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Speaker 1 (00:08):
So one of the early observations of critical periods is
that if a child is born with bilateral cataracts, okay,
and then you remove those cataracts and they can see.
But if you wait and you don't remove those cataracts
until they're age six or seven, then even though the
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physical impediment to vision is gone, the brain cannot adjust
to the visual inputs anymore, and so the child remains
blind forever. And that's because there is a critical period
for setting the you know, strength of the synapses for
visual inputs. And once that critical period is closed, even
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though the primary impediment or the primary injury has been resolved,
the brain can't. It missed its opportunity to wire properly
for the visual environment, so they'll be blind forever. So
the idea there is if you missed the window and
the child didn't have their cataracts removed until they were
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seven or eight years old, and you paired cataract removal
surgery with psychedelics, then the idea would be that if
you know psychedelics can reopen visual critical periods, then the
idea would be that you would be able to restore
vision because you would be pairing the primary intervention, which
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is the cataract removal surgery with the reopening of the
critical period to give the opportunity to learn from the
visual environment in the natural way. And so with autism,
it's the same idea. We're saying, Okay, there's a genetic
impairment that causes autism, which we think is related to
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and imbalance at this one specific receptor, which we can
correct by targeting that receptor. But if we just do
that alone, after the social critical period has closed, then
they still remain socially blind, if you will, because we
missed that window. So the idea is if we could
pair that M gluar therapy with a psychedelic then we
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could restore the imbalance and also restore the ability to
learn from the social environment so that they can, under
those corrected conditions, have a shot at learning the ways
of social interaction the way they would have during natural development.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yes, yes, yes, so exciting, so exciting. And if you
can't tell having guests already today we are talking about
psychedelics and autism. We got a.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Great, great, great show lined up for you.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
We got an expert in give up some expert advice
and some information for what we own today, but listen,
get right into it, so, without further adode, Welcome, Welcome
to Mental Health is Wealth, the podcast where we explore
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and financial freedom. In this podcast, we'll talk topics such
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You're also hear from experts and guests who will hear
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is wealth. So today we have soon to be PhD
the doctor Becks Lend joining us today.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Hello, Hello, Hello, thank you for joining us. How are
you doing today?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I'm doing great? How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I'm doing wonderful. Thank you for asking.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I'm so excited to get into this information and share
what we have for the people. Like I say, when
I do these, when I start diving into information, it's
like opening up big boxes and it's so it goes
so many different ways, and it's just so much to
contain in your brain. And every week I just get
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amazed by what people know.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
And go through. So Bexcellen, please explain.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Give people just a little bit of introduction for yourself
and your background if you don't.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Mind, absolutely so. My name is Bex.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I am the owner and a therapist with your Unique
Mind LLC here in Las Vegas, Nevada. I am also
a PhD student in Autism studies at Towson University in Baltimore,
and I just want to say that the fused are
my own personal views and not representative of anything with
the university. Just make sure we get that in there.
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I am autistic myself, which is an interesting perspective. I
think sometimes with a lot of these kinds of conversations,
sometimes people talk about autism, They're not necessarily talking to
people who are autistic. They like to try to talk
about our experience, which is interesting and that is starting
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to shift, which I think is really great, and autistic
voices are absolutely necessary in this conversation, especially when it
comes to things like psychedelics.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Wow wow wa. Yeah, that's amazing and it's great that
you know there's a growing awareness for everybody to have
their own information and not just to be what they
call put into a box so to say. You know,
so I can't wait to get more about it. So
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you said you mentioned something your unique mind. Can you
explain a little bit more about this organization and the
type of work done.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, So that is my therapy office.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
That's the name of my company.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
And I chose that name because everybody's brain is unique,
and especially my population that I do with clinically are
mostly people who are neurodivergent, so autistic, ADHD, bipolar, OCD,
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those kind of all fall under that neurodivergence umbrella. So
it's basically just the brain processing information in a way
that is what would not be typically expected developmentally. So
there's a change in the way along the way developmentally
where how I process information how someone else processes information.
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It's just a little bit different. So, and that's and
I work work primarily with.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Adults, Okay, Right, So that's kind of translating to what
they put into us in the corporate.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
World of the learning style.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You know, kinetic visual learners. Do people learn differently, you know,
So it's just a.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Different translation of that great, right, right.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, I'm going to try my best not to sounded
like an idiot with these questions here, so let's go
ahead shoot at it. Can you explain what autism spectrum
disorder is and how it affects individuals differently with their
unique minds.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Absolutely, So autism spectrum disorder, you know, basically the clinical
definition would be a persistent social biological condition that impacts
communication and development. It's usually marked by challenges with that
social communication piece. Some people don't speak at all. Some
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people have challenges with conversations. Other people are really highly verbal.
You got little kids are talking, you know, big words
when they're you know, four and five years old. That
was me, and so it's it's a big range. And
then another piece of it is kind of like special interests,
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repetitive behaviors. So a lot of people you know, with
little kids, because I have kids with autism as well.
My son was obsessed with spinning everything, and he could
he could spin anything and everything. It was amazing to see.
But that was just kind of the way that he
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liked to express his excitement and his interest in the
way he explored the world. Other people, you know, are
are fascinated by trains. Some people are fascinated by weather,
A lot of people are fascinated by psychology. G And
so that's kind of how I got into this, into
this work a long time ago, is because I had
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a real interest in how does the mind work?
Speaker 5 (09:10):
What is the brain doing?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
How is that?
Speaker 6 (09:13):
You know?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Why why do I perceive this situation this way and
everyone else is looking at it this way?
Speaker 6 (09:19):
You know?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
It was kind of like that question, always trying to
understand wow.
Speaker 7 (09:24):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So for so like they I've been hearing a lot
of things of people being tested saying that they're on
a spectrum this thing, and then I hear you mentioned
things saying that it falls back to fascination, so to say, like,
how can a person tell if it's uh, just a
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fascination or it's closer to a spectrum situation.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I don't know how I asked this.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I totally understand what you're trying to ask there. So
let's say you came into my office and you were saying, hey,
I'm curious to see you know, am I am.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I on the spectrum? One?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Most people who are not on the spectrum don't question
whether or not they're on the spectrum.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
You know, it's.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Usually there's some there's some reason that somebody is question why,
you know, because they have a perception that maybe they,
you know, just didn't fit in right with people or
or whatever it is like others, you know, because as
humans we love to compare ourselves. We just we just
drivers absolutely crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
With that I'm better than you. It's the mind frame
of a human.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah, yeah, or why can't I do that like you?
I don't understand, right, But I think one of the
questions that I ask, you know, my clients and when
we when we go down this road, is how much
of this is impacting your life?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Are you able to have a common with somebody that
doesn't go right back to your special interest? My son
loves weather. He can't have a conversation about anything without
going back to weather. It's every memory is about weather.
And we and we work with that because it's great
to engage in the area of the special interest. But
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it's that there is such a high preoccupation that it
impairs the ability to relate past a certain point. And
those are the things that we look at that it's
is it functional and can you get off of that
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topic or is it becoming more of a compulsion that
you just can't switch your brain into something else.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Ah, that is a I get it. Wow. So it's
kind of.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Like if I'm at work and whatever it is that
I'm obsessed with is keeping me from checking this phone
or answering this message, then I might have something to
worry about here.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I can get it. I think we all have periods
of getting distracted.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah yeah, yeah, not just distracted, but more of like
I have no control over it.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's you know, hyper focus is
a real you know, and yeah, I mean I would
just go back to that sort of intensity thing, and
then there's other pieces to with it with it, you know,
it's it's it's are there sensory issues present? That is
being you know, an update that happened in this last
edition of the DSM because a lot of autistic individuals
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have tough time with you know, eye contact. It's it's overwhelming,
loud noises, they don't like to be touched, or they
seek a lot of touch, they seek a lot of
input in their bodies. They're running, they're jumping, they're playing,
and all of these things are really great human activities.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
But when is it done in times.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
That are not appropriate, is what we're societally right, because
you know, let's face it, but I think our world
could be set up so much better to support people
who are autistic without expectations of having to sit in
your seat at school for eight hours a day.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
At a cookie cutter treatment.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Exact cookie cut exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I get all right, Well, once you recognize.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Some of these signals and these signs of someone who
has been tested or maybe still in the wondering phase,
Once you have recognized it, what are some of the
treatments that you might administer or how do you start
to address that?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, So in kids, it's really common to work with
an occupational therapist and they work with things like beating challenges,
were you know, sensory based stuff, working on fine motor skills.
A lot of a lot of folks more autistic struggle
with you know, some buttons and snaps and zippers and handwriting.
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You know, it's like you're you're either very meticulous with
it or you have the handwriting.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Of a serial killer.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
You can try to figure that out, and so ots
can be really helpful with that. From you know, like
a school line and I'm being I'm being funny, by
the way, I'm not. I'm not trying to say anything
that serial killers did not at all.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
But most of them, most of my following are psychotic.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Seriously, whatever, it's a it's all good.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I'm just trying to make a parallel there that that's
not this because we joke about it all the time.
It's like, how can chicken scratching? Like what are you
trying to say? But there is there's like some of
that oral mode, oral motor's mouth. But you know, your hands,
your hands get tired quickly and you fatigue and you
cramp up, and so being able to work with holding
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the pen. Occupational therapy is really helpful for things like
that with school uh. And then speech therapy is often
helpful if a child is not quite speaking yet, they're preverbal,
they're you know, renting or making signs and doing things
like that. Helping with articulation if there's an articulation issue,
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Helping with social pragmatics and conversation as they get older,
understanding turn taking in a conversation, understanding perspective inference. You know,
those are things that are as we get more developmentally older,
become more challenging, and you start to see this gap
widen among kids and into into teens in adulthood where
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there's just differences in that ability to hold those conversations
and engage with your world socially, so speech therapy becomes
really helpful. A lot of people are you know, recommended
to do ABA therapy, which personally, and again this is
my personal opinion, not the opinion of any other university
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that I'm tied with or anything else, but I feel
like a BA is is not affirming care.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I think it.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I I've worked with a lot of clients who have
experienced a BA as children, and they come into adulthood
feeling very broken, feeling like there's always something wrong with them,
because a BA is focusing on trying to change behavior
in a.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Way that, yes, we all have some pull to.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Modify behavior, whether we get that from you know, our
social feedback or whatever you know, impetus that drives that.
But I feel like a BA is it's kind of
like dog training for people, and I feel it's very
defuitizing and it works.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
It works in younger populations.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
The problem is, as a society, we kind of have
this idea that like autism, just magically goes away when
you're eighteen and adult services are terrible and there's just
nothing there for people who are you know able to
because remember it's the spectrum, right, there's this range, and
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everybody kind of falls in different areas of needing support.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Whether that's.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
They need to live independently, they can't live independently, they
need to be at home, they might need support with
a job, or like myself, I get some accommodations at
my university, you know, but people look at me and
they're like, well, how can you be autistic? Like you
have a master's degree, you're in a PhD program, You're
highly verbal, you can carry on conversations, you're Mayriorge.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
You know.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
It's like, yeah, but I still need support.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
I still I still struggle with taking in the world.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I like to be right a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
So far, but it's definitely impacted some of my you know,
social relationships along the line. When I didn't know, because
I wasn't diagnosed until my thirties, I was completely into
a list oh wow, which is common for.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I've been hearing that also that people have like really thirties,
forties and even later just finding out that's and it
amazes me that you that not that you've shared that
they have so many different specified lanes to help you know,
it's just seems like they definitely pinpoint something directly and
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know like you say, the eighty is or the or
the cookie cutter method. You know what I'm saying is
definitely that's specificfy for each person, and that's that's a
great thing.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
And once you once you get to adulthood, your option
is mental health therapy basically, so people will go to
a therapist and they'll talk to a therapist about their struggles.
And if the therapist doesn't catch autism, they don't see it,
they're not trained in it. They're gonna give a whole
bunch of ideas and strategies and wonderfully well meaning things,
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but when they don't work, because the way you process
information is differently and you need to be worked with
in a way that supports that, a therapist will end
up potentially doing harm to their client without meaning to,
because of course they think that they're a good job.
And I've had therapists where they've done the best they can,
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but they're giving me the tools and I can't access
the tools because the tools were not designed for the
way that my brain thinks. So I go to therapy
and I go therapy, and I think I'm doing therapy
wrong and what is wrong with me that I can't
get it? And then it sets up even more depression
and anxiety because then you're like, well, what what's so
wrong with me? Why can't I function? Why can't I
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you know, why can't I have friends the way that
other people have friends? And I can't even do therapy right, Like,
what is.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Wrong with me?
