October 22, 2025 • 41 mins
The romanticized image of the endlessly wealthy sugar daddy showering his companion with private jets and designer bags is fading in the face of harsh economic realities. A broad economic squeeze is impacting benefactors, who are increasingly mid-career professionals rather than just the ultra-rich, and they are finding it difficult to maintain the "G6 lifestyle."
As one article highlights, these men are now skipping their own meals to cover a sugar baby's nail appointment and lamenting that they can only afford "Delta Economy Class." This financial strain has given rise to "Splenda daddies" and "salt daddies," men who can no longer be as generous as they once were, leading to disappointment and conflict within these transactional relationships.
Sugar babies are feeling the pinch as well, with one complaining her lavish birthday expectations of a trip to the Philippines were dashed when she received a pair of headphones. This new dynamic, where "prices are getting higher, and sex is getting cheaper," has intensified the "hustle" for sugar babies. Finding a viable benefactor has become a tactical operation, with guides suggesting potential babies strategically position themselves in specific high-end locales.
These include exclusive hotel bars, the service centers of luxury car dealerships, private airport terminals, and specific seating levels at major sporting events, all in a calculated effort to "meet their next benefactor out in the wild."
However, this increased financial pressure and the inherent nature of the arrangements can lead to far more extreme and manipulative behaviors. When these "mutually beneficial" relationships break down, some sugar babies have resorted to criminal extortion and fraud.
A legal analysis of sugar dating in Singapore highlights several court cases where these tactics were employed. In one instance, a 23-year-old woman was jailed for cheating a man out of over S$8,000 after pretending to be underage. In another case, a woman filed a false rape report against her sugar daddy following a dispute over payment. Other common manipulative tactics include catfishing, lying about one's age, and, most notably, extortion by threatening to expose intimate materials or the nature of the relationship itself.
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As one article highlights, these men are now skipping their own meals to cover a sugar baby's nail appointment and lamenting that they can only afford "Delta Economy Class." This financial strain has given rise to "Splenda daddies" and "salt daddies," men who can no longer be as generous as they once were, leading to disappointment and conflict within these transactional relationships.
Sugar babies are feeling the pinch as well, with one complaining her lavish birthday expectations of a trip to the Philippines were dashed when she received a pair of headphones. This new dynamic, where "prices are getting higher, and sex is getting cheaper," has intensified the "hustle" for sugar babies. Finding a viable benefactor has become a tactical operation, with guides suggesting potential babies strategically position themselves in specific high-end locales.
These include exclusive hotel bars, the service centers of luxury car dealerships, private airport terminals, and specific seating levels at major sporting events, all in a calculated effort to "meet their next benefactor out in the wild."
However, this increased financial pressure and the inherent nature of the arrangements can lead to far more extreme and manipulative behaviors. When these "mutually beneficial" relationships break down, some sugar babies have resorted to criminal extortion and fraud.
A legal analysis of sugar dating in Singapore highlights several court cases where these tactics were employed. In one instance, a 23-year-old woman was jailed for cheating a man out of over S$8,000 after pretending to be underage. In another case, a woman filed a false rape report against her sugar daddy following a dispute over payment. Other common manipulative tactics include catfishing, lying about one's age, and, most notably, extortion by threatening to expose intimate materials or the nature of the relationship itself.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Podcasting since two thousand and five. This is the King
of Podcasts Radio Network, Kingopodcasts dot com. It's getting hard
on these streets to be a sugar daddy. We're all
a little depraved and debaucherous. Here is the King of podcasts.
(00:21):
And I hope all of you last week got a chance.
He's going to listen to my interview with doctor Elli
and Justin about sexual wearables and for those guys that
have been getting the myth of direct caw, this function
being constantly talked about. So we had a great conversation
last week. I hope you had a chance to listen
to it. If you did not, please go back and
listen to it and just know that we're not just
talking about the wearable. There's so much more we're talking about.
(00:43):
But because for guys out there to understand that you
are getting a little bit of the run around when
it comes to feeling like, Okay, you're not performing well
in the bedroom or you're not able to get your
performance up to par, that some of that is just
you know, what's been out there on social media online,
(01:07):
what people have been saying, the constant kind of tropes
that are out there for years that you've heard, but
it is getting hard for guys to go and continue
to get laid like they could be, like they should be,
and for women also in the same light, mind, because
everything's so transactional now, as we have talked about here
on the program, even going back to what was it
(01:29):
at the start of this year. You know, it's love, sex,
and money. I mean, there's only three different ways that
you can have any relationships now. So what about the
sugar daddy's out there that have tried to go ahead
and in these tough economic times, if you will listen,
we still have some inflation, we still have things where
(01:50):
it's not that he's going to secure a job, and
you know, we have people that are trying to go
out now where you know, women that might be on
the dole on the government needing the help of EBT
and SNAP and food stamps and all that stuff, and hey,
government assistance for someone out there to single moms, or
for those that are out there that are you know,
for whatever reason they are on the dole. There is
(02:14):
somebody said about times are tough, and maybe not for
guys who are sugar daddies. There are times gonna be tough.
If they have the means and the wherewithal. The difference
is that if there's not that much money coming in,
when you've accumulated a certain amount of wealth, you're not
looking to go ahead and tap into that wealth as
start putting out and start taking from it. Okay, there
(02:38):
isn't really any kind of such thing as money to
burn unless you're living in Palm Beach or Jupiter Islander,
you know, on the Hamptons or something like that. That's
just not gonna be a billionaire to have money to burn.
But if you're getting there towards the billion the millions,
and you're trying to get in up there, there is
still no such thing as money to burn. And for
those that are smart enough, they're not going to go
in just tap into their savings or money they have
(02:58):
put aside unless they have it put aside for something. Okay,
But yes, cost of living is climbing, and we've talked
about it for modern women. They are struggling to keep
ends meeting and to be able to go ahead and
keep up with the kind of rent the wrists on here.
