S02E20: The Mysterious Murders of Susan, Karen, and Michael Reinert

On June 22, 1979, English teacher, Susan Reinert and her two children, 11-year-old Karen and 10-year-old Michael set out to brave a hailstorm to take a trip for the weekend to Allentown, Pennsylvania where she would be holding a presentation for a group she was a member of. Her battered and naked body was found three days later in the trunk of her orange hatchback in a parking lot in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania which was 90 miles from her home. William Bradfield and Jay C. Smith, fellow employees of Susan were suspects due to a tangled web of stories created by Bradfield to his circle of friends. Bradfield had been a lover of Susan's and Jay C. Smith was the principal of the school they all worked at, who somehow got roped into the murder story by Bradfield. The trials set out to untangle the chaotic web created by Bradfield and find the real murder (s) and locate the children, but the bodies of Susan's children, Karen and Michael have never been found. Sources


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Episode Transcript

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It was an easy target. Everybodywas believing that I was involved in this
criminal activity, so I was aneasy target for Bradfield to frame. Hello
listeners, and welcome back to anotherepisode of Its prime Time. I chose
another case from Pennsylvania, but Ichose an old case because there's a lot

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of twists and turns to it.It gets pretty crazy at times, it
can get a little hard to understand, and as of today, it is
still technically unsolved. I don't believethat it's unsolved in terms of who I
believe really did it, but itis considered to be unsolved. And I'm
talking about the case of Susan Reinertand her two children, Michael and Karen.

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Before I continue, I just wantto let you know that I have
ben sporadic and uploading episodes again dueto something going on with my voice.
I'm not sure what's going on withmy vocal cords. I lose my voice
almost every week, and I justfeel that it would be pointless to try
to record an episode when you guyswouldn't even be able to hear me or
understand me anyway, and that couldget pretty annoying. So I'm just putting

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that out there, all right,everyone, it's prime time. Susan J.

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Gallagher was born on September one,nineteen forty two, in Ridgeway,
that is in Elk County in northwesternPennsylvania. Her father, William Gallagher,
was a school board president who marrieda school teacher named Jane, so Susan
had naturally been born into an educationalfamily, and later her father, William,

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became the business manager of a localnewspaper called The Ridgeway Wreck. Her
brother, William Patrick Gallagher, saidthat as a child, Susan was a
happy little girl with these little pigtails, and she was just a very giving
person, and she helped people findthemselves and grow. So she loved helping
people. She loved helping people continueon their path to being great or being

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successful or achieving their goals. Soshe sounded like a great person even as
a child. Susan had already knownbasically what her future would entail when she
was a child, when she wasin school, and she worked towards it.
She was going to be a teacher, just like her mom and her
father at one point, and that'swhat she wanted to do. So she

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really worked hard in school to achieveher goals, and at Ridgeway High School,
she was the vice president of theFuture Teachers of America. She was
a class treasurer, the yearbook,staft's business manager, and the president of
the Drama Club. Belong to theNational Honors Society, the Science Club,
girls Chorus, and the school paper, so she kept herself very busy in

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school. She wanted to kind ofexplore everything that the school had to offer,
and she liked to belong and bea part of things. During her
summers off of school, she workedin the records circulation department, and then
later she attended Grove City College topursue her English degree, and at this
college she met Kenneth Reinert. Hewas enlisted in the Air Force at this

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time and they began dating as undergrads. Sue obtained her bachelor's degree and then
her master's degree from Pennsylvania State Universityin nineteen sixty six. Sue and Kenneth
married in nineteen sixty five, sothis was shortly after she graduated from Grove
City and was going into Pennsylvania StateUniversity to get her master's degree. After

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this, Susan and Kenneth began movingaround to duty stations all over the country
because of him being in the area, and they moved to Sacramento, California,
Rome, New York, and evenPuerto Rico, and then they finally
decided to settle in the Philadelphia regionin nineteen seventy one. By this time,
Susan had already established her career asa school teacher. During their move,

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she had taken several jobs as ateacher at various schools, and over
the course of their moves, Susanhad given birth to a daughter named Karen
and then a son about a yearlater named Michael. Sadly, in nineteen
seventy four, Susan and Kenneth decidedto separate. Their divorce was finalized in

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nineteen seventy six, and they saythe split was amicable. Sue then settled
into the region of Ardmore, Pennsylvania, which is an unincorporated community of Haverford
Township just outside of Philadelphia. Shelived in a two and a half story
home along Woodcrest Avenue, and thiswas said to be a very good home

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for her and her children. Itwas a pretty big and it was plenty
for them, and she had kindof split custody of their children. They
stayed with her most of the time, and I feel like this is probably
due to his line of work,but he did get the children every other
weekend, and on some holidays hewould get the children as well. It
is said that Sue was an exceptionalmother to her children. She spent almost

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all of her time with her childrenwhen she wasn't working and participating in the
various activities that she participated in outsideof work. She started working as an
English teacher at Upper Marion High Schoolin nineteen seventy one, and she continued
her work there until nineteen seventy nine. The staff at the school adored her

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as well as her students. Itsaid that her students teased her because she
had kind of this squeaky, highpitched voice, and when she got really
excited, it would crack, andwhen she got flustered, it would do
the same thing. So I feellike I can relate. My voice isn't
very high pitched in scho guaky perse, but when I get excited,
it cracks and I can't really getnothing comes out. So they often teased

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her for it, but she justkind of accepted this. She accepted that
that was how her voice was andit just became a part of her and
who she was. So she easilybonded with her students and she was kind
of on their level. She triedto get on their level and inspire them
by personally connecting with her students,and they just really liked her and they

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felt that she really was helping them. She really invested her time into them.
I mean I had teachers like thisin school as well. There were
teachers that were there to just teach, and then there was ones that just
went beyond. They would help yougrow as a person, whether it be
you know, kind of being youryour therapist. Like you could tell these
teachers anything, they would do theirbest to help you feel better. They

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would, you know, they wantedto see you succeed. They wanted to
see you move forward in life andgrow, and she was one of those
teachers. Susan supervised several clubs andgroups at the school. She was a
co advisor for the school yearbook.She taught a film class of her own
making. She was very interested infilm and as far as I know,

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she noticed that the school didn't haveone, so she offered to kind of
create this film class and they approvedit and they let her have her own
film class. Even as a teacher, she often kept herself on a daily
basis when it came to her homelife. So I found this interesting because
she's part of these large groups.She seems to be a social person,