Speaker 4 (20:20):
And that's really challenging as a person to go through
life that way and that and it was curfinitly my road.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, it's very challenging trying to put the square peg
in the triangle hole.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yes, it's not going to work.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
You can put the corner in there, but that's about
all that's going in. Yep.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
And I have had a lifetime Everyone that knows me
will attest to this. I am a lifetime of being
out of the box and not fitting in the hole
that I should fit into.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Man, I mean, I happen to thrive on that part
of life, you know. But you know, I could definitely
understand the the sentiments of how it was expressed there
get into psychedelics. Now I've said this right. Last week
she said I had a right plus plasibn plus no plush.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, help me out with.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
The following.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Active magic mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Okay, So.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
How have has that?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And they mentioned LSD been related to autism and therapy?
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Yeah, so not much actually, which is exciting for me
as a PhD student, and that's being my area of
research interest because there isn't much literature. I've spent some
time doing research on this area. And there were some
early early studies done back in the nineteen seventies where
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they gave kids with autism LSD late sixties, early seventies,
and of course this was before a lot of research
protocols were in place and before all psychedelic research got
shut down, but they did manage to get some studies done.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
It was very interesting.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
So what they saw was with psychedelic assisted therapy among
the kids, there was a reduction in some of the
more challenging behaviors that the kids would have, and there
was increased social connection. There was increased interactions with each
other and with the person providing the therapy. Once the
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therapy was done, over time, the behavior did return to
regress a bit, but it never returned back to the
baseline where it started. So that's interesting to see, Like
is there something that's that remains And I think, you know,
with silas cybin there are there aren't any active studies
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going on with autism as the focus right now, but
there was a study that was done in England where
they were asking about attitudes towards using silas ibin as
treatment for some of the challenging behaviors for autism. Because
the reality is is like, no, I don't propose I
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am not a proponent of curing autism, but I think
that managing some of the symptoms making it easier to
manage life and you know, not have the world be
so overwhelming, and to have better social connections with people
and have better understanding of my own emotional state, right
Like that's where psychedelics can be extremely helpful. And what
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they found in that study was that there was a
high level of interest, more than sixty five percent of
people that responded. I think there was three hundred and
thirty one respondents and they they were like super interested
or you know interested, and then the rest were of
the disinterested category. But I thought that was that was
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fascinating that there seems to be a call for it.
One of the psychedelics that you didn't mention because it's
not what we would call a classic psychedelic. So there's
there's the classic psychedelics LSD, psilocybin, DMT, and mescaline, and
then there's the non classical, the non traditional psychedelics, things
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like ketamine and MDMA. Yeah, part of the yes, So MDMA,
known as ecstasy or mollie, has been studied in UH.
There was a research study that was done by a
wonderful person at UCLA who was doing her dissertation and
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they went back and did some follow up studies with
that group. They were looking at MDMA for social anxiety
and artistic adults, and the research that has come out
of that has been fascinating. People took it. They were
not again interested in having a cure. They wanted to,
you know, work on some of those more troubling symptoms
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and that they were experiencing. And what they found was
that over ninety one out of the one hundred participants,
ninety one percent said that reported back that they when
they have used this psychedelic it is a positive experience
for them.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
So that's you.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
And then people were having great increase and empathy, increase
in understanding their own emotional state, increase in understanding others'
emotional states, feeling more settled in their body, feeling more hopeful, feeling.
And the cool thing was it lasted. So people were
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saying on this thing, some people, I think it was
about twenty percent had these feelings last for more than
two years post experience with the psychedelic And we know
that from all the studies that MAPS was doing, which
is a multidisciplinary psychedelic company that Rick Doblin was in
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charge of that they were kind of, you know, working
on the FDA to approve MDMA assisted therapy.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
They have been working on that with.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
PTSD with veterans and people who have PTSD, and what
they showed in their clinical trials is that sixty seven
percent of people no longer meet the criteria for PTSD after.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Three sessions of MDMA with a therapist.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
And it's a phenomenal compound for work with trauma and
so relatedness.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
And however it works, I want to know.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I'm fascinated because I feel like from a therapeutic standpoint,
that could make such a huge difference for my clients.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Wow, amazing, amazing, amazing. That's that's wild.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
So you say ecstasy does all that, I need to
go pop up pill. So I do do believe. I
saw that video of the professor in the UK who
did that study. I wanted to share that because it
was some great information in there, but it was ten
minutes long. There's no way I'm going to make anybody
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shit through a tim minute video here. But I do
have one of a young man who wants to who
shared his experiences with a psychedelic.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
This is probably one of the most beneficial things that's
come for me taking psychedelics. And definitely, definitely, definitely why
I encourage autistic people to do psychedelics, even if that's
just weed, because weed is absolutely a psychedelic. So why
does that rock? It rocks because you get to hang
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out in a different brain space. Right, So we're as
in me and all the other autistic people, you maybe
we're existing in a different way of seeing and existing
in the world all of the time, all the time,
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all of the time, and it's hard to even know
that there are other ways that the world can be seen,
Like you can know that on an intellectual level. But
to experience another way of being another like I'm gonna
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call it like mind mode. To experience that is such
a big, big, big deal. Becomes much easier to imagine
that all these other people in the world, these neurotypical fools,
just have a different mode. They're just working on different chemicals,
the same way my brain works on different chemicals. When
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I take mushrooms, it's just a different set of rhythms.
And without that really vital experience of being able to
see the world through a completely different, really truly frame
of mind, I don't think I would have the same
appreciation for quite how different my autistic brain really is
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from other people. Knowing it's so different makes it easier
for me to do the things that I know are
healthy for me that might not be healthy for other people.
Like Honestly, if a lot of neurotypical people schedule their
lives like I schedule mind and it probably would be
a little bit of a sign of neurosis or something
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a little off. But for me it's necessary. And that's
one of about four million things I can think of
that I do to accommodate the mode that my brain
comes in, and I cannot emphasize how grateful I am
to psychedelics, that I have this deep appreciation for the
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fact that there are such diverse ways to see the world.
And the more I know that, the more I live that,
the more I know it in my heart and my soul,
like in my chest, the more I'm able to really
live a very authentic, autistic life and embrace the fact
that I'm just in a different mode. I'm out here
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doing something different than what they taught us, and that
is one hundred percent. Nope, I don't know. I won't
say it's the best perk of taking psychedelics as an
autistic person, but it's up there, because how do you
put a value on something leading you to just accept
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yourself and be healthier because you can be yourself. Yeah,
nothing but gratitude right now. And goodbye to you, Yeah,
goodbye to you. I really love you. I do even
at five thirty. In fact, more so at five thirty. Okay,
I love you, goodbye.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I must must.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I know for a fact they were on whatever psychedelics
they were referring to who.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
When they were doing this video, But.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
More confirmation that it seems to unlock a different pathway
or a room in mind that allows people to reach
a part of their journey that they might not have
reached without the psychedelics. More confirmation.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
So let me ask you do you have personally?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Can you share a personal experience of either yourself or
someone that you've worked with during therapy and the SoC
and how the psychedelics may have unlocked some something that
you weren't expecting even.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean I have it from both personal
and you know, professional experience. I'm going to speak from
a personal lens at the moment, just because it's easier
from my voice. And I would say that my experience
with psychedelics first and foremost saved my life because I
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was in that place going to a therapist and not
understanding why I couldn't move my life forward, why.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
I felt stuck.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
I had a lot of of trauma because our world
is just not designed for a young woman growing up
the way that I did, in the situation that I did,
not being understood and constantly being labeled with lots of
different things and not having them fit and you know,
just not being understood.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
And that is a common experience among women. And it
got to a point in my life my kids said,
I'll been diagnosed, and you know, it was sort of like, well,
I'm running, I'm running into the I just don't know
that I want to be here anymore. And and that's hard.
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It's hard as an adult, it's hard as a parent.
It's hard to be in that spot. But I think
it's important to talk about because it's an experience that
more people have. And you know, look at my life now,
and I'm like, man, my life is really great. I mean,
I don't know if we curse here, but it's it's
it's really funny.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Your free, do whatever you want.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Yeah, my life.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
And and I couldn't say that to you.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
When I was in that space.
Speaker 9 (34:09):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
And and it didn't matter.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
You know, the things that I had accomplished, the things
that I had achieved. I didn't know myself. I I
didn't I didn't have that, and I got so much
from At first, I did ketamine and and that was
to break the depression. And ketamine definitely saved my life.
And then I decided to go off on my own
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and explore. And I was definitely the kid that was
never I mean, I never drank, I would I never
broke curfew. I was I was a good girl, not
a trouble maker. So I had and I had all
those messages from from growing up. If it drugs bad,
you know, don't do them. But I was following the research.
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I was paying attention. I was seeing the things that
they were doing at Hopkins with silos ibmin, and I
was seeing the stuff that was coming out with with
ketamine being approved for depression treatment. And I started doing
more research and I started looking at things and I'm like, man,
I wonder what this could do for me, you know.
And right around that time, Michael Pollins book came out,
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How to Change Your Mind, and I read it and
then he had there was a Netflix documentary special with
that on there and it was just like, I believe
that if it is the time for you to embark
on the psychedelic journey, the psychedelics will will let you
know that it's time. And so there were there were
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things that called to me to try and to take
a look at it, and everything gave me a different perspective.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
But I think it was so valuable.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
And like the video where the person was sharing how
you do you experience the world in such a different way,
and then you have the psychedelics and you experience yourself
in such a different way. I mean I remember I
remember taking Mollie and for a therapeutic purpose, like I
had the intention. I set it all up very specifically therapeutically,
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followed what MAPS was doing with how they were doing it,
you know, as best I could, because I didn't have therapist.
I was my own therapist. Don't don't try that at home, folks, you.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Know, no self therapizing, no, but you.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Know, for me.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
It was necessary. And I remember this moment where I
felt that amygdala. So we have different parts of our brain, right,
So we got the prefrontal cortex where we have our
logic brain, and that's where we kind of do all
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daily living, all of that working memories kind of there.
But then we have the amygdala. So our migdala is
kind of like we call our lizard brain. That's our
that's our fight, flight, food and fuck brain.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
So that's survival.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
And a person who has a lot of trauma, a
person who has autism as well, they've they've done studies
that migdalas tend to be a little bit more overactive.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
You have mine activating right now. It's tingling yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Mark is very overactive. But the way that MDMA works,
it quiets that amygdala. And I remember sitting there going,
I am migdala is quiet. This is amazing. For the
first time in my life, I can just be and
I could just be present, and I could just be
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in my own skin without all of that noise and
that chatter and all of the things that were you know, pulling,
and in that space, I remember I remember saying to myself,
this is the therapy zone. This is the space where
I can explore why I am struggling with something or
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what is present. You know, close my eyes, go back
into myself and I would get that message of like,
I'm really okay, I'm really okay, and oh, this feeling
right here, this feeling is happiness. I didn't know what
that felt like. I had no clue, and I'm just like,
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this is amazing, this is wonderful. How could this benefit
and of course, being a therapist, how can this benefit
my clients?
Speaker 5 (38:47):
How do I get this.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Out into the world?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Was what you to do?
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Just like the assurance company trying to make a book.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
No, I want everybody to feel what I felt in
that moment.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I understand yeah, yeah, okay, that's right.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
That's so it kind of takes you to the process
zones and allows you to get out of your own
head of worry and dealing with not don't want to
just say everyday life, but dealing with life, you know, say,
it allows you to escape for a moment and did
have that experience to readjust yourself.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
But it's not.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Escaping because therapeutic psychedelic work is incredibly intense and very hard.
I mean it's not like it's not like going and
you know, dropping acid and going and partying at a rave,
right or taking molly and going to a ring like
it is a very different experience that it does require,
(39:50):
you know, someone trained, and thankfully I do have my
training and certification now in psychedelic assisted therapy because that
was one of the steps that I took in this
what can I do with my life?
Speaker 5 (40:02):
And yeah, I mean I see a potential for.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Making a lot of people, whether it's challenges with autism,
whether it's challenges with depression, whether it's challenges with substance use,
whether it's challenges with OCD. Being able to know who
you are, work with your brain to optimize whatever it
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is that you're up to in life.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
It doesn't matter. You don't have to get a PhD.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
You don't have to you know, want to want to
do something fabulous, but you know how you are in
your own life is fabulous in itself. And so many people,
like we talked about at the beginning, this comparative idea.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
You know, we're.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Always comparing human to human, like you do that better
than I do, and whatever, and psychedelics. One of the
big gifts of that is turned down. I wouldn't say
it's turned off, but it is turned down. So much
of that comparing drive that just seems to be present,
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especially when you've lived a life feeling like you were
not given the same manual that everyone else got. I mean,
I remember saying that when I was thirteen years old,
y'all got a social manual that I didn't get. But
feel that way for forty years.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Right, And so to be able to just.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Be with my friends and be like, you are a
phenomenal human being, and I see you, and I see
the potential in you, and I see all of the
amazing things in you, and I see them in myself
because we're not so different, just because my brain processes
things a little bit different, and I have a hard
time with you know, food touching on my plate.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
We still have.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
You in the perspectives that we bring to the table.
