November 4, 2024 • 59 mins
Summary
In this engaging conversation, DEM Tech Folks discuss the journey of Davis Donacien, who shares his experiences transitioning from a background in mechanical engineering to the tech world, focusing on Linux and video production. The discussion covers the importance of networking, mentorship, and continuous learning in the tech industry, as well as the impact of AI and blockchain technology. Davis emphasizes the significance of having an end goal and the determination to overcome challenges, inspiring others to pursue their passions in technology.
Takeaways
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In this engaging conversation, DEM Tech Folks discuss the journey of Davis Donacien, who shares his experiences transitioning from a background in mechanical engineering to the tech world, focusing on Linux and video production. The discussion covers the importance of networking, mentorship, and continuous learning in the tech industry, as well as the impact of AI and blockchain technology. Davis emphasizes the significance of having an end goal and the determination to overcome challenges, inspiring others to pursue their passions in technology.
Takeaways
- Davis Donacien's journey showcases the importance of mentorship.
- Networking can significantly impact career trajectories.
- Continuous learning is essential in the tech industry.
- AI and blockchain are shaping the future of technology.
- Having a clear end goal motivates perseverance.
- Overcoming challenges is part of the growth process.
- Presentation skills are as important as technical skills.
- The tech field offers diverse career paths.
- Embracing failures as learning opportunities is crucial.
- Young professionals can inspire others in the tech community.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Yeah. So honestly, Rico having a conversation.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
So a friend of mine introduced me to Rico, and
I was kind of, I want to say, lost, but
I kind of had an idea of what I wanted
to do because I was familiar with Microsoft. So I
was like, Okay, let me get into cloud, you know, engineering,
and try to figure that out and you know, maybe
I can implement that into my business somehow someway, you
know what I mean, and figure out the technology myself
and stuff like that, and you know, get a job,
(00:31):
be in the actual field and you know, learn and grow.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So I was in that period when I spoke to Rico.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Rico was like, Okay, that's good, but don't limit yourself.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I can't take no loss. I don't even know what.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
They hit the ground in and go off chance, hit
the ground in and go off chance.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I can't take no loss. Chill, I don't even know
what hit the ground in and go all right, everybody.
My name is David Donalson. I'm currently a r C
R h C S A, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Certified man. Now you know, I'm basically from New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
My tech background basically I would started people in Jersey
basic that that.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Who We're not basic.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Let's not have people from Jersey.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
That smoke. I just won't understand.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Jersey got a lot of smoking, all.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Right, I'm apolo jazzed, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
No, no, it's all good. It's all good, no foul.
So I'm from the Jersey. I grew up, you know,
pretty average.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I wouldn't say I was, you know, dirt poor or
anything of that nature, but you know, I always had
grew up a family, So I would say my tech
background kind of started from there because my older cousin,
from what I knew from when I was little, he
was doing computer engineering at the local community college. Yeah yeah, yeah,
(02:17):
so he was doing computer engineering and from there, like
I was always around him, like from a young age,
always saw him tinkering with computers at the time and
things like that. So this was like their early two thousands,
early nineties, I mean late nineties, early two thousands.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
So what were you, like, a small kid, high school teenage.
I was.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I was about like five at the time.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah yeah, so I was about five, always around it,
so he was always talking to me about like stuff
that he was doing because I was curious as a kid,
you know, I was always like I think I had
like a tinker mindset, like I woud always like to
mess with things and everything like that.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And I was at five years old. Yeah, okay, that
was fun. That's that's a let's getting the stuff young man.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
You know, So do you remember it?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
But then I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say, like I went.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I was gonna ask if you remember like any specific
you know, STEM type toys or anything that you played
with the because I know all of us, I want
to say, I think all of us we can attest that. Yeah,
you know, we took our little remote control cars apart
and try to make the motives into a roboty.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to I would say.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
More so like I would destroy toys and then try
to fix it and then try to fix find ways
to fix it, you know what I mean. And then somehow,
some way I always find a way to make it
work again. I don't know how, but I just always
found a way, Like I was always determined, like I
had that type of mindset, like I'm gonna find a
way to fix it.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Definitely definitely can relate with that. That that's a that's
a good start of the time. Do you remember that?
I know Rico probably was about to ask a question,
but do you remember the first system you looked at it?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You remember, what was my first Old West was definitely Windows
ninety five, Windows ninety five. That was like the first
Old West that I ever was around as a kid.
And then it went from Windows ninety five to Windows
ninety eight, Windows two thousand, Windows XP, and so on
and so forth.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You know, I was I was a Microsoft kid basically.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Like how complete disdain for Mac and anything Mac at
the time until I got to high school. So once
I got to high school, that's when you know, I
was a kid. I loved playing video games things that nature.
So I kind of wanted to go toward the video
game development as a kid.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You know, that was kind of like a thing I
wanted to do.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So so, so what did what did you end up
getting into like your first jobs and things like that.
Did you go to college and what did you kind
of move into when you were okay?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And yeah, So once I got to college, I started
off in mechanical engineering. That was the major I started with.
You know, so I was I was doing I was
doing math, calculus, you know, the whole non physics everything.
So here's the thing though, when I was in college,
I kind of had the mindset of, Okay, you know,
(05:19):
I don't want to be stuck with debt.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
For the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Like, so I was really trying to figure out a
way to kind of get around that, you know, So
I started off with community college.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Then the thing about that is now.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I kind of also, this is why I was trying
to go into high school thing because when I was
going through the video when I was trying to do
video games my senior year in high school, I started
doing multimedia. So from there, with multimedia, that's how I
got into the whole video production and editing and things
like that.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
So I kind of fell in love with that too,
you know, and that side of things.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Would you label yourself a geek?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Oh yeah, for sure. One Like I was.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I was always on anything tech, Like, I was always
up to date on tech things like I know that
that was one thing that never escaped me. I was
always looking at the newest graphics cards, you know. I
was always checking out like what new technology was coming
out with, like certain oss and things like that because
I was into video games. So the two kind of
correlated in the sense, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
You have said Van diagram with like the nerd, the geek,
and the third one they had a couple of men
had like, uh yeah, I wish I would I wish
I had it.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Uh yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying to remember what
you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But I just got these different and then like where
they yeah the door right.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yeah, so I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Think it.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Makes sense. Like when you see it, you're like, man,
that's crazy. Yeah, I can see it, right, But yeah
that's cool. Man, that's cool. Like mechanical engineering is that's
a dope pursuit. Like what were you what were you
angling towards with that?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
To be one hundred honest with you, money, I like
my whole goal at the end of the day at
the time was I just wanted to be financially stable.
That was like my whole mindset at the time. And
I knew that I was good at math. I was
good at sciences and physics and things like that, so like, okay.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
The glasses. The glasses is like legit, Like you're not
wearing it for like aesthetics, right, You're trying to look
You're not trying to look smart. You're really smart, right,
You're not doing like what you have this kind of
playing around over there.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
She can't, she can't even know.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
It was perfect, man, watch you down. That's what's up man.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
But here's it.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
But here's the thing, man, when you were running around,
were you like, did you have your little groups and stuff.
You'd be like, oh, check this out. The new such
a sense came out, dude, I can tell you right now,
and I know Rico probably the same way. I'm sure
Ebony if she could that that type of excitement for
technology is definitely the best thing about being a tech man.
(08:20):
I mean that that new technology comes out, that new
thing comes out, you get excited about it. I mean
that enthusiasm is awesome, man, I love.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It like that. Enthusiasm never never left.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So like transitioning now, When I was in college, I
basically started my own production company and things like that,
and I wanted to pursue entrepreneurial work at that point,
to have my own business and try to build from there.
So that was my way of kind of escaping being
stuck with debt. Make my have my own business basically.
(08:53):
So I've been doing that for ever since. So now
I'm looking at things like, okay, with AI and all
of these new technologies that's coming out, maybe I should
try and start learning about these things so that I
can incorporate it into my own production company that I
that I that I.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Currently have, you know, and try and take it.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's a step further and probably you know, use blockchain
technology and things things of that nature. Like I want
to go deep into that realm because of NFTs and
all of that, and like I, once the crypto boom
kind of kicked in, I kind of started wanting to
go more and more into technology at that point because
I'm like, Okay, things are getting interesting, especially with the
(09:33):
idea behind n f t S and things of that nature,
and kind of like you know, basically.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Putting putting the power in your hands.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
When it comes to you know, I don't want to
say monetary game, but more so in the sense of
having control of your assets without without.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So it's crazy because I was literally just about to
ask you that question, because I asked people this question
when we talk about crypto, Is it the monetary part
of cryptocurrency or is it the technology behind the crypto?
It excites you more?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
It was more so the idea behind the technology that
you know with bitcoin, it was more so like a
decentralization of you know, bank, like having a central bank
and things like that, where the transactions. I just felt
like it was this kind of technology will kind of
take the power away from you know, government.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I don't want to say take the takeaway power.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
From governance, because that's we need, that's something we need
in society, you know what I mean, but more so
taking away the control of monetary gain from people. But
I feel like this is a new technology that if
a lot of people got into it early, a big
transfer of wealth can happen in a sense where it's
like less of like you know, one percent while being
(10:55):
up there where everybody can kind of, you know, being honest, everybody.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Can eat, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
And I like the I assume a lot of other
people like the fact that it's a nopal ledger, like
you can you can literally download the blockchain like from
inception and check any transaction, you know, exactly. Yeah, there's
a lot of benefits to uh, decentralized cuurrencies or or whatnot.
(11:23):
But yeah, so you sound like you have a plan,
right You talked about getting into mechanical engineer. That's how
you kind of starting your formal training and then you
started a video production company that you're still that you're
still running with and looking at ways of innovating what
you're doing, and that's dope. So you just recently knocked
(11:49):
out a pretty challenge and certification. You want to tell
us about that?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, So honestly, reco having a conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So a friend of mine introduced me to Rico, and
I was kind of, I want to say, lost, but
I kind of had an idea of what I wanted
to do because I was familiar with Microsoft. So I
was like, Okay, let me get into cloud, you know,
engineering and try to figure that out and you know,
maybe I can implement that into my business somehow someway,
you know what I mean, and figure out the technology
myself and stuff like that, and you know, get a job,
(12:24):
be in the actual field and you know, learn and grow.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
So I was in that period when I spoke to Rico.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Rico was like, Okay, that's good, but don't limit yourself.
