Bonnie Blue and Andrew Tate on The Fall of Masculinity and Feminism Today

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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This is the King of Podcasts Radio Network, kingo Podcasts
dot Com. Bonnie Blue and Andrew Tate in the same room.
And this ain't no pillow talk.

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We're all a little depraved and debaucherous.

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Yes, Yes, welcome to the Brandon of This is King
of Podcasts. Here. Whether you thank you for joining me
on the program, I appreciate all of you joining me.
We're gonna talk about the recent interview on the Desruptors
podcast and that's where they this particular host here, I'm
trying to think of who it was here, Rob Moore.

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He interviews Andrew Tate and Bonnie Blue, allow them to
go into a bit of debate talking to each other
about various things that I think opened my eyes and
other people's to what encompasses the whole industry of feminism

(01:08):
and masculinity like it really does to me. And that's
something I thought we were going to talk about tonight
here in the program. There wasn't a whole lot of
press about this, but I think it was something that
when I heard about this and I got to listen
to the podcast on YouTube, I really felt like we
need to go ahead and bring this up. This of
course encompasses everything, and I mean, what can I say

(01:30):
Bonnie Blue. Every time she has something significant in the headlines,
I'm going to talk about it because the audience that
listens to this program obviously pay attention to what she's doing.
And there are certain times that she does grab my
attention because of some of the something's being said. And
I think the conversation that Andrew Tate and Bonnie Blue
had was really fascinating. Now we know Bonnie Blue for

(01:55):
her work where she has supped with over one thousand
men in the course of twelve hours. Aged twenty six.
Andrew Tate top g he drives around his Bogotti. He
is a for more Emmy fighter. I don't know if
he still does it or not, but he's just a
very big influencer among young men in this space. Has

(02:19):
been for a number of years now, also has been
under a lot of controversy, has been arrested and has
been castigated by the police in Romania for the past
few years. Him and his brother Tristan younger brother Tristan
So they were on Rob Moore's Disruptor's podcast this past Friday,
June twentieth's I'm recording the program and I have a

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few clips to go and talk about, and I want
to go ahead just comment about those as we go through,
because I think what I pulled together out of the
three hour plus interview were eight moments that I thought
really stood out to me and gave me some pause
because I had to think about what they were saying
and how their commentary, whether it was telling in cheek,

(03:05):
whether it was being a bit extreme or over the top.
I think there were some common sense views that were
being said here about where feminism and masculinity is. Because
before we get to the clips, I think, if you
want to be married today in a successful marriage, if

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you want a traditional relationship, you want to have your virginity.
You want to be able to hold on that virginity
and find a man or a woman that is someone
that you want to be a part of your life forever.
And you know, we know that in previous centuries and
previous generations that most of our families, they met their

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loved ones at a young age, got married young, sometimes
late teens, sometimes early twenties. But rarely did you hear
anybody that got married into their thirty forties and so on.
I mean to think of the idea of divorce wasn't
so commonplace in modern society. Yes, but because of the

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changes of feminism in the nineteen seventies Women's Liberation, they
thought that women should not be homemakers, should not be mothers,
that they can find more relevance in their life liberty
which I'm not here to dispute. But if you wanted
to get married and have children in America today, your
best bet is to find someone when you're young, very young,

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maybe the first person you're with who in one case,
either one of you hopefully have never gotten any through
any real emotional trauma or any issues that maybe you've
had some good upbringings with you know, both family members,
both parents, being there as part of your lives, and saying, Okay,
I'm with this person and this is why I choose

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to be with the rest of my life. And that's it.
Because I think the best relationships that ever come out
of anything are the ones that start so early. I
don't know why. But the other thing two is that
if the last after that is another story. But we
have so many things to consider here. As I think

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about it, just in the dating life I've had since
what the early nineties to today, and to think how
much things have changed. Before we had the internet, how
we communicated with each other, how we were over go
ahead and approach guys without any kind of thought process
at all. I mean, just it was different. And if

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we didn't have the option to find anyone in our
lives that would be fulfilling our lives or to be
supporting each other, and how we want to support each other,
and money wasn't the value wasn't important. Well, we still
had things that at the end of the day people
to enjoy. The thing was, we'd have pornography, we'd have

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the oldest living profession and prostitution. We had women that
were out there did not get married, and because they didn't, well,
the oldest serving profession has been around since the beginning
of time, and that filled avoid for men. But because
of things like COVID, because of things like the Internet,

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we obviously see now that with more women, those type
of women that would have that would have taken the
role of being out there in the public in person,
that they didn't get married and they chose to go
ahead and make money. They chose to make something out
of their bodies and glorify it, objectify themselves. That was

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something that was normal, but the whole only fan scenario
has changed everything and the idea of women being influencers, thinking, well,
this whole process of there have been some successful women
that are be able to be influencers that they can
find a man or they can find whoever they want
and make the money that they want, and they can
have their life, their best life, what do they want,

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and they're not worried about marriage, they're not worried about children,
are not worried about any of that. And because of that,
that delusion, because it's delusional for most women to feel
like they're gonna be able to get that since they
hear this now, since they see this and they see
examples of it, then they're going to go on and
do what they want. But I think there's some things

(07:34):
that were said in this interview that will help further
argument here. So we're gonna start off with her. Here
we go. So this is from the Disruptor's podcast. Rob
Moore's the host. We're talk going to hear from here.
We're only going to hear from Andrew tat and Bonnie Blue.
And again, these two are very outspoken, and the way
you talk about things, it's just there's no bare bones,

(07:58):
it's raw, it's uncensored. They just say it. So let's
start off with to talk about how feminism is the
new normal.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Women can do whatever they want, Women are fantastic. We
live in this great society now where women are girl
bosses and better than us, while also our equals to everything.
While also everything they do they regret was a man's
fault somehow, as Bonnie described, they were tricked into it.
So we live in this impossible situation where a man
can't possibly win anyway, no matter what opinion he has.
But I'm just saying it would be unprofessional and hypocritical