I mean, I thinking about in the city of Miami
right now, talk about a one bedroom starting a fit
(03:19):
like twenty five hundred dollars a month or easily to
get a good one bedroom apartment. You're talking about a
good one better apartment in a nice area. Okay, when
would brickle, you know, central downtown Miami, you're talking about
three thirty five hundred and four thousand dollars. It's like
in New York because now down here has gotten much
more expensive. Bustle put out a story recently about even
(03:43):
the sugar daddies are filling the squeeze so recession indicators.
When you know that we're dealing with things now where
money is just not that coming across, and the idea
of the kind of money that women might want to
ask and what they're asking for, I mean, that's the
thing too, is the investment of For instance, if you
are with sugar baby and you are a sugar daddy
(04:06):
and you have a woman who is somebody that you're supporting,
and the kind of things you're gonna ask for. Okay,
it's always one thing for certain sugar daddy is to
want to go ahead and do something. Well, they'll spend
money if it's for the good of somebody, but not
just disposable like Okay, what are you using this for?
Are you gonna save some of this or are you
gonna do something with it because I'm not gonna be
here forever. Well, I'm sure most women don't think that way.
(04:29):
So they telling the story here about a twenty nine
year old tennis coach and this guy is ordering Chinese
steake out on grub Hub and he gets a text, Daddy,
could you send me some money to get my nails done?
He says, one hundred dollars. Man, that's a lot. Man
(04:52):
one hundred dollars, closes the app and goes and whent's
a bit hungry. He says, I decided not to eat.
I only have so much cash. No, no, no, the priorities have
to be changed around. You don't benefit from her nails
getting done. Okay, that's just something that will make her
feel better, But really it doesn't really mean much of anything.
(05:16):
And the thing is for this, Sugardetti, why would you
just go and just send a hundred bucks like that?
I want to just think about how how much the
nails would be to get done. I don't think they're
gon bee hundred dollars. I don't know what kind of
you know, kind of tips she's getting on those things,
or whatever kind of design she's getting. I mean, I
guess I haven't gone to a nail salon to find
out how much the women are now charging these days
(05:37):
for those kind of things. But I would imagine I
thought you would think, we like, go at forty sixty
bucks now, right? Or maybe I'm completely off, but I
guess for the kind of nails that she wants, the
kind of maintenances she has, it's maintenance. And that's one
of those things where I mean, how much as a
sugardetti do you want to go ahead and invest in a
girl's maintenance. So the thing is he's by himself on
(06:00):
some given night, order your Chinese stick out a grub Hub.
By the way, buddy, you know, if you're gonna be
a smart guy to be spending Yeah, why are you
ordering food on grub Hub? I mean, I'm just gonna
cost I know, because I'm a part time mover driver, okay,
and I do a lot of deliveries. I can imagine
on Grubhub when you go in and get this done,
you're talking about the Chinese takeout? What twenty twenty five
dollars reaty The dollars for whatever you're gonna get, entree, appetizer, whatever,
(06:24):
and then the service charge at least is gonna be
five ten. It's gonna be at least ten dollars in
San Francisco at nine o'clock. Yeah, so you might be
paying fifty bucks for the Chinese takeout and then you
decide to go and give one hundred dollars over to her.
There's gotta be a point when you are filling the
pinch here that you shouldn't feel ashamed about the fact that, hey,
time's a little bit tough. I'm only gonna send this
(06:46):
bunch right now, and I hope you could just figure
out a way to go and get the rest for yourself,
because I'll tell you you can do that, and I
think it gonna be some women that might be a
little bit understanding, because the other thing, too is you
got to be able to fill throughout the girls you're
with if they're at the point where I mean, this
guy just sounded like he just wanted to make sure
that she was just like, Okay, leave me alone here,
(07:09):
I send it done. But if you sit to yourself,
if you could take the test and say, baby, you
know I'm only gonna be able to send this bunch,
and just if it's a little less than what she's expecting,
is she gonna be understanding? Is she going to be
meaniable and say, okay, you know what, Yeah, I'll make
(07:30):
up the rest. That's okay, baby, don't worry about it.
And then I think about the fact that, okay, then
you realize, okay, this girl's being understanding. She's got a
little patience on her. She might not expect you to
go and do that every time. You're not gonna try
to be, you know, liver really cheap. But if you've
spent on her significantly, and then you decide, okay, you
(07:51):
know what, after a while, you're not gonna always just
spend a certain amount that the expectation can't just be
out there all the time. If times are tough, then
you say to yourself, you know what, baby, I'm only
gonna able to send you this much right now. You know,
I need some money to come in. Because that's the
excuse you gotta say, like, listen, you need money to
come in. It's not like you don't have money. I'm sure,
(08:11):
because if you try to go and say you don't
have money. The girl's gonna believe you're lying, So you
just gotta say, I don't have money coming in. There's
certain money not coming in. I want you for some
new money to come in, so all I can send
you this much right now because I gotta feel other
things to come up. Got some bills, got some other
things are gonna take care of I got some deals.
I gotta wait the gun pan out, but I'm gonna
go and take care of you. So just like, just
(08:32):
be patient with me. And the truth is, if the
girl buckles back at you and she gets upset that
you don't send out a certain amount and she wants
to drop out, let her, she just gave you the
way out, the exit strategy. And then the one thing
is about the fact that if she gets upset and
(08:53):
has a hissy fit and runs away and it just
drops off ghosts you. You know what will happen is
you're actually going to get her to come back. Do
you want to keep things exciting and interesting? You need
to go and play a little bit of the trickery
here to realize how much is this sugar baby invested
in you? Because remember, at the end of the day,
in a sugar relationship. You want to make sure you're
(09:15):
feeling that there's some romantic needs being met, some kind
of feeling of that you are being wanted, you are
being loved, and you know that you're being satisfied that
you're getting someone out of this. Because you got to
be able to get return on investment. Something's got to
come out of that. And again we're not getting any
real return on investment at all doing this. If you're
(09:36):
a sugar daddy, so you got to get something, something
out of it. And if she wants to get her
nails done, why don't she just just get you know,
you send an app like you go and PayPal cash
app at Venmo. Why doesn't she come over? I mean
that's the other thing too. You know, you can do
(09:58):
something where hey, I'm going to take out what just
come on over. But then she could probably say, well
maybe you should have a car. She'll ask you to
uber over. There could be just some other costs along
with that, but that's the first part of all this.
