May 15, 2025 • 53 mins
Summary
In this conversation, Rico and Reginald discuss various topics related to remote work, including new protocols for accessing resources, the dynamics of virtual meetings, and the importance of maintaining a work-life balance. They also explore the future of development environments, the role of AI in human interaction, and the significance of mental health in the workplace. The discussion emphasizes the value of solo conversations and the need for open communication in the tech industry. In this engaging conversation, Reginald and Rico delve into the complexities of mental health in professional settings, the significance of maintaining camera presence during virtual meetings, and the challenges faced by introverts in communication. They share personal anecdotes and insights on how to navigate these issues, emphasizing the importance of visual engagement and proper etiquette in virtual interactions. The discussion culminates in a light-hearted yet meaningful exploration of the shared experiences that many face in the modern workplace.
Keywords
remote work, development environments, AI, mental health, communication, tech industry, podcasting, work-life balance, virtual meetings, DevOps, mental health, virtual meetings, camera presence, communication, introversion, professional life, workplace culture, engagement, virtual etiquette, personal struggles
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dem-tech-folks--5753456/support.
In this conversation, Rico and Reginald discuss various topics related to remote work, including new protocols for accessing resources, the dynamics of virtual meetings, and the importance of maintaining a work-life balance. They also explore the future of development environments, the role of AI in human interaction, and the significance of mental health in the workplace. The discussion emphasizes the value of solo conversations and the need for open communication in the tech industry. In this engaging conversation, Reginald and Rico delve into the complexities of mental health in professional settings, the significance of maintaining camera presence during virtual meetings, and the challenges faced by introverts in communication. They share personal anecdotes and insights on how to navigate these issues, emphasizing the importance of visual engagement and proper etiquette in virtual interactions. The discussion culminates in a light-hearted yet meaningful exploration of the shared experiences that many face in the modern workplace.
Keywords
remote work, development environments, AI, mental health, communication, tech industry, podcasting, work-life balance, virtual meetings, DevOps, mental health, virtual meetings, camera presence, communication, introversion, professional life, workplace culture, engagement, virtual etiquette, personal struggles
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/dem-tech-folks--5753456/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, y'all, welcome back to another episode of Them Tech Folks. Okay,
we're coming back in and hot with episode twenty eight, right,
me and Reggie we're gon we're gonna do it. O Loo,
just the guys. It's time around and we actually trying
a new format, and we hope y'all liked that. We
talked about, you know, the decisions around going with the
new format, which is not a new format per se.
(00:22):
We've been meaning to do this for a minute, but
we just kind of got around to doing it. But
we really discussed webcams. You know, a lot of you
guys probably wonder what well cam. This is just like
an easy conversation that we can start out with, so
it was kind of fun talking about webcams. We can't
have a show on thing without talking about AI nowadays,
(00:43):
so we definitely hit on that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And then you know, some of the last stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
That we hit on, which is probably the most important
stuff right now with this week if you're in the
Tampa Bay area, because this week we got a B
sides Tampa twenty twenty five that's in the full effect
right and yours truly is going to be delivering a class,
an eight hour of course on couberineated security and deploying
kuberinates full beginners. So I'm going to be doing that
(01:11):
with a few of my friends. It's going to be
a pretty exciting class. Got word last week that we
actually sold out, So if you didn't make it this
time around, check us out next time. We may try
another conference if it works out well and it's well received,
so being a lookout for that.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
But without further ado, I hope y'all enjoyed the show.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I hope we didn't cut up too too much and
get us get ourselves cancer.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
But yeah, let us know.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
What you think, Like what the why do people want
to turn their cameras off?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Like what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I mean, hopefully my manager doesn't watch this podcast. My manager,
you kind of add that little piece on there, just
so you know you it's not a real person.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Hell sir key stuff back.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I appreciate you clarifying, because I thought I was gonna
have to, you know, exit by crazy, take crazy out
and insert weird. I don't know if that's better, because
that is that still offensive. I don't want to trigger
nobody for real.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Why you bring it up?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Then?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
If you ain't gonna share.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
That's the stuff that people want to hear about, the
stuff things supposed to about.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Like I just wanted to like put my headphones and
go in the corner because I just didn't want to
you know, it was hard for me to interact.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I know some of y'all are pooping during meetings.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And why do you you never cared about what I
thought that first five minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Why are you caring about what I think right now
as we get ready to close out? Like, what do
you mean? Man? Like I.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Can't take no loss.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't even know where they cast hit the ground,
then to go hit the ground, then to go Yeah,
I can't take no loss.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I don't even know what hit the ground. That so
soft weak thing, man.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I see there it is again. No, I really haven't
had time for it.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Man.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Oh you know what, you know what I think might
be going on? They got this new requirement for us
where to access any resources. They gotta you gotta do
this azure VPN thing. So I just turned off VPN.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Like it's not working rightfully?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Ah well, I noticed the upload wasn't working, So you know,
I think the upload is working now. It was it
was kind of like stalling. So maybe it'll catch up now. Yeah, man,
it's a new new rule. Man can access internal some
of their internal resources without the VPN now so.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, I mean I'm surprised. That's a new rule of surprising.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, exactly right, exactly right, exactly right. So so for
another soft thing. Man, So I got I got invited
to a few things, but it's just not I just
didn't have had the time. And plus, you know, my
wife works like first three days out of the week,
you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesdays or Saturday, Sunday Monday, so
usually a ride for me those days. I got a
bazaar and stuff like that. I may try to hit
(04:13):
something tomorrow is my plan. Definitely Thursday if I can. Yeah,
you know, I don't know what's going on though, because
I ain't really tuned in like I used to be
when I used to work over a sinkom.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So I have no idea what's out there. I'm gonna
check it out. Like they like our company, I know you.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Need I know you need tickets though, right, they go
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Well, well we support sok On, so I gotta I
gotta sok On, you know. So you know, earn it registered,
but I wasn't gonna go because like there was at
first it was like telling us we had to like
we had to use PTO to go, and I was like, nah.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You don't have to use PTO for happy hour.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
That's you know.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But you know, I actually enjoy like walking around looking
at the new tech and talking to people. You know
what I'm saying to the different vendors about like what
they got going on. You know, sometimes some cool shit.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
You know. I would love, though, man, be really really cool,
Like if I could take my son to see those.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Demos, that would be cool, because like that one year
they probably got it, got it now.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But I think last year they had the robot dog,
you know what I mean. I think kids are like
that shit.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
No, I think I think the coolest one I saw
was that when they were like doing like boats and
helicopters and all that stuff out in the water. Oh yeah,
out over the bay like that. Yeah. It's like, I'm
really appreciating doing the solo shows. I mean, we can
do guests, and I appreciate guests, you know, as always,
but sometimes I think a lot of podcasts and you know,
(05:44):
just us talking is actually good too. I think sometimes
I'm digging the whole. That's why I feel like the
concept of us just getting on here talking is good too.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I mean I think I think this is like we
shouldn't have made this our primary, you know what I mean.
We kind of got caught up in doing it. I
enjoy doing the interviews, Like it's cool hearing about you know,
other people who's like journeying how they got in the
take is very interesting stuff, and I think that's very
appealing to like people that are hopeful to get into tech.
That was kind of like why I was really like
(06:12):
beating that drune so hard. But I do feel like
the reason why we got into this space of doing
the podcast and so we can kind of like you know,
talk about the things that we find to be interesting
and the concerns that we have, and you know, just
our outlook about you know, what's going on in the
industry and what's going on in our own careers, you
know what I mean. So it's kind of like we're
doing our own type interview, you know, type shit. But yeah,
(06:37):
I'm glad we definitely came back around, you know, eventually
to start having these conversations because I mean, we have
a lot of good conversations whether we go to you know,
cigar in the National and we kind of like doing
our own thing, working and having a little conversation, you know,
with some drinks or you know, a cigar too or whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So yeah, So with that being said, though, I did
write down a couple a couple of topics we should cover, right,
just because.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You wrote down some topics, Well, I told organized, Well,
I'm not organized.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So here's the thing. Bro. I can do really, I
can do really good when I wing it. But sometimes,
you know, my wife told me, like the other day,
she was like I was in this meeting and she
was in the kitchen and I'm in the office talking
and she was like, yeah, you were kind of messing
up in the beginning. It's like yeah, because I just
kind of went in there and didn't know what I
was gonna say, and I just and she was like
at the beginning, I mean if she said eventually you know,
(07:34):
but yeah, but at first I was like I wasn't stuttering,
but you know, I was like a lot. So that's
why I kind of like to at least yeah, in
the meaning it was my meaning when a meeting. Yeah,
I was, well, you know, So the thing about it is,
(07:59):
I can't get so sometimes. So sometimes dude, when I
when I be like going on these weird teams, I'd
be like, ah, let me. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
But this is an internal So the funny thing about
it is is that it was my meeting. I called it,
and I wrote the agenda and everything for it. I
(08:20):
just it was just one of those days.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Man.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
You know, it's back to back to back, and I
was just like, ah, man, I got this, mean now
I'm ready to call it today, and you best believe
I cut it short. I was like, hey, y'all got
anything else because I'm about to wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I had the camera on like this, Yeah, I have
cameras on what we.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Do internal sometimes, especially when it's my meeting.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I used to have my camera all the time, but
it was it started getting weird because I'm like the
only person with my camera, and so I just like
started turning ship off. Bro.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That is definitely a topic of thought, a thought process.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Right, cameras off?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Like what the why do people want to turn their
cameras off?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Like what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I mean, hopefully My manager doesn't watch this podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
My manager everybody this podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
But my manager always has a camera on, and when
she does a one on one, she wants your camera on. Yeah,
especially when she's doing a one on one because she's like,
I like that when I she likes to read people's reaction.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, of course, I mean that's the that's the big
that's the big reason for having your camera on because
you know, so much conversation on, so much communication, right
gets exactly nonverbal communication gets lost when you don't have
the visual you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
So it's always good to have cameras on it.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I feel, you know, just like read people's expression and
get a vibe of like, okay, we how we call
enjoying it, you know what I'm saying, or they kind
of like not really liking it, but they don't want
to say something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I think that's important.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So and you know, the best one is the nonverbal communication.
When you forget your cameras on, that's another good verbal communication.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
What do you mean.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
We had? I've been on a couple of calls when
people forgot the camera was on and it was pretty funny. Wow,
I'm surprised somebody didn't get can I'm surprised somebody didn't
get canceled because the camera was on. They were mocking
somebody with cam didn't realize the camera was on. I
was like, wow, dude, you know somebody had to break
in and be like, you know, that's really really rude.
