RICHARD LAWRENCE: The Aetherius Society, UFO Contact, & Why the World’s Not Ready for the Truth

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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My guest on the show today, Richard Lawrence is an
award winning international best selling author and spiritual teacher, frequently
appearing in the media as a renowned expert in his
field who has shared as unique an extraordinary expertise in
psychic and spiritual techniques, including mediumship, with thousands of truth
seekers around the world at countless workshops, lectures, seminars and

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retreats for over forty years. Richard is also the Executive
Secretary of the Ethereous Society for Europe and Africa, the
oldest UFO contact organization in Britain and possibly the world,
on a mission to spread and act upon the spiritual
teaching of advanced extraterrestrials which were received through the mediumship

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of his advanced spiritual teacher, Master of Yoga, doctor George King,
between nineteen fifty five and nineteen ninety seven. And if
you'd like to learn more about Richard, go to Richard
Lawrence dot co dot u K. And with that, I

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welcome Richard Lawrence to the dare To Dream Show. It
is so great to have you.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Thank you very much, Debbie. I'm very impressed by all
those of the sounds fantastic.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Oh, it's so so much going on. Yeah, And I
think that is because this is our time. I feel
you and I this conversation. Once upon a time it
was not very kuth to talk about, but it is
becoming more and more mainstream to talk about advanced civilizations,

(05:22):
extraterrestrials you are foes, and even psychicomediumship.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I've seen a massive change. Yeah, agreed. I mean I
remember talking, say, in the eighties, in nineteen eighties and nineties,
you talk about governments covering up the truth about UFOs,
which they did and which is now known, and you'd
be laughed at for just saying that governments don't lie,
governments don't cover up. Now, if I went out now

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and I said, governments are telling you the truth, you
can believe them, they think I was mad now to
say that. So things have changed a lot, But there's
no question people are more open and people are having experiences.
And that's the thing I think, don't you That really
makes people realize this isn't just theory, it's not a
matter of faith. Even this is a real thing that

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I can experience.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yea indeed, thousand percent, more and more people, more and
more stories. And so how about you, You've had a
fascinating life. What was your personal journey going into spirituality
and mediumship.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Well, first of all, I woke up one morning. I
will never forget it. I just woke up. I was
aged fourteen. I had a great life by the way,
you know, I didn't have problem childhood, nothing at all.
My parents were great though, we had enough money. I
had a great education. I had lots of friends and
lots to do. But I woke up one morning and
I thought, what's the point of life? What's the purpose

(06:51):
of life? And I actually thought some people might be
able to tell me. And I was at a school
in England where it was very close to the traditional
church in England. It's in Canterbury, and it's close to
the cathedral there and the archbishop, the main the head
of the church is there, and so I had access

(07:12):
to the highest people in the church. I was even
considering being a priest, was you know, in that sort
of atmosphere. And I found they couldn't answer what I
would regard as very basic questions. For example, I said this,
I said this to the dean of the cathedral at
the time. I haven't actually met anybody yet that I

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really think belongs in Heaven or hell, because these are
the two options, you know, And heaven was a nice
place where you go and you have grapes and you
have angels you and if you're lucky, you get a
good harp you know, and basically you lie around on
some sort of kind of sofa or something, and that's

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what it seemed to be. And I said, look, I
don't know anyone who'd even be happy there. You know,
they'd want to watch football, or they'd want to, you know,
find out what's in the soap opera? What's you know? That?
Isn't that? That? That can't be? And then on the
other hand, I haven't yet met anybody who really belongs
in hell either. Those were your two options, Heaven and
Hell and a place called purgatory, which isn't properly explained

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at all. I haven't met anyone who needs to be
burnt forever at a stake in Hell and prodded by
a devil. So what happens to everybody else? What happens
that you know, they're not saints, they're not real gross
sinners either. Where do they go? And this was the
dean of the catheter. I thought this was a simple question,

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but he couldn't answer it at all. I mean, I
know now, partly because I've spoken myself and received communications
from what dozens of people who have physically died, and furthermore,
like a lot of other people I've had out of
body experiences and gone there, so I know a bit

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more now. But then I didn't, and I asked other questions.
I mean, just to give one other example, and these
must be questions people ask all the time, like if
Jesus is the one and only son of God, why
were people born over two thousand years ago at all?
Why would they be born and not given the one

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and only path to God? What's the point of their life?
What about people who never hear about this and so?
And he couldn't answer that either. So I thought, I
can't do this, and I started my search, and at
the age of eighteen, at university, I found the path

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that answered these questions I looked into and I'm still
very interested in Eastern religions. Yoga. You say you tie
in with shamanic practice. I would say I tie my
extra threshold belief in with yogic practice. And and yoga
goes far much further than physical exercise, keep fit, healthy,
et cetera. Have tone your body up or whatever. It's

(10:10):
a it's a deep philosophy of great wisdom. It needs
up great updating. That's a controversial thing, maybe, but it does.
But that's all it's it's a great, true, profound philosophy.
So I came across Dr George King's teachings then, and
Dr George King was the founder of the Ethereist Society.

