From Gutfeld! It's Jamie Lissow | EP 321

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From Gutfeld! It's Jamie Lissow.
Get ready for laughs on this episode of Pocket Party Podcast! Hilarious comedian Jamie Lissow joins us from the airport, en route to NYC to tape Gutfeld!. Jamie and I dive into his comedy journey, his relentless dedication after getting a second chance, and life on tour. Don’t miss this fun, candid convo!


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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:54):
Jamie liss Ouh.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
You guys are gonna love him. One funny guy. Hello, Hello,
Hello Jamie. How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:03):
I'm good man. How are you doing, Darren?

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm great. Where in the world is Jamie liss out Today?

Speaker 3 (01:09):
I'll be honest, I gotta give us some thoughts. I
gotta look around. I am just outside of Naples, Florida.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Ooh nice.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Are you very been in Naples, Florida? I have.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
I usually played Captain Bryan's over there.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
That's where I was. Naples is maybe the best place
to your comedy. The midnight show is at seven pm.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Oh my gosh, it's uh.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
It's the oldest, most wonderful crowd. You can be as
offensive as you want and they can't walk out if
they want to.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
They can't. I know it takes some forty five minutes
to walk out.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Still, that's the best. U. Yeah, you're You're done by
the time they get to their car.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
That's great, isn't it great?

Speaker 3 (01:50):
There?

Speaker 1 (01:50):
It's it's the food's good, the shows are great.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Did you find yourself doing and what do you do
during the day, Like when you're in Naples, Florida? Do
you do the same thing you do everywhere?

Speaker 1 (02:00):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (02:02):
I'm a big If I don't go to a sauna
or peloton, I slowly lose my mind and I start
to wonder why I'm doing anything and what is our
purpose on earth? I started to lose my mind. And
so before I got to Naples, I bought a day
pass to a spa ahead of time to go every
single day so I wouldn't wake up and blow it
off because I'm like, I already spent forty bucks. And

(02:24):
so every day I went to a spawn, sat in
a sauna and wrote some jokes and worked on a
new bit for a TV show I'm trying to do.
And it was a very productive week.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
That's great, man. I remember you told me when I
worked with you in her Bank that you you have
like a waterproof notebook or something something where you can
actually work on your comedy or something like.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Whenever I do GUSHL, I go to like this very grungy, seedy,
cold plunge sauna places. It's a Russian Turkey of sauna,
and I bring a waterproof noteplix so that I could
sit in the sauna on write jokes and do the
cold punch of right jokes. It's cleaned, insane, but it's
my process and if I if I skip it, it's uh,
it's disaster.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
That's wild.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
By the way, I think he's at the airport now,
so if the listener's here, no it's okay.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
It's like it's like this lady doesn't even care about Derek.
Carry let me talk to him.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Like quiet on the set.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
It's the party ruiner back here.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
You know what the heck?

Speaker 2 (03:22):
I like my women like I like my airports, loud, intrusive, I.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Need not caring what I want.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, I'm trying to get to the bottom of this
water proof notebook and she's over there throne agenda. That's
funny because yeah, when I go on the road, I
have my I also have my routine of like, you know,
just things that keep me saying. But usually it's just
involves exercise, walking around and remember the days. I don't
know if you still do this when you go on
the road and you walk around the mall.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Were you ever a mall walker?

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I do like it. I enjoy a mall walk. I
just did that Minneapolis Mall of America, and I loved
the mall when the store's were closed. Yes, you go
in the morning and now he gets some laps in.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Dude, when I've done that mall.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
I remember the first time I was blown away, Like
the first day, I was like wow. And then after
about the third day of being stuck at that mall.
You're just like, Wow, this mall is getting a lot smaller.
Like I'm starting.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
To see we're relating relating to me. You're you're about
to say, we're gonna say repeat.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Stores, Yes, repeat stores.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Yep, dude, the Minneapolis mall has like three gaps. I
went there and I go, where's the Starbucks? And they
directed me to the Starbucks and used other Starbucks as directions.
We're taking too a good one.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yeah, you're like, forget the first two. You need to
go to the one in the left.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, that place is day three. You start to wonder
if you should just apply for a job at the mall.
We started to question all of comedy exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, you know, I do like the malls, but it's
I don't know, because maybe I'm getting older, but I
don't like crowded malls. I'm like, I like to kind of,
you know, be alone with my thoughts, but uh.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Or just not Remember when we were younger and they
would go, you gotta go to this this bar it's packed, yeah,
and he'd be like, yeah, let's get and now it's like,
we gotta go this bar. There's gonna be nobody there. Okay,
you're totally right.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I just did a show on Friday, and this guy's like,
let me show you like the main strip. It was
a small it was a smaller town, but he was
excited by this main strip because there was bars and stuff,
and I was like, it was even though it's a
small town.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I'm like, it's a little too rowdy for me.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I mean it's like a miniature version of like San Diego,
which but it wasn't too rowdy. But we ended up
going to this place and they had live music, and
I go, you know what's funny. When I was younger,
I would have I would have hated this place. But
now I'm like, oh wow, every fifth song is Elvis Presley,
every you know, and you can actually have a conversation.
But even then, I stayed in there for about ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
I go, let's get out of here.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, dude. Whenever someone asked me to go to a concert,
I always I always go, what if we just play
the CD and you still be around me? You know,
that'd be so much easier.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Exactly like my wife.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
My wife says it, she'll she'll she always looks at
what concerts are happening, so we'll go to concerts as
a family, you know, my wife and my son, and
he's seventeen now, and I really enjoy a lot of those,
like throwback concerts, like you know, eighties concerts, And when
it's the final, the grand finale, I'm usually like, Okay,
now I can use the restroom because all the regular