I can't believe you're doing that. Did you? I was like,
(10:33):
whoa did that?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
It was?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
It was crazy dude. So for everybody out there, man,
if you if you decided to go on camera, do
remember your camera is on and your mic is hot too,
because uh yeah, it can get it can get weird
if you don't pay attention.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
That could be a situation hot.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Imagine a hot mic, Imagine a hot camera.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
But I mean, like the hot mic is like more
of an issue because you're more likely to not notice
the little mite icon, not because what is like they
got aligned through.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
It or not. You may or may not see that.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
But when your camera zone, you can usually see yourself
on the screen. You know what I mean, It ain't
you know, it don't mean no matter how many people
are in that meeting, your your little screen is going
to be there. If your camera zon, you know, what
I mean, So you're just not paying attention.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
See that when you see your face light up, that's
what I'll be checking for.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
So but yeah, man, you know a lot you know
a lot of the people that I see as we
talk about the whole expressions and everything like that, a
lot of people I see they always turn the camera
on or or I don't want to say they're salespeople,
but they're sales type people.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, because any that stuff exactly right.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
They need I want to if I'm trying to sell something,
I want to see your face. I want to see
how when I try to you know, like, hey, how
do you like this product? I mean that's part of sales, right,
reading that nonverbal body language. That's why a lot of
salespeople like to go in person, a lot like can
I come in for a site visit as opposed to
like some teams called teams is great, but it's nothing
(12:07):
like that up close and personal reading people's body language.
I mean, that's and that's part of the thing that's
missing and a lot of remote work, right because most
people never turn the cameras on, you know that never Why.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Do people turn them off, though.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
It's my question, like, why do you think people like
have a preference for turning the camera.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You think they're like just doing other shit.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Most of the time, you're doing other stuff. A lot
of times when you're at home, you're in home, right,
Like I know, I know, I know. One girl, she
she was telling me that she started working from home
and she was having challenges working from home. So what
she did was is that when she woke up in
the morning, she got dressed like she was going to
(12:50):
the office. Most people don't do that.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Oh, so she's got a ritual to kind of like
snap herself into that persona I guess, but she does.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
She does that by dressing the part. I'll be completely
honest with you. Before I get on this interview, I
had like a ragged I had like a house T
shirt on. I had to throw on a polo and
I'm usually in that house T shirt before I get
on camera.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
For real. It could have been worse. Mean, you could
have said you was wearing a momo or something.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
You know what, if it's comfortable, I ain't mad at nobody.
I ain't mad at Look. If it's comfortable and you
feel like it's comfortable at home. If you're home by yourself,
you know, he committed. I'm not the one to do it,
but I understand that. I understand the power of being
comfortable at home.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I appreciate you clarifying because I thought I was gonna
have to, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Exit you know the funny thing, I actually keep a
shirt in a drawer.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I have a drawer, go back and committed to it.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I have a shirt keep in the drawer. So if
I know I'm gonna be on.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Camera, I just just shirt go down to your knees.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
No, it's a work shirt. It's a work Like if
I'm at home and I got on my house clothes,
if I need to get on camera, I have my
little work shirt, right, I pull it out the drawer
and I pop it on real quick and I say, okay, bam,
cameras on.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Like I've heard of people like having like a hat
even hanging outside the door of the office, the home office,
and when they go into work, they put the hat
on and that's the signal that yeah, dad is at work,
and they snap to it, I guess, you know. And
when they get off, they take the hat off, and
that's that's how they separate their personal and work live.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I mean luckily, well, luckily, I don't have a household
like that right where I got like a full household.
I have to control that. Usually most of the day
when I'm at work, my son's at school, so and
my wife's usually in the bed because she works nice.
And I go and you know me, man, I go
to the office a lot. And when I take the office,
I mean my office.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
What you see single International is your office. That's your
home office.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
They don't, you know, we don't have an office in
Tampa anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
So they got rid of that one. Yeah, man, wow, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That's my So that's my office. And I said, but hey,
what are you doing? I'm going to the office. But
she knows.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
She knows.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
She knows when I say I'm going to the office,
she knows exactly where I'm going.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Did she pack your lunch?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
If I ask you to, she will. She can be
a sweetheart. Sometimes sometimes you get on my.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Nose sometimes, dang, where you're not doing your stuff in
those favors you can lie, I'm gonna explod you.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
The thing about it is like, and I sit in
that same seat most of the time too, because that's
right by the plug and everything. I had them double
monitors hooked up battery Russlow.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Man, it's good stuff. Man, it's good stuff. I like.
I like it up there because it's big, it's open.
I can talk loud as I want, Like I've been
to I've been to some other places and when you
get on the phone and you start talking to people
be like why are you going to be so loud?
You know, or they kind of look over at you,
or they kind of listening on your conversation out there.
Everybody mind the business. I never seen nobody like leaning
over it with the ear like listening to what I'm saying. Well, yeah,
(15:56):
because everybody everybody mind in their business and a lot
of times people working just like I am.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I've never had that happen to me though, like in public,
like if I was like working somewhere, I've never had
anybody like, well, I've never caught somebody like trying to
pry into like what I have, you know, going on
on my system.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's that's like weird energy.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Right now, y'all you look up as somebody's like looking
over your show, what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Hell? Surry key stuff back?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Oh, I got a prophecy screen on my mind because
I know I work out. I know I work remote
a lot, so I put up I bought a privacy screen.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah yeah, I haven't had that problem, so I don't
have I probably should have a privacy screen. I guess
if I'm working, you know, in the wild.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
In a while, you wouldn't nigga work boy working in
the jungle.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I feel like the jungle sometimes. Man, people love it,
you know. Yeah, man, people love characters bro so unpredictable
at times, you know, but it's the crazy where we
live in it is.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Man.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I'm I'm I'm right here grinding every day, so I
feel the I feel the pain that everybody goes through
when they say it's a jungle. So, you know, one
of the things, you know, it was one of the
things I kind of I kind of want to bring
to you today that I want to talk about. And honestly,
(17:16):
I thought there would be something that you'd be like,
oh yeah, man, I'm feeling that it was. It was
a topic that was brought up by somebody else. I
have a I don't know if you know my boy Elliott,
we interviewed him before. Yeah, Elliott's really.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Really Elliott feels, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
He's really in the dev ops and stuff, right, like,
you know, stuff like that. So one of the things
they talked about was, uh, and I wrote this down
the death of local dev environments a cloud based dev
environments the future.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, I think so, man, you know, they got they
got some pretty good you know, web web did ease
and and so you don't even have to have like
a lot of stuff on your on your local system
like two lidge wise, you know. So that's a that's
a pretty good conversation though.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, I thought about you, and that's when I heard it. Yeah,
the pros the cons, what it means for the other
thing that they brought up, and it was pros cons
and what it means for onboarding and security.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I think that'd be a good conversation, and you know,
call him back. And there's there's some other dev dev
ops death sick op types that we've had on the
show that I think having two of those guys in
to talk about, you know, how they both see it
from their coiners of that that that segment within the industry,
(18:35):
I think that'd be a great discussion.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
So what's your thoughts on it?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Though I'm not I'm not. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I don't think I'm like as like entrenched in it
to have a real opinion about it, you know, because
I don't really do you know, a whole whole lot
like development. I wrote more on infrastructure platform.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
But I mean real life. You know, you don't have
a bunch of service and switches for your labs and
stuff anymore, right, you know what I mean. I don't
all my lab. All my lab, even my on prem
environment is in the cloud. Now, I don't do I
bought I gave my my ESX hosts per se like
it was my old ESX host. I gave it to
(19:16):
my son for his computer.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
So you say when you say local de vibs versus
cloud dead vibs, right, I'm thinking like the vibs.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I'm thinking, I'm thinking of environments.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Okay, So that's yeah, it's different. That's different for me.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, yeah, I know. But for me, that's when I
when I think about when I hear the term environments
and developing environments and stuff like that, I get what
you're saying.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It sounds like you're speaking more for like local infrastructure
versus cloud infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yes, okay, that too.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
That was part of the conversation too. Maybe I should
have should have went to that, but the whole went
from like dev ops and developing to like you know,
you know, standing up labs. I mean it kind of
evolved into that right, Like it was like one of
those situation was like, yeah, man, my lab, and you know,
I have a DevOps. When I want to stand up
(20:05):
a lab, I hit a button that spent. It spends
up a lab and it adds everything I wanted it
and then when I want to I just tear it
down and then I spent another one up when I
have another something going on. And it was kind of
going into that conversation.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, instructure piece, Yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Was and I was really impressed with that conversation. I
don't know much about it. I can follow the instructions,
but I can't do it.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's a that's a real thing.
There's a lot of and there's.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
A lot of conversation that you had about that, and
there's a lot of conversation that we had about using
you know, the new tools you know, to to create
these tools or create these things. There's a lot of
AI based systems that will do a lot of this
stuff or will create the place in the the code
(20:55):
even right for a lot of this stuff, the stuff
that I've seen and done and played with, it don't
really seem like all the way there, to be honest,
But it's not too far off though.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I've been able to get.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Like, you know, seventy you know, seventy percent, I guess,
which is a significant you don't have to like you
at least got like a good scaffling to play with,
you know, and build from. That's better than like building
something from scratch, you know. And then the other thing
I enjoy about that versus like, you know, piecemealing something
together from scratch, is that it'll generally give you, like,
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you know, some some information about different components within your code,
especially if it's something that you're not really doing often. Okay,
well I haven't used that, uh, that type of I
don't know, conditional or whatever. Right, maybe maybe you're a
little rustie on using conditionals within.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Him. You know, I'm playing around with him right now.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So the way they the way they do loops and
and if statements and stuff like that, it's a little
new because of the syntax. So yeah, maybe you have
a question about that you can like get a little
bit more fidelity about that certain aspect within the code.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Can you explain this? And I mean it's cool.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
You know, it's like having like a smart guy right
there where he's telling you, hey, you can do this
thing that you're trying to do like this, and then
you got like a little follow up question that you
can ask and you don't have to like reverb everything.
It's just like you just kind of go into it.
And it's like having a conversation with a person. You know,
obviously it's not a person, but you got.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
To add that little piece on there. It's just so
you know it's not a real person. They're not your friend.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I saw like this article.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I don't know if it was like trolling or or
if it was like legitimate, but they was saying that
when people say thank you to a models causes like
millions of dollars in like additional workload.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
It wastes resources because it doesn't it doesn't care like
and when you address it and stuff like that, when
you say, like, hey, you know, because what the thing
about it is right when you when you're when you
say thank you, especially to a voice code. Most of
the time it does how you're welcome, and that's processing
this ridiculous. Doesn't need to do that, right, Yeah, but
(23:23):
I've even started saying like people say, like, you know,
don't even start with a greeting. I know some people say, hey,
how's it going, co, how's.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
It going chest?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
That's crazy, right, Like I feel like that's like crazy,
you know.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I mean, I don't want to be I'm not meaning.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I don't mean to sound offensive when I said it's
crazy by crazy, take crazy out and insert weird. I
don't know if that's better. Is that still offensive? I
don't want to trigger nobody. But it's different, right, It's different,
will go different. It's different because you use the salutations,
you know, and giving thanks to something that really it's
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not a person, you know, and granted, I know you
don't have to be a person. People think they pets
for doing doing the right things and stuff like that.