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In fact, at the university I went to there was
the Ethereist Society was incorporated into the union of the university,
and the students before I got there had voted by
a majority to accept the authority of interplanetary Parliament.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Oh that's a that's remarkable.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I don't and you and on the basis of that vote,
I mean they I don't think they knew. I mean
it was the hippie period and people having doing a
lot of things and saying things, but nevertheless they voted.
And so because of that, the ethericide he was part
of the Union of that university. So I found all
my answers there and very soon actually met doctor King

(11:17):
because I would then go home in the holidays nearer
to London. He would come over to London every summer
and I would be around. He'd look around and there
I was. You know, I was only eighteen, and then
I got to know when I was nineteen, I started
having lunch with him. There was well, there weren't a
lot of people around in the week daytime because of money.

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I mean people had to do jobs and things. He
was there as one or two people there, and I
was there on my holiday from university, so I got
known very early on. But I wouldn't have believed then
I'd end up being the person who co authored his
last book, which is this book Contacts with the Gods
from Space, although years later the last book he published

(12:02):
in his lifetime, I should say, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
So.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
I spoke in Glastonbury, England last year. I'm going to
speak there again in twenty twenty six, and after I spoke,
a gentleman who was a fellow speaker, Ananda Siri Senna,
came up to speak to me afterwards. We had so
much in common with extraterrestrials and UFOs, and he is

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also a member of the Ethereous Society.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
He runs one of our groups here.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, he's incredibly kind. He sent me, you know, I
think these things are perfect how they happen, because now
you're here right, there's a reason why this is happening.
And he would send me links to Ethereas Society, to
doctor George King, some of his videos and so forth.
And I was very moved by doctor George King, this

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very brave man, speaking about what he spoke about at
a time. I mean, you're talking about the hippie period,
but I mean we're going way.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Back for him, nineteen fifties, like.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
And way television. He was being interviewed on talk shows.
So tell the audience anyone who may not know who
was doctor George King.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Sure, and I will say that a colleague of mine,
Brian Canepe who runs the American headquarters or he's the
secretary of it, and I'm over here in Europe. We
co authored We knew him well. I was certainly one
of his closest friends, which was a great honor, tremendous privilege.
I only say that because he said it to me,
Otherwise I wouldn't say that lightly. We co authored his biography,

(13:44):
The King Who Came to Earth, which is also an
audio book as well, by the way, and people can
get an insight into this amazing man. It's very advanced.
What I would say about him is is that he's
the real thing. And that might sound a strange thing
to say, but there are a lot of claims out there,
and I'm certainly not saying, and he would never say

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he's the only genuine contact. He never said anything like that.
But there are a lot of people who aren't should
we say qualified. I speak as someone who's done a
lot of mediumship myself, and they believe it. I'm not
saying they're lying or making it up. They believe it.
They're having experiences and some of them, you know, they

(14:31):
are a bit of their own imagination, maybe a bit
of something that's true. And I think everyone who's looked
into this movement has come across this, and it's something
to say. Really, it does make it more difficult for
the new serious investigator because they have to find out
for themselves what's true, what isn't, what's well intended but
not quite true, what is a bit of both. But

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with doctor King, he was already a master of yogas
where the yoga bit comes back, before he ever started
to be their medium. And by the way, as you
rightly said, he was channeling extraterrestrial intelligences in public in
nineteen fifty five in London, which was very conservative at

(15:18):
the time. I mean, you didn't go post if you
were going to post a letter, you put jacket and
Tye on just to go down the road. You know,
younger people can't imagine that these things, but that was
what happened in England. You know, not that I was
around much, but you know, I'd only just been born,
but he was doing that then, and he was a
shy person. As I said, I knew him very I

(15:40):
got to know him very very well. We spoke together
on the phone every day. If I wasn't with him
in America or if he wasn't in England, we would
speak every day pretty much for twenty years, the last
twenty years of his life. So I got to know
him very very well, indeed, and I traveled with him
a lot. And I know he was strange thing because

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he was completely confident. He knew what he was, he
knew who he was. He didn't he wasn't guessing. He knew.
He'd had genuine contacts. They were completely proven and provable,
and he'd kept a record of them. I actually believe
he didn't even come from this world. He never claimed that,

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but that's absolutely I have no doubt about that at all.
He was absolutely completely the real thing. I could say
so much, but he'd have to stop me because I
won't stop if you get me going on, doctor King.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
It's glowing and I agree with you. I agree with
everything you said. So explain to us what made doctor
George King's connection to extraterrestrials so profound. Who was it
he was in contact with? What was that contact like?
Because even his mother, right, I saw them come in

(16:57):
and as.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
True, that's true. I think he was fortunate with his mother,
if I can put it that way, because I think
a lot of mothers, you know, we think of the
life of Brian just a naughty boy. But if you
know that film, I don't know, but I think a
lot of mothers would be quite worried about their sons

(17:19):
if they said, look, I'm in touch with aliens and
I'm you know. But in fact, she was herself a mystic.
She was psychic. She was both she and he. Not
that she's comparable with him, not at all. I'm not
saying she wasn't extraterrestrial or anything like that. But she
was a very grounded woman, a very practical woman, but

(17:41):
a woman who was very open to psychic and spiritual things,
which made that lot easier for him. And she completely
accepted his claims and then She had her own experiences
as well, not as a channel, but with you, with
even going inside UFOs, and this is very unusual. She

(18:07):
claimed things that even he did, and he fully endorsed this,
and this all happened after his contacts. But anyway, to
come to your question, it was nineteen fifty four. He
was already a master of yoga. And by that I mean,
just to illustrate this, he'd been practicing advanced forms of yoga.
If people are familiar with this, one is Kundalini yoga.