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but I guess when it came toher home life, she didn't really spend
a lot of time with friends oryou know, doing anything out partying.
She just preferred to read, gosee plays, and watch films. And
she was just a very quiet,passive person, which is, like I
said, awkward to me because whenyou learn about her and the difference she

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mean in people's lives, you justwouldn't take her as a quiet passive person.
But I think it was probably herway of working down. She was
dealing with people all week long,talking to people, dealing with groups,
so on her free time, youknow, she spent time with her children
and she just kind of kept herselfat home, which I don't blame her.
She was a member of a socialand support group for divorced or single

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parents, and it was known asParents Without Partners. She became very active
in this organization. She trained peoplethroughout Pennsylvania how to moderate group meetings and
she organized events throughout the region ofValley Forge. So she used to this
group after she got a divorce,and it was something that really helped her.
It was said to really help herkind of get through her divorce and

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figure out how she was going to, you know, take care of her
children on her own. In nineteenseventy four, Susan I'd been having an
affair with a coworker of hers atthe high school, William Bradfield. He
often went by Bill Bradfield, andthe two had been English teachers together and
Bill was the chair of the school'sEnglish department. And this affair is actually

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what is believed to have ultimately ledto Kenneth and Susan's divorce, because she
began this affair in the same yearthey separated. So I'm not sure if
maybe their marriage obviously was already crumblingto begin with, and she just was
seeking solace and you know, someoneelse, and then that really sealed the
deal. There wasn't much about that, but I did find that it was

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said to be kind of whenever theydecided, okay, we're definitely splitting up
now, you know, you're you'realready seeing someone else. Susan and Bill
had decided to keep their relationship private. They didn't want to disclose it to
their other coworkers, so they kindof kept their romantic entanglements from interfering with
their careers. They didn't want otherpeople to know about it in school.

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They didn't want, you know,drama that was attached. But others knew
about this, and they say thather and Bill had been prepared, preparing
to be married. Sorry, butI beg to differ on this. Like
I said, I I can telland you will hear a lot of information.
Bill ran his mouth. Bill wasa talker, He was dramatic,
He lied a lot, and hejust loves spreading things around. He loved

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drama. So I guess he claimedhe didn't want people to know about her,
but they definitely knew, and thatwas because of him. Sue later
found out that she was just oneof several women that Bill had been dating.
It wasn't exclusive, she thought itwas, but he had a relationship
with another fellow English teacher named Sueas well, Sue Myers, for almost

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a decade, so he was alreadyseeing Sue Myers and then decided to see
Susan Rennert. At one point innineteen seventy seven, Sue Meyers and Susan
had a confrontation in the teacher's loungeover what Bill had been doing. Sue
Myers didn't believe Bill when he toldher he was not involved with Susan,
and this confrontation actually led to SueMeyers kicking Susan Reinert and leaving scratches and

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bruises on her, so the fightdid get physical. Since friendships were pretty
important to Bill, friendships with menso that he could kind of just whine
about his women. He made othermale friends at the school which he often
gossiped and complained with about his women. One friend was Vince Phalitas, another

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English teacher at the school. WhenValidas was looking for a home, Bill
suggested the apartment complex where he andSusan Myers lived, so he and Sue
Meyers actually had a house together.They were living in this apartment or whatever
together while he was out seeing SusanReinert. This guy was ridiculous. I
have a lot of choice words withhis man, but you know so he

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also well. He also became evencloser with Vince Phaliitis because Vince did move
there and he just became very closewith Sue Meyers and Bill. Bill would
often talk very badly about Susan Reinertto them, saying she's the second worst
teacher at the school and that shewas always chasing him and he just wasn't
interested in her. So he madeout like she was kind of obsessed with

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him and she wanted him, buthe he was like disgusted by her,
and she was just this life wellin today's terms, simp she was like
sim being important, like she wasobsessed and he just wasn't interested. But
that is absolutely not true. Thatis not what's going down. He had
led her on for years, makingher believe that he, you know,

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really loved her and they were goingto be married. So definitely definitely a
drama queen he is. He soundslike, yeah, just a comeback,
but that's my opinion. Sue Ryanerthad lost her mother in nineteen seventy eight,
and she begun to rely more andmore on this Parents Without Partner's group

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had helped her overcome her loss.She had other people to hang out with,
other be able to talk to.So Vince Velidas, Sue Meyers,
and Bill actually became business partners laterand they opened a store together. It
was an arts and crafts store becausethis was Sue Meyer's dream. She always
wanted to open this craft store,so the guys helped her. Bill also

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had another close friend named Chris popUs. Chris and Vince never hung out
with Bill at the same time.He liked to keep his friendship separate so
he could tell kind of different versionsof these stories to different friends of his,
which he lied a lot, andI don't know how he kept kept
up with his stories to different people, but he would tell different stories to

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Vince and Chris about Susan Reinert.Anyway, just some backstory. So Susan's
children, Karen and Michael, wereages ten and eleven in nineteen seventy nine.
Not much as really known about them, except that Karen was described as
being a lot like Susan. Shewas petite, shy, but she was
athletic. She was actively participating ingymnastics and softball. Her true passion was

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arts and crafts. However, Karenhad wanted to pursue a teaching career as
of the last time she was seen, so Karen was pretty much following in
her mother's footsteps. Her son,Michael, was said to be the opposite
of his mother and sister. Hewas very rambunctious, outgoing, constantly active.
He loved talking to people, andhe was active in several sports,

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but his sport of choice was baseball. He absolutely loved like baseball, and
he was just a huge fan ofthe Philadelphia Phillies and he could recite their
lineups. Oh, he was veryknowledgeable about baseball. Both children attended Chestnut
Wold Elementary School, which had onlybeen a quarter of a mile from Susan's
home and Ardmore. Karen had justfinished sixth grade in nineteen seventy nine and

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Michael ed just finished fourth grade.On June twenty second of nineteen seventy nine,
a neighbor saw Susan and her twochildren leaving the home. They were
kind of hurrying to their car,and at this time, there was kind
of a really bad hailstorm going on, So the neighbors were kind of perplexed
as to why Susan would be draggingher kids out in the middle of a
hailstorm to drive them somewhere, Butthe neighbor just kind of hoped that she'd

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be alright driving in the weather ordidn't realistay anything, and then the neighbor
never saw Susan and her children again. Sources say that Susan was due to
give a speech at Parents Without Partnersfifty miles away in Allentown. She had
hoped to turn this trip into afun weekend for her children. She wanted
to kind of do this speech,get it over with, and take her