But it's like you're thinking cold and you're you're saying
good morning too cold. Just that's different, you know, like
should we be doing that? Like why why would you
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do that?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You know?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Does it feel some type of does it feel disrespected
if you just come and ask for something and it's
going to retort with like, hey, look man, you can
at least say good morning.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Could you imagine? Could you imagine, dude, could you imagine
if was like, you can at least say good morning?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, Like, damn mother, do you treat your wife like this?
God getting sad.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
But I will tell you I was shout out to
the moon Shots. It's a podcast where they.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Have like next level people moon Shots.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, it's a yeah, it's a part. It's a podcast
where they have next level people. We're talking like people
that are major venture capitalists billions of dollars and invented
all kinds of stuff. You never even heard of this. Yeah.
So they did talk about campionship. Yeah, I mean either bro.
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But there is something called the Abundant. There is something
called an Abundance convention Abundance, which is the name of
the convention. I was like, dang, that sounds pretty cool.
But they did say that one of the number one
business models for AI in the future will be companionship.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I can see that. I can see that. I mean,
I think they're already like playing with that.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Somewhere.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
There's digital girlfriends. Yeah, I mean, that's that's that's the thing. Man,
that's a thing. So we talk, we do that because
of this, you know, maybe we are looking for that
that is that human connection that people are looking for,
especially if we're staying in the house and not really
interacting with people.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Right, that's different.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And and by way, I just want to say, I'm
not included in that week. I like, I like coloring up,
you know, with with with something warm and soft. Machine
is not gonna be that. I don't I can't see
machine being that bro not for me. I'm too old
school for that. I lead that to like the the
young ones, but shout out to whoever needs it though,
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you know, because I mean, mental health is a thing.
That's another you know, conversation that that needs to be
had more. You know, I think we've hit it a
few times. Yeah, but that needs to be its own show,
you know, because that's a real thing, you know, mental health.
Uh you know, uh, interpersonal you know, conflict within the workplace,
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that's that's the thing. You know, a lot of people
you know that I talk to, they don't know how
to navigate these situations. You know, they don't know how
to you know, reach out when they're struggling with something
in their personal lives because they feel it's a grieved
encroachment upon their professional lives, and unfortunately, they put a
higher presence on their professional lives and their personal lives
because you know, there's an obligation to provide. And that's
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that's a hard that's a hard scenario to slice. But
we we we we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll get to
that when we when we talk about that, I think
right now we're supposed to be talking about what are
these people doing with their damn cameras off?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Man? Like, what are y'all doing?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Man?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Are y'all like naked? Are you you?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
You walking around with like a T shirt and underwear
on like boxes or something, they little flops.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I'm pretty sure that. I'm pretty sure the answers yes
and yes, that's crazy. I've never been bold enough to
do the whole sitting in the media. I mean, I've
never been old enough to just be sitting in the
underwear on a call or something like that. I've never
had that bold yes, but I know that I'm sure
there's some people that.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Have not even know like not underwear, but like not
even pajamas. You ain't set up there like some basketball.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's in the AH shirt.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Now I have like, okay, I have like I have
like like you know, after this meeting, I gotta go
run an errand or something like that, so I'll change
clothes like while the camera while I'm on the meeting.
But I make sure the camera's off, and most of
the time the mic is off too, and I like
hit the button because I have a conference mic, right
So that's a big thing. When my mic is off.
My mic is when my mic is on. It's a microphone.
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When it's off, I have a big red button sitting there.
So if I don't look and see that big red button,
I'm assuming my mic is on.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
But do you use this micro right here that you're
using right now.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
No, I have a when I'm when I'm at work,
I have a teams it's like a team's uh conference puck.
It's like a little puck. It's like this big and
it has a team's logoing at a phone, has a
volume and it has a little microphone. Yeah. Well, no,
(28:57):
I had like this little cheap one from Amazon because
I don't I don't like to have Yeah, I had
this little cheap like conference mic from Amazon because.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I don't like to, Like, no, it's not expensive to
trust me.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
That's probably why it wasn't the greatest thing. But no,
I don't like to like sit with headphones on all day.
I mean, like I put on headphones for the show
and when I'm out, uh you know, I put on
headphones because sometimes, you know, you can't really do a
conference MIC when it's when you're out in the open.
But like when I'm sitting at home, I have I
have conference microphones. Like I have like a conference microphone.
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I had one before. I wasn't bold enough to go
with all out with the real hardcore conference mic. But
my company they sell this little uh you know, it's
like a little small one that's made just for It's
made just for like teams integration.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
So I use that.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
It's hilarious that you say, mic up. Is it like
it's like some little small some little small coffy. Hey man,
you know I don't like to Yeah, just like everybody
knows the gop bro.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, well they don't know it because I walk around
like black black blasting about it. They know because you know,
just in conversation. But it's really cool, man. It's like
it's like I don't know if I can't really show
it on camera.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Because it's if you want to know Reggie's company, you
look him up on LinkedIn.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I can't. I can't show it because it's it's hooked
to the back of my copeter. I don't want to
do all that. But it's about this big It has
a little like I said, it has a volume and
a little red mic. That's the most important thing, you know,
you talk about with your hot mic when the mic
is you're muted when the mic is red, and I'm
always like, is it off? And I look and I
see it's red. Yep, it's off. All right, let's go.
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But this mic is just this mic right here is
just for the podcast because it's it's it's you know,
it's it's a much better mic.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
So I know he keep like jumping in and out
his thing. I think it's an important thing, right, this
whole you know, meetings with the camera on type thing.
It's so important that my company, right, they said, like,
you know, all all hands you have to have your
camera on hmm, which is crazy because like still like
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people still don't have the camera.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
How many people be in the audiends.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
We got a small company.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Bro Like, I think we were like we might be
at one hundred people, you know, but yeah, it's it's
a handful of people, say full of people.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
But yeah, I think it's important.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I think I think it's important to know and see people,
you know, because a lot of bro Like when I
was at red Hat, I didn't meet I was talking
to these people for like over a year, you know,
because the first time we had a conference while I
was there, it got it got came because of weather,
COVID cod No, because I came in like.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
After that was done.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I think it might have been COVID too. Yeah, it
might have been COVID, you know, COVID COVID because like
the first year, I think we didn't have it because
of COVID, but then maybe that next year.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
But whenever I got my.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
First conference, that was the first time I met a
lot of people that I had been working with over
a year. And so to be able to like see people,
it's like, okay, cool. And even even then, it's like
a lot of times you just would only see people's
like pictures because a lot of them didn't want to
be on camera.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
You don't see like a steal image, which that is
it can give you like some kind of inkland of
what a person looks like, but it doesn't really do
justice to like the real animated person.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Man, I met a few people, so we had our
first in person. This is like about a year or
two ago, and man, let me tell you something I
could not And I kept catching myself because I was like,
stop saying it, Reggie, because I was like, look, it
was one guy. I was like, he looked like a
little tiny Poindexter in his camera. This dude was like
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six foot five or six foot four, like talking about basketball,
like what like, dude, you man, you got me bro?
Because I saw him and it was this other cat
uh he you know, he got a suit on his
small on camera. I was like this dude, And when
I say big, I'm talking about linebacker big, not like
not like like overweight. Like I saw him in person
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and I was like.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Holy crap, you are fatista.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah. I was like, dude, you are. And I kept
saying it over and I was like, dang, I hope
I did defend him because I just it just kept
coming out, like man, you're a big fun It just
kept kept coming out.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
My director for the first time in real life. I
was like, bro, you're a lot tall. Thought you was
gonna be because like I don't know, like looking at
picture and he didn't.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
He didn't sun you did it? Nah, No, that's right,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
But it was like you like he tall, like you know,
because he was like a he's a slender you know guy,
and know you really see it like shoulder up.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
You know type shit.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
And I was just like this dude, one of those
six three six for some stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
See one of those guys like to have a camera.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I don't know if he liked to have it on.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I mean, he's the director's I didn't really like interface
with him like a whole whole lot.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
But I did talk to.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Him quite a few times though, but it just went
like it wasn't like as much as you know, to
be able to answer that question for me at least.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's crazy, bro. Like the difference.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I think I think people should.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
A lot of people have a hard time like speaking, oh,
speaking in front of people. I mean, so for you
to not have people that can see you, I think
that may be eases in a little bit. Even though
that's the reasoning for people having a potential reason for
people having their cameras out. I don't think it's an
adequate justification thing. You know, people should really work out
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those reservations about speaking, you know, participating in like a
toast mask or you know, do something like.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
That's the reason why I like when I do my.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Training, mental ship coaching type stuff with people that's trying
to get into the space. I try to get them
to present, you know, so you can get more comfortable
and confident while doing those things. Because when you interview,
your camera is gonna be own, bro. You know, if
you're not sitting right there across a table from people,
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if it's a panel, or even if it's an individual
a one on one interview, if it's virtual, your camera
is going to be your own.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Well honestly, man, I mean I get it right, because
being an introvert is a real thing, and.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
It's something you have to just if you want to
be in I mean, I hate to say it, but
if you want to be in this world of corporate face,
you know, like I don't know, I don't even know
the word I want to use, but it's just something
you have to learn how to manage it is. I
cannot begin to tell you how hard it is for
me ruggle. Like I went to I went to the
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Mothership a couple of months ago. And when I say,
like our home corporate office, right, and when I tell
you for people like me being there, having all those
people there, and it was like a conference of like
really sharp people. I I mean luckily I had my
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wife and support me type of thing. Because I was
really like, it's just really it's really hard to get
freaking out. Yeah. Man, I just was like I just
was like I just wanted to like put my headphones
and go in the corner because I just didn't want to.
You know, it was hard for me to interact because
I'm like, how do I talk? You get frozen, right,
how do I talk?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Palms of sweaty just vomited my mom spaghetti type ship.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
If you want to do that, you son of a gun.
But but yeah, I mean like.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
It's like that. I mean, you get you get dirt.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
And the thing is, you know that people probably see
you and they don't see that, right, They expect they
think you're cool as you good. You know, because when
when people see you present, unless you just made some
obvious mistake.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
They don't know these little mistakes that you make.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
They don't know when you stutter your words unless it's
a pronounced thing.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
But that doesn't take away the nerve, like you get
your nerves get crazy when you got to do these things.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
And it's not even that because the thing, the thing
I hate and despise that I don't never want to happen.