(18:30):
There are many others, raja and nanni, not just the
hatha yoga. Of the physical exercises. He did do that
for ten years, for eight hours every day, and you
have to get your head round there. I've actually tried
to find somebody else in the West who has claimed

(18:50):
to do that, and I haven't been able to find
anybody who's even claimed to do that. He did that,
by the way, as well as doing jobs. Wasn't particularly
bothered about his career. He drove taxes, he drove as
a chauffeur, he did other jobs in it for businesses
and different things, whatever it took. He was just focused

(19:14):
on this yoga practice as intense as you can imagine it,
not in some beautiful ashram in India, or in some
perfect situation in lovely California for that matter, or even
in Devon in England or something like this. He was
in London and he was doing this yoga as he
used to call it. Well, he gained a very deep

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state of consciousness, which is called samadi for those who
are familiar with it. This takes a long time of
serious practicing. I've been doing spiritual practices intensively and karma
yoga every day for over forty years. Myself. I only
managed to get a level of a Somadi, which is

(20:00):
not the level he got a lower level, but a
level of somadi two years ago or was it three,
so within the last two or three years, and a
lot of people don't attain it at all, but he was.
He went at it as a young man and this
meant making many sacrifices financial relationship wise. He was completely celibate.

(20:25):
He did marry, as I mentioned later on, but his
wife that the lady he married, Monique, was his most
devoted disciple at the time and remained his disciple, and
he therefore attained this high set and This is important,
I think when one talks about his credentials, because I've
noticed a lot of people who claim to channel extraterrestrials

(20:47):
don't provide any credentials or even a proper explanation of
what's going on when they do channel. That isn't to
criticize them or say it's nothing at all. There might
be something there, there might not be something there, or
it might not be quite what they think it is
or whatever. But with him, because of this yogic training,

(21:09):
he was extremely accurate. This is the important thing. So
there's two things that he he could do. He could
enter a trance which was a somadic trance. It was
a yogic trance. Now, as I say, I've done mediumship
myself for decades, I haven't heard of a medium who

(21:31):
uses somadi as their trance condition. They might use a
lighter trance. I've done it myself, and it's if it's
a lighter trance, it's very difficult to be completely accurate.
So what I do myself is claire audience psychic hearing,

(21:51):
and I write it down very very quickly. It's not
automatic writing though. But with him, he entered this deep trance.
So you get two things. You get the accuracy, but
you also get the voice because they're speaking through him,
and you can hear this voice, and you can hear
a voice, for example, of the Master Etherius, which was

(22:12):
his first contact and his main contact. You could say
and you could hear that same voice decades later through him.
It's exactly the same. I happen to know because when
you know someone and you have many dinners with them,
And he was a great humorist. He loved a joke,
and sometimes he'd put on an accent while telling a

(22:33):
joke of different kinds, and he was good. But he
wasn't superb at putting on accents. It didn't who cares,
I don't care, but you know, Nora am I. I'm
no good at it at all. But he put on
these accents. But I know personally he wouldn't have been
able to duplicate to that perfection the voices of these

(22:56):
consistent communicators through him over the day decades. Yeah, that's
not why I believe him. By the way, I'm just
ill sings.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Do you know what planet system, what galaxy? Universe? Ethereus
Master Ethereus was from.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
This is the other thing I think that marks him
out from many, most, if not all, claimants. He always
said that he was receiving communications from this solar system,
but not intelligences who live on this realm, this physical realm.

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So he said, you could go to Mars and you
wouldn't necessarily see the life there at all, or Venus
or Jupiter. If you can have life, and you and
I know, and I'm sure a lot of your viewers
and listeners know, there is life on this earth that
we can't see. Unless you happen to be clairvoyant or psychic,
then you can, or as I said, if you can

(23:55):
actually project, you can go and have a chat with
your late mother, or with if you're lucky enough, an
advanced teacher, or whatever it might be. But likewise, on
the other planets, there are intelligences living on higher frequencies,
higher dimensions. Some people might say that you can't physically

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see or detect necessarily unless they choose to be detected,
and they don't inhabit the physical level, inhabiting a higher level. Now,
that's what he said back then in nineteen fifty four.
He started in fifty four. He first went public in
fifty five. He consistently explained it in the way I've

(24:39):
just explained it. I think quite a few contactees think
to themselves, well, there's no life in this solar system.
So I'm thinking of a contact in the player DS
or the serious or somewhere where there could be life.
But he's always let me read. If I may just

(24:59):
one sentence from one message, especially for your show, Debbie,
because I picked this out for this show. Well, this
was perfect, and this comes from It's a transmission from
Saturn and it was delivered in nineteen fifty seven through
him and recorded. And the first sentence is this today's
dreams can only become tomorrow's manifestation if the dreamer acts

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in love. For this energy is all in all and
all in all that.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
What does that mean to you?