There's plenty different ways, Like, there's plenty of different avenues
that you can touch on again and into tech and
you know this one. Linux is seeming like Linux would
be something that you would kind of be interested in
because at the end of the day, on an enterprise level,
(12:54):
red Hat is something that every major company or every
major server is running on, you know. So when he
broke it down to me in that way, I was
kind of like, Okay, this is something that's like universal,
you know, every This is something that everybody, you know,
kind of implements into the daily life and how things
are ran in society, you know what I mean. So
(13:17):
obviously it's important. So once I kind of got that
into my head, I was like, Okay, where do I
start here?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Now?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Like where do I start?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Because I'm to be honest with you, I never looked
at anything Linux. Didn't know what, didn't know anything about it,
didn't know any arguments options. I didn't know anything about
Linux from a grain of like from a grain of salt.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Nothing.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
So Rico told me, Okay, get this book, which is
basically the study guide.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Hold on, let me see it.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
So you guys, Yeah, I don't know if it's gonna
be on video, but this book right here.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, yeas Sanders material is like a one A one
I use. I use his stuff. The past u r
c A eight a few years ago. And yeah, big,
big recommendations on Sander's material.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
He's holding up like it's the grail or something like that.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Like like that though like you once you, once you
climb this mountain, r j c A is no punk
bro foral for real, like and and the thing is
and and just to you know, kind of like touch
on what he was saying when we first met. You know,
(14:44):
it's the benefit of networking, right, because you didn't know
that by knowing this person, even tho y'all grew up together,
you didn't know that that person was going to introduce
you to somebody that could change your trajectory professionally right
in a major way. But it happened, and you expressed
a concern to somebody that was in your network, and
they knew somebody because a connection that already been made, right,
(15:07):
And so you know that connection was made with me
and you. We were chopping it up, having having a
situation where I'm letting you say what you're trying to
get into, which was pretty vague, you know, as it
usually is. And just because I work at red Hat,
that's not the reason why I was like thumping the
drama of red hat and get him in the Linux
(15:28):
because because.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
You never know if he would have met me, been
a whole different conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Well, don't feel like Reggie would have given much different advisement,
you know. But just just back to what I was saying.
I told you linux or networking. I said, unless you're
trying to be like a programmer or something like that,
you know, go with Linux or networking as a foundation.
(15:54):
Because a lot of people they say, I don't want
to get in the cyberg, but I mean if you
learn network you learn ports, protocols, you know, network devices,
a lot of stuff that you will be dealing with
anyways with you know, packet, packet sniffers and things that
are like that. They use their tools. So learning either
one of these because you know Linux, you know all
(16:17):
these security tools, they have a flavor of Linux on
the hood, you know. So and if you go towards cloud.
One of the first things I saw when I was
studying for MYND Towns of years ago was if you
know Linux, it makes it that much easier, right, the
same thing with the containerization, you know. So yeah, I
(16:38):
highly recommend you know Linux or networking if you're trying
to start out. The only reason why I don't say
you know Microsoft upfront is because if you if you
know Linux, you can learn Microsoft. I feel like you
can learn Marcrotsoft.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, that's a pretty broad term it. If you know links,
you can learn micro microft. You know, you know, if
you know, if you know New Jersey, you can learn
a New York. I mean, it's just like it's a
pretty big rod Man.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
We can do it, brother, we can do this. Go down,
you know right? You know, because most people, most Windows admins,
at least at least back in the day, I'm not
sure if it change, they had a fucking fit when
we're forced to use Core. They don't want to use
the command line. They like that goalie, you know. So
(17:34):
I just figured, like, you know, if you if you're
comfortable with command line, it's easier to transition over into
a Windows enterprise and be cool comfortable on command line
because it's basically the same stuff, you know, but you
just got to learn the different syntax.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
So I don't know all the I don't know all
the details, right, so I don't want to misspeak. But
there was a person from red Hat over to Microsoft
many years ago, and he said, like pretty much implement
that same mentality, like we need to start doing command line.
That's why a lot of times and with these are
(18:15):
with all of us is now the initial GUI phase.
The guy gets you a lot of information, but if
you want to get deeper, you have to known the
command lines, whether that be PowerShell, Python, I mean, uh,
there's and every different technology has its own code that
(18:35):
it uses. Information is on the guy. But to get advanced,
advanced product, advanced information, like there's stuff you just can't
get from the googy, we have to do with the
command line. How there it doesn't matter what technology use it.
I mean, like I won't get into it, but like
you know, I help customers out and stuff like that.
It's like the only way you can find out certain
like audit logs and on only through command line. It's
(18:57):
the only way you can do. Yeah, you know because
the information. You know why, because there's so much information
out there. You know, there was a time where there
was very very basic information. But now you can go
so deep into into protocols and so deep into changes
and levers and switches and stuff you can do now.
(19:17):
It's just it's absolutely amazing and then they're adding new
they're adding new things every single day, like uh, and on.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Top of that, on top of that, like you got containers,
which is huge right now in everybody's everybody's interested in
trying to, you know, break down these monolith applications and containers.
Is Linux? That's Linux. I don't catch you're saying, I
don't catch your.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Thing, But but tell me, tell us a little bit
about how you know, you decided to necessarily say, okay,
I'm doing video production, I'm doing this, and then you're like,
well let me just let me throw some red had
in there. All right? How did that? How did you
(20:02):
come to that decision? I know you met rico, but
how did you come to that decision of you know,
going that route.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Basically, I wanted to get into the route of just
getting more so familiar with technology just because I feel
like technology in general, with with how things are moving
in society, it would just be a great asset to
understand in general what's going on, because I feel like
(20:35):
it would do people a lot, like the service of
really not understanding what's going on around them. Technologically speaking,
if people, in my mind, if people were to really
pay attention to the technology. They don't they would really
see how helpful it can be in people's every day,
every day lives. Like even with Elon Munk recently dropping
(20:57):
this this this robot you know.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
That can help people with their day to day chores.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
That can honestly be somebody's home health aid, you know,
if it comes down to it. You know, even with
Neurolink and things like that, nature you know, helping people
cure blindness. And I think recently, I don't know, I'm
not sure what the article was, but I read something
where I think, MIT don't quote me on this. I
think they were using AI technology to kind of come
(21:23):
up with scenarios, to come up to try and find
cures for certain diseases. You know that we can't we
can't simulate these same things, but they have to use
AI in order to you know, create the process.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Somebody check. Go ahead and fact check that, sir, if
you're wrong. If you're wrong, gonna throw eggs at the house.
But go ahead.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Well, I mean, so ultimately, you know, I think kind
of what you're saying is so ultimately, AI is a
learning model, right. It basically learns different patterns that can
recognize the like the regularities and spot them before you know,
human can, right, I mean exactly to that point, right,
(22:09):
So it can. It can, it can spot genomes, it can,
it can look at all kinds of stuff, know what
it is, and then spot and then find those patterns
and and and identify them very very quickly. So the
AI conversation, it really excites me that you're really shipping that.
I mean, so I don't want to turn this into
(22:32):
an AI conversation, but what what are your initial thoughts
on AI? And I want to keep it quick and
short because I don't want to turn this into AI conversation.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Okay, okay, So my initial thoughts on it when it
first came out, I just thought, okay, you know, as
a kid, like you know, I always thought it would
be cool to have something like this, you know, just
being honest, like, I always thought AI would be something
cool like coming down from playing Hey, oh you know Kortana,
the little Master Chiefer was walking around with a little
(23:05):
AI chip in his head and stuff like that, talking
to him and you know, getting feedback and information and
things like that. So once the technology started appearing, I
was like, oh, can I guess on this?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Okay? I was like, oh shit, like like this is
actually happening, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So I kind of got excited from there, like I
was it really just I was actually I was amazed
that that humans actually was actually discovered or was able
to actually create something like this, you know, because I
never thought it would be possible, to be honest with you,
I never thought it would be possible. And seeing how
it is, especially now with I think it's called Sora,
(23:46):
and how you could create four K videos and just
by typing in a prompt and it'll poop out a
four K video basically almost perfect, almost perfect, not one,
but it looks amazing, like it looks like someone like
if I think there was like one scene it was
in space and there was a guy that was coming
out of a spaceship or whatever and landing on the
(24:08):
moon and stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That looks so real. It looked like it looked like a.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Freaking I want to say, like a lions Gate movie
or something, you know what I mean, Like it looks
so professionally done.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I was like amazed. I was, and I'm like AI
is doing this.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
So you know, the exciting part about it is that
AI was actually discovered back in the fifties. It just
took this long for the technology, for the technology to
catch up. They can handle what AI is doing. So yeah,
so it's funny you say that. In the excitement behind it,
I even see the thing where like we don't even
(24:47):
realize it, but these but there's IG people that are
like there is a IG model that has twenty two
million followers. People didn't even know until it got revealed
in the news article one day. Oh wow, yeah, not
a real girl. All these guys out here, it's not
(25:08):
even not even really.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Oh man, that's insane.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I'm like, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I'm not gonna hold you. That's a little scary. Scary,
that's a little scary. But that's the downside of new technologies.
You know, there's always that dark cloud that uh that
always helps new Technology's.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Why that's why it's gonna be important that we figure
out this digital you know encryption. Ye, dig has some
some pretty good it'll be useful and to be useful
in the future with digital certificates and stuff like that
on whatever it turns into. There's there's a huge need
(25:54):
for people to be able to have no repudiation.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Yeah, the only thing we have to work. The only
thing we can rely on now is just ethical AI.
That's it. You know, there's a there's an ethical AI
structure that's in place, and people just have to follow
it until we get to where where talk.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Just so you understand, done, Davis, Neudpudiation is just being
able to certify you are who you are or your
messages came from you without a doubt. Okay, that's some
mo asymmetric encryption in play. But so you got a
lot of thoughts, bro and and like I say, oh,
(26:36):
year that that weather bad over there? That wasn't mhm,
I ain't trying to handle bad weather, but yeah, so
oh I know what it is that ain't that ain't
(26:58):
bad weather? All right, that's we just at that time, right,
so when the show what we do with when we
uh well get into the conversation, you start getting loose,
then we we we set up for the lightning lessons,
all right, lightning lessons. So lightning lessons is pretty simple, right.
(27:23):
All it is is you get how many minutes already?
Just one no pressure, So you got one minute, sixty
seconds to give a class on whatever topic of your choosing.
So we'll give you a little bit to think up something.
When you're ready, just say you're ready, announce your topic,
(27:46):
and then regill start the time.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Okay, I don't know question dang.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Okay, we're gonna have to give you a minute to
choose now too, because.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
There's a reason why we don't.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Exactly so, David, I mean the vise we have to
the spot. That's not the point. The point that's the
whole point of putting you on the spot. That's that's
the whole point of the exercise.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Okay, all right, let's see. Let me think real quick.