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children out exploring, just to dosome fun things for the weekend. But
Susan's body was found on June twentyfifth, in nineteen seventy nine, in
the trunk of her car in aparking lot in Harrisburg, ninety miles from
her home. A man had beencutting through this parking lot kind of in
his car and saw this orange PlymouthHorizon hatchback just abandoned there, and I

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guess the trunk was partially propped open. He thought it was kind of weird,
so he decided to check it out, and he found Susan's body in
the trunk, which I said Ihad been slightly propped open. Her body
was nude, badly beaten, andshe had been wrapped up with a chain.
Some believes she may have been draggedby the chain wrapped on her for
a short distance, but that's unclear. Her children were nowhere to be found

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in the area. However, it'sbelieved that after she was beaten, she
survived another twenty four to thirty sixhours and eventually was then injected with alieval
dose of morphine. Whenever whoever hadinjured her noticed that she wasn't dying,
they came by and injected her withmorphine and that was that. So I

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now need to provide an insane amountof backstory on this so you can kind
of form an opinion about who thereal killer might be and kind of what
led up to her death. So, while Susan was still alive, there
was a man by the name ofdoctor J. C. Smith who was
actually the principal at the school whereshe, Bill, Sue Meyers, and

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Vince Balaidis and Chris Papus worked.So they all worked for the same school
and doctor J. C. Smithwas the principal. This man was a
very weird man and being in principalwas kind of an odd profession for him.
For sure. It sounded like hehated children and the scolded Susan Reiner
at one time because she led herchildren in his office for a short period

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of time for something, and hesaid that it wasn't a daycare. And
despite his courts and strange, dry, sardonic attitude, it said that he
had been a competent principal, sohe was good at his job, but
he was very weird and just hatedkids. So people weren't sure why he
was working in a school if hehated children, because he was going to
be dealing with children every day.Jay was tall, with hooded eyes and

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thinning hair, and he had beena colonel in the Army Reserve and he
wanted to be a general. Heheld a PhD in education. He had
a trouble to home life. Hewas married to a woman who worked for
a dry cleaner and had a daughternamed Stephanie. Stephanie had been a heroin
addict along with her husband Eddie.Their younger daughter, Sherry, was not
an addict, but it was saidthat she was pretty emotionally disturbed. Jay

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would only ever admit to having oneextra marital affair with the female principle of
an elementary school. He had alsosubscribed to swingers magazines, Gay and Straight,
and he also had a strong interestin bciality, with many books and
pornographic material on the subject he hadkind of collected. There's no evidence suggesting

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that he actually practiced pciality, buthe was very, very into the subject,
and all of this caused issues inhis marriage, and his wife left
him, but she eventually returned tohim. She was told she had cancer
and she lived with him until herdeath. Sometimes, when Susan Reiner was
teaching a late class, she wouldleave Karen and Michael in the principal's office,

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like I had mentioned earlier, andSmith did not appreciate that, and
he told his secretary, quote,I don't like teachers bringing their damn kids
around school. We're not here tobabysit. End quote. Quote you'd have
to like those kids, end quote. The secretary retorted, both Michael and
Karen were known as well behaved andunusually sweet kids. I don't like any

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kids, is what Smith told her. On August twenty seventh, nineteen seventy
seven, Jay had entered a Seier'sstore in Saint David's dressed as an employee
from Brink to collect the store's deposits. And I'm sure everyone's familiar with Brink.
They kind of bring money to storesand collect the stores money for the

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week. They drive these like Idon't know if they're armored, but they
drive these like, you know,kind of armored looking trucks. Let's say,
bring on them. And then theemployees were dressed all the same and
they go in and collect the moneyand everything. Later, a Brink employee
came into the store to collect deposits, which kind of confused the store employees
because they had a feeling that oneof the employees was there to steal money.

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This same incident occurred at another Seerstore in Nashamini on December seventeenth of
that year. So Jay basically enteredthe Seer's store pretending to be a Brink
worker and then the real Brink workerentered the store, and the store is
kind of like, okay, healready came to collect deposits, what's going
on here this time? One ofthe cashiers took the Brink employee's ID tour
office to compare, and the nameAlbert J. Wharton checked out. But

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when she compared signatures, one signaturedid not match the other signatures of Wharton.
The fake Brink employees sensed some dangerwhen the cashier called over the intercommon
code, hoping he would not understand, so he tried to enter her office
to get his card back. InAugust of nineteen seventy eight, a young
couple called the police after seeing atall man pull his car next to a
Ford man get out and look inthe window. They sensed that he may

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have been there to rob the van. When police showed up, they asked
the tall man verse license, andit turned out to be J. C.
Smith, who had a gun inhis hand at the time. Police
had tried to get him to puthis gun away. They kept telling him
to drop the gun. Jay wasfifty five at this time of his arrest,
and a variety of items were foundin his car, from a syringe
of tranquilizer, four loaded handguns,a hood mask, and bolt cutters.

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When the police searched his home,they located marijuana, illegal pills, four
gallons of nitric acid, and officeequipment. The nigerk acid and office supplies
were stolen from the Upper mare InSchool district where he worked. Brink badges
and uniforms were also located, alongwith his extensive porn collection. After this,
Bill Bradfield began circulating rumors to hisfriends that Jay had been a mafia

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hitman. Bill began telling people thathe believed Jay was going to kill Susan
Reinert because she knew too much abouthis trash, whatever that means. He
always claimed to his friends that hewas spending a lot of time trying to
protect Susan from Jay. Bill constantlytalked about having to protect Susan from Jay
and all the wild things Jay supposedlywas doing. The part of me really

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is this was kind of his albifor wanting to kill Susan himself. In
December of nineteen seventy eight, Susanapplied for life insurance for five hundred thousand
dollars, naming Bill the sole beneficiary. The insurance company denied her application because
they said she was over insuring herlife, and I guess they kind of
found it fishy. In January ofnineteen seventy nine, Sue confided in her

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brother that she planned to invest twentyfive thousand dollars in a certificate offering twelve
percent interest. She asked if hewanted in on the deal, and he
declined. In February, Susan tolda teller at a bank in the King
of Prussia area that she needed towithdraw twenty five thousand dollars of the thirty
thousand dollars in her account. Theteller became suspicious and tried to explain to

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her that there are no legitimate investmentsthat would require her to hand over cash.
He offered to write her a cashier'scheck instead, and he offered other
ways to try to give her thismoney, but he did not want to
give her the twenty five thousand dollarscash, and the bank refused to give
her that amount because there were lawsprohibiting them from giving over that amount if

