November 5, 2025 • 49 mins
Summary
In this engaging conversation, Patrick Wheatley shares his journey into the tech industry, discussing his early influences, college experiences, and the challenges he faced during his first internship. He reflects on his transition from backend development to UI/UX design, highlighting his work with IBM Watson and the lessons learned along the way. Patrick also addresses the realities of the job market, the importance of mentorship, and his aspirations for the future, all while emphasizing the significance of personal growth and travel in his life.
Takeaways
Patrick's journey into tech was influenced by his cousins. He faced challenges in college due to a lack of preparation. His first internship taught him valuable lessons about coding. Transitioning to UI/UX was a pivotal moment in his career. Working with IBM Watson was a significant milestone. The job market is saturated with misconceptions about tech careers. Mentorship plays a crucial role in supporting new talent. Patrick aims to move into a business-oriented role in the future. Traveling has become an important part of his life. He emphasizes the importance of personal growth and self-care.
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In this engaging conversation, Patrick Wheatley shares his journey into the tech industry, discussing his early influences, college experiences, and the challenges he faced during his first internship. He reflects on his transition from backend development to UI/UX design, highlighting his work with IBM Watson and the lessons learned along the way. Patrick also addresses the realities of the job market, the importance of mentorship, and his aspirations for the future, all while emphasizing the significance of personal growth and travel in his life.
Takeaways
Patrick's journey into tech was influenced by his cousins. He faced challenges in college due to a lack of preparation. His first internship taught him valuable lessons about coding. Transitioning to UI/UX was a pivotal moment in his career. Working with IBM Watson was a significant milestone. The job market is saturated with misconceptions about tech careers. Mentorship plays a crucial role in supporting new talent. Patrick aims to move into a business-oriented role in the future. Traveling has become an important part of his life. He emphasizes the importance of personal growth and self-care.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Like people can just tell you what they can speak
to at you. But I was like, I'm gonna talk
to y'all see what you really want to do, like
this can make a change. And I put salaries on
the back because that was my what encouraged me to
keep going to school. When I saw that salary for
the different I was like, all right, let me let
me go lock in and go and get these a's
and b's real quick.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And that's what the kids.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
They didn't care about non not saying to they saw
the salary, it was like, I can make that much
more in the kids is locked in.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Then welcome back to another episode of them take folks.
In this episode, we're going to have a conversation with
the Uxu I design about how he got into tech
and some of the things that he ran into. He
had a pretty good support system at the start and
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All right, y'all enjoy the episode, So welcome back to
the show, everybody, Them tech Folks, Me, Reggie Ebony, how
y'all feeling I'm feeling good?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Feel I'm good. Just came off a little long weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I can.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
I feel spry.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
That's a word.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
I'm digging. Yeah, down with the tomfoolery of the summertime.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Spry and tom foolery.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
I like.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
I like this attitude. I like this statittude.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Turn it up for not well are you putting on
us Sunday? Bess? So we're gonna be an interviewing my
guy Patrie Patrick. How you feeling that, bro? And do
you prefer Patrick or pat Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Either one? Man? I've been called both my whole life,
so either one.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I can't take no loss.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
I don't even know where they crossed.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Hit the ground in and go off Champ hit the
ground then to go off Cham.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
I can't take no loss.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Ye, I don't even know what they crossed yet.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Everybody on Patrick from Louisiana Jam, I'm a software developer.
I've been in I t close to like thirteen fourteen,
twenty ten. I live back between Dallas and Louisiana, living
Dallars on two different occasions, once for two years and
another time for four years. And now I'm back in
(03:07):
Louisiana now work remote, still doing the same thing. Worked
for government agencies, work with the military with doing software,
work private for different banks and different private I companies
as well. And went to school at LSUS.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So I guess like some serial the Big Lsue the Tigers, The.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Tigers, Okay, yeah, I saw that. I was.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I was kind of like, you know, LinkedIn stalking on
that's the thing or not. But I was checking out
some of your accolades. You gotta impress the background. But
how did you get into tech? Like you say you
got started around twenty ten ish, Right when was your
first running with tay Like when you're a kid and
(03:56):
just something kind of stuck.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Out for you or did you observe some stuff? What
what happened?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I had some cousins that was starting in tech. They
was in college, and some of them lived with us.
So when I didn't know what I wanted to do,
but I saw them doing it, and when they were
coming back home, I they'll give me some of their
books and stuff like that. And I always been good
at math. So I was telling my parents. I was like,
I don't know what I want to go to school for.
I was like, definitely not medical, because I ain't trying
(04:24):
to be a doctor and try to go to school
for fifteen twenty years. I didn't want to be a nurse.
And then they just told me, look, you like math,
how to do engineering math? And it was like, you
like video games, dude, go going to tech. And then
I saw a few magazines saying create video games. So
my cousins gave my my parents like a few curriculums.
(04:46):
They didn't have like a video game degree, but they
had like two or three classes or something. So they
took me to those different schools and that's like my
probably my first introduction into it.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
You said you took me to the class.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, not the class I mean they took me to
the school and you know, they read the curriculum that
you can meet the you can meet like a few advisors,
like in the summertime or something. They'll tell you by
the kind of thing. So my parents went to different
schools and let me walk around and.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Talk to people.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Damn, what what's your parents do?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
My my dad was a truck driver and my mom
she was a state worker for the hospital. So they
ain't know anything. They was like, look, talk to everybody.
Asked many questions. We'll get you there, but we don't
know what the which who you need to talk to.
So they most of my cousins filled out my stuff
for me.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I mean, ain't they ain't no, you know enough. They ain't.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
No, they ain't no, Dad, but it seems like they
know enough to put you around some people though that
could get you, you know, like what you know?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Yeah, your options?
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Man.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I always think my cousins, because one cousin did my
fast for my other cousin and filled out all my
school requests. She was like, I'm getting you in the
school somewhere. I had another cousin writing my essays for scholarships,
so they was they was they was working on me.
My cousins was doing all the stuff. They was doing
all the leg work.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Let me ask a personal question. Were they men or women?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
The ones who gave me the books? Was the men
the women did the fast?
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Was there?
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (06:31):
A thank you?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Right? Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
He just so you know, wow, say this ahead of time.
You don't have to answer an these questions.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
I just I just want to note though, I just
want to note that the men in his life provided
him with resources that inspired him, but it was the
women in his life built that foundation for him to grow.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Okay, our our mentality a teacher, man to fish.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
That girl preaching. But listen fish woman in polerment. I'm
all about it, man, I love it.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
So Patrick, what was your very first class like? Were
you overwhelmed or did you feel like you were well
prepared based on the materials that they gave you already?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Man, I was a country bumpkin. Man.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I didn't I didn't do my research. I didn't know
that college this is like I went to. I graduated No.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Seven.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I didn't know everything was technical at this time. So
my parents took me to like the dollars Stow Walmart.
I had a backpack, twenty binders, compositions, journals, three hundred pencils.
Everybody looking at me like, well, I got this big backpack.
On I get into everybody got laptops. I'm asking the
teacher like yo, like, I got my journal, my little
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notebook thing.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
With my name, So do I put my all my
homework here?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
She said, now it's on Blackboarder move and I'm like,
what is blackboard?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Like I fell.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Asleep in orientation, so I was so lost to Everybody
was looking at me like dude, did you know anything?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Like why you got the biggest books? Like I was
sorry because.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
So let me so, let me let me tell you something.
Let me tell you something. Man, So I know where
Rico's from. My family is from Lake City, Florida. You
you country though, Yeah, it's coming off you bro.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, I'm first Street for Louisiana.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Man. It's very small. And it was just like.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
We had a we had a family Uni the nicest,
the nicest hotel and the nice hotel for we haven't
supposed to having a family. Nice hotel was a holiday
Inn Express. There was like everybody staying the Holly in Express.
I'm like, man, they ain't got like a marry out
around it exactly. We got to go all the way
(09:00):
to Gainesville.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Don't have a holiday in Express where I came up.
But I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you went to
school for you do a cis.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Yeah, I went to school for C I S.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So I went to university and then I also went
to the community college at the same time because the
class is half off, so I try to do like
four and two.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
That's a whole break now even just a bar.
Speaker 8 (09:35):
I got a coupon for this class. I'm taking this.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
One right now.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That's all the people needed right there, that GM right there.
Oh my god, that's phenomenal, bro. And who put you
onto that?
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Oh? No, I think it was.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I needed a class that summer, and I was looking
at the price and it might have I don't know
which cousin, but they was like, hey, man, just do
the summer classes.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
The kids told me to go to the community college
because it was cheap and it was easier because you know,
the university gonna be crazy with the homework, so it's
like summer class taking the community college super easy. And
I was like, these prices is cheaper. I'm gonna start
taking two at the community, one or two at the
community and take at least take my force. I could
still stay a full time student. So that's what I
(10:28):
started doing.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Change Change.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
And when you when you came out of school, like
were you were you doing anything to try to like
prepare yourself for your exit from from from school and
going into the work for us.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
So we just like, I'm just I figured out I
get that type shit.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I did an internship. Man, my sophomore year was partnering
with my school. It was a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I did not know how to code. It was for
a non unprofit cancer society. So I was like, oh dope.