And so often people with autism, people with disabilities, they're
not seen for their value, They're seen for their deficit.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, I can understand that, Like you're never going to
ask the guy who touched your shirt and hiss pants
where to go? Uh? Where to what cool bar to
hang out at? You know, like that that kinter correlates.
But thank you for sharing that, and also thank you
for having the strength to find that help and pull
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yourself out of that.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
You know, that's that's not anything to take lightly.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Those are those are some amazing struggles and even more
amazing feats, you know.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
So that's a that's a survivor story in my book.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
So thank you for.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Being a great survivor.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I appreciate that what.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
I got, I got.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
You might need to do an autobiography of something, you
know what I'm saying to get the people.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
In that actually.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
See there you go when when it's woke up more
than once, that must mean something. So you kind of
touched on it a little bit about the future of
the psychedelics.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
How do you feel that if.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
The future might look like when it comes to the
psychedelic and association with treatment and the therapies and even
autism directly.
Speaker 8 (43:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
So, I mean one of the big things right now
is there's so much research that's going on, and we
have states that are making initiatives for you know, decriminalizing
you know, silos cybin there. You know, Oregon has a
silos cybin initiative, Colorado has a silos cyberin initiative. Massachusetts
on their ballot it did it didn't pass, but you know,
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they're there is a movement in our country. And I
think that has come from, you know, a bit from
the cannabis because I you know, with the person that
was doing the video, I kind of also agree that
cannabis is kind of a non traditional psychedelic. I mean,
it's plant medicine for sure, but you can have some
psychedelic features at times with it, I think, depending on
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and whatever. But I think I think it's kind of
that was definitely a foundation, and I think I think
people that are looking at how do we how do
we open this up, you know for therapy purposes. I mean,
I know, maps they're not licos, but they were looking,
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you know, very much at how do we get this
into the FDA, and they're so close, and you know,
they just have to revise some things and and redoce
some of the studies. But hopefully, I know, silos Ibin
is also in that process of trying to be you know,
a pro like.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
It's right up there. It's basically a Colorado.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Colorado said, you know, we're going
to do it our way, and that's what we're going
to do. And I and I know that there are
other states and places where it's been decriminalized, you know,
and arbor and yeah, there's I mean even here in
Nevada they have they have a working Medicines Board that's
looking at psychedelics that's going to be bringing it up
to our legislature in twenty twenty five because there was
(45:24):
a bill last year. And that's it's it's so it's
it's gaining some momentum, right and I think looking at
it from a perspective of how can we do this
for supported you for people to who have trauma who
aren't being able to you know, access resources, you know,
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how can we get them connected with a therapist. I mean,
I work in academine clinic and it's great and I
love I love supporting my academine clients, but there's an access,
you know, issue barrier because of money. It's it's expensive
and worth it to put it into yourself, right Like
I would say, you know, I think that there's a
benefit to that. But everybody can do that, and unfortunately,
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a lot of people who have significant mental health challenges
struggle with, you know, making it in life. They have
a hard time holding jobs and having steady income and
finding places that they fit to do the things that
they want to do. And you know, there's a lot
of systemic issues that come with with with some of
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these challenges, especially if you're autistic. I mean, I don't
want to get you with a bunch of stats about
autism and underemployment and employment issues, but it's it's a huge.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Isa people without mental issues have problems with all it stuff.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
So people wouldn't do that.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
And I'm certainly not going to sit here and say, like,
you know, everybody in the world needs to go and
take psychedelics, right, like there are the Leary back in
the day was like, let's put it in, let's put
LSD in the drinking water. Okay. That's except if you
have a family history of psychosis, we don't need to
trick that out, you know. Or if you have high
blood pressure, taking psychedelics not a good idea.
Speaker 5 (47:09):
They raise your.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Blood like everybody does.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
No, and people that you know don't need it. But
you know, I think there are people that could benefit
from it that aren't you know, artistic, or have significant
mental health issues, especially as you get older, because your
brain just wants to stay in its own little, happy,
little you know, zone, and we get our pathways are
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just so in a rut that even if you want
to switch out of it and try something new, your
brain's like, yeah, no, I'm good. But if you take
psycholic it creates a whole opportunity for you be able
to jump out of that track.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Man, I'll bet by the time I finished this psychedelic
this series, I'm going to be on some.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
It's just I'm not in this.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
It's crazy that I laugh at that, because it's not
really on like any type of party mode thing. But
it's just the information that I've been getting from it.
It seems like I'm missing a part of myself that
I might need to unlie it just it keeps coming
back to this feeling. Even with last week the person
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Melissa that we had talked about the laws and the
stuff and the changing in Colorado, and it was just
like the way that it's laid out, it seems that
there are great benefits and as all things, you should
do your own personal research to see how it fits
into your life, into your health, because that's where it
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matters the most for you personally, is like not for everybody.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
And I want to address something with that really quickly
if I may. You know, we people talk a lot about, like,
you know, fear around psychedelics, because we had this whole
conversation you take acid, your brain's gonna melt or you
know you're gonna off a building or you know you're
going to melt into a picture or whatever. You know,
we have these ideas, and I would say that what
(49:10):
I believe, you know, people talking about I don't want
to have a bad trip, right, So I believe that
it is absolutely essential that you do your homework around
whatever it is that you want to take. And I'm
not advocating for anyone to take anything, but if you
were to choose to do that. Know what you're getting into.
(49:34):
We support it. Never do it alone. Have make sure
that your setting is very important. Do it in a
quiet space with music you know, and close your eyes
and let yourself go inward for the thing. It's not
a social experience therapeutic use with psychedelics. If you want
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to get something from it, you have to put in
the work. You need to set an intention, you need
to be in a good a place in your mind.
Speaker 5 (50:02):
Even if you're.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
Struggling right like you're struggling with depression, you're having a
bad time, you still have to take it at a
time where you know that you're you're not gonna have
a bad trip. Because I don't believe that there are
bad trips. I think there are really tough trips. I
think there are challenging experiences. But it's what you learn
from those experiences after the fact that integration piece is
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so important. People have these experiences the light bulb goes
off in their head or they're like, man, I saw
some really fucked up shit and I don't know what
it means, and then it just turns into yet another
you know, experience that they had and they didn't capture
the magic of the situation. And that's where therapy is
so important, because you take that into a therapist and
(50:46):
you journal about it and you bring it in and
then you can talk about it and then you can
figure out, how do I make that present in my life?
What do I do to keep that alive, that sense
of I am okay? You know, like I never believed
that I was good enough. I never believed that I
was good enough. I was always comparing and always you know,
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going after it. And I did acid one time in
my life, and the thing that I got from it,
I tattooed on my body and it says I am enough.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
I am enough, all right, good asset And it was.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
Phenomenal and that was the lesson and you know it
just but I had to keep believing it. I had
to keep deepening that. I had to keep you know,
getting that message and then being like, yeah, you know,
and I am I am totally enough. I always was enough,
And I want that for everybody.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
That's what I want for my clients, That's what I
want for other people's clients. That's what I That's why
I'm giving my life to this study and I will
study this and tell the day that I no longer
draw breath on this planet and I am in another
level of consciousness. That is, That is how and how
important I feel psychedelics is as a therapeutic tool.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Wow, amazing, amazing, amaz We're gonna have to have you
back and rent when we do the panel and get
all the psychedelic experts in, and I'm just gonna sit
in the corner and shut up because y'all gonna be
talking about stuff that is way over my head and
I'll be taking notes. Who I'm gonna need it. I'm
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gonna need it. I'm gonna need it. Well, we're gonna
touch onto this next segment here, we're gonna get into
a little bit of the physical healthness when it comes
to the psychedelic side. Another part of mental health is wealth.
Is we take care of our physical bodies also, that
is very very important. And also we're going to incorporate
a little bit into the kids with autism today. So
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thanks for allowing that opportunity to come up with the
topics today. But let's see how let's check this psychedelic
room hopes.
Speaker 7 (53:00):
I'm on display at Mary Hospital. That's blending sights sounds
and textures and aromas. It is a multi century experience
designed for children with autism and other cognitive conditions in
today's Patrick's people. Patrick Clark gets a first hand feel
for the room that is turning heads and opening minds.
Speaker 9 (53:20):
These are really just lights.
Speaker 10 (53:22):
Patty Morrow has a room that might rival a Pink
Floyd laser light show, but this isn't in an arena.
This hands on experience is at Mercy Children's Hospital and
it's the only one of its kind in the Midwest.
Speaker 9 (53:35):
This room is really intended to allow a child, you know,
to experience all five of their senses, something that I
think we often take for granted. We're always experiencing sensory input.
Speaker 10 (53:47):
It's known as a snozzle in room, a Dutch word
formed by the two therapists who founded the concept. It's
for children on the autistic spectrum and those who have
cognitive delays.
Speaker 9 (53:57):
It's just a calming sort of for kids that might have,
you know, episodes of getting agitated and can't express themselves.
What a great way to kind of distract them from
that and just get them engaged. And they get really
fascinated with the fiber optics.
Speaker 8 (54:16):
Right.
Speaker 10 (54:18):
Lights, dance on the ceiling, in your hands and all
around you. Thanks to a grant from the Variety Children's Charity.
Through Expression and Exploration, children can use all five senses
and it's easy to see how this addition is a plus.
Researchers have proven that lights, aroma, and sound can soothe
the body and reduce stress. And just speaking from personal experience,
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I don't really want to leave this room.
Speaker 9 (54:44):
There's multiple games, a lot of them focus on fine
motor skills, you know, memory. There's there's some memory games
in there for the kids, but they get to touch
and move that around much like you know we do
on our iPhones.
Speaker 10 (54:59):
And that's the goal of this nozzle and room, a
place for children to thrive and grow in a safe environment.
And that makes a lot of sense, all five.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Of them, to be exact.
Speaker 10 (55:10):
Patrick Clark, News eleven.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Okay, that happens to be right here in Saint Louis, Missouri.
So I think I got a trip to take. It
looks very comforting and soothing, and I can't I almost
fell asleep watching that video.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
I can't even run.
Speaker 4 (55:31):
Relaxed room like that in my house because I have,
you know, myself and my kids and there's like it's
all black lights. The walls are painted black. I have,
you know, black light light strips of playing.
Speaker 5 (55:44):
We have laser lights.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
We have a swing that hangs down, and all sensory
things to kind of like just help soothe your system.
I'm a big, big fan of having that space for.
Speaker 5 (55:58):
For anybody, For me to help some and my.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
Kids, but.
Speaker 5 (56:04):
I think everybody can benefit from that.
Speaker 4 (56:05):
In our world right now is so chaotic.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
If I was one of your kids and you came home,
you know where I'd be every day, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
Where's Doc. He's in the room, you know it. Why
does it smell like that in here? You know why?
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Let's see here what we got How to exercise improves
emotional regulation. There's a lot that I pulled this out
because regulation is.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
A common word that I was getting in.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Uh these looking up these topics on auto them.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
It's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
And even with the just the psychedelics alone, the regulation
is definitely a part of that.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
Exercise increased levels.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Of dopamine and endorphins in the brain reduces Oh, here
comes one of those words I can't say, cortisol and
adrenaline levels in the brain, which are associated with stress,
the combination results and the brain being primed for optimal
self regulation. Oh no, I'll skip one. And this mood
is improved and anxiety decreased because Endorphents are natural mood lifters,
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and the combination results and the brain being primed for
optimal self regulation.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
What do you think about that there?
Speaker 5 (57:28):
I think it's great. I think I think that's why.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
You know, when I talked about OT, A lot of
OT's work with you know, proprioceptive movement and vestibular movement.
Those are types of senses that we also have in
our body, and you know, it does help with regulation
if you're if you're moving, you know, like you see
a lot of people rock, right, that's one of those
hype autistic behaviors. Well, you're helping your nervous system. You're
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helping your nervous system process all the world because you
is overwhelmed.
Speaker 5 (57:59):
If you ever watched have you ever watched dogs fight?
Speaker 4 (58:05):
From dog the animals at the you know, the at
the the nature shows where the animals are all playing
at the water hole and they're all like, you know, stomping,
and what.
Speaker 10 (58:16):
Do they do?
