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May 14, 2025 32 mins
The New Orleans City Council unanimously passed an ordinance on May 8, 2025, to protect sex workers from arrest and prosecution for prostitution if they are reporting crimes committed against them. This new law codifies an existing New Orleans Police Department policy that discourages arresting sex workers who are victims or witnesses to crimes, aiming to encourage their cooperation with investigations without fear of their own arrest.

A key component, the "Right to Safe Sex" provision, prevents law enforcement from using the possession of condoms as evidence of prostitution.

The Trans Income Project, a Louisiana-based support group for transgender individuals, was a significant force behind this legislation, highlighting its potential benefits for trans people, many of whom have experience in the sex industry.

It's important to note that while this ordinance applies to the New Orleans Police Department, it does not cover other law enforcement agencies operating within the city, such as Troop NOLA.

Other Cities and Vicinities Considering Decriminalization of Prostitution
Several other jurisdictions have been discussing or have introduced legislation concerning the decriminalization of sex work. Here's what was found:
* Washington, D.C.: Advocates in D.C. have highlighted that decriminalizing sex work is a matter of health, safety, and survival, noting that criminalization can lead to various threats for sex workers. Models in other countries like New Zealand and Belgium, where decriminalization has occurred, show improved conditions for sex workers, including better legal, health, and safety rights, and improved relations with police.
* New York: Bills have been introduced (S3075/A849 in 2022) aiming to remove criminal penalties for consenting adults involved in sex work. The arguments in favor suggest this could lead to better regulation, improved healthcare access, and increased support for those in the industry.
* Massachusetts: Similar to New York, Massachusetts has considered legislation (bill H1867) to decriminalize prostitution while maintaining legal consequences for pimps and buyers, focusing on reducing exploitation and ensuring sex worker safety.
* Vermont: Vermont has also engaged in discussions about decriminalizing sex work (bill H630), with proponents arguing it would promote harm reduction and improve access to support services.
* Missouri: Discussions regarding the potential decriminalization of prostitution are also taking place in Missouri.
* Hawaii and Rhode Island: Lawmakers in Hawaii have introduced measures to decriminalize prostitution for both sex workers and clients. In Rhode Island, some lawmakers are pushing for measures to protect sex workers and clients who report crimes.
* Tennessee: Legislation has been introduced in Tennessee to provide some protections for sex workers.

It's worth noting that while many states have proposed legislation to decriminalize sex work over the past decade (including Maine, Massachusetts, New York, and Vermont, as well as Washington, DC), these broader state-level policy changes have often faced challenges in passing. Currently, Nevada is the only U.S. state where prostitution is legal in some counties through licensed brothels.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Podcasting since two thousand and five. This is the King
of Podcasts radio network, KINGO Podcasts dot com, Les le
Bon Temple. The City of New Orleans has just opened
up shop on the world's oldest profession. We're all a

(00:21):
little depraved and debaucherist. Here is the King of Podcasts.
You heard me right, New Orleans. The City of New
Orleans has approved prostitution in some way, shape or form
in a big easy We're gonna go and talk about
it real quick. The praise and de bauchers. Welcome to
the program. I hope you are all having a wonderful

(00:43):
setup for summer. I know here in South Florida where
I'm at, it's starting to go ahead and start warming up, so,
you know, clothes get at a little less necessary, and
we start kind of unfilling ourselves into a long, hot
summer of who knows real to privating the bachri here
would a matche but anyways, here it is. So the
story coming out of the New Ornans City Council last week.

(01:08):
They approved an ordinance that will protect sex workers from
arrest and prosecution for prostitution when they have reported crimes
committed against them while working. So the six members president
at the Council voted in favor of the proposed ordinance.
There was one representative that was not president, but was
voting the recommend passage during a Council meeting hearing previously.

