course, treat
them as regular people, which I mean is kind of
you know, in my head, I would be tripping out, like,
oh my god, the stuff I know about you. But

(06:48):
I guess that's the part of professionalism we all have
to work.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
At, right, Yeah, Absolutely, we all have things. And just
because I'm a therapist and I like a bunch of
things behind my name doesn't mean I don't have life
happen like life happens to me. I just might have
more tools and resources to be able to again regain
my footing. But like life happens, and life definitely happens
to me, and every day I work at myself and

(07:14):
just and again, like, you don't need to seek therapy
out or healing out when things are going bad, like
you can seek it out when things are going well,
right like as a way of constantly working on herself
and growing and evolving, you know, And I will continue
to evolve the rest of my life, you know. And
I want and I want that for myself, you know, right.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, amazing, amazing. Well, let's try to get into some
information for the people here mental health as well.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I am not a therapist or licensed or going through
any type of professional therapy help of any sort. So
my job is to just provide as much information as
I can to help someone who might be looking for
what we're presenting for them. So I'm going to rely
on your help through a lot of this. Particularly, I'm

(08:08):
going to touch on some definitions, and I'm probably gonna
mispronounce some of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Starting with the first word.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
I wish I knew how to say his word, but
I feel like I should know, but I definitely don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
So I'm gonnaiving my best try. Here we go. Uh,
sillo cybin, I don't I know? I did I know?
You got it? Did I say that halfway? Correct? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:34):
You said it right. Psilocybin h. So, pilocybin is magic mushrooms,
you know, or mushrooms, right, and so it's it's just
the technical term for this the active ingredient that allows
you to have the experience you know.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Oh okay, So for the to translate into the other
worlds for the flower users, that might be what they
call the THC plant in the other plants that some
might partake in.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Okay, okay, all right, we learned something today. I love it.
This is what we're here for.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Learn something, all right. Uh, let's see the next m
d m A I had something to do with PTSD
Assistant therapy has some significant improvements in PTSD symptoms. You know,
we have some information for the people for MDMA.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah. So mdm A is like also recreational known as
like ecstasy, you know, or molly maybe things like that,
but again like in in therapeutic terms again, like we
call it mdm A, and it's used for PTSD, uh,
children of alcoholics, eating disorders, people who really have a

(09:58):
hard time with their sense of self, very self loathing,
don't have a don't love themselves. Right, And because this
medicine is a heart opener, it immediately opens up your
heart and allows you to access different thoughts and feelings
that you have in a whole different way, a new
perspective of loving yourself and having a relationship with yourself.

(10:20):
It's again, it's used for really specific types of you know, healing.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Okay, wow, Okay, all right, let's see here alcohol. I
don't know why they threw this in here. Okay, is
this part of that alcohol use disorder?

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Early trial suggest that MDA can reduce alcohol dependence and cravings. Okay,
so for those who might be on addictions or battling
alcoholism and things that.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Okay, oh, got you all right? The next turn they have.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Here, oh, I say, nobody ever comes in being like
usually they don't come in like I want to stat
my alcohol addiction. Usually they don't even you know, like
maybe sometimes that's not even discussed how much they're using.
But like through the course of somebody using psilocybin on
their own and things like that, what happens is is
that eventually they stop drinking. You know, it's something that
just really just occurs that they just don't necessarily want

(11:18):
to drink anymore. You know, it's like an evolutionary process.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Oh wow, Okay, that's not the study for sure. All right,
next time they have here ketamine. I don't know if
I think I said that correct. Maybe maybe by not
treatment resistant depression. Ketamine has been found to provide rapid
relief from severe depression, often within hours or days of administration.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
You work with ketamine, I'm sure I do.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Ketamine is the pharmaceutical version of the psychedelic. It's classified
as a psychedelic, but it's not. But that is what
insurance currently is willing to pay for. And if you
go into a doctor and you have treatment resistant depression,
you can go ahead and again like sometimes get received
catamine therapy, but that doesn't mean that you're getting therapy

(12:14):
with the ketamine. That's like a huge thing going on
right now. It's kind of like the opiate epidemic. Like
we're we're not prepping clients for ketamine assisted therapy, Like
we're not giving them any tools or resources or letting
them know how to use the medicine. They're just going
in for their infusion, or they're going in for their

(12:34):
nasal spray and they're alone in a room, alone, and
then basically forty minutes later someone's taking their blood pressure.
Forty minutes after that, they're done, and then they get
sent home. And there's no integration, there's no therapy, there's
no prep work involved, and so really people are just
cycling through a lot of their own thoughts and so
not to say that it can't be effective, but there

(12:55):
are so much there are so many other ways to
make it more effective, you know, especially again, like if
you're paying that amount of money, like I would want
it to be, you know, I would want to put
in some of the extra time around it to really
again have better resources so you can get more more
from it.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Like it needs to come with an instruction manual type
I can get.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
That, yes, not just going to the doctor's office and
you know and receiving the medicine. Because like you're filling
out things like called a PHQ nine, it's a depression scale.
And so as you're filling out a depression scale like
are you suicidal? Are you depressed? Or this, and that
those are the things that you're thinking about prior to
going into an experience, and so then what's on the