Uh LS command.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Okay, I tell me when you ready?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
All right, ready, no, okay.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
So with the Linux there is a command called the
LS command, right, So when you use LS command, you
want to pair that with a directory location, right, and
then when you do that, you'll see was listed under
that directory. LS stands for a list, So usually when
you hear LS, you'll think list and then you know
from there you would understand that it's gonna be listing something.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Now you compare that with the other options.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Let's say LS dash L I mean dash A right, yeah, LS, that's.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
A that was geez fumble, okay, l's that's L. Let's
go down LS. That's l for example.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Now that's gonna list, that's gonna list something. That's all
the items under directory. But you will also see extra
things about that directory so so to speak or you know,
the items under that directory. You'll see things like the permissions.
So you'll see whether a file is.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
You did good so so, and that was good. That
was a good that was a good movie. That good
maneuver you you got. You fumbled. You fumbled the bag
right there on the dash A because I think I
think you were trying to talk about revealing hitting that
hitting objects.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, I was about to go.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
So you FuMB right there. You know, you grasp and
flootter rock. You finally got the rock, got your feet
back under you, you know what I'm saying. And you
did cut you cut over to the dash of alon command.
That's cool, man, that's cool. And and don't don't just
talk like you talk, you know what I'm saying. I
(30:34):
find that it's it's harder for me to like saying
things in a way that I think people expect me
to say, for me to just be myself. It is
so freeing you lose way.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
You know, the crazy, the crazy part about that, it's
like it's trying to it's not even I don't even
think it's that. It's just more so trying to say
it in a way that people would understand, trying to
articulate it.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I thought you thought you was grasping for like some
of the some of the verbiage that you got out
of the book or something like that, because sometimes people
are yeah, but yeah they're good man. Yeah, you're pretty
good at uh present yourself.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah, man, And and you know this show is this
show is you're supposed to be authentic person.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
And with the Lightning Lessons, it's kind of this is
like something that Everny brought to the show, right rich,
But I like I like the Lightning Lessons and having
people put on the spot for presentation. I feel like
presentation skills is just important as tech skills, like being
able to sure, you know, hold an audience and present
(31:38):
something that's gold and bro. I want to do more
than the work groups. So the work groups is, uh,
it was dope.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Man.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
It's my first run you know, doing it outside of
Red Hat. I did a few of them with the
Red Hat. It was like internal, you know, but since
leaving Red Hat. I decided I wanted to keep doing
it and just do it. You know, is a community
a community type you know, situation to help people that's
trying to like get into tech because it's one thing
(32:07):
you got like all these tech superstars that red hat
that's learning more stuff that's making them way more smarter
than the rest of us. It's a different conversation and
bring it down to you know, people in the community
that don't may not even know that, you know, this
is the thing. I don't know how many people that
don't even know, you know, red hat is an actual thing.
(32:28):
You know, they just use all these products that red
has or whatever other you know, variant of.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
That's actually interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
That's actually interesting too because I was talking to a
friend of mine who's he does it and he handles like,
you know, all the the migration from like you know,
from uh active directory to uh you know, the cloud
directory and things of that nature. Like he handles all
of that, And I mentioned red hot to him and
(32:58):
he kind of was just like was that.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Like it seemed like hed never heard of the r
H the r s C Like hm hmm.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Interesting. Yeah, So that's that's interesting that that Yeah, that's shocking.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
But no, like, no, he knows red Hat, but I
don't think he didn't know that red He didn't know
that red Hat had certifications.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
He didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah, So so getting back to just you know, now
that we have this brilliant young mind on the phone,
I mean on the interview, you got certifications. So what's
next for you? My brother?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Continue getting more? Like I really want to continue learning
more about you know. Actually the thing that could I
learned about recently was containers and that kind of you know,
that was interesting to me for the simple fact that
actually I started learning a little bit about answerble too,
and that was that started getting interesting because you know,
the whole playbook and everything like that, and you know,
(33:56):
having a having the main server and then now you're
able to clone whatever like clone and clone like multiple
servers with it and things of that nature, and then
now you can s sh into those servers and do
things and old basically from my understanding, it would transfer
over to all the other services. Whatever you're doing to
one server would you know, happen on all of them.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
So yeah, that was that. That's interesting on rockehead that
when you when you see how easy it is the
provision you know what I'm saying, like doing when you
go from doing these configurations all manually like in the
RC say preparatory step stage, and then you go in yourself, Yeah,
(34:37):
well now I can write a playbook to do all
this stuff that took me hours to do and just boom,
it's done like that.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
That's that's the first thing that popped in my head.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I was like, Yo, all these servers I could I
literally could make a playbook for one server, and then
now I could make multiple servers automatically just from this
one main server. So that I was like, that's how
they do it. Like things started clicking more, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
So with with this new knowledge you got, are you
looking so it's is level se So you have your company,
you're doing production and things like that with this new certification.
Are you looking to make a career move with this
or is it just for like educational purposes? What's your
what's your thoughts on the future for that? I don't
(35:25):
mean the spot but no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
No, no, no, it's it's no, it's for sure because
you know, like at the end of the day, you always
got to think about your future.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
You know what I mean, and where you're headed.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Like some people that are listening to the show, they're
probably going to be high A managers like good Deal
lovel popping.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Look, I'm like I was like listen, like definitely, I
wanted to have, like my whole idea was to have
a career that like I'm proud of for one, a
career that I'm proud of for one, because you know,
at the end of the day, you always want to
feel great about what you do.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Tech was always something that I was interested in, so
that's it's not like I'm not familiar or interested in
the work, you know what I mean. And i'd learned this.
I learned Linux. Well I'm not gonna say learn Linux,
but I basically got my certification within like six months
from zero Linux to getting certified, So.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I definitely am.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I'm not gonna say, do a complete pivot because at
the end of the day, I still want to be
like like have a business and being an entrepreneur, you
know what I mean. But I also want to learn
the tech field, you know. I want to be able
to experience that. That's like something I think would help
me a lot and also understand the tech world in itself,
because yeah, I could be on the outside and learning
(36:46):
all of these things, but there's nothing like actually being
in the field and getting your feet wet.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
So you are looking to move into all your interested
in moving into acalynux AD or some type of role
like that.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah. I think you'll be great, bro, like you've been. Yeah,
whatever whatever capacity you move into in this tech industry,
like you're gonna do great because troubleshooting the different stuff
and you hit me up like, oh, RICO, I don't
know why this thing is working. And then I'm like,
all right, give me a second. I look into it
for you, man, I'm with the kids or whatever I
(37:20):
got going on. Give me like an hour. But it's
like every time almost it's like as soon as I
get ready to log in and say, hey, David, you're
ready to get online, oh I already figured it out.
Dang broal you own it man. Like, So it was
watching you or observing how you kind of like just
(37:43):
had a taste for this thing. You just wanted more
and more, learning more and more, and watching your progression
from not even really able to remember how to query
a directory to now you're like looking at all the
switches and you're going right to the man info pages
to get a deeper understanding to build out more complex configurations.
(38:06):
It's like crazy, and I can't wait to see you, know,
what you do with it, because you'll be a great
person because you're you're you're helping two of the other
guys in the group right now, right so you're kind
of going with them, going with taking your milestones and
your or your lessons learned and showed them how to
better prepare, how to you know, study and go towards
(38:28):
the man pages and ways to use chat GPT with
that right to help you with that's it's gonna be
great man watching you on growing this. Yeah, Reggie on
m on, Reggie.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Sorry about that guy. I put myself on you because
you know, I drink and I swallow something drinking, the
MIC picks up, the MIC picks up everything. So ultimately,
for me, the question I have is that and Ricos
probably told you this, there is so many lanes that
(39:08):
you can go into when you go to Linux. I
mean you can go cyber, you can go programming. I
mean there's like, so what aspect do you like really
like the most. What aspect or what lane do you
like the most about what you just picked up or
what you're learning? Are you you know? And I mean
(39:30):
have you thought about that? Like you thought about Oh
I really like the cybersecurity portion. Oh, I really like
the programming portion. Oh I like the administration all like this,
what aspect of it do you like? Have you found
that you like the most? Right now?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
When I first got into it, I was really into
I like the networking aspect of it.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Networking was interesting to.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Me just because I like I was able to really
understand how land works, Wan works and everything like that.
So that's what I was trying to pivot to. I
thought I was going to pivot towards that, But now,
like as I learned more, I was like, like I said,
(40:15):
containerization and like just learning how to really manage servers
and and really deploy my own servers. Like that's kind
of like how I'm starting to look at it, like
be able to deploy my own servers eventually and kind
of like create my own, you know, network of servers
for to do my own thing if I need it
at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
So containers, is that is that something you're you're probably
gonna try to get a little bit deeper understanding. Yeah, yes, definitely.
Skubernetes and Rachel is trying to pull you over to
the AI. Man want to teacher's co pilot, Hey, I don't,
(41:01):
I don't put my mark on. He learned some stuff
from me, and so he can go ahead and get
in an AI from your ways.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
So like I said, man, it's it's it's just the
good thing is it's it's almost like it's almost like
right now you are an artist, right and you have
and you've you got this clay that you've you've built
and you've procured. Now you can just shape it into
whatever you want to be. And that's the beauty of it. Right,
(41:33):
That's the part too. I think the same reason why
Rico does works with young minds like yourself, same reason
I do, is because this is the exciting part, right,
This is the part where you where you like, you know,
like okay, the growth, the direction, finding out where he
wants to go and helping him get there is definitely
(41:54):
the thing that you know, really invigorates you know, guys
like us to keep doing we do outside of our
day to day nine to five jobs. So I think
that I think that you are a perfect example, and
you are what we need more of an it right,
(42:14):
a young brilliant mind, you know, a young a young
man of color. I won't go into all that, right,
I won't get into the aspect man of color people
that look at you and be like, I wonder what
he does? You know he does he play basketball?
Speaker 1 (42:30):
You?
Speaker 4 (42:31):
No, No, I'm actually a brilliant eye. I have a
brilliant it mind.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Right.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
So it really, it really feels my heart with that,
right because I think one of the things that we
talked about when we started this show was changing the landscape,
changing the way people look at it, right, you know,
bringing the environment together. What we're saying like, okay, everybody
in the world needs to all the kids in the community,
especially the young minority kids need to be like, look,
(42:59):
there's other ways out out of your situation besides you know,
sports or whatever like that. I t is a way
to build generational wealth into to build a family, have
a great life in the future, and stuff like that.
So Ko, kudos to you your flowers. I'm really looking
forward to all the things you do in the future.
