S02E23: The Gruesome Murder of Shad Thyrion by Taylor Schabusiness

On February 23, 2022 dispatchers in Green Bay Wisconsin received a 911 call at 3:28 AM from a woman and her boyfriend who had just discovered her 24-year-old son, Shad Thyrion’s severed head in a bucket at the bottom of their basement stairs. The woman was awakened by noises of her front door slamming and what she thought was a running car in her driveway. Upon waking, she noticed the basement light on and went to investigate. This is when she made the gruesome discovery. The last person known to have contact with Shad was 24-year-old, Taylor Schabusiness (Coronado).
Sources CourtTV (2023) AP News (2023) New York Post (2023)News Week (2023)Document Cloud- Taylor Denise Schabusiness Criminal Complaint (2022)Law&Crime Network: 'Is This Blood?' Bodycam shows Arrest of Taylor Schabusiness After Lover's Murder-Video (2023)
Audio Law&Crime Network-'Fake Head or Something?': Mother Dials 911 After Finding Son's Severed Head- Video (2023)

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Episode Transcript

(00:01):
Hello listeners, and welcome back toanother episode of its Crime Time. I
know this case has been very popularand I've seen mention of her name literally
everywhere lately, but I knew absolutelyzero about her case, who she was.
And I'm not sure why I exactlychose not to look into this case

(00:22):
sooner, considering it's been everywhere,and I thought maybe there was something interesting
about it, considering it was literallyall over the news, it was everywhere,
you know, online, but Ijust never read about it. I
never looked into it. And Idid finally read some articles and really went
down a rabbitle with this case.And this is probably one of the more
gruesome crimes upon a single victim inthe twenty twenties so far, at least

(00:46):
that I've heard about. And I'mtalking about the case of tailorship business and
shad theory. In all right,everyone, it's crime Time. Before I

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continue this episode, I would liketo place a disclaimer here that this episode
does make mention of sexual assault ona minor and various other graphic sexual details,
and if that is something that youfeel you cannot handle, please feel
free to click away. Taylor DeniseCoronado was born on November twenty third,

(01:44):
nineteen ninety seven, in Chicago,Illinois, to parents Marla and Arturo Coronado.
She has a brother, Arturo Junior, who they say goes by AJ.
When Taylor was in fourth grade,the family moved to Wisconsin, and
then in May of two thousand andnine, Taylor's mother, Marla, had
passed away due to chronic sources ofthe liver. Her mother was an alcoholic

(02:07):
and she struggled with some dependency issues, and of course that led to her
having sources of the liver and ultimatelyit took her life. So this was
a rough time for Taylor in life. And before I continue, I should
not have to explain myself, butI'm not sympathizing with her in the fact

(02:29):
that obviously she killed someone, andI'm not saying that that's a valid reason.
You know that she had a roughstart in life, and you know,
our mother passed away and all this, but she was young, and
everyone deals with things differently, andshe did not deal with it well and
it kind of helped to shape her. Now, her choices are her own

(02:50):
and she made her own choices.We all go through hardships in life,
and of course I'm not a murderer, you know, and neither of you,
I hope no, But seriously sonot all of us who have dealt
with hardships obviously go out and killpeople. But that's kind of I think

(03:10):
the start of things when it comesto turning her into the type of person
she was. So this was devastatingfor her because she was close with her
mother. And I'm not really surewhat effect her mother's actual alcoholism had on
her as a child, but Ican't imagine it was a very good one.
But nonetheless, she was very closewith her mother, and this this

(03:31):
was a devastating time, and shestarted acting out at this time. And
Arturo, her father, then marriedagain just one year after Marla's death,
and this new wife of his alsohad children of her own, and Taylor
just found it difficult to kind offit into the family anymore due to,

(03:52):
you know, grieving her mother andthen not even having much time to grieve
her mother really before her father hadalready moved on. And I'm not saying
that someone shouldn't move on, notjudging there, it's just it took him
a year and she was young,and so it became difficult for her,
and she started acting out, andher father kind of tried everything he could.