(13:44):
top of your mind right is depression and anxiety and
maybe your suicidal thoughts. And then you're having this experience
like you're having a nasal spray or an infusion, and
then you're going to what we call a k hole.
You just cycle through these negative thought patterns and no
one's there to help pull you out, no one's there
to guide you through it, and so you're just sitting
in it. And so what happens with kutamine too is

(14:06):
we only have like a forty eight hour window of integration.
So that means again, like our neuropathways, they don't create
new neuropathways. It basically sparks these new these like this
new energy that's in our brain that we could have
new new paths created. But if nobody's there helping you
and working with you, or you're not doing your own work,
you don't know how to use the medicine, then really

(14:27):
truly you're just going back into the same thought patterns
and those sometimes get even more ingrained, and so they
could be a little bit too more challenging to work
with at times. Once somebody reaches out and is like, hey,
I've been doing this for three years, can you help me?
You know, and then it's like, okay, let's let's figure
this out. Let's talk about you know.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, wow, oh wow, it gets it gets deep. I
can I can see how the how the process is
very needed, you know, through the I hope when it
comes to first seeking help, to beginning to the process
and post help. Also let me see here, So for

(15:12):
a person who is, like you mentioned the part of
ketamine that they'll a person will be on might be
taking ketamine and they get to a point to where
they don't even know why, but they want to stop
alcohol or stop their abuse of alcohol, stuff like that.
So for to kind of dumb it down for a person,

(15:36):
if they're just seeking help in a way and they
they may cross your path, how do you introduce the
idea of psychedelic therapy to a person who's wondering how
it might benefit them.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
So I come from again, like a trauma background, and
so not all the people I see are using are
around a psychedelic path, right, Like they're coming to me
because they've done traditional therapy, traditional talk therapy, and maybe
they're not feeling the benefit or they're going through a
spiritual awakening, a coming home to themselves and understanding that
there is more than just like they're daily things that

(16:13):
they're going through and they need help and guidance around
again like, oh my god, I'm not my thoughts. I
thought I was my thoughts for you know, thirty years,
but now I realize I'm not. What do I do
with that? What does this mean?

Speaker 4 (16:27):
You know?

Speaker 3 (16:27):
And and again they're coming to have a greater understanding
of higher consciousness. And so again this is this is
truly what it's about, is higher consciousness and helping people
understand this different vibrational level of you know, like I
don't I no longer diagnose people, like because I don't
want to give somebody a disorder. So like depression and anxiety. Again,

(16:51):
like in our culture is is you have like a
disorder that is a billable code right for insurance. We're
we're not in a medical model, We're in an insurance model, right.
And so that's again like telling somebody they have depression,
then they tell their body that, well, I'm depressed. I
can't do this. I'm depressed. Well, depression is a state
of consciousness, It's a state of awareness, and when I'm depressed,

(17:13):
I'm going to collect everything from that vibrational level that
again that validates the invalid everything. Again, I like like
I'm seeing through a lens of trauma, and everything coming
in is just depressed. Right, Like if I tell you
to notice all the blue cars, You're going to go
and notice all the blue cars. And so your mind
is telling you you're depressed. Collect all the things that
are validating that depressed state. And so again, you know,

(17:37):
like until we allow ourselves to again evolve and grow
through that, those are things that are attached to our body,
you know, not just like our body, but our senses.
And so we go into automatic default mode, which is fight, flight, freezer, fawn,
and we will just run on like these patterns of behavior,
these patterns of thoughts, these patterns of emotions, because that

(18:00):
is what's been programmed into us for the most part, right,
And so this is really about like an unlearning of
things and unlearning of how our body has made all
of these memories. And it's about again like us being
back in charge. Like I don't want my body to
be in charge because my body was again like programmed
in trauma, you know. And so so they're coming because

(18:22):
what's they what's what they've been doing isn't working right.
The thoughts that they're having no longer makes sense, but
they don't know how to get rid of them. They're
evolving past these things, but again they're still stuck reliving
past trauma, right like past experiences, and they're just reliving
it out and they don't know how to get through it,
you know. And that's usually when people seek me out.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Oh wow, okay, okay, so it kind of gets you
out of the uh chasing your tail.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
My thing really gets a loop. Make make a left
at Albuquerque. I get it. Okay.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
So we have some listed benefits and risk. We'll first
talk about a couple of the benefits that I see here.
Effective for mental health conditions. Rapid results. Unlike conventional therapies
that take months or years, psychedelic insisted treatments may yield

(19:22):
profound insights and improvements in just a few sections. Accessions
long lasting effects. Many individuals report long lasting benefits from
a single psychedelic experience and promotes introspections. Psychedelics can help
individuals access deep seated emotions, memories, and insights, promoting self reflection,

(19:45):
and transformative healing experience. Does that sound true to you
since you're an expert in this build?