(01:29):
So Mayor LaToya Contrell will now be set to signing
this into law. So this ordinance codifies into study law
on existing New Orleans Police Department of policy discouraging officers
from arresting sex workers for prostitution if there are victims
or witnesses to a crime, with the hope that they
would cooperate with investigations without fair of arrest. And so

(01:51):
the ordinance was drafted with the input of the NPD
and the Orleans Pairs Defense Attorney's Office. Now one of
the groups that led the advocacy towards this bill this
ordinance is the Trans Income Project, the community support group
for trans people in Louisiana, and the group's executive director,
Natalie Wrote, said the change would benefit trans people, many

(02:12):
who report having worked in the sex industry at some
point in their lives according to surveys. So it's a
great needed legal cover for transfolk and sex workers, particularly
when dealing with the carceral system and the criminal justice system.
So along with protecting sex workers who have reported crimes,
the provision will also place restrictions on how police can
investigate sex workers, regardless of whether they have identified themselves

(02:35):
as a crime victor or witness. Now it's titled right
to Save Sex and it's preventing law enforcement from using
the possession of condoms as evidence of prostitution. And a
survey by Human Rights Watch said that half of interviewed
sex workers carry fewer condoms on them than they would
prefer if you're negative interactions to the police causing public
health concerns. So does that mean they're going to start

(02:57):
carrying more contraception. I don't know, anymore protection for themselves.
I mean, you know, I'd never really thought about the
fact that women or men or women that get into
this field, the sex workers, actually think about the fact
that they need to go and have condoms for them
and the case of because if they're gonna be using condoms,

(03:18):
I mean, how often do you know that they're gonna
I mean, how many different jobs are they going to
go through a night. So that's the other thing I'm
kind of considering, Like also not cheap and if you
really wanted to go ahead and keep an eye on
which women are buying condoms, we'll just go to the stores.
Just go to the drug stores where they're being bought
or you know whatever, Bodega's, corner stores, whatever coming you stores.

(03:40):
You'll probably be able to find out who's buying it
for them, whether it's a pimp or somebody else. Like
if you see them as a consistent condom buyer, probably
rest his shirt, as somebody who's having a lot of
sex that might be personally having at or more importantly,
it could be someone that is maybe in the point
of doing something where maybe there's more of a public

(04:01):
outcry for them because they're out there making the business
of it. They're in the profession of the oldest thing
profession out there. So now this municipal law only applies
to the New Orleans Police Department and not other agencies
to operate in the city. So there's also the State Police,
which is the Troop LA that was sent to the

(04:22):
city last year by Governor Jeff Landry. That's probably because
of the issues that happened and Near's Eve in New Orleans,
because of what happened there with terrorism. So State Police
troopers will still have the ability to the rest sex
workers were prostitution under state law, but after which they
could be prosecuted under the State of Training General's office.
But that's got to be something that's pretty big, and

(04:42):
that state troopers are going to go in there and
start arresting prostitutes, and I don't think that's gonna be
something in their purview. They're gonna be worried about too much.
Now it's not clear what the state police has thought
about instanting a similar policy, but state police did not
immediately answer questions about how the troops the state troopers
will interact with sex workers after the law passes, and

(05:04):
that the fact that the state police is only enforcing
state not in municipal laws. Now there are other bills
of the Trans Income Project wants to go and push
on local government and they want to take this as
a piece of model legislation and bring in the other
cities in Louisiana and help extend similar levels of protection
across the state. The trans community for this Trans Income

(05:26):
Project concerned about sex workers. It's an interesting dynamic us there.
But then again, you know, I don't know any of
you out there ever, go out and look for who's
out there working. But you know, one of the things
I could tell you that at least when I've driven
around as an Uber driver, or even before then, if

(05:49):
I just run around the cities. Now these days, I
don't know if it's partly because of the fact that
most of your sex workers are not in the streets anymore,
because of fact that they can go online and go
to only fans, they can go to some other sites
that are accessible easily for people to go ahead and find,
you know, and if they don't want to go do that,

(06:09):
they can just find their local massage parlor they want
to do that, you know, or a body replace. So
there's places that big guys can go to get something,
or your local strip clubs and you know, paying off
in the champagne room. But what we're learning more and
more now is the fact that this is something that's
interesting in terms of a bigger city. So we know
in New York we've heard things going on. It's really

(06:30):
the bigger cities where there's so much foot traffic out
there and so much traffic out there in general, that
there's a warranting of trying to go out there and work,
Like where I'm at. It's not as big a city,
but I can tell you that there's not that much
prostitution as there was twenty years ago. Part of it
is because the Sheriff's office, or yeah, mostly for the

(06:51):
sheriff's office, except for the exceptions of some in the
city police that will allow certain workers out there. There's
not that many out there in the first place, because
the one thing that we're dealing with over here and
where I'm aut in Pombage County is homeless. So because
of the dynamic of the amount of men that are
homeless here as opposed to women, that constant harassment, costant
issues for the women out there trying to go and