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they thought the withdrawaley was being victimized, and they thought she was, so
they didn't want to give her money. So Susan started taking the money out
in increments of fifteen hundred at atime, and she began making five thousand
dollars withdrawals until she reached the twentyfive thousand. Shortly after this occurred,
Oh, I got her back thatup, sorry, So she took fifteen

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hundred doll That's all the bank wouldgive her at that time because he thought
she was being victimized. So thenshe decided she was going to take out
five thousand at a time until shereached the twenty five thousand. So sorry,
I explained that weird. Shortly afterthis occurred it, Bill informed his
friend Chris Pavas and partner Wendy abouttwenty five thousand dollars that he had saved
up over the years and said hewas going to purchase a boat. Bill

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asked Chris and Wendy to rent asafety deposit box with all three of their
names on it. Now this isweird because Sue had just thrown out twenty
five thousand dollars and apparently she gaveit to Bill because Bill told her,
you know, he was going toinvest for her. But he was telling
his friends that he was getting aboat and that this money is his own
money that he saved, so awkwardlyenough. On March third, nineteen seventy

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nine, as I've mentioned, thisis when doctor J. C. Smith
was arrested for his theft crimes,and the the day that Susan Reinert took
out the life insurance policy, shetook out another one for two hundred and
fifty thousand plus a two hundred thousanddollars policy for accidental death including murder.
She changed her will, which nolonger included her brother or her children,

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but made Bill the soul beneficiary.On May thirtieth, Bill testified in Smith's
trial, giving him an alibi forthe time of the Sears theft, but
the journey wasn't convinced and Smith wassentenced to prison time. The odd thing
about this is Bill had claimed hehated Smith, constantly telling his friends that
Smith was after Susan and he wastrying to protect Susan and hated what Smith

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was doing, and so for himto actually testify in Smith's trial on his
behalf was very, very fishy.In June, Susan then took out two
more life insurance policies, one forone hundred thousand and one for one hundred
and fifty thousand. Along with whatshe inherited from her mother's path passing,

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her estate was now worth one pointone million dollars. The sad thing about
this is that Susan was deeply inlove with Bill, and perhaps he convinced
her to take all of these policiesout by telling her that Jay Smith was
stalking her and he was going tokill her, so as a precaution,
she just took the policies out becauseBill Is somehow convinced her that Jay Smith

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was going to kill her. Peopledo really stupid things when they're in love
with people, and the sad partis Bill never loved Susan at all.
He just used her. Bill blindto spend the summer of nineteen seventy nine
studying at the Saint John's College inSanta Fe, New Mexico, but he
wanted to go on a beach tripbefore he left, so he invited his

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friends Chris Papa, Sue Meyers,and Pennsiliis, which is weird because he
never hung out with them all once, but at this time he did.
He claims he wanted people around himthat weekend in case something happened to Susan
Reinert. He claims he would havebeen looked at as a suspect because of
her changing her will, so hekind of wanted all of these people as
his alibi. Late Friday, Junetwenty second, nineteen seventy nine, vince

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Vlidis was having dinner with Sue Meyersat the apartment she shared with bro with
Bill Bradfield. Bradfield's son, Martin, and the young man's girlfriend were also
present. There, but Bill Bradfieldhad not yet shown up. After dinner,
the group kind of went down toElidas's place to enjoy a movie.
As the hours went on, Myersdecided that Bradfield was not going to show

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up for the trip to Cape Mayafter all, so she went back home
and went to bed. It wasabout eleven to fifteen pm when Bradfield knocked
on Validas's stour. He asked afterSue Myers and was sold she had gone
to bed. Bradfield exchanged some formalitieswith Martin and his date before the couple
left. Then he turned to VinceElias and said, guess some guests for

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the car. Let's get it packed, Let's go. It was after midnight
when Bradfield, Myers, and Belidasdrove to Papa's house to pick him up.
Papas took over the driving. Onthe way, Bradfield exploded with this
kind of ti rate about some kindof apprehension he had about Sue Reinert.
He said, quote, I'm afraidthis is it. I had to quote

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I'm afraid this is the weekend DoctorSmith could kill Susan Reinert. I tried
to protect her. All it intoardher house, circled the house fourteen times.
I lost him in the hailstorm.So he shouted the first quote,
and he just continued shouting the restof this to everyone as if he had
this horrible gut feeling. This wasthe weekend that Susan was going to die.

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You don't know that, Evelidas saidto him. He was trying to
reassure him. You don't know thathe's going to do her any harm.
Bradfield seemed to give up. Quoteit's in God's hands end quote, and
that's what he said to Velidas.At about five o'clock am, the court
had arrived at the Heirloom apartments inCape May, New Jersey. They were
dismayed because both of the rooms theyhad ordered were locked and one was actually

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occupied. So the group sat inthe corridor with their baggage and they were
just griping about this situation. Theowner of Heirloom showed up at about seven
am, and she was kind ofembarrassed that she had made a mistake about
when the rooms had been reserved.She put Bradfield and Myers in one room,
Vlidas and Papa was in another.The weekend was not really a relaxing
vacation, Bradfield accompanied Vaalidas to Saturdaynight mass. Quote I want to pray

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for Susan Rennert end quote, andthen he told I guess he told Validas
you should pray for her too.Later that night, Bradfield, Myers,
and Papas went to a theater.Bradfield saved all of their ticket stubs that
night for some weird reason. OnSunday morning, Bradfield told Validas that they

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needed to attend another mass and orsorry, quote, We've got to pray
for Susan Reyner. This is tokeep evil from her end quote, he
explained. Before leaving the Heirloom apartments. That Monday, Bradfield paid their bill
with a check that had four nameson it, his own and that of
the friends with him. He askedfor a written her seat, and he
told the proprietor that she must includeFriday on the receipt. So this is

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all really fishy, really weird.He kept on his friends, all she's
gonna die, we got to prayfor her. And then he was keeping
track of a little thing they did. He was keeping receipts, ticket stubs,
and he wanted a specific date writtenon the check. And all of
their names to prove that he waswith them, So it seemed like he
was establishing some kind of alibi.When Bradfield and Myers got home, the

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first thing he told his longtime girlfriendwas he had to phone Jay Smith's attorney.
After the call, Bradfield beamed,quote, well Jay Smith was sent
to jail, Sue reinerd is thata harm's way? End to quote.
He seemed to have simply forgotten thefact that he had testified as an alibi
witness for the ex principle and hadmaintained that Smith was innocent of the crimes
for which he was tried. Rather, he appeared really delighted that the jury

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had ignored his testimony. So Elidaswas preparing for the trip to Saint John's
College in Santa Fe when an overjoyedBradfield burst in to his room. Upon
him quote, I just called doctorSmith's lawyer. They send him to prison.
End quote. Bill kind of sankinto a chair and started like weeping
dramatically and said, thank god he'sinto I saved that woman's life. Quote.