And it's actually, believe it or not, this actually happened
to me one time with my one of my wife.
One of my wife's coworkers went to her because she
was because we went to an event and you know,
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typical stuff. I struggle to talk right like the you know, like, hey,
how's it going.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
You're you know husband, just like in a conversation.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, I'm struggling right right right, I'm struggling to talk.
You know. They told my wife they thought I was arrogant.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
What Yeah, I'm like talking a lot, right Is that why?
That's crazy?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Like you not talking because you may be shy, but
then they assume that you're arrogant or you're stuck up
or you think that's like you know, and that's like
the same stuff that a lot of us kind of
went through in school.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Probably. You know, it's like you.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Don't really like jump out there because you're nervous, and
then people assume, though you just don't want to talk
to him, because yeah, that's crazy. So yeah, it could
it could hurt you. You know, there's worse things than
stumbling over your words when you're talking. You could like
get yourself screwed up by not talking and leaving people
(38:38):
to their own devices, you know, to construct the reality
that you are not really playing an active role in
crafting you.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Know my goodness.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Brother, Yeah, that's that's that's how this thing works. Though.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
You can either you can either play a part in it,
or you can let somebody else construct who you are
in the story because you're you know, you and your story,
but you and everybody else's story too, you know what
I mean. So yeah, you gotta you gotta be intentional
about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, I go deep, man, it's saying, it's saying all
jokes and good looks.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Brother, go deep.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I'm about to mess it up signing intelligence for a second.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
You want to intelligence, I can't hold it long, man.
We don't do it anyat Bro.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
We don't do that. We don't do that. We don't
do that.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Say smart stuff when I'm holding my brother gotta I
got a smooth forty five second. But yeah, man, that's
that's all I got about it, Bro. I was just
curious about it, Like I really wonder what people are like.
I don't know, you like playing with your dogs or something.
It's just like I don't think it's bothered me, but
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it's just I'm just super curious about it, you know,
like because because you see the memes and stuff like
by these kids, they're like the uh you know, back
when he was doing the COVID classrooms and stuff. This
one kid was like out of an amusement park. I
think he had these filters up and it was like
can you tell yours? Yeah, I just imagine that these
(40:13):
people are had like bush gardens when he's supposed to
be in me waiting one of the long ass lines.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
So you've seen the guy. You've seen the guy where
the funny thing is the guy like will put like
a greens He had like this backpack with yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, the things
set up man, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
He was doing his thing. Man, this is crazy probably
right there.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Like sorry, I'm like, why is the is the is
the wind blowing side? Like yeah, wait no, I'm I'm
in I'm in my office. Can't you see him?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Man? Dude, like hey bad Like yeah, man, I man,
I have seen some of the craziest stuff man, Like,
I'm not gonna get into it on the call, Like,
if you want to talk to me afterwards, I'll show you.
But I know some things about some people on some
phone calls.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I'm not gonna talk about it for real.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Why you bringing up there if you ain't gonna share
that's the stuff that people want to hear about this
stuff things.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Supposed to about.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
I don't seen people like well, I don't know, but
I've had people tell me like certain things going on.
I mean they do like, hey, I'm gonna they can't
see me, so that's they just go all in.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
What I'm like crafting this stuff is coming to mind,
Like what kind of scene of these these people doing
with the camera.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't I wouldn't do any
any of those things.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
But yeah, I mean I have, like, you know, started
a meeting, like I've woken up late after like a
crazy night, just wake.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Up late and just like roll over and start a meeting.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
It's like, oh my god, bro, Like one time I
was still read it's one time, bro, Like I started
a meeting. I'm laying in my bed with my phone
up like this and I'm like, and I made mistake
and hitting their rown. But in turn the camera on
like nothing but behead posts behind my head, and I'm like,
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oh shit, turn the thing up.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
So here's the thing you need to here's the thing
you need to make sure you're careful. I didn't know this,
but somebody told me this before. I didn't even know this. Right.
So you're sitting there and you're on the camera, like
I guess if you had your camera on. I think
it's like a setting and somebody I can't remember, but
like if you have your camera on on one meeting
and then you go to the next meeting, it automatically
has the camera on. Yeah, so like you think you're
going to remember yeah, yeah, like so, but I don't
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like that. We don't like that.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
But you can set it in the setting and say, hey,
always started to meeting with my camera off or on
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
I don't know. About all fs.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
So it depends on you know, what a been using,
if that's a feature or not. Because some people use Zoom,
some people use teams, some people use Google Me. So
it's independs interesting.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I'm not a fan of teams, to be honest. I
think I'm just like used to using Google Me.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Well, I mean, so here's the thing, brother, I mean,
of course I'm not gonna advocate. I mean, I try
to be as impartial as I can when I'm on
the show. But it's a it's a matter of preference, brother,
you know, like if you like, I know some people
that are swear uping down iPhone is better. I prefer Android.
(43:22):
It's it's a it's a you know, use a product,
you know, depending on what you think is better. Yeah,
it's what you're used to, what you like.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, I agree with that one hundred percent. Like it
depends what you used to and that that was that
was what I was saying. I'm more used to using
you know, Google Meat, you know, for for for the
chat piece. And it's just like I can't find my
ship when I go to teams. It's like I know
how to do this with this other tool, and that's why.
That's why I don't you know, this whole agnostic thing.
(43:49):
It's like it could be a problem. You know, you're
trying to be vent their agnostic because your team is
acclimated to using this tool with a certain tool to
do a certain thing, and it's gonna take some time
for that conversion to happen where they know how to
do those similar things do similar things on on other
said platform or whatever device or or application. So yeah,
(44:12):
that's something kind of take note of. But yeah, I
think I think we've I think we've probably cracked the
riddle and come to a consensus as far as like
this whole wellcam thing, and it seems like we agree.
I mean, we voted on it, not like really really,
but in my head, we voted on it, and we've
decided that you guys should turn your cameras on so
(44:34):
people can see I know some of y'all are pooping
during meetings, and pinch it off and flush white wash
your hands too, because that's nasty if you don't, and
you know, join the meeting so people can see you,
you know. And that's that's all I got to say
about it.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
And remember proper mic etiquette proper mic. Yeah, flush or
when you go to the bathroom, don't don't wind up
like Naked Gun. You remember Naked Gun. Would dude was
had the mic on in the bathroom. He was doing No,
he wasn't dropping ball. He had like the like that
League of her own pe. He's like paying for like
(45:14):
five minutes and.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
He's singing and singing and everything in the toilet like
hold on, just unloaded, draining it all loaded up.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Remember leaking at the Remember he came in the next
day from a drunk slooper and this was like, my gosh.
So just for reference the Naked Gun, which they're actually
they were actually remaking it, which is funny. Leslie Nielsen played,
you know, Frank Drebbon and he was doing a speech
and he left the mic on like right here where
(45:48):
he was and then he he left the stage, went
in the bathroom and was just like load it up.
He's like he's just like shaking, like like oh yeah,
I mean it was crazy, bro, It was the funniest thing.
And I just remember that. I remember that from all
think that's why every time I go to the bathroom,
(46:08):
because sometimes I do have my handset on on you know,
the conference. Might I be like, man, that I'm mute because.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I'm just start doing that on my pee man saying
Lord of the.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
So here's a crazy part, right you ever? Like, like,
I know I can put my microphone on mute and
I know everything like that. But as soon as you go.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Up, somebody gonna say your name.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
I had this thing off safety the whole damn time,
and as soon as I put it on safety, somebody
got what do you think?
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Like? What?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Why do you You never cared about what I thought
the first twenty five minutes?
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Why are you caring about what I think? Right now?
As we get ready to close out? Like, what do
you mean? Man? Like I try to stay out the
way man?
Speaker 3 (46:53):
But that's so crazy, dude. That's so funny, Dude, that's
so funny.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
It's crazy because it's a universal thing.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Man. It's like the universe is doing things to you,
right crazy.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
But yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
As we close this thing out, though, I mean it's
it's I don't I'm not gonna say we learned anything new,
but it's funny to know that we all experience like
the same stuff, right, But I think I do think
it's important to not like some of the important reasons
(47:33):
for like having your camera open. You know, communication is
definitely constrained when you don't have the visual aspect, you know,
but I don't be remiss if I didn't. You know,
let you guys know, if you have a topic that
you think we should talk about, or if it's a
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Speaker 2 (49:51):
Up for this huge conference.
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Speaker 2 (50:06):
Brother and two of my other brothers.
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Uh, we're gonna be uh delivering a course on you know,
deploying in securing cubernets clusters for beginners right as of now.
I got an email saying that the course was was full,
(50:28):
but I checked to see if they can open capacity.
I'm not sure like what the what the room holds,
but I tell them, like the you know, add to
more seats if they could, just because I have more
help than I thought I was gonna have in delivering
the course. So be on the lookout for that that
those seats maybe opened up if you would like to
join the course and learn a little bit about Kubernetes.
(50:50):
It's a great tool, great platform to use. But uh yeah,
and just you know, like I said, lock in and
let us know what you think about Joe, you got
the thing you want to talk to the people about
it before we close this out?
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Ridge, No, No, really, I mean I got a few
things going on, but it's it's some of the stuff.
It's like he's going or you have to be going
to a certain university to be a part of it.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
We still on interviews. We still on interviews during during
during the conference or not.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
You might be doing interviews. Definitely would I would. I
would love to. I would love to. Last we did
uh for this case. You guys are a little We
did some really awesome interview stuff interviews interview cycle while
we were at east Side sat Pete's last year. That
was really really fun, really really cool. A lot of
people gave us some positive feedback on that.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
So yeah, and I got some I got some swag too,
can be at conference check us out. We got some swag,
some conference based swag, and we also have some swag
that's just us, you know, just our stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
I brand some real cool stuff, you know toes. I
definitelyntil my time with the designs on these. Think you
guys look like it. Definitely look us up. I'll be dropping.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
I'm trying to like set up a online prisons people
can kind.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Of like pop in and order swag as.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
They want without having to go through us. But just
for right now, I just kind of like or my
handful of shirts that you know, people can kind of
like pull it from me if they if they feel so,
feel the need to. But yeah, man, without without like,
you know, pushing this thing a little bit longer, let's
close it off. I don't know, I kind of I
(52:29):
kind of felt like I was supposed to say something else,
but nothing came. Like usually I opened my mouth and
things come out, you know what I mean, words come out,
but uh, yeah, it didn't happen right then.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
That was kind of weird.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
So when he was like on the phone his manager
and his management know what to say. He was like,
all right, man, He was like.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Play that next time.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
They like, it's to do that, Okay, it'll clip and
plaga
Hey, y'all, welcome back to another episode of Them Tech Folks. Okay,
we're coming back in and hot with episode twenty eight, right,
me and Reggie we're gon we're gonna do it. O Loo,
just the guys. It's time around and we actually trying
a new format, and we hope y'all liked that. We
talked about, you know, the decisions around going with the
new format, which is not a new format per se.