(07:13):
do sex work. They can't really deal with the homeless
out there and the kind of barrage of undesirables being
out there, not necessarily people that are like down on
their luck, but there's some people that just gotten very
drug addled and they're just not in good shape, and
when they go out there, it's like, well, forget about it.
Like the benefit for some of the women out there

(07:34):
or the men I would say that would look to
be found for sex work, you just go to find
a number and just go call and go that route
because it's got to be online. And you know, it's
different now that we don't have Backpage anymore, which used
to be the real hub for that kind of thing
or craiglist. But it's all changed. But in the bigger
cities it still as an issue, and we're learning more

(07:54):
that more transgenders are getting more caught up in prostitutes
in the first place. I not make it as as
a study that is out there, but if this Transit
Good project is coming in about this, they must be
saying something that must be in particular at what's going
on here and why they're why are to designed to
go and do what they're doing. Now, there is an

(08:15):
out that I'm taking from Newell normand I don't know
where he's with, but this is on Odyssey dot Com
the Odyssey Radio Networks, and he says that a safer
city is always preferable to unsafe city. Lower crime rates
are always better than high crime rates. But living in
a society means that every decision comes with the trade
off an opportunity costs, So you can't let good intentions

(08:36):
keep you from evaluating those trade offs. Now, as for
the criminalizing sex work in the Orleans Parish for crime victims.
Noel's saying that the proposal will intention they're trying to
protect sex workers, the overwhelming majority of whom are young women.
But there's a butt now again the two elements of

(08:57):
the ordinances protecting sex work for prosecution and arrest when
they're reporting crimes. So what a prostitute is with a
client and they beat and rob her, prostitute can go
to the police, report the crimes to the more Land's
Police Department and now be at risk of facing punishment
for prostitution. And the ordinance secondly bars condon possession from
being used as evidence for prostitution charges. So this is

(09:20):
a light version of the Nordic model, taking away the
criminal status from the seller, placing it all on the buyer,
which I'm fine with that. I think that's much more
of a fair and sensible thing for the woman out here.
I mean, they're trying to go and make it where
you're not pushing so much and penalizing the women are
out here trying to go and make a living. That's

(09:41):
the part where I can kind of understand that part.
It's a choice. So if there are again if it's
predominantly young women, there are trans genders that are out
there doing the same, And I can tell you there
are some out there because I saw women that you know,
could have been considered changing it, or they were, or
at least I knew there were men that were out

(10:02):
there that were trans sexual and they were dressed as
women out in the street. That actually was very common
before a prostitution really got cracked down where I'm out
here in Palmdge County, and even the same for Brier
County as well. I can say that too. They say
that this provides insufficient protection, still views sex worker as
a criminal, as criminal work, and fleeting for the further

(10:22):
pressure for full skilled legalization regulation. If you keep track
of countries that legalized prostitution, you always see an expansion
of the sex market, yielding higher rates of human trafficking.
Because human trafficking praise on the vulnerable and the underage
and foreigners who were less likely to go to the
cops to begin with. Well, that's the part you got
to go and go after, is that you don't want

(10:43):
to have it where prostitutions just made so wide open
and as scans where young men and women can be
brought into this and then doctrinated into it and just
candnapped brought into this. You want to get rid of
that part, because of course that's all behind closed doors.
We're talking about the fact that this sex work is
on the street. You could see it in front, and

(11:05):
it's like a don't as to hotel. You might see
it happening. And I'm sure that for the men and
women that are out there trying to protescute themselves, they're
probably looking at go and find some real money out
there from men and women are out there looking to
go and get laid because they're all drunk and all
at it from being out there acting like it is

(11:25):
Marty Grass every day on Bourbon Street or the French
Quarter itself. So Nordmonic is becoming more common in the US.
Places like Maine, Baltimore, Chicago already instituted this kind of
style initial stages. You're all the talking points that it
removes sex work from the bowels of a society, provice
workers more protection, security, and healthcare. He says here, I

(11:45):
don't want anybody to suffer abuse and feel unable to
approach law enforcement when crimes are committed against them. But
the important question to ask is what's the most likely
outcome as opposed to a desired outcome. So he goes
on to the idea like if you did the same
thing with sex works, what it seems to be going
for cannabis other things like that? So you bring in
boatloads of tax money, number of odes and crime rates