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Absolutely? So, you know, Again, like being a trauma therapist,
I would see people four times a week, keeping them
out of the hospital, right like, because they were chronic
and they needed that support. And I went from seeing
people four times a week to seeing people five to
eight times ever, right so, like I had people I
was seeing for years to a very different model. And again,

(20:13):
not all of the people I see are on a
psychedelic path. But like our insurance system, we are not
resourcing people with tools and resources that make sense to
them because that is not what our system is about.
Our system is about, right like this continuation of the
pills income. I'm not the healer. I teach people how

(20:34):
to be their own healer. You know, you best, you know,
but you go to a doctor who's telling you about you,
and that isn't what I do. Again, I give the
power back to the person and I help them listen
to themselves, and they get it and it makes sense
to them, and then they don't need to come back
to me, because again I'm not their healer. They're their healer,

(20:58):
and they again learn that trust that and then are
so much more resourced in it, confident, are able to
handle things that when they when they feel disregulated or
when they feel triggered, they're able to handle it on themselves.
They don't need they don't need me because they have
themselves right. And that's the ultimate goal is is helping
resource people and making them feel confident and safe and

(21:21):
equipped to deal with with whatever is coming their way,
you know. And this is what this is doing again,
like with or without psychedelics. The way that we set
up this type of therapy, the way that we're again
teaching people, you know, these skills and it's it's magical.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
It's magical, not just leading a horse to water. You
actually taught it how to drink.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, I get I love it. I love it. Yeah,
all right.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
So on the opposite side, we do have a couple
of listed risk here. We have a psychological distress. Some
individuals may experience anxiety, paranoia, and distressing hallucinations during or
after a session.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Potential for misuse.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
The risk of misuse or recreational use can lead to
negative psychological and physical effects, legal and regulatory issues, and
need for professional supervisions. Psychedelic therapy should be conducted in
the control, supervised environment with trained professionals to ensure safety
and effectiveness.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Would you agree with those listed as risk.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
For Yeah, so, I mean there's risks with anything, right,
Like even with taking like the white pill that we're
given and oftentimes if we take a pill, we start
to have a side effect, we're given another pill, right,
and then another pill, and sometimes people end up on
sixteen pills. So there's always a risk with altering any
sort of right, any sort of consciousness. The difference is
when it's guided, like you have someone with you to

(22:49):
sit with you through. Again some of the discomfort that
happens because not everyone's experience is like this magical like
unicorns and all of this stuff. That'd be great, but
sometimes people do have to experience things that are disregulating,
and again, not they come out of it absolutely okay
and better and understand like what the purpose was. But

(23:10):
sometimes it is dysregulating because it's a release. It's a
purging of stored emotions, stored thoughts, stored feelings, and you're
releasing all of those walking through them. But you're you're
very again prepping people for this experience. You're not just
giving someone a med and telling them to go home
and do this by themselves. This is again like very intentional,

(23:32):
very thought out, and you're working with the person hand
in hand on all of these things.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Right.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
You're talking about like potentially again like experiences that might
be discomforting and what that might be like, and you're
prepping around those so people don't have a bad experience,
you know. That's the whole goal is to again to
teach people how to use the medicine so they can
be using this at home and doing it themselves, you know,
like they're the healer, you know, and so you don't

(24:02):
want people to have an adverse response like that is
not at all the goal, you.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Know, absolutely, Oh man, I can appreciate that absolutely. So
could you quickly kind of go through what the process
might look like you have touched on a lot of
it particularly, but just from kind of a beginning to

(24:29):
when you get them to where you say they're at
home doing their own work and to take they come
to you, they say, okay, well this therapy hasn't been
working or I want to try something that helps me
do this, And how do you begin and get them
to home and a loan.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Yeah, So we start off with like, you know, an assessment, right,
Like we're gathering information medical history, medications, past trauma, you know,
again pertinent and information right for an assessment. And then
we're doing prep sessions. We're prepping for the experience. So
we're setting specific intentions. You know, we are targeting certain

(25:11):
emotions and feelings that are discomforting. If we're letting things go,
we're also bringing things in. So like, not only are
we talking about things we want to release, but then
it's like, if you're creating all of that space, what
do you want to bring in? And so then we're
talking about the things that we want again to welcome
in all of the positive things, right, and what are

(25:31):
those and what would that look like and how would
that feel in your body? For me, I do guided meditation,
and so oftentimes I'm walking people through, whether it's breathwork
or guided meditation in these things, right, Like, we're practicing
all of these skills prior to any sort of medicine session, right,
And so we're prepping. I do ninety minute sessions, So

(25:53):
it's also a little different than managed care. I'm with
people ninety minutes, and it really allows the time to
flow people to really again like express themselves for them
to feel resourced, and then we go, you know, then
after several prep sessions, we set up a medicine session,
which is very much about set and setting right, like
you got to have the right the right atmosphere, the

(26:16):
right you know, the right space. Got to be again
like you know, clear minded, and they have to be
feeling comfortable and safe. And we have to safeguard to like,
you know, what is their support system, like do they
have a support system? You know, because again for some
people like this isn't an option, you know, And so

(26:38):
we really again like safeguard all of these things and
make sure that this is an appropriate you know choice
for them, and and again we work with them, teaching
them again how to use this medicine. And and so
the day of medicine, we're with them from the beginning
to the end, from the time they start to when
they finish. And and then integration starts immediately after. And

(27:02):
so usually I'm calling people within that twenty four hour
right within that next day, I'm checking on them too,
like on the evening, but then the next day, like
we're having a conversation and then two days later, again
like another conversation we're having. Usually it's like an hour
long phone call. If they live close to me, then
we're doing it in person. And then integration is again

(27:26):
like thereafter like once a week, you know, for however
long somebody needs. I also offer like a free integration
group every Tuesday from like nine to ten thirty Central,
I have free Integration I people from all around the
world come. We've been running for like over a year
and a half or very well established group and people
from all walks of life. And so whether they're on