Please keep I don't have direct contact with you, Barrico,
(43:22):
does please keep keep us posted, you know, let us
know how you how you progress in the future.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, for sure, for sure I appreciate it. I love
the words, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
It definitely feels my heart because that lets me know that,
you know, I'm not like I'm not. My work isn't
for nothing, you know what I mean. Like, so I
really appreciate that for sure.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
No worries, man, No worries, I said a lot Rico,
go ahead, man, know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Up?
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Man, That's that's I find it. It's yeah, man, like
I say, you can like get everybody figured out with
this thing. That's that's that's four different types of persons,
you know, Man, I might I might be I might
(44:18):
be the game. See that's how I tell people and
call me a nerd man. Not socially enough, just yeah,
I don't think I'm socially just kind of smart and
I'm a bit of asess well, a little less obsessed nowadays.
It used to be bad. I kind of wish I
could kind of like get like halfway from where I'm
at and then where I was when I wasn't eating
(44:41):
right and stuff. I don't want to start eating crap
and start going to the gym because that mm hmmm,
it's not good. Definitely got to take care of your body.
But yeah, man, like I said, I appreciate I really
appreciate the tenacity and in the effort in all little
work you did like helping me, right, because at a
(45:03):
certain point in the program, I kind of like started
getting overwhelmed, you know, I had, like, you know, some
issues like going to funerals and dealing with like a
lot of like personal stuff right on top of all
the stuff that I volunteer with. And I was like, David,
you know, can you facilitate the work group means? And
(45:27):
He's like, oh yeah, yeah, I gotta got it. It
was doing it, you know what I'm saying. You picked
it up without hesitation. And that's a lot of the
stuff that you know, my mentor that I picked up
at Red Hat that I still speak to on a
weekly basis. And he's like, yeah, man, you volunteer everything.
You just like helping people, you know, kind of take
(45:48):
it easy, give yourself some time. So I kind of
see a lot of myself in you. How you just
vigorously go to help other people, especially the way you
helped me with that situation because I definitely needed that.
I needed that breathe it. But congratulations again, man, this
(46:08):
is a it's a big one. Like if anybody out
there is listen, if you don't know what the RTSA is,
Red System Administrator, it's a huge example. What was three hours?
Four hours long?
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah? Three hours about like twenty two questions.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Three hours long, a handful of questions, but they take
some time. Three hours is not enough time.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, it's definitely you would think three hours is enough time.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
But when you're really going through it and doing all
the exercises and answering all the questions and things like
that and double checking and making sure everything is good,
three hours goes by like like that struggling.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Like one time please like like be like old boy on.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
What's that.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
He's a singer, just tim like movie, it was out
of time, out of time.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
I'm trying to. I'm trying to. I'm trying to connect
it right now. Brother, if we're talking.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Abou trying to rereach your mom and stuff like that,
and I got this last task and not enough time. Bro.
Yeah but yeah, man, four hundred dollars exam three hours,
but very worth it right. It's a significant amount of challenge,
and it also left you since it's a practical application exam,
(47:32):
it left you with the aero confidence because you know
what you're doing. It's not like all theoretical where oh,
you know this is the configuration. I've never really done it.
You've done it hundreds of times, you know. So you're
equip with a pretty powerful certification they have in your
name that gets people of interest. And then you also
(47:52):
have the confidence and the ability to answer questions and
speak to any any any opinions you may have about
the operating system and how to connect it with other
systems or secure it or otherwise. Right, so your your
troubleshooting is like its own point for entry admin. You
(48:16):
definitely will equipped. And I have no doubt in my
mind that somebody's gonna pick you up like real fast
and you're gonna fly through. You're gonna be a great mentor.
That's another thing we usually go at linked with. Have
you had any other mentorship, you know outside of our
situation that's kind of helped you along the way. Given
(48:37):
in the production.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Stuff I had, I had I had one guy because
doing on the production type of things, I was doing
with like a lot of music videos and events and
things like that.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
And actually this guy passed away.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Actually he actually was the guy that introduced me to
like the VP of Death Jem at one point in
my career, you know, And there was one thing he
said to me was just like, you know, whatever you do,
don't stop, just keep going. It doesn't matter how like,
(49:12):
it doesn't matter what it is, don't stop because as
long as you keep going and you don't stop or
you don't quit, you never know what could happen in
your life.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
So just keep going. Like and I'm honestly that message
stuck with me ever since.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Like I never look at things in life like as
me you know, failing or or like a fuck up
or anything like that. It's just a setback, that's all
it is, you know what I mean. I never look
at I never look at anything.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
As a failure. It's just a setback, a learning lesson,
and then from there you know what to do moving forward.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
How do you process failures, Reggie, you kind of like
do the same thing, just kind of like let it
roll off, or you take a minute crowd of yourself.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Absolutely, I mean so comple experience. Absolutely not I I
lose sleep for three or four days, I'm punching pillows.
I'm not gonna sit there act like, oh man, that's
not a big deal. Yeah, it takes a couple a
big failure. It takes a couple of days to get
over it. But you know, eventually you look back and
(50:16):
it's it's you know, it's one of those things you
just you learn from like nah, I mean a lot
of people say that, like, oh, just let it roll off,
it's no big deal. They look or I'm I'm not
saying I'm not that, and it's okay. If that's how
you process failure. You just can't let it stagn it
Like one of the things I you know, I learned
this from a TV show. Right, You just got to
(50:38):
let yourself be in it for a day or two,
get it all out, and then move forward, as opposed
to like holding it back and suppressing it. And then
it just got like, you know, it kind of like
it's there down on the right, underneath the surface and
it's actually causing you problems you don't even realize, you know,
like why am I so uptight.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
All the time? You know?
Speaker 4 (50:58):
So so just let it out, you know, you know
you the seven seven seven steps, agree for whatever.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
I don't know how many times I've had that asks
to me as an envy question. Thank for a job?
How do you process failure?
Speaker 4 (51:19):
Man?
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Without fail bro? How you how do you deal with
failure challenges? How do you deal with personality conflicts? I
guess on the team with a customer like this, this
stuff is like you gotta I think I think.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
I got that down down pack.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Because you know, being like doing entrepreneur work and stuff
like that, you you kind of have to learn how
to speak to people in a sense.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
You know, you got to have to have those social cues.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
You gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta be able
to see things from other people's perspective also.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Not just yours.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
You know, you learn how to deal with failure pretty well,
That's that's how you get that stick skin you got. Yeah,
entrepreneurship man, brough Bro. Entrepreneurship and being in sales man
for thee Yeah, not for the week.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
That's definitely true. There's nothing. You got to hear a
lot of notes.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Do you have anything in last remarks you want to
leave with the people that's listening with regarding anything we
talked about any kind of like gim you feel like
it would be the best thing for a person here
if they're kind of on the fence where you kind
of were at one point, or if they're going through
a struggle that that you went through several you know
(52:40):
in this progression.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Let us know, let us know.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
I wanted to I wanted to say something thought provoking,
but I would definitely say, you know, even though you
know there might be a lot of hardship and things
that you're going through in life, or you know you
feel like you you're stuck or you don't know what
to do, there's always information out there.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
That's one you just gotta be willing to look for
it too. If you're trying to work hard towards something, just.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
Know that it's not going to be easy, and there
might be a lot of sleepless nights, but at the
end of the day, it's going to be worth it.
You always got to look at the end goal, the
end you got. You always got to have the motivation
to look at the end goal, because the end goal
is what's going to motivate you and keep you disciplined.
If you don't have an end goal, you're not gonna
You're not gonna work towards anything. So once you have
(53:41):
that end goal and an idea of what you want
to do, just work towards that and be relentless about it.
Don't care what anybody else tells you, like because half
the time people don't know what they want themselves.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
So as long as you know what you want, work
towards that.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
Man, you know what, you know what comes up if
you put relentless dot com? Yeah youuroyl as your euro
Guess guess what company comes up?
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Well, let's I don't even want to know. I think
Amazon bro.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Like he got that. I think he got that dumb
in like a long time ago. Yeah, when I was
going through my MB, I did a I forgot when
paper was on, but it was a couple of those
big companies, and that was some random fact that I
ran an I put it in. Oh man, it's true. Yeah,
I think I think, I think I think it readirects Amazon.
(54:37):
But I appreciate you. I appreciate you sharing those gems. Brother, Red,
Do you want to leave the people with any kind
of thoughts reflecting anything we talked about? Uh?
Speaker 4 (54:51):
I honestly think a lot of the things that I
want to leave people with is I kind of said already,
but you know, it feels my heart see a great
young ma uh get into the field, and I look
forward to all the things you're going to accomplish in
the future. And I hope that your story in this
conversation has inspired other people like you to do the same.
Speaker 3 (55:13):
And I personally hope and I know for I know
that you're going to pay it forward. I know you're
going to bring some people up. I know you're going
to be on the other side of the mentorship coaching fence,
and you're gonna make sure tremendous impact in whatever organization
you you move into. Because I had heard a coach
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say this on it's Instagram real he was talking about
it might have been a coach or a recruiter for
you know, college football, but it was like some kids,
some kids are hungry. Some kids just want to eat.
And I can definitely say, man, you're not hungry. I mean,
well you are hungry. You don't You don't just want
to eat, you know what I mean? You you actually
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want this, like in the worst ways, and that's that's exciting,
Like you make me want to go and put more
work in, bro. Like'sn't nothing like because like you know,
I mean Reggie, you you know, like you get to
a certain point in your career and you kind of
like start coasting.
Speaker 4 (56:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
Sometimes you just kind of like riding it out, you know,
going through the motion. But then you see something like
young young kid going there, like man, that kind of
made me remember when I was like trying to like
push my way up the mountain, you know what I'm saying,
trying to climb. Yeah, it's it's definitely refreshing, and I'm
definitely grateful to have you with the Word group.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
So I can't thank you.
Speaker 4 (56:35):
Awesome songs.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Hm.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
I thought it was just me crap Internet. Now we're
making it through. We just got powered back, so I.
Speaker 4 (57:14):
Nearly got power.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
Like today like today, I think I think.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yesterday yesterday morning.
Speaker 3 (57:30):
Yeah, got back from Georgia Friday, all game like I
was like turning into my my street and then the
sudden lights coming on. So yeah, a lot of people
still though.
Speaker 4 (57:46):
Yeah, and then uh, Frontier just send me a message
to day saying like hey we've seen another interruption. We'll
get it clicks.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
So yeah, so m welcome back to the one. It's
the cloth we got you out, one of the hosts,
and then we also have Reggie Abony. I want to
say I love it.
Speaker 4 (58:10):
I usually let ladies go first, but is freezing about.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Well yeah, because it's a delay every time you say something. Anyway, Hi,
I'm Ebony.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
So and the ave just kicked her out, So that's
what you're getting on top crapha ap. She'll sneak back then.