(12:08):
will plummet, and how many abuse sex workers to get
police protection? So when you take the steps in the
direction of legalization, you offer invitation to those in surrounding
areas involved in similar criminal behavior to take advantage of
laxture laws. So the Nordic model, he says here, is
simply the same one size fits all approach often try
but doesn't work, he says. But he says on with

(12:30):
a question, do you want the French court real quick
to lose? Start relaxing sex workers legal legislation. Start right
there and see if it won't spread to the surrounding neighborhoods.
See if it won't encroach on businesses, school zones, or
public spaces. See if it won't lead to more advertising
your public solicitation. Why do what you do? Like do
you create a bunny ranch in New Orleans? And like say, okay,

(12:52):
I mean I'll put it like this. If you want
to go institute sex work, then why not have brothels
be allowed? Legal brothels in the French quarter. Just don't
have it on the street and have it where those
places have to have people that are protecting, like the
people that are gonna be having those brothels make it.
And that's in that sense you could do that. Then
you're just going to the Latin American model. Let's see,
like you know, love motels and the clubs where you

(13:14):
can go upstairs and get something done. You know, all
the cheap you could do that. Now they think that
would be the direction to go if you're going to
do something about it, I mean if it's not out
in public. And that's the thing too with the process
is where are they going to go with these young
men and women when they're going to go and get
a client. Where are they going with them on this?

(13:36):
Is it gonna be in a street corner and an alley?
Like where are they going to go in a car?
You don't want them to be in that environment. That's
where in this case I think you if new're're supposed
to do something, you don't necessarily need to do what
Los AGAs does, but it should be enclosed. So make
it where the brothels are legalized. Make it where there
are legal brothels that are allowed and you know they're

(13:58):
checked on, inspect or whatever, and you know, whatever it
is you want to get a tax on them, go
for it. Then you go that route. Because the thing
too is that when you have people visiting New Orleans,
they're having an adult time. Okay, they're gonna go get drunk,
they're gonna go and get laid, they're gonna go out
and do things. They're looking for depravity in the battery
by going to the New Ornans for the French Quarter experience. Okay,

(14:22):
not everybody's there to go ahead and look at the
churches and look at the you know, the river boats
and all this stuff. That's all nice and good. But
I can tell you when you go down to the
Bourbon Street, obviously you see the environment it's out there,
especially during Marti Gras. You think on a religious holiday
they would do that on last Westday, but they do. Nevertheless,
people are going there to New Orleans if they want
to go and go somewhere to go and get some
have some fun, find somebody to go full around with.

(14:45):
Then make it with us legal brothels. Set that up
and make it something with more common to go into,
and I think that would work out better. So Nolan
Norman mentions the other cities we're doing this, but let's
go and go in to delve into what other areas
could looking to do the same thing here. So I
did a little research on it. So here are some

(15:06):
of the other cities and vicinities considering decriminalizing prostitution. So Washington,
DC right now as highlighted the criminalizing sex work as
a matter of health, safety, and survival known in the
criminalization can lead to various threats for sex workers and models.
In other countries like New Zealand and Belgium, where decriminalization
has occurred, showed improved conditions for sex workers, including better legal,

(15:28):
health and safety rights and improved relationship with police. So DC,
we've talked about New York bills introduced in New York,
and we've talked about this, you know, a couple of
years ago they were talking about moving forward with this.
So there's a Senate bill and an Assembly bill in
twenty twenty two that aim to remove criminal penalties for
cosintic adults involved in sex work. I did this on

(15:49):
When I'm Broadcasting series. The Arguments of Favor suggests this
could lead to better regulation, improved healthcare access, and increased
support for those in the industry. Massa Choosetts also considering
legislation that would also decriminalize while maintaining legal consequences for
pimps and buyers. Focus to Go Reducing exploitation and sharing
sex worker Safety and Vermont they've engaged in discussions about decriminalizing,

(16:14):
with proponents argument it would harm reduction and approve access
to support services. You also have the same talk about
in Missouri and Hawaii and Rhode Island and Tennessee. So
we know that there have been states of the proposed
legalization the criminalized sex work. These broader state level policy

(16:36):
changes have often faced challenges in passing Again. Nevada is
the only US state where the entire state is legal
for prostitution in some counties through linse brothels. You might
as just do the same thing here in New Orleans.
You may get where's an area where there are licensed
brothels the same route. It's inevitable. Prostitution is still going