(27:48):
a psychedelic path or not, this is truly about higher consciousness.
So people are just really there talking about this higher
conscious place. And then we do again like the integration
is integrating the experience, and so I transcribe. I write
down everything that occurs the day of medicine, and so
I'm writing down exactly what said. If I say something,
I'm writing it down, and at the end I provide

(28:11):
them with my documentation of everything. And so that is
what we review in integration, and it will then key
up as like a portal what they experienced, what they remember,
and then again that's what we're talking about from this
other from again from this higher consciousness perspective. Because they've
done so much releasing, they're able to gain insight on

(28:32):
their own behaviors, their own thoughts, their own belief system,
and how those things have trapped them in different ways
or not allowed them to grow or move out of them.
And so they're truly again the ones doing all of
the work. We're just what we call holding space for people,
you know, we're just safeguarding and holding space in a protective, loving,

(28:55):
you know, safe way.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Wow, wow, wow, amazing this this is big work. I
didn't know how how amazing this was oh before I
stepped into this world.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Okay, oh, I won't just know one.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
This is definitely off my list of questions you personally,
how often would you say that you actually learned something
from one of your patients?

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Every day?

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Every day, I'm learning things about right, Like it's a
constant work about ourselves, like that we're all mirrors of
each other, and so you know, like so if I
feel something that that is uncomfortable for me or triggers
me that those are parts of my unhealed parts. There
are opportunities for me to grow, opportunities for me to
go inside opportunities for me to learn because they're just

(29:49):
asking for healing, and so it's a constant growth, you know. Uh,
And it's it's again, it's this beautiful thing that that
that it wasn't offered. And again, all of the trainings
that I have had, they've been great and wonderful and
they've served a purpose. But truly I'm a much better
therapist now, you know, in so many different ways.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
You know, Wow, I love it. I love that. I
love that.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
And you were touching on so many points that I'm
going to jump into with our physical session there. I
heard a lot of key words that you mentioned during
the process there.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
So we're going to go on too that for a second.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
So, but before we do that, talk to me a
little bit about after the therapy used to Like you said,
you have you went from where you meet people so
many times to where you only have to meet them
four or five times period.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
How How how does it look to a.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Person after they've worked with you and remove kind of
either to another level or different therapies.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Yeah, so like they they might like check in with
me and let me know how they're doing, or if
they have their own experience, they might message and be like,
oh my god, like this is something that happened. I
want to share this with you. And then you know,
we talk or we text or we call or whatever.
But it's again, it's very different. And so because they
feel resource, they feel safe, they feel in control, like

(31:19):
they're leading their own again acknowledgment and healing, you know,
to this higher level of consciousness. And so it is,
it is very different. A lot of them again don't
feel like the need. They don't again like I'm not
their healer, they're their healer, and so so they feel
like they can really manage stuff on their own. Where again,

(31:41):
like when I worked in the old system, you know,
like people were coming to me for the resourcing to
feel good, to make sure that you know, things were
going okay. And so again it's just such a different
it's just such a different way where they feel like
again that they have everything that they need and are
able to take care of of emotions that come up,

(32:02):
hard situations, difficult things. And and then maybe again it's
just to check in or like a text to say, hey,
thinking of you, or I had a good experience it
reminded me of something. And again it evolves into something
very different.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Wow. Wow, that's good to know.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
That's good to know a continued relationship of all times.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
So also part of mental health is wealth. We do
discuss physical health and well being. So this is these
are some informational pieces that might tie into how a
person might take care of their bodies during the.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Psychedelic therapy processes. So I'll get your your thought on
these mind body practices.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Incorporating practices like meditation, breath work, and mindfulness can bridge
the gap between physical sensations and mental states. I heard
you mentioned that a few times through your work and
the process of therapy. How important do you feel?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
That is.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Super important? Like you know, so we talk about like
high blood pressure right or you know, like inflammation in
our body, pain management, anxiety. You know, like the breath
is something we always have on us. Everybody everybody always
has their breath on them all the time, you know,
and that controls so much if we're breathing in fast

(33:41):
and heavy versus if we're breathing in slow right, and
so it does change the way that our whole body responds.
And again it's always on us. Mindfulness. We also know
with all the studies like people don't want to believe it.
But like practicing mindfulness and meditation lowers our blood pressure,
are lesterol, like our stress levels, anxiety, all of those things, right,

(34:04):
and so so again like there's and you don't have
to go to anybody to receive it. You can again
just do these things yourself, you know. But again, our
culture is just like so involved in all these other
things that it's kind of like, oh, that's the WU stuff,
but maybe the Louis stuff is help book.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yeah, I have to agree with that. I studied the.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Not that there's a martial arts part and there's just
a breathing part of the power of Chi. I did
a lot with the breathing side of chi. And also
you mentioned something else, hypnosis.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
I've done.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Some work with self hypnosis and writing scripts to help
improve and they absolutely Actually the reason why I tried
hypnosis was because I could not hear.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
My alarm in the morning. So I wrote scripts that.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
When I heard my alarm, I will wake up immediately, alert,
ready to go.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
And I promise you it works.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
You could trick your mind into some powerful things if
you do it the right way. Is tricky, but you
can do it. Yeah, Next they have nature's connection. Spending
time and nature can be grounding, and restorative activities like hiking, gardening,
and simply being outdoors can help integrate in physical, the