(04:12):
He did find at one point herattempting suicide, and he attempted to
get help for her and everything,but none of this worked. So she
eventually moved in with her paternal grandparentsin Texas, primarily because of what I
had mentioned about her feeling like shereally didn't fit into the family now that
her mother had pass and her fatherwould remarried. And as a teenager,

(04:38):
Taylor engaged in drug use such asheroin and meth amphetamines, which I mean,
she did witness her mom, youknow, struggle with addiction, and
sometimes I guess that's that's a familything, it's a genetic thing. A
lot of a lot of families havethat issue. But she kind of just

(04:58):
took up drug use. In twentyeighteen, her father was handed a twelve
year prison sentence for sexually assaulting rapinga minor under sixteen years old. So
apparently a thirteen year old girl hadcome forward and said that Arturo had went
into her bedroom with her and heraped her in her bedroom. So he

(05:20):
was also given eighteen years of supervisionafter he would be released from doing the
twelve years In prison. So atthis point, Arturo's second wife leaves him
due to the allegations and then ultimatelycharges against him, and I obviously don't
blame her there. So a secondwife left and he was in prison and
Taylor was living with her grandparents atthis time. On February fourteenth of twenty

(05:46):
twenty, Taylor Mary is a mannamed Warren Chabeau. Chabeau was actually his
legal last name, and it somehowbecame Shaw Business on his Facebook. And
then Taylor Cornado legally changes her nameto Taylor Shab Business instead of Chaveau,
which, by the way, veryweird, very weird choice of last name.

(06:10):
I have no idea what made themchange it to Shaw Business. I
think it was honestly something funny,something I really literally feel like it was
to be funny, like because Warrenand Taylor they had their own small businesses
going on on Facebook. They wereyoung entrepreneurs and Taylor often posted on the

(06:33):
Internet about making beadwork items. Shemade necklaces, dog tags, bracelets,
and she sold them on their Facebook. So they had small businesses and I
literally, I have no idea.I'm just taking a wildcast. The Shaw
Business was to be funny. Ihave no idea, so I thought that
was really weird. And then theJune following her marriage, Taylor is arrested

(06:55):
when a man calls emergency services toreport her acting strangely, and a requests
a welfare check on her because hejust feared that she was under the influence
of something and she was just actingreally weird. So the police arrive outside
and they attempt to talk to her, and she asked the police why she
has to stop for them and informsthem that she just shot up and was

(07:15):
on a different planet at that moment. So, yeah, she was,
I guess outside acting really erradically,really weird, and someone saw her and
they called police, and then policecame and they discovered she was definitely on
drugs. She was out of it, and she admitted it. She just
fought I admitted it, like,yeah, I just shut up. I'm
on a different planet. Then theofficer calls for backup and the other officer

(07:40):
arrives, and when he does,Taylor is being argumentative with the officers and
she starts to walk across the roadinto oncoming traffic, and one of the
officers attempts to grab her to takeher to safety and she just begins kicking
them. So she's flailing around kickingat them because they kind of had a
hold of her. They were not, you know, about to let her
get hit by a car. Soshe is arrested at this point, and

(08:03):
she was charged with battery on amember of law enforcement and resisting a wrestler.
Got three months probation out of this, which I find odd because I
know people that have done a lotless and definitely got prison time, But
I'm not sure how Wisconsin works legally. Of course, that was their choice.
I believe this was her first time, you know, with law enforcement

(08:28):
or having any kind of encounter withlaw enforcement on her own behalf where she's
doing something bad. And then twomonths after this, so about in August,
she gets in trouble again after anofficer attempts to pull her over for
speeding and she just takes off andengages them on a high speed chase.
When they managed to apprehend her,they locate a little drug kit in her

(08:48):
car. I believe it was inher center console. It had syrenders,
tourniquets thanks for shooting up, otherdrug paraphernalia, probably meth smoking equipment,
whatever, and the drugs themselves.She was charged with possession of drugs and

(09:11):
drug paraphernalia, and apparently they didcheck the syringes and this orange had like
some crystals in there which turned outto actually be methamphetamine, so oddly enough,
she was injecting myth. She alsogot charged with obstructing an officer,

(09:33):
not complying with probation guidelines, andfleeing. She was given three months in
prison in eighteen months probation, buther prison time was reduced to only being
house arrest. Later in twenty twenty, her husband, Warren, was arrested
with forty six grims of methamphetamine forattempting to distribute. He was given a