(08:29):
of me to sit here and think that Bonnie is
doing anything different or anything bad or anything wrong when
she does the same thing ninety nine point nine percent
of Western women do anyway.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Okay, now that's a very blanket statement, but I don't
want to go ahead put a little context to it,
because he's going to put contexts into it from the
other clips I play. Because of where feminism has taken
us and how women are able to go ahead and
just be modern, independent, free, sexually liberated, that they could

(09:03):
do what they want, that we might as well just
accept it as a new normal. What Andrew's saying about
the fact that most women are doing it for money anyway, Well,
because we know that there might be relationships, that there
might be actual romance and intimacy that might be part
of relationships. But how many times do you see now

(09:24):
of young men and women. We're talking about teen twenties, thirties,
basically that age group men and women. How often are
you seeing women with the exception of those like I said,
that were legitimately sincerely into relationships based on love and
not money. As I said, sex, love and money. Remember

(09:49):
a couple weeks ago I talked about that that's really
where we are in the state of sex, love and money.
So right now, women want to have sex the way
they want to have sex, and this delusional set that
they want to have somebody that they will only open
up for a guy that has a certain amount of
in their bank account, a certain look, a certain size,
a certain girth. That's what they want, and the only

(10:14):
a small percentage of guys that fit that role. So
you're only getting satisfied by and you're also just romping
around with the same guy that's just getting over and
over and over. He's got a plethora of women to
go and deal with, and he's not going to care,
so you're not gonna get anything from it. So ninety
five percent out of the guys are gonna be left

(10:34):
out and isolated. But you can't deny that, you know,
when he talks about Bonnie Blue and the fact that
she's sexually liberated. But the thing is for her is
that she's living the part of being in the whore.
She's at least admitting it. Because for some women, you know,

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they don't want they want to be financially supported, and
it might not come in the way where you think, like,
okay is pay for play. You might not look at
it that way. You might try to create the perception
that it isn't that way, but it is. And that's
what Andrew takes. Picking the point of Bonnie Blue also
adds a little bit into.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
This as well, one extreme to the next.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yet the women like me that I just sluts, and
then you get the others that are lazing won't even
get on the knees and give a blowjob, and they're
sluts too.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
No, but there's the thing, they're sluts too. They're just
sluts for a different guy, or they are sluts for
the racks and they're not sluts for the new guy.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
This is crass. Listen the way they're saying it. But
if you just dig into what the real meaning is,
women are not enjoying the partnerships are in or the
relationships that you're in. I mean, there's something about when
we do get into relationships or we do get into marriage,
are people really enjoying their company? Like you're still seeing

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some of those people that are out together that you know,
opposite the tractor or something happens where men and women
can be in love. And that's also couples that could
be gay, your lesbian also the same way. But it
still comes down to the fact that are people really
in it for the right reasons? And then if they're
not in it for the right reasons, then why are

(12:07):
they prolonging the inevitable because they're getting somebody from it
financially And that's what I'm talking about here. Okay, let's
go to next clip. Now the end result of feminism
and this is a long take that Andrew Tape makes here.
Let's go ahead and play this real quick.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Sit here and try and lecture you about it. I
don't understand why men sit here and say you shouldn't
do it. It's your body of your choice, right. This is
the world we now live in. This is the end
result of feminism. You are the perfect end result of
feminism in the world I believe in. In the conservative,
traditionally masculinely ruled world, a man would be in charge
of his daughters until they're handed over to their husband's

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or boyfriends, and there would be a degree of masculine guidance.
But feminism didn't want that. You know, women complain that
men don't want to get married. We did actually want
to get married when we got obedient virgins, but they
disappeared and they complained about the patriarchy, and they were
tired of us giving them a house to live in
and kids to raise, and they want to make their
own choices.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
That's an extreme take, but I will put a little
more leniency into what he's saying, because I think we
would be acceptable to marry women to have lower body counts,
and the same way women should expect lower body counts
of the men that they're with. But it's also that
part where women don't want to be submissive or be supported,

(13:26):
just like he's saying that women because they've put put
into their head that they should be dominant, that they
don't need to have somebody holding them down, because they're
trying to say that being submissive and being supported means oh,
you have no say, you don't have any charge of
your life. You're in your own mind and that's it.

(13:47):
It's like, why can't you do things for yourself. You're
equal just like a man, So why would you let
somebody just take you and make you their slaves? Basically
is what they're trying to say, make you their maid.
But I think Andrew Tape makes the point here. It
might be an extreme way to take it. But what

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Bonnie Blues right now is she is objectifying what other
women are looking to do. Sophie rains no different. We
talked about that a couple weeks ago. Is that these
kind of one the only fans, these influencers that are
sexualizing themselves. They are objective. I find themselves. You know,
guys can look from afar, we can still be interested

(14:29):
in them, attracted to them, play with ourselves to them,
looking at them, fantasizing about them. But when we get
to the part where there is no access to these women,
to their hearts, and you're never gonna get sincere access
to who they are because the money is important to them.

(14:53):
I mean, for Bonnie Blue, at the end of the day,
the sex work that she's doing, however extreme it is,
I don't know if she honestly had that many men
inside of her, I couldn't tell you. But what I
can't say is she's making money off the shotgun awe,
off the content, whatever content they are filming, and off

(15:14):
of the personality, this over the top, larger than life
personality that Bonnie Blue is pertraining portraying and has done
successfully in what six months? In six months, don't forget.
I think it was in December of twenty twenty four.
I started talking about Lily Films and Bonnie Blue. Lily
Films I talked about first, and that Bonnie Blue I
talked about after that and ever since. This woman has

(15:38):
done an incredible job. Publicity stunts are not which I
think a lot of them are. She's done an incredible
job of creating herself to be very viral, to be
recognized worldwide and people know who this is. Look, we've
had porn stars before. We've never had anybody that just

(15:58):
got to this high level and was just overnight sensation
without the help of playboy, without the help of videos
out there. You know of vhs or Blu Rays and
all that. Like, we had porn stars of the world
that were Tracy Lord, Sir Jennat Jamison or Tara Patrick,