So now, this guy here, this tennis coach, said he
never planned on becoming a sugar daddy, but a female
(10:19):
friend texted him a picture of herself treading on dresses
in a story and asked which one to get. I said, oh,
I'll buy you whichever one you want. He's a simp,
so he said it like that. She didn't believe him,
but her phone lit up with Venmo and then conversations
turned steamy. First time was extraordinarily hot. So they had sex,
and he enjoyed it, and there was something about her
(10:41):
excitement and responsiveness, and I found myself eager to give
more and get more. So capitalism has created such dire
conditions to the power of money was sexual nature, right,
because now you know there are women that are definitely
motivated by money. But the thing is, you can't just
be in a relationship thinking you're gonna go into is actionable.
You have to make it a quid pro quo. You
(11:03):
have to make it where you're getting something for something.
It's got to be something of value to you that
takes care of you. So he created multiple sugar relationships
and the same kind of thing. The thing is, you
don't go right into like a I'll just buy it
for you. I mean, if he's got the money for it,
I guess then he could just like use that line
(11:25):
and he's going to answer sex because that's the only
reason he could have done that. Because if they're talking
about dress shopping, he happened to be there and he says,
i'll buy it for you. He is basically sitting to
the girl, number one, you're going to have sex with me,
and number two, that's the only reason you're gonna get
the dress, and you should buy the dress for him
(11:49):
for him to enjoy you in right. And then it's
also he's to choose the dress, choose to see it
on you, choose to see it on you when you
get together, choose to take it off of you when
you have sex. So if he's dropping that kind of
line on you, you can't just assume, Oh, he's just
gonna buy it for me, and then I don't expect anything.
He's not gonna expect a need to return, No, unless
(12:11):
he's a simp, which that guy could have been, but
it just sounded like simp talk right there. But the
truth is, to me, the fact that he actually says
that right away the first time was extraordinally hot. Yep.
That means they got right into talking, they got right
into god in the bedroom. So he's getting what he
wants from it. And it was as simple as him
buying a dress for a girl to impress, and then
(12:33):
he got to take it off and do his thing.
So compared to the time instance of hassle of modern dating,
he felt it was way to get his needs met. Quote,
I'm ultimately successful because I worked ten the fourteen hours
a day. I'm saving time by just being like, I
need you to send me a picture of your butt,
and then an I want your emotional support. We get
schedule a time to talk. But his income took a hit.
(12:56):
Layoffs industry show, the industry slowed down. It's tense economic
rap backdrop and tennis clients can't afford his coaching anymore.
And the kind of things that these sugar babies would
ask him for, he obviously had a particular high maintenance
type that he was going after. I wouldn't go after
these kind of girls myself, but he did. Obviously he
(13:17):
was able to go and do that because of his status.
Now requests from the sugar babies, remember, he gets nothing
from this. Nails, shoes, flights three thousand dollars are undergrounde tickets.
He calls it unethical non monogamy, not because they went
sexual exclusivity, but he felt forced to choose between whom
(13:39):
to send money to to turn to cook on account
of as long ours, he would skip his frequent door
dash habit to keep up. He's like, why am I
starving myself for this? Sex is important in my life,
but it shouldn't take presents over me eating. Correct. The
thing is, there's the money that you have, that's your
discretional spending that you normally use on everything. Okay, I
(14:00):
should have like a budget of what you're going to
spend regularly, and then you have the money that you
have a side to go and play with a certain
amount of play money. This guy should not be giving
up his normal revetay routine. Now. The thing is for him,
it's a frequent door dash habit or grub hub habit. So, okay,
(14:23):
you're not replacing it with cooking or anything like that yourself.
You're still going out and going out and having food
and just going out for takeout, like if you were
to replace it, I mean, before you decide to go
and just start cutting out and starving. No, you can
go ahead and make an adjustment. But he didn't want
to do that because he's working at ten to fourteen
(14:43):
hours a day. I get it. I get it. He
talks about that I want the G six lifestyle, but
I can afford delta economy class. Now, when women had
the illusional idea of sugar daddies, which is where they
go on these sites, okay, whether it's seeking or sugar
(15:05):
book or seat or what is it a sugar babies
or you know, established mail, whatever there is, there's all
these other sites. Okay, sugar daddy meat. The images are
a penthouse's caviar. Private justices are like multi billionaires or billionaires. No,
most sugar daddies, in a matter of fact of twenty
(15:26):
twenty five are mid career professionals with some disposable income,
but not so much that money is no object. Correct
with inflation, skyrocketing rents and a perpetually looming recession, women
who see financials secure, men who've seen financials secure really
have had the cume back women that might have been
financially secure. That's not happening so much anymore because women
(15:47):
have how much more go to try to go ahead
and live the lifestyle they have, maintain their beauty, maintain
their presence, their status, are attire, and then try to
go along because not as practical or appliable or meaniable
as men do are. Okay, we're just more efficient and
more frugal. As a matter of fact, we're just this
way we're built. That's how we operate. So men, now,
(16:09):
if they don't have that disposable income as much, then
they have to go ahead make adjustments. So if you're
seeing that, ladies, if you have a sugar daddy around you,
you need to keep them and to account right now
because times are not as good as they once were.
And you know when other people that are affluent don't
(16:32):
want to spend so much money. You could tell when
you see not as many people going out to the
restaurants are bars on a regular basis. They're kind of
spending you see now coming up for the holidays. Okay,
who's all going out for Halloween? Who's going out for
Thanksgiving or New Year's or Christmas and all that stuff? Like?
You got to think about the fact that how many
people these go out dating, how often are restaurants open
and very bustling in the middle of the week, how
(16:55):
the tourist season is right now? Because let me do
it right now, South Florida, I can see you right now,
tourist seasons should be starting at this moment October fifteenth
up until April. It's not started yet. I can tell
you that by being in the service industry, you'll realize
if things are picking up or not. If the restaurants
(17:15):
are picking up, you're getting a lot of food, orders're
getting everything else. If you've got people that are actually
ordering out a lot. And also by the type of
tips they're giving out for those service workers doing Uber, Doordasher,
grub Hub, you don't know, but if they're not putting
out more than a dollar tip or something wrong. Now
(17:37):
they talk to Morgan, who's a mid twenties escort former
sugar baby, saying that there's a shit to what clients expect.