(09:54):
plea deal, and he made apost on Facebook stating that he was locked
up on federal charges and that heknew he would be out by twenty twenty
four. In October of twenty twentyone, Taylor gave birth to a baby
boy whom she named Mateo Coronado,which is very weird. She gave the
baby her last name and not evenShaw business, which thank goodness, that's

(10:18):
horrendous, but Teo Coronado, whichokay, and she was very excited to
be a mother at this point,the child was her husband Waurren's, and
CPS actually took Mateo from her twentyfour hours after she had given birth,

(10:39):
and I do I have not foundout, but I do believe that it
obviously has to do with her druguse and things of that nature. They
probably, you know, when hewas born, they probably tested him or
witnessed, you know, him withdrawingsomething of that nature, and so he
was taken immediately, I mean twentyfour hours after. But still Taylor then

(11:01):
goes to a shelter and her grandmotheris given custody of Mateo. Since Taylor's
husband had been sent to prison andshe lost custody of her child, it
kind of makes sense that she wouldbe seeking, you know, some sort
of companionship. And this is whereshe began seeing Chad Theory. And she
had known Shadd from school and theyhad kept in contact, and Taylor and

(11:22):
Shad began some sort of sexual relationshipat this point in time because Shad had
been single and Taylor's husband was inprison. I don't know that they actually
began a serious dating type of relationshipbecause from what I've gathered, they were
just friends or like friends of benefitssomething of that nature or whatever. But

(11:45):
her husband was in prison. Shewas seeking comfort in Chad or having another,
you know, a man around.So she became close with Shad and
they began some sort of relationship.And I believe Shad was twenty four at
the time and Taylor was twenty fouras well at this point. On February

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twenty third, twenty twenty two,police received a phone call at three twenty
eight am to be dispatched to ahome in Green Bay, Wisconsin. This
call was from Tara, who wasShad's mother. Tara had located her son,
Shad's head in a bucket in thebasement. Tara's boyfriend can be heard
stating that something's in the damn bucket, and she's a little freaked out and

(12:33):
it's kind of freaking me out.This is what he tells the dispatcher.
The dispatcher asked what makes her thinkthat her son's head is in that bucket,
and she tells them she saw it. I decided to insert a clip
of the nine one one call madeby Shad's mother after the discovery of his
severed head in the bucket. Itis particularly hard to hear it in some

(12:56):
parts, but the initial call wasmade by her boyfriend, and then you
can kind of hear her in thebackground, and then she talks on it
briefly. Yes, I live anofficer eight point nine stony Brook just woke

(13:16):
me up. Swears that she conderstep ahead of her son in a base
eight point ninety stony Brook is ae why right, yes ninety, Just
start wanting. Mine number is threetwo seven three seven, my name speed,

(13:46):
yes, and okay, happening thereagain. I don't blue what's happening
with my girl? Swears that she'sfoundered ever ahead of her son and the
baby. Fuck it, I wentdown. I can't know what the fucking
I turned my raggage up, kindof freaked up. Yeah, who was

(14:16):
who? She claiming her son?Oh then twenty four, twenty five or
no, Yeah, he was hereyesterday with some chick and then now all
of a sudden, nobody is here. And she came up to these restaurant

(14:39):
couple times, and she keeps callingand calling. Now she's saying that she
hears the phone down there too.She with me right now, Yes,
I want yes, there's grow upand I don't know what to do.
And he said you went down there, right, Yeah, I as a

(15:00):
whole. But I can't. Ican't see very well and I can't what
that hop So there's something in thereI got, just something they got?
Did about it? She mac movedagain, and I can. I don't
know. Do you think or doyou think that I haven't done? So?

(15:20):
I went there? Something the damnbuspet I can't a man? She
moved reduncan pat freak heal uh patormagnet. Oh we said a lot of
start p A K. Then Ic h t A. All right,

(15:52):
what's your middle initial? I okay? Oh yeah, kind of Oh yeah,
you hear me. You have togo go what's your native birth?
What's the birth? But four jeansgo before? All right? Can I
talk to her? Yeah? Shecouldn't say. So my par becomes this

(16:18):
going on, pray pad my buddy. Heads in a bucket? I am
okay? What we make them?What makes quote? What makes you think
that because I loved at a bucket? When what did you see exactly what
I'm legend? Okay, where where'sthe uh? Where's the rest of the

(16:40):
body at you? When's the lasttime you saw your son? Oh?
Well, I guess Wednesday so Ithink you guys on my maid and here's
normally stay here, he stay hereher kids. I left the bog.