(16:19):
and you know, you think of others. But the thing is,
you know, there was a lot of publicity out there
to be found before social media and Bonnie Blue to
be able to go and make yourself viral because of
sex work because of her sexuality so quickly. I mean
part of it is not just because of the fact

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that she's very sexual and she is a porn star today,
a modern day poor star, but what she is as
well is she's an entertainer and she's almost cut of
the cloth of what you would see on not a playboy.
It's it's not a play that's not a playboy play mate.
She's a penthouse pet. If if Blue existed twenty years ago,

(17:02):
thirty years ago, she's a penthouse pet. I think she
is because she wasn't the prettiest of the pretty Lily
Phillips would probably be more of the playboy type, But
I honestly think that Bonnie Blue would probably be just
at the level of Penthouse, but also could drop the

(17:22):
Husser level, if you know what I'm talking about. There
is a level of there was like a barrier, a
late a hierarchy of you know, glamorous yet sexy, yet
provocative yet very sexual of it, very raunchy. There is
a level to all this, and I think there's something
to be said about that Bonnie Blue has portrayed herself

(17:44):
in a way that this is how far you can
go with feminism because right now, a lot of women
that got into this kind of space in the first
place was because they wanted to be liberated. They didn't
want to be held down. They wanted to go and
do their her own thing. Because that's what she is doing.
She's completely independent of her own and she's not having

(18:07):
to go through and think she needs to prove herself
by some business acumen. She tried to do that and
she didn't like it. She thought about being supported by
a man, and she didn't do it, didn't want to
do it anymore. She wanted to live her own life
under her own terms, and she has a very ravenous
sexual appetite, so she chose to go the porn star route,

(18:30):
and OnlyFans was a great avenue for her to do that.
And now she's bigger than OnlyFans. She doesn't need only fans.
She can put her own side up. She has other
routes to do her social media run so that she
could still be in the public and people will still
be able to go ahead and fall along with her
every day as long as they want. And she has
a way probably to still have people pay for her content,

(18:54):
so she could tease to be supported by a larger group.
So it's a win win for her. More from Enter
Tait and Bonnie Blue. That's good. Did this other part
of the clip here about the end result of feminism.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
So she's making her own choice. That's a fantastic thing.
I actually have a lot of respect for you because
you own it and you're honest about it. What if
it was your adult Well that won't happen.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
But she's her own person.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
I never said my daughter's her own person. I said
really want to be their own people. But my point
is there's so many women who go to magaloof right.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
That's in Spain, where they just want to go out
and just go ahead and fool around and have sex,
random sex if they want to, free willing sex if
they want to. Who knows. But for her sake, Bonnie
Blue decided to go and listen, she has support of
her parents. I don't know. I'm not sure what to
think about that. But what the Andrew Tate's saying about
in there, if potentially they had daughters, that he's not

(19:50):
gonna let his daughter to get into that route. But
that's going to be tougher and tougher every day to
go and try to keep that under control. If that
could even happen today, And I don't know if it
can because right now we're at a point where family structure,
we don't have a mother and father and every family
out there for all these girls to be protected, to

(20:10):
be coddled, to see two role models as to how
they're supposed to live their lives. They don't have that.
And like I said before, how many times do we
see women that get stuck in toxic relationships? Young women
that will get in toxic relationships and it just becomes
a pattern and who knows what other things they might
have happen to them, if they get essayed, if they
get something else where, they're molested, who knows. Who knows

(20:31):
what kind of emotional trauma they're holding on to that
they can't seek out therapy, they can't find anyone to
go ahead and help them, or they're not willing to
go ahead and be able to accept the confront what's
happening to them. They try to hold on to it,
bury it deep down aside, put in the back of
their mind, and try to move on. And so many
women think that that's the route to go. Listen, if
that's their choice, that's their choice. But I wish that

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women could be healed of all this, find an emotional rescue.
But it's something that you're not going to get. But
because of feminism, we don't have the family structure anymore.
We don't have a lot of families out there unless
they're single parents. And that's not helpful either. It you
only can do so much for a single parent to
go ahead and live and portrayed the best part of

(21:16):
what a mother and father can be to a child.
They don't have that. So Andrew goes on and tells
more about that about how feminism ruined families.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
The construct of society that made family function was women
were obedient virgins, and they found a man who provided
for them, and they listened to that man. Women have
then said, we don't like the patriarchy. We're tired of
being provided for, We're tired of being taken care of.
We don't want to listen to anybody. We want to
make our own decisions. That was women and feminism that
ended the traditional family unit. And now women can make

(21:47):
their own decisions. So I'm glad that Bonnie's making their
own decision.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
Yeah, say, I take women back one hundred years.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
I might know.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
I'm a clear example of how it's being powered. I
use my body, I do what I want when I want.
And this is the thing you've been banging on about
for years. And when I get hate, like when I
click on the comments of these women are like, oh,
you're taking us back a hundred years than in their
virus to stay at home mom with two and thinking
what the fuck was you roofed him for just stayed.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
This is the future, Yeah, this is the future. This
is fantastic. Exactly what what Western society's headed to.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
I mean, I can't dispute that. I can absolutely agree
with what you trying to say. Now, listen, he says,
there'll be the a virgins. Again, that's an extreme, but
he's going to go that route. I'm not going to
go that route. We obviously a much more acceptable people
men out there. Well, we have room to go ahead
and say, listen, we're not perfect. They're not perfect, So
we take the person who's gonna be best fit for

(22:42):
our lives. And that's fine. But when she talks about
the fact that because of the construct of feminism of
women being told over and over that because of bad
experiences that maybe some of the older generations, okay, some

(23:03):
of the family members that the women have encountered, of
course they're going to listen to someone that's more maternal,
that might have gone through being a mother and having
children and also going through marriage. And unfortunately, if their
experiences are bad, they're going to pass on those bad
experiences and give a bad slant to marriage. And that's
not good. But it is something that's being done where

(23:28):
because of the choices that a woman might have made
from an earlier point of feminism, we're seeing that whatever
kind of thinking there has been for women that has
been passed down to women is getting worse because we're
getting less and less people married, We're seeing less and
less men and women having children. I mean, for me,
it doesn't matter. I don't think I ever had in