But ladiens, you know we're joined with David Thomason and
uh man, excuse me, brother, get me ready that you're
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right man the Black Friends man, where is that from?
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Well, both my parents are so I'm assuming I'm assuming
that you know the name is has French organs and.
Speaker 3 (59:03):
Things of that us make sense one days, Glad letting
introduce yourself and Glad jell right to it.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
H m hm
Yeah. So honestly, Rico having a conversation.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
So a friend of mine introduced me to Rico, and
I was kind of, I want to say, lost, but
I kind of had an idea of what I wanted
to do because I was familiar with Microsoft. So I
was like, Okay, let me get into cloud, you know, engineering,
and try to figure that out and you know, maybe
I can implement that into my business somehow someway, you
know what I mean, and figure out the technology myself
and stuff like that, and you know, get a job,
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be in the actual field and you know, learn and grow.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
So I was in that period when I spoke to Rico.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Rico was like, Okay, that's good, but don't limit yourself.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I can't take no loss. I don't even know what.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
They hit the ground in and go off chance, hit
the ground in and go off chance.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I can't take no loss. Chill, I don't even know
what hit the ground in and go all right, everybody.
My name is David Donalson. I'm currently a r C
R h C S A, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Certified man. Now you know, I'm basically from New Jersey.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
My tech background basically I would started people in Jersey
basic that that.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Who We're not basic.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Let's not have people from Jersey.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
That smoke. I just won't understand.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Jersey got a lot of smoking, all.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Right, I'm apolo jazzed, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
No, no, it's all good. It's all good, no foul.
So I'm from the Jersey. I grew up, you know,
pretty average.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I wouldn't say I was, you know, dirt poor or
anything of that nature, but you know, I always had
grew up a family, So I would say my tech
background kind of started from there because my older cousin,
from what I knew from when I was little, he
was doing computer engineering at the local community college. Yeah yeah, yeah,
(02:17):
so he was doing computer engineering and from there, like
I was always around him, like from a young age,
always saw him tinkering with computers at the time and
things like that. So this was like their early two thousands,
early nineties, I mean late nineties, early two thousands.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
So what were you, like, a small kid, high school teenage.
I was.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I was about like five at the time.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah yeah, so I was about five, always around it,
so he was always talking to me about like stuff
that he was doing because I was curious as a kid,
you know, I was always like I think I had
like a tinker mindset, like I woud always like to
mess with things and everything like that.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
And I was at five years old. Yeah, okay, that
was fun. That's that's a let's getting the stuff young man.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
You know, So do you remember it?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
But then I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say, like I went.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I was gonna ask if you remember like any specific
you know, STEM type toys or anything that you played
with the because I know all of us, I want
to say, I think all of us we can attest that. Yeah,
you know, we took our little remote control cars apart
and try to make the motives into a roboty.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to I would say.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
More so like I would destroy toys and then try
to fix it and then try to fix find ways
to fix it, you know what I mean. And then somehow,
some way I always find a way to make it
work again. I don't know how, but I just always
found a way, Like I was always determined, like I
had that type of mindset, like I'm gonna find a
way to fix it.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Definitely definitely can relate with that. That that's a that's
a good start of the time. Do you remember that?
I know Rico probably was about to ask a question,
but do you remember the first system you looked at it?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
You remember, what was my first Old West was definitely Windows
ninety five, Windows ninety five. That was like the first
Old West that I ever was around as a kid.
And then it went from Windows ninety five to Windows
ninety eight, Windows two thousand, Windows XP, and so on
and so forth.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You know, I was I was a Microsoft kid basically.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Like how complete disdain for Mac and anything Mac at
the time until I got to high school. So once
I got to high school, that's when you know, I
was a kid. I loved playing video games things that nature.
So I kind of wanted to go toward the video
game development as a kid.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
You know, that was kind of like a thing I
wanted to do.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So so, so what did what did you end up
getting into like your first jobs and things like that.
Did you go to college and what did you kind
of move into when you were okay?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And yeah, So once I got to college, I started
off in mechanical engineering. That was the major I started with.
You know, so I was I was doing I was
doing math, calculus, you know, the whole non physics everything.
So here's the thing though, when I was in college,
I kind of had the mindset of, Okay, you know,
(05:19):
I don't want to be stuck with debt.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
For the rest of my life.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Like, so I was really trying to figure out a
way to kind of get around that, you know, So
I started off with community college.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Then the thing about that is now.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I kind of also, this is why I was trying
to go into high school thing because when I was
going through the video when I was trying to do
video games my senior year in high school, I started
doing multimedia. So from there, with multimedia, that's how I
got into the whole video production and editing and things
like that.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
So I kind of fell in love with that too,
you know, and that side of things.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Would you label yourself a geek?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Oh yeah, for sure. One Like I was.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I was always on anything tech, Like, I was always
up to date on tech things like I know that
that was one thing that never escaped me. I was
always looking at the newest graphics cards, you know. I
was always checking out like what new technology was coming
out with, like certain oss and things like that because
I was into video games. So the two kind of
correlated in the sense, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
You have said Van diagram with like the nerd, the geek,
and the third one they had a couple of men
had like, uh yeah, I wish I would I wish
I had it.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Uh yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying to remember what
you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But I just got these different and then like where
they yeah the door right.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yeah, so I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Think it.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Makes sense. Like when you see it, you're like, man,
that's crazy. Yeah, I can see it, right, But yeah
that's cool. Man, that's cool. Like mechanical engineering is that's
a dope pursuit. Like what were you what were you
angling towards with that?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
To be one hundred honest with you, money, I like
my whole goal at the end of the day at
the time was I just wanted to be financially stable.
That was like my whole mindset at the time. And
I knew that I was good at math. I was
good at sciences and physics and things like that, so like, okay.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
The glasses. The glasses is like legit, Like you're not
wearing it for like aesthetics, right, You're trying to look
You're not trying to look smart. You're really smart, right,
You're not doing like what you have this kind of
playing around over there.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
She can't, she can't even know.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
It was perfect, man, watch you down. That's what's up man.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
But here's it.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
But here's the thing, man, when you were running around,
were you like, did you have your little groups and stuff.
You'd be like, oh, check this out. The new such
a sense came out, dude, I can tell you right now,
and I know Rico probably the same way. I'm sure
Ebony if she could that that type of excitement for
technology is definitely the best thing about being a tech man.
(08:20):
I mean that that new technology comes out, that new
thing comes out, you get excited about it. I mean
that enthusiasm is awesome, man, I love.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
It like that. Enthusiasm never never left.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So like transitioning now, When I was in college, I
basically started my own production company and things like that,
and I wanted to pursue entrepreneurial work at that point,
to have my own business and try to build from there.
So that was my way of kind of escaping being
stuck with debt. Make my have my own business basically.
(08:53):
So I've been doing that for ever since. So now
I'm looking at things like, okay, with AI and all
of these new technologies that's coming out, maybe I should
try and start learning about these things so that I
can incorporate it into my own production company that I
that I that I.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Currently have, you know, and try and take it.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
It's a step further and probably you know, use blockchain
technology and things things of that nature. Like I want
to go deep into that realm because of NFTs and
all of that, and like I, once the crypto boom
kind of kicked in, I kind of started wanting to
go more and more into technology at that point because
I'm like, Okay, things are getting interesting, especially with the
(09:33):
idea behind n f t S and things of that nature,
and kind of like you know, basically.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Putting putting the power in your hands.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
When it comes to you know, I don't want to
say monetary game, but more so in the sense of
having control of your assets without without.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
So it's crazy because I was literally just about to
ask you that question, because I asked people this question
when we talk about crypto, Is it the monetary part
of cryptocurrency or is it the technology behind the crypto?
It excites you more?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
It was more so the idea behind the technology that
you know with bitcoin, it was more so like a
decentralization of you know, bank, like having a central bank
and things like that, where the transactions. I just felt
like it was this kind of technology will kind of
take the power away from you know, government.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I don't want to say take the takeaway power.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
From governance, because that's we need, that's something we need
in society, you know what I mean, but more so
taking away the control of monetary gain from people. But
I feel like this is a new technology that if
a lot of people got into it early, a big
transfer of wealth can happen in a sense where it's
like less of like you know, one percent while being
(10:55):
up there where everybody can kind of, you know, being honest, everybody.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Can eat, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
And I like the I assume a lot of other
people like the fact that it's a nopal ledger, like
you can you can literally download the blockchain like from
inception and check any transaction, you know, exactly. Yeah, there's
a lot of benefits to uh, decentralized cuurrencies or or whatnot.
(11:23):
But yeah, so you sound like you have a plan,
right You talked about getting into mechanical engineer. That's how
you kind of starting your formal training and then you
started a video production company that you're still that you're
still running with and looking at ways of innovating what
you're doing, and that's dope. So you just recently knocked
(11:49):
out a pretty challenge and certification. You want to tell
us about that?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, So honestly, reco having a conversation.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
So a friend of mine introduced me to Rico, and
I was kind of, I want to say, lost, but
I kind of had an idea of what I wanted
to do because I was familiar with Microsoft. So I
was like, Okay, let me get into cloud, you know,
engineering and try to figure that out and you know,
maybe I can implement that into my business somehow someway,
you know what I mean, and figure out the technology
myself and stuff like that, and you know, get a job,
(12:24):
be in the actual field and you know, learn and grow.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
So I was in that period when I spoke to Rico.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Rico was like, Okay, that's good, but don't limit yourself.
There's plenty different ways, Like, there's plenty of different avenues
that you can touch on again and into tech and
you know this one. Linux is seeming like Linux would
be something that you would kind of be interested in
because at the end of the day, on an enterprise level,
(12:54):
red Hat is something that every major company or every
major server is running on, you know. So when he
broke it down to me in that way, I was
kind of like, Okay, this is something that's like universal,
you know, every This is something that everybody, you know,
kind of implements into the daily life and how things
are ran in society, you know what I mean. So
(13:17):
obviously it's important. So once I kind of got that
into my head, I was like, Okay, where do I
start here?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Now?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Like where do I start?