Speaker 2 (25:44):
That means to me that all life is composed of energy.
And may I say the word etherious means one who
travels through the ethers, one who speaks through the ethers.
You might say, so, I think, going back to the
old elements, you've got earth, fire, air, water, as we
know with astrology, and then you've got the mystical element

(26:07):
of ether, or a kasher as they say in Sanskrit,
and throughout all the levels, throughout this whole galaxy, which,
by the way, the galaxy is a living intelligence. There
are multitude of frequency manifestations of energy. If that energy

(26:30):
is tempered with love, which is an impersonal and I
would say heart directed, and I mean by that the
site the chakra, the heart chakra directed, although it's linked
to the physical heart, that will condition that energy. And
as it says here, that energy is all in all,

(26:53):
So all life is energy, and all in all that
which is that which isn't even I don't want to
get too heavy yet, or but that which isn't even
in manifestation, because the divine source of all things exists
in manifestation, but it also exists out of manifestation.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, that's so beautiful, and I concur that's actually also
a very shamanistic point of view where they talk about
the way to heal is to stop living in the head.
That's a very old paradigm and it's a long walk
maybe for some people to come down to the heart.
But the heart is where everything takes place, where harmony is,

(27:40):
where healing is, where cooperation is and here on this
planet and with each other, but also becoming part of
the intertellar community, which I think we're very much ready for.
So I love that message. Thank you, and I want
to take this what you're saying about the galaxies and

(28:01):
about the universe and its consciousness also to Mother Earth,
because I watched videos that came out and some of
the memes from doctor George King, who so profoundly got it,
who spoke about Mother Earth, this living, powerful goddess entity

(28:23):
that we're so fortunate to live upon, and in my estimation,
my shamanic estimation, it is so important to build that
respect and that relationship with Pachamama Mother Earth. What are
your thoughts on this and what did doctor George King
think about this?

Speaker 2 (28:45):
What an absolutely wonderful question. May I say that, thank
you very much for asking that question. Is a beautiful question.
What I would say, first of all, is that the
single thing which motivated doctor King above all other things.
I mean, he was very, very dedicated to service to humanity,

(29:08):
but there was one thing which motivated him even more
than that, and that was devotion to Mother Earth. That
was his number one reason for being here at all.
Right from the beginning, he was focused on that and
his whole life was an expression of that the two

(29:29):
go perfectly together. Because if humanity raises its consciousness, thank
you for bringing in consciousness. If humanity raised, this is
the way to stop war, by the way, isn't it?
This is the way because a lot of healers I've
met they think they give healing and they can heal
people and they're getting results, and it's great, and we
do healing. I know you do healing. It's a wonderful thing.

(29:52):
But they don't think they can heal the world. They
don't think they can do it. And I've met, I've
been on television program with pretty well known healers in
this country and they have said, well, I don't think
we could do that. Yes you can. Everybody can. Everybody
can make a difference in the world. And when we

(30:14):
help the world, we are helping the mother Earth because
she is waiting. We owe everything to her. She's a
living being. When people talk about ecology, they often talk about, oh,
you know, for my children and my grandchildren, and no,
that's fine, but no, ecology should be done first and

(30:37):
foremost for mother Earth. That's why we should do it.
That's enough of a reason to do it. That's what
motively causes us to even exist. We wouldn't have the
greatest thing we have. The greatest gift we have is experience,
and we wouldn't have that without Mother Earth. So I

(31:00):
completely endorse what you say. There's a beautiful, beautiful practice
which is called the violent flame practice, and there are
people who do actually a violet flame practice, and that
some are do it in the name of count Saint Germain,
for example, and it's a wonderful thing, but some of

(31:20):
those people don't actually know where that violent flame truly
comes from. It comes from the Mother Earth. She gives
this flame, She gives this willingly. Every time a serious
a spiritual person wishes protection. If there are people watching

(31:40):
now who are suffering from interference, who are suffering from
bad energies around them, you can protect yourself by using
and calling on this violet flame from Mother Earth. And
all you have to do is with reverence, as much
revere and thankfulness as possible, because that will give it

(32:04):
more power. By the way, if you do it with reverence,
as I'm sure you know from a shamanic point of view,
then request the violent flame and visualize the violet flame,
and it will come up through you. You might be
sitting by the way in the middle of an office
somewhere being shouted at, or where the atmosphere around is

(32:25):
absolutely terrible and everyone's at each other's throats, or there's
jealousy or whatever there is, or even worse, there's negative
energy being sent to you from some source. You can
bring this violet flame. Nobody needs to even know it,
and the vibration test it. Don't take my word for it.
The vibration in that office or wherever you are will

(32:46):
change all around you for the good, because this protective
force comes is a real living force. You start by
visualizing it, but you are visualizing something that really exists.
It's not in your imagination. It's real, and you'll make
a connection with it, and it will stand you in
fantastic stead and it will be a connection with the

(33:11):
wonderful Mother Earth.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Great practice. I love it, Yes, yes, yes, tell us
also about the Twelve Blessings? What are the twelve Blessings?
Why are they central to the ethereous society's work?

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Happened to have them right here? The Twelve Blessings. They
were delivered through doctor King in nineteen fifty eight, actually
here in London, The other major teaching that we have
is called the Nine Freedoms, and that was delivered down
the road from you in Los Angeles, in Hollywood. But

(33:49):
these ones were delivered in London. They were delivered by
the Master Jesus. When he announced, and this is nineteen
fifty eight, that he was going to actually be a
channel for the Master, there was quite a bit of outrage.
This was, of course a heretical thing to say, and
he even had threats, but he went ahead, he did it.