It was like a family owned business and they hired
like they brother in law to be like the main programmer.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
They fell out with each other.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And gave the students to this job, and I was like, yo,
should we change the passwords? Y'all fell out with him. No, No,
he would never do that. He wiped the whole app
I woke with the next morning. My homeboy that was
in the classroom was like, yo, man, like go like.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Check out your voice message, like your voicemail.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I'm like you talking about He's like, bro, I got
three voicemails saying I should Navi get his job.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
The kids y'all ruined the app. He was like, so
I went to it. Yeah, he left me like lengthy
messages and stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
We had to go to the school. Luckily my homeboy
made a copy before we went. We left office that
day and man, it was it was some ghetto rigged
up website. Man, and it was like he you could
tell twenty different like programmers rolled it.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
It was so bad.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
That's great.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
So when you were telling them that they needed to
change this password and stuff, was that a common sense
or was that something that you had already learned while
you were in school.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I think it was like a common sense then, because
the day that we showed up, it was like some
they was yelling in them back.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
So I was like, yo, he left.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
He didn't sound happier, bro, like we should change these passwords.
Because he came back in and said a few more words,
and I'm like, Ye're like like like you were about
to come to blows.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
I'm like, Yo, this ain't no, It's not good, bro,
that's great.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Indeed, I tell everybody all the time, I said, you know,
your insire background in cyber is based on common sense,
like what would you do to protect you? That's probably
what you need to be doing to protect that network.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's say, you look pretty mad.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Oh he you think he came back in twice. I'm like, yo,
like this is a weird situation. Man, Like he's just
like the third day he just he was.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Tripping, bro, and they put it on you.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, because they thought I one of me or the
other guy that was my class wiped the whole app.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
It was blank.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It was just like it was saying like, congratulations, you
have a domain ready to drop your your website.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I'm like, he wiped everything.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
No backup.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
We backed it up. They didn't back up anything. We
backed it up luckily.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Oh wow, that's what's up.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
So, Patrick, you're a you I developer right now U
y u x uh. So what sort of creative influences
do you have to include when you're doing the UIUX.
I mean, obviously there needs to be some form of
common sense because I guess that's like an interface for
(14:08):
any application, like the front end.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah, Like I think my biggest influence is when I
took a few trainings before. We always want to make
it as quick and easy for the users as it
can be. Some of the frameworks I use is like Angler,
which is made by Google, so I use Angler, and
I use like Bootstrap, which already does everything professionally. So
I make everything big and as close as possible. So
(14:36):
if you jump on this out, you already know what
you're clicking on, because the first thing when I build something,
I've seen users like I don't know what to do,
Like I see four buttons, I'm lost. No, it's gonna
be one big button, one big surface. You can click
on it, and it's gonna take you piece by piece.
By the time you're done, you're not confused.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
You know where to go.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And I make everything like relatively like what you used
to seeing on other apps.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Mostly, Okay, did you intend on getting into like software,
because I know I know you did went to school,
because yeahs right, you did that whole thing. Actually you
did it between two different schools, which is very impressive.
But I also noticed that you were saying how when
you got your first internship of you know that that
(15:24):
that work that you were doing, that you didn't know coding.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I didn't wrong, it.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Was right, Yeah, I was not a coder. Yeah, man,
I did not know what I was doing at first.
When I first started, I was so lost.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
So what so what was your intentions when you were
getting going through your degree program? Did you were you
just kind of like, yeah, I know, I want to
do something with tech, or when you already angling towards
a different direction databases or something like that, and he
was like, oh well this this roll was open, and
oh I kind of like this more now right.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, that's what happened. My full intention was to be
was to be in software, but I was going to
do back in and I was going to specialize in databases.
I was gonna do data modeling and big data. I
was trying to get into that because that was like
the big thing between like twenty eleven. But when when
I got hired by IBM, first two or three months,
(16:19):
I was doing data stuff but it wasn't nothing cool.
It was like at an extra table field or or
we were we was grabbing finances from I was on
the financial team.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
So if it.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Said like.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
We got the company that we we that's pursing it
from us. Now add like an extra field to say city,
so we can see what city is. And that's the
only small work I was doing and we had the
Uyux team and they went short on funding so they
had to cut them. And they told me it was
like hey U a u y Ux guy now And
(16:55):
I was like, I never did it.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
He was like, well, you got three weeks.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I'm seeing to two three jobas conferences and we're gonna
take the train and if you don't want to do it,
you know, you can leave with the group.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I was like, hey, when I'm signing up, you can
leave with the group.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Dang the old school doze.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
But I went get down that monday.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I was that was a dial bolic.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And you've been coding ever since. So you said you
wanted to do back in. Yeah, I get you end
up doing front end right with you know? Or was
that just like full status you just to get thrown
into full stack.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
It was like thrown in the fire. They did let
me do back in. It was like for like maybe
three months, but that was it. Like they let me
do like one data basis dB two which is on
by ibum. They let me do a little bit of
Oracle and then a little bit of my sequel and
they was like, look, we're just gonna put you where
you need to fit that, and then I became ibums
dedicated u X U I got so whichever project need
(17:59):
the uxuy that's yeah, they just switched in different projects.
So this project, I worked with AT and T for
a while. That's what I was telling people I did.
We did their phone service. So we did AT and
T and IBM Watson, which is the thing that did
(18:19):
Jeopardy one time.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
The AI I came the year afterwards, very famous, very famous.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
And I was on the IBM. I was on the
IBM Watson team in twenty fourteen. I did all the
U I u X stuff like when they made They
did all the data stuff for all the data proms
for the Watson AI, and then I created the forms
where you can fill it out. I did the text
(18:47):
of speech code, all the tables, and then we did
it for phone services so when you call in and
you have to talk to like a telepromoter.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
We did all that stuff with IBM washon.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Nice nice.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
So the first automated uh, the first non human response
to like help us tickets and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yes, that's what I was doing with that. Yeah, that
was stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
That's dope, that's very dope.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, Like would you would you consider that to be
like the coolest thing you've done to this point?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
You got like more cool ship?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I think so because I actually joined the Watson Uh
competition and we didn't even get we didn't even get placed. Man,
this team, that's the team that did the you've seen
the commercial.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
You show it up though, yeah, show it up.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
But that commercial where they say, like.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I've been watching do the check for your health and
can predict what kind of illnesses you have?
Speaker 6 (19:46):
When they show that.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Presentation, was like, yeah, might well just gone walk on out?
They got that one, all right, y'all.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Give me a couple of them soda?
Speaker 7 (19:59):
Exactly did you did you pull up? Denzel Washington? What
said the movie I'm from around the way, I'm leaving
with something.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
When they did like presentations and demos, when we broket
climate clients in, they brought professional HIFs. Bab was a liquor,
and the liquor you don't open, they would just give
it to you, just take it. So I had all
this premiumship liquor because they were just giving it away.
When the presentations be.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Over, Phila, oh man, I was, I was like, so
what what was aside from when the brother in law
whoever that do was like scrap the whole website. What
what other like situations were you in that made you
like like like like a sneaker commercial, even the old
(20:56):
sneakers commercial.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Hung Yeah, oh man, I'd be embarrassed about this. For
one time, man ah man, I had a ratchet manager Bro.
I chased him in the parking lot one time.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Bro. Why man?
Speaker 8 (21:17):
It was uh RICO. Make sure you edited that part.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
It was It was a it was a.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Bad situation, was a rough one and it was like
maybe like right after IBM laters off I had.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
It was just like a whole bunch of rough.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Stuff going on, like I lost some family members and
like that Christmas I had lost my brother and then
February I had got this job. So he had me
as a beneficiary and I told you know, it was
the job was weird. At the beginning, this recruiting agency
hired me go there.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
I interviewed forward.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
They was like yeah, we'll let you know.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I'm going to the car. This guy comes out like, hey,
can I talk to you for a minute. I'm like
he's like, hey, they want you. You know, you got
all the experience, but I want you not to take
the job, and I'm like, I ain't worked in two months,
but I'm gonna give him this most generic answer ever.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
I'm like, no, this sounds like a dynamic company.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I can learn from you guys, so I think it's
the best situation for both of us. He gives me
a look like no, just stff, take the job. I'm like, no,
I get to work that two weeks from that. From
that time I get there, everybody got badge's laptops. You know,
when you first start the job, you get all the stuff.
(22:39):
I get there, people say, who am I?
Speaker 6 (22:41):
What am I doing?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Like, did somebody tell me to come that day? They
didn't have my record. The dude didn't fill my stuff out.