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Because I'm to be honest with you, I never looked
at anything Linux. Didn't know what, didn't know anything about it,
didn't know any arguments options. I didn't know anything about
Linux from a grain of like from a grain of salt.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Nothing.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
So Rico told me, Okay, get this book, which is
basically the study guide.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Hold on, let me see it.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
So you guys, Yeah, I don't know if it's gonna
be on video, but this book right here.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Yeah, yeas Sanders material is like a one A one
I use. I use his stuff. The past u r
c A eight a few years ago. And yeah, big,
big recommendations on Sander's material.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
He's holding up like it's the grail or something like that.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Like like that though like you once you, once you
climb this mountain, r j c A is no punk
bro foral for real, like and and the thing is
and and just to you know, kind of like touch
on what he was saying when we first met. You know,
(14:44):
it's the benefit of networking, right, because you didn't know
that by knowing this person, even tho y'all grew up together,
you didn't know that that person was going to introduce
you to somebody that could change your trajectory professionally right
in a major way. But it happened, and you expressed
a concern to somebody that was in your network, and
they knew somebody because a connection that already been made, right,
(15:07):
And so you know that connection was made with me
and you. We were chopping it up, having having a
situation where I'm letting you say what you're trying to
get into, which was pretty vague, you know, as it
usually is. And just because I work at red Hat,
that's not the reason why I was like thumping the
drama of red hat and get him in the Linux
(15:28):
because because.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
You never know if he would have met me, been
a whole different conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Well, don't feel like Reggie would have given much different advisement,
you know. But just just back to what I was saying.
I told you linux or networking. I said, unless you're
trying to be like a programmer or something like that,
you know, go with Linux or networking as a foundation.
(15:54):
Because a lot of people they say, I don't want
to get in the cyberg, but I mean if you
learn network you learn ports, protocols, you know, network devices,
a lot of stuff that you will be dealing with
anyways with you know, packet, packet sniffers and things that
are like that. They use their tools. So learning either
one of these because you know Linux, you know all
(16:17):
these security tools, they have a flavor of Linux on
the hood, you know. So and if you go towards cloud.
One of the first things I saw when I was
studying for MYND Towns of years ago was if you
know Linux, it makes it that much easier, right, the
same thing with the containerization, you know. So yeah, I
(16:38):
highly recommend you know Linux or networking if you're trying
to start out. The only reason why I don't say
you know Microsoft upfront is because if you if you
know Linux, you can learn Microsoft. I feel like you
can learn Marcrotsoft.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Yeah, that's a pretty broad term it. If you know links,
you can learn micro microft. You know, you know, if
you know, if you know New Jersey, you can learn
a New York. I mean, it's just like it's a
pretty big rod Man.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
We can do it, brother, we can do this. Go down,
you know right? You know, because most people, most Windows admins,
at least at least back in the day, I'm not
sure if it change, they had a fucking fit when
we're forced to use Core. They don't want to use
the command line. They like that goalie, you know. So
(17:34):
I just figured, like, you know, if you if you're
comfortable with command line, it's easier to transition over into
a Windows enterprise and be cool comfortable on command line
because it's basically the same stuff, you know, but you
just got to learn the different syntax.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
So I don't know all the I don't know all
the details, right, so I don't want to misspeak. But
there was a person from red Hat over to Microsoft
many years ago, and he said, like pretty much implement
that same mentality, like we need to start doing command line.
That's why a lot of times and with these are
(18:15):
with all of us is now the initial GUI phase.
The guy gets you a lot of information, but if
you want to get deeper, you have to known the
command lines, whether that be PowerShell, Python, I mean, uh,
there's and every different technology has its own code that
(18:35):
it uses. Information is on the guy. But to get advanced,
advanced product, advanced information, like there's stuff you just can't
get from the googy, we have to do with the
command line. How there it doesn't matter what technology use it.
I mean, like I won't get into it, but like
you know, I help customers out and stuff like that.
It's like the only way you can find out certain
like audit logs and on only through command line. It's
(18:57):
the only way you can do. Yeah, you know because
the information. You know why, because there's so much information
out there. You know, there was a time where there
was very very basic information. But now you can go
so deep into into protocols and so deep into changes
and levers and switches and stuff you can do now.
(19:17):
It's just it's absolutely amazing and then they're adding new
they're adding new things every single day, like uh, and on.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Top of that, on top of that, like you got containers,
which is huge right now in everybody's everybody's interested in
trying to, you know, break down these monolith applications and containers.
Is Linux? That's Linux. I don't catch you're saying, I
don't catch your.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Thing, But but tell me, tell us a little bit
about how you know, you decided to necessarily say, okay,
I'm doing video production, I'm doing this, and then you're like,
well let me just let me throw some red had
in there. All right? How did that? How did you
(20:02):
come to that decision? I know you met rico, but
how did you come to that decision of you know,
going that route.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Basically, I wanted to get into the route of just
getting more so familiar with technology just because I feel
like technology in general, with with how things are moving
in society, it would just be a great asset to
understand in general what's going on, because I feel like
(20:35):
it would do people a lot, like the service of
really not understanding what's going on around them. Technologically speaking,
if people, in my mind, if people were to really
pay attention to the technology. They don't they would really
see how helpful it can be in people's every day,
every day lives. Like even with Elon Munk recently dropping
(20:57):
this this this robot you know.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
That can help people with their day to day chores.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
That can honestly be somebody's home health aid, you know,
if it comes down to it. You know, even with
Neurolink and things like that, nature you know, helping people
cure blindness. And I think recently, I don't know, I'm
not sure what the article was, but I read something
where I think, MIT don't quote me on this. I
think they were using AI technology to kind of come
(21:23):
up with scenarios, to come up to try and find
cures for certain diseases. You know that we can't we
can't simulate these same things, but they have to use
AI in order to you know, create the process.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Somebody check. Go ahead and fact check that, sir, if
you're wrong. If you're wrong, gonna throw eggs at the house.
But go ahead.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Well, I mean, so ultimately, you know, I think kind
of what you're saying is so ultimately, AI is a
learning model, right. It basically learns different patterns that can
recognize the like the regularities and spot them before you know,
human can, right, I mean exactly to that point, right,
(22:09):
So it can. It can, it can spot genomes, it can,
it can look at all kinds of stuff, know what
it is, and then spot and then find those patterns
and and and identify them very very quickly. So the
AI conversation, it really excites me that you're really shipping that.
I mean, so I don't want to turn this into
(22:32):
an AI conversation, but what what are your initial thoughts
on AI? And I want to keep it quick and
short because I don't want to turn this into AI conversation.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Okay, okay, So my initial thoughts on it when it
first came out, I just thought, okay, you know, as
a kid, like you know, I always thought it would
be cool to have something like this, you know, just
being honest, like, I always thought AI would be something
cool like coming down from playing Hey, oh you know Kortana,
the little Master Chiefer was walking around with a little
(23:05):
AI chip in his head and stuff like that, talking
to him and you know, getting feedback and information and
things like that. So once the technology started appearing, I
was like, oh, can I guess on this?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Okay? I was like, oh shit, like like this is
actually happening, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
So I kind of got excited from there, like I
was it really just I was actually I was amazed
that that humans actually was actually discovered or was able
to actually create something like this, you know, because I
never thought it would be possible, to be honest with you,
I never thought it would be possible. And seeing how
it is, especially now with I think it's called Sora,
(23:46):
and how you could create four K videos and just
by typing in a prompt and it'll poop out a
four K video basically almost perfect, almost perfect, not one,
but it looks amazing, like it looks like someone like
if I think there was like one scene it was
in space and there was a guy that was coming
out of a spaceship or whatever and landing on the
(24:08):
moon and stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That looks so real. It looked like it looked like a.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Freaking I want to say, like a lions Gate movie
or something, you know what I mean, Like it looks
so professionally done.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I was like amazed. I was, and I'm like AI
is doing this.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
So you know, the exciting part about it is that
AI was actually discovered back in the fifties. It just
took this long for the technology, for the technology to
catch up. They can handle what AI is doing. So yeah,
so it's funny you say that. In the excitement behind it,
I even see the thing where like we don't even
(24:47):
realize it, but these but there's IG people that are
like there is a IG model that has twenty two
million followers. People didn't even know until it got revealed
in the news article one day. Oh wow, yeah, not
a real girl. All these guys out here, it's not
(25:08):
even not even really.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Oh man, that's insane.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
I'm like, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I'm not gonna hold you. That's a little scary. Scary,
that's a little scary. But that's the downside of new technologies.
You know, there's always that dark cloud that uh that
always helps new Technology's.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Why that's why it's gonna be important that we figure
out this digital you know encryption. Ye, dig has some
some pretty good it'll be useful and to be useful
in the future with digital certificates and stuff like that
on whatever it turns into. There's there's a huge need
(25:54):
for people to be able to have no repudiation.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
Yeah, the only thing we have to work. The only
thing we can rely on now is just ethical AI.
That's it. You know, there's a there's an ethical AI
structure that's in place, and people just have to follow
it until we get to where where talk.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Just so you understand, done, Davis, Neudpudiation is just being
able to certify you are who you are or your
messages came from you without a doubt. Okay, that's some
mo asymmetric encryption in play. But so you got a
lot of thoughts, bro and and like I say, oh,
(26:36):
year that that weather bad over there? That wasn't mhm,
I ain't trying to handle bad weather, but yeah, so
oh I know what it is that ain't that ain't
(26:58):
bad weather? All right, that's we just at that time, right,
so when the show what we do with when we
uh well get into the conversation, you start getting loose,
then we we we set up for the lightning lessons,
all right, lightning lessons. So lightning lessons is pretty simple, right.
(27:23):
All it is is you get how many minutes already?
Just one no pressure, So you got one minute, sixty
seconds to give a class on whatever topic of your choosing.
So we'll give you a little bit to think up something.
When you're ready, just say you're ready, announce your topic,
(27:46):
and then regill start the time.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Okay, I don't know question dang.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Okay, we're gonna have to give you a minute to
choose now too, because.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
There's a reason why we don't.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Exactly so, David, I mean the vise we have to
the spot. That's not the point. The point that's the
whole point of putting you on the spot. That's that's
the whole point of the exercise.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Okay, all right, let's see. Let me think real quick.
Uh LS command.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Okay, I tell me when you ready?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
All right, ready, no, okay.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
So with the Linux there is a command called the
LS command, right, So when you use LS command, you
want to pair that with a directory location, right, and
then when you do that, you'll see was listed under
that directory. LS stands for a list, So usually when
you hear LS, you'll think list and then you know
from there you would understand that it's gonna be listing something.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Now you compare that with the other options.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Let's say LS dash L I mean dash A right, yeah, LS, that's.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
A that was geez fumble, okay, l's that's L. Let's
go down LS. That's l for example.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Now that's gonna list, that's gonna list something. That's all
the items under directory. But you will also see extra
things about that directory so so to speak or you know,
the items under that directory. You'll see things like the permissions.
So you'll see whether a file is.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
You did good so so, and that was good. That
was a good that was a good movie. That good
maneuver you you got. You fumbled. You fumbled the bag
right there on the dash A because I think I
think you were trying to talk about revealing hitting that
hitting objects.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, I was about to go.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
So you FuMB right there. You know, you grasp and
flootter rock. You finally got the rock, got your feet
back under you, you know what I'm saying. And you
did cut you cut over to the dash of alon command.
