August 31, 2024 • 28 mins
On January 20, 2014, Police brought 65-year-old pig farmer Susan Monica from Wimer, Oregon in for questioning after 56-year-old Robert Haney's family reported him missing. Police had discovered that Susan used Robert's EBT card in December at a local Walmart. Robert's family had not heard from him for several months before going to visit Susan's farm to see where there father was, as he had been working for her since the summer of 2013. He was nowhere to be found but his items and dog were left on the property. When police conducted a search of Susan's property, a human leg severed at the femur was located near Susan's home. Robert Haney had not been the only man to go missing on her property after answering a Craigslist ad for help around the farm, but another man, Stephen Delicino had vanished, as well. He had begun working for Susan in 2012. It was discovered that Susan had used the aid of her beloved pigs to help complete and conceal her crimes.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hello listeners, and welcome back to another episode of its
Crime Time. I'm going to be discussing a case that
I've always found to be an interesting one. I know
it has already been widely discussed, but once again I
wanted to do my own deep dive. This is the
case of Susan Monica. All right, everyone, it's crime Time.
(00:44):
Susan Monica was born on July eighth, nineteen forty eight,
in California. She was born a biological male and was
given the name Stephen Buchanan. This is a fact that,
out of all of the times I've watched documentaries on her,
I actually never knew this. I had just looked at
her and assumed that she was biological female. She was
(01:05):
just a rough looking farmer woman, So I found that
fact interesting. I had no idea about that. Susan served
in the US Navy during the Vietnam War, and she
was honorably discharged from the Navy and decided to begin
a career as an engineer.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Not much as really known.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
About her early life, but this is when she supposedly
began living as a female and had realized that she
was transgender.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
After she had left the military.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
She did very well in her engineering career and she
saved a lot of money to purchase land to build
a farm. In nineteen ninety one, she purchased a twenty
acre rural farm in Whitmore, Oregon, and she raised pigs
and chickens. She also ran a construction company known as
White Queen Construction. Susan oversaw the construction of her large
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farn for her livestock on her property, and then she
had plans to build a.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Home on the property.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
She was tired of working alone and she wanted someone
to help her with the building of her home and
with working on the farm, so of course, she went
to Craigslist. She posted an ad in two thousand and
thirteen looking for some extra help on her farm. Fifty
six year old Robert Hainey responded to her at he
had agreed to work as a handyman, a laborer, and
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a carpenter on her farm in exchange for cash payments
and a place to live on the property. So she
had paid him in cash to work there, and I
had given him this kind of trailer camper looking thing
to live on the property.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
After working on.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
The property for around six months, Robert disappeared in September
of twenty thirteen. After not hearing from him for a
few months, Robert's family became concerned and they visited Susan's
farm in December of twenty thirteen. They were told by
Susan that Robert had just basically left, and she had
asked the children to get some of his things out
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of his trailer. They said they knew something was amiss
as soon as they went into his trailer.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
His leather jacket was there, his dog was still running around,
and all his tools were there. They made the hairs
on the back of my neck stand up end quote
And this is a quote by one of his children, Jesse.
After this visit, the Haines filed a missing person's report
for their father with the Jackson County Sheriff's Office. Susan
told investigators that Robert had worked on our property for
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around six months before he had received a phone call
from a family member who said that she had been assaulted.
Susan said that Robert had begun heavily drinking. His behavior
was erratic, He was rude, just apparently he would get into,
you know, arguments with her all the time, and his
behavior just became crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
He wasn't himself.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
He would get really drunk and mean, and then of
course he got that call about the family member being assaulted,
and this apparently is what had made him finally quit
his job on the farm. He I guess it just
had enough of everything and he had a leisurely asked
Susan to look after his dog. Investigators noticed that Roberts
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ebt Or Electronics Benefits Transfer card had been used in
December twenty thirteen at a nearby Walmart, and of course
his EPT card.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Most of you know what that is.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
He was receiving food stand benefits on that card and
if he had went missing in September, they had investigated
and it had been used at a Walmart in December
by Susan Monica, so she was still collecting his benefits
after he disappeared and spending them. Due to these suspicious circumstances,
investigators obtained a search warrant for Susan's property. During this search,
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Detective Julie Denny said that they located a severed leg
on the property, which looked to have been cut off
mid Femur. The state of the property had been appalling,
with garbage piles piles of rotting food all over and
industrial waste piles, and the property in general was just
stunk of decay because of all of the you know,
(05:06):
rotting garbage. So I guess keeping it that way, you know,
it's always stinking, always smelling of decay, one would just
assume that it was the rotting garbage and not, you know, obviously,
the severed leg or a body on the property. After
finding the severed leg, detectives brought Susan in for an interview.