(35:35):
physical and emotional insights. I've heard that term before grounding
is that part of your process normally.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Absolutely So, there's a movie it's called Earthing. It's about
again like just us taking our feet, our shoes off
and putting our feet on the ground. Like we're an
electrical circuit where energy which is vibration, frequency and polarity,
and so just like the circuit that runs through your house,
it's grounded into the ground, right. So if you're if

(36:04):
you think about like your outlet, it has the two
little like things prongs, and then one at the bottom
which is grounded to the earth into the ground, right.
And so in the seventies they put rubber soles on
the bottom of all of our feets, which has caused inflammation,
back pain, things like that because it cuts off our
electrical circuit. We're the only animal that doesn't think we're

(36:27):
an animal, right, like we're humanized and colonized, but like
truly again, like we're animals and so we need that
electrical current it's like static electricity. So again, if you're
having trouble sleeping, you have inflammation, you have back pain.
What they found is if you take your feet and
just put it on the earth and the grass, immediately,

(36:48):
it changes your brain patterns within five seconds. You know.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, because it feels icky.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
They don't want to be out. They don't want to
put their feet in the grass, right, you know. And
again if we think about it, like uh, little kids,
you know, like but I don't know what kids there's like,
you know, eight hours we have them go to school
all day. But you know, like kids are supposed to
be outside and they're supposed to be playing and putting
their feet in the grass and touching the ground, and

(37:19):
you know it does it helps ground them, right, It
helps take off this extra energy and usually calms them down,
makes them feel better, you know, slows their thoughts down.
Things like that.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Wow, man, I'm gonna have to start charging people to
tune into this show. They get too much information. This
is amazing. That's like, wow, you never you never know
these things. You never know.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
That's that's what's crazy, all right.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Once they have next here creative expression, Okay, that's part.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
From physical health. Creative expression.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Engaging and creative activities such as art, music, or dance
can help process and express the emotions and insights from
psychedelic experience. Do you have Is that part of your
suggestions for any of your patients or have you heard
that from any of the work I have?

Speaker 3 (38:13):
And so so, absolutely so. When we're creative, we think
with a different side of our brain. We access like
a different part of our brain that again doesn't normally
get access. And so whether this is music, a second language,
you know, drawing, painting, that sort of stuff, being crafty, again,

(38:35):
it allows us a different access to our brain, which
again like as kids we are so connected and we
were able to be creative, and as we get older
it's really taught out of us. And so so again
like this allows us to get back into those systems
that are so healing and help us evolve. H.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
Hello, all right, sorry about that, Thank you professional.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
You're grounding these darned iPhones.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
I should have never swear.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, you know what you've spoken into existence, that's what happened.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Oh they took them away again. M yep, he's got
the spinning wheel.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Gotta let it all right. I think I'm back. Now
you're going to go cross our fingers with that. Okay,
yeah you did mention this Also support systems, building a
supportive community or working with a therapist who understands a
psychedelic integration can provide guidance and encouragement.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
So importance of support systems in your opinion.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
So, you know, we healed in community ancestrally, right, like
we've always been in community, and we're so far apart,
we live in dwellings away from each other. There's so
much hate in the world. We're so separated from each other.
But truly we need each other to heal and to
grow and to evolve. And so it is very important
that we have a support system, whether that's friends or family,

(41:10):
our children if they're old enough or again, or we
make a support system right with different community members of
other people who are who are wanting higher consciousness or
who are doing integration work or things like that. But
it is very important to have other people as a

(41:30):
support because as we grow and evolve, sometimes the people
around us we realize, like that's part of some of
my trauma, that's part of some of my triggers. Those
those people no longer again, I don't vibrate the same
as them anymore. I don't have the things in common
that we used to do, like I'm growing out of them.
And so there's a lot of talk before we even

(41:52):
do again, like before psychedelics even comes into play, of
what is your environment, like, you know, how are they
going to grow with you? What would that look like
for them? You know, And if people don't have a
support system, then like you know, it's using this very
cautiously because again, like they might not have You're going
to wake people up in a way into this conscious

(42:13):
space and then they won't have any support around it.
And we see that sometimes with ketamine, where you know,
like people are going in and receiving more information, deeper
understanding of like their own traumas, and then they're being
you know, maybe they're at home with their abuser, right

(42:33):
and they're at home with someone who's abusing them, and
it's like you're insight and then you're sending them home
and they're getting abused, and so it's like that isn't helpful, right,
and and that's just going to again like create the
system even deeper. And so we really want to focus
on the healthy support system we're sending people back to,