(17:03):
He hear a couple of hours saidhe loved with Taylor and they favorite Taylor
girl and condos Coronado. No,no exactly, but it's the common from

(17:25):
her. He he went, hewas to the middle school at high school
with her, so he doesn't withme when when I job, well,
he loves her. Those they bothcame back. I believed they wore a
long sleeping Monday nights and I hadbeen left off day yesterday, so I

(17:55):
didn't receive him when they nursed physically, I thought six an old day.
I was going for a little whilethe two days and it's twenty fire.
I want to what do you do? Mean? You know what I mean?
And then and then I hurt mydoor and hurt me, and I

(18:19):
started, and I liked, Iwas scared, and I went to the
bathroom with the lights around of thebasiness, and I like to hurt them
off, and I looked around fromthem there and then when I turned around
because I was scared, a buckethow over and I'm like, oh great,
that's right there. Now I carehow I gets there were pissed in
the bucket, and then I lookednot over in that bucket, sad serious

(18:48):
at the kat he ate why oureyes spoken, and I had that sets
down there. No, okay,all right, now I have offers that

(19:11):
are head over your house right now, heat over, okay, hold on
that area. But it's cuculated wherethe second level where I'm six the basics,
we have the doors and stuff.Okay, all right now, I'm

(19:34):
sixteen. Excuse the sixteen ladders herefreeing and they do not make a lot
of money at let us know thatthey won't try. Okay, I jump
out of my has being so ohand have your shirt could do something.

(20:04):
I'm looking all right, man,waiting for the officers. Okay, all
right, And it kind of soundslike the dispatcher didn't really believe. And
I mean I understand. I wouldbe in disbelief to if somebody calls me
and says, I just found myson's head in a bucket in the basement

(20:26):
at three twenty eight in the morning, very creepy. I could not even
imagine. That would be horrendous,It would be terrifying, heartbreaking. I
couldn't imagine you know what Chad's motherwas feeling at this time. She probably
was in a very large state ofdisbelief at first, you know, because

(20:48):
she was hearing noises and things ofthat nature, and she thought she heard
a vehicle I guess, pull intotheir driveway or something, and you know,
this all was kind of freaking around, and she decided to go down
to the base and look, andright, I guess at the bottom of
the steps was the bucket, andit had some sort of sheet or blanket
or towel over it, and sheremoves it and looks and she sees a

(21:12):
head in there, and it isher son's. So I could not even
imagine. She kind of woke upat this point because she thought she heard
like somebody knock on the door aswell. And there was a storm that
night, so the door had slammedand maybe it was from the storm,

(21:33):
but she kind of feared that somebodyhad been there, you know, creeping
around or something. So and thiswas between two and three am, and
then she noticed the basement light wason, so that's when she went to
investigate. She heard the vehicle,the loud bang of the door. She
went down to the basement and Idon't obviously blame her for going down there.

(21:55):
It's her house and she's going toinvestigate. And especially ran a buckets
that showed up at the bottom,you know, the stairs, and it
wasn't there before, so a closerlook was taken in in the bucket,
and in this bucket was Shad's severedhead, his severed penis, and two
knives. There was a torso andbody parts in various bags, as well
as a carving knife and a breadknife. A blood crusted mattress and some

(22:19):
drug paraphernalia were also found nearby.Tara had stated that she had not seen
her son for two days. OnFebruary twenty first, Taylor picked Shad up
at nine thirty pm. Tara's boyfriendhad seen Taylor go into the basement during
the early morning hours on February twentysecond. This information obviously spurs police to
investigate Taylor further because she could bea possible victim of the crime as well,

(22:44):
or she could be implicated as themurder of Shad, so she could
have been as murder. So eitherway, police needed to further search the
home and then go talk to Taylor. So the police further searched the home
to see what other Evan can befound, and meanwhile, they needed to
locate Taylor in question hers. Sothey kind of show up at her home

(23:04):
and they notice her. They catchher right there exending her van. It
actually wasn't her van, it washer roommates or something of that nature.
But either way, she's getting outof the van and she's dressed in all
black, but the officers still noticethat she's covered in blood. So it's
dark out, she's wearing black,and they still see the blood on her,
So let's submend a decent amount.Officers arrest Taylor and they take her