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Susan told investigators that she had stumbled upon what she
called a feeding frenzy one morning when she noticed her
pigs were devouring something. She looked down and she noticed
that it was Robert Haney, and his guts were all
over the place, and instead of getting him help, she said,
she put him out of his misery. She said, quote,
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I put him out of his misery. I do that
for my animals, and this was the first time I
did it for a human being, and I know it
was wrong, but if it were one of my pigs
suffering out there, I would have the same thing. Quote.
And this is what Susan told investigators. She said that
Robert had been alive and he was suffering, and of course,
you know, the pigs were feeding on his organs, his intestines,
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and she just cut him out of his misery. She
buried the remains on her property were more like threw
them along her property. It seems if, of course, a
random severed leg was just playing on a property. Police
asked Susan if that is all they would find on
her property. She broke down, and she told them there
was another victim. She showed them a spot on a
(06:35):
map of a property. She drew a map of a property,
and she put an X on the spot and said
that this is where they.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Would find Steve.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Stephen Delasino was another handy man that Susan had hired
in twenty twelve, so her placing out on Craigslist and
hiring Robert Hainey in twenty thirteen had actually not been
the first time that she had been looking for help.
She hired Stephen in twenty twelve, and he worked on
a property in the summer, a whole year before Robert
Haney had arrived at her property. According to Susan, while
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Steve was working for her, two of her guns went missing,
and she had done some poking around amongst Steve's belongings
because she thought that he was a thief and he
had stole them, and sure enough she found her two
missing guns. When she cond fronted Steve about it, she
says they got into a wrestling match. One of the
guns went off and it kind of shot him in
the back of the head, and as far as it sounds,
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it only grazed him. So they of course were still fighting,
and Susan explained that at some point during this struggle,
Steve Evan on his knees, she grabbed her rifle, She
stood over Steve, and she shot him dead. So she
shot him in the head several times. She fed his
body to her pigs, and then whatever was left she
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buried on her property. Detectives then asked Susan if there
were any other dead bodies on her property, since she
had already of course, discussed two of them. Detective Eric
Henderson's stay quote, she told me that if she told
me about the seventeen others that she would spend the
rest of her.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Life in jail end quote.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
So she claims that there were seventeen other people that
were murdered, so then that of course would bring her
total to nineteen. Susan was arrested on January fourteenth, twenty fourteen,
and she was charged with two counts of first degree murder,
first degree abuse of a corpse, and identity theft. After
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being arrested, her pigs were subsequently euthanized. And that's kind
of the sad part for me, only because of course
I don't know. I'm not you know, I'm not one
of those like hardcore activists or anything, but I don't know.
It just makes me sad, you know. I'm sure they
could have given the pigs to someone or another farmer,
maybe that would be interested. But then again, it would
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be very difficult to find someone interested in, obviously, pigs
that had supposedly eaten people. So I do understand why
they were euthanized. And that's one of the reasons that
Susan said she did not gone to police whenever she
found the pigs eating Robert because she was afraid that
her pigs would be euthanized, and of course her pigs
were her babies, so she didn't want her pigs euthanized.
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Over the following weeks, dozens of investigators searched for property
they were They dug over a hundred holes. They located
the remains of Stephen Delasino and Robert Hanny, along with
some personal belongings, like she had this I guess you
had this hole with a bunch of shoes in there.
But they did not locate any other bodies, any other
body parts. So it seems as though her claims of
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seventeen other bodies on the property were false. It was
just kind of her using a scary tactic or you know,
trying to look scarier. It seems scarier. So they did
not locate any other bodies, but Stephen and Robert, and
I'm going to just play a little bit of her
interview here. Some of it is difficult to hear, but
(09:59):
that kind of is what makes this case is if
you watch her interviews, if you go look up her interrogations,
they're very interesting.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
That we'll just put it that way.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
He left all of his possessions behind that you know, yeah,
and that was arranged to you.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Well, like I said, you know, he had left with somebody.
So I was on the impression that he was.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Doing something in Ashland.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
He he he had told me he had he had
mentioned to me one person in Ashland where I might
actually go with him to do an engineering job.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
So what do you think happened, Robert? What's what's your
feeling of? Everybody has their own opinions about things, but
what do you think My.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Bobby had told me that his sister usually got a
call a couple of times a week. That postman my
first kind of thought in.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
The back of my head somewhere.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
That if he indeed went to take care of business,
you know, with the thing, that he might have gotten
the short end of the stick. And that was, just
like I said, just the back of my head.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I had no idea.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I couldn't, like I said, I couldn't understand after all
this time, if you don't hear from your father for
a month, and prior to that month you've heard from
him twice a week, why didn't somebody do something earlier?
And then when they came out last week they said
they thought he was dead. And what I'm saying, you know,
(11:43):
why do you think?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
You know? I didn't say out loud, but I'm thinking
to myself, well, if you think your father is dead,
you know, why didn't you do something about this months ago?