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But he didn't. He testified forhim. He testified for j So,
by some stroke of luck, thejury decided that Bradfield's testimony was bs
and they sentenced Jay Smith. Anyway, Bradfield went to Papa's house and the
scene was again re enacted what hewas telling Volidest in them he told him
to reenacted this whole dramatic crying thinghe was doing. The evening of the

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Monday that Susan Reinert's body was discoveredin her hatchback, Bill Bradfield and Chris
Papas took a flight to Santa Fe. Joanne Aitken began a two thousand mile
drive there behind the wheel of Bradfield'scar. Jay Smith arrived at the court
to be sentenced, and he wastwenty minutes late for his court eering,

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and the judge ultimately sentenced him totwo to five years. Police inventoried the
items that were found in Hinert's car. Most of them were ordinary things map,
a hairbrush, and candy wrappers,and then weirdly enough, they found
this dodo under the front seat ofher car, kind of weird. And
then underneath the body was something thatwould kind of later be a great significance.

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It was a brand new blue comband it was inscribed in white seventy
ninth US or a com along withan insignia of the Cross of Lorraine.
Later they would find that thousands ofsimilar combs were handed out as a recruiting
gimmick. The next day, aclose friend of Susan Reinert's, Sharon Lee,
phoned Bradfield at Saint John's to tellhim of Rynert's death. Quote do

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you know what was going on inHarrisburg or where she was planning to go
that weekend? End? To quote? And that's what Lee had asked,
or sorry, I had asked Bradfield, I have no idea. Bradford replied,
you were supposed to go to Englandwith her this summer, And that's
what Lee had said to him.No, Susan was pursuing me and trying
to persuade me to go to England, but I told her I wasn't interested.

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This is what Bradfield to Susan Wrynerwas friendly. Lee asked Bradfield if
he knew where the children were orwho was caring for them? The children?
Oh, yes, the children?How old were the children? And
apparently Sharon Lee kind of got achill at this moment because he had spoken

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of the children in a past tensewhich was really weird because no one knew
where they were, no one knewif they were dead as well yet so
he said were, so that kindof creaked her out. Later, Bradfield
got a call from Vince Validas.This was a couple of days after this
incident. He said, I've talkedto a priest. The priest told me
that it's important for you to godirectly to the police and tell them everything

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you know about Jayce Smith. Aftera pause, Bradfield suggests that it might
not have been jac Smith after all, maybe another man she was having an
affair with probably killed her, andBradfield told Validas that he was going to
talk to the police and autopsy waslater performed. Reinert some half a dozen
small red fibers and visible to thenaked eye, were actually found in her

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hair. A couple of blue fiberswere found, and there was a white
substance around her mouth and in herhair. It was not semen, but
it was actually a material that camefrom some kind of adhesive tape. The
corner made a really bad mistake thoughwith Susan's autopsy, he was unable to
find a needle mark in her body, so he actually described the cause of

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death as asphyxiation rather than the fatalinjection of morphine, and then after the
lab report came back it would becorrected that there was morphine in her system
and her ex husband, Kenneth Reiner, was somemoned to identify the body of
his ex wife. He was asuspect automatically. Sergeant Joe van Nort and
his partner Jack Holt observed his reactioncarefully. He appeared to be really distraught

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and he was answering their questions.He asked one of his own questions,
well, who's taking care of thekids? Kids? Is how one of
the officers replied, the father,and the officers made their own separate investigations.
No one knew where Karen and MichaelReiner were, or at least no
one would say they knew where theywere. A major problem with Susan's case

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occurred also due to the fact thatSusan's body ended up being cremated before investigators
finished examining it. So there waskind of an autopsy and everything, but
they weren't done and then it justgot cremated. Days and weeks went by
with investigators kind of combing a varietyof locations, hoping to find the children
and hoping that they would be foundalive. But this feeling of them being

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found alive in this hope kind ofwas dwindling because it had been so long.
Investigators began digging up wooded areas,but they found nothing from Santa fe.
Bill Bradfield called Vince Validas. Bradfieldknew that Evlidas was talking to investigators.
Quote, if you speak to thepolice again, you'll put me in
the electric chair. Quote. Andthat's what Bradfield had told Validas. Quote

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but Bill, you haven't done anythingwrong. Jay Smith killed Susan Reiner.
You tried your best to prevent it, end to quote. And that's what
Belidas was telling Bradfield because as faras I know, he genuinely wasn't aware
of everything that Bradfield was kind ofgetting him to, so he believed his
friend was innocent. Ja Smith didn'tdo it. And that's what Bill Bradfield

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kept telling Belidas, even though allthis time he's saying that the Jay Smith
was going to kill her. Nowhe's saying, oh, he didn't do
it. Who the hell did it? Then? Is what Elias was asking
him. I don't know who didit, but it's not doctor Smith's style,
and that's what Bradfield kept telling them. He didn't believe that Smith did

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it because his style of killing peoplewasn't this way. It wasn't whatever,
you know, beating people and puttingthem in a trunk and injecting a morphine.
And I'm not exactly sure how Bradfieldknew what doctor Smith's style was,
but he claims this wasn't his style. Bill had later been taken to court

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and he was charged, but hewasn't charge for Susan's murder. He was
charged for a theft by deception oftaking the twenty five thousand dollars for a
phony investment and he was going touse a boat or use it for a
boat. Belidis and Wendy Zeigler hadto testify as well. Wendy was given
immunity if she agreed to testify,and pap Us also testified about when Bill

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asked him to wipe fingerprints off ofthe twenty five thousand dollars. The jury
did deliberate for about ninety minutes onAugust third, in nineteen eighty one,
and Bradfield was then senced to upto two years in jail in December of
eighty one. He was released whenJoanna Aikins paid his bill on January nineteen
eighty three. Meanwhile, an investigatorfor Susan's murder, one of the important