Speaker 5 (58:18):
What do they do right after that?
Speaker 2 (58:21):
Before they shake they shake it off and oh okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (58:30):
As human beings, we don't shake enough. So our nervous
systems are just constantly, constantly on alert. But if we
shake it off with movement, dancing, running, jumping, moving around,
getting yourself you know, I'm not going to sit here
and be like, yes, exercise will cure your depression, but
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it will help your nervous system. It will help your
nervous system relax. So our nervous systems are always always
on alert, especially artistic.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
I literally do that.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
I'll literally I'll be walking up the street, I feel
like something just ain't right with me.
Speaker 3 (59:09):
I will stop and I will shake myself off.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
I literally do that like three times a day.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
If I'm on bad days.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
That is. Some of the days I don't even do it,
but yeah, when I'm having some bad moments in life, yeah,
I literally stop and shake stuff off and it helps. Wow.
Speaker 4 (59:29):
And that's why this is just crazy.
Speaker 3 (59:33):
This just I'll tell you, I'm amazed every time.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
It's just little tidbits, the little stuff that pick up
and that that lets you know that there's more to unlock.
Speaker 3 (59:42):
That just lets you know that there's mountains.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
More to touch on that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
I love it. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
All right, Well, let's help some kids with autism possibly
get in shape and stay healthy. We have here kids
seven minute. This is another one Hiit I need. I
should have googled that because that popped up a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
I don't know what that's an act.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
That has to be an acronym for something, because that
comes up a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I've been seeing.
Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Hiit workout, but this is the Hiit workout for self regulation.
Said at interval, Timer and compete each animal movement for
forty five seconds, within fifteen seconds of rest in between.
Do as many as you can. Number one, we have
frog jumps. You hop hop back and forth like a frog.
Number two you have the barrel walk, hands and feet
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on the floor, high hips, walk left and right. Number
three you have the gorilla shuffle, sinking to a low
sumo squad with hands on the floor, shuffling around the room.
Sound like you're scratching your butt, but we're gonna not
judge people here starfish jumps. Number four jumping jacks as
fast as you can with arms and legs.
Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Bread Hey, I'm about to do a few of these
as soon as we get off.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Air a cheetah run, run in place as fast as
you can, just like the fastest ana. One is the
horror crab crawl. Number six sit and place your palms
flat on the floor behind you near your hips, lift
up off the ground and crawl. And number seven the
elephant snumps march in place, lift your knees as high
(01:01:17):
as you can.
Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
And stumble on the ground as hard as you can.
So don't sound like fun for some kids to go
through that. It's not exercise.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
That's just clowning around. But if it gets you in shave, hey,
go ahead and knock yourself out and it'll help with
figure you've done any of those.
Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Yeah, I do something you know in the in the
hi T is high intensity interval training. I think, oh,
and that's kind of how you know people are looking
at working out now. But I think the important thing
from your clip there was that it was for self regulation.
And so again you're in that space of the way
(01:01:55):
that you're processing the world, you start getting overwhelmed, you're
shutting down, or you're having big emotion. You know, kids
are having meltdowns or adults are having meltdowns.
Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
You know, getting out some of that.
Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Overwhelm in your system, Lowering that cortisol, lowering those adrenaline,
that adrenaline, those activities will help do that. So I
do various things with that, and I think I think
it would benefit a lot of people, kids, teens, adults.
Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Okay, I'm gonna try a long I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Try a long shot here. I'm gonna try Steph's curry. So,
in your professional opinion, does that would that correlate to
kind of lost? My trainer thought there that quick. But
what that kind of correlate to? How a person is
transferring energy? Is that kind of the same thing, like
(01:02:48):
how we're all balls of energy and once we get
that out, it has to go somewhere else, but it's
not enough anymore.
Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
Yeah, yeah, smart.
Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
I think?
Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
And a person with autism, an autistic individual, h they're
kind of like the extremes, right, So you have people
that don't have enough energy at all, like you can't
you can't get motivated, you can't get.
Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
Going, you don't have energy.
Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Or you have people lots and lots and lots of
energy and then they're taken in the world and they
and they have all this extra energy to give.
Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
So if you're stomping around like an elephant.
Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
You're giving that energy someplace to go.
Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
You're getting it.
Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Out of your body physically. And I and my clients
would all say like I am the first one to
be like, get yourself into child's pose and do some
deep breathing and do some boga, do some cat cow do,
do some stomps, go walk around, go outside, you know,
do some jumping jacks.
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
I give this a to my clients.
Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Wow, amazing. We getting some scientific, groundbreaking information here today
on mental health as wealth.
Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
I love it. I actually go get my PhD. What
do you know?
Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Well, that's but not least. We're gonna jump into our
financial segment of mental health as.
Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Wealth to end the day off.
Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Since we are talking about we kind of got onto
the kids area, we're going to start with. We're going
to talk today about investing for your kids, especially right now.
It's been coming up a lot with five to twenty
nine plans, with the open enrollment just passing, with a
(01:04:46):
lot of people's jobs they're looking at these benefits. So
I know a lot of five twenty nine and four
to one k's have been opened up recently. So congratulations
to the people who have made those steps and continue
to maximize their contributions and at their companies match. Good job,
keep it up. But we're gonna start off with oh yeah,
(01:05:07):
there we go. The Financial Vibes post for invest in
your kid's future. In three steps, you can set your
kids up for success. Number one is open an investment
account where your child is born. Some of this is
another language, because I guess they sure this with other countries,
but popular account types are brokera's accounts. Those type brokeri's
(01:05:28):
accounts allow you to invest with your child's moneies, so
that gives it the greatest potential of growth. Some other
directions might be to save, which is a very conservative option.
Your money's not going to be lost most likely, but
it's not going to grow at least at the rate
of inflation, so you're losing a little bit there. Just
(01:05:49):
keep that in mind. Number two, invest in low cost
index fund that tracks nifty put rs five thousands per month,
so basically you have low index funds that are comprised
most mutual funds where you can just put money and
let other people manage it. They decide when something's not
doing good, they taking money out putting it somewhere else
(01:06:10):
where it is doing good. So you really just pay
a person to manage that money for you.
Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
That's just an idea.
Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Step number three, become a hero and your kids twenty
first birthday, his account balance will be there, so you
transfer that money over other vehicles such as five twenty
nine plans allow you to transfer those moneys before child
reaches twenty one, perhaps UPMA accounts you team and as
Union four transfers to minor acts also allows you to
(01:06:37):
transfer money sometimes before they reach twenty one, and some
accounts allow you to hold the money up until their
age of twenty five and either later if the account
allows such. So look into those options, consult with your
local or any financial professionals that you have access to,
and make sure that you're getting yourself into the correct
plan for you and your child. We have help your
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child retire early. So this is not necessarily directly with
financing for college per se, but this is just getting
your child on the right track for life. Maybe not
all kids go to college, not all kids go to
grade school. Some kids just need bail money. Let's be real, sorry,
it is what it is. So we have three different
(01:07:25):
options here. That would give a scale to show what
shows at the age of eighteen and also at the
age of fifty with moneies.
Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
And these are not.
Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Savings. I can tell from the way that these work.
These are not savings. These are definitely some sort of
movement vehicles. But fifty dollars per month will result in
twenty five thousand, five hundred and ninety two dollars after
eighteen years and at age fifty with no more contributions.
If that money was to sit saved or invest it,
(01:08:02):
the amount would potentially reach up to six hundred thousand,
three hundred and sixty one hundred and eighty five dollars.
So for the same scale, seventy five dollars per month
at the age of eighteen forty two, eight hundred and
eighty eight dollars could scale up with no more contributions
at the age of fifty to nine hundred thousand, five hundred,
nine hundred, five thousand, five hundred and twenty seven dollars,
which is basically is a million. You know what I'm saying.
(01:08:24):
Add a few pennies in there, you got a million.
Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
No problem, one hundred dollars a month.
Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
That's just a mere twenty five dollars a week, and
I know your child is worth it. Just at the
end of every week, put twenty five dollars into an account.
Let it work for you one hundred dollars a month.
At the age of eighteen, you potentially have the amount
of fifty seven one hundred and eighty four dollars, which
is well over a million at the age of fifty
with no more contributions, just letting that money sit there.
So with the idea that you put that money to
(01:08:49):
work in some sort of investments, split fifty fifty, seventy
five to twenty five, whatever, Let that money work, Put
it in the house, buy some real estate.
Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Something's going to grow with.
Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
At least the rate of inflation. You set your child
up for life and they barely got to work. They
just go to work. You know what I'm saying. They
can be happy. And that's what we all want for
our kids. I know is what I want for my kids.
I don't know what you want, but I know it
is exactly what I want from my kids. How do
how do you you personally, becks, Have you done any
(01:09:18):
investment for your children or yourself?
Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
They had any personal experiences to share with that.
Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
Yeah, So when you have kids with autism, it's a
little bit different because if you're receiving any sort of
benefits the kids actually have in their name. But recently,
one of the things that has come about is an
able account and I'm not sure if you're familiar with those, yes,
but those are those are options for for children who
(01:09:46):
have challenges and disabilities. So, you know, I was, I
was using some things, you know, for my kids, just
to be able to help them along the way. But
my kids were on state uh state support for a
long time. I'm for their challenges, so we didn't end
up being able to do that for them. But we're,
you know, we're.
Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
Doing what we can now.
Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
And I have a young man who is twenty three now,
and you know, he lives with me and he works,
and you know, we're having these conversations now about how
to help set him up, you know, for himself as
he gets older into retirement. So those conversations are absolutely happening,
and they're very very important. I would just want to
make sure that you don't put your if your kids
(01:10:30):
are receiving you know, SSI or any state benefits, you know,
Medicaid waivers or.
Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Things like that for just in your account.
Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Don't you know, make sure that you're protecting that money.
Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Yes, absolutely, don't play with it because the government keeps
an eye on that greatly. Yes theyah, just be clear,
those options that I presented are all on the broker
side of the money. You have a banking side which
presents more products and different types of functions. So definitely,
like I said, look at all of your options and
(01:11:02):
see what fits best for you and your personal situations
about But yes, of course, again, thank you so much
for joining us today sharing this information.
Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
I really hope we have.
Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
We have been talking so much about this panel, so
I really hope we can get you in on that
because this is just too much, too much. The process
is a lot of information, and I'm so excited to
get more and get more every single time.
Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
But again, thank.
Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
You for joining us and sharing the information and your
insights for our audience. I know somebody learned something because
I did. I learned something, so that one person learns something,
that's good enough of me I do. I just want
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Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
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Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
I'll see you smiling
So one of the early observations of critical periods is
that if a child is born with bilateral cataracts, okay,
and then you remove those cataracts and they can see.
But if you wait and you don't remove those cataracts
until they're age six or seven, then even though the
(00:30):
physical impediment to vision is gone, the brain cannot adjust
to the visual inputs anymore, and so the child remains
blind forever. And that's because there is a critical period
for setting the you know, strength of the synapses for
visual inputs. And once that critical period is closed, even
(00:54):
though the primary impediment or the primary injury has been resolved,
the brain can't. It missed its opportunity to wire properly
for the visual environment, so they'll be blind forever. So
the idea there is if you missed the window and
the child didn't have their cataracts removed until they were
(01:14):
seven or eight years old, and you paired cataract removal
surgery with psychedelics, then the idea would be that if
you know psychedelics can reopen visual critical periods, then the
idea would be that you would be able to restore
vision because you would be pairing the primary intervention, which
(01:36):
is the cataract removal surgery with the reopening of the
critical period to give the opportunity to learn from the
visual environment in the natural way. And so with autism,
it's the same idea. We're saying, Okay, there's a genetic
impairment that causes autism, which we think is related to
(01:57):
and imbalance at this one specific receptor, which we can
correct by targeting that receptor. But if we just do
that alone, after the social critical period has closed, then
they still remain socially blind, if you will, because we
missed that window. So the idea is if we could
pair that M gluar therapy with a psychedelic then we
(02:22):
could restore the imbalance and also restore the ability to
learn from the social environment so that they can, under
those corrected conditions, have a shot at learning the ways
of social interaction the way they would have during natural development.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yes, yes, yes, so exciting, so exciting. And if you
can't tell having guests already today we are talking about
psychedelics and autism. We got a.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Great, great, great show lined up for you.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
We got an expert in give up some expert advice
and some information for what we own today, but listen,
get right into it, so, without further adode, Welcome, Welcome
to Mental Health is Wealth, the podcast where we explore
the connection between your mind and money. I'm your host,
Doc Dillinger. I'm here to help you achieve mental wellness
and financial freedom. In this podcast, we'll talk topics such
(03:28):
as stress management, management, budgeting, investment, self care, and more.