Why didn't you call? Why hadn't no reason to call
him when he lives on your property for one time
and he never came back.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I don't you know, I didn't think it was my
responsibility to call. What if what three verse things?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
What if Robert was the one sitting here right now.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
And you are missing, would you expected him to call? Well, yeah,
he's living on your property.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
And because he's you know, because I got up every
morning I fed my animals, and every evening I.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Fed my animals, and footsteps you and him because I
never I mean, he's a person to who has a
life too, may not be as involved as yours, but
he still has topaily real But that's not we didn't
(13:00):
if he did have a daily routine, well, he certainly
had to eat.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
He said that he ate food up the dead with
the barn.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Yeah, but I wouldn't necessarily see him. I've been seeing
him for a week at a time, okay, And but
you would expect that he would report you missing after.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Three months, well probably after a few days, because my
facebo would make in all.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Kinds of noise. Unders. You know, I found a leg
buy your house. It appears to be an ankle, foot,
be joint a leg, but human leg next to your place.
I think it might be a Robbert. I don't know
(13:51):
who could it be? Now whined? Maybe he might be Robert?
I just I can't.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
I should ask where where it was, if it was
down there by his trader, if.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
It was very next to your place, because a few
feet premier place. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Then if I were, if I were down by the
his trailer, he might have fallen down hill or something.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
If it was up a mind past, I don't know.
That's it.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Do you think it's kind of strange that there's a
lake right next to your place?
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Very? Does it concern you? Yes? You said it might
be Robert.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
It could be, but I can't understand why.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Different. I can't understand how.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
I can't understand how it would get there because I
can't see him having.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
An accident out by my place. What do you believe
or a next step.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Of this investigation is going to be well? I would say,
come looking at the accountantcy if you find any more
parts and especially clothing.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Where else would we live?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You think?
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Do you think we would.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Look at other places too?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
My neighbors are Camon and Florida are over here.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
So when he went crazy, they heard him and they
hear everything and then complaining to you guys, and to
the county.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
And everybody else. And that's why I lost my hair.
A couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
These the county come out and said I needed to
clean up my place for I was gonna get fined
six hundred dollars when I had no idea where I
was going to get six hundred dollars.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
So for two nights I didn't sleep. I'm very very
self conscious. I've always been.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
I've always been somewhat of a loaner standing out. I'm
very much more of a loner. I don't go anywhere
since short of ten, shortly after this happened, I have
(16:36):
not been able to look at a mirror. For the
last two years. I have not looked in a mirror.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I take a cloth and wipe my face. I've not
been able to take a math s in two years. Susan,
wouldn't you.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Just kill us?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
What happens?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Everything that I told you was the truth. Welcome to
About a week after Bobby had called him. I don't
know when, but.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Sometime about a week after Bobby had called, I went down.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
He was like half e he was.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Sad.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Work by the pigs.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Okay, I don't.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
He was like happy by the pigs. It was early
in the morning, and I saw what had happened. His
guts were all over the place.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
He was he was still alive. I knew he wasn't
coming to a live and one of them. You know, if
you didn't.
Speaker 8 (18:05):
Want I didn't want my kids to be shot for good,
for good doing something that the natural causes pigs get hully.
You know, if he was out there, I don't know
what happened to start with, if he went out and
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started doing something to them, I can't see.
Speaker 9 (18:33):
That my kids would go ahead and do something to
somebody without cause that have always been very friendly with me.
They still are very friendly with me. I didn't want
to say anything, and.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Because I was afraid you were gonna go out and
shoot my pigs.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Listen, be riding. We're looking into that. But tell me
at the beginning, he's how did you know? Wronger was there?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Did you hear?
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Nois what happened.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I came down in the morning, I could say this
was this was maybe it was It was over a
month since I had seen him last, because it was
about that time when Bobby had called me to ask
me what was going on? And I told him I
have no idea, And.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
So he had been gone. He had been gone over
a month's okay, he had been gone over a month.
I came down to feed my animals.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
And I heard this moaning and stuff to hear screaming,
not not really scream just moaning, moaning.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
Or yeah, and his ducks were out, and but he
was he was still alive.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
And how did you know? In the line I could,
I could, I.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Could see his art movies, and he was, yeah, it
was moaning a little bit that I so, what did
you do?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Then?
Speaker 5 (20:11):
I yelled at the kids, and.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Uh, they were doing.
Speaker 10 (20:19):
Everything and just you know, having launched or back breakfast,
they were having breakfast on him, and uh, I.
Speaker 11 (20:33):
Could see that, you know, there was no way he
was going to get to the hospital and live. I
didn't think he was gonna live more than a few
more minutes. He no, he didn't say anything. He was
just moaning. So but he went back and got I.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Was I went up and down my rid phone through
in my head. How many times, I don't about more
than once. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
So you you're sure he did it? Once. Yes, So
you're not sure if you did it.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I don't know. I don't so after you shot him,
and then what happened after I shot him?