That's cool, man, that's cool. And and don't don't just
talk like you talk, you know what I'm saying. I
(30:34):
find that it's it's harder for me to like saying
things in a way that I think people expect me
to say, for me to just be myself. It is
so freeing you lose way.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
You know, the crazy, the crazy part about that, it's
like it's trying to it's not even I don't even
think it's that. It's just more so trying to say
it in a way that people would understand, trying to
articulate it.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I thought you thought you was grasping for like some
of the some of the verbiage that you got out
of the book or something like that, because sometimes people
are yeah, but yeah they're good man. Yeah, you're pretty
good at uh present yourself.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Yeah, man, And and you know this show is this
show is you're supposed to be authentic person.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
And with the Lightning Lessons, it's kind of this is
like something that Everny brought to the show, right rich,
But I like I like the Lightning Lessons and having
people put on the spot for presentation. I feel like
presentation skills is just important as tech skills, like being
able to sure, you know, hold an audience and present
(31:38):
something that's gold and bro. I want to do more
than the work groups. So the work groups is, uh,
it was dope.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Man.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
It's my first run you know, doing it outside of
Red Hat. I did a few of them with the
Red Hat. It was like internal, you know, but since
leaving Red Hat. I decided I wanted to keep doing
it and just do it. You know, is a community
a community type you know, situation to help people that's
trying to like get into tech because it's one thing
(32:07):
you got like all these tech superstars that red hat
that's learning more stuff that's making them way more smarter
than the rest of us. It's a different conversation and
bring it down to you know, people in the community
that don't may not even know that, you know, this
is the thing. I don't know how many people that
don't even know, you know, red hat is an actual thing.
(32:28):
You know, they just use all these products that red
has or whatever other you know, variant of.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
That's actually interesting.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
That's actually interesting too because I was talking to a
friend of mine who's he does it and he handles like,
you know, all the the migration from like you know,
from uh active directory to uh you know, the cloud
directory and things of that nature. Like he handles all
of that, And I mentioned red hot to him and
(32:58):
he kind of was just like was that.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Like it seemed like hed never heard of the r
H the r s C Like hm hmm.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Interesting. Yeah, So that's that's interesting that that Yeah, that's shocking.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
But no, like, no, he knows red Hat, but I
don't think he didn't know that red He didn't know
that red Hat had certifications.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
He didn't.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yeah, So so getting back to just you know, now
that we have this brilliant young mind on the phone,
I mean on the interview, you got certifications. So what's
next for you? My brother?
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Continue getting more? Like I really want to continue learning
more about you know. Actually the thing that could I
learned about recently was containers and that kind of you know,
that was interesting to me for the simple fact that
actually I started learning a little bit about answerble too,
and that was that started getting interesting because you know,
the whole playbook and everything like that, and you know,
(33:56):
having a having the main server and then now you're
able to clone whatever like clone and clone like multiple
servers with it and things of that nature, and then
now you can s sh into those servers and do
things and old basically from my understanding, it would transfer
over to all the other services. Whatever you're doing to
one server would you know, happen on all of them.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
So yeah, that was that. That's interesting on rockehead that
when you when you see how easy it is the
provision you know what I'm saying, like doing when you
go from doing these configurations all manually like in the
RC say preparatory step stage, and then you go in yourself, Yeah,
(34:37):
well now I can write a playbook to do all
this stuff that took me hours to do and just boom,
it's done like that.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
That's that's the first thing that popped in my head.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I was like, Yo, all these servers I could I
literally could make a playbook for one server, and then
now I could make multiple servers automatically just from this
one main server. So that I was like, that's how
they do it. Like things started clicking more, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
So with with this new knowledge you got, are you
looking so it's is level se So you have your company,
you're doing production and things like that with this new certification.
Are you looking to make a career move with this
or is it just for like educational purposes? What's your
what's your thoughts on the future for that? I don't
(35:25):
mean the spot but no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
No, no, no, it's it's no, it's for sure because
you know, like at the end of the day, you always
got to think about your future.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
You know what I mean, and where you're headed.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Like some people that are listening to the show, they're
probably going to be high A managers like good Deal
lovel popping.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Look, I'm like I was like listen, like definitely, I
wanted to have, like my whole idea was to have
a career that like I'm proud of for one, a
career that I'm proud of for one, because you know,
at the end of the day, you always want to
feel great about what you do.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Tech was always something that I was interested in, so
that's it's not like I'm not familiar or interested in
the work, you know what I mean. And i'd learned this.
I learned Linux. Well I'm not gonna say learn Linux,
but I basically got my certification within like six months
from zero Linux to getting certified, So.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I definitely am.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
I'm not gonna say, do a complete pivot because at
the end of the day, I still want to be
like like have a business and being an entrepreneur, you
know what I mean. But I also want to learn
the tech field, you know. I want to be able
to experience that. That's like something I think would help
me a lot and also understand the tech world in itself,
because yeah, I could be on the outside and learning
(36:46):
all of these things, but there's nothing like actually being
in the field and getting your feet wet.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
So you are looking to move into all your interested
in moving into acalynux AD or some type of role
like that.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah. I think you'll be great, bro, like you've been. Yeah,
whatever whatever capacity you move into in this tech industry,
like you're gonna do great because troubleshooting the different stuff
and you hit me up like, oh, RICO, I don't
know why this thing is working. And then I'm like,
all right, give me a second. I look into it
for you, man, I'm with the kids or whatever I
(37:20):
got going on. Give me like an hour. But it's
like every time almost it's like as soon as I
get ready to log in and say, hey, David, you're
ready to get online, oh I already figured it out.
Dang broal you own it man. Like, So it was
watching you or observing how you kind of like just
(37:43):
had a taste for this thing. You just wanted more
and more, learning more and more, and watching your progression
from not even really able to remember how to query
a directory to now you're like looking at all the
switches and you're going right to the man info pages
to get a deeper understanding to build out more complex configurations.
(38:06):
It's like crazy, and I can't wait to see you, know,
what you do with it, because you'll be a great
person because you're you're you're helping two of the other
guys in the group right now, right so you're kind
of going with them, going with taking your milestones and
your or your lessons learned and showed them how to
better prepare, how to you know, study and go towards
(38:28):
the man pages and ways to use chat GPT with
that right to help you with that's it's gonna be
great man watching you on growing this. Yeah, Reggie on
m on, Reggie.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
Sorry about that guy. I put myself on you because
you know, I drink and I swallow something drinking, the
MIC picks up, the MIC picks up everything. So ultimately,
for me, the question I have is that and Ricos
probably told you this, there is so many lanes that
(39:08):
you can go into when you go to Linux. I
mean you can go cyber, you can go programming. I
mean there's like, so what aspect do you like really
like the most. What aspect or what lane do you
like the most about what you just picked up or
what you're learning? Are you you know? And I mean
(39:30):
have you thought about that? Like you thought about Oh
I really like the cybersecurity portion. Oh, I really like
the programming portion. Oh I like the administration all like this,
what aspect of it do you like? Have you found
that you like the most? Right now?
Speaker 2 (39:44):
When I first got into it, I was really into
I like the networking aspect of it.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Networking was interesting to.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Me just because I like I was able to really
understand how land works, Wan works and everything like that.
So that's what I was trying to pivot to. I
thought I was going to pivot towards that, But now,
like as I learned more, I was like, like I said,
(40:15):
containerization and like just learning how to really manage servers
and and really deploy my own servers. Like that's kind
of like how I'm starting to look at it, like
be able to deploy my own servers eventually and kind
of like create my own, you know, network of servers
for to do my own thing if I need it
at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
So containers, is that is that something you're you're probably
gonna try to get a little bit deeper understanding. Yeah, yes, definitely.
Skubernetes and Rachel is trying to pull you over to
the AI. Man want to teacher's co pilot, Hey, I don't,
(41:01):
I don't put my mark on. He learned some stuff
from me, and so he can go ahead and get
in an AI from your ways.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
So like I said, man, it's it's it's just the
good thing is it's it's almost like it's almost like
right now you are an artist, right and you have
and you've you got this clay that you've you've built
and you've procured. Now you can just shape it into
whatever you want to be. And that's the beauty of it. Right,
(41:33):
That's the part too. I think the same reason why
Rico does works with young minds like yourself, same reason
I do, is because this is the exciting part, right,
This is the part where you where you like, you know,
like okay, the growth, the direction, finding out where he
wants to go and helping him get there is definitely
(41:54):
the thing that you know, really invigorates you know, guys
like us to keep doing we do outside of our
day to day nine to five jobs. So I think
that I think that you are a perfect example, and
you are what we need more of an it right,
(42:14):
a young brilliant mind, you know, a young a young
man of color. I won't go into all that, right,
I won't get into the aspect man of color people
that look at you and be like, I wonder what
he does? You know he does he play basketball?
Speaker 1 (42:30):
You?
Speaker 4 (42:31):
No, No, I'm actually a brilliant eye. I have a
brilliant it mind.
Speaker 3 (42:36):
Right.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
So it really, it really feels my heart with that,
right because I think one of the things that we
talked about when we started this show was changing the landscape,
changing the way people look at it, right, you know,
bringing the environment together. What we're saying like, okay, everybody
in the world needs to all the kids in the community,
especially the young minority kids need to be like, look,
(42:59):
there's other ways out out of your situation besides you know,
sports or whatever like that. I t is a way
to build generational wealth into to build a family, have
a great life in the future, and stuff like that.
So Ko, kudos to you your flowers. I'm really looking
forward to all the things you do in the future.
Please keep I don't have direct contact with you, Barrico,
(43:22):
does please keep keep us posted, you know, let us
know how you how you progress in the future.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Yeah, for sure, for sure I appreciate it. I love
the words, you know.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
It definitely feels my heart because that lets me know that,
you know, I'm not like I'm not. My work isn't
for nothing, you know what I mean. Like, so I
really appreciate that for sure.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
No worries, man, No worries, I said a lot Rico,
go ahead, man, know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Up?
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Man, That's that's I find it. It's yeah, man, like
I say, you can like get everybody figured out with
this thing. That's that's that's four different types of persons,
you know, Man, I might I might be I might
(44:18):
be the game. See that's how I tell people and
call me a nerd man. Not socially enough, just yeah,
I don't think I'm socially just kind of smart and
I'm a bit of asess well, a little less obsessed nowadays.
It used to be bad. I kind of wish I
could kind of like get like halfway from where I'm
at and then where I was when I wasn't eating
(44:41):
right and stuff. I don't want to start eating crap
and start going to the gym because that mm hmmm,
it's not good. Definitely got to take care of your body.