(34:10):
These can be heard, and this is an example of
what I was saying earlier, because he didn't just have
the accuracy, he had the voice. And people can through
the Etherocity website, they can obtain this audio material and
hear this voice, and when they do. As a matter
of fact, we hold regular online services every Sunday actually,

(34:34):
and they can be tuned into online more than one
a day. I mean there's one from Los Angeles, one
from London, and pretty well every one of those Sunday
services we play one of these blessings and people can
then hear this voice. And I know people who've heard
that voice and without being told who it was, who

(34:54):
have guessed that it's the Master Jesus. It's so beautiful.
Never mind the message and the teaching in it. What
it's used for mainly, though, is not so much as
a teaching, although it is, as I have found I've
realized much more in the last few years than I
ever realized before actually, But it's mainly used as a practice,

(35:19):
and it's used to send energy out to the world.
And it's the most beautiful, wonderful practice for sending it out.
And it's done by sending it to twelve focal points.
So blessed are they who work for peace. Blessed are
the wise ones. And you go through all twelve, and
one of them, number seven, blessed is the mother Earth.

(35:40):
And then you work your way all the way up,
even the higher goes higher and higher from that point
to the sun. People who revere the sun are wise people,
wise people. You know, there were missionaries from more than
one religion who went out found so called primitive people

(36:01):
worshiping the sun and tried to stop them doing it
because they were pagans. They were wiser than the missionaries
by a long way by doing that one single thing.
The Sun is the source of all energy, all energy,
and in our solar system were solidified sunlight. So this's

(36:22):
blessed is this mighty sun. And it goes on all
the way up to the final blessing, which is I
think the best description there is exist that I know
of of what God really is. In fact, all the
questions I had when I was that fourteen year old
boy in Canterbury trying to think I'm crying in the

(36:43):
cathedral because I couldn't be a priest all answered in
this twelfth blessing. Blessed is the absolute. I can't hear
you now.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
So sorry. That's so much more beautiful than saying not
all that is. I love that the absolute.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
The absolute. Yes, I mean, I'll just give you an
idea if you like, of the beauty of this. And
this is a section here that I can really relate to.
It's very poetic, this book, this as well, this text.
It is the I am within man. It is the
life within all things. It is the rain, it is
the drought. It is the gentle breeze of summer time.

(37:32):
It is the mighty wind across the seas. It is
the seas. It is the emptness of space. It is
the fullness contained within space. It is ever it is
the world's it is ever and forever and forever. It
is infinity. And yet it is more than this, for

(37:52):
it is behind even these things. And that's just one
extract about it, and there's plenty more.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Those have energy in them. By the way, those have coding,
because I can feel the words here, But what I
can feel is the energy that I believe is encoded
probably in all of his books, because.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Very good, point, very powerful, very very very powerful, and
completely explanatory and completely unlimited. This is the God who says,
which cannot ever be limited by man or God man.
This thing, this all things, is now blessed. And I

(38:41):
remember Dot King saying thing is the perfect word. There's
no other word you could use, because it's above word.
It's not words.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Thank you for reading those. That's really meaningful that you're sharing,
giving us another layer and another level like that. And
can you talk Richard about how do you integrate concepts
like Kundalini, like the Chakras, into the work you do,
into your workshops, into your personal spiritual practice.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
And by the way, thank you for opening the door,
because you're so good to talk to that I can
reveal these things very happily you know, I've done many
many interviews over the years, hundreds and hundreds of them,
and I used to be on regular mainstream radio shows
and TV shows over here, and I'm quite used to

(39:33):
the put downs, the you know everything you say, they
had to bring somebody else in to give the opposite
point of view and the skeptic and it's all right,
but the trouble that you don't get past first base.
But when I talk to you, we can lift off.
We don't have to bother with that. And I think
it's better for people because if they don't want to
listen to what you say, they can switch off anyway.

(39:54):
But if they do, we can actually get so. Sorry
to answer your question, Cundalini Chakras, well, I've realized myself
more than I ever had done. I've always believed in them.
I've always used them. Anyone can use them. By the way,
just one little tip if you want to, I'll just
quickly say this with the twelve blessings or any other
kind of healing prayer. Good way to do it is

(40:15):
simply just take off watches and rings. If you can not.
All rings are easy to remove, but if you can,
just raise your hands just like this and visualize the
energy traveling out through both palms, because there are chakras
in the palms of their hands. They're not major chakras,
but they're very important chakras in the palms of that

(40:38):
you can feel them. You don't have to take my
word this. You can feel and though. And this is
where a lot of people miss out through the heart
chakra as well. And the heart chakra is in the center.
It's not on the left hand side. It's a few
inches in front of the body where the breastbone meets
a few inches into the stern them I think it's

(40:58):
called a few inches in front of that. And you
bring the energy down from above you and it will come.
I mean I can feel it now just talking about it.
It's a real force and it can travel down and out,
and you know, you can send healing to anybody. And
it's very liberating because so many people feel helpless and

(41:22):
frustrated and they well, I can't do anything about gas,
or I can't do anything about ukraine or whatever it
might be, or might be something more local, or my
aunt who's dying, or there's nothing. Yes, you can, I
got to come back to that. You raise the hands
send energy. When you finished your sending of your energy

(41:43):
with love, that's your energy right from that first message
I read out, must be done with love, that's all,
you know. Everybody can do that with real feeling, not
not emotion per se, but pure love, kind of an
impersonal love for the betterment of all life. And then
when you finish, just do this just once across palm

(42:08):
across the other and that's as it kind of seals
the energy. The energy stops. And then try if you can,
just to detach from it. But that's a powerful thing
to do. Don't go around thinking, I wonder if my
aunt's better now, I wonder what's' must switch to television,
what's happening there? Don't you let it go? But you
can sometimes get the miracles that way. You might not