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Did he die immediately? Yes? And then what did you do?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I went, I went and shared my other animals, and
I just left him there.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
And so, as far as you.
Speaker 10 (21:34):
Know, he.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Was never moved from the.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So I apologize for the recordings of the interviews. I
kind of jumped all over the place there, but I
just wanted you to get an idea of kind of
how her interrogations went and how she acted during them
and things like that. So investigators also interviewed some of
Susan's friends as well, and one in part two a
(22:00):
killer was Brady Murray. I guess he was a good
friend of hers. He had lived with her off and on,
and at this point in time when she was questioned
and arrested, he was living at her home. And they
asked Brady what Susan had told him about Robert and
if she had told him kind of what had happened
to him or anything. She apparently told him that Robert
(22:22):
was a good worker, things were going well, but she
did complain to him that Robert was an alcoholic and
he was always random Raymond and causing problems of being loud,
so Brady didn't know about that, and police kind of
thought that Brady knew more than he was letting on.
And if you watch his interrogations, it's definitely a parent
(22:44):
that he was trying to protect Susan. So of course
Susan was arrested, and then when it came to her trials,
her claims of putting Robert out of his misery or
killing Steven self defense didn't really hold much weight. She
ended up hacking their body is a part with an axe.
They did find when they found the parts that they
had determined that the parts were chopped up with an axe,
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not by pigs. Her stories also kept changing. At first,
she claimed self defense in the case of Steve Delasino,
but later she claimed that he shot himself with the
head multiple times. It was determined that none of the
forensic evidence matched with her stories, but it was difficult
for investigators to prove against her claims that she stumbled
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upon Robert being eaten by her pigs or that her
and Steve had got into ownercations, so the police couldn't
determine Obviously, if if it was true or not that
she stumbled upon Robert being eaten, because pigs will do that.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Pigs are known.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
To be aggressive, they can be aggressive, and they definitely
would e to a human. So they could not prove
that because obviously they weren't there for that, and that's
just kind of something that, you know, if it happened,
it happened by the parts were strewn about the property.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
And obviously she did murder.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Him, because even if she found the pigs, you know,
eating him, she said she put him out of his misery.
She finished him off, and that's still murder. She didn't
call number one obviously and get him help. And then Steve,
even if she killed him, they can't say whether she
just randomly killed him just because or they weren't an altercation.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
They can't say that.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
But either way, she did kill him as well. So
she did murder two people, and they determined that Steve
had been shot in d.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Three or four times.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Her behavior inside and outside of court was very odd,
to say the least. She showed up to court in
different wigs, which to me is not weird. I don't
know why these sources claim that that's really weird. I
don't think it's weird as someone who is obviously a transgender,
you know, male to female, who had.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Lost her hair.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
She had said she had lost her hair due to
stress it fell out and things that nature. Wearing wigs
or trying to make herself look good for court or feel.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Better, that to me, that's not weird.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I mean, I don't find it weird that, you know,
you wear a different wig on different days of the week.
But anyway, I digress. That's that's not the weirdest thing
obviously about her. In court, her cell meat Jordan Ferris
testified that Susan signed a birthday card for someone in
prison and she wrote from the sweetest murder in Jackson County.
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Susan explained that she was just doing this based off of,
you know, the crimes that she was being charged with, So.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
This wasn't her admission of guilt.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
This was, well, she's being charged as a murderer, so
she admitted she was a murder. Her cell met Jordan
also testified and said, quote, Susan told me that Robert
and her got into an argument because he was drunk
and he was trying to come on to her and
she wasn't entrusted obviously, so she shot him and pushed.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Him into the pig pen end quote. So that's.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Apparently what she told her solmid that he tried coming
on to her and she wasn't entrusted, she shot him
and threw him the big pin. Obviously, there's no way
to that story either. No one knows. In court, Susan
even cross examined the detective for the prosecution team that
was assigned to her case, Eric Henderson.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I had mentioned him earlier.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
She also loudly proclaimed in court to the jury that
she would like to demonstrate for ten seconds how she
shot Steve Delasino, and she started doing just that in court.
I have read in multiple sources that have explained that
she was then taken from the courtroom after this because
you know, it was disturbing. She I guess, didn't get
permission to do this. She just stood up and started
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doing it. And then there's other sources that don't mention
that occurring. So they do mention that she demonstrated this,
but they don't say anything about she was taken from
the court room. But obviously that was disturbing, so I
would imagine she was taken from the court room.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
But Susan Monica was ultimately.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Charged on all counts and she was sentenced to a
minimum of fifty years without the possibility of parole. And
I will finish this up with a quote by Eric Henderson.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
My take on what she told me about the possibility
of seventeen other people being there was that it was true.