(23:49):
the cards. Even when I was fifteen, sixty, seventeen, eighteen
years old, I thought about it for myself. I was thinking,
am I ever going to get married? I said probably
when I'm thirty five. I said that over and over.
But the truth was didn't matter. My important thing was
I wanted to find the right person. And of course
there's reasons why that never happened, and I accept that,

(24:12):
and that's okay. If I could have done things differently
in high school and had a spine that had a
little more confidence of myself, maybe I could have asked
a girl out. I would have gotten in some of
the mistakes. I could have gotten to be a little
bit more sexualized right and and experienced sex acts. Because

(24:35):
here's the thing too, when he says Obedian virgins, we
know that's not gonna be the case for most guys,
because most guys that would get together with a girl
in the first place, they want someone that kind of
knows what they're doing. So, like you know, when you
have your first sexual experience, when you are a guy,
you're a virgin, you want a girl that kind of
knows what they're doing because it is going to be

(24:55):
kind of tough if you're doing with someone that's also
a virgin and they don't know what they're doing and
you might hear about it. Listen, it's not like these
kids are getting sex education courses and they understand what
are the implications if you do have sex and if
you do get pregnant. Of course some people do, which
is why we have so many single mothers out there
and how many young women that are young moms all

(25:16):
the time. But the point is that, and I think
that's also kind of like we're single moms. There's an
attraction for guys like me, the single moms because they've
been sexually active before and they'd probably know what they're
doing because they were able to have a kid as
a result. But I think there's something to be said
about if women were allowed just to have the moment

(25:37):
of the phase of feminism, which is what it was,
because as we were growing up, what really happened more
let's say seventies, eighties, nineties, is that women had their
right of passage. You know, feminism caused where women didn't
want to just go right into marriage. No, they're not
going to do what their parents or grandparents did for

(25:57):
the great grandparents. They wanted to life. So what it
used to be was a phase of us like adventure.
I'm gonna have my time of an adventure in my twenties.
I want to go out. I'm gonna screw with any
guy I want. I'm gonna get drunk, go get the praise.
In the bochers, that was their phase. There used to
be a phase. That's what college was for. Callge. You go,

(26:20):
you get drunk, you go to frat parties, you hit
whatever clubs you want, you go to whatever kind of
things you want, hit a kegger and go have sex
and just have a fun time and just go out
there and have fun. Spring break what was that for again,
rite a passage. You got there to get laid, you
got there to get drunk, get high, do your thing.

(26:43):
But we've gotten to the point where it's not just
a phase anymore. The adventurous phase now for women wants
to be extended to their lifetime. They want the party
to never end. They want to be able to go
ahead and live with the designer fashions. With the designers,
they wouldn't be able to get made up, get the
clothes they want, go out and party or go get Mimosa's,

(27:05):
or go to brunch or whatever they want. They want
to go to jet sit and travel, and there should
be any guy that should be happy to have because
they're pretty privileged that they should go ahead and be
winding to die wherever they want. And if they find
a guy that they felly attracted to, they'll have sex
with them whatever they want, and that guy will just
get whoever they want as much as they want. So

(27:27):
a lot of guys will get left out. But that's
what happened. What used to be an adventure face aho
face basically, now it's extended to a lifetime. That's not
good for society, but that's where we are now. So
Andrew goes on to talk about let women do what
they want.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
And I think women should run around fucking as many
men as they want. I like what Bonnie's doing. She's getting,
she's getting the bags, she's getting rich. Most girls out
here don't want to have kids. They just want to
get burking bags and Instagram likes. Good good. I'm a feminist,
pro feminism. This is the world now, how the world's
gonna end up? Who gives a fuck? Who cares about
the future.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
See women go around new sex their advantage, but then
are happy to cry about it straight away. So we
took advantage of Maine's You're the one that wanted to
do sex to have like the job promotion, or you're
the one that wanted to have sex to get more
attention or try and be more light. But then they
cry about And that's what I get frustrated about. Even
with porn stars, like people in my industry, they'll do
this for a few years, get the money, get the
boob jobs, get the house, and then suddenly they go,

(28:28):
oh my god, I was forced into the industry.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Oh my god, someone to call my money.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Have you ever considered the job as a lawyer I
could do with you.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
See great points here by Bonnie. Listen that now women
just don't want to have sex just to have sex.
D Now see the phases change, So the whole phase,
the free willing phase, you know, go out and get
get out all your whore like things right before you
decide to go ahead and settle down, right, good sawyer

(29:00):
oats before you settle down. That used to be a thing.
But now we're at the point where women have figured
out a way to go ahead and extend it all
the way through. So from going through the adventure phase
to then being able to go ahead be a victim
and say, oh, I can't believe I did all this,
and then they change themselves and become sanctimonious or hypocritical

(29:22):
and decide to go ahead and say that they regret
what they did, which is now such a new thing
to be done. People will be regretful if it makes
the money, if it gives them more success, if it
lengthens the ride, the adventure, then women will continue to
go that route. That's exactly what it is. Let women

(29:45):
do what they want. And then Bonnie makes the point
where she's just doing what she wants because that's what
she wants to do. That's her choice. And there are
women that used to just have that choice and they're
going to have free, willing sex and just be a
whore and just go and you know, screw with whatever
guy they want. They would, but there's not that many
women around anymore like that, because now we have women

(30:08):
that they want to go through. It's almost like a
drug addiction. They'll go through and then they'll go through
the rehab phase and they become this other person of
somebody that we don't even know who they are anymore.
Like it was one thing to go ahead and find
a girl that you know, if you've got to get
to know her, and you were in the friend zone,
I'm hurt. I'm sure some of you guys that have

(30:28):
been friend zone before have heard this before. How they'll
talk about their sexual escapades or they'll talk about the
men that they screwed around with, but they don't want
to do it with you because they've changed. Right, they'll
say who they were before, and you're excited because that's
the girl that you were looking for when you saw
her in the first time. That's who you wanted. But
then they don't. They're not gonna be like that with you.