He didn't have no I ain't had no email, no badge.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
I had to like catch this.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Golf cart thing from the security, go to the security
across the street, refill out all my stuff on my own,
call the recruiting agency.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
They had to come up there.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
And then he told them, since I got my badge,
that's a marking for being late.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
I'm like, you didn't do my stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
So he just started doing weird stuff like that, and
I had a phone call said Hey, this is the
beneficiary people. My brother passed and he knew it. He
was like, very cool. I come back from lunch, I
get a call. He's knocking on my window. I say, hey,
I gotta make this call. He was like, he did
it again. He knocked on the window again.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
I was like, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
He was like, well, it's not my fault your brother
died and started laughing. I called beneficiary people back and say,
I gotta make a phone. I gotta hang up this
call real quick. I hang up soon as I opened
the door. That dude darty he already. I guess he
saw my face or something.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
He just ran.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And called the recruiting agency on me and was like
and all security and had security front door. But people
at the office said they had saw him following me
at lunch every day, taking pictures or something.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
It was some weird stuff they said he was doing.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
So I just told I said, you know, this job
is too much, bro, Like I just I just left.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with a know on that one.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
That sounds like.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
I guess, I guess. I guess I'm just an a.
I would have been like, yeah, I ain't leaving this job.
I ain't Finnah forced me off on spot.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You know when I when I was, they paid me
for the rest I only had, like maybe yeah, I
had three paychecks left. They just paid me the last
three paychecks because I was like, yeah, I' about to
sue us on this dude's been like follow me around
and stuff like. It was just weird stuff that found
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out at the end that he was doing wan come
me ghetto a few times I wouldn't.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try to make this
into a thing.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
But was it a.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
You think it was a race thing? I mean.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
He was a black dude.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Oh sometimes, well race thing in that case, I ain't
gonna say it.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
You know what I was gonna say, You know what
I was gonna say.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
But yeah, but yeah, all right, Well interesting that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Was work situation.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Situations that make as though. I mean, I'm sure you
got something from that though. I mean it sounds crazy, right,
but I'm I'm at a point right now in my
life where I feel like every situation you can you
can grow from, you can learn something from, whether that
be learning more patience or just learning that some people
just don't have it all together. I mean, what kind
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of person said some shit like I don't know, you
did better than I how to open the glove?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
All right, So so we do a lot of talk.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Right, So if anybody that doesn't know by now what
you should know about now because I haven't mentioned it,
I know, path Through Clubhouse a social media album, right,
And we do a lot of he holds regular rooms
about various different topics. We pop around to like different
(26:38):
technical rooms and whole discussions in those spaces. One of
the things that we talked about most recently was, you know,
people trying to get into the space, you know, giving
people some advisement on what they can do, what they
can look forward to, and just giving them a real lesson,
Like it's not as easy as some of the influences
(26:58):
make it seem. What are your views with respect to
that type of discussion.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
It's rough when you look like social media and you
see these guys they're like, yeah, you can. You can
be a programmer in two years, you can be making
five hundred thousand. Not everybody believes it, And it's just
like some of the craziest stories you hear, and you
got all these people doing boot camps, and I feel
like it gets saturated because they wouldn't know what they
(27:29):
get into. They just think, oh, I'm working remote, and
they just see the money and then when they get
into it.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
That's why I think these jobs have these crazier.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Interview processes now, seven rounds, three assessment tests and stuff
like that. I feel like that changes the dynamic of
our hiring process plus our work backgrounds.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
You think makes it like better or worse.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I think it makes it worse because, like, man, it
burns you out when when they changed the hiring processes
now just because they're trying to weed out the people
who prices on Instagram and then or any social media's
or any guys on YouTube that just be like, yeah,
you can make five hundred thousand. I feel like they
put more layers on all these hiring processes or even
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the jobs as well.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
So I think it kind of makes it a little.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Bit worse for us. Yeah, and I I agree. I
think I think it definitely makes it worse on both ends.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Right for the candidate and for the organization because the candidate,
you know, you got to go through five, seven rounds
whatever it is, that's a lot, right, and some of
this stuff it's like you're not even you're almost doing
work some of it, you know, you're not even getting
paid for it organizational wise, you know, especially if a
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few of these rounds consists of panels. Right, That's however,
many individuals are seeing that panel you know, times they're
out here rate times a number of candidates they got
to go through. Like that's money that they're spending that
they're not getting a product from, right, They're hoping that
they can get an employee from it.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Well, you know, the real, the real problem behind these
layers and layers of interviews is that the company itself
doesn't exactly know what it needs, and so it need
to try to filter out a lot of information fairly quickly,
and it usually has to go through different people because
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nobody knows all of it, and so like at this point,
and I was, I was complaining about this to somebody
else the other day, and employers are like, oh, yeah,
show up, Like, yeah, of course we're willing to train you.
That's no problem, Like, come on in, we just want
to see what you know. There's no boundary to this question.
You can ask all the details that you need. Just
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go ahead and figure it out. That's because they don't
have any idea what they want.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
Well, I noticed in one of my one of my
interview processes with the company I work for in the past,
I mean, the guy just got a list of questions
and the list of responses. So the problem with that
is that it's more than just answering the questions. You know,
you can approach it from different ways. You know, it
doesn't have to be like the straight up like you know,
(30:32):
you know red and black is green. You know, it
could be a different approach, It could be a different
I mean, you know what I'm saying. It's not just
like a binary answer.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Yes, No, it can be a.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Different way like you can do especially from a technical inspective,
you can do one thing like five or six different ways.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Let's get the same results.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
You know.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
Plus, the thing that I look for in an interview
is how the person thinks about the stuff, right, like
the thought process. But if you don't really know the
technology and know how to ask the question, are you
hearing is well he didn't get answer right, Well, he
might be brilliant and think about it from a certain way.
Speaker 8 (31:07):
So yeah, I think that I think companies that do
that process are missing out on some really good talent.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Yeah, that's actually exactly why I asked that question Patrick,
when I was like, Oh, did you just think to
chase this password or was that some training that you had,
because a lot of it just common sense, like how
are you approaching it?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That that's one hundred percent truth because I was gonna
piggyback over Rigid and Ebony. I did an interview before
where I got the answer wrong, but he said that
he was actually testing me on the thought process and
they got me to the next round because even though
I got it wrong, he was like, the way you
thought about it, like you he could tell that I
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know I was talking about and every when you was
talking about the interview where like they don't know what
they want. One of the teams I was on, I
was doing a lot of interviews. I was doing the
first round and when I was reading out the requirements,
I'm like, why do we got don't even do this stuff?
Like why is this on the job requirement? We don't
even use this software.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
We barely can spend money getting new laptops, and you
got all these different softwares. It's three thousand dollars a no,
like it raised that off.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
You don't want to requirements if.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
You don't get better, because they're gonna stay using to
make these ricks get better.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
So so, I don't know if you guys know this
or not, but there is a company that started with
the VC. You guys should watch. It's a it's a
it's called Moon Moon Shotters. I think it's the name
of the podcast. Anyway, this guy interviews like dope ass
people all the time on this podcast. But there's a
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company he did a VC in development and where they're
actually developing AI.
Speaker 8 (32:51):
To do the interviews. Mm hm, so you don't even
have to talk to a person, so that yeah.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
So, like, and the company's raised like one hundred million
dollars or something like I can't remember that number, but
they've raised like one hundred million dollars, and all these
fortunate five companies are like, you know, bringing this company,
I want to do that start doing their interviewing process.
They just have to train the model and everything like that.
So it's it's a it's you know, I don't know
how much better that's going to be or how much
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how much how.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Good they so much money though they're going to save
so much money. Theyby don't reinvest that into development programs
for their employees.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
I'm not gonna say something, but there's a company that
I know that may or may not already be doing that.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
You mute, I think saying it's gonna be another subscription.
Speaker 8 (33:45):
Yeah for the companies.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yeah, for the companies for sure, for sure another subscription.
But yeah, that's dope, bro, that's dope.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
You you pick up many mentees on the app, Yeah,
it's a few, or even like in your current work
on your team or anything.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
I do mentor a lot.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
What I was doing, I was getting a lot of
because when I was in college a lot. I was
getting turned on a lot. Twenty ten, there was a
lot of I think, well it was different. There was
not a lot of women in there. It wasn't very diverse,
and I got turned on a lot. So a lot
of times I mentor women in tech, women or black
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people back in like twenty ten, twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
So now the women, huh, what's that you gotta take
for the women?
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Man's man?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I tried to, like when we do internships, I mentored
a lot of the black kids that do get the
internships for the summer. So like I'll try to take
on like two or three because we won't give them
that much work to give them like a little light stuff.
But at least they give them a chance. They get
them better what I had when I was going to school.
So and then on the app, man I mocked interviewed
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a lot of people that was like graduating from college
that they end up getting their jobs on that line
when I first got on club out. So yeah, off
the app and on app, I try to talk to
a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I can what do your what are your next steps?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Like, are you already like shooting off to like your
next milestone or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I think I'm gonna go comfortable you are.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I think I'm gonna go to business route next. I'm
trying to look into that now. Me being in in
uy Ux front end, I work with the clients more
closer than the other developers do. So a lot of
times I do a lot of stuff with the ba's
and business touch points. So the next route is try
to go to business route.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
In by business right, you mean like just learning more
about the you know, the business and how that correlates
to what you guys are doing or what the company.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Does exactly like yeah, trying to go like director route
if I have to be a BA for a little
bit or or scrum as just to get like every
touch of because I've been a manager for like the
last six eight years, so try to go.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
More into exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I wouldn't mind trying to be like a technology existent
or direct of technology. Next, Like I work with those
guys closely, so maybe the next two or three years,
see how I can transition into something like that. Next
you have a mentor. It's kind of ushering you through
that process. No, not giving options, no, no, mostly just
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been my director now, like they gave me this like
advancement thing. And then the guy that was I direct
the technology, he trans over to the government side. So
I work with closely, like on the weekly basis. He
was telling me how to try to get those routes.