(06:15):
people are gonna want to They're gonna want to see
the big grand finale and encore.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
But I'm like, I gotta go. I want to go
in there and not have to face.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
A line, you know, duck completely. And then you even
see some of those older bands that used to be
kind of crazy and you know, nutty when they were younger,
and they're like, are you guys ready for more? And
the crowd's like, no, thanks, we have to get out
for work in the morning.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I'm gonna I'm gonna curse on this because the guy cursed.
But I saw Modern English at the eighties concert and
then they weren't all white, they had their key tars
and the sun was still out a little bit like
it was that kind of thing. It was at the
Greek Theater and he goes, uh, the lead singer comes
out and he goes oh, we having a good time
and the crowd's like yay, and he goes, then.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
How about showing some fucking.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Enthusiastic that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
And then they just and then they just go into
their big hit song, Mmm, moll stop the world and
melt with you.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Oh yeah, that's a gooddy. That's a goody. You do
have to account as a performer. You do have to
account for your audience and not take it personally, like
in Naples. You know, like I just said, like Irvine
or something, it was like these crushing, crazy shows. When
you're at Naples, you have to look at the crowd
and say, they're all eating chicken parmesan, you know, like

(07:30):
they're eating these giant meals, and you have to sort
of go, they just want to listen to a show,
almost like that older rocker kind of asked to go, Hey,
this is my crowd. Now. They're enjoying themselves. But they're
just not throwing you know, they're not throwing bras on
stage because it takes two people to get them off.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Now, yes, exactly, I did a I performed last week
Insteade of a You know, it sounds good on paper,
I guess, but not when.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
You get there.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
It was it was inside of what they called in
a but it was a basketball arena and it was
in a junior college and it was super echoey high
ceilings and the bleachers. Get this, Jamie, the bleachers. It
was eleventh It was all boys, eleventh grade boys, twelfth
grade boys, and junior college boys. And the guy that
went on right before me, I could. I was like, Okay,

(08:19):
on a scale on one to ten, the laughs are
going to be at about a three because they've been
they've been in class all day, and you're just like,
I just went up there, and I'm like, Okay, this
is what it is. And every now and then i'd
get a loud pop, but not really and it was
nothing you'd want to film because you're like, I don't
want this documented unless you're gonna like add music or
something over it.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
But you gotta accept your audience. And I was at
Casino once and the Lakers had made it to the playoffs.
It might have even been like a game seven and
they go, we're not turning off this game, like even
though they're in county. And it was when Shaq and
Kobe were playing together, and dude, I was on stage
and I was bombing, so I tried to time my

(08:58):
punchlines with when Shack dunk the ball so they would
at least sound like they were clapping for me. That's brilliant,
very brilliant.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
And then I said, that's why the chicken.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
And they're like, because back in the day they used
to throw out to Shack like he was the basket.
They were like, ah, he's the basket. Basically, dude, that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Man.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Man, you know you're on the grid. We're you're on
the grind like an incredibly high level. I see you're
You're just you're flying, You're touring, your your your machine
is like, you're like super duper funny. I gotta say, like,
I always laughed at you when I would see you
on television, and then to see you in person, it
was like an honor. I was like, now this is
you know. It was in the audience that night. I
don't know if you talked to him, but Jimmy Dore

(09:44):
came by and watched your set. I don't know if
you knew that.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
I don't know if you knew Yeah, yeah I did.
I love that dude. I saw him on the way
and he, in my opinion, is one of the best
we have, and so it was very nice to see
him at the Shealty said some nice things after. He's brilliant. Man,
it's I sight to see that dude.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
He's so good because he's also like topical and he
and what I remember because I, you know, I I
do shows with them around town and usually he's doing like,
you know, like like in La you know, you do
like ten minute sets and or maybe twenty if you're lucky,
but usually at that club that you that we worked at,
I'm like, Jimmy, I wish I could, you know, man,
I wish you would go on longer, because like you're

(10:20):
you know, he has a way of talking about things
that are happening and then just making it funny.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
And he's really good at it.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
And anyways, it was kind of cool that when I
walked off stage or at some point I saw him there,
I'm like, Jimmy, what's going on, man, It's a great set,
dren And and so that's what I was saying. That
was a good, you know, nod to you because you're
so good and like you said, you've been you know,
it's so funny. I heard you on a podcast talking
about your first wave of success. I guess, and you

(10:48):
did the Tonight When did you do the Tonight Show
the first time?

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Oh dude, I did Montreal and really quick story, but
I did New Faces at Montreal, and I did not
know what New Faces was. I was so doing. I
didn't even know it was a big dealer to be nervous.
I never even heard of it. And I was m
seeing at a club in the middle of nowhere called
Deja Vu in Columbia, Missouri, and it's it's oh my god,

(11:12):
and it used to be like just a party central
and they go, hey, tonight, you don't have to work.
They're doing like a Montreal thing, and I go, okay.
So they got the day off and I start talking
to this guy at the bar, just chatting, and he's
like going up tonight and I go, nope, I'm here
the rest of the week. At then, you know, like,
I'm just off tonight because you guys are doing the thing.
And the guy goes, I says, I'm funny, you know her,

(11:33):
And he goes, why don't you go up? And I go,
all right, I'll go up. And so I got thrown
up on this Montreal showcase, was not nervous, did not
understand any of the gravity of it, had a pretty
good set, and then they gave me Montreal. I was
the last guy to get it. I think they gave
it to everyone and someone couldn't do it, and I
was like, fault and I jumped in and then I

(11:55):
did this to Night Show three days later. Whoa on
the Monday after the weekend of Montreal. I did the
Tonight Show immediately. It was like two thousand and one,
and it was like, dude, it was like farm to
table man. It was like I was just a feature
on the road in the middle of nowhere. And then
I was on the on the Sunight Show three days later. Yeah,
it was two thousand and one, and dude, you know,

(12:16):
you just don't know anything I give. I think we
all need to give our younger selves just a break
because we feel stupid looking back as the people we
are now making the decisions with me at them, But
we were not those people with this experience, and I
made every mistake you could make that like, I just
was partying too much. I thought, oh, you just do
Montreal on the Tonight Show and then they just hand
you a TV show. I didn't know you had to

(12:37):
work at it. I just thought you showed up to
these meetings and everything was great, and that's not what happens.
Like I just sort of faded away into like a
bit of a you know, headlining just all over the country,
tiny rooms, kind of back to like what it was
before the tonight show. And then when I got back
on Gutfeld, I was like, well, this isn't happening again.