(42:54):
you know, and if it's not there, then I've turned
people away. Like I don't sit with everybody. This isn't
for everybody in regards to the psychedelic work. But we
can work in other ways, and I can help support
you in other ways. And let's build up these systems,
because again, we we heal in community. We don't heal alone.
You know, we need people.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Oh wow, Okay, okay, you learn something every day and
you cannot do it alone.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
That's that's a common theme.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
There's a lot there's a few things that a person
can do alone in this world, a few things.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
So I think this might be a little bit more
up your alley. I try this there. I try this exercise.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
With cognitive behavior, and I struggle with it because I
try to mix it up every because I have different
guests about different topics, so I can never kind of
do it the same way every time. So we have
anxiety today. Let me see here, did I get to
where's anxiety?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Go? Get that back there? We go? All right, So.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Let me see how do I set this up? The
emotion is anxiety, So how do you what's the thought process?
When Melissa experiences anxiety.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, So so if I were to be like maybe again,
like something throughout the day makes me feel anxious, I
know that it's it's my body's system telling me that
there's probably a past experience that has made me uncomfortable
in the past.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Right, Like.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Again, our body makes memories like my the my touch,
my sight, words that I'm hearing again like are going
to trigger a response, And so it's me going back
within myself what happened at this time last year, what
happened at this time five years ago? Again, like is
there something triggering this moment? Because what in this moment

(45:04):
is making the anxious? And if nothing in this moment
is making the anxious, I know that it's a past
version of myself that is coming up because it's unhealed.
And then I can send myself one of two things,
love or fear. Right, there's only two emotions and everything
falls under that, and there's really only one emotion. The
only emotion is love and fear is the absence of love.

(45:25):
And so again, so I can send my past version
of myself love and allow it to evolve and grow
and heal, or I can send it fear, which will
continue that feeling of anxiety, right, And so that's how
I look at healing anxiety or getting through those things.
It's my body's system saying hey, like you have some

(45:46):
unfinished business and please please send me love.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Okay, I'm going to try to work there exactly where
you say it's sending love.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
I'm going to see we can.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Work into that. So you you brought up memories. Let's
say you may oh high school memory. We all have
high school memories, good or bad.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
You know we have a.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
High school Let's say we have a high school memory.
I'm going to just create a situation here. Your high
school crush asked your best friend to promm. Okay, yeah,
So what's the initial thought where this is definitely going

(46:34):
to be a fear moment.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
I'm assuming.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Belief I'm not good enough, she's better than me, what's
wrong with me? Right, So it's attached to a belief system.
And so as soon as I fall out of that
alignment with myself, as soon as I'm not my own
best friend, right, I go into fear. Fear that I'm
not good enough, fear that she's better, fear that whatever
it is. And so again I have the choice to

(47:01):
be my own best friend. I'm doing the best I
can with what I have. If I could do better,
I would. This isn't about me, this is about them,
you know. Or I can internalize it as my own.
And if I take it on as my own, then
I have to deal with it, right, I have to
deal with all of that. Whatever I'm taking in, the guilt,
the shame, the you know, you know, the feeling of inadequacy.

(47:24):
I have to then deal with that. And I can't
say that as an adolescent. I didn't, because I absolutely
did into my twenties and thirties, and then I got
to a point where again I realized I can go
back to my high school self. I can go back
to my five six seven year old self, and I
can offer them in those situations. I can offer them love,
like and compassion. I can't go back and change it, right,

(47:46):
I can't like go back and fix the past, but
I can offer them a different feeling attached to it,
of love and compassion and empathy and sympathy and grace.
And that releases me then from fear, which is attached
to the default mode, right, which is attached to fight
flight freezer fun.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah, you're you're you're you're taking me down this road
and I love it because Okay, so we're there now
we have these these thoughts of inadequacy.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
I'm not good enough, I'm not pretty enough. What does
she do to get this moment? Okay? What's your behavior
behind this? How do you we all.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Have those experiences or seeing experiences of people acting out
or what do you just the opposition? What what's your
behavior behind the thought press the thought process of feeling inadequate?

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Yeah, so I would probably go inward, right, like be
shameful or cycle down these thought patterns and again like
I'm not good enough, and you know, like I feet
like the shooting all over myself or this you know whatever, right,
like the shouting all over in not a good way? Right,
should it? Yeah? Right? And so then I'm sitting in

(49:09):
that but again that all is under fear, right, like
all of those words, if I were to name them
all off again, like all stem from fear versus again
like being resourced in love, resourced in disability to again
forgive myself, love myself, accept myself for where I'm at,
know that it isn't about me, that whatever they're experiencing
has nothing to do with me. That's their path, and

(49:32):
then it again it allows me to be free of
that of those thoughts, of those emotions, and of that experience.

Speaker 6 (49:39):
Ultimately, Okay, so let's take it and develop that into
so we have the feelings of inadequacies, we start to
beat ourselves up.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
This is the cognitive part of the behavior. How do
you reframe that thought? What is the alternative or the
fix in your mind to have anyse feelings and emotions?

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yeah, so I go my like you know, fix is
again what I say to myself is I'm doing the
best I can in this moment with what I have.
And if I could do better, I would, and maybe
tomorrow I'll have more skills and more tools and resources,
but today I don't, And so I'm doing the best
I can with what I have, right, And that isn't

(50:33):
like shitting all over myself, And in that way, it's
showing up for where I'm at that I don't have
all the answers all of the time. I am triggered.
I am human. I did grow up in trauma just
like everybody else. I am resourced in fear. That's what
the highway that runs through me is is fear. It
isn't love. I didn't grow up in like just this

(50:53):
love love love place it would be nice. But so
I understand those parts of me and they do. Right,
they're my shadow pieces. We call them again like it's
my shadow work. And they're coming up again. Not because
they they become my best friend. They're there because they
want healing. They want to be brought into the light.
They want to be brought into the love ultimately, and

(51:15):
so it's again a different way of looking at those
parts and pieces of us that they're coming up asking
for healing.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Opportunities if you have any Oh, yeah, the growth is good,
growth is good, soul. Would Melissa have any particular actions
after she's reframed her mind and she reassured herself that
she is adequate and she is doing everything to the

(51:47):
best of her abilities. Does Melissa have any particular actions
after knowing that her best friend is still going to
prom with her crush?