(30:50):
So the friend zone comes to play, or if you
get out of the friend zone, then you're gonna get
a version of the girl that you didn't want because
it's too late, or it's just not the girl that
you wanted because she just you got her after the phase,
so you were not the right guy for her at
the time. But that's a fascinating point right there, because
it is true victim mentality, this whole thing about women

(31:13):
that want to just be the main character in their
own movie. So they have to go through their whole angle, right,
They go through the success, the highs, the lows, the redemption,
the coming back, the reflection, and they just change. And
that's how we see all this today and it's like
it's horrible, but it's honestly true. I think they make

(31:35):
good points right there. More good points here, and I
agree with this right here now, Andrew. Here's Tara talking
about guys that have sex if it's just you know,
you and another person. But then it gets to a
part where guys have to feel like they need to
go ahead and experiment more or go more down the

(31:56):
road to get with a girl. So when I've heard
of girl that said, hey, I want to have sex
with you, but I also what happens to have sex
with you and another guy in the room with me,
whether he's watching, whether he's acting in it. And guys,
excepting the fact that if they have multiple guys, are
going to go ahead and like bang a girl. They're

(32:16):
going to go do a train on her, and you're
gonna get to be a part of it. It doesn't
matter if you're first or second or third. It doesn't
matter if you don't have to touch or do anything
with the guy that He's saying that the guy honestly
is gay or bisexual, And I agree with that. If

(32:37):
you just want to have sex with a woman, it's
one thing. But then also again, there's nothing wrong with
the fact if a guy wants to go and be
more experimental and do a lot more things with women
or men, because that's what they want to choose. If
they want to go in be with one who's trans,
it's the same way. It's kind of the same construct.
So here's what Andrew says about that.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
People call it insecurity they were wanting to do the
guy's gonnaupig ady.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Well, people call it insecurity, and people call it lots
of things, but truthfully, what it is is heterosexuality. And
any of these men who go, oh yeah, I don't
mind her being covered in colm, they need to take
a long, hard look in the mirror and probably get
an AD's test because they're gay. And that's fine. I mean,
some people are gay, but you can be gay. You
can have gay sex with a woman, of course, kN

(33:21):
I mean the point of having sex with a woman
is you're pregnant. By and large, I'd argue that being
horny in general is kind of gay, to be like,
I'm so horny, Like I'm a full grown man, I'm
so horny. I'm so I'm so horny.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Who give it to me? Gay's booking? Another guy is
he's doing gay shit.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Bro gays having sex with a woman without the intention
of being pregnanting, or having sex with a woman who's
covered in calm fucking all. This is just gay sex.
It's all gay.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
Have sex with a woman and have a child, but
you only have sex on our relation day.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
It's all about that. But there has to be a
there has to be h all right.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
So in that back and forth, I think there's something
to be said about for the woman that's gonna be
gay or it's gonna be bisexual, but if she has
a manage ATOI and it's two women in the same room,
but we always have where guys will be more acceptable
with that because if the women want to go and

(34:15):
do it with each other. It's like a Ronnie Dangerville joke. Right,
It's like, oh, they don't want to have two women
in the rooms, so they have you know, if something
happens to me, they have to each other to play with, right,
that kind of joke. The thing is that when guys
have to go farther past just being monogamous, and also
the fact that you're just having sex without the recourse

(34:40):
of thinking, well, you know, if I'm gonna have sex
with her, yeah, I might have a kid with her,
so a might just bear back and it doesn't matter.
I mean, now the exception of courses, I think if
a guy is wearing a condom or a woman is
having birth control, and you know, they want to have
just they want to have sex where there's not going
to be any children involved. I don't think he's anything
gay or about that, but I do think multiple partners

(35:02):
in the room and guys where they could be put
in the situations where they're gonna be doing something to
where if they have the demand in there or who knows. Man,
it's like, here's something to be said about going into
more gay or bisexual territory. It's not a bad thing,
but it is. I think you can kind of open

(35:23):
up the door to describing it that way. But if
you can't just enjoy the company of being monogamous with
just the opposite sex, and you gotta add more, that's okay.
You can be more sexually active there. I'm not saying
anything about that. But that's not masculine. That's a little

(35:43):
bit more than that. And that's what was being mentioned
right here, all right, next clip, women are still doing
sex work. So Bonnie and and are here. They make
the point about that. Even if they're not going full
blown Bonnie Blue here or she's blowing you know, one
thousand and fifty seven guys in twelve hours, it doesn't matter.

(36:04):
Women are still acting like sex workers in some way,
shape or form. And here's what they said, ten.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Dollars to find a woman who ain't living off a man,
because that is sex work. You've given sex and she's
given you money. That's that's the game.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
I tweet it'scu She's so true. I've never thought of
it like that.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
I tweeted.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
When people a boyfriend and girlfriends in their time, they
do a low paid job. They've not got the educations
do anything better. So and they're having sex with the partners,
keep them in trusted, the partner's paying the bills. Is
a sex work with one.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Client transactional look friends with benefits, I would imagine at
the end of the day, is still transactional. It's pay
for play. And for some of us, we don't want
to go and feel like that sex works, that what's happening,
but it is. But I think they make a clear
point right right here, and I think it is exactly

(36:52):
like that that we do have relationships that are pay
for play. Look, guys, you know that you might have
to do some things where you have to get dressed
and you have to look at certain parts. You got
to go and spend the looks your money on yourself
to make sure you look the part for the girl
to impress where she might want to go or where
you're going to take her, eating to make sure it's

(37:13):
something impressive. So for the impression alone, you're going to
be spending more, which that's an investment. But at the
end of the day, if you break it down, there
is some cases where I can still feel like that
some men and women together are being transactional and either
which way, even if a woman is just only being
with that one man. Yeah, she's servicing him. It's still

(37:37):
somewhat like sex work, but in an individual basis, now
it might be a little bit more than an escort
one of the prostitute. But I mean, if you didn't
have that impression, if he didn't have the courting of
being why you're dying, if he didn't have all that,
I mean, I think that's just normal relationship. But when