(12:58):
Like I'm gonna be the hardest working person that I know,
and I'm gonna wake up every morning and work towards
you know, like keeping these fans and gaining more fans
and doing bigger shows. And I just it's so interesting
to me how he is such a full time job
for me now like son up to sun down with
you know a couple of breaks, but compared to back
then when I thought you just could rest and wait

(13:20):
for the success to happen. Like, you know, you're the
same way, man, Like I just I you know, I'm
taping every show right with jokes for people, and you know,
doing the social media. The shows are probably like one
tenth of you know, of what I do every day.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
It's but any idea who that guy was at the
Deja Vous comedy club who told you you should go up?

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Remember it was his first name was Heavy and he
was the booker of the Montreal Comedy.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
FESTE okay, I think he was.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
He was Heavy and it was Freddie DeMarco. Remember that guy.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
You know what I heard about him? I got it.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I when I did that club. It was after Freddy
had left, and it was with Matt.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
There's a famous so Afraid to Markt was like this
old school gangster kind of guy that ran that place.
And he actually helped convince the guy to put me
on the show. I think he was part. He was like, oh,
this guy's funny or something. And there's a great freend
de Marco story where he's in the office watching surveillance tape.
He's watching, Yeah, he calls us all in and he's
watching a bartender steal money from him. So we're all

(14:22):
watching this video and this guy comes up and he
pays twenty bucks for a couple of shots. And the
guy puts twenty bucks in his pocket. I don't know.
The guy puts ten bucks in the register. Ten bucks
in his pocket.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Another person comes up gives the twenty bucks. He puts
ten dollars in the register, ten dollars in the pocket.
A few minutes go by, a guy comes up, he
by the try, he gives him twenty dollars. He puts
the whole twenty dollars in his pocket, and Freddie runs
out and goes, what do we not partners anymore? And
he fires the guy. Classic.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, I would hear the legend of Freddy de Marco.
Before I got there, they were like this guy that.
But when I got there, it was the younger owner, Matt.
I forget his last name, but he.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Was yeah, yeah, yeah, Mat, yep, yep, I remember that dude,
tall dude.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah, tall dude, and were like polo shirts and it
was yep, yep. That was a great And then that's
so cool, crazy, that's crazy. You did the showcase, you did.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
This night show.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
It's like bang, bang bang, no what I got lucky
enough to do the Tonight Show?

Speaker 1 (15:15):
And it was it took them like a year to
actually put me on.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
It was one of those things where they're like going
over my h you perform and then they're like, why
did you add this word? Why did you say that word?
You know, let's rearrange it. So I mean, that's amazing
that you got in there, you know, like that.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
That's where I find So that's what I find so
fascinating about like doing gut Helt now is like our
audience is bigger than the night show now, right, And
what I find fascinating is back in the day I
did the same thing, like where when I went to
get do this night show again, where they took my
set and just like my Montrel set was so tight
because I've been working on it for years and years
and years, you know, like just that I just always

(15:52):
had a five minute set and so when they put
me on that showcase, I was like, oh, I got
this five, Like I've been working on this forever. And
so then that five they go that tonight show, which
I guess is kind of unusual. And then the next
time I was on it was what you said. It
was like, you're on the board, but we're gonna come
watch you do this five at different spots around town.
We're gonna tell you take this word out, put that
word in, and you're honing it. And then what's so

(16:14):
funny to me is on Gusheld, you not only not
only do they not know what you're gonna say. You've
written all the jokes that day that you were doing
on a show that has a bigger audience than tonight show.
You're doing brand new material every night that you're on,
and I find it it's just the most the adrenaline
rush and like the risk and like when you're done

(16:34):
having not you know, you didn't bomb, you got a
couple of laughs. It's like a wild feeling because it's
not maybe it's almost helpful that you don't have to
prepare that set and then you're just sort of getting
out there and just saying whatever.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
You're really by the way, you are really good at it.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Man.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Like when I watched you.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
On that show, You're like, it's it's great because I
want to say, I remember when you first came on
there and it was like, oh cool man that because
I was like, there's Jamie. He's funny. And then dude,
you just light up the screen. And you know what's
interesting is your your sounds kind of odd, but like
you you really do look good on camera, Like your
your eyes are kind of like this blue color and
you just have this twinkle in your eye and you

(17:09):
and you like this mischievous thing and then boom, you
always come.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
You always bring it. Man.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
It's like, uh, yeah, I appreciate people are often very
disappointed at well, like in real life. So I appreciate that.
I think it's a shared sentiment.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Yeah, it's uh and you know I did I did
a I don't know if you ever did comics Unleashed,
Uh that Byron ever did? It's you know, they have
four comics and then they each you know, they'll viron
will turn you a so Duran, you're like roller coaster
and then you do your bid and yeah, some of
the comics would would like play along and kind of
like laugh along. Oh that that's and then some we're

(17:43):
in their head thinking about what they were going to say.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Does that ever affect you.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
When you're when you're doing a show like that, like
if the other guests aren't really or do you just
think like they're in their own world thinking about what
they're gonna say?

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Or how does oh did I've done both of those things?
So I have been the guy that ignored everyone and
only thought about my next joke, to the point where
they stopped showing me on camera when I wasn't talking
because I was a reading notes, and I've kind of
grown out of that to where I do try to
memorize all my stuff. I write a ton of jokes.
That's my excuse. Like I'm writing three to five jokes

(18:17):
per segment, five segments per show, so fifteen jokes. You
got to remember, that's not really possible. And so I
do have a little notes where I'll check them on
commercial break, but I'm trying to write less jokes and
I commit to the ones I'm going to do, and
then that way, I've noticed I can listen and what's
even better than doing a new joke on TV is
doing an ad lib on TV. It's maybe the best

(18:39):
feeling of all time. And so I found that since
I did the you know, I'm trying to just glance
at the notes on commercial break now, plus a lot
of people online gave me just massive piles of shit
for it, it's easier to stand the moment and you realize,
like you can do freakin ad libs on a television
show in front of four million people, and it's a
whole nother level of like, you know, kind of like

(19:00):
excitement and nervousness, and I absolutely love it.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Can you tell the story about I'd love to hear
the story.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
I heard you say that. The audience like.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
About I think you sort of add libs something in
the moment, and it crushed on TV and it was
about I think perhaps proposing to your lady.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Oh yeah, dude. I ended up. Me and my fiance
got engaged and decided not to tell anybody. We decided
because we have children, that we wouldn't tell anybody until
they found out. And then I was on Guffult the
very next day and did not have a joke prepared. Yeah,
and just set there was like some interview where this
girl was close, really close to another girl, and I said, like, man,