That's about the closest mentor guy. Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:16):
One time it sounded like a lion was in the background.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Like what is going on right now?
Speaker 4 (37:25):
I can't help me. I got a strong vibe, bro,
that's what it is. Strong vibe. You got kids? I
almost call you.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
No, no kids, man, no kids.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Nah, I don't look like that and that's his name
on the club we got we have aliases, yeah, to
know who we are.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Well, it's ruined since we've associated this alias with his
name here.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
I mean you I used to say that, and I
usually don't, but I can't to.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
It's fine.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
We believe man, this podcast. It's it's fine.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
We can appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
So you say you do have kids and no, no,
no kids? No no kids, no kids?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Okay, all right, so that's all your money? Yeah, exactly, man,
any plans for kids or you just kind of like,
you know, dang.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
What's happening here?
Speaker 6 (38:40):
Said?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Oh yeah, like I always bel you know, definitely, and
that love me.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
I'm just saying, what kind of podcast this is? Singles?
Speaker 6 (38:55):
You like?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Not that kind of.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Understand.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
That's all.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
That's all I'm trying to understand. Let's let's back it
up a little bit in terms of you.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
You know, what, if you know anybody?
Speaker 6 (39:10):
Do say?
Speaker 4 (39:12):
If you know anybody? Patrick? We're looking for?
Speaker 6 (39:17):
All right?
Speaker 4 (39:19):
All right?
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Patrick? In your current position, what do you think is
the most important skill set that you've had to bring
to it?
Speaker 6 (39:34):
I think thought process.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I've a lot of my end of the year reviews
they say that like they write that I see issues
months before it happens. Like I'm very detailed on Like
when I be working, I'll write out like, hey, we're
gonna run to this problem.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
This has to be changed now.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
If not, we're going to like lose two or three
weeks worth of work. That's a lot of money to lose.
So just the way I see and things before it actually.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Happens, what helped you those skills?
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I think, man, growing up, my dad always made me
do stuff. If you do something once, make sure you
do it the right way.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
So you wanted to do it.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Over because I used to cut grass with him. If
I miss one thing of grass, I gotta.
Speaker 6 (40:20):
Recut the whole yard.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
If if I do.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
My homework and it got a smudge on it, now
I throw that paperweight to go do another one. Now
my mind says, like, let me just make sure everything
done the whole nine yards.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
So I think that just thought process just came with
me from from chores and just growing up under my parents.
Speaker 6 (40:42):
Just like that.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
I think that's what got me to that point in
the military.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
So that.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
You missed, you missed the blade, do the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Oh yeah, they've had a whole dirt front yard, dirt.
Speaker 8 (41:09):
Take that long, take that lawn, moved back in the house,
and get them scissors.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Out, the cuticle scissors.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
He did not play.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
For real? What do you do to decompress?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
I mean you talked about some pretty exciting events, right,
But when you get your you know, that stress level.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Goes up, like how do you pull out? Or do
you pull out and and kind of give yourself some time?
Speaker 6 (41:38):
Oh? Man, Yeah, like a lot of times I travel, or.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
A lot of times I just get out of the house, man,
A lot I got to because man, some some of
these jobs used to be stressful. Now I just pretty
laid back, pretty chill. But you just get away from
computers for a little bit. And I've definitely been trying
to travel a little bit more.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Now, where do you want to go?
Speaker 6 (42:04):
Where do you what?
Speaker 4 (42:07):
What did I miss?
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Patrick? Where do you want to try?
Speaker 4 (42:10):
What did I miss? I want to know? It's like
she's like a fifth grader, what what what happened? What happened?
Speaker 8 (42:20):
Patrick?
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Where do you want to try?
Speaker 6 (42:23):
I missed it too, I missed it?
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Uh, we want to know, Reggie, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (42:33):
Rico? Are you going to allow Patrick to answer? My question.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, go ahead ahead, Yeah, I got. I got some
family that was stationed in Japan. He retired, but he's
still doing as a civilians. Last ten years, he's back
in Japan. So I saw, I might just go out
there for like two weeks or something and hang out.
I think that might be like the next trip.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
Oh, you been in Japan before?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
No, I've never been, so I was like, that would
be definitely adupe one. I like technology, video games and
stuff trying to I think it'd be a dope trip.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
That sounds that sounds like it's gonna be an amazing trip.
I vote for that one.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Oh yeah, I've been vote for that one.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
I've been traveling a lot more. Now, what's that.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
She said? She voted?
Speaker 5 (43:25):
I thought it was like, I mean, any any other
any place he can imagine that you can probably get.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
There if you can go to Japan. Yeah, yeah, it's
a wide open Japan's That's a good one though. That's
definitely a good one.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I think the last three or four years, I've been
trying to travel more and more. I went to early
last year, early two years ago. I went to London
in November.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
So I was like, yeah, let me, how's how's the
weather out? Then? It wasn't bad.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
When I went there, they said it was gonna be
freezing cold. But I went the week before it was
like freezing, like ice cold.
Speaker 6 (44:10):
Do they have like thunder and lightning?
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Noah, Man, it was just like like cloudy the whole
ten days of I went to London and France.
Speaker 6 (44:17):
It was just cloudy.
Speaker 8 (44:23):
Smooth transition, smooth transition.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
It wasn't opening there like these sound effects are community
that it's time to learn something. I learned something too,
So Patrick, this is the part of our show where
we ask our guests to think of something to teach
us in sixty seconds or less. You tell us what
(44:50):
you're gonna teach us, and then you got sixty seconds
to go ahead.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
All right, but it's starting to out.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
Yeah, you start right now.
Speaker 6 (45:01):
Hold on the first pick of subject you want to
talk about for sixty sevens. Yeah, somebs you want to
teach us in sixty sevens. All right.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
What you're gonna do is when you find out your
topic and you're ready, just announce your topic. I'm going
to be teaching about boom and I'm gonna start the timer,
all right, So.
Speaker 6 (45:21):
In U X UI.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
So for for a mobile, if you ever want to
do iOS, you can use something like Flutter or what's
the other one, Swift that's the one that's made by
iOS if you ever want to build something with that. Well,
with Android you use Android Studio. You can use Cochlin
or Java and that will build all your Dragon drop buttons,
(45:45):
which is easy for you if you want to ever
make an Android out. And then for JavaScript, they have
different things like Angler, React, and JS which is easy
for you, is already pre built. It's easy enough for
people that's none developers to build it. So you can
use any of those three at any time. And I
(46:06):
can also write these names down for you later and
you can have something ready to build and less than
thirty minutes.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Trying to think what else could.
Speaker 6 (46:18):
I tell y'all?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I think that's what I got in the quick sixty
seconds for you guys.
Speaker 5 (46:26):
Oh No, that was pretty informative. And I like how
you put the plug in to give notes later to
take up some of the time of your explanation that
some good.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Thinking appreciate that aciate a lot of teaching.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
No, I went to my I went to my old
college because I wanted to be an adjunct teacher, but
they said I have to have a master's degree. But
when I was with IBM, I used to go talk
to minority schools for a while. I went to like
maybe six or seven dollars and I would just give
out pamphlets to kids and stuff like that. And when
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the other people they just talked to them. I actually
like sat down with the kids and just asked what
the kids really wanted to do and just started telling
them to go just part of pamphlet. Like I was like,
people can just tell you what they can speak to
at you. But I was like, I'm gonna talk to
y'all see what you really want to do.
Speaker 6 (47:22):
Like this can make a change.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
And I put salaries on the back because that was
my what encouraged me to keep.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Going to school.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
When I saw that salary for the different I was like,
all right, let me see me gonna lock in and
you're gonna get these a's and b's real quick.
Speaker 6 (47:37):
And that's what the kids. They didn't care about. Then
I said, they saw the salaries, like I can make
that much more. The kids locked in And.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
That's just saying you know what I'm saying. Anything else
you want to leave the people with before we close out.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, man, I always tell people this, Man I just
recovered from I had I disease for like eight years,
and like these I.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
Had I disease.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
It's a it's a it's a it's a genetic one.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
A lot of my family just got it's called carry
the cone's. I lost my vision for like two years
with the during the surgery time. So I tell people
all the time, get your checkups done.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
I got my checkups, but my insurance was just always
pushing surgeries back and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
So I always just keep for different things.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
If you see something, never even know what the doctors
tell you, like keep them checkups.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
Nazi twenty twenty. Man I had four eye surgeries and
the matter two years.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
And stuff.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
I mean, that's that's some good information too, because a
lot of times going like Brian trying to get that,
you know, trying to get that pape rup and see
what John said the best. But uh yeah, well, don't
buy help take care of yourself.