(37:57):
there's money involved, and there's money that needs to be
at it in to help to enhance a relationship or
to give the right impression of a relationship. And now
we're the point where women will say, like, you know,
there's just certain things they won't go to do. When
women will complain about the fact that you remember, what
was it last year before women say me said, oh,
I don't want to go to the cheesecake factory. That's

(38:18):
not a place to date. You need to hit me
somewhere better than that. There's a delusional thing. But what's
happening is we're getting more of that kind of talk
because then women are thinking that's what they're supposed to
be doing. Right. You can't just do a Starbucks coffy date.
You can't just do that anyway more for these two,
let's go and get into it.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
I said this, I tweeted it, and the whole world
lost its mind because you know me, I'm gonna provocateur.
But I said, yeah, women are sex workers. You can
either have a bunch of customers with only fans, or
you can have one customer called a husband or boyfriend,
or you can be ugly and unfortunately then you got
to get a job. But if you're pretty enough, you
don't do that. You find a boyfriend or a husband
or sugar daddy whatever you want to call him, and

(38:59):
he's paying your bills. Go to santre Pez Monaco can
go to Miami, go to Dubai, go to Hong Kong,
go to any of these cities and find a beautiful
woman and ask her her job. She either doesn't work
because her boyfriend takes care of her, or she has
some bullshit vanity.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Okay, now in this part here, and I live near Miami,
so I can kind of attest her. Well, all this
is being said, I'm not disputing the fact that if
women want to go and do this anyway, that's okay.
But there's also going to be said where if women
would be willing to not look at money as the

(39:35):
end all be all of a relationship, if the value
of the relationship is based on how many dollars are
spent or invested on her or in what they're doing
with her partner or as a couple, like for a husband. Okay,
I mean it comes down to like, if you ever

(39:55):
heard the phrase that you know you can still have
no money and still have love because love is more
important and more and more valuable than money. How many
of these women could you actually say that, could actually say, oh,
it doesn't matter where what we do or how we live.
All we need to do is love each other, and

(40:17):
I always love you no matter what I mean. How
many women actually pay attention to the vows? It's like,
you know, they vowed to be with that partner and
sickness and health for rich or poor. They don't pay
attention to that. But how many women would actually go
ahead and follow that role right there? If money was

(40:37):
not an object at all, How many women would actually
be with men right now? There's not many, not money
at all?

Speaker 1 (40:45):
All Right.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Two more clips are going to wrap things up. It's
a little bit longer episode tonight but I think it's
very important what we're getting out of this. And Bonnie Blue,
who has been very vocal and with what she's been
doing right now and literly philips to another level, a
different level. Not so much is that they are targeting

(41:06):
younger boys, and for Bonnie Blue, she's trying to go
after virgins or young men herself because she wants to
be the arbiter of helping a man, help a boy
become a man. She wants to help him give to
that other level of manhood. So experience what it's like
if you're gonna go ahead and have sex for the

(41:26):
first time and you're a vision. Listen, how many times
have we heard about the idea of where guys might
go to the bunny ranch and the guy has you know,
younger brother or whatever, and like, you know, young guy
wants to go and get laid for the first time.
Sometimes you just find an older woman, an experienced, older,
mature woman that understands what it's like and will give

(41:48):
and we'll be happy to go ahead, get the experience
of popping his cherry. And that's what Bonnie Blue talks
about a lot of is that she gets a rise
out of and she thieves, feels like she's doing some
good by helping the pop the trades of all these
young men and helping them grow into a manhood. And
I think this point is very important because when I
thought about this, I was saying, damn, Imagine how many

(42:12):
guys that went to the right of passage that the
first time they got with a girl and lost their
virginity years ago, it was to an older woman, or
sometimes it was a mature woman that knew how to
have sex. There's a reason why younger guys will get
themselves kind of accustomed to going after women that a
little bit older. I know I did in my twenties.

(42:34):
I definitely went after ruin into my forties and fifties
that I was attract it to and sexually the experiences
were great and it was a wonderful time for the women,
just this experience and just a different experience as well.
So the cougars. There was a reason why guys went
after cougars, and that's what it was. And if guys

(42:54):
were too able to lose their virginity at a young
age and be sexually active and know what they're doing,
imagine how many young men now today that if they
just learn how to get laid at again, it was
like America, Pie, we're gonna lose our virginity before we graduate.
Imagine if all those guys and the guys today at

(43:16):
that age all made a pack now to get laid
and know what it's like to be laid and have sex.
Because I'm sure a lot of guys right now their
visions now in their twenties and thirties, and there's some
guys that they haven't noble to get sex. And if

(43:36):
they just can't get sex from some young girl because
they just don't have it, they should still find a
way to go ahead and be to understand what it's like.
Because if you don't get the gun and get with
the first partner, that first man or woman in your
life and say this is who I want to be
with the rest of my life, and that's who you marry,
and you have a good chance of having a great marriage,

(43:57):
a traditional marriage, which it was for everybody else years ago.
Well today it's different, the times of change. So one
thing I think you could still be brought back, right,
just like I talked about the dating games, can be
brought back that we can still have it where women
could serve the role to young boys and show them
what it's like to be to have sex and just

(44:17):
at least finally have the chance to say, hey, you
know what, that's what brothels are for, us prostitutions for,
and that's where all that's for, is that guys used
to go ahead and find some places they want to
get laid. If they at least got that, we would
all be satisfied. I mean, right now, guys are able
to kind of move around and maneuver themselves without sex,

(44:37):
because if we're not dating, we're not having sex at all.
Because I'm sure with some of the guys you hear
about that they don't approach women anymore. If they're just going
off with their their own thing. Oh they watch video games,
or they watch sports, or they're just hanging out with
the guys. They're just doing something else. They're not even
trying to get together with the girls anymore. It's not
that they're getting laid somewhere else because the options are
going out of the normal routes you would go to

(44:59):
go get laid. There are those kind of girls out
there that they'll just go and give it up. You
don't have prosecutes out there on the street. You don't
have so many massage probablys you can go to or
other kind of salons that will do the same thing.
Or you don't have girls that are just like the
loose kind of just like you know, they just want
to have sex, they just want to enjoy the company
a man. They're just gonna have it. Now. I wouldn't