(23:27):
in for questioning, and they doinspect her van, and when they start
to the van, they locate acrop pot box containing more body parts,
including some legs in it behind thedriver's seat. This van, actually,
like I said, belonged to Taylor'sroommates, So I couldn't even imagine,
you know, her roommate finding outshe had brutally murdered Chad and then put

(23:51):
body parts in the van. Likejust imagine, you know, your vehicle
being taken by the police, andyou know, they say, oh,
we need investigate the real murder.We found body parts in it. That's
crazy. So at the station,they informed Taylor that Shead's head had been
located in a bucket as mother's home, and she replies with, quote,

(24:11):
that's pretty fucked up. End quote. She explains to them that she blacked
out because her and Chad had beensmoking marijuana, smoking myth, which she
refers to as the bitch, andshooting up Tresident. So I don't understand
why I've never tried it, obviously, but she refers to meth as the
bitch. She explains that she hadgrabbed two dog choker collars and brought them

(24:36):
to the basement. Now they wereinto bedism, which I'm not going to
go into too much detail, butit's perfectly fine in consenting circumstances. It's
a really large community. It's nobig deal, of course, So he
was consenting. They were obviously goingto engage in some sexual acts, and
he puts the dog collars down,but she explains that when she put the

(24:57):
choker on him, she choked himuntil he She says that Chad was kind
of laying face down on the bedand she was sitting on his back or
something, riding him like a donkey. Very weird, but hey, whatever's
that's their thing. And she waschoking him with the collar, so she
was kind of grabbing onto the backof the collar. She was sitting on

(25:18):
his back and she was choking him, and she said she could kind of
feel his heart beating. I guessthrow his back when she was sitting on
him, and for some reason,she just decided she wanted to take his
life by continuing to choke him.She was clearly not in her right mind
when explaining the story because she kindof explains how he could rebuild. So

(25:40):
I'm assuming she believed that if shekilled him and stopped his heart, that
he would rebuild himself and he wouldcome back. She said that his face
turned purple and he was coughing upblood, but she kept choking him.
She tells him she enjoyed killing himand that even after he was dead.
This is very brutal. By theway, after he was dead, she

(26:03):
continued the sex acts on him.She performed oral sex on him. She
put a dodo in his mouth andin his anus, and she was playing
around with his body for two tothree hours. She said, then,
I guess after this whole sex actthing is done, which that's crazy to
me. She decides she wants tocut him up using knives from his mother's

(26:23):
kitchen. So at this point sheobviously realized, Okay, he's not rebuilding,
he's not waking up, you know. So I'm not sure if she
truly believed this or if it wasjust, you know, some stories she
had made up to make herself seemcrazy. She was obviously on drugs at
the time. If you watch herinterrogation, she makes no sense. You

(26:45):
can barely understand some of the stuffshe says. But I truly don't really
believe that she thought he could comeback to life. I just don't.
But she said she did. Andshe says she chose a breadknife because it
was serrated and it made it itmade it easier to dismember his body.
She laughs kind of when the policequestion her and says that she can't believe

(27:07):
she got lazy and forgot his head. And you can view her interrogation video
and it's quite disturbing. But honestly, this kind of thing's odd to me
because what type of person would shehave been if she wasn't on drugs,
you know what I mean? Ialways see that, and I always hear
things that people do when they're owndrugs, when they have mental illness,
you know. So if she wasn'ton drugs, if she'd never touched drugs

(27:30):
in her life, would she haveever even killed him? Would she have
ever been the type of person sheis if she had just gotten help for
her mental health and stayed off of, you know, the illegal substances.
So I'm not sure. It alljust makes me wonder about people that do
these sort of crimes that are particularlybrutal. Now, there's plenty of people
that have committed crimes that weren't ondrugs, but when they are, I

(27:53):
just I don't know. It makesme think. So. Her trial began
on February fourteenth, twenty twenty three, which was very weird to me Valentine's
Day, and that's when she actuallymarried her husband, Warren. He was
still in prison, but her lawyerat Quinn Jolly argued that her trial needed
to be delayed until at least Mayso that more people could assess her and
the case to see if she waseven confident enough to stand trial. And