Speaker 4 (49:08):
You guys, got anything you want to leave the people with?
Speaker 5 (49:12):
You know, you gotta tell me no, thanks so much
for showing up. Patrick.
Speaker 6 (49:19):
I was gonna say I was gonna say the same thing,
and uh make sure, will you, and make sure you
listen to the.
Speaker 8 (49:27):
Real views cold Out.
Speaker 6 (49:33):
You're getting out, everything you getting out
Speaker 4 (49:38):
I'm gonna starting to record it.
Like people can just tell you what they can speak
to at you. But I was like, I'm gonna talk
to y'all see what you really want to do, like
this can make a change. And I put salaries on
the back because that was my what encouraged me to
keep going to school. When I saw that salary for
the different I was like, all right, let me let
me go lock in and go and get these a's
and b's real quick.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
And that's what the kids.
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All right, y'all enjoy the episode, So welcome back to
the show, everybody, Them tech Folks, Me, Reggie Ebony, how
y'all feeling I'm feeling good?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Feel I'm good. Just came off a little long weekend.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I can.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
I feel spry.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
That's a word.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
I'm digging. Yeah, down with the tomfoolery of the summertime.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Spry and tom foolery.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
I like.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
I like this attitude. I like this statittude.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Turn it up for not well are you putting on
us Sunday? Bess? So we're gonna be an interviewing my
guy Patrie Patrick. How you feeling that, bro? And do
you prefer Patrick or pat Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Either one? Man? I've been called both my whole life,
so either one.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
I can't take no loss.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
I don't even know where they crossed.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Hit the ground in and go off Champ hit the
ground then to go off Cham.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
I can't take no loss.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Ye, I don't even know what they crossed yet.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Everybody on Patrick from Louisiana Jam, I'm a software developer.
I've been in I t close to like thirteen fourteen,
twenty ten. I live back between Dallas and Louisiana, living
Dallars on two different occasions, once for two years and
another time for four years. And now I'm back in
(03:07):
Louisiana now work remote, still doing the same thing. Worked
for government agencies, work with the military with doing software,
work private for different banks and different private I companies
as well. And went to school at LSUS.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So I guess like some serial the Big Lsue the Tigers, The.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Tigers, Okay, yeah, I saw that. I was.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I was kind of like, you know, LinkedIn stalking on
that's the thing or not. But I was checking out
some of your accolades. You gotta impress the background. But
how did you get into tech? Like you say you
got started around twenty ten ish, Right when was your
first running with tay Like when you're a kid and
(03:56):
just something kind of stuck.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Out for you or did you observe some stuff? What
what happened?
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I had some cousins that was starting in tech. They
was in college, and some of them lived with us.
So when I didn't know what I wanted to do,
but I saw them doing it, and when they were
coming back home, I they'll give me some of their
books and stuff like that. And I always been good
at math. So I was telling my parents. I was like,
I don't know what I want to go to school for.
I was like, definitely not medical, because I ain't trying
(04:24):
to be a doctor and try to go to school
for fifteen twenty years. I didn't want to be a nurse.
And then they just told me, look, you like math,
how to do engineering math? And it was like, you
like video games, dude, go going to tech. And then
I saw a few magazines saying create video games. So
my cousins gave my my parents like a few curriculums.
(04:46):
They didn't have like a video game degree, but they
had like two or three classes or something. So they
took me to those different schools and that's like my
probably my first introduction into it.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
You said you took me to the class.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, not the class I mean they took me to
the school and you know, they read the curriculum that
you can meet the you can meet like a few advisors,
like in the summertime or something. They'll tell you by
the kind of thing. So my parents went to different
schools and let me walk around and.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Talk to people.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Damn, what what's your parents do?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
My my dad was a truck driver and my mom
she was a state worker for the hospital. So they
ain't know anything. They was like, look, talk to everybody.
Asked many questions. We'll get you there, but we don't
know what the which who you need to talk to.
So they most of my cousins filled out my stuff
for me.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I mean, ain't they ain't no, you know enough. They ain't.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
No, they ain't no, Dad, but it seems like they
know enough to put you around some people though that
could get you, you know, like what you know?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Yeah, your options?
Speaker 6 (05:52):
Man.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I always think my cousins, because one cousin did my
fast for my other cousin and filled out all my
school requests. She was like, I'm getting you in the
school somewhere. I had another cousin writing my essays for scholarships,
so they was they was they was working on me.
My cousins was doing all the stuff. They was doing
all the leg work.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Let me ask a personal question. Were they men or women?
Speaker 2 (06:23):
The ones who gave me the books? Was the men
the women did the fast?
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Was there?
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (06:31):
A thank you?
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Right? Uh?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
He just so you know, wow, say this ahead of time.
You don't have to answer an these questions.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
I just I just want to note though, I just
want to note that the men in his life provided
him with resources that inspired him, but it was the
women in his life built that foundation for him to grow.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Okay, our our mentality a teacher, man to fish.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
That girl preaching. But listen fish woman in polerment. I'm
all about it, man, I love it.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
So Patrick, what was your very first class like? Were
you overwhelmed or did you feel like you were well
prepared based on the materials that they gave you already?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Man, I was a country bumpkin. Man.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I didn't I didn't do my research. I didn't know
that college this is like I went to. I graduated No.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Seven.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
I didn't know everything was technical at this time. So
my parents took me to like the dollars Stow Walmart.
I had a backpack, twenty binders, compositions, journals, three hundred pencils.
Everybody looking at me like, well, I got this big backpack.
On I get into everybody got laptops. I'm asking the
teacher like yo, like, I got my journal, my little
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notebook thing.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
With my name, So do I put my all my
homework here?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
She said, now it's on Blackboarder move and I'm like,
what is blackboard?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Like I fell.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Asleep in orientation, so I was so lost to Everybody
was looking at me like dude, did you know anything?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Like why you got the biggest books? Like I was
sorry because.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
So let me so, let me let me tell you something.
Let me tell you something. Man, So I know where
Rico's from. My family is from Lake City, Florida. You
you country though, Yeah, it's coming off you bro.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, I'm first Street for Louisiana.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Man. It's very small. And it was just like.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
We had a we had a family Uni the nicest,
the nicest hotel and the nice hotel for we haven't
supposed to having a family. Nice hotel was a holiday
Inn Express. There was like everybody staying the Holly in Express.
I'm like, man, they ain't got like a marry out
around it exactly. We got to go all the way
(09:00):
to Gainesville.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Don't have a holiday in Express where I came up.
But I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you went to
school for you do a cis.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Yeah, I went to school for C I S.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
So I went to university and then I also went
to the community college at the same time because the
class is half off, so I try to do like
four and two.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
That's a whole break now even just a bar.
Speaker 8 (09:35):
I got a coupon for this class. I'm taking this.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
One right now.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
That's all the people needed right there, that GM right there.
Oh my god, that's phenomenal, bro. And who put you
onto that?
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Oh? No, I think it was.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I needed a class that summer, and I was looking
at the price and it might have I don't know
which cousin, but they was like, hey, man, just do
the summer classes.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
The kids told me to go to the community college
because it was cheap and it was easier because you know,
the university gonna be crazy with the homework, so it's
like summer class taking the community college super easy. And
I was like, these prices is cheaper. I'm gonna start
taking two at the community, one or two at the
community and take at least take my force. I could
still stay a full time student. So that's what I
(10:28):
started doing.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Change Change.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
And when you when you came out of school, like
were you were you doing anything to try to like
prepare yourself for your exit from from from school and
going into the work for us.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
So we just like, I'm just I figured out I
get that type shit.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
I did an internship. Man, my sophomore year was partnering
with my school. It was a nightmare.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I did not know how to code. It was for
a non unprofit cancer society. So I was like, oh dope.
It was like a family owned business and they hired
like they brother in law to be like the main programmer.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
They fell out with each other.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And gave the students to this job, and I was like, yo,
should we change the passwords? Y'all fell out with him. No, No,
he would never do that. He wiped the whole app
I woke with the next morning. My homeboy that was
in the classroom was like, yo, man, like go like.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Check out your voice message, like your voicemail.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I'm like you talking about He's like, bro, I got
three voicemails saying I should Navi get his job.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
The kids y'all ruined the app. He was like, so
I went to it. Yeah, he left me like lengthy
messages and stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
We had to go to the school. Luckily my homeboy
made a copy before we went. We left office that
day and man, it was it was some ghetto rigged
up website. Man, and it was like he you could
tell twenty different like programmers rolled it.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
It was so bad.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
That's great.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
So when you were telling them that they needed to
change this password and stuff, was that a common sense
or was that something that you had already learned while
you were in school.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I think it was like a common sense then, because
the day that we showed up, it was like some
they was yelling in them back.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
So I was like, yo, he left.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
He didn't sound happier, bro, like we should change these passwords.