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Yeah, so I mean in the moment, uh you know, yeah,
obviously Again it goes back to like it's just regulating.
And then I asked myself, where do I want to
create from ultimately?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Right?

Speaker 3 (52:07):
Where do I have the choice? Where do I want
to create from and what feels right and what feels aligned.
I will chase love and an open heart the rest
of my life because being there, you're in a flow
state and everything feels right and you don't have the
thoughts and you don't have the chatter and you're just flowing,
and it's again, it's the best jog I'll ever do,
and I'll continue to do. It is being in that

(52:29):
open heart and in love, in that love space, and
so I would be honoring myself and co creating from
that place of love. You know, as an adolescent I
could do that, but as an adult I can. You know,
you know better now I wrote a lot, right, I've evolved, Yes.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Word growth. You love it? I love it. I love it.
That is amazing.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
I'm sorry I had to bring a I hope no
one had a traumatic experience with high schools.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
We are so I'm sorry if we had to go
do that.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
But the good work is now that you're awhaerever, you
can go do your shadow work, all right. Thank you,
Thank you so much for being a will and participant
in that. That's a little bit tortuous session for me.
I really I really freestyle through that every time. But
next we are going to touch on just a few

(53:25):
pieces of information on the benefits and the risk of
investing in psychedelic.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I don't know if I'll.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Say, yeah, this is actually the psychedelic therapy market, I
would I would say this is the psychedelic therapy market.
So this could touch on a few things within when
it comes to the technologies, the and the supplies and products.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
So just some information.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
So now the psychedelically it's expected to grow significantly in
the coming years, with projections reaching billions of dollars. I'm
thinking that's definitely going to involve those insurance companies you
mentioned a couple of times. Yeah, absolutely, innovative treatment, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
He's gonna say, yeah, I mean it would be great
if we can. Yeah, and we need an upgrade, right,
our system needs an upgrade. And that's part of our
movement too, is like that we acknowledge and understand that
insurance is for is a for profit company. They're in
it to make money, not not help us, not give
us money, not allow us to have the services we want. Again,

(54:41):
like it's it's a for profit company and a lot
of people don't quite understand that, you know, and so yeah,
we need an upgrade. We deserve an upgrade, and and
we are the voice, We are the people and again
community like there are power and numbers.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
You know, we don't have to start a whole new
country for that. I don't believe Erica can get on
that page.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I'm just honest.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Hopefully, Yeah, with innovative tech, innovative treatments, psychedelic therapy offer
offers promising treatments for mental health conditions like depression.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
PTSD in additions with currently underserved by conventional therapy. So
I think that's saying that incorporating psychedelics into these treatments
might broaden the whole forum for therapies as a whole.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
I think that's what that's aiming at. Yeah, I can
I can.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
See how that's a piece more awareness, definitely, and that
leads to more information.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
So more information we have.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
The more ways they're going to add in what you
need to do.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
Yeah, hopefully it allows people to get off medications. You know,
they're not raing on like antidepressants or anti anxiety medications
or things like that. You know, that's like just a
natural way that they feel good enough to come off
of those things. Obviously, like with doctors helping ty trait

(56:17):
down and stuff like that. You know, I think again, like,
there's so many benefits to.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
That.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
Also again, like the the decrease in alcohol use and abuse.
You know, like alcohol is suppressing, It keeps us inner bodies.
It's oppressive, right, it keeps us stuck, where like psychedelics
allow us allow us to rise up. You know, it's
a it's a very different type of expansion, right, even
like cannabis is a mild psychedelic and so again it's

(56:47):
not necessarily keeping you stuck in your body. It allows
you to have access greater access to consciousness if you
allow it, and if it's used right, like for medicinal purposes.
We we love in America to like abuse a lot
of things and like use it all the time for everything,
versus again like medicinally using it for specific intentions.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
You know, I only abuse marijuana because they won't let
me get them medicinally if I.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I mean, cannabisy has so many good things, you know
in regards to how helpful it could be. I think again, Like,
but we also don't educate on how to use it
in a way too. That's that's intentional.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
You know, yeah, yes, absolutely, there are a lot of
people in the local area that I have got some
information from when it comes to the cannabis world.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Of CBDs and thcas and things of that is.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Uh, they're trying to do some good work I can appreciate.
Let's see here, what's the last increasing acceptance. This is
the last benefit for investing in psychedelic therapy. Increasing acceptance
and interest in psychedelic therapy, both from the medical community
and the general public. So yeah, that's I guess the

(58:15):
bigger it gets, bigger it gets. We have a couple
of risk here, regulatory challenges. The legal and regulatory landscape
for psychedelics is evolving, and there are uncertainties regarding approval
and market access. Do you deal with that in your
everyday thing with I'm sure insurance companies have a lot
to say about some things, but more or less the.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Legal side of it. Do you have any any dealingsing.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Licensing in Colorado? Colorado is going through like their regulatory
system right now. So in January they'll come out with
their new regulations for facilitators and there is a lot
of things that they said in the beginning that we're
going to allow happen, and now they're really changing it up,
and you know, it all comes down to you know,
like unfortunately, like profits and money, and and then it

(59:04):
makes it harder, you know, to to to give access
right on to everybody, because like again, like if we're
making people buy licenses that are very expensive, then then
all of the training has become and then all of
the this the therapy becomes expensive, and so it's unfortunate.
Right now, I think that Illinois is in the process too.