(28:15):
there's a video of her in courtwhich you can view that she attacks her
lawyer at one point during the trial, and she then gets a new lawyer,
but she clearly isn't in the rightmind if she's attempting to attack the
one person who has her back,the one person who's trying to help her,
her lawyer, and she just it'sreally weird. You can't hear a

(28:36):
lot, and then she just jumpson me and it starts attacking him.
Really strange, and that, onceagain I'm not taken up for. But
there's clearly something wrong with people thatdo that. There's clearly something wrong with
people that kill people in general.I'm not saying all of them need to
be, you know, sent tomental institutions instead of prisons and all that,

(28:57):
you know, and found not guiltyby rhuson and sanity. But I'm
just saying, obviously, if youkill somebody for fun, there is something
wrong with you. So and thenshe attacks her lawyer, and there's clearly
something wrong. So on July thirteenthof twenty twenty three, forensic psychologist Diane

(29:17):
Lytton determined that Taylor was not confidentto stand trial. She determined that Taylor
had some sort of active psychotic disorder. The first time Diane met Taylor,
she threw a chair at her andshe refused to talk to her. Diane
clearly notices that Taylor's body language doesn'treally match situations because she's often seen smiling
and smirking during the weirdest of situations. She also said she experiences hallucinations that

(29:41):
tell her to hurt people. Anotherwitness psychologist is brought in named doctor Matthew
Seele, who says that Taylor isfit to stand trial. And I'm in
no way, like I said,taken up for her, but I don't
think that at that point she wasright in her right mind enough to stand
trial just because of the things shewas doing. There's clearly something wrong with

(30:06):
anyone that does what she does andkind of acts the way she does.
But at the same time, Iknow a lot of murders have literally acted
this way, faking it to tryto get out of what they did.
In order to try to to pleadnot guilty by reason of insanity, they
have to play the part. There'sa lot of people that do that,

(30:27):
So you know, she might havebeen acting. I mean, we don't
know there. You know, there'sa side that says she is, which
would be the witness psychologist who saysthat she's fine, you know, she's
fit to stand trial, and thenthe other psychologist who says, like,
there's clearly something wrong with her,She's clearly in some kind of active disorder,

(30:48):
and her Her trial begins on Julytwenty fourth of twenty twenty three.
Even though her defense attorney didn't wantcertain information to be brought to trial,
it was brought to trial regardless.Her phone searches in particular included stuff about
Satanism, Jeffrey Dahmer's but, andlooking sexy when you appear in court.
The fear was that this made herlook like she wanted some model after Jeffrey

(31:10):
Dahmer and be like him, andthat she premeditated this murder, And obviously
her lawyer did not want people tothink she premeditated the murder. I don't
personally believe it was premeditated, eventhough she seemed to be fascinated with dark
subjects and murder. I mean,if somebody saw my search history to make
these podcast episodes, it would looklike I am into some really weird stuff

(31:33):
too, So I mean, sheprobably was already having you know, fantasies
about killing people. She probably was, you know, infatuated with it,
thinking about doing it or whatever.But I don't know that this particular time
was premeditated. But then again,we're not hers, so we can't really
say, you know, what shewas planning. But they took the drugs

(31:59):
and then they engaged to sexual actsand then it happened, So I don't
know. I mean, she couldhave been planning it, you know,
she could have been saying, like, hey, the next time we do
things, I'm gonna I'm just gonnachoke him. I don't know. So
very weird situation, and her lawyersdid not want the information to get out

(32:21):
there, but it was. Itwas definitely put out there. It was
told to them in court, soeveryone knew she was researching that kind of
stuff. As a teenager, Taylorstruggled with her mental health and she was
put on med stabilizers, antipsychotics,and anti depressants. At just twelve years
old, she was diagnosed with ADHDor something of that nature due to her

(32:42):
having concentration issues in school. Shechose to stop taking her medication at the
age of eighteen, and then shewas diagnosed with PTSD and bipolar. She
tried to take her own life likeEd mentioned, so she clearly had issues
before all of this, as wellas dependency issues, and this was brought
up a court on July twenty six, twenty twenty three. The jury begins

(33:04):
to hear what exactly happened to Shad. The jury has shown graphic photos.
They're played the nine one one callMe by Shad's mother. Police body cam
footage of Taylor's arrest was shown andher interview with the police. The medical
examiner discusses their findings of the body, is saying that the body was basically
bloodless. The body had been flatopen and the flash and muscles of the
back were removed to expose his webcageand his spine. The torso had been