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investigators, had actually passed away ofa fatal heart attack at the age of
fifty seven. He was actually practicingon a shooting rang. This was Joe
Van Nort and he suddenly just droppedover on the shooting range of a heart
attack. There was eventually enough evidencethat would possibly charge Bill Bradfield for the

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murder later, but at the timehe had only been charged for the taking
the twenty five thousand dollars. AndWendy Zeigler was also arrested at this time
because he had been hiding the twentyfive thousand dollars in a safety deposit box
and she had also been taking somemoney out of it, and she took

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money out of it on the daythat Susan and her children disappeared. But
most investigators kind of didn't believe thatZiegler didn't have anything to do with this
steft. She was like adamant thatshe had no idea that he stole it.
From Susan and all this, andshe just kept saying she was innocent
of that. She didn't know anythingabout it. She was just doing what

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Bradfield had asked her. But mostinvestigators didn't really believe her. But she
refused to cooperate with the police andthey needed her testimony, so they kind
of arrested her, and it wasto scare her so she would kind of

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give evidence against Bradfield. Three daysbefore the theft trial of Bradfield, he
filed suit to collect on Ronert's lifeinsurance policies. Zeigler then offered to testify
against him and once granted immunity.Judge Robert Wright presided over the trial for

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theft by deception. He reminded thejury that they were just trying the theft
and they were not trying the murder. They were claiming her death had nothing
to do with you know this thisparticular case, there was a defense attorney
for Bradfield, and he told thejury that the prosecution wanted them to believe

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that because mister Bradfield had saved somemoney over a period of years, that
he has to be guilty. Sothat was kind of his defense in this
trial was no, this is moneyI see to buy a vote, but
everyone knew that. Chris Papa's thentestified about he and Bradfield how they had
wiped the money. Like I hadsaid earlier, he was asked to wipe

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all of it, which is reallyweird. And then he testified that Bradfield
told him he had asked Ziegler totake the money out and put back three
hundred in the box so that itwouldn't be suspiciously empty. So it was
a very weird case that a lotof people were involved in. But they
claim that they didn't know what wasgoing on. They were only doing what

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Bradfield had asked them. They claimedthey didn't know that he was taking the
money from Susan and that they justthought it was money he had saved.
So it's kind of depressing because heinvolved all of these people in this.
So Bradfield did about two years closeto two years in prison from what it
seems, until he was bailed out. And then so he was bailed out

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in January of nineteen eighty three andhe was visiting some friends when he was
suddenly arrested for the murder of SusanRonert. Karen Rennert and Michael Ronnert on
April sixth of nineteen eighty three,so literally a few months after he was
free from prison for the crime ofthe phony investment and taking Susan's money,
he was arrested for her murder andhe spent you know, he went straight

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back to prison, and then onthe first night there, it was claimed
that somebody in the prison had beentaunting him, saying that he killed their
teacher and killed those babies. Soit apparently was somebody that Susan reinerd had
taught in her past, and thisguy was just taunting Bradfield because he didn't

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believe he was killty. And thenBradfield's trial began on October fifteenth of nineteen
eighty three, and the jury kindof heard about Susan's will and her insurance
policies, how she randomly changed herwill and randomly opened all of these life
insurance policies. And then Bradfield's friendsPolitas and Papa's had to testify again to

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his supposed concern about Smith plotting tokill Susan, and then they learned about
the fibers on Susan's body, andthe fibers on her body did match some
fibers in Smith's home, and ahair found in Smith's home actually microscopically matched
Susan's hair. And then that seventynineth THEBSR com comb that was found in

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the tire well of her corpse supposedlybelonged to doctor J. Smith as well.
So I guess the prosecutor didn't makeany attempt to link at Bradfield directly
do they air the comb or thefibers, but it was kind of used
to suggest that Bradfield I had participatedin a conspiracy with Smith, so they

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both were conspiring to kill her,and then it was enacted. Neighbors testified
to seeing Bill Bradfield's Volkswagen parks infront of Susan's house all night, so
that was kind of odd. Andthen Florence Reinert, which was Susan's former
mother in law and grandmother to thechildren, also testified about her being a

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great mother and how she was goodto her kids. And at one point
Susan's son Michael had told her thatthey were going to get a van when
they went to Europe with Bill,and Florence had asked him, well,
who is Bill and Michael said,Bill Bradfield my mother's friend. So the

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weird thing is it was claimed thatBill had told them he was going to
take him to England and take himon a trip, but he had told
others that was not happening. Hedidn't love her like that, and she
was crazy and making this up andall of this, but it's just it's
stupid. He made all of thesepromises to her and her children, and

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he was telling everyone else he didn'teven love her at all and everything.
And then another prisoner had testified,Proctor Nole, he made friends with Bradfield
in prison. He testified that Bradfieldtold him that Susan and the kids had
been killed because he was in afinancial bond and he needed that money.

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He said it wasn't meant for thekids, It was only meant for Susan.
But he couldn't really leave any stonesunturned, so if he was going
to kill her, he was goingto kill the children too. Chris papa
Is also testified and there was apiece of paper introduced to him where Bradfield
had written these random, incriminating phraseson so the paper said fingerprints on money.

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I was there during insurance man's visitperjury at Saint David's and Lord and
killed kids taped her, so hejust wrote down these random phrases that pretty
much no one else would understand.So Papas was kind of asked about this,
you know, he could provide anyinsight about this. But on the
day he took the stand, thecourt had to be recessed because Bradfield was

(44:29):
sick. And then the next dayhe was able to take the witness stand.
And Bradfield is a very boisterous,loud person. You know, it
seemed from what he had done andhow dramatic he was, that he was
very like confident stuff on himself.But they said when he took the stand,
he was very subdued. You couldbarely understand him. And his attorney

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kind of took him through his relationshipwith doctor Smith and how he pretended to
be a close friend of the principlein hopes that he could curb the homicidal
man's tendencies. So the way theywere putting it was from what I gathered
that Bradfield had claimed he was pretendingto be doctor J. Smith's friend so

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that maybe he could convince him notto kill Susan. But of course most
other people didn't buy this, andI don't buy this. I think that
he became his friend to get himto help kill Susan. I think he
wanted help and he went to Smith. And then Bradfield had said, I

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was spending more and more time withSmith. By the Christmas of nineteen seventy
eight, I was spending more andmore time trying to be near Sue yin
Er to see if she was okay. I was at the point of taking
doctor Smith seriously enough that I checkedon Susan Reiner almost constantly. And Bradfield's
attorney said, well, why didn'tyou go to the police at this point?
And I guess the way Bradfield explainedit was that he and his friend