(00:22):
We've been meaning to do this for a minute, but
we just kind of got around to doing it. But
we really discussed webcams. You know, a lot of you
guys probably wonder what well cam. This is just like
an easy conversation that we can start out with, so
it was kind of fun talking about webcams. We can't
have a show on thing without talking about AI nowadays,
(00:43):
so we definitely hit on that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
And then you know, some of the last stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
That we hit on, which is probably the most important
stuff right now with this week if you're in the
Tampa Bay area, because this week we got a B
sides Tampa twenty twenty five that's in the full effect
right and yours truly is going to be delivering a class,
an eight hour of course on couberineated security and deploying
kuberinates full beginners. So I'm going to be doing that
(01:11):
with a few of my friends. It's going to be
a pretty exciting class. Got word last week that we
actually sold out, So if you didn't make it this
time around, check us out next time. We may try
another conference if it works out well and it's well received,
so being a lookout for that.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
But without further ado, I hope y'all enjoyed the show.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I hope we didn't cut up too too much and
get us get ourselves cancer.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
But yeah, let us know.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
What you think, Like what the why do people want
to turn their cameras off?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Like what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I mean, hopefully my manager doesn't watch this podcast. My manager,
you kind of add that little piece on there, just
so you know you it's not a real person.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Hell sir key stuff back.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I appreciate you clarifying, because I thought I was gonna
have to, you know, exit by crazy, take crazy out
and insert weird. I don't know if that's better, because
that is that still offensive. I don't want to trigger
nobody for real.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Why you bring it up?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Then?
Speaker 2 (02:23):
If you ain't gonna share.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
That's the stuff that people want to hear about, the
stuff things supposed to about.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Like I just wanted to like put my headphones and
go in the corner because I just didn't want to
you know, it was hard for me to interact.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I know some of y'all are pooping during meetings.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
And why do you you never cared about what I
thought that first five minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Why are you caring about what I think right now
as we get ready to close out? Like, what do
you mean? Man? Like I.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Can't take no loss.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I don't even know where they cast hit the ground,
then to go hit the ground, then to go Yeah,
I can't take no loss.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I don't even know what hit the ground. That so
soft weak thing, man.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I see there it is again. No, I really haven't
had time for it.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Man.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Oh you know what, you know what I think might
be going on? They got this new requirement for us
where to access any resources. They gotta you gotta do
this azure VPN thing. So I just turned off VPN.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Like it's not working rightfully?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Ah well, I noticed the upload wasn't working, So you know,
I think the upload is working now. It was it
was kind of like stalling. So maybe it'll catch up now. Yeah, man,
it's a new new rule. Man can access internal some
of their internal resources without the VPN now so.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, I mean I'm surprised. That's a new rule of surprising.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, exactly right, exactly right, exactly right. So so for
another soft thing. Man, So I got I got invited
to a few things, but it's just not I just
didn't have had the time. And plus, you know, my
wife works like first three days out of the week,
you know, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesdays or Saturday, Sunday Monday, so
usually a ride for me those days. I got a
bazaar and stuff like that. I may try to hit
(04:13):
something tomorrow is my plan. Definitely Thursday if I can. Yeah,
you know, I don't know what's going on though, because
I ain't really tuned in like I used to be
when I used to work over a sinkom.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
So I have no idea what's out there. I'm gonna
check it out. Like they like our company, I know you.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Need I know you need tickets though, right, they go
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Well, well we support sok On, so I gotta I
gotta sok On, you know. So you know, earn it registered,
but I wasn't gonna go because like there was at
first it was like telling us we had to like
we had to use PTO to go, and I was like, nah.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You don't have to use PTO for happy hour.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
That's you know.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
But you know, I actually enjoy like walking around looking
at the new tech and talking to people. You know
what I'm saying to the different vendors about like what
they got going on. You know, sometimes some cool shit.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
You know. I would love, though, man, be really really cool,
Like if I could take my son to see those.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Demos, that would be cool, because like that one year
they probably got it, got it now.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
But I think last year they had the robot dog,
you know what I mean. I think kids are like
that shit.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
No, I think I think the coolest one I saw
was that when they were like doing like boats and
helicopters and all that stuff out in the water. Oh yeah,
out over the bay like that. Yeah. It's like, I'm
really appreciating doing the solo shows. I mean, we can
do guests, and I appreciate guests, you know, as always,
but sometimes I think a lot of podcasts and you know,
(05:44):
just us talking is actually good too. I think sometimes
I'm digging the whole. That's why I feel like the
concept of us just getting on here talking is good too.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I mean I think I think this is like we
shouldn't have made this our primary, you know what I mean.
We kind of got caught up in doing it. I
enjoy doing the interviews, Like it's cool hearing about you know,
other people who's like journeying how they got in the
take is very interesting stuff, and I think that's very
appealing to like people that are hopeful to get into tech.
That was kind of like why I was really like
(06:12):
beating that drune so hard. But I do feel like
the reason why we got into this space of doing
the podcast and so we can kind of like you know,
talk about the things that we find to be interesting
and the concerns that we have, and you know, just
our outlook about you know, what's going on in the
industry and what's going on in our own careers, you
know what I mean. So it's kind of like we're
doing our own type interview, you know, type shit. But yeah,
(06:37):
I'm glad we definitely came back around, you know, eventually
to start having these conversations because I mean, we have
a lot of good conversations whether we go to you know,
cigar in the National and we kind of like doing
our own thing, working and having a little conversation, you know,
with some drinks or you know, a cigar too or whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
So yeah, So with that being said, though, I did
write down a couple a couple of topics we should cover, right,
just because.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You wrote down some topics, Well, I told organized, Well,
I'm not organized.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
So here's the thing. Bro. I can do really, I
can do really good when I wing it. But sometimes,
you know, my wife told me, like the other day,
she was like I was in this meeting and she
was in the kitchen and I'm in the office talking
and she was like, yeah, you were kind of messing
up in the beginning. It's like yeah, because I just
kind of went in there and didn't know what I
was gonna say, and I just and she was like
at the beginning, I mean if she said eventually you know,
(07:34):
but yeah, but at first I was like I wasn't stuttering,
but you know, I was like a lot. So that's
why I kind of like to at least yeah, in
the meaning it was my meaning when a meeting. Yeah,
I was, well, you know, So the thing about it is,
(07:59):
I can't get so sometimes. So sometimes dude, when I
when I be like going on these weird teams, I'd
be like, ah, let me. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
But this is an internal So the funny thing about
it is is that it was my meeting. I called it,
and I wrote the agenda and everything for it. I
(08:20):
just it was just one of those days.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Man.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
You know, it's back to back to back, and I
was just like, ah, man, I got this, mean now
I'm ready to call it today, and you best believe
I cut it short. I was like, hey, y'all got
anything else because I'm about to wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I had the camera on like this, Yeah, I have
cameras on what we.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Do internal sometimes, especially when it's my meeting.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I used to have my camera all the time, but
it was it started getting weird because I'm like the
only person with my camera, and so I just like
started turning ship off. Bro.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That is definitely a topic of thought, a thought process.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Right, cameras off?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Like what the why do people want to turn their
cameras off?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Like what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I mean, hopefully My manager doesn't watch this podcast.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
My manager everybody this podcast.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
But my manager always has a camera on, and when
she does a one on one, she wants your camera on. Yeah,
especially when she's doing a one on one because she's like,
I like that when I she likes to read people's reaction.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, of course, I mean that's the that's the big
that's the big reason for having your camera on because
you know, so much conversation on, so much communication, right
gets exactly nonverbal communication gets lost when you don't have
the visual you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
So it's always good to have cameras on it.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I feel, you know, just like read people's expression and
get a vibe of like, okay, we how we call
enjoying it, you know what I'm saying, or they kind
of like not really liking it, but they don't want
to say something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I think that's important.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So and you know, the best one is the nonverbal communication.
When you forget your cameras on, that's another good verbal communication.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
What do you mean.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
We had? I've been on a couple of calls when
people forgot the camera was on and it was pretty funny. Wow,
I'm surprised somebody didn't get can I'm surprised somebody didn't
get canceled because the camera was on. They were mocking
somebody with cam didn't realize the camera was on. I
was like, wow, dude, you know somebody had to break
in and be like, you know, that's really really rude.
I can't believe you're doing that. Did you? I was like,
(10:33):
whoa did that?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
It was?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
It was crazy dude. So for everybody out there, man,
if you if you decided to go on camera, do
remember your camera is on and your mic is hot too,
because uh yeah, it can get it can get weird
if you don't pay attention.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
That could be a situation hot.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Imagine a hot mic, Imagine a hot camera.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
But I mean, like the hot mic is like more
of an issue because you're more likely to not notice
the little mite icon, not because what is like they
got aligned through.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
It or not. You may or may not see that.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
But when your camera zone, you can usually see yourself
on the screen. You know what I mean, It ain't
you know, it don't mean no matter how many people
are in that meeting, your your little screen is going
to be there. If your camera zon, you know, what
I mean, So you're just not paying attention.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
See that when you see your face light up, that's
what I'll be checking for.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
So but yeah, man, you know a lot you know
a lot of the people that I see as we
talk about the whole expressions and everything like that, a
lot of people I see they always turn the camera
on or or I don't want to say they're salespeople,
but they're sales type people.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, because any that stuff exactly right.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
They need I want to if I'm trying to sell something,
I want to see your face. I want to see
how when I try to you know, like, hey, how
do you like this product? I mean that's part of sales, right,
reading that nonverbal body language. That's why a lot of
salespeople like to go in person, a lot like can
I come in for a site visit as opposed to
like some teams called teams is great, but it's nothing
(12:07):
like that up close and personal reading people's body language.
I mean, that's and that's part of the thing that's
missing and a lot of remote work, right because most
people never turn the cameras on, you know that never Why.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Do people turn them off, though.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
It's my question, like, why do you think people like
have a preference for turning the camera.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You think they're like just doing other shit.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Most of the time, you're doing other stuff. A lot
of times when you're at home, you're in home, right,
Like I know, I know, I know. One girl, she
she was telling me that she started working from home
and she was having challenges working from home. So what
she did was is that when she woke up in
the morning, she got dressed like she was going to
(12:50):
the office. Most people don't do that.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Oh, so she's got a ritual to kind of like
snap herself into that persona I guess, but she does.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
She does that by dressing the part. I'll be completely
honest with you. Before I get on this interview, I
had like a ragged I had like a house T
shirt on. I had to throw on a polo and
I'm usually in that house T shirt before I get
on camera.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
For real. It could have been worse. Mean, you could
have said you was wearing a momo or something.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
You know what, if it's comfortable, I ain't mad at nobody.