(16:58):
to be around anyways. And let's make this clear, we
wouldn't have to go this route if we didn't have
to go through the issues of the constant thing of
where you look at everything right now when it comes
to people in relationships. The thing is that guys, maybe

(17:22):
they're not always necessarily maybe we always hear the whole part. Oh,
guys are happy being staying single and they're not necessarily
going into any situationships or any relationships because they don't
want to deal with any modern independent women that are
just very much describing and making the case that guys
don't need to go and worry about them because your

(17:45):
love is not enough for them and their money is
not enough for them. Again, we know that our relationships
right now these days are all based on love, sex
and money, and there's no love from some of these
women that want this. They want sex and money, not
even sex. If they give find a guy that they're
attracted to all the normal qualifications. They're rich, successful, they

(18:10):
are attractive, they are a certain height and a certain girth.
That's what they want. And there's only a few of
those guys that are around. There are only a certain
small percentage, but the rest of the guys. We're not
going to hear that part of the conversation where you know,
guys will find some place to go ahead and get

(18:32):
themselves even tempered, right, get themselves relaxed, whether it's to
their own self love, trial tribulations, or they go find
some place to go to get themselves, you know, managed
take off the tension, find a way a little stress breaker.
Which is why there are a plethora of massage parlors

(18:54):
and body reb salons that are out there. It's not
hard to find. I mean, you can go look for them.
There's enough message of boards out there, there's enough places
you can go and find out where people will go
and talk about on a regular basis. Just just pick
that point. Of course, there's the passport pros. Some guys
will just go and just go out and in the
same way they are working round, they're getting to interact

(19:17):
with women that basically are kind of prostituting themselves to
be found and to be brought over to the States
and to be cared for. It does make that clear too,
But more importantly, we're looking at the fact that prostitution
is going to be a necessity for some guys because
we're not able to get into the regular relationships like

(19:38):
we'd like to. We're not able to get in the
situationships like it normally would be without being put with
a price tag or some kind of boundary in place
that evolves money coming out of our wants or some
kind of gifts or something else that a woman finds
for the discussion of your income. Because they don't want
to spend their own money, nor that you want to

(19:58):
spend money on you. They don't want to reverse the
they don't want to do that at all. No, never,
so the good times rolling in the Orleans. We'll see
if this all gets passed. We'll keep an eye on it,
and we'll reward it back here once again. But in
the meantime, what is the issue about why guys might
resort themselves to prostitution or to find some other place

(20:20):
to go ahead and go pay for play. If they
have to do that wrong, If they're gonna go pay
for play, they're gonna be honest about it. And women,
that's the other part. I mean, if you want to
go ahead and make that point, there are probably some
guys that would be willing to entertain you looking for
discussionary spending or someone to support them for you to

(20:41):
be supported by them. But this means you actually have
to put out. That means you actually have to put
the effort in, at least sexually, to satisfy the men
that are willing to support you. So how many women
can say they can do that, that they're willing to
go and say, Okay, if the guy supports me sex
any time, you and I can't say no, and I

(21:02):
can't be hesitant and I have to do what he
wants because he's given me what I want. If we
just went to that barrier, now, how many women are
willing to go and say yes, I'll do that, or
how many they we're gonna stick to their bridges and
say no, I still want things because I'm pretty, I'm beautiful,
and you and I deserve it and you should just
do it without complaining. Take care of my bills, take

(21:26):
care of my payments, take care of my kids, all this.
But imagine if we put that in place, if there
was a rule absolutely, okay, situationship. You want to make
a situationship, okay, but you know it's not like uh,
I mean, it's it's gonna be paid for play like
you actually have to perform, put a price tag on it.
Go because if these girls don't want to have that,

(21:50):
there are other girls that will. Because that's the thing.
There are women that are willing to go through that
route to sell themselves in order to go and make
a living. However they want to do it, they are
a women that will do that. Some that come into
the country, they realize whether it is their way to get
moving ahead, if they don't have papers, whatever it is,
or other things. But think about it. In other countries,

(22:14):
it's common commonplace, which is why there's an RDIC model,
which is why there's a Latin American model, which is
why there's an Asian model. Whatever there is. This is
a commonplace thing. Prostitution. If it was done and closed,
legalized license, yeah, then why not do that. The thing is,
you don't have to go and legalize and decriminalize the
whole thing. It's the same way where cannabis works. In