(19:41):
I didn't I proposed to my girlfriend this weekend. Didn't
get as close to her as that girl back to
that girl, and it just like, you know, the whole
show stops because I'm a loser that doesn't have a girlfriend.
And then like Gray's like, oh my god, get you
got engaged, and I'm like Dan, He's like, have you
told your ex wife yet? And I go, yeah, just
now on your show, none of this is planned, and
so yeah, well we ended up. We ended up telling

(20:02):
all our friends and family to watch it. Like a
temptem that night we told them Jamie's got a message.
You can you can hear something. And then I think
I mentioned this on the story on stage, but the
show got preempted because there was there was like protesters
at Comb University, and so I just told one hundreds
of people to just watch Sean Hannity cover the Columbia protests.
And it didn't there that day and then and there

(20:23):
the next day and all as well.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
I remember on stage you said something like, is Jamie
gonna pop out of a bush with a sign?

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Oh? Yeah, see in one of those tents him in
the purple.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, that's funny. You know.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Usually, like when I'm on radio or whatever, like they
at they throw a question, all the neurons are firing,
like bing, I have an answer. But the other night
I was I was at the comedy store and there
was a younger comic in the back and as I
walked back there, he goes, hey, Darren, let me ask
you a question. And it was one of these like
I don't know where questions. He's like, what have you
learned in the last year on stage?

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Oh? Wow?

Speaker 2 (20:57):
And I was like, whoa because I was like, it
was interesting. I I go, you know, and I just
told him my honest answer. I go, you know, I've
been doing this for so long. A lot of things
I learned were early on or even like longer than
a year. I go, in the last year, what have
I learned on like and specifically like on stage. I go,
I'm gonna need a moment to think about that.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
And I had to. I had to walk away because
I thought, I've.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Learned a lot already, like I don't know what you're
and what my answer. I came back and it wasn't
even it was really what it was more of a
technical answer. I said, I've learned to And this is
just because I film myself. I said, I've learned to,
like not move around so much. That way it makes
me eat the editing easier because otherwise, I go. Even now,
even though there's.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Software now that you can it can track you and
you know, keep you in that that that square.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
But I go, I just found it if I stand
within like a three to four foot area, it's better.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
For me editing. I go, that's kind of what I learned.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
But you know, did he accept your answer? Did?

Speaker 2 (21:49):
He soon pleased yeah, because this other guy jumped in
and was like because it was another younger comic, and he's, oh, absolutely,
and he started like, you know, talking about how he
used to run around and cartwheels and now it's it
makes it crazy to do editing, and and then he
said that he learned.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
From I forget who it was. Oh, Barry Cat, the
big manager Barry Cats.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yeah, yeah, he said, yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
The other comic, not the one that asked me the questioning.
He goes, yeah, Barry told me all funny happens in
this area. And it was like, basically from like the
chest up.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
And if you can make your comedy from.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
The chest up that it really reads well on camera
as opposed to And I was like.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Oh, very interesting. So I would have said, I would
have said, in the last year, I've learned not to
take questions from younger comics.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
After I goes, now, beat it, you bum, that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, because you know, as you know, we're constantly learning,
and especially like as you're going through the journey, you
know you're like learn, Oh, don't don't say you know,
like they have word too much because then it looks
you know what I mean, all those things and then
eventually kind of weed out a lot of those things.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
But you know, yeah, dude, well I go. I learned.
I feel like I learned two things recently. One of
them was not to take the like laughter or non
laughter too personally. Like if you're killing, don't think that
you're that funny. And if you're not killing, don't think
that you're not funny. Because I watched the openers at
Naples and my buddy's hilarious and sometimes you kill and

(23:19):
sometimes you wouldn't, and it's because they're eating, so like
that is not gonna do with him. It's almost like
you have to take that personal aspect out of it
and do something else. I learned recently. I got a
call on I I had nine shows that weeket in Naples.
We started with three, we added three shows. It was bananas, man.
It was like, it's like twenty two hundred tickets. It was.
It was nice. And I was doing press every day,
like I was busy and everything, and my manager calls

(23:41):
on Friday and I'm like, dude, I'm looking at this
weekend like a mountain I have to climb. I'm just like,
there's a lot of shows, a lot of whatever, and
he goes, dude, there's this TV show. I want to
tell you this fisodes but he goes, there's a TV
show used to be on and it's like comics selling stories,
and like they want to look at you for a slot.
I just need you to record like a story, like
a new story, and they like if it's edgy and

(24:02):
so if yeah, and he's like, you could tell I
was addicted to create him for a while. I actually
had to go to rehab and he's like, if you
could tell the creative story and I'm like, let me
get this straight. You would like me too. It's Friday afternoon.
You would like me to write a story about a
very serious topic and mix it in with my silly
jokes tonight in Naples, like just do it and he's like,

(24:22):
we have till Monday and it's supposed to be seven
to ten minutes. And I'm like, okay, so you want
me to write a ten minute bit that I'm going
to write and perform in the middle of like my
other material that this has nothing to do with. And
I was like every sell in my body was fighting it,
and I go, well, let me try it. What's the
worst that happens, I don't send it or I don't
do it, and I ended up starting on Friday. By Sunday,

(24:42):
I got a nine minute bit about quitting Cratoon that
I just sent to the TV place and I finished it,
and it really taught me that sometimes new material, you're
so excited about it, it can do as well as
long as it's true and real and raw and vulnerable.
Is these jokes we've been doing forever, Like there's something
about relatability and being honest that gives you a little

(25:05):
bit more leadway on stage. And it made me go,
holy shit, dude, that was like ten minutes. I could
do this every weekend if I wanted to, Like why
am I not doing that? So maybe me feel a
little bit lazy, but maybe realize there's like more opportunities
there to do more if we're there anyway, you're in
Naples anyway, Like why not do a new ten minutes?