Because he came back in and said a few more words,
and I'm like, Ye're like like like you were about
to come to blows.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
I'm like, Yo, this ain't no, It's not good, bro,
that's great.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Indeed, I tell everybody all the time, I said, you know,
your insire background in cyber is based on common sense,
like what would you do to protect you? That's probably
what you need to be doing to protect that network.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's say, you look pretty mad.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Oh he you think he came back in twice. I'm like, yo,
like this is a weird situation. Man, Like he's just
like the third day he just he was.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Tripping, bro, and they put it on you.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, because they thought I one of me or the
other guy that was my class wiped the whole app.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
It was blank.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
It was just like it was saying like, congratulations, you
have a domain ready to drop your your website.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I'm like, he wiped everything.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
No backup.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
We backed it up. They didn't back up anything. We
backed it up luckily.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Oh wow, that's what's up.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
So, Patrick, you're a you I developer right now U
y u x uh. So what sort of creative influences
do you have to include when you're doing the UIUX.
I mean, obviously there needs to be some form of
common sense because I guess that's like an interface for
(14:08):
any application, like the front end.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah, Like I think my biggest influence is when I
took a few trainings before. We always want to make
it as quick and easy for the users as it
can be. Some of the frameworks I use is like Angler,
which is made by Google, so I use Angler, and
I use like Bootstrap, which already does everything professionally. So
I make everything big and as close as possible. So
(14:36):
if you jump on this out, you already know what
you're clicking on, because the first thing when I build something,
I've seen users like I don't know what to do,
Like I see four buttons, I'm lost. No, it's gonna
be one big button, one big surface. You can click
on it, and it's gonna take you piece by piece.
By the time you're done, you're not confused.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
You know where to go.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And I make everything like relatively like what you used
to seeing on other apps.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Mostly, Okay, did you intend on getting into like software,
because I know I know you did went to school,
because yeahs right, you did that whole thing. Actually you
did it between two different schools, which is very impressive.
But I also noticed that you were saying how when
you got your first internship of you know that that
(15:24):
that work that you were doing, that you didn't know coding.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
I didn't wrong, it.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Was right, Yeah, I was not a coder. Yeah, man,
I did not know what I was doing at first.
When I first started, I was so lost.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
So what so what was your intentions when you were
getting going through your degree program? Did you were you
just kind of like, yeah, I know, I want to
do something with tech, or when you already angling towards
a different direction databases or something like that, and he
was like, oh well this this roll was open, and
oh I kind of like this more now right.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, that's what happened. My full intention was to be
was to be in software, but I was going to
do back in and I was going to specialize in databases.
I was gonna do data modeling and big data. I
was trying to get into that because that was like
the big thing between like twenty eleven. But when when
I got hired by IBM, first two or three months,
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I was doing data stuff but it wasn't nothing cool.
It was like at an extra table field or or
we were we was grabbing finances from I was on
the financial team.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
So if it.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Said like.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
We got the company that we we that's pursing it
from us. Now add like an extra field to say city,
so we can see what city is. And that's the
only small work I was doing and we had the
Uyux team and they went short on funding so they
had to cut them. And they told me it was
like hey U a u y Ux guy now And
(16:55):
I was like, I never did it.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
He was like, well, you got three weeks.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I'm seeing to two three jobas conferences and we're gonna
take the train and if you don't want to do it,
you know, you can leave with the group.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I was like, hey, when I'm signing up, you can
leave with the group.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Dang the old school doze.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
But I went get down that monday.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I was that was a dial bolic.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And you've been coding ever since. So you said you
wanted to do back in. Yeah, I get you end
up doing front end right with you know? Or was
that just like full status you just to get thrown
into full stack.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
It was like thrown in the fire. They did let
me do back in. It was like for like maybe
three months, but that was it. Like they let me
do like one data basis dB two which is on
by ibum. They let me do a little bit of
Oracle and then a little bit of my sequel and
they was like, look, we're just gonna put you where
you need to fit that, and then I became ibums
dedicated u X U I got so whichever project need
(17:59):
the uxuy that's yeah, they just switched in different projects.
So this project, I worked with AT and T for
a while. That's what I was telling people I did.
We did their phone service. So we did AT and
T and IBM Watson, which is the thing that did
(18:19):
Jeopardy one time.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
The AI I came the year afterwards, very famous, very famous.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
And I was on the IBM. I was on the
IBM Watson team in twenty fourteen. I did all the
U I u X stuff like when they made They
did all the data stuff for all the data proms
for the Watson AI, and then I created the forms
where you can fill it out. I did the text
(18:47):
of speech code, all the tables, and then we did
it for phone services so when you call in and
you have to talk to like a telepromoter.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
We did all that stuff with IBM washon.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Nice nice.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
So the first automated uh, the first non human response
to like help us tickets and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yes, that's what I was doing with that. Yeah, that
was stuff.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
That's dope, that's very dope.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Yeah, Like would you would you consider that to be
like the coolest thing you've done to this point?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
You got like more cool ship?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I think so because I actually joined the Watson Uh
competition and we didn't even get we didn't even get placed. Man,
this team, that's the team that did the you've seen
the commercial.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
You show it up though, yeah, show it up.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
But that commercial where they say, like.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I've been watching do the check for your health and
can predict what kind of illnesses you have?
Speaker 6 (19:46):
When they show that.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Presentation, was like, yeah, might well just gone walk on out?
They got that one, all right, y'all.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Give me a couple of them soda?
Speaker 7 (19:59):
Exactly did you did you pull up? Denzel Washington? What
said the movie I'm from around the way, I'm leaving
with something.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
When they did like presentations and demos, when we broket
climate clients in, they brought professional HIFs. Bab was a liquor,
and the liquor you don't open, they would just give
it to you, just take it. So I had all
this premiumship liquor because they were just giving it away.
When the presentations be.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Over, Phila, oh man, I was, I was like, so
what what was aside from when the brother in law
whoever that do was like scrap the whole website. What
what other like situations were you in that made you
like like like like a sneaker commercial, even the old
(20:56):
sneakers commercial.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Hung Yeah, oh man, I'd be embarrassed about this. For
one time, man ah man, I had a ratchet manager Bro.
I chased him in the parking lot one time.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Bro. Why man?
Speaker 8 (21:17):
It was uh RICO. Make sure you edited that part.
Speaker 6 (21:27):
It was It was a it was a.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Bad situation, was a rough one and it was like
maybe like right after IBM laters off I had.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
It was just like a whole bunch of rough.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Stuff going on, like I lost some family members and
like that Christmas I had lost my brother and then
February I had got this job. So he had me
as a beneficiary and I told you know, it was
the job was weird. At the beginning, this recruiting agency
hired me go there.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
I interviewed forward.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
They was like yeah, we'll let you know.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
I'm going to the car. This guy comes out like, hey,
can I talk to you for a minute. I'm like
he's like, hey, they want you. You know, you got
all the experience, but I want you not to take
the job, and I'm like, I ain't worked in two months,
but I'm gonna give him this most generic answer ever.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
I'm like, no, this sounds like a dynamic company.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I can learn from you guys, so I think it's
the best situation for both of us. He gives me
a look like no, just stff, take the job. I'm like, no,
I get to work that two weeks from that. From
that time I get there, everybody got badge's laptops. You know,
when you first start the job, you get all the stuff.
(22:39):
I get there, people say, who am I?
Speaker 6 (22:41):
What am I doing?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Like, did somebody tell me to come that day? They
didn't have my record. The dude didn't fill my stuff out.
He didn't have no I ain't had no email, no badge.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
I had to like catch this.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Golf cart thing from the security, go to the security
across the street, refill out all my stuff on my own,
call the recruiting agency.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
They had to come up there.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
And then he told them, since I got my badge,
that's a marking for being late.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
I'm like, you didn't do my stuff.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
So he just started doing weird stuff like that, and
I had a phone call said Hey, this is the
beneficiary people. My brother passed and he knew it. He
was like, very cool. I come back from lunch, I
get a call. He's knocking on my window. I say, hey,
I gotta make this call. He was like, he did
it again. He knocked on the window again.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
I was like, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
He was like, well, it's not my fault your brother
died and started laughing. I called beneficiary people back and say,
I gotta make a phone. I gotta hang up this
call real quick. I hang up soon as I opened
the door. That dude darty he already. I guess he
saw my face or something.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
He just ran.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
And called the recruiting agency on me and was like
and all security and had security front door. But people
at the office said they had saw him following me
at lunch every day, taking pictures or something.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
It was some weird stuff they said he was doing.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
So I just told I said, you know, this job
is too much, bro, Like I just I just left.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Yeah, I'm gonna go with a know on that one.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
That sounds like.
Speaker 8 (24:28):
I guess, I guess. I guess I'm just an a.
I would have been like, yeah, I ain't leaving this job.
I ain't Finnah forced me off on spot.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
You know when I when I was, they paid me
for the rest I only had, like maybe yeah, I
had three paychecks left. They just paid me the last
three paychecks because I was like, yeah, I' about to
sue us on this dude's been like follow me around
and stuff like. It was just weird stuff that found
(25:00):
out at the end that he was doing wan come
me ghetto a few times I wouldn't.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try to make this
into a thing.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
But was it a.