(42:29):
even know what good you've done. You could do tremendous good.
And that's just one illustrating illustration of using the chakras.
And of course, just to finish that point, when you
do this as well, you do yourself tremendous good because
for a start, you won't feel helpless. You've done what
you can do, You've done something. Helplessness is the most

(42:52):
I just have a column in a paper here called
The Observer on Body and Mind, and a lot of
research was done help Feeling helpless in any situation is
the most stressful condition there is. But if you can
do something, then you transmute that feeling of helplessness. So
it's good for you, it's good for your karma. But also,

(43:14):
while you're visualizing energy flowing out through the heart chakra,
you're raising the lower energies in the lower chakras. You
know there are seven major chakras. I do a lot
of work with this and events around this upwards towards
the heart center. You don't have to even visualize that.
You just let the energy flow. But wherever you put

(43:34):
your mind, energy will follow. Whenever you think a thought,
you invoke energy to some degree for good or for bad,
or for neither, it must happen. So you'll start to
raise your consciousness and you'll get more of a heart
centered consciousness.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
That's beautiful. Yes, I agree with you, and that's a
really interesting point of view. Heard that before. But the
concept of feeling powerless over is a terrible one because
there's no place to go, there is nothing to do.
You are just a victim and at the effect of

(44:15):
and so to have practices that actually create empowerment, can
create shifts, improvements. Let you be in the driver's seat.
Is really important to have an our toolbox.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
And sadly, I'm going to.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Try this exercise. I've got a dog who's been very sick,
my goodness, which she's been through the past two months.
It's been quite a journey for both of us. And
I've been doing a lot of healing practices and I'm
going to try.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
This one that you use your dog's name.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Her name is Shelby.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Shelby.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
She's a little cockapoo. She's like nineteen pounds, super adorable
and loving and I don't know why she's only nine,
she's not old at all, but at her very tender age,
she suddenly had heart conditions and a dream, you know,
dreamal nodules and gallbladder. Like wow, very interesting, thank you,

(45:16):
that's very kind, really it is. I also want to
ask you about you because your gifts, what you are
capable of, mediumship, channeling and so forth, that's fascinating to me.
Can you describe a time, Richard, when channeling brought about
a significant shift or an insight for you for community

(45:39):
for somebody you were working with.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
I mean, I don't regard it as exceptional myself, because
to me it's, you know, it's very kind of normal.
And then of course, knowing Doctor King as I did
and being very close to him, it's nowhere near the
level he was at, so that keeps me in my place,
which is a good thing. But I will say it's real.

(46:04):
That's what I've got to say. I can't argue with it.
It's a fact. I did set out to do it,
though it didn't just happen. And he helped me. I mean,
I started out giving psychic readings when I was in
my early twenties or my midner my later twenties, I suppose,
and he helped me. Actually I used to use a
crystal ball originally, and he mainly for sort of Taoist

(46:26):
reasons more than how people think of the crystal ball.
To me, it was symbolic of the void in which
all things exist, you know, And he designed the cover
for me and really encouraged me tremendously. And this led
from giving readings. And I started out actually with his wife,

(46:49):
giving his wife a read Doctor King's wife, and she
encouraged it as well, and a lot of friends, and
then I became very active. I thot I was booked
up for a year ahead and so forth. But I
wanted to move on from that because I found that
most people came for readings to find out about their
love life, or their business life, perhaps their health. That's

(47:14):
none of which I'm saying is wrong, by the way,
but I wanted to go in a more spiritual direction,
let's put it that way, and people who wanted to
know about their spiritual life primarily everything affects everything. Got
to have your feet on the ground. And if you're
going to be really active in spiritual things, you will
need to take care of your money and your health

(47:34):
and so on. So I'm not saying you won't, but
that's where I wanted to go. And then I started
to channel from there really and it was incredibly exciting.
I will say when it started off too too much,
So I think an excited psychic is not a great thing,
because and I was, you need to keep it under control,

(47:56):
and you need to remember one big thing, which is
that your own intuition is the most important thing. Your
own intuition. Never lose it. It's never wrong. It is never wrong.
You might get it wrong, yes, you might think your
intuition is actually your imagination, so you get it wrong

(48:16):
or vice versa. But you need it. You need to
be guided by that inner voice. So I had to
learn that while at the same time channeling, which is
a very very different experience from listening to your own intuition.
So I tested it with psychic hearing Claire sentience, and

(48:38):
I got involved in a sort of program which ended
up in a book actually that I wrote, called God's
Guides and Guardian Angels. But I started off channeling poems.
And this wasn't my idea. This was an idea given
to me by somebody on a higher realm by the
name of Charles Bradlaw. I'd never heard of him, but

(48:58):
he is known, and he gave he told me, he
encouraged me to do this, and he's a big network
networker on the other realms. And so a number of
kind of well known writers were brought in just to
give me one thing so I would for example, but
I was writing down, as I mentioned, not automatic writer.
I was fully in control. But I was writing very

(49:21):
very quickly. Now, when you write very quickly, let's say
in three minutes. You write down a poem and you
can't think about it very much because you just got
a concentraut on getting the words. You can't never mind
get it to rhyme or anything like that or scan.
You're just getting it down. You don't think about whether

(49:43):
you like it, what it means, or if you do,
your own mind will come into play. So although it
wasn't a somatic trance as used by doctor King, which
completely removes the conscious mind out of the equation, and
so that's why he's a I was a one hundred
percent pure channel, and I'd never I don't know of