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Validas and Christ to a lesser extent, talked about what we should do,
but we didn't know whether we reallybelieved it, and we didn't think we
knew enough to be able to trustthe police. In light of what doctor
Smith was saying. The more seriouslywe took him, the more afraid we
became to do anything. We wereprisoners of our own fear. I don't
believe this at all. I don'tbelieve they were afraid. I think that

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that was Bradfield's plan the entire time, was to look afraid around his friends,
but in reality he was best friendswith Smith to try to kind of
orchestrate this whole entire plan to killher and get some money because you know,
she had opened a lot of lifeinsurance policies and I was stated that
her estate was worth one million dollarsand that would obviously help him out of
his financial situation. So Bradfield thenstated that he had never planned to kill

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Ronert, and he did not killher children, and he never planned to
kill our children. So eventually hewas tried for her murder, like I
was just stating, the trial,and he he was convicted on three accounts

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of conspiracy to commit murder on Octobertwenty eighth of nineteen eighty three, and
Bradfield was sentenced to three life sentencesto be to be served consecutively. And
I kind of liked what the prosecutorhad stated. At the end of the
whole the whole trial, prosecutor Guitahad delivered a very powerful and emotional summation.

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It says he focused on the factthat the children's remains were never found,
while Susan's were kind of deliberately displayedto the public because her car was
parked in a parting lot and shewas stuffed in the trunk, but the
trunk was propped open. It wasalmost like somebody was asking her to be
found. And so Guida said,quote, what were the children worth of

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the defendant as opposed to the restof the six billion people in the world
who benefits from the scenario? Whyweren't the three of them in the car
or in the alternative, if you'retalking about Smith, why isn't Susan Reiner
in the same place with their childrenwho have never been found? Whoever did
this, whoever helped in the commissionof this crime, was savvy enough to
make sure that those children's bodies wouldnever be found. But he took the

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awful chance of driving a dead bodyall the way to Harrisburg and parking in
a public parking lot, and hewalked around behind that car and opened the
hatch for the world to see theexposed body of Susan Reinert. Do you
know why the body was exposed?Because this body is worth the one person
in the world seven thousand dollars apound, and it had to be found
during the alibi weekends so that hecould say to the world, I couldn't
possibly have done it. No oneelse benefits from this scenario. No one

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could have taken this chance unless theydid it for Bill Bradfield, because nobody
collects on insurance unless they have abody. Perhaps that's a final irony.
The big mistake was when he killedthe children, because I couldn't make this
argument to you if it was SusanReinert alone. But they panicked the children
were worth anything. Real measure ofirony, a real measure of justice,
is that the children's lives were perhapsnot sacrificed in vain because their absence at

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this scene speaks so loudly of thedefendant's guilt that I submit to you it
is impossible to ignore. No oneelse benefits in this terrible chance of exposing
the body except the defendant. Todayis October twenty eighth, nineteen eighty three,
five years ago today, Susan ReynerIt's mother died and the plan to
killer began. And today the conspiracyends. And we are going to leave
this to you end quote. Andso that's what the prosecutor stated to the

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court. And then, of courseBradville was ultimately convicted and received three life
sentences. And then two years laterSmith was actually charged with the murders of
Susan, Karen and Michael as wellon June twenty fifth of nineteen eighty five,
so it was six years to theday after Susan's naked body was found

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in the parking lot, and Smithwas finally he was already in prison,
but he was he was told aboutthis misell. He was told that you're
going to be tried in these murders. So Guido was also the prosecution in

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this as well in Smith's case,and Vince Vladis suggested that the sand that
was found with Reinnert's feet in thecar could have come from picking up her
son who'd been playing baseball up withthe sandlot, and much of the testimony
that was featured in this trial waskind of a rerun of the earlier trials,

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both that of Bradfield for murder andthat of Smith for theft by deception.
Costobolos did believe that Smith was guiltyin the theft by deception pretending to
be the brings worker, but hewas kind of outraged when it came to
the murders because he thought that therewas an admissible hearsay and pre judicial statements
from the witnesses when they testified tothe things Bridefield told them about Smith and

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readily conceded that it was fantasy madeup by Bradfield. But the repetition of
horrors ascribed to the defendant had tohave a prejudicial effect, so Costabulos tried
to make it seem that the witnessescould not be trusted. That would be
Chris Papas, Belidas and everyone ofthat nature, all the friend group.
Chris Papas was questioned and the lawyerCostabelos said, what instrumentalities of crime did

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you turn over to the authorities,And Papas said that he had turned over
some ski masks and chains and locksthat went with them, and a bugging
device and he turned over at threefifty seven magnum, those are the items
I immediately recall. And Papas alsotalked about grinding the numbers of the serial

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numbers off of a thirty caliber withacid, but he said he didn't do
the acid. He was trying togrind them. He was stating that he
did this to protect Susan Reinert fromdoctor Smith. But it's kind of weird

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to me why he was grinding thegrinding the numbers off of the guns.
So I'm assuming he was supposedly grindingthem off for Bradfield so that if Bradfield
had to shoot Smith and it's protectingRoinert, that the gun would we trace
the both things of that nature,which is very weird. I truly don't
think that Volaidis and Papas had anythingto do with the murder. I do

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part of me believes that they reallydidn't know that Bradfield was involved or going
to be involved, and they werebelieving this nonsense that Bradfield was telling them
that Smith was after her and nothim. But they all they all did
some shady stuff to or whether theywere aware of it or not, with

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the taking of the money and helpinghide it and everything. But I'm not
sure how much they really knew.I think they were just doing what they
were told, which they were allgrown adults. But this kind of makes
me mad because if somebody asked meto white fingerprints off of twenty five thousand
dollars, I'm going to be suspicious. And I'm probably not going to do
it. So the fact that theydid it for him and did all these

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things without question is really weird tome. He had such a powerful influence
over them that he probably exercised somefear. He might have threatened them,
or they were just afraid of him, I think so. I think that
they were terrified and they just dideverything that he asked. Very weird,

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very weird influence he had over allof his friends. And then later Jay
Smith was also convicted of three countsof murder by the next day and soon
after that. Even since the death, he showed almost no emotion as the
sense was pronounced, and Costapolo saidthat Smith leaned over and he told with

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his attorney who had lost the case, you flunk. So that's kind of
creepy. But it says that BillBradfield had sent in some articles that he
had settled into his confinement at maximumsecurity a Greater Food prison on February nineteenth