You're also hear from experts and guests who will hear
their insights and experience on how they cope with challenges
and the life of money. Rather you're struggling with anxiety, depression,
dare anything in between. This is the podcast for you
to join us every week as we take care our
mental health and grow our wealth. And remember, mental health
(03:50):
is wealth. So today we have soon to be PhD
the doctor Becks Lend joining us today.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Hello, Hello, Hello, thank you for joining us. How are
you doing today?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I'm doing great? How are you doing?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I'm doing wonderful. Thank you for asking.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I'm so excited to get into this information and share
what we have for the people. Like I say, when
I do these, when I start diving into information, it's
like opening up big boxes and it's so it goes
so many different ways, and it's just so much to
contain in your brain. And every week I just get
(04:30):
amazed by what people know.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
And go through. So Bexcellen, please explain.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Give people just a little bit of introduction for yourself
and your background if you don't.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
Mind, absolutely so. My name is Bex.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I am the owner and a therapist with your Unique
Mind LLC here in Las Vegas, Nevada. I am also
a PhD student in Autism studies at Towson University in Baltimore,
and I just want to say that the fused are
my own personal views and not representative of anything with
the university. Just make sure we get that in there.
(05:08):
I am autistic myself, which is an interesting perspective. I
think sometimes with a lot of these kinds of conversations,
sometimes people talk about autism, They're not necessarily talking to
people who are autistic. They like to try to talk
about our experience, which is interesting and that is starting
(05:30):
to shift, which I think is really great, and autistic
voices are absolutely necessary in this conversation, especially when it
comes to things like psychedelics.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Wow wow wa. Yeah, that's amazing and it's great that
you know there's a growing awareness for everybody to have
their own information and not just to be what they
call put into a box so to say. You know,
so I can't wait to get more about it. So
(06:02):
you said you mentioned something your unique mind. Can you
explain a little bit more about this organization and the
type of work done.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, So that is my therapy office.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
That's the name of my company.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
And I chose that name because everybody's brain is unique,
and especially my population that I do with clinically are
mostly people who are neurodivergent, so autistic, ADHD, bipolar, OCD,
(06:37):
those kind of all fall under that neurodivergence umbrella. So
it's basically just the brain processing information in a way
that is what would not be typically expected developmentally. So
there's a change in the way along the way developmentally
where how I process information how someone else processes information.
(06:59):
It's just a little bit different. So, and that's and
I work work primarily with.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Adults, Okay, Right, So that's kind of translating to what
they put into us in the corporate.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
World of the learning style.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You know, kinetic visual learners. Do people learn differently, you know,
So it's just a.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Different translation of that great, right, right.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Well, I'm going to try my best not to sounded
like an idiot with these questions here, so let's go
ahead shoot at it. Can you explain what autism spectrum
disorder is and how it affects individuals differently with their
unique minds.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Absolutely, So autism spectrum disorder, you know, basically the clinical
definition would be a persistent social biological condition that impacts
communication and development. It's usually marked by challenges with that
social communication piece. Some people don't speak at all. Some
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people have challenges with conversations. Other people are really highly verbal.
You got little kids are talking, you know, big words
when they're you know, four and five years old. That
was me, and so it's it's a big range. And
then another piece of it is kind of like special interests,
(08:26):
repetitive behaviors. So a lot of people you know, with
little kids, because I have kids with autism as well.
My son was obsessed with spinning everything, and he could
he could spin anything and everything. It was amazing to see.
But that was just kind of the way that he
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liked to express his excitement and his interest in the
way he explored the world. Other people, you know, are
are fascinated by trains. Some people are fascinated by weather,
A lot of people are fascinated by psychology. G And
so that's kind of how I got into this, into
this work a long time ago, is because I had
(09:07):
a real interest in how does the mind work?
Speaker 5 (09:10):
What is the brain doing?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
How is that?
Speaker 6 (09:13):
You know?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Why why do I perceive this situation this way and
everyone else is looking at it this way?
Speaker 6 (09:19):
You know?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
It was kind of like that question, always trying to
understand wow.
Speaker 7 (09:24):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
So for so like they I've been hearing a lot
of things of people being tested saying that they're on
a spectrum this thing, and then I hear you mentioned
things saying that it falls back to fascination, so to say, like,
how can a person tell if it's uh, just a
(09:50):
fascination or it's closer to a spectrum situation.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I don't know how I asked this.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
I totally understand what you're trying to ask there. So
let's say you came into my office and you were saying, hey,
I'm curious to see you know, am I am.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I on the spectrum? One?
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Most people who are not on the spectrum don't question
whether or not they're on the spectrum.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
You know, it's.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Usually there's some there's some reason that somebody is question why,
you know, because they have a perception that maybe they,
you know, just didn't fit in right with people or
or whatever it is like others, you know, because as
humans we love to compare ourselves. We just we just
drivers absolutely crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
With that I'm better than you. It's the mind frame
of a human.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Yeah, yeah, or why can't I do that like you?
I don't understand, right, But I think one of the
questions that I ask, you know, my clients and when
we when we go down this road, is how much
of this is impacting your life?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
You know?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Are you able to have a common with somebody that
doesn't go right back to your special interest? My son
loves weather. He can't have a conversation about anything without
going back to weather. It's every memory is about weather.
And we and we work with that because it's great
to engage in the area of the special interest. But
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it's that there is such a high preoccupation that it
impairs the ability to relate past a certain point. And
those are the things that we look at that it's
is it functional and can you get off of that
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topic or is it becoming more of a compulsion that
you just can't switch your brain into something else.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
Ah, that is a I get it. Wow. So it's
kind of.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Like if I'm at work and whatever it is that
I'm obsessed with is keeping me from checking this phone
or answering this message, then I might have something to
worry about here.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I can get it. I think we all have periods
of getting distracted.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah yeah, yeah, not just distracted, but more of like
I have no control over it.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's you know, hyper focus is
a real you know, and yeah, I mean I would
just go back to that sort of intensity thing, and
then there's other pieces to with it with it, you know,
it's it's it's are there sensory issues present? That is
being you know, an update that happened in this last
edition of the DSM because a lot of autistic individuals
(12:42):
have tough time with you know, eye contact. It's it's overwhelming,
loud noises, they don't like to be touched, or they
seek a lot of touch, they seek a lot of
input in their bodies. They're running, they're jumping, they're playing,
and all of these things are really great human activities.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
But when is it done in times.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
That are not appropriate, is what we're societally right, because
you know, let's face it, but I think our world
could be set up so much better to support people
who are autistic without expectations of having to sit in
your seat at school for eight hours a day.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
At a cookie cutter treatment.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Exact cookie cut exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I get all right, Well, once you recognize.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Some of these signals and these signs of someone who
has been tested or maybe still in the wondering phase,
Once you have recognized it, what are some of the
treatments that you might administer or how do you start
to address that?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, So in kids, it's really common to work with
an occupational therapist and they work with things like beating challenges,
were you know, sensory based stuff, working on fine motor skills.
A lot of a lot of folks more autistic struggle
with you know, some buttons and snaps and zippers and handwriting.
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You know, it's like you're you're either very meticulous with
it or you have the handwriting.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Of a serial killer.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
You can try to figure that out, and so ots
can be really helpful with that. From you know, like
a school line and I'm being I'm being funny, by
the way, I'm not. I'm not trying to say anything
that serial killers did not at all.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
But most of them, most of my following are psychotic.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Seriously, whatever, it's a it's all good.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
I'm just trying to make a parallel there that that's
not this because we joke about it all the time.
It's like, how can chicken scratching? Like what are you
trying to say? But there is there's like some of
that oral mode, oral motor's mouth. But you know, your hands,
your hands get tired quickly and you fatigue and you
cramp up, and so being able to work with holding
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the pen. Occupational therapy is really helpful for things like
that with school uh. And then speech therapy is often
helpful if a child is not quite speaking yet, they're preverbal,
they're you know, renting or making signs and doing things
like that. Helping with articulation if there's an articulation issue,
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Helping with social pragmatics and conversation as they get older,
understanding turn taking in a conversation, understanding perspective inference. You know,
those are things that are as we get more developmentally older,
become more challenging, and you start to see this gap
widen among kids and into into teens in adulthood where
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there's just differences in that ability to hold those conversations
and engage with your world socially, so speech therapy becomes
really helpful. A lot of people are you know, recommended
to do ABA therapy, which personally, and again this is
my personal opinion, not the opinion of any other university
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that I'm tied with or anything else, but I feel
like a BA is is not affirming care.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I think it.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I I've worked with a lot of clients who have
experienced a BA as children, and they come into adulthood
feeling very broken, feeling like there's always something wrong with them,
because a BA is focusing on trying to change behavior
in a.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Way that, yes, we all have some pull to.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Modify behavior, whether we get that from you know, our
social feedback or whatever you know, impetus that drives that.
But I feel like a BA is it's kind of
like dog training for people, and I feel it's very
defuitizing and it works.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
It works in younger populations.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
The problem is, as a society, we kind of have
this idea that like autism, just magically goes away when
you're eighteen and adult services are terrible and there's just
nothing there for people who are you know able to
because remember it's the spectrum, right, there's this range, and
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everybody kind of falls in different areas of needing support.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Whether that's.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
They need to live independently, they can't live independently, they
need to be at home, they might need support with
a job, or like myself, I get some accommodations at
my university, you know, but people look at me and
they're like, well, how can you be autistic? Like you
have a master's degree, you're in a PhD program, You're
highly verbal, you can carry on conversations, you're Mayriorge.
Speaker 8 (18:00):
You know.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
It's like, yeah, but I still need support.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
I still I still struggle with taking in the world.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
I like to be right a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
So far, but it's definitely impacted some of my you know,
social relationships along the line. When I didn't know, because
I wasn't diagnosed until my thirties, I was completely into
a list oh wow, which is common for.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I've been hearing that also that people have like really thirties,
forties and even later just finding out that's and it
amazes me that you that not that you've shared that
they have so many different specified lanes to help you know,
it's just seems like they definitely pinpoint something directly and
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know like you say, the eighty is or the or
the cookie cutter method. You know what I'm saying is
definitely that's specificfy for each person, and that's that's a
great thing.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
And once you once you get to adulthood, your option
is mental health therapy basically, so people will go to
a therapist and they'll talk to a therapist about their struggles.
And if the therapist doesn't catch autism, they don't see it,
they're not trained in it. They're gonna give a whole
bunch of ideas and strategies and wonderfully well meaning things,
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but when they don't work, because the way you process
information is differently and you need to be worked with
in a way that supports that, a therapist will end
up potentially doing harm to their client without meaning to,
because of course they think that they're a good job.
And I've had therapists where they've done the best they can,
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but they're giving me the tools and I can't access
the tools because the tools were not designed for the
way that my brain thinks. So I go to therapy
and I go therapy, and I think I'm doing therapy
wrong and what is wrong with me that I can't
get it? And then it sets up even more depression
and anxiety because then you're like, well, what what's so
wrong with me? Why can't I function? Why can't I
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you know, why can't I have friends the way that
other people have friends? And I can't even do therapy right, Like,
what is.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Wrong with me?
Speaker 4 (20:20):
And that's really challenging as a person to go through
life that way and that and it was curfinitly my road.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, it's very challenging trying to put the square peg
in the triangle hole.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yes, it's not going to work.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
You can put the corner in there, but that's about
all that's going in. Yep.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
And I have had a lifetime Everyone that knows me
will attest to this. I am a lifetime of being
out of the box and not fitting in the hole
that I should fit into.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Man, I mean, I happen to thrive on that part
of life, you know. But you know, I could definitely
understand the the sentiments of how it was expressed there
get into psychedelics. Now I've said this right. Last week
she said I had a right plus plasibn plus no plush.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah, help me out with.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
The following.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Active magic mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Okay, So.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
How have has that?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And they mentioned LSD been related to autism and therapy?
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Yeah, so not much actually, which is exciting for me
as a PhD student, and that's being my area of
research interest because there isn't much literature. I've spent some
time doing research on this area. And there were some
early early studies done back in the nineteen seventies where
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they gave kids with autism LSD late sixties, early seventies,
and of course this was before a lot of research
protocols were in place and before all psychedelic research got
shut down, but they did manage to get some studies done.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
It was very interesting.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
So what they saw was with psychedelic assisted therapy among
the kids, there was a reduction in some of the
more challenging behaviors that the kids would have, and there
was increased social connection. There was increased interactions with each
other and with the person providing the therapy. Once the
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therapy was done, over time, the behavior did return to
regress a bit, but it never returned back to the
baseline where it started. So that's interesting to see, Like
is there something that's that remains And I think, you know,
with silas cybin there are there aren't any active studies
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going on with autism as the focus right now, but
there was a study that was done in England where
they were asking about attitudes towards using silas ibin as
treatment for some of the challenging behaviors for autism. Because
the reality is is like, no, I don't propose I
(23:28):
am not a proponent of curing autism, but I think
that managing some of the symptoms making it easier to
manage life and you know, not have the world be
so overwhelming, and to have better social connections with people
and have better understanding of my own emotional state, right
Like that's where psychedelics can be extremely helpful. And what
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they found in that study was that there was a
high level of interest, more than sixty five percent of
people that responded. I think there was three hundred and
thirty one respondents and they they were like super interested
or you know interested, and then the rest were of
the disinterested category. But I thought that was that was
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fascinating that there seems to be a call for it.