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah? I have to ask a question. I don't think.
What is kratim? I've never even heard.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Of it, dude. It's like this, It's like this herb
drug type of thing that they sell. It's weird. It's
like legal, like in Florida, you can buy it at
seven to eleven in gas stations, and in Indiana, if
you're pulled over and you are in possession of it,
you can be taken to jail. Oh my gosh, the's

(25:48):
a lot of different stuff. And I didn't know it
was really bad for me. And I don't drink. I
quit drinking nine years ago. And you know how non
drinkers are always looking for, you know, a little something
to We drink a lot of coffee. We drink we
want to change our minds bit. So I see this
creative bottle, like, oh, let me try this thing. And
long story shows you. I get so addicted. I'm drinking
like nine balls a day and I had to go

(26:09):
to uh. I'll tell you a quick part of the story.
But I was on Doctor Drew his show, and he's
like a friend of mine and we're doing a Q
and A and this guy goes, what do you think
of creative? And I've been taking it. I've been kind
of like taking it a lot of it for months
and Doctor Drew says, oh, it's so bad. It's more
addictive that He's like, it's the same addiction as opioids,

(26:29):
and especially if you had a problem with drinking. It's
like very troublesome, and I'm drinking nine a day when
he's answering this question. And so the minute the show ends,
I called doctor Drew on his cell phone and I go, hey, dude,
I've been taking nine of these a day and he goes,
you have to stop, and I go, okay, but do
you have any doctor advice? I mean I knew that,
do you have any doctor stuff to tell me? And
he goes. So I get into this outpatient like rehab

(26:52):
facility in Fairbanks and end up they put me on
Ida cancel shows. They put me on some box in,
which is what they give you when you getting off
of heroin. Right, So my first thought was like, oh
my god, I could have tried heroin. What a waste
of recovery, you know, And but I ended up you know,
I did, I did. I did both those things. It

(27:13):
got off of it pretty quickly, but very very dangerous
stuff that if I found it as a teenager there
would have been no looking back. And it's at gas
stations and seven eleven's in Florida, next to like trucker
stay awake bills.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Is it right or is it like a fancy name,
and then it that's one of the ingredients in it.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
If you go to a smoke shop, it'll say create them,
and you're buying creative pills and powder. But if you
go to a gas station, it will be called something
like euphoric or free and clear or and then you
and then you look and it has creative in it,
but it but it won't usually say creatum because now
there's a bit of a stigma attached, and so they
try to hide it in there.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Sometimes is it does it give you?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Is it like a ripped fuel or something like that
or whatever, like like it, Like I remember there was
that these pre work remember, and it would give you
all this energy, like I think Finfinn was in it.
This is like a long time ago, but it would
make me ges. It was like kind of like jittery.
Then I was like, oh my, it's like drinking like
fifteen coffees or something.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Yeah, dude, so you're hitting my I also used to
be addicted to a veteran, which was the main ingredient
in rip fuel, and that ended up being really bad
and getting outlawed. I think it's still legal in Canada,
but not legal in the United States, and this is
slightly different. It's more euphoria than energy, like a feeling
of being unstoppable. Dude, whoever says drugs are bad hasn't

(28:29):
tried them. They're amazing. They get bad, they are eventually bad,
but like this is one where it was so good,
it was so addictive. Like if it was such not
worth it, not worth the risk, you know, one of
those things where like, of course there's a price to pay,
but my goodness. Like for the first couple of times,
I was like, I have found a magic formula that's

(28:50):
an alternative to drinking, having no idea that I was
basically taking opioids.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, because if you're buying it, like at a convenience store,
you're like, this is legal, it's good for you. I
remember I used to the first thing I would do
when I would land at an airport, I would go like,
look for Arizona iced teas because I'm like, oh, it's
green tea, it's good for you. It's And then eventually
I was like, I'll just stick with it. Now I'm
just drinking black coffee because I don't even put the
creamer sugar in. I stopped doing the cream and sugar
years ago and it's that's pretty good, or like a

(29:15):
nice ice coffee, Like when I have a long drive,
I'll just get like an iced Americano or like an
iced coffee, and it just I don't know what makes
the drive go.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
And dude, I'm with you. Yeah, I did black coffee,
same exact thing. Every once in a while when I'm
like crazy, I drink a die Coke. You know, when
people go, do you do you party? I just assume
I mean drink a die Coke. That's what I did.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
I'll have two. Yeah, man, that's wild.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
That's that's something you did learn on stage though, Like, Okay,
try this story, go out there and do it. And
I'm I guess you just did you tell the audience
or did you just weave it in like it was
a like already a part of your existing act.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
All I said was I experimented with telling them exactly
what I was doing. I said, I'm trying out this
story for TV show. I said that the first night
that was the wrong idea, Darren. It really took people
out of the moment and it was really hard. So
after that first show that mistake, I started going, hey,
I'm going to share a personal story with you guys,

(30:13):
something I have not talked about very often, and then
I tell the story.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
I like that because that way they're leaning in, going
what's the personal story? Yeah, as opposed to the first way.
Maybe they're more judgmental, like okay, I could.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
See you know, yes, And I think they also don't
know if they're supposed to laugh because you're telling them
it's like it's like a serious thing. So I think
they were like a little too reserved. But if you
go right into it, dude, it was my By the
end of the weekend, I was closing on it nine minutes.
Oh wow. And I had more than one person come
up after with a personal relate to a kreatum struggle

(30:47):
and one guy that was on it and thought he
was developing a problem, like from just doing it. In
one weekend, I went into so many people that of
course they have, dude, it's like in seven to eleven
and it's amazing, and like, of course people are getting
d it.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
That is a blessing in disguise.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Right, Your manager calls you, and by the way, he's
a wonderful guy and I like him and he yeah,
and he's like, hey, here's this thing.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
And you're like, oh, man, and then you and then
it now now you're closing on it. It's like it's awesome, Yeah,
that is it.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Go'll get to you something like that. I don't do
that enough. And it felt good to send him the
cliff and be like, here it is, man, we worked
on it this weekend.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
So you're in Florida. Are you flying to another gig?
You're flying home for a couple of days.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Are you here flying to New York City to do
the Great Guest Fault Show tomorrow? Man?

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Did he did?

Speaker 3 (31:37):
He? Did?