I ain't mad at Look. If it's comfortable and you
feel like it's comfortable at home. If you're home by yourself,
you know, he committed. I'm not the one to do it,
but I understand that. I understand the power of being
comfortable at home.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I appreciate you clarifying because I thought I was gonna
have to, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Exit you know the funny thing, I actually keep a
shirt in a drawer.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
I have a drawer, go back and committed to it.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I have a shirt keep in the drawer. So if
I know I'm gonna be on.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Camera, I just just shirt go down to your knees.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
No, it's a work shirt. It's a work Like if
I'm at home and I got on my house clothes,
if I need to get on camera, I have my
little work shirt, right, I pull it out the drawer
and I pop it on real quick and I say, okay, bam,
cameras on.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Like I've heard of people like having like a hat
even hanging outside the door of the office, the home office,
and when they go into work, they put the hat
on and that's the signal that yeah, dad is at work,
and they snap to it, I guess, you know. And
when they get off, they take the hat off, and
that's that's how they separate their personal and work live.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I mean luckily, well, luckily, I don't have a household
like that right where I got like a full household.
I have to control that. Usually most of the day
when I'm at work, my son's at school, so and
my wife's usually in the bed because she works nice.
And I go and you know me, man, I go
to the office a lot. And when I take the office,
I mean my office.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
What you see single International is your office. That's your
home office.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
They don't, you know, we don't have an office in
Tampa anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
So they got rid of that one. Yeah, man, wow, yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
That's my So that's my office. And I said, but hey,
what are you doing? I'm going to the office. But
she knows.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
She knows.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
She knows when I say I'm going to the office,
she knows exactly where I'm going.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Did she pack your lunch?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
If I ask you to, she will. She can be
a sweetheart. Sometimes sometimes you get on my.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Nose sometimes, dang, where you're not doing your stuff in
those favors you can lie, I'm gonna explod you.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
The thing about it is like, and I sit in
that same seat most of the time too, because that's
right by the plug and everything. I had them double
monitors hooked up battery Russlow.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Man, it's good stuff. Man, it's good stuff. I like.
I like it up there because it's big, it's open.
I can talk loud as I want, Like I've been
to I've been to some other places and when you
get on the phone and you start talking to people
be like why are you going to be so loud?
You know, or they kind of look over at you,
or they kind of listening on your conversation out there.
Everybody mind the business. I never seen nobody like leaning
over it with the ear like listening to what I'm saying. Well, yeah,
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because everybody everybody mind in their business and a lot
of times people working just like I am.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I've never had that happen to me though, like in public,
like if I was like working somewhere, I've never had
anybody like, well, I've never caught somebody like trying to
pry into like what I have, you know, going on
on my system.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's that's like weird energy.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Right now, y'all you look up as somebody's like looking
over your show, what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Hell? Surry key stuff back?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Oh, I got a prophecy screen on my mind because
I know I work out. I know I work remote
a lot, so I put up I bought a privacy screen.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah yeah, I haven't had that problem, so I don't
have I probably should have a privacy screen. I guess
if I'm working, you know, in the wild.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
In a while, you wouldn't nigga work boy working in
the jungle.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I feel like the jungle sometimes. Man, people love it,
you know. Yeah, man, people love characters bro so unpredictable
at times, you know, but it's the crazy where we
live in it is.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Man.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I'm I'm I'm right here grinding every day, so I
feel the I feel the pain that everybody goes through
when they say it's a jungle. So, you know, one
of the things, you know, it was one of the
things I kind of I kind of want to bring
to you today that I want to talk about. And honestly,
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I thought there would be something that you'd be like,
oh yeah, man, I'm feeling that it was. It was
a topic that was brought up by somebody else. I
have a I don't know if you know my boy Elliott,
we interviewed him before. Yeah, Elliott's really.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Really Elliott feels, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
He's really in the dev ops and stuff, right, like,
you know, stuff like that. So one of the things
they talked about was, uh, and I wrote this down
the death of local dev environments a cloud based dev
environments the future.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, I think so, man, you know, they got they
got some pretty good you know, web web did ease
and and so you don't even have to have like
a lot of stuff on your on your local system
like two lidge wise, you know. So that's a that's
a pretty good conversation though.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah, I thought about you, and that's when I heard it. Yeah,
the pros the cons, what it means for the other
thing that they brought up, and it was pros cons
and what it means for onboarding and security.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
I think that'd be a good conversation, and you know,
call him back. And there's there's some other dev dev
ops death sick op types that we've had on the
show that I think having two of those guys in
to talk about, you know, how they both see it
from their coiners of that that that segment within the industry,
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I think that'd be a great discussion.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
So what's your thoughts on it?
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Though I'm not I'm not. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I don't think I'm like as like entrenched in it
to have a real opinion about it, you know, because
I don't really do you know, a whole whole lot
like development. I wrote more on infrastructure platform.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
But I mean real life. You know, you don't have
a bunch of service and switches for your labs and
stuff anymore, right, you know what I mean. I don't
all my lab. All my lab, even my on prem
environment is in the cloud. Now, I don't do I
bought I gave my my ESX hosts per se like
it was my old ESX host. I gave it to
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my son for his computer.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Now.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
So you say when you say local de vibs versus
cloud dead vibs, right, I'm thinking like the vibs.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
I'm thinking, I'm thinking of environments.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Okay, So that's yeah, it's different. That's different for me.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, yeah, I know. But for me, that's when I
when I think about when I hear the term environments
and developing environments and stuff like that, I get what
you're saying.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It sounds like you're speaking more for like local infrastructure
versus cloud infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yes, okay, that too.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
That was part of the conversation too. Maybe I should
have should have went to that, but the whole went
from like dev ops and developing to like you know,
you know, standing up labs. I mean it kind of
evolved into that right, Like it was like one of
those situation was like, yeah, man, my lab, and you know,
I have a DevOps. When I want to stand up
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a lab, I hit a button that spent. It spends
up a lab and it adds everything I wanted it
and then when I want to I just tear it
down and then I spent another one up when I
have another something going on. And it was kind of
going into that conversation.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah, instructure piece, Yeah, that.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Was and I was really impressed with that conversation. I
don't know much about it. I can follow the instructions,
but I can't do it.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's a that's a real thing.
There's a lot of and there's.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
A lot of conversation that you had about that, and
there's a lot of conversation that we had about using
you know, the new tools you know, to to create
these tools or create these things. There's a lot of
AI based systems that will do a lot of this
stuff or will create the place in the the code
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even right for a lot of this stuff, the stuff
that I've seen and done and played with, it don't
really seem like all the way there, to be honest,
But it's not too far off though.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I've been able to get.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Like, you know, seventy you know, seventy percent, I guess,
which is a significant you don't have to like you
at least got like a good scaffling to play with,
you know, and build from. That's better than like building
something from scratch, you know. And then the other thing
I enjoy about that versus like, you know, piecemealing something
together from scratch, is that it'll generally give you, like,
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you know, some some information about different components within your code,
especially if it's something that you're not really doing often. Okay,
well I haven't used that, uh, that type of I
don't know, conditional or whatever. Right, maybe maybe you're a
little rustie on using conditionals within.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Him. You know, I'm playing around with him right now.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So the way they the way they do loops and
and if statements and stuff like that, it's a little
new because of the syntax. So yeah, maybe you have
a question about that you can like get a little
bit more fidelity about that certain aspect within the code.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Can you explain this? And I mean it's cool.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
You know, it's like having like a smart guy right
there where he's telling you, hey, you can do this
thing that you're trying to do like this, and then
you got like a little follow up question that you
can ask and you don't have to like reverb everything.
It's just like you just kind of go into it.
And it's like having a conversation with a person. You know,
obviously it's not a person, but you got.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
To add that little piece on there. It's just so
you know it's not a real person. They're not your friend.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
I saw like this article.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I don't know if it was like trolling or or
if it was like legitimate, but they was saying that
when people say thank you to a models causes like
millions of dollars in like additional workload.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
It wastes resources because it doesn't it doesn't care like
and when you address it and stuff like that, when
you say, like, hey, you know, because what the thing
about it is right when you when you're when you
say thank you, especially to a voice code. Most of
the time it does how you're welcome, and that's processing
this ridiculous. Doesn't need to do that, right, Yeah, but
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I've even started saying like people say, like, you know,
don't even start with a greeting. I know some people say, hey,
how's it going, co, how's.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
It going chest?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
That's crazy, right, Like I feel like that's like crazy,
you know.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I mean, I don't want to be I'm not meaning.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I don't mean to sound offensive when I said it's
crazy by crazy, take crazy out and insert weird. I
don't know if that's better. Is that still offensive? I
don't want to trigger nobody. But it's different, right, It's different,
will go different. It's different because you use the salutations,
you know, and giving thanks to something that really it's
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not a person, you know, and granted, I know you
don't have to be a person. People think they pets
for doing doing the right things and stuff like that.
But it's like you're thinking cold and you're you're saying
good morning too cold. Just that's different, you know, like
should we be doing that? Like why why would you
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do that?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You know?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Does it feel some type of does it feel disrespected
if you just come and ask for something and it's
going to retort with like, hey, look man, you can
at least say good morning.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Could you imagine? Could you imagine, dude, could you imagine
if was like, you can at least say good morning?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, Like, damn mother, do you treat your wife like this?
God getting sad.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
But I will tell you I was shout out to
the moon Shots. It's a podcast where they.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Have like next level people moon Shots.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, it's a yeah, it's a part. It's a podcast
where they have next level people. We're talking like people
that are major venture capitalists billions of dollars and invented
all kinds of stuff. You never even heard of this. Yeah.
So they did talk about campionship. Yeah, I mean either bro.
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But there is something called the Abundant. There is something
called an Abundance convention Abundance, which is the name of
the convention. I was like, dang, that sounds pretty cool.
But they did say that one of the number one
business models for AI in the future will be companionship.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I can see that. I can see that. I mean,
I think they're already like playing with that.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Somewhere.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
There's digital girlfriends. Yeah, I mean, that's that's that's the thing. Man,
that's a thing. So we talk, we do that because
of this, you know, maybe we are looking for that
that is that human connection that people are looking for,
especially if we're staying in the house and not really
interacting with people.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Right, that's different.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And and by way, I just want to say, I'm
not included in that week. I like, I like coloring up,
you know, with with with something warm and soft. Machine
is not gonna be that. I don't I can't see
machine being that bro not for me. I'm too old
school for that. I lead that to like the the
young ones, but shout out to whoever needs it though,
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you know, because I mean, mental health is a thing.