Speaker 8 (25:14):
You think it was a race thing? I mean.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
He was a black dude.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Oh sometimes, well race thing in that case, I ain't
gonna say it.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
You know what I was gonna say, You know what
I was gonna say.
Speaker 8 (25:33):
But yeah, but yeah, all right, Well interesting that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Was work situation.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Situations that make as though. I mean, I'm sure you
got something from that though. I mean it sounds crazy, right,
but I'm I'm at a point right now in my
life where I feel like every situation you can you
can grow from, you can learn something from, whether that
be learning more patience or just learning that some people
just don't have it all together. I mean, what kind
(26:02):
of person said some shit like I don't know, you
did better than I how to open the glove?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
All right, So so we do a lot of talk.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Right, So if anybody that doesn't know by now what
you should know about now because I haven't mentioned it,
I know, path Through Clubhouse a social media album, right,
And we do a lot of he holds regular rooms
about various different topics. We pop around to like different
(26:38):
technical rooms and whole discussions in those spaces. One of
the things that we talked about most recently was, you know,
people trying to get into the space, you know, giving
people some advisement on what they can do, what they
can look forward to, and just giving them a real lesson,
Like it's not as easy as some of the influences
(26:58):
make it seem. What are your views with respect to
that type of discussion.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
It's rough when you look like social media and you
see these guys they're like, yeah, you can. You can
be a programmer in two years, you can be making
five hundred thousand. Not everybody believes it, And it's just
like some of the craziest stories you hear, and you
got all these people doing boot camps, and I feel
like it gets saturated because they wouldn't know what they
(27:29):
get into. They just think, oh, I'm working remote, and
they just see the money and then when they get
into it.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
That's why I think these jobs have these crazier.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Interview processes now, seven rounds, three assessment tests and stuff
like that. I feel like that changes the dynamic of
our hiring process plus our work backgrounds.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
You think makes it like better or worse.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I think it makes it worse because, like, man, it
burns you out when when they changed the hiring processes
now just because they're trying to weed out the people
who prices on Instagram and then or any social media's
or any guys on YouTube that just be like, yeah,
you can make five hundred thousand. I feel like they
put more layers on all these hiring processes or even
(28:18):
the jobs as well.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
So I think it kind of makes it a little.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Bit worse for us. Yeah, and I I agree. I
think I think it definitely makes it worse on both ends.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Right for the candidate and for the organization because the candidate,
you know, you got to go through five, seven rounds
whatever it is, that's a lot, right, and some of
this stuff it's like you're not even you're almost doing
work some of it, you know, you're not even getting
paid for it organizational wise, you know, especially if a
(28:59):
few of these rounds consists of panels. Right, That's however,
many individuals are seeing that panel you know, times they're
out here rate times a number of candidates they got
to go through. Like that's money that they're spending that
they're not getting a product from, right, They're hoping that
they can get an employee from it.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Well, you know, the real, the real problem behind these
layers and layers of interviews is that the company itself
doesn't exactly know what it needs, and so it need
to try to filter out a lot of information fairly quickly,
and it usually has to go through different people because
(29:42):
nobody knows all of it, and so like at this point,
and I was, I was complaining about this to somebody
else the other day, and employers are like, oh, yeah,
show up, Like, yeah, of course we're willing to train you.
That's no problem, Like, come on in, we just want
to see what you know. There's no boundary to this question.
You can ask all the details that you need. Just
(30:04):
go ahead and figure it out. That's because they don't
have any idea what they want.
Speaker 7 (30:10):
Well, I noticed in one of my one of my
interview processes with the company I work for in the past,
I mean, the guy just got a list of questions
and the list of responses. So the problem with that
is that it's more than just answering the questions. You know,
you can approach it from different ways. You know, it
doesn't have to be like the straight up like you know,
(30:32):
you know red and black is green. You know, it
could be a different approach, It could be a different
I mean, you know what I'm saying. It's not just
like a binary answer.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Yes, No, it can be a.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
Different way like you can do especially from a technical inspective,
you can do one thing like five or six different ways.
Speaker 8 (30:48):
Let's get the same results.
Speaker 6 (30:50):
You know.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
Plus, the thing that I look for in an interview
is how the person thinks about the stuff, right, like
the thought process. But if you don't really know the
technology and know how to ask the question, are you
hearing is well he didn't get answer right, Well, he
might be brilliant and think about it from a certain way.
Speaker 8 (31:07):
So yeah, I think that I think companies that do
that process are missing out on some really good talent.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Yeah, that's actually exactly why I asked that question Patrick,
when I was like, Oh, did you just think to
chase this password or was that some training that you had,
because a lot of it just common sense, like how
are you approaching it?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
That that's one hundred percent truth because I was gonna
piggyback over Rigid and Ebony. I did an interview before
where I got the answer wrong, but he said that
he was actually testing me on the thought process and
they got me to the next round because even though
I got it wrong, he was like, the way you
thought about it, like you he could tell that I
(31:46):
know I was talking about and every when you was
talking about the interview where like they don't know what
they want. One of the teams I was on, I
was doing a lot of interviews. I was doing the
first round and when I was reading out the requirements,
I'm like, why do we got don't even do this stuff?
Like why is this on the job requirement? We don't
even use this software.
Speaker 6 (32:05):
We don't.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
We barely can spend money getting new laptops, and you
got all these different softwares. It's three thousand dollars a no,
like it raised that off.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
You don't want to requirements if.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
You don't get better, because they're gonna stay using to
make these ricks get better.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
So so, I don't know if you guys know this
or not, but there is a company that started with
the VC. You guys should watch. It's a it's a
it's called Moon Moon Shotters. I think it's the name
of the podcast. Anyway, this guy interviews like dope ass
people all the time on this podcast. But there's a
(32:46):
company he did a VC in development and where they're
actually developing AI.
Speaker 8 (32:51):
To do the interviews. Mm hm, so you don't even
have to talk to a person, so that yeah.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
So, like, and the company's raised like one hundred million
dollars or something like I can't remember that number, but
they've raised like one hundred million dollars, and all these
fortunate five companies are like, you know, bringing this company,
I want to do that start doing their interviewing process.
They just have to train the model and everything like that.
So it's it's a it's you know, I don't know
how much better that's going to be or how much
(33:20):
how much how.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Good they so much money though they're going to save
so much money. Theyby don't reinvest that into development programs
for their employees.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
I'm not gonna say something, but there's a company that
I know that may or may not already be doing that.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
You mute, I think saying it's gonna be another subscription.
Speaker 8 (33:45):
Yeah for the companies.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Yeah, for the companies for sure, for sure another subscription.
But yeah, that's dope, bro, that's dope.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
You you pick up many mentees on the app, Yeah,
it's a few, or even like in your current work
on your team or anything.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
I do mentor a lot.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
What I was doing, I was getting a lot of
because when I was in college a lot. I was
getting turned on a lot. Twenty ten, there was a
lot of I think, well it was different. There was
not a lot of women in there. It wasn't very diverse,
and I got turned on a lot. So a lot
of times I mentor women in tech, women or black
(34:36):
people back in like twenty ten, twenty eleven.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
So now the women, huh, what's that you gotta take
for the women?
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Man's man?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
I tried to, like when we do internships, I mentored
a lot of the black kids that do get the
internships for the summer. So like I'll try to take
on like two or three because we won't give them
that much work to give them like a little light stuff.
But at least they give them a chance. They get
them better what I had when I was going to school.
So and then on the app, man I mocked interviewed
(35:11):
a lot of people that was like graduating from college
that they end up getting their jobs on that line
when I first got on club out. So yeah, off
the app and on app, I try to talk to
a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I can what do your what are your next steps?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Like, are you already like shooting off to like your
next milestone or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I think I'm gonna go comfortable you are.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
I think I'm gonna go to business route next. I'm
trying to look into that now. Me being in in
uy Ux front end, I work with the clients more
closer than the other developers do. So a lot of
times I do a lot of stuff with the ba's
and business touch points. So the next route is try
to go to business route.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
In by business right, you mean like just learning more
about the you know, the business and how that correlates
to what you guys are doing or what the company.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Does exactly like yeah, trying to go like director route
if I have to be a BA for a little
bit or or scrum as just to get like every
touch of because I've been a manager for like the
last six eight years, so try to go.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
More into exactly.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I wouldn't mind trying to be like a technology existent
or direct of technology. Next, Like I work with those
guys closely, so maybe the next two or three years,
see how I can transition into something like that. Next
you have a mentor. It's kind of ushering you through
that process. No, not giving options, no, no, mostly just
(36:47):
been my director now, like they gave me this like
advancement thing. And then the guy that was I direct
the technology, he trans over to the government side. So
I work with closely, like on the weekly basis. He
was telling me how to try to get those routes.
That's about the closest mentor guy. Mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:16):
One time it sounded like a lion was in the background.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Like what is going on right now?
Speaker 4 (37:25):
I can't help me. I got a strong vibe, bro,
that's what it is. Strong vibe. You got kids? I
almost call you.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
No, no kids, man, no kids.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Nah, I don't look like that and that's his name
on the club we got we have aliases, yeah, to
know who we are.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
Well, it's ruined since we've associated this alias with his
name here.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
I mean you I used to say that, and I
usually don't, but I can't to.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
It's fine.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
We believe man, this podcast. It's it's fine.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
We can appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
So you say you do have kids and no, no,
no kids? No no kids, no kids?