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of nineteen eighty five, and thenI guess a mob of inmates went to
a sell at about nine pm anddemanded he go to the payphone and call
the father of the children so thathe could tell them where the bodies were
because he needed to have a decentburial for his children. So people were

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harassing Bradfield in prison, saying thathe needed to come out with where the
bodies were because the father deserved toknow and the father deserved to give them
a proper burial, which is funnyto me because it's true. I mean,
even if there were other inmates inthere that were, you know,
bad people, they were kind ofsticking up for Kenneth Reinhardt, who was

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the father of the children that wentmissing, and saying, hey, you
need to tell this man where theyare. So even they felt that it
was wrong that no one was talkingabout the children. And then Bradfield,
it said that he never expressed aword of guilt or remorse for the murders.
And he died on January sixteenth,nineteen ninety eight, of a heart
attack at the age of sixty four, and Jay Smith, who was fifty

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eight at the time of his conviction, was placed on death row in a
tiny, little isolated cell. Heoften would spend his day's exercising and he
would read. Supposedly he read theBible a lot, and he wrote letters
to his brother William and his youngestdaughter, Sherry, and then his lawyer
Castalpolos was convinced they had grounds foran appeal. In July of nineteen eighty

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six, anonymous tips reclue the lawyerin to another ground for appeal. The
caller said, contrary to the assertationsof both witness and prosecution, Raymond Martrey
had gotten deal in exchange for sestimony. Castablo's uncovered evidence that the District Attorney's
office had known of the lifters thatpicked up sand from Reynards feet and still
withhold it from the defense. Sohe went to the Pennsylvan Supreme Court with

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these issues, and on December twentysecond, nineteen eighty nine, the Pennsylvania
Supreme Court delivered a Christmas present toconvicted murder j Smith. It ruled that
he was entitled to a new trial. Smith remained in prison, but he
was taken off of death row.And that was also not the last or

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surprising victory that Castopolos would win forhis client. He sought a change in
Pennsylvania's law regarding double jeopardy one thatwould preclude the prosecution from a retrial if
they had as Costobolo's alleged, theyhad, in Smith's case, engaged in
intentional, wilful, and deliberate prosecutorialmisconduct. It took three more years before

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the state court on the argument.On September eighteenth, nineteen ninety two,
the court ruled in favor in orderthat Jace Smith be released. So Jayce
Smith was released from prison. Andto be part, I don't know how
to put this in my opinion,I'm not sure if Smith ever had anything
to do with it, but Istrongly believe that Bradfield did. Bradfield was

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just a terrible, shady piece ofshit. He admitted basically that you know,
he needed to do this for financialgain, things of that nature,
and just the way he treated Susanthe entire time they were together. You
know, he was telling her hewas leader on, saying he loved her
and they were going to get married, and telling all these other people that
she was just some creep basically thatwas obsessed with him. Bradfield was the

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person with the most motive and wasthe shadiest, and I'm not sure.
I'm not sure about Smith. Ijust don't think that there's proper evidence to
convict him. I really do believethat Bradfield was just accusing Smith because you
know, he's got to take theblame off himself. So I don't know.

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I mean, maybe they could havebeen working together, like you know,
I thought, But that's crazy.This is a very very crazy,
crazy situation. A lot of peopleI know this, This really enraged a
lot of people, and they werekind of repulsed by the court's decision to

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let Smith out because they strongly believeSmith had murdered her and her two children.
Ken Reiner was really enraged about it, and second and his stepdaughter said
that she was definitely afraid for himto be released because she thought that maybe
he would come for them too.And so after this article was written,

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it was said that Smith was livingin Pennsylvania in two thousand and one,
two thousand and two, and hewas in very good physical health at the
time. I do kind of believeI mean, he's not a good person

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just because of robberies he had pulledoff, but he just don't think I
mean, he might have been weirdin everything of that nature, but I
just don't think he I don't thinkhe had a reason. And it's sad
that all of these people. Andanother thing is that Bradfield hoodwinked as it

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says like he tricked all of hisfriends, Chris Popus, volaidas, Sue
Meyers. They all were tricked.They were all deceived by this man,
Bradfield. And just because of himdoing all of that, I just strongly
believe he's guilty. And he diddie in prison. So Chris Popas was

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working in construction at one point afterthe trial, Sue Meyers and Vince Phaliitis
were allowed to teach again by UpperMarian, and then Sue Meyers eventually moved
and I was living in West Virginia. Baladis stayed at Upper Marian and he's
the head of the English department.And he also states that the case still
causes some anxiety because it will nevergo away. People tend to forget that

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this was a great personal tragedy forme, how many people involved. I've
learned a great deal about sociopathic personalitiesand the nature of evil end quote.
And that's what Balladis stated. WendyZeigler is reportedly a calmeally nun really weird
in California, weird that she switchedover to that, but hey, and
Joanne Aiken is an architect in Boston. So all of these people kind of

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moved on, at least physically movedon. So they all they all moved
on from this with a lot offear and anxiety. It just essentially destroyed
their lives for a while what Bradfielddid to them. And at the time

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of that article, which I believewas in two thousand and two, it
was stated that jac Smith was stilldoing very well and he had returned to
Pennsylvania, or I guess he wasstill in Pennsylvania. But he did pass
away on May twelve of two thousandand nine. I had just located that.
So it's crazy to me, butI do. I mean, I

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am glad that he was able toclear his name if he truly didn't do
anything before he passed away and helived the rest of his life. But
the sad part is now that thishas never been solved. They claim it's
unsolved. I don't believe it's unsolved. Technically, if you believe that Bradfield
did it, it's not really unsolved. I believe that Bradfield did it.

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The only sad part is, andthe only the part that's unsolved really is
where are her children? They werenever located. It was never even discussed
because Bradfield claimed that he didn't dothis, so he didn't want to go
and admit guilt by saying, well, the bodies of the children are here.
So the children have never been foundto this day, and that's really

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the depressing part of the entire thing. And there have been cases that are
older than this that have been solvedrecently, so I guess the best thing
to do is just to continue holdingout hope that someday those babies will be
found. All right, everyone thatconcludes this episode of its Crime Time,
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get your podcasts, that would begreat. I appreciate everyone who listens,
everyone who supports this podcast always,always will appreciate that because I know that
my posts and everything of that naturehave been extremely sporadic in the years that
I've done this, but it's somethingI still thoroughly enjoy, so I really
appreciate everything. Thank you for listening, and until next time. A. S.