I believe one hundred percent that there are more people
out there.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
So while they didn't find any more bodies on her property,
I think what he's saying is she definitely could be
a serial killer.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
There could be more bodies out there.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Just because they're not on her property doesn't mean that
she did not commit other crimes or commit other murders.
All right, everyone, that concludes this episode of its crime Time.
I hope you enjoyed and until next time, stopp
Hello listeners, and welcome back to another episode of its
Crime Time. I'm going to be discussing a case that
I've always found to be an interesting one. I know
it has already been widely discussed, but once again I
wanted to do my own deep dive. This is the
case of Susan Monica. All right, everyone, it's crime Time.
(00:44):
Susan Monica was born on July eighth, nineteen forty eight,
in California. She was born a biological male and was
given the name Stephen Buchanan. This is a fact that,
out of all of the times I've watched documentaries on her,
I actually never knew this. I had just looked at
her and assumed that she was biological female. She was
(01:05):
just a rough looking farmer woman, So I found that
fact interesting. I had no idea about that. Susan served
in the US Navy during the Vietnam War, and she
was honorably discharged from the Navy and decided to begin
a career as an engineer.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Not much as really known.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
About her early life, but this is when she supposedly
began living as a female and had realized that she
was transgender.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
After she had left the military.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
She did very well in her engineering career and she
saved a lot of money to purchase land to build
a farm. In nineteen ninety one, she purchased a twenty
acre rural farm in Whitmore, Oregon, and she raised pigs
and chickens. She also ran a construction company known as
White Queen Construction. Susan oversaw the construction of her large
(01:52):
farn for her livestock on her property, and then she
had plans to build a.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Home on the property.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
She was tired of working alone and she wanted someone
to help her with the building of her home and
with working on the farm, so of course, she went
to Craigslist. She posted an ad in two thousand and
thirteen looking for some extra help on her farm. Fifty
six year old Robert Hainey responded to her at he
had agreed to work as a handyman, a laborer, and
(02:20):
a carpenter on her farm in exchange for cash payments
and a place to live on the property. So she
had paid him in cash to work there, and I
had given him this kind of trailer camper looking thing
to live on the property.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
After working on.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
The property for around six months, Robert disappeared in September
of twenty thirteen. After not hearing from him for a
few months, Robert's family became concerned and they visited Susan's
farm in December of twenty thirteen. They were told by
Susan that Robert had just basically left, and she had
asked the children to get some of his things out
(02:58):
of his trailer. They said they knew something was amiss
as soon as they went into his trailer.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
His leather jacket was there, his dog was still running around,
and all his tools were there. They made the hairs
on the back of my neck stand up end quote
And this is a quote by one of his children, Jesse.
After this visit, the Haines filed a missing person's report
for their father with the Jackson County Sheriff's Office. Susan
told investigators that Robert had worked on our property for
(03:25):
around six months before he had received a phone call
from a family member who said that she had been assaulted.
Susan said that Robert had begun heavily drinking. His behavior
was erratic, He was rude, just apparently he would get into,
you know, arguments with her all the time, and his
behavior just became crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
He wasn't himself.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
He would get really drunk and mean, and then of
course he got that call about the family member being assaulted,
and this apparently is what had made him finally quit
his job on the farm. He I guess it just
had enough of everything and he had a leisurely asked
Susan to look after his dog. Investigators noticed that Roberts
(04:07):
ebt Or Electronics Benefits Transfer card had been used in
December twenty thirteen at a nearby Walmart, and of course
his EPT card.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Most of you know what that is.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
He was receiving food stand benefits on that card and
if he had went missing in September, they had investigated
and it had been used at a Walmart in December
by Susan Monica, so she was still collecting his benefits
after he disappeared and spending them. Due to these suspicious circumstances,
investigators obtained a search warrant for Susan's property. During this search,
(04:43):
Detective Julie Denny said that they located a severed leg
on the property, which looked to have been cut off
mid Femur. The state of the property had been appalling,
with garbage piles piles of rotting food all over and
industrial waste piles, and the property in general was just
stunk of decay because of all of the you know,
(05:06):
rotting garbage. So I guess keeping it that way, you know,
it's always stinking, always smelling of decay, one would just
assume that it was the rotting garbage and not, you know, obviously,
the severed leg or a body on the property. After
finding the severed leg, detectives brought Susan in for an interview.
(05:30):
Susan told investigators that she had stumbled upon what she
called a feeding frenzy one morning when she noticed her
pigs were devouring something. She looked down and she noticed
that it was Robert Haney, and his guts were all
over the place, and instead of getting him help, she said,
she put him out of his misery. She said, quote,
(05:50):
I put him out of his misery. I do that
for my animals, and this was the first time I
did it for a human being, and I know it
was wrong, but if it were one of my pigs
suffering out there, I would have the same thing. Quote.