But yeah, man, like I said, I appreciate I really
appreciate the tenacity and in the effort in all little
work you did like helping me, right, because at a
(45:03):
certain point in the program, I kind of like started
getting overwhelmed, you know, I had, like, you know, some
issues like going to funerals and dealing with like a
lot of like personal stuff right on top of all
the stuff that I volunteer with. And I was like, David,
you know, can you facilitate the work group means? And
(45:27):
He's like, oh yeah, yeah, I gotta got it. It
was doing it, you know what I'm saying. You picked
it up without hesitation. And that's a lot of the
stuff that you know, my mentor that I picked up
at Red Hat that I still speak to on a
weekly basis. And he's like, yeah, man, you volunteer everything.
You just like helping people, you know, kind of take
(45:48):
it easy, give yourself some time. So I kind of
see a lot of myself in you. How you just
vigorously go to help other people, especially the way you
helped me with that situation because I definitely needed that.
I needed that breathe it. But congratulations again, man, this
(46:08):
is a it's a big one. Like if anybody out
there is listen, if you don't know what the RTSA is,
Red System Administrator, it's a huge example. What was three hours?
Four hours long?
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah? Three hours about like twenty two questions.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Three hours long, a handful of questions, but they take
some time. Three hours is not enough time.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, it's definitely you would think three hours is enough time.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
But when you're really going through it and doing all
the exercises and answering all the questions and things like
that and double checking and making sure everything is good,
three hours goes by like like that struggling.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Like one time please like like be like old boy on.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
What's that.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
He's a singer, just tim like movie, it was out
of time, out of time.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
I'm trying to. I'm trying to. I'm trying to connect
it right now. Brother, if we're talking.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Abou trying to rereach your mom and stuff like that,
and I got this last task and not enough time. Bro.
Yeah but yeah, man, four hundred dollars exam three hours,
but very worth it right. It's a significant amount of challenge,
and it also left you since it's a practical application exam,
(47:32):
it left you with the aero confidence because you know
what you're doing. It's not like all theoretical where oh,
you know this is the configuration. I've never really done it.
You've done it hundreds of times, you know. So you're
equip with a pretty powerful certification they have in your
name that gets people of interest. And then you also
(47:52):
have the confidence and the ability to answer questions and
speak to any any any opinions you may have about
the operating system and how to connect it with other
systems or secure it or otherwise. Right, so your your
troubleshooting is like its own point for entry admin. You
(48:16):
definitely will equipped. And I have no doubt in my
mind that somebody's gonna pick you up like real fast
and you're gonna fly through. You're gonna be a great mentor.
That's another thing we usually go at linked with. Have
you had any other mentorship, you know outside of our
situation that's kind of helped you along the way. Given
(48:37):
in the production.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Stuff I had, I had I had one guy because
doing on the production type of things, I was doing
with like a lot of music videos and events and
things like that.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
And actually this guy passed away.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Actually he actually was the guy that introduced me to
like the VP of Death Jem at one point in
my career, you know, And there was one thing he
said to me was just like, you know, whatever you do,
don't stop, just keep going. It doesn't matter how like,
(49:12):
it doesn't matter what it is, don't stop because as
long as you keep going and you don't stop or
you don't quit, you never know what could happen in
your life.
Speaker 1 (49:23):
So just keep going. Like and I'm honestly that message
stuck with me ever since.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Like I never look at things in life like as
me you know, failing or or like a fuck up
or anything like that. It's just a setback, that's all
it is, you know what I mean. I never look
at I never look at anything.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
As a failure. It's just a setback, a learning lesson,
and then from there you know what to do moving forward.
Speaker 3 (49:47):
How do you process failures, Reggie, you kind of like
do the same thing, just kind of like let it
roll off, or you take a minute crowd of yourself.
Speaker 4 (49:55):
Absolutely, I mean so comple experience. Absolutely not I I
lose sleep for three or four days, I'm punching pillows.
I'm not gonna sit there act like, oh man, that's
not a big deal. Yeah, it takes a couple a
big failure. It takes a couple of days to get
over it. But you know, eventually you look back and
(50:16):
it's it's you know, it's one of those things you
just you learn from like nah, I mean a lot
of people say that, like, oh, just let it roll off,
it's no big deal. They look or I'm I'm not
saying I'm not that, and it's okay. If that's how
you process failure. You just can't let it stagn it
Like one of the things I you know, I learned
this from a TV show. Right, You just got to
(50:38):
let yourself be in it for a day or two,
get it all out, and then move forward, as opposed
to like holding it back and suppressing it. And then
it just got like, you know, it kind of like
it's there down on the right, underneath the surface and
it's actually causing you problems you don't even realize, you know,
like why am I so uptight.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
All the time? You know?
Speaker 4 (50:58):
So so just let it out, you know, you know
you the seven seven seven steps, agree for whatever.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
I don't know how many times I've had that asks
to me as an envy question. Thank for a job?
How do you process failure?
Speaker 4 (51:19):
Man?
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Without fail bro? How you how do you deal with
failure challenges? How do you deal with personality conflicts? I
guess on the team with a customer like this, this
stuff is like you gotta I think I think.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
I got that down down pack.
Speaker 2 (51:41):
Because you know, being like doing entrepreneur work and stuff
like that, you you kind of have to learn how
to speak to people in a sense.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
You know, you got to have to have those social cues.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
You gotta understand, you gotta understand, you gotta be able
to see things from other people's perspective also.
Speaker 1 (51:54):
Not just yours.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
You know, you learn how to deal with failure pretty well,
That's that's how you get that stick skin you got. Yeah,
entrepreneurship man, brough Bro. Entrepreneurship and being in sales man
for thee Yeah, not for the week.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
That's definitely true. There's nothing. You got to hear a
lot of notes.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Do you have anything in last remarks you want to
leave with the people that's listening with regarding anything we
talked about any kind of like gim you feel like
it would be the best thing for a person here
if they're kind of on the fence where you kind
of were at one point, or if they're going through
a struggle that that you went through several you know
(52:40):
in this progression.
Speaker 1 (52:46):
Let us know, let us know.
Speaker 2 (52:51):
I wanted to I wanted to say something thought provoking,
but I would definitely say, you know, even though you
know there might be a lot of hardship and things
that you're going through in life, or you know you
feel like you you're stuck or you don't know what
to do, there's always information out there.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
That's one you just gotta be willing to look for
it too. If you're trying to work hard towards something, just.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
Know that it's not going to be easy, and there
might be a lot of sleepless nights, but at the
end of the day, it's going to be worth it.
You always got to look at the end goal, the
end you got. You always got to have the motivation
to look at the end goal, because the end goal
is what's going to motivate you and keep you disciplined.
If you don't have an end goal, you're not gonna
You're not gonna work towards anything. So once you have
(53:41):
that end goal and an idea of what you want
to do, just work towards that and be relentless about it.
Don't care what anybody else tells you, like because half
the time people don't know what they want themselves.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
So as long as you know what you want, work
towards that.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
Man, you know what, you know what comes up if
you put relentless dot com? Yeah youuroyl as your euro
Guess guess what company comes up?
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Well, let's I don't even want to know. I think
Amazon bro.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Like he got that. I think he got that dumb
in like a long time ago. Yeah, when I was
going through my MB, I did a I forgot when
paper was on, but it was a couple of those
big companies, and that was some random fact that I
ran an I put it in. Oh man, it's true. Yeah,
I think I think, I think I think it readirects Amazon.
(54:37):
But I appreciate you. I appreciate you sharing those gems. Brother, Red,
Do you want to leave the people with any kind
of thoughts reflecting anything we talked about? Uh?
Speaker 4 (54:51):
I honestly think a lot of the things that I
want to leave people with is I kind of said already,
but you know, it feels my heart see a great
young ma uh get into the field, and I look
forward to all the things you're going to accomplish in
the future. And I hope that your story in this
conversation has inspired other people like you to do the same.
Speaker 3 (55:13):
And I personally hope and I know for I know
that you're going to pay it forward. I know you're
going to bring some people up. I know you're going
to be on the other side of the mentorship coaching fence,
and you're gonna make sure tremendous impact in whatever organization
you you move into. Because I had heard a coach
(55:33):
say this on it's Instagram real he was talking about
it might have been a coach or a recruiter for
you know, college football, but it was like some kids,
some kids are hungry. Some kids just want to eat.
And I can definitely say, man, you're not hungry. I mean,
well you are hungry. You don't You don't just want
to eat, you know what I mean? You you actually
(55:56):
want this, like in the worst ways, and that's that's exciting,
Like you make me want to go and put more
work in, bro. Like'sn't nothing like because like you know,
I mean Reggie, you you know, like you get to
a certain point in your career and you kind of
like start coasting.
Speaker 4 (56:10):
You know.
Speaker 3 (56:10):
Sometimes you just kind of like riding it out, you know,
going through the motion. But then you see something like
young young kid going there, like man, that kind of
made me remember when I was like trying to like
push my way up the mountain, you know what I'm saying,
trying to climb. Yeah, it's it's definitely refreshing, and I'm
definitely grateful to have you with the Word group.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
So I can't thank you.
Speaker 4 (56:35):
Awesome songs.
Speaker 2 (57:02):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (57:05):
Hm.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
I thought it was just me crap Internet. Now we're
making it through. We just got powered back, so I.
Speaker 4 (57:14):
Nearly got power.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
Like today like today, I think I think.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yesterday yesterday morning.
Speaker 3 (57:30):
Yeah, got back from Georgia Friday, all game like I
was like turning into my my street and then the
sudden lights coming on. So yeah, a lot of people
still though.
Speaker 4 (57:46):
Yeah, and then uh, Frontier just send me a message
to day saying like hey we've seen another interruption. We'll
get it clicks.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
So yeah, so m welcome back to the one. It's
the cloth we got you out, one of the hosts,
and then we also have Reggie Abony. I want to
say I love it.
Speaker 4 (58:10):
I usually let ladies go first, but is freezing about.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Well yeah, because it's a delay every time you say something. Anyway, Hi,
I'm Ebony.
Speaker 3 (58:27):
So and the ave just kicked her out, So that's
what you're getting on top crapha ap. She'll sneak back then.
But ladiens, you know we're joined with David Thomason and
uh man, excuse me, brother, get me ready that you're
(58:48):
right man the Black Friends man, where is that from?
Speaker 2 (58:56):
Well, both my parents are so I'm assuming I'm assuming
that you know the name is has French organs and.
Speaker 3 (59:03):
Things of that us make sense one days, Glad letting
introduce yourself and Glad jell right to it.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
H m hm
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