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Okay, all right, so that's all your money? Yeah, exactly, man,
any plans for kids or you just kind of like,
you know, dang.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
What's happening here?
Speaker 6 (38:40):
Said?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Oh yeah, like I always bel you know, definitely, and
that love me.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
I'm just saying, what kind of podcast this is? Singles?
Speaker 6 (38:55):
You like?
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Not that kind of.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
Understand.
Speaker 6 (39:01):
That's all.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
That's all I'm trying to understand. Let's let's back it
up a little bit in terms of you.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
You know, what, if you know anybody?
Speaker 6 (39:10):
Do say?
Speaker 4 (39:12):
If you know anybody? Patrick? We're looking for?
Speaker 6 (39:17):
All right?
Speaker 4 (39:19):
All right?
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Patrick? In your current position, what do you think is
the most important skill set that you've had to bring
to it?
Speaker 6 (39:34):
I think thought process.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I've a lot of my end of the year reviews
they say that like they write that I see issues
months before it happens. Like I'm very detailed on Like
when I be working, I'll write out like, hey, we're
gonna run to this problem.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
This has to be changed now.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
If not, we're going to like lose two or three
weeks worth of work. That's a lot of money to lose.
So just the way I see and things before it actually.
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Happens, what helped you those skills?
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I think, man, growing up, my dad always made me
do stuff. If you do something once, make sure you
do it the right way.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
So you wanted to do it.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Over because I used to cut grass with him. If
I miss one thing of grass, I gotta.
Speaker 6 (40:20):
Recut the whole yard.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
If if I do.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
My homework and it got a smudge on it, now
I throw that paperweight to go do another one. Now
my mind says, like, let me just make sure everything
done the whole nine yards.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
So I think that just thought process just came with
me from from chores and just growing up under my parents.
Speaker 6 (40:42):
Just like that.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
I think that's what got me to that point in
the military.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
So that.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
You missed, you missed the blade, do the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
Oh yeah, they've had a whole dirt front yard, dirt.
Speaker 8 (41:09):
Take that long, take that lawn, moved back in the house,
and get them scissors.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
Out, the cuticle scissors.
Speaker 6 (41:18):
He did not play.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
For real? What do you do to decompress?
Speaker 3 (41:23):
I mean you talked about some pretty exciting events, right,
But when you get your you know, that stress level.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Goes up, like how do you pull out? Or do
you pull out and and kind of give yourself some time?
Speaker 6 (41:38):
Oh? Man, Yeah, like a lot of times I travel, or.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
A lot of times I just get out of the house, man,
A lot I got to because man, some some of
these jobs used to be stressful. Now I just pretty
laid back, pretty chill. But you just get away from
computers for a little bit. And I've definitely been trying
to travel a little bit more.
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Now, where do you want to go?
Speaker 6 (42:04):
Where do you what?
Speaker 4 (42:07):
What did I miss?
Speaker 5 (42:08):
Patrick? Where do you want to try?
Speaker 4 (42:10):
What did I miss? I want to know? It's like
she's like a fifth grader, what what what happened? What happened?
Speaker 8 (42:20):
Patrick?
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Where do you want to try?
Speaker 6 (42:23):
I missed it too, I missed it?
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Uh, we want to know, Reggie, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (42:33):
Rico? Are you going to allow Patrick to answer? My question.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
Yeah, go ahead ahead, Yeah, I got. I got some
family that was stationed in Japan. He retired, but he's
still doing as a civilians. Last ten years, he's back
in Japan. So I saw, I might just go out
there for like two weeks or something and hang out.
I think that might be like the next trip.
Speaker 5 (42:56):
Oh, you been in Japan before?
Speaker 1 (42:58):
No, I've never been, so I was like, that would
be definitely adupe one. I like technology, video games and
stuff trying to I think it'd be a dope trip.
Speaker 5 (43:10):
That sounds that sounds like it's gonna be an amazing trip.
I vote for that one.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Oh yeah, I've been vote for that one.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
I've been traveling a lot more. Now, what's that.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
She said? She voted?
Speaker 5 (43:25):
I thought it was like, I mean, any any other
any place he can imagine that you can probably get.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
There if you can go to Japan. Yeah, yeah, it's
a wide open Japan's That's a good one though. That's
definitely a good one.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:43):
I think the last three or four years, I've been
trying to travel more and more. I went to early
last year, early two years ago. I went to London
in November.
Speaker 6 (43:54):
So I was like, yeah, let me, how's how's the
weather out? Then? It wasn't bad.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
When I went there, they said it was gonna be
freezing cold. But I went the week before it was
like freezing, like ice cold.
Speaker 6 (44:10):
Do they have like thunder and lightning?
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Noah, Man, it was just like like cloudy the whole
ten days of I went to London and France.
Speaker 6 (44:17):
It was just cloudy.
Speaker 8 (44:23):
Smooth transition, smooth transition.
Speaker 5 (44:28):
It wasn't opening there like these sound effects are community
that it's time to learn something. I learned something too,
So Patrick, this is the part of our show where
we ask our guests to think of something to teach
us in sixty seconds or less. You tell us what
(44:50):
you're gonna teach us, and then you got sixty seconds
to go ahead.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
All right, but it's starting to out.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
Yeah, you start right now.
Speaker 6 (45:01):
Hold on the first pick of subject you want to
talk about for sixty sevens. Yeah, somebs you want to
teach us in sixty sevens. All right.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
What you're gonna do is when you find out your
topic and you're ready, just announce your topic. I'm going
to be teaching about boom and I'm gonna start the timer,
all right, So.
Speaker 6 (45:21):
In U X UI.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
So for for a mobile, if you ever want to
do iOS, you can use something like Flutter or what's
the other one, Swift that's the one that's made by
iOS if you ever want to build something with that. Well,
with Android you use Android Studio. You can use Cochlin
or Java and that will build all your Dragon drop buttons,
(45:45):
which is easy for you if you want to ever
make an Android out. And then for JavaScript, they have
different things like Angler, React, and JS which is easy
for you, is already pre built. It's easy enough for
people that's none developers to build it. So you can
use any of those three at any time. And I
(46:06):
can also write these names down for you later and
you can have something ready to build and less than
thirty minutes.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Trying to think what else could.
Speaker 6 (46:18):
I tell y'all?
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I think that's what I got in the quick sixty
seconds for you guys.
Speaker 5 (46:26):
Oh No, that was pretty informative. And I like how
you put the plug in to give notes later to
take up some of the time of your explanation that
some good.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Thinking appreciate that aciate a lot of teaching.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
No, I went to my I went to my old
college because I wanted to be an adjunct teacher, but
they said I have to have a master's degree. But
when I was with IBM, I used to go talk
to minority schools for a while. I went to like
maybe six or seven dollars and I would just give
out pamphlets to kids and stuff like that. And when
(47:04):
the other people they just talked to them. I actually
like sat down with the kids and just asked what
the kids really wanted to do and just started telling
them to go just part of pamphlet. Like I was like,
people can just tell you what they can speak to
at you. But I was like, I'm gonna talk to
y'all see what you really want to do.
Speaker 6 (47:22):
Like this can make a change.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
And I put salaries on the back because that was
my what encouraged me to keep.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Going to school.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
When I saw that salary for the different I was like,
all right, let me see me gonna lock in and
you're gonna get these a's and b's real quick.
Speaker 6 (47:37):
And that's what the kids. They didn't care about. Then
I said, they saw the salaries, like I can make
that much more. The kids locked in And.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
That's just saying you know what I'm saying. Anything else
you want to leave the people with before we close out.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Yeah, man, I always tell people this, Man I just
recovered from I had I disease for like eight years,
and like these I.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
Had I disease.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
It's a it's a it's a it's a genetic one.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
A lot of my family just got it's called carry
the cone's. I lost my vision for like two years
with the during the surgery time. So I tell people
all the time, get your checkups done.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
I got my checkups, but my insurance was just always
pushing surgeries back and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
So I always just keep for different things.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
If you see something, never even know what the doctors
tell you, like keep them checkups.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
Nazi twenty twenty. Man I had four eye surgeries and
the matter two years.
Speaker 4 (48:47):
And stuff.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
I mean, that's that's some good information too, because a
lot of times going like Brian trying to get that,
you know, trying to get that pape rup and see
what John said the best. But uh yeah, well, don't
buy help take care of yourself.
Speaker 4 (49:08):
You guys, got anything you want to leave the people with?
Speaker 5 (49:12):
You know, you gotta tell me no, thanks so much
for showing up. Patrick.
Speaker 6 (49:19):
I was gonna say I was gonna say the same thing,
and uh make sure, will you, and make sure you
listen to the.
Speaker 8 (49:27):
Real views cold Out.
Speaker 6 (49:33):
You're getting out, everything you getting out
Speaker 4 (49:38):
I'm gonna starting to record it.
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