And this is what Susan told investigators. She said that
Robert had been alive and he was suffering, and of course,
you know, the pigs were feeding on his organs, his intestines,
(06:13):
and she just cut him out of his misery. She
buried the remains on her property were more like threw
them along her property. It seems if, of course, a
random severed leg was just playing on a property. Police
asked Susan if that is all they would find on
her property. She broke down, and she told them there
was another victim. She showed them a spot on a
(06:35):
map of a property. She drew a map of a property,
and she put an X on the spot and said
that this is where they.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Would find Steve.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Stephen Delasino was another handy man that Susan had hired
in twenty twelve, so her placing out on Craigslist and
hiring Robert Hainey in twenty thirteen had actually not been
the first time that she had been looking for help.
She hired Stephen in twenty twelve, and he worked on
a property in the summer, a whole year before Robert
Haney had arrived at her property. According to Susan, while
(07:06):
Steve was working for her, two of her guns went missing,
and she had done some poking around amongst Steve's belongings
because she thought that he was a thief and he
had stole them, and sure enough she found her two
missing guns. When she cond fronted Steve about it, she
says they got into a wrestling match. One of the
guns went off and it kind of shot him in
the back of the head, and as far as it sounds,
(07:28):
it only grazed him. So they of course were still fighting,
and Susan explained that at some point during this struggle,
Steve Evan on his knees, she grabbed her rifle, She
stood over Steve, and she shot him dead. So she
shot him in the head several times. She fed his
body to her pigs, and then whatever was left she
(07:49):
buried on her property. Detectives then asked Susan if there
were any other dead bodies on her property, since she
had already of course, discussed two of them. Detective Eric
Henderson's stay quote, she told me that if she told
me about the seventeen others that she would spend the
rest of her.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Life in jail end quote.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
So she claims that there were seventeen other people that
were murdered, so then that of course would bring her
total to nineteen. Susan was arrested on January fourteenth, twenty fourteen,
and she was charged with two counts of first degree murder,
first degree abuse of a corpse, and identity theft. After
(08:29):
being arrested, her pigs were subsequently euthanized. And that's kind
of the sad part for me, only because of course
I don't know. I'm not you know, I'm not one
of those like hardcore activists or anything, but I don't know.
It just makes me sad, you know. I'm sure they
could have given the pigs to someone or another farmer,
maybe that would be interested. But then again, it would
(08:50):
be very difficult to find someone interested in, obviously, pigs
that had supposedly eaten people. So I do understand why
they were euthanized. And that's one of the reasons that
Susan said she did not gone to police whenever she
found the pigs eating Robert because she was afraid that
her pigs would be euthanized, and of course her pigs
were her babies, so she didn't want her pigs euthanized.
(09:13):
Over the following weeks, dozens of investigators searched for property
they were They dug over a hundred holes. They located
the remains of Stephen Delasino and Robert Hanny, along with
some personal belongings, like she had this I guess you
had this hole with a bunch of shoes in there.
But they did not locate any other bodies, any other
body parts. So it seems as though her claims of
(09:37):
seventeen other bodies on the property were false. It was
just kind of her using a scary tactic or you know,
trying to look scarier. It seems scarier. So they did
not locate any other bodies, but Stephen and Robert, and
I'm going to just play a little bit of her
interview here. Some of it is difficult to hear, but
(09:59):
that kind of is what makes this case is if
you watch her interviews, if you go look up her interrogations,
they're very interesting.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
That we'll just put it that way.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
He left all of his possessions behind that you know, yeah,
and that was arranged to you.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Well, like I said, you know, he had left with somebody.
So I was on the impression that he was.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Doing something in Ashland.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
He he he had told me he had he had
mentioned to me one person in Ashland where I might
actually go with him to do an engineering job.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
So what do you think happened, Robert? What's what's your
feeling of? Everybody has their own opinions about things, but
what do you think My.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Bobby had told me that his sister usually got a
call a couple of times a week. That postman my
first kind of thought in.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
The back of my head somewhere.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
That if he indeed went to take care of business,
you know, with the thing, that he might have gotten
the short end of the stick. And that was, just
like I said, just the back of my head.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
I had no idea.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I couldn't, like I said, I couldn't understand after all
this time, if you don't hear from your father for
a month, and prior to that month you've heard from
him twice a week, why didn't somebody do something earlier?
And then when they came out last week they said
they thought he was dead. And what I'm saying, you know,
(11:43):
why do you think?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
You know? I didn't say out loud, but I'm thinking
to myself, well, if you think your father is dead,
you know, why didn't you do something about this months ago?
Why didn't you call? Why hadn't no reason to call
him when he lives on your property for one time
and he never came back.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I don't you know, I didn't think it was my
responsibility to call. What if what three verse things?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
What if Robert was the one sitting here right now.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
And you are missing, would you expected him to call? Well, yeah,
he's living on your property.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
And because he's you know, because I got up every
morning I fed my animals, and every evening I.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Fed my animals, and footsteps you and him because I
never I mean, he's a person to who has a
life too, may not be as involved as yours, but
he still has topaily real But that's not we didn't
(13:00):
if he did have a daily routine, well, he certainly
had to eat.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
He said that he ate food up the dead with
the barn.