(22:37):
the same way where cannabis. If you're gonna have it, okay,
it needs to be within certain stores, dispensaries, medical marijuna,
treatment centers, doctor prescribe, or you have another way to
go and do it. But it's gonna be a license dispensary.
That's gonna be go do that. So cannabis is already
doing that. Prostitution could be the same thing. So if
you want to do that and the states want to
have it, some say stole't that's fine, but that's where

(22:58):
it should be. So not surprising that what New York
or Vermont or watching the DC wants to go in
and discriminalize. They don't need to criminalize licensed prothels. Make
it where they're in set designated places and you know
where they are, and just go that route. I mean,
if we were gonna do it, then you're going to
do that, and at least you can. And then what

(23:19):
you want to do is you want to control the
route where there is any sex trafficking or any child trafficking.
Things like that yet is unacceptable, But there are women
and men that are volunteering themselves going get laid or
to get paid to get to be laid, to the
lay guys or whatever. To let them do it. Just
let it be done because it's probably just a better
course of action, and it's also doing a public service

(23:42):
for those because society has changed so much that we
can't have regular relationships, so that it's not that easy
to go to find our American women that just going
to settle and out of simply love, want to make
a relationship work. It's just not it's not allowed to
be more. Society has changed so much. And this is
where I always talk about the books from Estra Vallar

(24:03):
and The Manipulated Man. She talked about this what fifty
something years ago. She's absolutely right about it, and look
where we are today. Women's liberation in some cases as
amplified and has grown bigger than it ever has before
to something that is now unattainable, unmanageable, unreasonable and delusional
for some of the women out there to feel like

(24:23):
they're equal. They're never equal, never enough money, and never
enough anything, and complaining that they're single. Also then that
I kept reading about where I'll see some events being
host who's the singles events? Remember I told you about
the friend Zone file case. So the girl that I

(24:44):
had that I reconnected with going to these BBW functions
which were singles functions, and now there are singles functions
these days where there are not many men coming out,
it's mostly women. And that's just where we are now
because not a lot of tickets being bought by men
to go out and deal with these women that are this.
You're just not there. There are good women out there,

(25:05):
don't get me wrong, But how often do you know
that if some of those good women that you see
out there that you would have wanted to hold on to,
you don't get them because they're picked up so quickly.
Like when the first opportunity to going arises, if a
guy is able to go and find a girl that's
just staturally good and she's here and she's American, you're
gonna they're gonna be the ones that we swept up
the quickest. That's just how it is. Now. A couple

(25:26):
of stories want to bring up before we wrap things up.
From Wire Magazine. They talk about the biggest dating app
Faux Pause for gen Z, and it's being cringe. So
you talk to a twenty five year old erving in
Santa Fe, New Mexico. His name is Geoanni Woolfrom and
his biggest fear when he goes on a dating app
is he might come off as cringey. He says, quote,

(25:47):
you can get away with being ugly, but being cringey
is just like that's a character that's imprinted on you.
He joined Hinge at age eighteen, so seven years he's
been on it. He's worked hard to scribe his profile
of sincerity, kept his responses to Hinge prompts as sarcastic
and ironic, as litmus tests, and some people take a
smart snark seriously, but those don't get a response for him.
He says, intellectually, I'm really all about sincerity and earnestness,

(26:10):
being perceived as one of those guys who is too
earnest and sincere. He's worries that it's then we can
be brought up that way. So sincerity, earnestness, irony free
to declarations of contentment. These are all many things that
young adults edit out there online personas and what gen
Z considers cringe might strike simply as directness and honesty,
but one generation's authenticity, it's authenticity is another red flag.

(26:32):
You Those tendency, sorts of light, hardness and jokes and
their online self presentation may point the way many of
them are dealing with their feelings of vulnerability and to illusionment.
So they talked about psychologists from New York, Jordan Maizelle
saying that I think there's just an awareness that it's
far more vulnerable to create a persona that feels accurate
to who you are, as opposed to do you think

(26:53):
you're supposed to be who you'd like to be. So
they try to go in a couple of areas about
what guys and gal should be doing to avoid any
kind of issues. First is saying be not cringe. So
they talked to a twenty five year old New York
You're a woman named Leela Goodwillie, that's not her real name,