Quote they want the full girlfriend experience, but for less.
She's now offering a client a payment plan. Is the
cost of living crisis that he's trying to negotiate, Okay,
another try to negotiate with her. Another're asking for kind
(18:00):
of rate and then sulk when she had to leave
his chosen date an ecstatic dance class sound tracked by
chaias my neck my back to see another client quote,
he should have gotten more for his money because he's
not like a rich finance bro. But I'm not doing
it on a sliding scale. He calls himself an anti
capitalist writer, but I think he just really means he
doesn't have a lot of money. So there are reddit
(18:22):
forms out there, one like sugar Relationship that babies are
commensdating about clients who fill the value of their time
them s splend the daddies or andssalt daddies. Oh my goodness,
that's crazy. Another person writing, well, we went from versace
bags to freaking beats by doctor dre mind you is
(18:43):
by effing birthday, I wanted a trip to the Philippines.
So over the years, sugar babies have been less stigmatized,
more mainstream. You have buzzwords like provider mindset and high
value woman. As I've been on this show talking about
we've absolutely had have a rise in sugar babies more
than ever in the last ten years. You see a
(19:04):
prominent part of that, and to some of that extent,
some of those women that don't want not want to
be sugar babies. They're only fans models because that's the
prey that the Bocher' sized style. They live to be
able to make a living instead of going in the
old fashion where where they go to a strip club
go grinding a pole. They're not doing that anymore. If
they can make it easy on themselves, they're going to
find a way. We also know the rise of findom
(19:28):
or financial domination. We talked about that's on the program.
I've been talking about that since when I'm not podcasting
days on TikTok. You see stay at home girlfriends or
a self procraimed mattress actress glamorizing their soft lifestyle, luxury vacations,
penthouse suites, and more. Women expect financial compensation for their
partners outside the strict boundaries of sex work. So does
it embalance in the market. Want to give sugar daddies
(19:50):
more freedom to low ball? Well, I'll tell you what too.
For those women that also don't find those jobs that
are just real cush. Okay, So they might have gotten
a degree and they find some cush job. They're kind
of just like being daycare. They're like eight hours at
a job, a couple of emails that send out, but
they're enjoying machas and lattes and you know, grabbing lunch
and you know, just relaxed atmosphere, come with me as
(20:12):
I go work, and they're not really working at all.
They're just kind of just lax. Just like there's not
that many of those jobs right now anymore. As the
ver much as is, there's not that many sugar NAIs
out there that are living out the lifestyle. I mean,
I can imagine the travel industry is taking a hit
right now for people are going out, and I mean,
I wonder how many people are really going out on
(20:33):
flights right now and really going out in the jetsity
lifestyle that's not a business lifestyle. Just keeping that point. Sabrina,
a longtime sex worker in Canada, less sugaring for strip
club work. She says the men aren't as generous as
they were before. They expected a lot more for a
lot less, and as the senders get lower, I'm seeing
a lot of girls just accepted we're not unionized, we
(20:54):
don't really have a choice. And so this is the
one that also said she wanted toh to the Philippines,
saying that when she didn't get all that she wanted,
normally expecting a luxury vacation, a Michelin Star dinner, and
a designer bag, she found a pair of headphones. Probably
(21:16):
the beats by Dre are good headphones. Okay, the earbuds
are really good. She wanted a trip to the Philippines.
I wonder if she's from the Philippines, but we don't
know that. Here quote unquote, all the sugar daddies have
dried up, prices are getting higher, and sex is getting cheaper.
It's a tragedy. He talked to another guy that was
thinking about the fact that he gave up having a
(21:38):
pet at home because he wanted to go ahead and
find something else that with his money, time and attention.
So he says that this guy Jay, as a fairly
high income doesn't come for money, but costs is certainly
a factor. He's a married sugar daddy, so he can
take breaks and build a preserve of money of what
I want to do with. But I would need to
be in a much higher income bracket if I was
(21:59):
trying to somebody at my back and call. Now. He
says that all relationships are transactional some way. They're just
making the implicit parts explicit For other daddies. Paper meat
dates pay per meat provide a way to fulfill specific fantasies.
Be with more beautiful women or get a leg up
in a hostile dating market. Well, and there's one thing
(22:20):
at the end of the day that for the guys,
if they're looking at escorts of sugar daddies, I need
to break this to you. But guys, you know this.
There are a lot of beautiful women of a very
high end of beauty that are the ones working in
these particular areas. They are looking for sugar daddies, they
are looking for es, they are escorting, or they might
be you know, in some place where you can find them.
(22:41):
And you know they're only looking to be transactional. So
as long as you make sure you keep it transactional,
as long as you make sure that you're not getting
yourself caught up in them, then you need to always
really realize. I mean, you can have some feelings, I guess,
but at any time, if you've got to be able
to feel the need to exit and break out, you will.
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And you need to be able to put your foot
down if you can't handle the demand that this girl
has from you, because if you're doing her well, what
happens is she will demand and then she will gauge
what kind of demand she can get from you how
oft is she can get from you, and then she
will try to increase it, and you need to be
smart enough to realize, you know what, you need to
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have a rotation, a stable if you're a sugar sugar
daddy and just say, you know what, no, no, I'm
not gonna let her go and do this. She's not
gonna roll over me. You can easily just drop her
and just you know, you don't need to go and
make any kind of justification as to why you don't
need to go and go through the relationship style where
like you have to justify the relationship and make it
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a point where look, this is the reasons we have
to break it off. No, you just break it off.
You have to. He says, I'm in with models, people
who pulls her payboy all severy day girls who are
better looking than what I get on the dating scene. Correct.