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Yeah, but I wouldn't necessarily see him. I've been seeing
him for a week at a time, okay, And but
you would expect that he would report you missing after.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Three months, well probably after a few days, because my
facebo would make in all.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Kinds of noise. Unders. You know, I found a leg
buy your house. It appears to be an ankle, foot,
be joint a leg, but human leg next to your place.
I think it might be a Robbert. I don't know
(13:51):
who could it be? Now whined? Maybe he might be Robert?
I just I can't.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
I should ask where where it was, if it was
down there by his trader, if.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
It was very next to your place, because a few
feet premier place. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Then if I were, if I were down by the
his trailer, he might have fallen down hill or something.
Speaker 5 (14:31):
If it was up a mind past, I don't know.
That's it.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Do you think it's kind of strange that there's a
lake right next to your place?
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Very? Does it concern you? Yes? You said it might
be Robert.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
It could be, but I can't understand why.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Different. I can't understand how.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
I can't understand how it would get there because I
can't see him having.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
An accident out by my place. What do you believe
or a next step.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Of this investigation is going to be well? I would say,
come looking at the accountantcy if you find any more
parts and especially clothing.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Where else would we live?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You think?
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Do you think we would.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Look at other places too?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
My neighbors are Camon and Florida are over here.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
So when he went crazy, they heard him and they
hear everything and then complaining to you guys, and to
the county.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
And everybody else. And that's why I lost my hair.
A couple of years ago.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
These the county come out and said I needed to
clean up my place for I was gonna get fined
six hundred dollars when I had no idea where I
was going to get six hundred dollars.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
So for two nights I didn't sleep. I'm very very
self conscious. I've always been.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
I've always been somewhat of a loaner standing out. I'm
very much more of a loner. I don't go anywhere
since short of ten, shortly after this happened, I have
(16:36):
not been able to look at a mirror. For the
last two years. I have not looked in a mirror.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I take a cloth and wipe my face. I've not
been able to take a math s in two years. Susan,
wouldn't you.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Just kill us?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
What happens?
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Everything that I told you was the truth. Welcome to
About a week after Bobby had called him. I don't
know when, but.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Sometime about a week after Bobby had called, I went down.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
He was like half e he was.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Sad.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Work by the pigs.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Okay, I don't.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
He was like happy by the pigs. It was early
in the morning, and I saw what had happened. His
guts were all over the place.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
He was he was still alive. I knew he wasn't
coming to a live and one of them. You know, if
you didn't.
Speaker 8 (18:05):
Want I didn't want my kids to be shot for good,
for good doing something that the natural causes pigs get hully.
You know, if he was out there, I don't know
what happened to start with, if he went out and
(18:30):
started doing something to them, I can't see.
Speaker 9 (18:33):
That my kids would go ahead and do something to
somebody without cause that have always been very friendly with me.
They still are very friendly with me. I didn't want
to say anything, and.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Because I was afraid you were gonna go out and
shoot my pigs.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Listen, be riding. We're looking into that. But tell me
at the beginning, he's how did you know? Wronger was there?
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Did you hear?
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Nois what happened.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I came down in the morning, I could say this
was this was maybe it was It was over a
month since I had seen him last, because it was
about that time when Bobby had called me to ask
me what was going on? And I told him I
have no idea, And.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
So he had been gone. He had been gone over
a month's okay, he had been gone over a month.
I came down to feed my animals.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
And I heard this moaning and stuff to hear screaming,
not not really scream just moaning, moaning.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
Or yeah, and his ducks were out, and but he
was he was still alive.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
And how did you know? In the line I could,
I could, I.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
Could see his art movies, and he was, yeah, it
was moaning a little bit that I so, what did
you do?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Then?
Speaker 5 (20:11):
I yelled at the kids, and.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Uh, they were doing.
Speaker 10 (20:19):
Everything and just you know, having launched or back breakfast,
they were having breakfast on him, and uh, I.
Speaker 11 (20:33):
Could see that, you know, there was no way he
was going to get to the hospital and live. I
didn't think he was gonna live more than a few
more minutes. He no, he didn't say anything. He was
just moaning. So but he went back and got I.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Was I went up and down my rid phone through
in my head. How many times, I don't about more
than once. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I have no idea.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
So you you're sure he did it? Once. Yes, So
you're not sure if you did it.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I don't know. I don't so after you shot him,
and then what happened after I shot him?
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Did he die immediately? Yes? And then what did you do?
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I went, I went and shared my other animals, and
I just left him there.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
And so, as far as you.