One of the psychedelics that you didn't mention because it's
not what we would call a classic psychedelic. So there's
there's the classic psychedelics LSD, psilocybin, DMT, and mescaline, and
then there's the non classical, the non traditional psychedelics, things
(24:37):
like ketamine and MDMA. Yeah, part of the yes, So MDMA,
known as ecstasy or mollie, has been studied in UH.
There was a research study that was done by a
wonderful person at UCLA who was doing her dissertation and
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they went back and did some follow up studies with
that group. They were looking at MDMA for social anxiety
and artistic adults, and the research that has come out
of that has been fascinating. People took it. They were
not again interested in having a cure. They wanted to,
you know, work on some of those more troubling symptoms
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and that they were experiencing. And what they found was
that over ninety one out of the one hundred participants,
ninety one percent said that reported back that they when
they have used this psychedelic it is a positive experience
for them.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
So that's you.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
And then people were having great increase and empathy, increase
in understanding their own emotional state, increase in understanding others'
emotional states, feeling more settled in their body, feeling more hopeful, feeling.
And the cool thing was it lasted. So people were
(26:03):
saying on this thing, some people, I think it was
about twenty percent had these feelings last for more than
two years post experience with the psychedelic And we know
that from all the studies that MAPS was doing, which
is a multidisciplinary psychedelic company that Rick Doblin was in
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charge of that they were kind of, you know, working
on the FDA to approve MDMA assisted therapy.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
They have been working on that with.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
PTSD with veterans and people who have PTSD, and what
they showed in their clinical trials is that sixty seven
percent of people no longer meet the criteria for PTSD after.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Three sessions of MDMA with a therapist.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
And it's a phenomenal compound for work with trauma and
so relatedness.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
And however it works, I want to know.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
I'm fascinated because I feel like from a therapeutic standpoint,
that could make such a huge difference for my clients.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Wow, amazing, amazing, amazing. That's that's wild.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
So you say ecstasy does all that, I need to
go pop up pill. So I do do believe. I
saw that video of the professor in the UK who
did that study. I wanted to share that because it
was some great information in there, but it was ten
minutes long. There's no way I'm going to make anybody
(27:40):
shit through a tim minute video here. But I do
have one of a young man who wants to who
shared his experiences with a psychedelic.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
This is probably one of the most beneficial things that's
come for me taking psychedelics. And definitely, definitely, definitely why
I encourage autistic people to do psychedelics, even if that's
just weed, because weed is absolutely a psychedelic. So why
does that rock? It rocks because you get to hang
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out in a different brain space. Right, So we're as
in me and all the other autistic people, you maybe
we're existing in a different way of seeing and existing
in the world all of the time, all the time,
(28:38):
all of the time, and it's hard to even know
that there are other ways that the world can be seen,
Like you can know that on an intellectual level. But
to experience another way of being another like I'm gonna
(28:58):
call it like mind mode. To experience that is such
a big, big, big deal. Becomes much easier to imagine
that all these other people in the world, these neurotypical fools,
just have a different mode. They're just working on different chemicals,
the same way my brain works on different chemicals. When
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I take mushrooms, it's just a different set of rhythms.
And without that really vital experience of being able to
see the world through a completely different, really truly frame
of mind, I don't think I would have the same
appreciation for quite how different my autistic brain really is
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from other people. Knowing it's so different makes it easier
for me to do the things that I know are
healthy for me that might not be healthy for other people.
Like Honestly, if a lot of neurotypical people schedule their
lives like I schedule mind and it probably would be
a little bit of a sign of neurosis or something
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a little off. But for me it's necessary. And that's
one of about four million things I can think of
that I do to accommodate the mode that my brain
comes in, and I cannot emphasize how grateful I am
to psychedelics, that I have this deep appreciation for the
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fact that there are such diverse ways to see the world.
And the more I know that, the more I live that,
the more I know it in my heart and my soul,
like in my chest, the more I'm able to really
live a very authentic, autistic life and embrace the fact
that I'm just in a different mode. I'm out here
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doing something different than what they taught us, and that
is one hundred percent. Nope, I don't know. I won't
say it's the best perk of taking psychedelics as an
autistic person, but it's up there, because how do you
put a value on something leading you to just accept
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yourself and be healthier because you can be yourself. Yeah,
nothing but gratitude right now. And goodbye to you, Yeah,
goodbye to you. I really love you. I do even
at five thirty. In fact, more so at five thirty. Okay,
I love you, goodbye.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I must must.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I know for a fact they were on whatever psychedelics
they were referring to who.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
When they were doing this video, But.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
More confirmation that it seems to unlock a different pathway
or a room in mind that allows people to reach
a part of their journey that they might not have
reached without the psychedelics. More confirmation.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
So let me ask you do you have personally?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Can you share a personal experience of either yourself or
someone that you've worked with during therapy and the SoC
and how the psychedelics may have unlocked some something that
you weren't expecting even.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean I have it from both personal
and you know, professional experience. I'm going to speak from
a personal lens at the moment, just because it's easier
from my voice. And I would say that my experience
with psychedelics first and foremost saved my life because I
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was in that place going to a therapist and not
understanding why I couldn't move my life forward, why.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
I felt stuck.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
I had a lot of of trauma because our world
is just not designed for a young woman growing up
the way that I did, in the situation that I did,
not being understood and constantly being labeled with lots of
different things and not having them fit and you know,
just not being understood.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
And that is a common experience among women. And it
got to a point in my life my kids said,
I'll been diagnosed, and you know, it was sort of like, well,
I'm running, I'm running into the I just don't know
that I want to be here anymore. And and that's hard.
(33:40):
It's hard as an adult, it's hard as a parent.
It's hard to be in that spot. But I think
it's important to talk about because it's an experience that
more people have. And you know, look at my life now,
and I'm like, man, my life is really great. I mean,
I don't know if we curse here, but it's it's
it's really funny.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Your free, do whatever you want.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Yeah, my life.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
And and I couldn't say that to you.
Speaker 5 (34:07):
When I was in that space.
Speaker 9 (34:09):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
And and it didn't matter.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
You know, the things that I had accomplished, the things
that I had achieved. I didn't know myself. I I
didn't I didn't have that, and I got so much
from At first, I did ketamine and and that was
to break the depression. And ketamine definitely saved my life.
And then I decided to go off on my own
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and explore. And I was definitely the kid that was
never I mean, I never drank, I would I never
broke curfew. I was I was a good girl, not
a trouble maker. So I had and I had all
those messages from from growing up. If it drugs bad,
you know, don't do them. But I was following the research.
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I was paying attention. I was seeing the things that
they were doing at Hopkins with silos ibmin, and I
was seeing the stuff that was coming out with with
ketamine being approved for depression treatment. And I started doing
more research and I started looking at things and I'm like, man,
I wonder what this could do for me, you know.
And right around that time, Michael Pollins book came out,
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How to Change Your Mind, and I read it and
then he had there was a Netflix documentary special with
that on there and it was just like, I believe
that if it is the time for you to embark
on the psychedelic journey, the psychedelics will will let you
know that it's time. And so there were there were
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things that called to me to try and to take
a look at it, and everything gave me a different perspective.
Speaker 5 (35:50):
But I think it was so valuable.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
And like the video where the person was sharing how
you do you experience the world in such a different way,
and then you have the psychedelics and you experience yourself
in such a different way. I mean I remember I
remember taking Mollie and for a therapeutic purpose, like I
had the intention. I set it all up very specifically therapeutically,
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followed what MAPS was doing with how they were doing it,
you know, as best I could, because I didn't have therapist.
I was my own therapist. Don't don't try that at home, folks, you.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Know, no self therapizing, no, but you.
Speaker 5 (36:34):
Know, for me.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
It was necessary. And I remember this moment where I
felt that amygdala. So we have different parts of our brain, right,
So we got the prefrontal cortex where we have our
logic brain, and that's where we kind of do all
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daily living, all of that working memories kind of there.
But then we have the amygdala. So our migdala is
kind of like we call our lizard brain. That's our
that's our fight, flight, food and fuck brain.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
So that's survival.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
And a person who has a lot of trauma, a
person who has autism as well, they've they've done studies
that migdalas tend to be a little bit more overactive.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
You have mine activating right now. It's tingling yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Mark is very overactive. But the way that MDMA works,
it quiets that amygdala. And I remember sitting there going,
I am migdala is quiet. This is amazing. For the
first time in my life, I can just be and
I could just be present, and I could just be
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in my own skin without all of that noise and
that chatter and all of the things that were you know, pulling,
and in that space, I remember I remember saying to myself,
this is the therapy zone. This is the space where
I can explore why I am struggling with something or
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what is present. You know, close my eyes, go back
into myself and I would get that message of like,
I'm really okay, I'm really okay, and oh, this feeling
right here, this feeling is happiness. I didn't know what
that felt like. I had no clue, and I'm just like,
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this is amazing, this is wonderful. How could this benefit
and of course, being a therapist, how can this benefit
my clients?
Speaker 5 (38:47):
How do I get this.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Out into the world?
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Was what you to do?
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Just like the assurance company trying to make a book.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
No, I want everybody to feel what I felt in
that moment.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
I understand yeah, yeah, okay, that's right.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
That's so it kind of takes you to the process
zones and allows you to get out of your own
head of worry and dealing with not don't want to
just say everyday life, but dealing with life, you know, say,
it allows you to escape for a moment and did
have that experience to readjust yourself.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
But it's not.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Escaping because therapeutic psychedelic work is incredibly intense and very hard.
I mean it's not like it's not like going and
you know, dropping acid and going and partying at a rave,
right or taking molly and going to a ring like
it is a very different experience that it does require,
(39:50):
you know, someone trained, and thankfully I do have my
training and certification now in psychedelic assisted therapy because that
was one of the steps that I took in this
what can I do with my life?
Speaker 5 (40:02):
And yeah, I mean I see a potential for.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Making a lot of people, whether it's challenges with autism,
whether it's challenges with depression, whether it's challenges with substance use,
whether it's challenges with OCD. Being able to know who
you are, work with your brain to optimize whatever it
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is that you're up to in life.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
It doesn't matter. You don't have to get a PhD.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
You don't have to you know, want to want to
do something fabulous, but you know how you are in
your own life is fabulous in itself. And so many people,
like we talked about at the beginning, this comparative idea.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
You know, we're.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Always comparing human to human, like you do that better
than I do, and whatever, and psychedelics. One of the
big gifts of that is turned down. I wouldn't say
it's turned off, but it is turned down. So much
of that comparing drive that just seems to be present,
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especially when you've lived a life feeling like you were
not given the same manual that everyone else got. I mean,
I remember saying that when I was thirteen years old,
y'all got a social manual that I didn't get. But
feel that way for forty years.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
Right, And so to be able to just.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Be with my friends and be like, you are a
phenomenal human being, and I see you, and I see
the potential in you, and I see all of the
amazing things in you, and I see them in myself
because we're not so different, just because my brain processes
things a little bit different, and I have a hard
time with you know, food touching on my plate.
Speaker 5 (41:55):
We still have.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
You in the perspectives that we bring to the table.
And so often people with autism, people with disabilities, they're
not seen for their value, They're seen for their deficit.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, I can understand that, Like you're never going to
ask the guy who touched your shirt and hiss pants
where to go? Uh? Where to what cool bar to
hang out at? You know, like that that kinter correlates.
But thank you for sharing that, and also thank you
for having the strength to find that help and pull
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yourself out of that.
Speaker 3 (42:38):
You know, that's that's not anything to take lightly.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Those are those are some amazing struggles and even more
amazing feats, you know.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
So that's a that's a survivor story in my book.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
So thank you for.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Being a great survivor.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I appreciate that what.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
I got, I got.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
You might need to do an autobiography of something, you
know what I'm saying to get the people.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
In that actually.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
See there you go when when it's woke up more
than once, that must mean something. So you kind of
touched on it a little bit about the future of
the psychedelics.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
How do you feel that if.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
The future might look like when it comes to the
psychedelic and association with treatment and the therapies and even
autism directly.