The other part is that there's the appeal of sugaring
is wrapped up in anxieties about masculinity. Dating as a
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man already comes at a high price point, not just
for the cost of dates, but the numerous dating as
subscriptions it takes to get that date to cover you
pay for nightclubs and hopes of getting meeting someone, which
you know, the nightclub scene is not even worse because
it's all bottle service. There's all dance club you're spending
right now parking, the admission to get inside, and the
drinks which are completely overpriced, all of it. I mean,
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I was telling somebody the other day about the clubs
used to have, you know, in West Palm Beach, and
I'm saying to myself, Okay, we can go to Club
Sofari and the PGA Marriott PJ Boulevard if all of
you know, you know, and you pay three dollars to
get in, parking is free, you get into, the drinks
are probably like three to five bucks for wall drinks.
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You're getting drunk. You get out there, you're there till
two in the morning. Then you go to Flirts that's
down in West Palm and on Okeetoby Boulevard West. You
go there and you know, no cover, and the drinks
are like five bucks each. Not even that. You got
a food tricks ding out front. You want to go
and get a burger, gets them, get a hot dog,
get whatever you know, sasage peppers, whatever it is. And
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the drinks are flowing till five in the morning, and
all the girls will be everywhere because they would make
sure ladies' night was full and until And the point
was that you made sure that the girls came in free.
It's the guys, you're paying everything. We're covering for the
women because we want the women there in the droves.
And that's how it used to work. These days not
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even close. And then the fact that I still see
the point of some women now nightclubs are just strip
clubs because the strip clubs are down more than nightclubs
because they've taken on that lifestyle. And the women know
the barriers to entry to get in there, from the
parking to the two treat minimum, to the cover to
the payments that the money that have they put down
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to the women on a regular basis. They just can't
be talking to the girl well they want to talk to.
They have to keep spending money on the entertainment because
that's what's expected or the manager kicks you out. So
the limited time you have in there, you have to
keep spending and spending and spending. You are a constant
ATM machine while you're in there. No, and the women
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don't think about the fact of how much yea, that
these guys have to spend on dates or whatever they
could care less. Sugaring, by comparison, is a reliable expense
you can budget around. So women looking for that provider
mindset make a similar argument between wage gaps and keep
them with beauty standards. It takes a lot of effort
and money to be a desirable date, right, So part
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of it is you are putting money into the investment
because you are getting the beautiful girl that you want,
because she's keeping yourself together, in good shape, with the
right makeup, the right hair, this and that. But then again,
I gotta say there's something to be said about if
you can find a woman that is going to be
a sugar baby for you, I would have more than not.
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You're gonna find a girl that is more than natural
and looks really good without makeup as well, doesn't really
need much makeup to put herself together. And those are
the ones that you really are trying to go ahead
and vouch for. You're trying to go after anyway, because
if you are going after a girl that is just
going through okay bbl and once fake eyelashes and the
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hairs not hers and extensions and all this other stuff,
all these extrasensories that are all just it's not real,
you know, it's just it creates an illusion of the
women that had delusion. No, you don't want that now,
the tennis coach, we'll go back to him. He internalized
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the message that wealth was her first classic of the
romantic success. His dad would always point at bald men
with a beautifulman to say, you only get there if
you have money. When I got older, i'd see dating
hat prompts that were like, if you're balding, don't swap swipe.
If you're under six feet, don't swipe. If you don't
make X money, don't swipe. You know. I was like, oh,
these things are real. Real. So he thought if skipping
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meals wasn't enough to change his mind about being a
sugar daddy, there was a point where sugar Baby goes
to him after taking his money, and he said, quote,
it made me realize that everybody in this dynamic is
trying to survive financially. But people aren't able to have
a good faith connection in my any realm, even when
the money thing that's connecting you. Yes, the trust factor
is a big issue, and we're going to keep it
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there because the trust issue is a big problem. Now.
He goes on to say, here, this tennis coach, I
remember seeing some meme of some dominantrics being like, I
know we're about to hit a recession because all my
fin subs don't want to give me money right now.
And when the people get turned on by paying don't
want to do it, that's a bad sign. So we'll
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get in the moment into these stories about sugar dating
right now everywhere else here and abroad. Well, there's one
story we got to talk about first in Canada that
is quite interesting because you need to be careful of
what you're doing if you're going to be in the
sugar dating space. British Columbia Superior Court this week as
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awarded to a twenty three year old who met her
sugardaddy on a dating website in twenty twenty during COVID.
She's now on top of the four thousand dollars a
month in spousal support. Yeah, she's now getting interim spousal
support from a wealthy seventy seven year old sugar daddy
she met online. So Jada Jane Bikar and Alexander Morto
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met On seeking arrangement in late twenty twenty. In the
highly unusual matrimonial action heard in British Columbia Supreme Court
in Vancouver, Canada, both accused the other of starting the
quote relatively brief and tumultuous relationship for predatory purposes. The
couple began living together in March twenty twenty one, married
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in twenty twenty three of April, separated November twenty twenty four.
No children, so Bakarr asked for interim spousal support and
the production of financial documents for Morde, who claims she
claim earns two point four to five million dollars based
on his lifestyle and spending habits. The judge awarded the
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interim support roughly a third of what she was seeking.
She was asking for twelve thousand dollars a month at
a retroactive payment of spousal support for the eight months
since the couple separated, totally one hundred thousand, four hundred dollars,
but the court gave her four thousand a month and
a lump some of just under forty thousand dollars. Wow
other requests She had was that she would be paid
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seventeen thousand dollars for to continue to pay tuition for
foreign fashion schools she attends online, and three thousand dollars
for orthodonic treatment. They were both rejected. Morta denied earning
as much as Bikar claimed, says he's been retired for
many years and Report's own modest income and his opulate
lifestyle was financed by selling off capital assets from time
to time, so he said the spousal support should be
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tied to income rather than capital, and the judge agreed
with the assertion that Ms Bakarr was improperly seeking in
advance of future division of assets and the guise of
interim spousal support, but that her financial needs could be
met by working, seeking support from her wealthy family, or
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by selling the many expensive gifts he gave her during
the relationship. So he's trying to get away around it,
but you know, he got himself married. Dumb idea now.
But Car based her requests on interim support because Mortal
had encouraged her to spend ten thousand dollars a month
on her own rental accommodation at his expense. He took
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her traveling and regularly gave her expensive guests and as jewelry,
watches and handbags. They frequently dined together an expensive restaurants.