Speaker 10 (21:34):
Know, he.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
Was never moved from the.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
So I apologize for the recordings of the interviews. I
kind of jumped all over the place there, but I
just wanted you to get an idea of kind of
how her interrogations went and how she acted during them
and things like that. So investigators also interviewed some of
Susan's friends as well, and one in part two a
(22:00):
killer was Brady Murray. I guess he was a good
friend of hers. He had lived with her off and on,
and at this point in time when she was questioned
and arrested, he was living at her home. And they
asked Brady what Susan had told him about Robert and
if she had told him kind of what had happened
to him or anything. She apparently told him that Robert
(22:22):
was a good worker, things were going well, but she
did complain to him that Robert was an alcoholic and
he was always random Raymond and causing problems of being loud,
so Brady didn't know about that, and police kind of
thought that Brady knew more than he was letting on.
And if you watch his interrogations, it's definitely a parent
(22:44):
that he was trying to protect Susan. So of course
Susan was arrested, and then when it came to her trials,
her claims of putting Robert out of his misery or
killing Steven self defense didn't really hold much weight. She
ended up hacking their body is a part with an axe.
They did find when they found the parts that they
had determined that the parts were chopped up with an axe,
(23:07):
not by pigs. Her stories also kept changing. At first,
she claimed self defense in the case of Steve Delasino,
but later she claimed that he shot himself with the
head multiple times. It was determined that none of the
forensic evidence matched with her stories, but it was difficult
for investigators to prove against her claims that she stumbled
(23:28):
upon Robert being eaten by her pigs or that her
and Steve had got into ownercations, so the police couldn't
determine Obviously, if if it was true or not that
she stumbled upon Robert being eaten, because pigs will do that.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Pigs are known.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
To be aggressive, they can be aggressive, and they definitely
would e to a human. So they could not prove
that because obviously they weren't there for that, and that's
just kind of something that, you know, if it happened,
it happened by the parts were strewn about the property.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
And obviously she did murder.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Him, because even if she found the pigs, you know,
eating him, she said she put him out of his misery.
She finished him off, and that's still murder. She didn't
call number one obviously and get him help. And then Steve,
even if she killed him, they can't say whether she
just randomly killed him just because or they weren't an altercation.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
They can't say that.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
But either way, she did kill him as well. So
she did murder two people, and they determined that Steve
had been shot in d.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Three or four times.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Her behavior inside and outside of court was very odd,
to say the least. She showed up to court in
different wigs, which to me is not weird. I don't
know why these sources claim that that's really weird. I
don't think it's weird as someone who is obviously a transgender,
you know, male to female, who had.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Lost her hair.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
She had said she had lost her hair due to
stress it fell out and things that nature. Wearing wigs
or trying to make herself look good for court or feel.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Better, that to me, that's not weird.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I mean, I don't find it weird that, you know,
you wear a different wig on different days of the week.
But anyway, I digress. That's that's not the weirdest thing
obviously about her. In court, her cell meat Jordan Ferris
testified that Susan signed a birthday card for someone in
prison and she wrote from the sweetest murder in Jackson County.
(25:32):
Susan explained that she was just doing this based off of,
you know, the crimes that she was being charged with, So.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
This wasn't her admission of guilt.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
This was, well, she's being charged as a murderer, so
she admitted she was a murder. Her cell met Jordan
also testified and said, quote, Susan told me that Robert
and her got into an argument because he was drunk
and he was trying to come on to her and
she wasn't entrusted obviously, so she shot him and pushed.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Him into the pig pen end quote. So that's.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Apparently what she told her solmid that he tried coming
on to her and she wasn't entrusted, she shot him
and threw him the big pin. Obviously, there's no way
to that story either. No one knows. In court, Susan
even cross examined the detective for the prosecution team that
was assigned to her case, Eric Henderson.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
I had mentioned him earlier.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
She also loudly proclaimed in court to the jury that
she would like to demonstrate for ten seconds how she
shot Steve Delasino, and she started doing just that in court.
I have read in multiple sources that have explained that
she was then taken from the courtroom after this because
you know, it was disturbing. She I guess, didn't get
permission to do this. She just stood up and started
(26:51):
doing it. And then there's other sources that don't mention
that occurring. So they do mention that she demonstrated this,
but they don't say anything about she was taken from
the court room. But obviously that was disturbing, so I
would imagine she was taken from the court room.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
But Susan Monica was ultimately.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Charged on all counts and she was sentenced to a
minimum of fifty years without the possibility of parole. And
I will finish this up with a quote by Eric Henderson.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
My take on what she told me about the possibility
of seventeen other people being there was that it was true.
I believe one hundred percent that there are more people
out there.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
So while they didn't find any more bodies on her property,
I think what he's saying is she definitely could be
a serial killer.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
There could be more bodies out there.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Just because they're not on her property doesn't mean that
she did not commit other crimes or commit other murders.
All right, everyone, that concludes this episode of its crime Time.
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