That's another you know, conversation that that needs to be
had more. You know, I think we've hit it a
few times. Yeah, but that needs to be its own show,
you know, because that's a real thing, you know, mental health.
Uh you know, uh, interpersonal you know, conflict within the workplace,
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that's that's the thing. You know, a lot of people
you know that I talk to, they don't know how
to navigate these situations. You know, they don't know how
to you know, reach out when they're struggling with something
in their personal lives because they feel it's a grieved
encroachment upon their professional lives, and unfortunately, they put a
higher presence on their professional lives and their personal lives
because you know, there's an obligation to provide. And that's
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that's a hard that's a hard scenario to slice. But
we we we we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll get to
that when we when we talk about that, I think
right now we're supposed to be talking about what are
these people doing with their damn cameras off?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Man? Like, what are y'all doing?
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Man?
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Are y'all like naked? Are you you?
Speaker 1 (27:34):
You walking around with like a T shirt and underwear
on like boxes or something, they little flops.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I'm pretty sure that. I'm pretty sure the answers yes
and yes, that's crazy. I've never been bold enough to
do the whole sitting in the media. I mean, I've
never been old enough to just be sitting in the
underwear on a call or something like that. I've never
had that bold yes, but I know that I'm sure
there's some people that.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Have not even know like not underwear, but like not
even pajamas. You ain't set up there like some basketball.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's in the AH shirt.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Now I have like, okay, I have like I have
like like you know, after this meeting, I gotta go
run an errand or something like that, so I'll change
clothes like while the camera while I'm on the meeting.
But I make sure the camera's off, and most of
the time the mic is off too, and I like
hit the button because I have a conference mic, right
So that's a big thing. When my mic is off.
My mic is when my mic is on. It's a microphone.
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When it's off, I have a big red button sitting there.
So if I don't look and see that big red button,
I'm assuming my mic is on.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
But do you use this micro right here that you're
using right now.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
No, I have a when I'm when I'm at work,
I have a teams it's like a team's uh conference puck.
It's like a little puck. It's like this big and
it has a team's logoing at a phone, has a
volume and it has a little microphone. Yeah. Well, no,
(28:57):
I had like this little cheap one from Amazon because
I don't I don't like to have Yeah, I had
this little cheap like conference mic from Amazon because.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
I don't like to, Like, no, it's not expensive to
trust me.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
That's probably why it wasn't the greatest thing. But no,
I don't like to like sit with headphones on all day.
I mean, like I put on headphones for the show
and when I'm out, uh you know, I put on
headphones because sometimes, you know, you can't really do a
conference MIC when it's when you're out in the open.
But like when I'm sitting at home, I have I
have conference microphones. Like I have like a conference microphone.
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I had one before. I wasn't bold enough to go
with all out with the real hardcore conference mic. But
my company they sell this little uh you know, it's
like a little small one that's made just for It's
made just for like teams integration.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
So I use that.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
It's hilarious that you say, mic up. Is it like
it's like some little small some little small coffy. Hey man,
you know I don't like to Yeah, just like everybody
knows the gop bro.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, well they don't know it because I walk around
like black black blasting about it. They know because you know,
just in conversation. But it's really cool, man. It's like
it's like I don't know if I can't really show
it on camera.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Because it's if you want to know Reggie's company, you
look him up on LinkedIn.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
I can't. I can't show it because it's it's hooked
to the back of my copeter. I don't want to
do all that. But it's about this big It has
a little like I said, it has a volume and
a little red mic. That's the most important thing, you know,
you talk about with your hot mic when the mic
is you're muted when the mic is red, and I'm
always like, is it off? And I look and I
see it's red. Yep, it's off. All right, let's go.
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But this mic is just this mic right here is
just for the podcast because it's it's it's you know,
it's it's a much better mic.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
So I know he keep like jumping in and out
his thing. I think it's an important thing, right, this
whole you know, meetings with the camera on type thing.
It's so important that my company, right, they said, like,
you know, all all hands you have to have your
camera on hmm, which is crazy because like still like
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people still don't have the camera.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
How many people be in the audiends.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
We got a small company.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Bro Like, I think we were like we might be
at one hundred people, you know, but yeah, it's it's
a handful of people, say full of people.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
But yeah, I think it's important.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I think I think it's important to know and see people,
you know, because a lot of bro Like when I
was at red Hat, I didn't meet I was talking
to these people for like over a year, you know,
because the first time we had a conference while I
was there, it got it got came because of weather,
COVID cod No, because I came in like.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
After that was done.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I think it might have been COVID too. Yeah, it
might have been COVID, you know, COVID COVID because like
the first year, I think we didn't have it because
of COVID, but then maybe that next year.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
But whenever I got my.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
First conference, that was the first time I met a
lot of people that I had been working with over
a year. And so to be able to like see people,
it's like, okay, cool. And even even then, it's like
a lot of times you just would only see people's
like pictures because a lot of them didn't want to
be on camera.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
You don't see like a steal image, which that is
it can give you like some kind of inkland of
what a person looks like, but it doesn't really do
justice to like the real animated person.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Man, I met a few people, so we had our
first in person. This is like about a year or
two ago, and man, let me tell you something I
could not And I kept catching myself because I was like,
stop saying it, Reggie, because I was like, look, it
was one guy. I was like, he looked like a
little tiny Poindexter in his camera. This dude was like
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six foot five or six foot four, like talking about basketball,
like what like, dude, you man, you got me bro?
Because I saw him and it was this other cat
uh he you know, he got a suit on his
small on camera. I was like this dude, And when
I say big, I'm talking about linebacker big, not like
not like like overweight. Like I saw him in person
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and I was like.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Holy crap, you are fatista.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah. I was like, dude, you are. And I kept
saying it over and I was like, dang, I hope
I did defend him because I just it just kept
coming out, like man, you're a big fun It just
kept kept coming out.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
My director for the first time in real life. I
was like, bro, you're a lot tall. Thought you was
gonna be because like I don't know, like looking at
picture and he didn't.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
He didn't sun you did it? Nah, No, that's right,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
But it was like you like he tall, like you know,
because he was like a he's a slender you know guy,
and know you really see it like shoulder up.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
You know type shit.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
And I was just like this dude, one of those
six three six for some stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
See one of those guys like to have a camera.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
I don't know if he liked to have it on.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I mean, he's the director's I didn't really like interface
with him like a whole whole lot.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
But I did talk to.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Him quite a few times though, but it just went
like it wasn't like as much as you know, to
be able to answer that question for me at least.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's crazy, bro. Like the difference.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
I think I think people should.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
A lot of people have a hard time like speaking, oh,
speaking in front of people. I mean, so for you
to not have people that can see you, I think
that may be eases in a little bit. Even though
that's the reasoning for people having a potential reason for
people having their cameras out. I don't think it's an
adequate justification thing. You know, people should really work out
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those reservations about speaking, you know, participating in like a
toast mask or you know, do something like.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
That's the reason why I like when I do my.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Training, mental ship coaching type stuff with people that's trying
to get into the space. I try to get them
to present, you know, so you can get more comfortable
and confident while doing those things. Because when you interview,
your camera is gonna be own, bro. You know, if
you're not sitting right there across a table from people,
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if it's a panel, or even if it's an individual
a one on one interview, if it's virtual, your camera
is going to be your own.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Well honestly, man, I mean I get it right, because
being an introvert is a real thing, and.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
It's something you have to just if you want to
be in I mean, I hate to say it, but
if you want to be in this world of corporate face,
you know, like I don't know, I don't even know
the word I want to use, but it's just something
you have to learn how to manage it is. I
cannot begin to tell you how hard it is for
me ruggle. Like I went to I went to the
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Mothership a couple of months ago. And when I say,
like our home corporate office, right, and when I tell
you for people like me being there, having all those
people there, and it was like a conference of like
really sharp people. I I mean luckily I had my
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wife and support me type of thing. Because I was
really like, it's just really it's really hard to get
freaking out. Yeah. Man, I just was like I just
was like I just wanted to like put my headphones
and go in the corner because I just didn't want to.
You know, it was hard for me to interact because
I'm like, how do I talk? You get frozen, right,
how do I talk?
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Palms of sweaty just vomited my mom spaghetti type ship.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
If you want to do that, you son of a gun.
But but yeah, I mean like.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
It's like that. I mean, you get you get dirt.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
And the thing is, you know that people probably see
you and they don't see that, right, They expect they
think you're cool as you good. You know, because when
when people see you present, unless you just made some
obvious mistake.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
They don't know these little mistakes that you make.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
They don't know when you stutter your words unless it's
a pronounced thing.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
You know.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
But that doesn't take away the nerve, like you get
your nerves get crazy when you got to do these things.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
And it's not even that because the thing, the thing
I hate and despise that I don't never want to happen.
And it's actually, believe it or not, this actually happened
to me one time with my one of my wife.
One of my wife's coworkers went to her because she
was because we went to an event and you know,
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typical stuff. I struggle to talk right like the you know, like, hey,
how's it going.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
You're you know husband, just like in a conversation.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeah, I'm struggling right right right, I'm struggling to talk.
You know. They told my wife they thought I was arrogant.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
What Yeah, I'm like talking a lot, right Is that why?
That's crazy?
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Like you not talking because you may be shy, but
then they assume that you're arrogant or you're stuck up
or you think that's like you know, and that's like
the same stuff that a lot of us kind of
went through in school.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Probably. You know, it's like you.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Don't really like jump out there because you're nervous, and
then people assume, though you just don't want to talk
to him, because yeah, that's crazy. So yeah, it could
it could hurt you. You know, there's worse things than
stumbling over your words when you're talking. You could like
get yourself screwed up by not talking and leaving people
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to their own devices, you know, to construct the reality
that you are not really playing an active role in
crafting you.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Know my goodness.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Brother, Yeah, that's that's that's how this thing works. Though.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
You can either you can either play a part in it,
or you can let somebody else construct who you are
in the story because you're you know, you and your story,
but you and everybody else's story too, you know what
I mean. So yeah, you gotta you gotta be intentional
about that stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, I go deep, man, it's saying, it's saying all
jokes and good looks.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Brother, go deep.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
I'm about to mess it up signing intelligence for a second.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
You want to intelligence, I can't hold it long, man.
We don't do it anyat Bro.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
We don't do that. We don't do that. We don't
do that.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Say smart stuff when I'm holding my brother gotta I
got a smooth forty five second. But yeah, man, that's
that's all I got about it, Bro. I was just
curious about it, Like I really wonder what people are like.
I don't know, you like playing with your dogs or something.