Speaker 1 (31:38):
You get the topics today? Or you'll get the topics tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
We get him the day of the show, like four
hours at a time, because they want them to be
like the breaking news stories, and so they usually do
it the morning out and then you write there for
like five hours and then you film for an hour
and that's it.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
There's a comic that I write with once a week,
and he's he's he's on the radio here in l A.
And he's always looking for topical stuff and new stuff.
And and it started out really easy for me because
I would watch his act and I'd be like, oh,
you try this as a punchline or try that as
a punch and it was really great because it was
the blueprint was already out there. Like I remember one

(32:15):
of the first jokes I wrote for him was it
was when Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un We're going
to meet, and the whole world was like, where are
they gonna meet?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Are they gonna meet? You know, where's this big meeting
going to happen?

Speaker 2 (32:25):
And so I said something like like, uh, I go, hey,
you could be like they wanted the meet at the
place they would both feel comfortable, super cuts right, And
he was like thank you, and he was ah, he goes, man,
that joke's been killing I mean he was he might
have been exaggerating, but he goes, it's getting a one
minute applause.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Oh my gosh, but he has time thank you.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
As time has gone by, it's been harder because he's
also sort of coming to me going so what's in
the news this week? Like he doesn't have any setups
or premises, and so now I'm trying to do I'm.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Like, dude, this is He's like, do we have anything on?
And I'm like, oh, so it's.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
It'd be way easier if you were well, not easier,
but well a little bit easier if at least he
would like, here's ten premises or something, can you do?
You ever have to come there with both, or they
at least give you the news.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Stories they always give us, Like sometimes it will be
multiple stories, like the a block will be like eight
different stories, and so you kind of have to have
jokes for all of them, depending on which way the
conversation goes, or if somebody uses your joke, or you
don't know what he's going to ask you exactly, so
he could be like elon Trump, doge whatever, and so

(33:32):
you kind of have to be ready for anything.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, And I remember you you went on early on
where I was like, that's so cool.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
He's a comedian, he's doing this, and and I remember
you were really funny without being like preachy. And also
some of your punchlines were kind of like like or
your take on things were sort of neutral, where you
were like You're like, I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
This guy's political affiliation is. I like him a lot.
He's great, you know, Like, was that the first time
he did the show?

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Were you a little nervous of like like, oh, I
don't want people to think I'm a you know, a
conservative comedian or did that not even cross your mind or.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
You don't what, dude, I would say, it never crossed
my mind until I would like lose friends or people
would get upset, Like it never crossed my mind. I
was always a comedian that was like, you tell me
what to write a joke about, and I'll write a
joke I didn't know. And also, dude, if you've noticed,
and I did not do this by design, this is
just how I am. I have been on that show.
Next week will be my one hundred and thirty fifth appearance.

(34:32):
I have yet to make a point one point in
one hundred and thirty five appearances. I always prioritized the joke.
Like for me, it's always been like jokes first, And
so I kind of thought, do I even need to
bring my beliefs or do I need to convince someone
that's watching the show that already agrees with me or
says me to someone that disagrees with me, I'm not
going to convince them at a comedy show, So why

(34:53):
not just go with laughs first, which I've always done,
And it's translated into like, you know, nine shows in Naples.
But I will say the hate that you get even
when you are doing that is unbelievable. I just got
a message right before I picked up your call that
is like deeply upsetting to the point where I might
respond it actually is from dude. I do my show.

(35:16):
I do one hour of material that is not political.
Like you saw my set, I don't talk about politics
at all. And at the end of the show, I
said one joke about like Elon trying to save the
humanity by taking us to Mars or something. One joke
at the hour in ten, mark my contract forty five minutes,
send it an hour in ten. Everything's free at this point, complimentary,

(35:37):
even if you don't like it. And I got an
email from a girl who said my dad was her
guidance counselor and she was at the show last night
where I did one hour and ten minutes and one
Elon joke, and she said he would be disappointed in
me that I am, and I'm like, okay. First of all,
he would be upset that this woman is not as

(35:58):
accepting of me as I would be of her, even
if she disagreed like he was. I thought very busire though,
like to going towards my dad who passed away. I
feel like it's just such a low and also overreacting
to me saying elon Musk, like just that's such a
trigger that I feel like that is wrong. Those are
the people in politics I have no interest in being

(36:19):
friends with or having come to my shows on either side.
If someone's way too far, if you're keing Tesla's or
you're calling people names because they have different thoughts about
like Roe versus Wade. I'm somewhere definitely more not in
the middle, but I'm not the five percent all the
way to the right, and I don't enjoy the five
percent all the way to the left. I feel like

(36:40):
those people can also go ask themselves and I don't
need them, Like when there's when there's non acceptance, like
I love to agree to disagree with friends who I
am engaged to a very someone that has believes that
are different than mine when it comes to like reproductive
rights or whatever, and we love each other and we
discuss that stuff sometimes and then we have a wonderful

(37:01):
life together. And I don't understand why a stranger is
so triggered that it's like you're It was basically like
a you're evil you're on the wrong side of history.
And I'm like, okay, I believe that you're taking this
a little too far. And that's stuff I get a
little heated about.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, especially since, like you said, she brought your dad
into it.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
And it's like, because if it's just a random, total
stranger with no connection, you're like, okay, whatever, but she
was at your show, and it's like, yeah, sometimes it's
best not to even respond. But I don't know, or
or at least give it a day or two and
then cooler heads prevail.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
But yeah, is that your baby back there.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
I was just about to mention that I was wondering
to hear that I have children, and I actually have
such a double standard. I don't like children if they're
not with me. Like, if I'm traveling with children, I'm
upset if someone's mad at me for a kid making
a kid noise. But when I am traveling, I want
all children to not be children. I'm like, just they
sat next to a kid the other day, and I go,

(37:59):
this kid must work for Bow's noise canceling headphones. This
is too much to handle.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Everyone's like, can I buy some of those? As soon
as they land? They're like they want to go get
some bow's noise canst the headphones.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
I think I was a lot more forgiving when our
son was really little, like when he was like the
first year or two. I'd be on a plane and
I'd be like, oh, they have a baby also, But
you're right, as time has gone by, I'm like, shut
the cat up.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yeah I did have I don't have enough empathy. I
have such a double standard. It's unvulnerable. You know what
I want, dude, I want a parent. All I want, Sarah,
kid's kicking my seat or something. Yeah, all I want
is the parent to try to get them to stop.
I want the parent to go, come on, buddy, someone's
sitting up there. If they kick it the whole rest
of the flight, I know that's okay as long as