And right now she's not working, no source of income.
That's not good. She was studying anthropology at University of
British Columbia and be Car said Mortal discouraged her from
working and that Morto persuaded her to change careers and
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a role at a fashion school in Istanbul in Turkey,
but since she has refused to continue funding her tuition
since the break up, he was a refusing to excuse me.
So he's also was like contributing to the delinquency of
this minor, of this this girl you know, because she
is thinking like a young girl and just fall along
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with it. So some of the kind of capital assets
he was selling off, according to the funds he owns
a limited fund and the Mortal Principal Residence Trust. He
has financed his lavish spending by selling off capital assets,
which includes three homes in Vancouver and Burnaby that sold
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for seven hundred and thirty seven thousand, six hundred and
fifty nine thousand, six hundred and forty six thousand and
twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. So yeah, almost
two million dollars in capital assets. Wow, and through a
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shareholder a loan based on those sales. It was drowned
down to under over seven some hundred thousand dollars in
the past few years, and the mortal still has considerable assets.
He has a West convenict of her home at four
point seventy five million dollars and a property in a
Rubba worth one point two eight million. Yeah, this girl
hit the jackpot. This guy had money invested, so the homes,
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the trusts, he now has other things that he has
around where the kind of lifestyle she was living, she
was gonna get whatever she could because they decided to
get married. She had already been living opulately for a
few years before we returning to not having the kind
of status that she had before. Since separation, she had
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a claim that those monthly expenses she had over twelve
thousand dollars Pambas on a range over she longer owns,
ran over three thousand dollars though she's not renting, and
visits to Cosmetic for cosmetics and for salons at thirteen
hundred and fifty dollars a month combined so the judge
decided that miss Piccarr's needs can be met on a
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budget much more modest, with her ability to support herself
in part through part time work or the other means
available to her. She ordered that mister Morto contribute to
a reduced budget, paying the interim spousal support four thousand
dollars per month. And then Morto in this case also
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was trying to get the family dog together, a dog
named Frankie, which they got together in twenty twenty one
for emotional support during a psychiatric crisis. He wanted to
return to him, but the car will get to you
to have the dog. Horrible this. You have to watch
out for yourself. You can't get yourself caught up in
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these kind of things. So the kind of woman that
you're with. This guy made a huge mistake. I don't
care how much money he had, he picked the wrong
woman and the fact that he has had to go
ahead and get to the point of spending so much
on her, to the point of the lifestyle that she
was living and he was never gonna get rid of her.
Tell you what, man, just that's pretty tough. So what
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about sugar dating here and abroad? We're gonna wrap up
with that part because if you're asking yourself where to
go Miami. New Times recently put out a story about
where to meet a sugar daddy in Miami, and they
go through the ideas and say that you know, right now,
Miami is the only fans capital of the United States.
Swinking hotel bars become established for pickup spots for high
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end escorts, and of course there's always what Miami's Upper
East Side was back in the early two thousands. So
if you want to go ahead and find sugar daddies,
all your sugar babies out here, you need to be
in the two hundred level at hard Rocks. Yes, the
club club level, so if you're going too a Dolphins game,
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you'll run into plenty of season. To get suite owners,
you just need to make sure to spot the hosts
versus one of the hangers on, see who they're all
sucking up to, and then ask if he needs a
head cheerleader for his fantasy league. The Champagne Bar at
the Surf Club in Surfside on Collins Avenue. If there's
a champagne bar, they're named the best hotel bar of
twenty twenty five. That's the spot that they talk about.
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The Fountain Blue Avion at Opa Laca Airport. It's an
FBO or fixed based operation, an airport terminal for private planes,
and its grounds are for the most sought after sugar
daddies for obvious reasons, given the Fountain Blue name, which
does not translate the tables that live, but it might.
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Then you talk about the living room at Faena and
Miami Beach on Collins Avenue, the first United States outposts
of the Argentine hotel brand. You go there and plenty
of non sugar daddy babies love coming here for the
opolance setting, a live jazz or stop for before after dinner,
but you're here for the salt and pepper gentleman at
the bar with a string of ex wives and an
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Amex black card. There's the Paradise Plaza at the Miami
Design District. They mentioned the service center at the Collection,
which is the car dealer that runs and offers Lamborghinis
or ferraris the wdning room for an expensive stestistician. That's
another place you can also look. So those are the areas.
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Now what about if you're a broad well one country,
you might want to be weary of and be careful of.
You can think about doing that, say in Dominican Republic,
in Columbia, Venezuela, Philippines, Short Thailand, but Singapore different story.
Sugar Book has come into renewed scrutiny. That's a website
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that there is a lot of sugardaddis and sugar babies
on it. There's a lot of court cases of following
sugar dating relate arrangements. And now we have an issue
in Singapore about this. Over a month ago, a twenty
three year old woman sentenced to the eleven months in
jail for cheating a man that she met through sugar Book.
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She agreed this lady named Chang Way Chain agreed to
meet this guy in sex for sex and exchange for
four dollars American, so I mean four dollars Singapore or
three hundred and twelve dollars American, but did not go
through with it and took eighty one hundred dollars from
him after presenting to be underage. We talked about the
story before. Well then not long ago we brought this
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story up to you here on the program. And now
earlier this month, another one made a false rape report.
After a dispute with the man she been on the platform,
Clarice Leeming Rui, twenty years old, asked the forty three
year old man to pay her twelve hundred dollars Singapore,
but refused and only paid five hundred. In retaliation, she
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called the police and led about that she had been raped.
So two stories about two women on sugar Book that
met in the Philippines and the woman being penalized for it.
Now in the same vein there are men that have
been jailed for paying underage girls they met on sugar
Book for sex. One forty two year old sentenced to
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one and a half years in jail for paying a
sixteen year old sugar baby for sex. And then another
man thirty nine years old jailed for sexual penetration of
a fifteen year old girl and filled me in the
act without consent. Now, they didn't say how long he
was charged, but he should have been charged for a
long time for that kind of thing. That's just sick.