Speaker 8 (43:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (43:36):
So, I mean one of the big things right now
is there's so much research that's going on, and we
have states that are making initiatives for you know, decriminalizing
you know, silos cybin there. You know, Oregon has a
silos cybin initiative, Colorado has a silos cyberin initiative. Massachusetts
on their ballot it did it didn't pass, but you know,
(43:59):
they're there is a movement in our country. And I
think that has come from, you know, a bit from
the cannabis because I you know, with the person that
was doing the video, I kind of also agree that
cannabis is kind of a non traditional psychedelic. I mean,
it's plant medicine for sure, but you can have some
psychedelic features at times with it, I think, depending on
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and whatever. But I think I think it's kind of
that was definitely a foundation, and I think I think
people that are looking at how do we how do
we open this up, you know for therapy purposes. I mean,
I know, maps they're not licos, but they were looking,
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you know, very much at how do we get this
into the FDA, and they're so close, and you know,
they just have to revise some things and and redoce
some of the studies. But hopefully, I know, silos Ibin
is also in that process of trying to be you know,
a pro like.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
It's right up there. It's basically a Colorado.
Speaker 4 (45:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean Colorado said, you know, we're going
to do it our way, and that's what we're going
to do. And I and I know that there are
other states and places where it's been decriminalized, you know,
and arbor and yeah, there's I mean even here in
Nevada they have they have a working Medicines Board that's
looking at psychedelics that's going to be bringing it up
to our legislature in twenty twenty five because there was
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a bill last year. And that's it's it's so it's
it's gaining some momentum, right and I think looking at
it from a perspective of how can we do this
for supported you for people to who have trauma who
aren't being able to you know, access resources, you know,
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how can we get them connected with a therapist. I mean,
I work in academine clinic and it's great and I
love I love supporting my academine clients, but there's an access,
you know, issue barrier because of money. It's it's expensive
and worth it to put it into yourself, right Like
I would say, you know, I think that there's a
benefit to that. But everybody can do that, and unfortunately,
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a lot of people who have significant mental health challenges
struggle with, you know, making it in life. They have
a hard time holding jobs and having steady income and
finding places that they fit to do the things that
they want to do. And you know, there's a lot
of systemic issues that come with with with some of
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these challenges, especially if you're autistic. I mean, I don't
want to get you with a bunch of stats about
autism and underemployment and employment issues, but it's it's a huge.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Isa people without mental issues have problems with all it stuff.
Speaker 3 (46:44):
So people wouldn't do that.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
And I'm certainly not going to sit here and say, like,
you know, everybody in the world needs to go and
take psychedelics, right, like there are the Leary back in
the day was like, let's put it in, let's put
LSD in the drinking water. Okay. That's except if you
have a family history of psychosis, we don't need to
trick that out, you know. Or if you have high
blood pressure, taking psychedelics not a good idea.
Speaker 5 (47:09):
They raise your.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Blood like everybody does.
Speaker 4 (47:14):
No, and people that you know don't need it. But
you know, I think there are people that could benefit
from it that aren't you know, artistic, or have significant
mental health issues, especially as you get older, because your
brain just wants to stay in its own little, happy,
little you know, zone, and we get our pathways are
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just so in a rut that even if you want
to switch out of it and try something new, your
brain's like, yeah, no, I'm good. But if you take
psycholic it creates a whole opportunity for you be able
to jump out of that track.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Man, I'll bet by the time I finished this psychedelic
this series, I'm going to be on some.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
It's just I'm not in this.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
It's crazy that I laugh at that, because it's not
really on like any type of party mode thing. But
it's just the information that I've been getting from it.
It seems like I'm missing a part of myself that
I might need to unlie it just it keeps coming
back to this feeling. Even with last week the person
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Melissa that we had talked about the laws and the
stuff and the changing in Colorado, and it was just
like the way that it's laid out, it seems that
there are great benefits and as all things, you should
do your own personal research to see how it fits
into your life, into your health, because that's where it
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matters the most for you personally, is like not for everybody.
Speaker 4 (48:46):
And I want to address something with that really quickly
if I may. You know, we people talk a lot about, like,
you know, fear around psychedelics, because we had this whole
conversation you take acid, your brain's gonna melt or you
know you're gonna off a building or you know you're
going to melt into a picture or whatever. You know,
we have these ideas, and I would say that what
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I believe, you know, people talking about I don't want
to have a bad trip, right, So I believe that
it is absolutely essential that you do your homework around
whatever it is that you want to take. And I'm
not advocating for anyone to take anything, but if you
were to choose to do that. Know what you're getting into.
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We support it. Never do it alone. Have make sure
that your setting is very important. Do it in a
quiet space with music you know, and close your eyes
and let yourself go inward for the thing. It's not
a social experience therapeutic use with psychedelics. If you want
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to get something from it, you have to put in
the work. You need to set an intention, you need
to be in a good a place in your mind.
Speaker 5 (50:02):
Even if you're.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
Struggling right like you're struggling with depression, you're having a
bad time, you still have to take it at a
time where you know that you're you're not gonna have
a bad trip. Because I don't believe that there are
bad trips. I think there are really tough trips. I
think there are challenging experiences. But it's what you learn
from those experiences after the fact that integration piece is
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so important. People have these experiences the light bulb goes
off in their head or they're like, man, I saw
some really fucked up shit and I don't know what
it means, and then it just turns into yet another
you know, experience that they had and they didn't capture
the magic of the situation. And that's where therapy is
so important, because you take that into a therapist and
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you journal about it and you bring it in and
then you can talk about it and then you can
figure out, how do I make that present in my life?
What do I do to keep that alive, that sense
of I am okay? You know, like I never believed
that I was good enough. I never believed that I
was good enough. I was always comparing and always you know,
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going after it. And I did acid one time in
my life, and the thing that I got from it,
I tattooed on my body and it says I am enough.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
I am enough, all right, good asset And it was.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
Phenomenal and that was the lesson and you know it
just but I had to keep believing it. I had
to keep deepening that. I had to keep you know,
getting that message and then being like, yeah, you know,
and I am I am totally enough. I always was enough,
And I want that for everybody.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
You know.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
That's what I want for my clients, That's what I
want for other people's clients. That's what I That's why
I'm giving my life to this study and I will
study this and tell the day that I no longer
draw breath on this planet and I am in another
level of consciousness. That is, That is how and how
important I feel psychedelics is as a therapeutic tool.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Wow, amazing, amazing, amaz We're gonna have to have you
back and rent when we do the panel and get
all the psychedelic experts in, and I'm just gonna sit
in the corner and shut up because y'all gonna be
talking about stuff that is way over my head and
I'll be taking notes. Who I'm gonna need it. I'm
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gonna need it. I'm gonna need it. Well, we're gonna
touch onto this next segment here, we're gonna get into
a little bit of the physical healthness when it comes
to the psychedelic side. Another part of mental health is wealth.
Is we take care of our physical bodies also, that
is very very important. And also we're going to incorporate
a little bit into the kids with autism today. So
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thanks for allowing that opportunity to come up with the
topics today. But let's see how let's check this psychedelic
room hopes.
Speaker 7 (53:00):
I'm on display at Mary Hospital. That's blending sights sounds
and textures and aromas. It is a multi century experience
designed for children with autism and other cognitive conditions in
today's Patrick's people. Patrick Clark gets a first hand feel
for the room that is turning heads and opening minds.
Speaker 9 (53:20):
These are really just lights.
Speaker 10 (53:22):
Patty Morrow has a room that might rival a Pink
Floyd laser light show, but this isn't in an arena.
This hands on experience is at Mercy Children's Hospital and
it's the only one of its kind in the Midwest.
Speaker 9 (53:35):
This room is really intended to allow a child, you know,
to experience all five of their senses, something that I
think we often take for granted. We're always experiencing sensory input.
Speaker 10 (53:47):
It's known as a snozzle in room, a Dutch word
formed by the two therapists who founded the concept. It's
for children on the autistic spectrum and those who have
cognitive delays.
Speaker 9 (53:57):
It's just a calming sort of for kids that might have,
you know, episodes of getting agitated and can't express themselves.
What a great way to kind of distract them from
that and just get them engaged. And they get really
fascinated with the fiber optics.
Speaker 8 (54:16):
Right.
Speaker 10 (54:18):
Lights, dance on the ceiling, in your hands and all
around you. Thanks to a grant from the Variety Children's Charity.
Through Expression and Exploration, children can use all five senses
and it's easy to see how this addition is a plus.
Researchers have proven that lights, aroma, and sound can soothe
the body and reduce stress. And just speaking from personal experience,
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I don't really want to leave this room.
Speaker 9 (54:44):
There's multiple games, a lot of them focus on fine
motor skills, you know, memory. There's there's some memory games
in there for the kids, but they get to touch
and move that around much like you know we do
on our iPhones.
Speaker 10 (54:59):
And that's the goal of this nozzle and room, a
place for children to thrive and grow in a safe environment.
And that makes a lot of sense, all five.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Of them, to be exact.
Speaker 10 (55:10):
Patrick Clark, News eleven.
Speaker 2 (55:17):
Okay, that happens to be right here in Saint Louis, Missouri.
So I think I got a trip to take. It
looks very comforting and soothing, and I can't I almost
fell asleep watching that video.
Speaker 3 (55:28):
I can't even run.
Speaker 4 (55:31):
Relaxed room like that in my house because I have,
you know, myself and my kids and there's like it's
all black lights. The walls are painted black. I have,
you know, black light light strips of playing.
Speaker 5 (55:44):
We have laser lights.
Speaker 4 (55:45):
We have a swing that hangs down, and all sensory
things to kind of like just help soothe your system.
I'm a big, big fan of having that space for.
Speaker 5 (55:58):
For anybody, For me to help some and my.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
Kids, but.
Speaker 5 (56:04):
I think everybody can benefit from that.
Speaker 4 (56:05):
In our world right now is so chaotic.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
If I was one of your kids and you came home,
you know where I'd be every day, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
Where's Doc. He's in the room, you know it. Why
does it smell like that in here? You know why?
Speaker 2 (56:29):
Let's see here what we got How to exercise improves
emotional regulation. There's a lot that I pulled this out
because regulation is.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
A common word that I was getting in.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Uh these looking up these topics on auto them.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
It's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (56:49):
And even with the just the psychedelics alone, the regulation
is definitely a part of that.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
Exercise increased levels.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Of dopamine and endorphins in the brain reduces Oh, here
comes one of those words I can't say, cortisol and
adrenaline levels in the brain, which are associated with stress,
the combination results and the brain being primed for optimal
self regulation. Oh no, I'll skip one. And this mood
is improved and anxiety decreased because Endorphents are natural mood lifters,
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and the combination results and the brain being primed for
optimal self regulation.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
What do you think about that there?
Speaker 5 (57:28):
I think it's great. I think I think that's why.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
You know, when I talked about OT, A lot of
OT's work with you know, proprioceptive movement and vestibular movement.
Those are types of senses that we also have in
our body, and you know, it does help with regulation
if you're if you're moving, you know, like you see
a lot of people rock, right, that's one of those
hype autistic behaviors. Well, you're helping your nervous system. You're
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helping your nervous system process all the world because you
is overwhelmed.
Speaker 5 (57:59):
If you ever watched have you ever watched dogs fight?
Speaker 4 (58:05):
From dog the animals at the you know, the at
the the nature shows where the animals are all playing
at the water hole and they're all like, you know, stomping,
and what.
Speaker 10 (58:16):
Do they do?
Speaker 5 (58:18):
What do they do right after that?
Speaker 2 (58:21):
Before they shake they shake it off and oh okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (58:30):
As human beings, we don't shake enough. So our nervous
systems are just constantly, constantly on alert. But if we
shake it off with movement, dancing, running, jumping, moving around,
getting yourself you know, I'm not going to sit here
and be like, yes, exercise will cure your depression, but
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it will help your nervous system. It will help your
nervous system relax. So our nervous systems are always always
on alert, especially artistic.
Speaker 3 (59:02):
I literally do that.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
I'll literally I'll be walking up the street, I feel
like something just ain't right with me.
Speaker 3 (59:09):
I will stop and I will shake myself off.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
I literally do that like three times a day.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
If I'm on bad days.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
That is. Some of the days I don't even do it,
but yeah, when I'm having some bad moments in life, yeah,
I literally stop and shake stuff off and it helps. Wow.
Speaker 4 (59:29):
And that's why this is just crazy.
Speaker 3 (59:33):
This just I'll tell you, I'm amazed every time.