(33:30):
cut in half so that she couldhave access to remove his organs, and
oddly enough, one of Shad's feethad been stuffed into his chest cavity.
Very weird, very sickeningly, verydisturbing that she would stuff his foot into
his chest cavity, and then ofcourse her spending two to three hours playing

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with his body and then dismember him. Dismembering him kind of allows the prosecution
to believe that she was not insanebecause of her choices to do this,
versus what say of mind she mayhave been in had she been having some
kinds of psychotic break, because shedid make a lot of wild choices after
she killed him. You know,I'm not saying she magically could have snapped

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out of it and realized, holyshit, what did I do? But
she did attempt to dispose of youknow, she did attempt to dispose of
his body and everything. So sheclearly knew that killing him was wrong because
she dismembered him and was like basicallytelling the cobs, oh crap, you
know, I forgot his head,and she was using like trying to clean

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things up. So I think that'sultimately what made the jury believe that she
wasn't having some kind of psychotic break. It took the jury a little under
an hour to find her guilty afirst degree intentional homicide as well as sexual
assault and dismemberment. The second phaseof her trial began on July twenty seventh,

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twenty twenty three, and this wasfor I guess them to decide if
she was actually responsible for her actions. So she was guilty of doing it,
But I don't know this part ofthe trial was to see if she
was responsible for her actions when shewas doing them. The defense argue that
she qualified for a not guilty byreason of insanity plea because of her diagnosis

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of a serious mental disorder. Theyclaimed this disorder impacted her ability to know
right from wrong, and she hadalso been on a lot of medications at
the time and had not been properlytaking them. And i will say I
don't like to get into too muchdetail about my own personal life, but
I've experienced things in the past whereI've taken medications that have literally made me

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completely not myself. They've made mefeel not like myself. They've made me
do things that you know, normalme never would have done. They Now,
obviously I didn't go out and killpeople, but there was a point
in time where I was on somemedications that, yeah, I just wasn't
myself and I needed to get offof them and I couldn't handle feeling not
like me. So once again I'mnot giving her an excuse. I'm just

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saying I know how bad that affectsa person. But she made the choices,
and once again, what I thinkthat the jury was she knew right
from wrong. They're claiming that shedidn't know right from wrong because she had
a mental disorder and she was takingmedication and then she stopped taking them.

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But she knew right from wrong becauseshe decided to try to clean up and
dismember him and hide the body whilewas going to hide it, so that
made them believe like she did knowher actions were wrong. Because of the
cleanup. It was determined that atthe time of the murder, she was
of sound mine and that she shouldbe sent to prison rather than a mental
institution. It took the jury anhour to come to this decision as well.

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At her sensing hearing on September twentysixth, she arrived to her trial
half an hour late and wearing aspi hood, so it would seem that
she may have been resisting being takento trial or something of that nature.
She was fighting, you know,the police trying to take her. They
put a spit hooot on her.I guess too, obviously protect the officers,

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but then to protect everyone else incourt because they just weren't sure what
she was going to do. Whileshe was there. She was already acting
you know, wild and everything.When they were trying to bring her there.
Family members testified on her behalf aboutwhat kind of traumas she had endured
in her life, and we talkedabout this earlier. While I feel that
a lot of people that do thingssuch as this have endured trauma, and

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I can sympathize with that, Imean sympathize with the fact that, yes,
they've endured trauma, and you know, a lot of a lot of
people they just don't deserve, youknow, that kind of thing. But
once again, not all of usthat have endured trauma end up this way.
So we don't go out. Allof us don't go out killing and

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brtally dismembering corpses as we live roughlives. And I understand that all of
us are different and we take thingsdifferent, but there is just something majorly
wrong with Taylor, and I dobelieve that she should never be out in
society again because I just don't.I don't believe that she can fully ever
be helped. I mean, itwould make probably more sense to most people

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to put her in a mental facilityforever, you know, just to be
able to assess her condition and evenlearn from her situation. And once again,
I have put a lot more ofmy opinion into this episode. Oddly
enough, but I just kind ofnever understood why they locked some people away
in prison and kind of throw,okay, throw away the key. Whenever

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they could put these people in psychiatricfacilities and study them, they could seriously
learn things from people like this.They can learn what happens to these people,
what causes them to do such things, you know, what causes them
to turn out this way versus somebodywho has endured trauma like that but never
turned out that way. They coulddefinitely just use people to study them.