(45:21):
want to be a part of getting together with them,
you know, the same day they had somebody else, or
at least not think about it like that. I guess
it goes back to the original scenario, right, So if
you're going after a prostitute, then it means that girl's
probably had a bunch of guys in hur that day
and then you're gonna go with it. Then you could
be considered gay or bisexual as well, right in the

(45:44):
same scenario, I guess. But it shouldn't have to be
that way. But I think there has to be some compromise,
some middle ground where guys that they just got a
chance to learn to be laid, if they know what
it's like and at least had that experience, have the
cherry pop and realize where it is. I wish that

(46:05):
could have happened to meat sooner I hadn't we tell
was thirty years old. I'm not afraid to say that
thirty years old. I never talked about the story on
this program because it wasn't not an interesting like I mean,
I enjoyed it. The girl that I was with, she
was a little bit younger than me, But the thing
was when she knew a virgin, She's like, well, she

(46:28):
wanted to take that from me, and it wasn't about
money and it was about anything like that. And I
thought the experience was wonderful. And I got to see
her a few more times, but yeah, it just faded out.
But like it was, it was good. So I don't
regret the fact that she was my first. I don't
make a big deal of being my first. Who would
be my first, especially by that point, by that age

(46:48):
didn't matter. But I think there's something to be said
about what they're saying right there, which I'm gonna play
right now, Bonnie talking about this that young boy should
experienced sex. Again, it's an extreme take, but take into
some context and realize there's some common sense being said here.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Haven't lost their viginity, they haven't been having sex, so
I love lying that and saying, look, do whatever you
want me trial and error, and if anything, I'm protecting
women because then the next girl we sleep with, they
know how to choke, proply, they know how to slap,
they know how to FuG and.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
They know how to pleasure.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
And also I give them such a safe environment, like
I mean, if you had an eighteen year old son,
would you send.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Them to me on his eighteenth birthday?

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I mean there's something to be said like this should
not be the norm. But if you want to make
sure that young men don't become narcissistic, manipulative, controlling, toxic,
then let them know what it's like to do something
that comes natural to them, have sex with a woman.
Let them figure out what it is. I'll tell you

(47:50):
like this too. And again I'm not here to dispute
how people live their lives or not, but I think
if somebody want to go ahead and chew their preference
how to live their life, their lifestyle. Okay, they want
to be with men, they want to be transgender, whatever,
I would at least like to hope that men and women,

(48:12):
in their original biological how they were born, at least
try one time to see if they experience the opposite
sex that they would enjoy it or not, and if
they don't, okay, then go ahead and do what you're
gonna do. But I honestly think if men before they
choose to go ahead and live a different lifestyle, or

(48:34):
women the same way, that at least okay. But like this,
if women that they have bad experiences with men and
they decide to go and become lesbian, okay, they did it.
They at least they tried, and for whatever reason, it
didn't work out for them, and that's unfortunate. If it
was something because the guy did something wrong, I feel

(48:55):
sorry for them. But the thing is, they'll make their
choices that they want. But I think if at least
the first time you try, you at least try to
experience what it's like to be with the opposite sex
in a conventional monogamous type of scenario sexually. And if
it's not for you, okay, don't try it again. Do

(49:16):
what you want, find what fits you, what fits your fancy,
what makes you feel good, what turns you want. Totally fine,
but I would hope that at least something like that
could happen. I don't think that's a controversial take. I
don't think it's outside of the scope. You tell me
if I'm wrong. But if I'm at the point at
eighteen years old and I have ale to get to

(49:36):
any girl, I mean I don't think at eighteen years
old I would go right to the rite of passage.
I think I would think that the guy at that
age would at least try a few times to get
to somebody. And honestly, but by the time you get
to college, if you have not mailed to get laid
by that point, and if something that you just feel
you need to go ahead and experience, then yet you
go find a girl that has the experience that is

(50:00):
I wanted to go ahead and you know, help you there.
I think it's a in a way, it's kind of
endearing that a woman wants to go and be there
for a guy and just have sex and there's nothing involved.
It's just for the fact of bringing that boy to
manhood at a reasonable age. I don't think there's anything
wrong with that. More for the clip here.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
Okay, so your son will probably lose his virginity after
going to a club, is probably been drinking and the
girl might I've done drugs.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Did then go back to some hotel or powers him
that way. Okay, But regardless, what about if he falls
in love and loses his virginity to someone he.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Loves, and what if the world becomes a really happy place.
You're talking it's unrealistic when people lose their virginity. It's
probably after a night.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
It's more realistic. I send my son to you slept thousand.
Your children are going to do what you want.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Okay, And now Rob, I'm noting the fact that Rob
and say, hey, look, if your parenting skills are so
good that you know the sons and daughters that you have,
they'll follow the right path and try to look for
a real honest relationship and they'll wait to have sex
one that's the right time. Okay, but that's not the

(51:18):
norm right now. Remember we're getting we got a lot
of single parents out there. We have a lot of
kids that have been traumatized and gone through things where
they're not going to go with the traditional conventional route.
They're just not so at the least, if we're going
to kind of hold on to men and women to
be who they are, then at least let them find
with the sexual experiences. Like I think that most biological important,

(51:41):
something that is a necessity to live. Sex is important,
so let men and women have a chance to experience
sex at a point where they can't because of their
sexual naivete for being a novice of sex. As much
as it is, I think one of the most important

(52:03):
things that I think about when it comes to me
when I was younger and all these women that I
tried to get together with, if I could have just
gotten to depart of having sex with one of them,
then I would have understood what I was doing because
a lot of what I would say to a girl
and what I would try to get to get close
to a girl was trying to create some kind of
fantasy or kind of feeling of what she wanted from me,

(52:26):
because I felt like I didn't offer anything to her
that would automatically say, Okay, she wants to be with me.
I didn't think I had to look, so I didn't
I had no confidence. I didn't think I had the looks.
I was a fatter kid, and I didn't think I
had what it took to hold on her. Girl that
I found very beautiful and attractive and stunning and I
really liked, and I was turned on by, because even