(38:44):
the parent tried. But if there's a parent that's like, yeah,
see how hard you can kick it, that upsets me.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
They're like go like it's socker. Sometimes I'm I've sat
next to it, like I'll be I always try to
get the window seats I can sleep, and they'll put
a kid in the middle, and the kids like, like
you said, fidgety and moving around, and I'm like, well,
if it's a short flight, I'm a lot more patient.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
You know. But it is annoying. It's like ugh, you know,
but yeah, I agree, tough Jamie.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Before we go, and I want to thank you for
joining us here on pocket Party. Do you have Is
there anything you've learned in the last or rediscovered anything
you've discovered in the last year or rediscovered in the
last year that's just made your life better where you're like, oh,
I forgot about this, this entertains me, or this really
gets me going, or this is what's.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
A That's a very good question. I would say one
thing that I am trying to do more is that
has changed my life. I don't know if this is
exactly a dirrect answer, but it's been had a huge
impact on me. It's making so like for us it's comedy,
like comedy is our job and we sort of live
and breathe. At times, I have learned to make it
smaller in the sense of, like I look at my

(39:54):
kids and my fiance. I don't walk away from this
guy who's yelling at me. Does he even know that
I'm talking to you? He's all all he cares what
he was boring, this flight is so ridiculous. But I
think I think I have learned that. I just this
has just happened this morning too, but I just canceled

(40:15):
what I think what for me is a is a
very good gig, right, so I have a gig on
the books that it's a special gig for me, like
it's a corporate. I don't do many corporates. It pays
very well, it pays what I would normally make in
a weekend. And I was very excited when I booked it.
And then I was talking to my daughter and I
realized I had made a mistake. And she's graduating from
eighth grade on the same night. And I don't know

(40:37):
if you know this, but when your kids get older,
they celebrate. They're like, oh, we're graduating from five and
a half. Great, like there's so many graduating. And I
got the feeling she wanted me to go, And at
first I was like, oh, that's too bad, I can't go.
And then I realized, dude, comedy is so small and
those people aren't going to be upset, like, oh, you know,
I'm not going to just cancel on someone the night before.
This is months away, and I called a friend who's

(40:59):
very similar to me, and I called my manager and
I said, I really can't do this gig. I have
a kid thing, but I want to make sure they're
okay with it. And I go, I got a guy.
He's just like me. He's on Gutfeld. He's like the
same guy. He will do it. He's available. Could you
see if we could swap it out? They did it,
And so I think what I have learned is you
can do anything you want, and you don't have to

(41:20):
act like it's all going to go away, and you
don't have to work every single week because if you
work every week, you get no rewards and money. What
money is for, Like I don't know what it is for.
Like if I make more money tonight, I'm not going
to buy a helicopter. I'm in driver around alley. My
life doesn't change that much. Once you have a roof
over your head and you have food, and so once

(41:41):
you get to a certain level, I think you can't
be scared because I feel this. You know, I had
that heat in two thousand and one and it all
went away. So I have this memory of this fear
of thinking it was going to be okay, and then
it wasn't. And so I have learned you just have
the confidence that you can make comedy small in the
sense of we still work really hard, but I don't

(42:01):
take it personally. I don't stress out more than I
have to, and I save my energy for those kids
and for my fiance, and by canceling some of those shows,
that's what money's for. Getting to say no and seeing
my daughter, and then the energy you receive from hey,
what's up, how you do it? Nice to see it. Yeah,
I can't go anywhere. By the way that I did

(42:24):
not recognize your from gutfald, I was I was black
typed truck last night. I took my pants off. Do
you recognize that? But I think I think what I've
really learned is that, like life, work, balance is not
just something you say, it's something you have to live.
And the rewards of balancing it so outweigh just being

(42:44):
a workaholic and seeing, you know, acting like it's all
gonna end tomorrow. I can't say no, it all works
out Like you say no, you cancel the thing, or
you switch a guy out, and then they're like, we
want you next year. Man, This guy like nothing bad happens,
or they go You're like, hey, week every month I
see my kids, it's okay, Like they're gonna they'll find
a way to look to show around it. Or you

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make a little less money and you have a better life.
And man, so that's one thing I was not bad at.
I was not good at that. I am now getting
good at.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
Hey. Man, I'm glad you you know what I mean.
You shared that earlier in the podcast.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
We talked about going to a mall and walking around
during the day and see because I would be inspired
when I'd see things and I saw something. Maybe it
was maybe fifteen sixteen years ago, so my son was
really little. He's seventeen now. And it was a place
that made wood working signs, like out of they they
would carve words into signs and this sign it said,

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never get so busy making a living, you forget to
make a life.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
And ooh that's good.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I remember.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
I took a photo of it, and I just I
look every now and then I look at that and
it's like I'm like, yeah, remember, it's those little moments
like you said the eighth grade graduation and stuff like
I heard you on a podcast A buddy of mine,
Danny Lubell and Mark Shift called we think it's yea
and it was great.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
You guys talked about I couldn't believe it. You said
you took your.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Son to a like a three day hip hop concert.
I was like, Yes, that's what I'm talking about, that
father son bonding.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Did they should sell t shirts for all of the
performers and also World's Greatest Dad sweatshirts for anybody that
sat through that festival.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, dude, I, Uh did you did you have the
because I always put the air.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
My wife always brings earplugs so we can when we
go to these concerts, cause that way it's like tolerable.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
But uh, was it just loud? And did you did
you know any of the artists or the songs or
was it just all unfamiliar?

Speaker 3 (44:34):
And so I liked like three I liked uh. Lil
YACHTI was there, and I love him. I mean, and
my son have seen him, just him. I'm big into
I have trouble go into a concert if I'm not
familiar with the music, and Lil YACHTI I know everything.
So I loved him and then I'm gonna forget his name.
There's a giant artist there. It was the guy who

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is the guy where people like somebody died and like
a cameraman.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Travis, Oh yeah, Travis Scotto.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
So Travis Scott was there and I enjoyed that, but
everyone else I was not familiar. And there's nothing worse
than unfamiliar rap. You just feel like you're reading a
book written in a different language. And so by the
way that Kendrick Lamar halftime show, yeah, that's more words
than I love him. But that's a lot of words, dude.
When I listen to Kendrick Lamar, I'm like, is there
a test tomorrow? What is this?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Like?