Legal age of consent is sixteen, but it's a defense
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to have commercial sex with anyone under eighteen. Keep that
in mind. You should know these things. Sex with a
person under fourteen is rape. Sex with someone under sixteen
would be considered sexual penetration for a minor an offense
under the Women's Charter. Very interesting to find all these
things that are going on in Singapore. And by the way,
sugar Book requires users to confirm their eighteen year olds
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at registration. These are Amazon Web services are for official
intelligence for age checks and verified phone numbers in facial verification.
But I guess that's not enough. Wow, that is weird,
wild stuff. Sugar babies and what to deal with now?
I mean, is it worth still going through? I guess.
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I mean, I think it's gonna be happening much more
than you would imagine, because guys still want to go
and get something from it, and maybe that the relationships
you don't want that consistent, consistent, having the gonna spend
so go transaction, find a girl, the hookup, when the
women with them, and then a little bit praise and
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And I hope all of you last week got a chance.
He's going to listen to my interview with doctor Elli
and Justin about sexual wearables and for those guys that
have been getting the myth of direct caw, this function
being constantly talked about. So we had a great conversation
last week. I hope you had a chance to listen
to it. If you did not, please go back and
listen to it and just know that we're not just
talking about the wearable. There's so much more we're talking about.
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But because for guys out there to understand that you
are getting a little bit of the run around when
it comes to feeling like, Okay, you're not performing well
in the bedroom or you're not able to get your
performance up to par, that some of that is just
you know, what's been out there on social media online,
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what people have been saying, the constant kind of tropes
that are out there for years that you've heard, but
it is getting hard for guys to go and continue
to get laid like they could be, like they should be,
and for women also in the same light, mind, because
everything's so transactional now, as we have talked about here
on the program, even going back to what was it
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at the start of this year. You know, it's love, sex,
and money. I mean, there's only three different ways that
you can have any relationships now. So what about the
sugar daddy's out there that have tried to go ahead
and in these tough economic times, if you will listen,
we still have some inflation, we still have things where
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it's not that he's going to secure a job, and
you know, we have people that are trying to go
out now where you know, women that might be on
the dole on the government needing the help of EBT
and SNAP and food stamps and all that stuff, and hey,
government assistance for someone out there to single moms, or
for those that are out there that are you know,
for whatever reason they are on the dole. There is
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somebody said about times are tough, and maybe not for
guys who are sugar daddies. There are times gonna be tough.
If they have the means and the wherewithal. The difference
is that if there's not that much money coming in,
when you've accumulated a certain amount of wealth, you're not
looking to go ahead and tap into that wealth as
start putting out and start taking from it. Okay, there
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isn't really any kind of such thing as money to
burn unless you're living in Palm Beach or Jupiter Islander,
you know, on the Hamptons or something like that. That's
just not gonna be a billionaire to have money to burn.
But if you're getting there towards the billion the millions,
and you're trying to get in up there, there is
still no such thing as money to burn. And for
those that are smart enough, they're not going to go
in just tap into their savings or money they have
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put aside unless they have it put aside for something. Okay,
But yes, cost of living is climbing, and we've talked
about it for modern women. They are struggling to keep
ends meeting and to be able to go ahead and
keep up with the kind of rent the wrists on here.
I mean, I thinking about in the city of Miami
right now, talk about a one bedroom starting a fit
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like twenty five hundred dollars a month or easily to
get a good one bedroom apartment. You're talking about a
good one better apartment in a nice area. Okay, when
would brickle, you know, central downtown Miami, you're talking about
three thirty five hundred and four thousand dollars. It's like
in New York because now down here has gotten much
more expensive. Bustle put out a story recently about even
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the sugar daddies are filling the squeeze so recession indicators.
When you know that we're dealing with things now where
money is just not that coming across, and the idea
of the kind of money that women might want to
ask and what they're asking for, I mean, that's the
thing too, is the investment of For instance, if you
are with sugar baby and you are a sugar daddy
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and you have a woman who is somebody that you're supporting,
and the kind of things you're gonna ask for. Okay,
it's always one thing for certain sugar daddy is to
want to go ahead and do something. Well, they'll spend
money if it's for the good of somebody, but not
just disposable like Okay, what are you using this for?
Are you gonna save some of this or are you
gonna do something with it because I'm not gonna be
here forever. Well, I'm sure most women don't think that way.
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So they telling the story here about a twenty nine
year old tennis coach and this guy is ordering Chinese
steake out on grub Hub and he gets a text, Daddy,
could you send me some money to get my nails done?
He says, one hundred dollars. Man, that's a lot. Man
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one hundred dollars, closes the app and goes and whent's
a bit hungry. He says, I decided not to eat.
I only have so much cash. No, no, no, the priorities have
to be changed around. You don't benefit from her nails
getting done. Okay, that's just something that will make her
feel better, But really it doesn't really mean much of anything.
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And the thing is for this, Sugardetti, why would you
just go and just send a hundred bucks like that?
I want to just think about how how much the
nails would be to get done. I don't think they're
gon bee hundred dollars. I don't know what kind of
you know, kind of tips she's getting on those things,
or whatever kind of design she's getting. I mean, I
guess I haven't gone to a nail salon to find
out how much the women are now charging these days
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for those kind of things. But I would imagine I
thought you would think, we like, go at forty sixty
bucks now, right? Or maybe I'm completely off, but I
guess for the kind of nails that she wants, the
kind of maintenances she has, it's maintenance. And that's one
of those things where I mean, how much as a
sugardetti do you want to go ahead and invest in a
girl's maintenance. So the thing is he's by himself on
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some given night, order your Chinese stick out a grub Hub.
By the way, buddy, you know, if you're gonna be
a smart guy to be spending Yeah, why are you
ordering food on grub Hub? I mean, I'm just gonna
cost I know, because I'm a part time mover driver, okay,
and I do a lot of deliveries. I can imagine
on Grubhub when you go in and get this done,
you're talking about the Chinese takeout? What twenty twenty five
dollars reaty The dollars for whatever you're gonna get, entree, appetizer, whatever,
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and then the service charge at least is gonna be
five ten. It's gonna be at least ten dollars in
San Francisco at nine o'clock. Yeah, so you might be
paying fifty bucks for the Chinese takeout and then you
decide to go and give one hundred dollars over to her.