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And I'm not saying you're obviously goingto prevent killings in the future or prevent
all killings, but hey, maybethey'll discover something that would prevent stuff like
this from happening or prevent people fromgetting to this point. But now,
obviously, if you don't get helpwith your mental disorders mental illnesses, no
one's going to know you have them, so you can't be helped. But

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you have to get help. Soshe had uncle stated that she had done
one of the most cowardly, weakestthings possible by gaining Shad's trust and fully
taking advantage of his kindness in themost grotesque of ways. He said the
family won't be able to recover fromthis, and that he doesn't understand why
Taylor should be given a chance ofparole. She Had's father said he forgave

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her for what she's done and thatshe's the person who's going to have to
live with the horrible consequences of makinga bad choice, and that hating her
is not going to help him.And I fully sympathize with him. It's
suppressing to me, and I don'tunderstand how somebody could forgive somebody for doing

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something this. You know, this, heinous this bad because me as a
person, I just have a hardtime for giving people for smaller things that
really affect me, let alone,you know, killing my child or something
of that nature. So he isa very strong man. Taylor was ultimately

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sentenced to life in prison without thepossibility of parole, and she received an
extra ten and a half years inprison and eight years of extended supervision for
the mutilation of a corpse and thesexual assault and a corpse. To kind
of add a slight insult to injury. Her husband, Warren made a post
on Facebook standing by her on Februarytwenty fifth of this year, of stating

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quote, my wife might be lockedup for a long time, if not
life. But what the world slashcommunity don't understand is my really date is
soon. In either way, myprayers go out to my wife Taylorship business.
She needs help mentally, Brown CountyJail and the Brown County Circuit courts
are failing and understanding this, nordo they even care. Yes, what
she is being accused of is serious, but this doesn't change that she still

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has rights, and she still hasfamily and people that love her no matter
what her situation might be. Hopefully, soon the courts in jail will realize
she needs help. People like tobe nosy. I get that. People
judge I get that too. It'swhat this world does and will continue to
do. Either way, I standbehind my wife and I will forever stand
behind her forever. I know whatshe's being accused of is not who she

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is. Not only has her addictionplayed a big role, but so does
her mental background as well as postpartumdepression. I just want my wife to
get help, professional help, becauseit's what she deserves. Like I said,
my prayers go out to my wife. I love her more than anything
in this world and this will neverchange no matter what end to quote.
So I can understand his feelings.And I'm shocked that he did acknowledge that

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what she did was serious. Butit kind of bothers me because if he
knew that she was struggling so badly, and he knew what she was dealing
with, and he was afraid maybeshe was going to do something bad,
or that her addiction was spiraling outof control, why did he not get
her help? Why did he notattempt to help her? He was married

(42:19):
to her, He says he lovesher and all this, he loves her
so much, forever and blah blahblah, But why why did he not
get her help? Why did henot care enough to get her help,
get her off the drugs, gethimself off the drugs. Instead, he
ends up in prison dealing because ofdealing. You know, math, if
he loved her, he would havegotten her help. And I'm not saying
that if she would have gotten help, she wouldn't have you know, she

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wouldn't have done this, but hey, she might have had a fighting chance
at cleaning up her life a littlebit. But it was ultimately her choice
too, because he can force herand I just I just these kind of
cases make me really sad, youknow, because maybe something could have been

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done if they would have just gotto help and realize that the road they
were going down both of them wasobviously not a good one. But to
make it worse, though his poston Facebook, he didn't even make any
statement about the victim or at leastmention how sorry he feels for the victim
or the victim's family. He didn'tsay anything about the victim. He was

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just kind of bragging about, youknow, loving his wife and everything and
how she needed help. But forend to not even make any sort of
little statement about, you know,the victim, that's just insane to me.
I feel like I've licked enough inthis episode. But this case is
just something that I've been seeing alot, and I'm kind of I was

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curious, and I'm glad I lookedinto it because I just never imagined that
it would be something like this.All right, everyone, that concludes this
episode of its Crime time, Thankyou for listening, and until next time. It