Speaker 2 (59:37):
It's just little tidbits, the little stuff that pick up
and that that lets you know that there's more to unlock.
Speaker 3 (59:42):
That just lets you know that there's mountains.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
More to touch on that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (59:47):
I love it. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
All right, Well, let's help some kids with autism possibly
get in shape and stay healthy. We have here kids
seven minute. This is another one Hiit I need. I
should have googled that because that popped up a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
I don't know what that's an act.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
That has to be an acronym for something, because that
comes up a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
I've been seeing.
Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Hiit workout, but this is the Hiit workout for self regulation.
Said at interval, Timer and compete each animal movement for
forty five seconds, within fifteen seconds of rest in between.
Do as many as you can. Number one, we have
frog jumps. You hop hop back and forth like a frog.
Number two you have the barrel walk, hands and feet
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on the floor, high hips, walk left and right. Number
three you have the gorilla shuffle, sinking to a low
sumo squad with hands on the floor, shuffling around the room.
Sound like you're scratching your butt, but we're gonna not
judge people here starfish jumps. Number four jumping jacks as
fast as you can with arms and legs.
Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Bread Hey, I'm about to do a few of these
as soon as we get off.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Air a cheetah run, run in place as fast as
you can, just like the fastest ana. One is the
horror crab crawl. Number six sit and place your palms
flat on the floor behind you near your hips, lift
up off the ground and crawl. And number seven the
elephant snumps march in place, lift your knees as high
(01:01:17):
as you can.
Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
And stumble on the ground as hard as you can.
So don't sound like fun for some kids to go
through that. It's not exercise.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
That's just clowning around. But if it gets you in shave, hey,
go ahead and knock yourself out and it'll help with
figure you've done any of those.
Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Yeah, I do something you know in the in the
hi T is high intensity interval training. I think, oh,
and that's kind of how you know people are looking
at working out now. But I think the important thing
from your clip there was that it was for self regulation.
And so again you're in that space of the way
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that you're processing the world, you start getting overwhelmed, you're
shutting down, or you're having big emotion. You know, kids
are having meltdowns or adults are having meltdowns.
Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
You know, getting out some of that.
Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Overwhelm in your system, Lowering that cortisol, lowering those adrenaline,
that adrenaline, those activities will help do that. So I
do various things with that, and I think I think
it would benefit a lot of people, kids, teens, adults.
Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Okay, I'm gonna try a long I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Try a long shot here. I'm gonna try Steph's curry. So,
in your professional opinion, does that would that correlate to
kind of lost? My trainer thought there that quick. But
what that kind of correlate to? How a person is
transferring energy? Is that kind of the same thing, like
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how we're all balls of energy and once we get
that out, it has to go somewhere else, but it's
not enough anymore.
Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
Yeah, yeah, smart.
Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
I think?
Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
And a person with autism, an autistic individual, h they're
kind of like the extremes, right, So you have people
that don't have enough energy at all, like you can't
you can't get motivated, you can't get.
Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
Going, you don't have energy.
Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
Or you have people lots and lots and lots of
energy and then they're taken in the world and they
and they have all this extra energy to give.
Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
So if you're stomping around like an elephant.
Speaker 4 (01:03:35):
You're giving that energy someplace to go.
Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
You're getting it.
Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
Out of your body physically. And I and my clients
would all say like I am the first one to
be like, get yourself into child's pose and do some
deep breathing and do some boga, do some cat cow do,
do some stomps, go walk around, go outside, you know,
do some jumping jacks.
Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
I give this a to my clients.
Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Wow, amazing. We getting some scientific, groundbreaking information here today
on mental health as wealth.
Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
I love it. I actually go get my PhD. What
do you know?
Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Well, that's but not least. We're gonna jump into our
financial segment of mental health as.
Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Wealth to end the day off.
Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Since we are talking about we kind of got onto
the kids area, we're going to start with. We're going
to talk today about investing for your kids, especially right now.
It's been coming up a lot with five to twenty
nine plans, with the open enrollment just passing, with a
(01:04:46):
lot of people's jobs they're looking at these benefits. So
I know a lot of five twenty nine and four
to one k's have been opened up recently. So congratulations
to the people who have made those steps and continue
to maximize their contributions and at their companies match. Good job,
keep it up. But we're gonna start off with oh yeah,
(01:05:07):
there we go. The Financial Vibes post for invest in
your kid's future. In three steps, you can set your
kids up for success. Number one is open an investment
account where your child is born. Some of this is
another language, because I guess they sure this with other countries,
but popular account types are brokera's accounts. Those type brokeri's
(01:05:28):
accounts allow you to invest with your child's moneies, so
that gives it the greatest potential of growth. Some other
directions might be to save, which is a very conservative option.
Your money's not going to be lost most likely, but
it's not going to grow at least at the rate
of inflation, so you're losing a little bit there. Just
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keep that in mind. Number two, invest in low cost
index fund that tracks nifty put rs five thousands per month,
so basically you have low index funds that are comprised
most mutual funds where you can just put money and
let other people manage it. They decide when something's not
doing good, they taking money out putting it somewhere else
(01:06:10):
where it is doing good. So you really just pay
a person to manage that money for you.
Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
That's just an idea.
Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Step number three, become a hero and your kids twenty
first birthday, his account balance will be there, so you
transfer that money over other vehicles such as five twenty
nine plans allow you to transfer those moneys before child
reaches twenty one, perhaps UPMA accounts you team and as
Union four transfers to minor acts also allows you to
(01:06:37):
transfer money sometimes before they reach twenty one, and some
accounts allow you to hold the money up until their
age of twenty five and either later if the account
allows such. So look into those options, consult with your
local or any financial professionals that you have access to,
and make sure that you're getting yourself into the correct
plan for you and your child. We have help your
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child retire early. So this is not necessarily directly with
financing for college per se, but this is just getting
your child on the right track for life. Maybe not
all kids go to college, not all kids go to
grade school. Some kids just need bail money. Let's be real, sorry,
it is what it is. So we have three different
(01:07:25):
options here. That would give a scale to show what
shows at the age of eighteen and also at the
age of fifty with moneies.
Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
And these are not.
Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Savings. I can tell from the way that these work.
These are not savings. These are definitely some sort of
movement vehicles. But fifty dollars per month will result in
twenty five thousand, five hundred and ninety two dollars after
eighteen years and at age fifty with no more contributions.
If that money was to sit saved or invest it,
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the amount would potentially reach up to six hundred thousand,
three hundred and sixty one hundred and eighty five dollars.
So for the same scale, seventy five dollars per month
at the age of eighteen forty two, eight hundred and
eighty eight dollars could scale up with no more contributions
at the age of fifty to nine hundred thousand, five hundred,
nine hundred, five thousand, five hundred and twenty seven dollars,
which is basically is a million. You know what I'm saying.
(01:08:24):
Add a few pennies in there, you got a million.
Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
No problem, one hundred dollars a month.
Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
That's just a mere twenty five dollars a week, and
I know your child is worth it. Just at the
end of every week, put twenty five dollars into an account.
Let it work for you one hundred dollars a month.
At the age of eighteen, you potentially have the amount
of fifty seven one hundred and eighty four dollars, which
is well over a million at the age of fifty
with no more contributions, just letting that money sit there.
So with the idea that you put that money to
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work in some sort of investments, split fifty fifty, seventy
five to twenty five, whatever, Let that money work, Put
it in the house, buy some real estate.
Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
Something's going to grow with.
Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
At least the rate of inflation. You set your child
up for life and they barely got to work. They
just go to work. You know what I'm saying. They
can be happy. And that's what we all want for
our kids. I know is what I want for my kids.
I don't know what you want, but I know it
is exactly what I want from my kids. How do
how do you you personally, becks, Have you done any
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investment for your children or yourself?
Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
They had any personal experiences to share with that.
Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
Yeah, So when you have kids with autism, it's a
little bit different because if you're receiving any sort of
benefits the kids actually have in their name. But recently,
one of the things that has come about is an
able account and I'm not sure if you're familiar with those, yes,
but those are those are options for for children who
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have challenges and disabilities. So, you know, I was, I
was using some things, you know, for my kids, just
to be able to help them along the way. But
my kids were on state uh state support for a
long time. I'm for their challenges, so we didn't end
up being able to do that for them. But we're,
you know, we're.
Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
Doing what we can now.
Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
And I have a young man who is twenty three now,
and you know, he lives with me and he works,
and you know, we're having these conversations now about how
to help set him up, you know, for himself as
he gets older into retirement. So those conversations are absolutely happening,
and they're very very important. I would just want to
make sure that you don't put your if your kids
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are receiving you know, SSI or any state benefits, you know,
Medicaid waivers or.
Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Things like that for just in your account.
Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
Don't you know, make sure that you're protecting that money.
Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Yes, absolutely, don't play with it because the government keeps
an eye on that greatly. Yes theyah, just be clear,
those options that I presented are all on the broker
side of the money. You have a banking side which
presents more products and different types of functions. So definitely,
like I said, look at all of your options and
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see what fits best for you and your personal situations
about But yes, of course, again, thank you so much
for joining us today sharing this information.
Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
I really hope we have.
Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
We have been talking so much about this panel, so
I really hope we can get you in on that
because this is just too much, too much. The process
is a lot of information, and I'm so excited to
get more and get more every single time.
Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
But again, thank.
Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
You for joining us and sharing the information and your
insights for our audience. I know somebody learned something because
I did. I learned something, so that one person learns something,
that's good enough of me I do. I just want
to take a second for anybody who's interested and jumping
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on the podcast or any of the platforms, send us
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through our system here, but do appreciate your views and
everybody until next time. Your mental health is your wealth.
Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
See you. Then this.
Speaker 8 (01:12:36):
Depression sunshine.
Speaker 11 (01:12:51):
And it stopped in my heart and it feels like a.
Speaker 8 (01:12:54):
Cold nice.
Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
Amy.
Speaker 11 (01:13:03):
There is a loud and the joy that you promised.
Speaker 12 (01:13:06):
To tell me so right, God be honest with you.
Speaker 11 (01:13:11):
Mostly can't explay fell from head that the shower.
Speaker 8 (01:13:20):
When I think, come much better.
Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
I'm gonna beleeve when this is over.
Speaker 13 (01:13:25):
Even though I see I smile.
Speaker 8 (01:13:29):
God, It's like even though blah.
Speaker 13 (01:13:34):
Blah, what you do, I smile?
Speaker 8 (01:13:36):
Come on, smile so forgetting down.
Speaker 12 (01:13:42):
So I hate to sing again down God's people so much.
Speaker 13 (01:13:47):
Hell just smile so sid.
Speaker 10 (01:13:51):
Every day gon be fun.
Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
But it is still from me today.
Speaker 14 (01:13:54):
Don't have to come day.
Speaker 8 (01:13:59):
But there was no sunshine.
Speaker 11 (01:14:03):
Noting the clowns and it stuff in the hot and
it feels like a cold night.
Speaker 12 (01:14:08):
It ain't easy, but today's aday, tell me where.
Speaker 8 (01:14:15):
Where is that love? Y'all?
Speaker 11 (01:14:16):
It was love?
Speaker 9 (01:14:17):
And the joan that you promised me.
Speaker 11 (01:14:19):
Tell me is alright?
Speaker 8 (01:14:23):
The almost a power can't explay goes with y'all.
Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
From the shower.
Speaker 8 (01:14:34):
I know we've hurt, child, but you still.
Speaker 12 (01:14:38):
Come home even though I see, I see.
Speaker 13 (01:14:43):
Is working so found, even though I'm.
Speaker 12 (01:14:48):
Skill should hate to see again down because.
Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
People us this.
Speaker 8 (01:15:03):
Ghost.
Speaker 13 (01:15:09):
Who can't you just smile.
Speaker 12 (01:15:15):
Whatever you're in right now, smile you just smile.
Speaker 8 (01:15:28):
And the people say.
Speaker 13 (01:15:31):
Feelings, feelings, feelings understand I say, feelings understanding.
Speaker 12 (01:15:42):
When and while you're waiting us? Yeah, and why you praying?
Look in the mirror, always remember them when I almost
but it goes over you hang out from chase difficulties.
(01:16:11):
Here's the storms. This is what I do. Whatevereels good?
Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
All things are working.
Speaker 12 (01:16:24):
Still, Louia, I know it's not right now because you're
a winner. To look better, tell us.
Speaker 14 (01:16:44):
New Orleans, come, Cleveland, Detroit, Here, Feelers, Jersey, Hell, all
the people say so, I'm just kind.
Speaker 13 (01:17:06):
Of things side.
Speaker 8 (01:17:09):
And see.
Speaker 12 (01:17:09):
I just don't want you to be happy and then
you gotta have something happened there. I want you to
have joy because can't nobody take that coun of you.
Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
I'll see you smiling
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