(50:04):
another one, not even the greats like Madame Blavatski, I
don't know of anyone who actually did use that method.
You've got to have really strict concentration to stick to it.
So I'd write this down and I'd look, and then
it would be a sixteenth seventeenth century English. It would

(50:24):
rhyme perfectly in I am Bic tetrameters, which I'd never
heard of, by the way, and it would be two
people who I hadn't heard of, who were known William
Devenant Davenant and Foot Greville, who did exist that William
Davenant was a poet laureate, but I'd never heard of him,
and so I'd find okay. And it was a clever

(50:45):
thing to do because it was very provable, you know,
if you write a poem. So long story short. This
culminated in three particular writers. One was Francis Bacon, who
I believe actually wrote the Shakespeare please, one was a Tollstoy,

(51:06):
and one was Dante. Now I know that's a massive
claim to make, but if people look at my website,
they'll see there an article written by Psychic News which
was like our number one psychic magazine here for I
don't know, decades and decades they put it out. They
put these out as an example of and it's very
you know, in the style of those people, which I

(51:28):
couldn't invent. Now, someone could say, of course that I
just went away and made it up and studied dantee studied.
You know, fine, they can say that, but I know
what happened. I didn't know how Dante spoke at all.
I just wrote down what I was given. So that
was just, if you like a test case for mediumship.
But more usefully, you know the idea of it, by

(51:52):
the way. Their idea was to prove that mediumship is
a thing. That's what they wanted to do, so that
then people could look at someone like doctor King and say, okay,
I now understand mediumship, and I now see that, yes,
this is something I should look into. That was what
they wanted through giving me these various writings. But for

(52:13):
myself it's been incredibly helpful guidance in numerous ways and
extremely accurate ways, as well as enabling me to help
other people with guidance.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
What a remarkable, unique story. I didn't expect poetry of
all things, and incredible that you went there, very unique.
What are the spiritual teachings Richard of the advanced extraterrestrials?
What are the core spiritual teachings that you all have

(52:45):
learned through the advanced extraterrestrials.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Well, they can be summarized into one word, which is service.
They are all about service, and person wants to know
what they should do with their life. They should give
service in the way that they believe is the most

(53:09):
potent form of service they could give. And I believe,
and in the theorist that we believe that all forms
of service are necessary. But in this day and age,
spiritual service is particularly necessary, and if people are believers
in that and they're able to do that, that's the

(53:31):
path they should take, because there are many people who
don't believe in it, and they will do some of
the other things which have to be done, which are
noble and wonderful. People who go outnder war torn areas
and help the victims there and so on. It's fantastic,
and that's really to be admired. But spiritual service can
be done by absolutely anyone. They can use the Twelve

(53:54):
Blessings for example. They can do this practice send energy out.
We also use mantras as well, you know, Buddhist and
Hindu mantras in Sanskrit. They can do healing, they can
do world healing. They can tune in with a craft
called Satellite number three which comes into orbit of Earth

(54:15):
on certain dates to potentize the efforts of people by
a factor of three thousand times. Now, the problem these
spiritual cosmic intelligences have is us in a nutshell. It's
disbelief is a problem. I mean, it's I think it's fine.

(54:40):
I don't know, but there are so many people who
will actually actively disbelieve and I'm going to say those
people are fools. I say that with kindness, as kindly
as you can. But they are fools because they don't know.
They're saying they disbelieve in something without knowing that it's untrue.

(55:01):
But to say, well, I don't know, I need to
look into it, absolutely fine, of course, naturally, and people
should discriminate. So because of that, these intelligences who are
pouring energy down to our world at certain times in
the year, they're dependent on us using it. If we
don't use it, it's no good. In fact, if they

(55:25):
poured energy down that was not used, it could even
be harmful because there'd be a certain what's called they
call resonance factor and it would kick back in a
way and cause various problems. So they are limited by us,
and that's why they are asking us to cooperate by

(55:47):
sending out as much spiritual energy, the one energy where
we started that, you know, the first quote, the energy
which is all in all and all in all that
tempered by love to humanity. And there are so many
ways to do it. There are practical ways to do it,

(56:08):
of course, and if you're engaged in an organization like
the Etherorist Society. You know, the things we have to do.
Maintain buildings, look after publicity and promotion as far as
we can with our budget, you know, to make the
information available to people, look after the finances. We run

(56:29):
a health food shop. There are very practical things that
people can do, and those too because of the motive
behind them. They will be potentized three thousand times. Healing
will be potentized three thousand times, the effects of it
on the whole, not necessarily on that one patient, by
the way, but on the whole. And this will change

(56:54):
the calma of the world. Now that's one thing I
find that where I do disagree with some of the
old yoga teachings, I say they needed to be updated.
They do tend to see karmas a lot of them
in a very fatalistic manner. And they do say, well,
this is your dharma and you've got to work through it.
And you know, you're either born to do this or

(57:14):
born to do that. And doctor King was an absolute
breath of fresh air. He was a new age yogi,
and he came along and said, you can change your karma,
and the thing to do is the thing which will
bring maximum benefit. To the whole. So and of course
when you do that, though, just to finish the point,

(57:36):
you'll also advance yourself. It must happen. Just like when
you pray, you'll start to draw energies up to the
higher chakras. This will awaken those higher chakras. You'll have
higher states of consciousness, You'll become more sensitive, you'll become
more psychic, and eventually you can enter the deepest states

(57:57):
of meditation and even cosmic consciousness.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
And you mentioned a satellite that when it comes we
can harness its energy and its potency times three thousand, correct?
When does the satellite come?