(59:27):
They're waiting to see what Colorado does, and so kind
of again and like get involved in just like some
of the preliminary stuff in Illinois. And and again I
think that it's going to continue to evolve over time.
Right now, we're you know, just allowing this process to
even happen is awesome, and so we're all just we're
excited about it, but we're also too we don't you know,

(59:49):
we want everyone to have access, you know. That's that's
a huge thing, is making sure that this is accessible
to especially the people who need it the most, which
are not the millionaires, right like, which are not that
that isn't that isn't the population that that needs healing
the most, right like it's marginalized communities and and and
that's absolutely again like you know, the passion and things

(01:00:13):
like that, not just for me but other collective people
that I work with, and that's our passion. And so
so it's again like us trying to like you know,
stand our ground and again make sure that this is
accessible to to really the people who are you know,
going through it every day.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
You know, Wow, Colronto is leading a lot in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
They would have first legalized the marijuana and and if
they have anything to say, I know everybody to have
access because man, going I was in Denver last sumber
and who you got access is easy, easily accessible, and
didn't for Colorado and the surrounding cities. I can guarantee that,

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oh man, all right. Market volatility. As a relatively new
and speculative industry, psychedelic stocks can be volatile and subject
to market fluctuations. Of course, that's always going to be
something when it comes to stocks. Clinical trials outcomes. The
success of psychedelic companies dependent on the outcomes of clinical trials,

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which can be uncertain and time consuming. Oh man, I
bet they got a long line for people lining up
to do clinical trials for psychedelics. I bet you they
don't have no problem from volunteers for that, but.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
No, they definitely don't. But again, it excludes a lot
of people. I've had people come to me who've been
excluded from certain studies because of the diagnosis they have
or the medication that they're on. And again, like so
that makes it difficult too, you know, because again they
just want the healing also, you know, and so you know,

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I think it would be nice to be a little
bit farther along with like the clinical trials and the
studies and the research coming out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Yeah, yeah, I know. I've heard that they can't. I
mean that they can take quite.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Some time as like years with even slight changes to
the clinical trials coming from the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Mind frame of adults and kids and elderlyes. They have,
you know, all different.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Dosage involved with addressing the same type of issues. So yeah,
I can I hope that they get that figured out
pretty quick. We did get some stock tips from the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Psychedelic stock market.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
We have after Life Sciences developing multiple drug based on
psychedelic substances. Compass path ways focused on psilocybin therapy. I think,
I said that right again, good job justin particularly Cybin
working on several clinical stages and therapies mind medicine, developing

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programs using LSD and other psychedelics. But of course, as
always when we mentioned these stocks on mental health as wealth,
investment in psychedelic therapy companies can offer high rewards but
also come with significant risk. It is important to do
thorough research and considers consulting with the financial advisors before
making any investment decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Of course, but if you got any.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Any ideas of investing, you know, you get your roundups going.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
You got a couple listen on the nastac for you there.
But thank you, thank you, thank you Melissa for joining
us today.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Before we get out of here, could you share for
anybody that might be looking for or your line of
work with psychadelic therapies where they could find begin the
process of finding help or maybe even find you if
they could.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Yeah, absolutely so, I know I'm listed on psychology today.
It's a way of again like finding different therapists. Things
like that you can type in the things you're looking for,
and like people will pop up in your area in
regards to like state by state. There's also third wave
it's a Psychedelic Facilitators kind of like kind of like

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a Psychology Today, but of different people who are offering
different types of facilitation with different types of medicine in
different states. And then Psychedelic Support is another one that
again that lists different facilitators. If anyone was interested in
reaching out to me, my email is Psychedelic Genie at

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gmail dot com. And again you can find me on
Psychology Today or any of these other places. I do
offer free integration again for anyone who'd be interested on
Tuesdays every Tuesday morning from nine to ten thirty am
via zoom and you can send me an email and
I can go ahead and send you the zoom link.

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And again it's just a place to talk about higher
consciousness and being a collective of others, a community that
shares the same thought process, concepts you know, healing you know,
and again just wants to have extra support.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Great, great, thank you, thank you so much. I appreciate
it so much.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
I can't give you the words for the appreciation for
the information and the experiences that you share today. I
know anybody who is watching and looking for information around
a lot a ton of health for info and definitely
if you're looking for more of Melissa is a great asset.
I don't know her personally, but I can tell from

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the way she talks he knows what she's talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Well. Again, thank you so very much for joining us today.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
I hope we find ways to work together soon in
the future.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
I'm going to definitely share.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Your links and your information for your emails on the
reviews I mean on the replays of the live tonight,
but for everybody watching, thank you for listening and watching
The Mental Health as Wealth.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
This is the podcast again.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
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Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
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