Speaker 3 (45:21):
It's very stressful. I had close caption on. I couldn't
even see him. There's so many words on the street exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
It's like, oh, don't talking like it. There's a.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
What is going son is getting paid by the word?
Like hemyway that guy.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
That's awesome, dude, that's a funny joke, you say. I
bet you. You're saying so many funny things throughout the day.
It's just gold being out there in the atmosphere, like
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I'm like, you've said a million things on this and
I'm like, oh, I bet you've never even said that before.
But my son, he's a musician, so he listens to
music and it like he listens to debate, you know.
He plays bass, piano, guitar, and so in the last
few years he's really gotten into heavy metal and talk
about annoying music if you don't if you're not familiar
with it, like, oh yeah, I very rarely get frustrated

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at my son like that. But one day we were
it was raining, i was dry, I was in the
parking lot, and I'm getting ready to back up, like
in a on a rainy, dark night and a crowded
fast food parking lot. And my son, you know, he's
he was probably fourteen at the time. He had the
music blasting loud. He put on like some it might
have been I don't know, some crazy heavy metal group,

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and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Dude, I got to concentrate. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
And then I immediately apologize. I'm like, I'm sorry, I
didn't mean to raise me. He's like, that's okay, dude,
but I'm like, to me, it just it's just noise.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
It wasn't there was no melody. It was just some
guy screaming at me.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
It was a Yeah, my son listens to hard core
wrap to the point where the clean version is only
like ten seconds long. Yeah, that's get rid of the
just just long silences.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
I used to, well, like I don't say, I don't
really like him up like I used to. But back
in the eighties I loved at the nineties and then
right around I mean, there's a few songs that still
get through, but I don't know, I just I kind
of I went Now I've gone back and listened to
different genres of music or dude, for a while, I
was really into Frank Sinatra. I'm like, now, this is
mellow and tells a great story and creates a zone.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
And the mood you know.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Yeah, that's good stuff, man.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah, and then and then and lately I've been into
the old school country music for sure.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Oh wow, wow, oh dude, I love it. I put
sparkers the genre exactly getting there. Yeah, I'll probably be
into rap like ten years from now again, I'll be.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Like, hey, son, I love this old school rap.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
This Travis Scott.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Well, Jamie, you're the best. Thank you for coming on,
and I'd love to have you back.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
And uh, do you have any I haven't asked this
question a long time, but I think I feel like
a guy like you, you've kind of already answered it.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
But in your own special way.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Do you have any words of wisdom, anything you've shared,
anything you've learned along the way, anything you'd like to
share with our listeners.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
I got one, dude, I got one. So I stole
this from Marcus Aurelius. I always I tried to live
by that the obstacle is the way, Like whatever hard
thing is happening to you, not only can you overcome it,
going further than that, like almost acting like you chose it.
And I'm in the middle of something right now that

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I will not get into. It's a really hard situation
that involves xives and things like that, and the only
thing getting me through is looking at the obstacle as
if it is the solution like you. Quick example would
be I got divorced. It was very sad, I lost
a lot of money, I was depressed, ATA moved to Alaska. Well,
now that's how everyone knows me from Gutthalt. So that's

(48:44):
my ultimate example of like all these bad quote unquote
bad things ended up being how everybody knows me that
walks past me in the airport and comes to my show.
Its like turning. I don't know whatever it is. I
feel like there's always a way to view it in
a way like that. It's sort of you know, it's
the old accepting what is, but I like thinking of
it is like the obstacle is the way, Like the

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impediment of the way is actually the way through. And
it sounds kind of crazy, but I have yet to
find a time when that is not true. Of course,
with exceptions like people finding out they're dying tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
But you know what I mean, Yeah I do, I
do one hundred percent, Yeah I do. I got into
a little bit of trouble on Instagram. I put a
word on there that rhymes with propane. It was I
like my women like I like mine. It rhymes with propane.
I don't even want to say it here, And I
used an Eric Clapton song which is named after that word,
and uh, and it got shared like seventy five thousand times.

(49:36):
I mean, this thing was blocking and then and then
AI detected it and was like hm, so I got
ding for three months. But you know what it is,
just like that obstacle I said, you know what, let
me let me put let me uh bang out more podcasts,
let me put more time into my YouTube channel. Let
me figure just like water, you're not going to let
it block if if you're blocked here the water, you're
going to go up flow the other way.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Yeah, And dude, not to PU. But I don't think
jokes about roguin or fun. You know, I can't believe
he would do that.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
I know he got it.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
That is so would be weird to be a weird
albatic song called rogame ro game.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Dude, do do rogame? Dude? I used to. I actually
tried rogain for a long time, but I did. I wasn't.
You gotta be consistent with it, like you gotta do
it morning and night, and I would. I would.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
I wouldn't see it until I wouldn't remember to put
it on until I saw a bald guy and I'm like, oh,
I don't want to.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Same. I'm not using one hundred percent uh secure treatment
called a hat. It's no side of thanks. Yeah, that's
with you, man. I enjoyed it very much.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
I did too.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Man, dude, thank you so much. And you brought up
a great memory with the Deja vu Colombia. I forgot
about that. Used to fly into either Kansas City or
Saint Louis, Yeah, and rent that car and go to
the middle of the state.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
And it was just a fun, right, man, remember you
so fun?

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Oh, it was so fun.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
I'd go to I have breakfast at Cracker Burrow and man,
I really felt like I was like, you're in the
middle of the country, man, like America. Like I loved it,
and I have so many remembories going there. But Jamie,
have a great day and great rest of your Thanks
for coming on and we'll see you soon and have
fun on Gutfeld.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
All right, thanks man, sounds good talkulatter you.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Got it, Bardy, thank you. Look at you.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
You made it all the way through. Another episode of
Pocket Party podcast. Isn't Jamie a great guest man? We've
had some real bangers lately.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Bangers.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Do us a favorite? Go leave a comment and I
like on the YouTube channel any on any of my videos.
If you get bored, just start playing him at work.
Tell your friends about this podcast. If you can just
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a graduation, or just like a pep talk.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
And we also have the link to buy me a coffee.
And there you go. Right, guys, have a great rest
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