(27:14):
and she talks about what cringes would repel her from
someone's profile. She says, I'm not proud of that because
I feel like when I meet people in person, I
kind of like nerdy guys. I kind of like guys
who are a little dorky and maybe a little bit crnch.
But her taste is distorted. People are getting more picky
and getting turned off by the cringe factor. So she
points out some famously cliched, tired tropes she's in Dalent
military profiles to me and dtgat profiles guy holding up

(27:35):
as she caught the military guy, the guy who posts
shirtless selfies at the gym, and she says identified more
archetype she finds cringe the guy who writes and asks
me all about the time I went motorbiking across Vietnam,
or the two thrus in a lie prompt, and the
guy who includes videos of himself playing guitar. It's difficult
to escape the fate of being sought into one of

(27:56):
these many cringey categories. Yeah, it's the it's not even
the sincerity or earnestest. It's the originality. It's the uniqueness
of somebody. Yet I can understand that part. It's not cringe.
It's just typical. It's predictable, and that's not what anyone wants.
So I wouldn't say it's really cringe, but they call
it cringe. And they go on to say that self

(28:19):
consciousness can hinder young people's ability to get what they
want out of the apps, love a companionship, and the
people that bring serious and earnest energy, frankly probably have
the most long term success because they're being open and
vulnerable and internestly clear about what they want. But that's
the part where we are trying to be open and vulnerable,
which is also the antithesis of what women wanted in

(28:42):
the first place, they don't want a man who's got
his heart on his sleeve, so doesn't make any sense either.
And then a new fear they're talking about is they
don't come off as cringe, try hard, or pick me
and these are all the webinized terms that are really
could join the social landscape. Younger patients off a struggle
to first to identify that that's precisely this fear that's

(29:02):
getting the way of their happiness. So they're coming into
feeling lonely, feeling disconnected, socially anguish, but they're not sure why.
And then our conversations becomes clear that their fears are
playing an integral role and maintaining this distance from other people. Cringe, tryhards,
pick mees. And these are some people that I usually
see on TikTok that are gonna be called this because
they're giving dating advice and it's like they're trying to

(29:24):
help the opposite sex out, especially women get to pick
me type, because there are a lot of women that
I see on my for you page that are constantly
trying to go ahead and give advice and try to
be supportive and defend men and women that get this
to get to pick me distinction and what all comes
down to. But your version of vulnerability is related to

(29:46):
a larger sense of disillusionment with the world. Quote, it
is very vogue to be cynical, to be pessimistic the
end day stinker. I think taking a predictive stance is
in line with having a cynical view of the future.
Vulnerability and the form of genuineness is the opposite of that. Now,
the other thing that goes into the cringe is also
the ick. So now there is a psychology behind the inck.

(30:08):
And there's a new study that links sudden dating to
turn offs to the narcissism and perfectionism. This is published
in the Study of Personality Individual Differences, shedding light on
the phenomenon coll phone called the ick. So researchers wanted
to know what causes people to experience the inch, becoming
a widely recognized concept of pop culture, awkward gesture, squirky habits.

(30:30):
The ick is a sudden feeling of repulsion that leads
people to want to end with a romantic relationship, sometimes with
a clear or logical reason. They talked to one hundred
and twenty five single adults recruited through Amazon's mechanical platform,
seventy four men, fifty one memen women, ranging an ancient
twenty four to seventy two, and the results say that
sixty four percent of participants had experienced the ick at

(30:53):
some point. Women were more significantly more likely than men
to be familiar with the term and to have held it,
and the number of times people reported brings in the
equiet varied widely and must say it happen rarely or occasionally,
and the It also led many participants to stop meeting
a partner, either immediately twenty six percent or later on
forty two percent, and others at thirty two percent continue

(31:15):
the relationship despite feeling put off. But most people in
ninety percent talk to someone else about their experience, often
confiding in our friends and family, and only a minority
of people share their feelings with the person who caused
the ink. Look at that, it's like people don't even
know how to go and just be straight up with
each other. We can't just talk, so no wonder we're

(31:36):
seeing the issue right now, whether there is the prostitution
is we were just talking about, or the reason why
people care are able to go to date. It's like
you're not allowed to just be yourself but just kind
of talk things out, such as a problem to go
and say anything. Well, the other thing you can also
say too is you don't need to be worrying about that.
Maybe you just go ahead and just be more direct,

(31:57):
more forthcoming, and why yourself to be the preys eight
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