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I'll give the exact dates if I may, and they're
in that book and they're on our website. I'm sure,
but these are they April the eighteenth to May the
twenty third, July the fifth to August the fifth, September
the third to October the ninth, November fourth to December

(58:41):
the tenth. That's from memory, but I'm sure that's correct.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Do you think, Richard, that we are in the brink
of first open, undeniable contact with benevolent extraterrestrial civilizations.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
I think that's a fascinating point. Brink is one of
those words, isn't it. I think that it's going to
come or getting closer that Again, the problem is us.
I think that if we hadn't had so many lies
told by governments and they're still not telling us the
whole truth. As you know very well, you campaigned so
wonderfully on disclosure and so on, and I've done it

(59:20):
myself for over forty years as well, especially over here,
and the media treats it so badly, so ridiculously. I
mean I was the one who brought out the task
papers from the Soviet Union at the time of Gorbachev.
I just remember bringing it out and putting it out
on television and it was laughed at. I mean there

(59:42):
was Gorbachev trying to actually release details of some pretty
spectacular UFO landings and so on, or his government was,
and the Western media treated it appallingly. So because of
all this, it's delayed, and it's delaying what you're talking about,
because they aren't going to force us to change until

(01:00:02):
they really absolutely have to. What they are waiting for
is us to open our minds and our hearts to them.
And by us, I don't mean campaigners like you, and
I mean the governments of the world, the people of
the world, to free themselves of dogma, even if that
dogma is religious dogma, or even if it's scientific dogma,

(01:00:27):
and open themselves up. I mean some of the citing
some of the occurrences of recent have been physically impossible
for us to do. Some of the demonstrations in so
many ways have approved. They have a science which is
a spiritual technology, you might call it that. Even time travel,
even knowing the minds of pilots in the US Navy

(01:00:50):
and so forth. This is well proven, and yet people
don't act upon it as much as they should. So
unfortunately it's that is delaying it. It could happen very quickly.
But there will come a time, that's for sure, when
they will absolutely prove themselves to us all. But that
won't be good for everybody because some people will resist it.

(01:01:15):
I wouldn't put it past some governments to try and
fire missiles at them, which is pathetic because they won't
do any get anywhere, but it will damage us. That's
why they don't. They're not frightened. They're not bothered by
us because we are pinpricks, you know, It's nothing to them.
They're worried about what we might do to ourselves. That's

(01:01:36):
what's delaying I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Tell us Richard, where can we find you, how can
people work with you? What haven't we covered, and then
definitely bring this around to connecting with you further.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Thank you, Debbie. Well. People can find me on my website,
which is Richard Lawrence dot co dot UK, and I'll
be very happy to respond to any inquiries, any questions,
any comments with pleasure. The Etherist Society is worldwide and
we've got a major headquarters in La actually, but also
we're all over the world. I mean not, I won't

(01:02:11):
say we're all over the world. We're in several countries
around the world, let's put it that way. We have thousands,
I would say tens of thousands of supporters of one
kind or another. We're not we're not millions of people.
But we make our message as available as we can
afford to, as we're able to. And our website is
our spell It actually is a E T H E

(01:02:34):
R I U s ethereous dot org. We have we
do podcasts as well. You'll find all about us on
on those two websites, that one or mine.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Great Ethereist dot Org and this is dear to dream.
So Richard, what are you next? Dear to dream? What
are your future dreams and goals?

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Service? Now, I mean, as I mentioned, I have been
very fortunate, and I've had these somatic experiences, and I
had an experience which I believe was a cosmic consciousness
of I don't believe, I know it was a cosmic
experience a couple of years ago. And that's something that's
been my goal, you know, all throughout my life to
get to that point. I didn't know whether I would

(01:03:19):
in this life or not. I'm sure I was helped
to get there. The only value of that, really, though,
is it shows people that this path really works, and
it really does. I've devoted my life to this. I've
been fully active in this since my teens late teens,
and certainly full time professionally in this since my twenties.

(01:03:41):
And it does work. It's a path that works. But
when you come out even of these highest states, even
these somatic states, there's only one thing you really want
to do is serve, Because when you enter an advanced
state like that, there's only one thing you realize. Actually,
I remember a going up to doctor King on a

(01:04:01):
holy mountain called Holsten down in North Devon. I didn't
hear it, but a friend of mine told me what
was said, and he went up to Doctor King. He said,
you know, I've been to the Godhead, said this yogi
to doctor King, and doctor King said to him, well
did you take your hat off? Because he had a
great sense to Hugh and the yogi said, I didn't
know what to say, so he then said, okay, so

(01:04:23):
you've been to the Godhead, so you know that everything
is one. So the only thing to do is to serve.
And that's would be my message, and that's really my goal.
There's many ways to do it, and I'm running events
and people can find out about those I'm running the
society or helping to overhear and around the world actually,

(01:04:46):
but service is the order of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Service is the order of the day. Thank you so
much for coming on the show today and for everything
you shared.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Thank you so much. Dev We're really pleased you invited me.
Thank you m as well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
And I end today's show with this quote. When humanity
learns to look up, not just to disguise, but to
the higher truths offered by those who come in peace,
we will remember that we are not alone and never
have been. We are cosmic beings on a sacred journey
reconnecting to our family and our galactic home. Subscribe to

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this number one transformation conversation, Dear to Dream with Debbie Dashinger.
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