It's just like I don't think it's bothered me, but
(39:50):
it's just I'm just super curious about it, you know,
like because because you see the memes and stuff like
by these kids, they're like the uh you know, back
when he was doing the COVID classrooms and stuff. This
one kid was like out of an amusement park. I
think he had these filters up and it was like
can you tell yours? Yeah, I just imagine that these
(40:13):
people are had like bush gardens when he's supposed to
be in me waiting one of the long ass lines.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
So you've seen the guy. You've seen the guy where
the funny thing is the guy like will put like
a greens He had like this backpack with yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, the things
set up man, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
He was doing his thing. Man, this is crazy probably
right there.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Like sorry, I'm like, why is the is the is
the wind blowing side? Like yeah, wait no, I'm I'm
in I'm in my office. Can't you see him?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Man? Dude, like hey bad Like yeah, man, I man,
I have seen some of the craziest stuff man, Like,
I'm not gonna get into it on the call, Like,
if you want to talk to me afterwards, I'll show you.
But I know some things about some people on some
phone calls.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I'm not gonna talk about it for real.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Why you bringing up there if you ain't gonna share
that's the stuff that people want to hear about this
stuff things.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Supposed to about.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
I don't seen people like well, I don't know, but
I've had people tell me like certain things going on.
I mean they do like, hey, I'm gonna they can't
see me, so that's they just go all in.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
What I'm like crafting this stuff is coming to mind,
Like what kind of scene of these these people doing
with the camera.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't I wouldn't do any
any of those things.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
But yeah, I mean I have, like, you know, started
a meeting, like I've woken up late after like a
crazy night, just wake.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Up late and just like roll over and start a meeting.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
It's like, oh my god, bro, Like one time I
was still read it's one time, bro, Like I started
a meeting. I'm laying in my bed with my phone
up like this and I'm like, and I made mistake
and hitting their rown. But in turn the camera on
like nothing but behead posts behind my head, and I'm like,
(42:11):
oh shit, turn the thing up.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
So here's the thing you need to here's the thing
you need to make sure you're careful. I didn't know this,
but somebody told me this before. I didn't even know this. Right.
So you're sitting there and you're on the camera, like
I guess if you had your camera on. I think
it's like a setting and somebody I can't remember, but
like if you have your camera on on one meeting
and then you go to the next meeting, it automatically
has the camera on. Yeah, so like you think you're
going to remember yeah, yeah, like so, but I don't
(42:35):
like that. We don't like that.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
But you can set it in the setting and say, hey,
always started to meeting with my camera off or on
or whatever.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
I don't know. About all fs.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
So it depends on you know, what a been using,
if that's a feature or not. Because some people use Zoom,
some people use teams, some people use Google Me. So
it's independs interesting.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
I'm not a fan of teams, to be honest. I
think I'm just like used to using Google Me.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Well, I mean, so here's the thing, brother, I mean,
of course I'm not gonna advocate. I mean, I try
to be as impartial as I can when I'm on
the show. But it's a it's a matter of preference, brother,
you know, like if you like, I know some people
that are swear uping down iPhone is better. I prefer Android.
(43:22):
It's it's a it's a you know, use a product,
you know, depending on what you think is better. Yeah,
it's what you're used to, what you like.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, I agree with that one hundred percent. Like it
depends what you used to and that that was that
was what I was saying. I'm more used to using
you know, Google Meat, you know, for for for the
chat piece. And it's just like I can't find my
ship when I go to teams. It's like I know
how to do this with this other tool, and that's why.
That's why I don't you know, this whole agnostic thing.
(43:49):
It's like it could be a problem. You know, you're
trying to be vent their agnostic because your team is
acclimated to using this tool with a certain tool to
do a certain thing, and it's gonna take some time
for that conversion to happen where they know how to
do those similar things do similar things on on other
said platform or whatever device or or application. So yeah,
(44:12):
that's something kind of take note of. But yeah, I
think I think we've I think we've probably cracked the
riddle and come to a consensus as far as like
this whole wellcam thing, and it seems like we agree.
I mean, we voted on it, not like really really,
but in my head, we voted on it, and we've
decided that you guys should turn your cameras on so
(44:34):
people can see I know some of y'all are pooping
during meetings, and pinch it off and flush white wash
your hands too, because that's nasty if you don't, and
you know, join the meeting so people can see you,
you know. And that's that's all I got to say
about it.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
And remember proper mic etiquette proper mic. Yeah, flush or
when you go to the bathroom, don't don't wind up
like Naked Gun. You remember Naked Gun. Would dude was
had the mic on in the bathroom. He was doing No,
he wasn't dropping ball. He had like the like that
League of her own pe. He's like paying for like
(45:14):
five minutes and.
Speaker 4 (45:15):
He's singing and singing and everything in the toilet like
hold on, just unloaded, draining it all loaded up.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Remember leaking at the Remember he came in the next
day from a drunk slooper and this was like, my gosh.
So just for reference the Naked Gun, which they're actually
they were actually remaking it, which is funny. Leslie Nielsen played,
you know, Frank Drebbon and he was doing a speech
and he left the mic on like right here where
(45:48):
he was and then he he left the stage, went
in the bathroom and was just like load it up.
He's like he's just like shaking, like like oh yeah,
I mean it was crazy, bro, It was the funniest thing.
And I just remember that. I remember that from all
think that's why every time I go to the bathroom,
(46:08):
because sometimes I do have my handset on on you know,
the conference. Might I be like, man, that I'm mute because.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I'm just start doing that on my pee man saying
Lord of the.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
So here's a crazy part, right you ever? Like, like,
I know I can put my microphone on mute and
I know everything like that. But as soon as you go.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Up, somebody gonna say your name.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
I had this thing off safety the whole damn time,
and as soon as I put it on safety, somebody
got what do you think?
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Like? What?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Why do you You never cared about what I thought
the first twenty five minutes?
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Why are you caring about what I think? Right now?
As we get ready to close out? Like, what do
you mean? Man? Like I try to stay out the
way man?
Speaker 3 (46:53):
But that's so crazy, dude. That's so funny, Dude, that's
so funny.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
It's crazy because it's a universal thing.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Man. It's like the universe is doing things to you,
right crazy.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
But yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
As we close this thing out, though, I mean it's
it's I don't I'm not gonna say we learned anything new,
but it's funny to know that we all experience like
the same stuff, right, But I think I do think
it's important to not like some of the important reasons
(47:33):
for like having your camera open. You know, communication is
definitely constrained when you don't have the visual aspect, you know,
but I don't be remiss if I didn't. You know,
let you guys know, if you have a topic that
you think we should talk about, or if it's a
topic that you want to come on the show, enjoin
(47:53):
us and have a discussion on like reach out to us.
You can reach me Reggie through our socials, or you
can hit the develop every mind Social or them tech
folks Social on any of the platforms we're on LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook,
(48:14):
X of email. You know, we're pretty much all over
the place and you can find us at DIM tech Folks.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
That's d e M Tech Folks.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, you drop us a note if you think we're
doing a great job, drop us a note for that.
Encouragement informations are always welcome because sometimes, just like everything
else we do in life, sometimes this thing is hard.
You know, you don't know if you're doing it right.
You know, like we may not know if we're like
reaching people off with seeing something that you know, people
actually want to hear that's going to help them and
(48:49):
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
So let us.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Know, like, if there's something that's a hard conversation that
you just need more insight or you need a perspective
outside of your own, Yeah, let us know it will
we'll chop it up, or we'll bring you on the
show to chop it up with you.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
That's that's kind of you know, why we have the show.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Don't forget the light, Share, subscribe, don't have to be
in that order, but you definitely got to do all
of that stuff. Share with your friends, Share with people
that ain't your friends, your enemies too.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
They may turn in your to your friends.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
You know what I'm saying, thank you turning me onto
that awesome podcast.
Speaker 2 (49:24):
And I no longer hate you, and I don't care
that you owe me forty dollars. That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Also, if you're in the Tampa Bay area, coming this
May sixteenth, next next.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
Friday, actually that's calm.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
Hot, It's coming it hot, bro B Sides Tampa, you know,
big shout out to B Sides.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
The B Side Seam has.
Speaker 1 (49:47):
Been doing some tremendous work getting up ready and gearing.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
Up for this huge conference.
Speaker 1 (49:53):
Right I'm gonna be posting some some information about that
on the social so definitely tap in follow the socials
so you can get information on that. Yours truly along
with you know, my my my.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
Brother and two of my other brothers.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Uh, we're gonna be uh delivering a course on you know,
deploying in securing cubernets clusters for beginners right as of now.
I got an email saying that the course was was full,
(50:28):
but I checked to see if they can open capacity.
I'm not sure like what the what the room holds,
but I tell them, like the you know, add to
more seats if they could, just because I have more
help than I thought I was gonna have in delivering
the course. So be on the lookout for that that
those seats maybe opened up if you would like to
join the course and learn a little bit about Kubernetes.
(50:50):
It's a great tool, great platform to use. But uh yeah,
and just you know, like I said, lock in and
let us know what you think about Joe, you got
the thing you want to talk to the people about
it before we close this out?
Speaker 3 (51:04):
Ridge, No, No, really, I mean I got a few
things going on, but it's it's some of the stuff.
It's like he's going or you have to be going
to a certain university to be a part of it.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
We still on interviews. We still on interviews during during
during the conference or not.
Speaker 3 (51:21):
You might be doing interviews. Definitely would I would. I
would love to. I would love to. Last we did
uh for this case. You guys are a little We
did some really awesome interview stuff interviews interview cycle while
we were at east Side sat Pete's last year. That
was really really fun, really really cool. A lot of
people gave us some positive feedback on that.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
So yeah, and I got some I got some swag too,
can be at conference check us out. We got some swag,
some conference based swag, and we also have some swag
that's just us, you know, just our stuff.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
I brand some real cool stuff, you know toes. I
definitelyntil my time with the designs on these. Think you
guys look like it. Definitely look us up. I'll be dropping.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
I'm trying to like set up a online prisons people
can kind.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Of like pop in and order swag as.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
They want without having to go through us. But just
for right now, I just kind of like or my
handful of shirts that you know, people can kind of
like pull it from me if they if they feel so,
feel the need to. But yeah, man, without without like,
you know, pushing this thing a little bit longer, let's
close it off. I don't know, I kind of I
(52:29):
kind of felt like I was supposed to say something else,
but nothing came. Like usually I opened my mouth and
things come out, you know what I mean, words come out,
but uh, yeah, it didn't happen right then.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
That was kind of weird.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
So when he was like on the phone his manager
and his management know what to say. He was like,
all right, man, He was like.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Play that next time.
Speaker 1 (52:57):
They like, it's to do that, Okay, it'll clip and
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