(52:47):
if I had the chance to go and have sex
with them, I wouldn't even know what to do. I
would try, but I probably would fail miserably, And at
least that's the one thing is that the first time
for most guys, it's not gonna be a successful thing.
So I mean, look what happened to me and my
virginity is that I didn't do any of the work.
I sat, I laid back on the bed, She got

(53:09):
on top of me. She took care of everything because
she wanted to, and I enjoyed it. But like my
first time experience was great because she did that. But
if I had to be the one to get initiated,
I would have fucked it up. I know I would.
I think that's very important. Now eighteen years old, probably

(53:32):
too soon. I would hope that the guy that the
young kids out there would at least try to find
their way to get to a girl and try to
hook up at the least. But if there's a point
where it's not going to be happening, like they're not
gonna find a girl that they're gonna be with, then
at least they should find it from some place. They

(53:55):
should find a girl that will at least be willing
to go ahead and be that write a passage for him,
because I think if guys get to that point, I
think we get some of this awkwardness out of the way.
We won't have so many kids that are like stuck
up on anime and cosplay and all this other shit,
the fantasy us out there and getting sexualized by all
that and all the only fans models. Because if guys

(54:17):
actually got to experience sex more, we wouldn't care about porn.
We wouldn't care about OnlyFans. I mean, if porn were
out there, then we probably watch with our partners and
get some tips off of it, but that would be it.
Imagine those more sex in the world. I always thought
that was this true. More sex in love of the world.

(54:37):
There will be less war, there will be more people
together or and people would be a lot happier. I
think at least in that respect, we will not fix
all the problems of the world. We'll so have our stresses,
but at least we can handle things better. I just
think it's that way. Okay, final clip, And I appreciate
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(54:58):
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(55:19):
Final clip on this interview from the Disruptor's podcast from
Andrew Tate and Bonnie Blue. Here's the final clip. This
is on OnlyFans models getting sanctimonious, and please.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Don't do that. I want you until the end in
the old people's home. I want you, know, petting zoo
eight and five year old pettings. I want you to
do it to the end and stay real about your
your choices. All right, we'll nune the real g Then
she made her decision. Live by the sword, die by
the sword, Live by the code street life. It is
what it is like me. I could have fucking puss

(55:50):
it out by now when they put me in jail.
I could have start saying, yeah, women should vote, No,
they shouldn't, so fuck you put me in jail. That
I stick to what I mean. She's gonna stick to
what she means and what she says and what she
wants to do. She's not gonna start busting out and
trying to use religion as a as a shield, because
that's what most of these only fans girls do. Yeah,
and there's always some white boy.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Especially you want no motivation life. They don't know what
to do. They're like, okay, what can I do now?

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Okay, am I a left dropping on my fancy accounts? Dropping?

Speaker 4 (56:13):
I know, let's just say I've I found God. They've
got no motivation or driving life. They have to be
given a purpose, You have to be given a reason
to live.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
It's either well, they don't want to take responsibility for
what they did. Yeah, what they want to do is
they want to erase their past.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Okay. So there's a great line that I've used, and
I might have said it on this program here before
when it comes to cancel culture. And I used to
talk about this quite a bit on one of our podcasting,
which was the series that preceded the Praise to de
Badres Tom likeus, who very ironically would talk about this

(56:48):
kind of thing when it came to like us one
on one his course on how men should be getting
laid more and how they should get laid. But again,
this was the nineties and there was a different time
and the rules can't apply any war today. They might
have applied a little bit back then, but not anymore now.
But one of the things you use is always talk
about was the fact that you don't apologize for who
you are, for some of the choices you make, some

(57:11):
of the mistakes you might make, and for what you
make of yourself. That you don't need to go ahead
and give into someone and just apologize and feel like
you need to go ahead and mad culpa for things
that you've done. Now, that's one thing to be a
twelve stepper and something where you've gone through addiction and
the people that you've heard it's true. But for your

(57:33):
sexual activity, for who you slept with and who you
got together with, Yeah, I don't think that's something we
need to go and be a feeling we need to
go ahead and get caught up on. I don't know.
I think that men and women should be able to
go ahead and maybe not have to necessarily open up
about what they've done. But I think you just reflect

(57:57):
them back on who you are. But like you just
think about there's things that you've done in your life
that maybe you'll do things differently, but it doesn't change
who you are. Just embrace that you did it and
make sure you didn't hurt anybody in the process. So
if you did hurt somebody in the process, it's a
different story. But I don't think we need to go
ahead and be so hard on ourselves. And the thing is,

(58:19):
I mean, how many times do we hear celebrities that
will then decide to start becoming apologetic and then change
your lives. Is it for publicity? Is it really like
a sincere thing? And I'll talk about how our Sturm
before and for his decision to go ahead and take
away everything that he said and the things that he
did to women on his radio show and take all

(58:41):
that kind of person that he made and regret it
all together. What made him a star, what made him
millions about millions of dollars And to think that, oh,
this is going to be something I'm gonna do right
now because I need to play caate, I need to
go ahead and you know, regret what I did. If
you want to have confessions, you can go find a priest. Okay,

(59:01):
you can confess to other family members whatever, but like
to go and make it public like this, and I don't.
I don't buy it. And I don't like people to
do apologies a public like that. I just don't like it.
I don't care how sincere it is. It doesn't settle
well for me sometimes, and for some people it might
be different. I mean, they have to feel like they

(59:22):
gotta do it, that's fine. But if you really hurt somebody, yes,
you have to apologize. You need to feel sorry, and
you need to feel regret for what you did. But
if you lived the life that you feel like you
regret and what you did, okay, well that's upon you.
And you know you grew up to be a better person.
But you shouldn't get yourself all caught up and upset

(59:43):
the you know, the fact that I meane, things didn't
work out with the way they did, right, and you
might have been out there before women that might have
been very horrish like, right, and you might have had
a reputation, but not everybody's gonna know what that is. Right,
you could change, but first, well, i'd like, you can't
do anything about that. Now you go and do what
your life that's gonna be like now anyway, But for

(01:00:05):
the younger people, just make it just a phase where
you're being depraved and debotress

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