There's gotta be a point when you are filling the
pinch here that you shouldn't feel ashamed about the fact that, hey,
time's a little bit tough. I'm only gonna send this
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bunch right now, and I hope you could just figure
out a way to go and get the rest for yourself,
because I'll tell you you can do that, and I
think it gonna be some women that might be a
little bit understanding, because the other thing, too is you
got to be able to fill throughout the girls you're
with if they're at the point where I mean, this
guy just sounded like he just wanted to make sure
that she was just like, Okay, leave me alone here,
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I send it done. But if you sit to yourself,
if you could take the test and say, baby, you
know I'm only gonna be able to send this bunch,
and just if it's a little less than what she's expecting,
is she gonna be understanding? Is she going to be
meaniable and say, okay, you know what, Yeah, I'll make
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up the rest. That's okay, baby, don't worry about it.
And then I think about the fact that, okay, then
you realize, okay, this girl's being understanding. She's got a
little patience on her. She might not expect you to
go and do that every time. You're not gonna try
to be, you know, liver really cheap. But if you've
spent on her significantly, and then you decide, okay, you
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know what, after a while, you're not gonna always just
spend a certain amount that the expectation can't just be
out there all the time. If times are tough, then
you say to yourself, you know what, baby, I'm only
gonna able to send you this much right now. You know,
I need some money to come in. Because that's the
excuse you gotta say, like, listen, you need money to
come in. It's not like you don't have money. I'm sure,
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because if you try to go and say you don't
have money. The girl's gonna believe you're lying, So you
just gotta say, I don't have money coming in. There's
certain money not coming in. I want you for some
new money to come in, so all I can send
you this much right now because I gotta feel other
things to come up. Got some bills, got some other
things are gonna take care of I got some deals.
I gotta wait the gun pan out, but I'm gonna
go and take care of you. So just like, just
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be patient with me. And the truth is, if the
girl buckles back at you and she gets upset that
you don't send out a certain amount and she wants
to drop out, let her, she just gave you the
way out, the exit strategy. And then the one thing
is about the fact that if she gets upset and
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has a hissy fit and runs away and it just
drops off ghosts you. You know what will happen is
you're actually going to get her to come back. Do
you want to keep things exciting and interesting? You need
to go and play a little bit of the trickery
here to realize how much is this sugar baby invested
in you? Because remember, at the end of the day,
in a sugar relationship. You want to make sure you're
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feeling that there's some romantic needs being met, some kind
of feeling of that you are being wanted, you are
being loved, and you know that you're being satisfied that
you're getting someone out of this. Because you got to
be able to get return on investment. Something's got to
come out of that. And again we're not getting any
real return on investment at all doing this. If you're
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a sugar daddy, so you got to get something, something
out of it. And if she wants to get her
nails done, why don't she just just get you know,
you send an app like you go and PayPal cash
app at Venmo. Why doesn't she come over? I mean
that's the other thing too. You know, you can do
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something where hey, I'm going to take out what just
come on over. But then she could probably say, well
maybe you should have a car. She'll ask you to
uber over. There could be just some other costs along
with that, but that's the first part of all this.
So now, this guy here, this tennis coach, said he
never planned on becoming a sugar daddy, but a female
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friend texted him a picture of herself treading on dresses
in a story and asked which one to get. I said, oh,
I'll buy you whichever one you want. He's a simp,
so he said it like that. She didn't believe him,
but her phone lit up with Venmo and then conversations
turned steamy. First time was extraordinarily hot. So they had sex,
and he enjoyed it, and there was something about her
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excitement and responsiveness, and I found myself eager to give
more and get more. So capitalism has created such dire
conditions to the power of money was sexual nature, right,
because now you know there are women that are definitely
motivated by money. But the thing is, you can't just
be in a relationship thinking you're gonna go into is actionable.
You have to make it a quid pro quo. You
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have to make it where you're getting something for something.
It's got to be something of value to you that
takes care of you. So he created multiple sugar relationships
and the same kind of thing. The thing is, you
don't go right into like a I'll just buy it
for you. I mean, if he's got the money for it,
I guess then he could just like use that line
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and he's going to answer sex because that's the only
reason he could have done that. Because if they're talking
about dress shopping, he happened to be there and he says,
i'll buy it for you. He is basically sitting to
the girl, number one, you're going to have sex with me,
and number two, that's the only reason you're gonna get
the dress, and you should buy the dress for him
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for him to enjoy you in right. And then it's
also he's to choose the dress, choose to see it
on you, choose to see it on you when you
get together, choose to take it off of you when
you have sex. So if he's dropping that kind of
line on you, you can't just assume, Oh, he's just
gonna buy it for me, and then I don't expect anything.
He's not gonna expect a need to return, No, unless
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he's a simp, which that guy could have been, but
it just sounded like simp talk right there. But the
truth is, to me, the fact that he actually says
that right away the first time was extraordinally hot. Yep.
That means they got right into talking, they got right
into god in the bedroom. So he's getting what he
wants from it. And it was as simple as him
buying a dress for a girl to impress, and then
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he got to take it off and do his thing.
So compared to the time instance of hassle of modern dating,
he felt it was way to get his needs met. Quote,
I'm ultimately successful because I worked ten the fourteen hours
a day. I'm saving time by just being like, I
need you to send me a picture of your butt,
and then an I want your emotional support. We get
schedule a time to talk. But his income took a hit.
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Layoffs industry show, the industry slowed down. It's tense economic
rap backdrop and tennis clients can't afford his coaching anymore.
And the kind of things that these sugar babies would
ask him for, he obviously had a particular high maintenance
type that he was going after. I wouldn't go after
these kind of girls myself, but he did. Obviously he
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was able to go and do that because of his status.
Now requests from the sugar babies, remember, he gets nothing
from this. Nails, shoes, flights three thousand dollars are undergrounde tickets.
He calls it unethical non monogamy, not because they went
sexual exclusivity, but he felt forced to choose between whom
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to send money to to turn to cook on account
of as long ours, he would skip his frequent door
dash habit to keep up. He's like, why am I
starving myself for this? Sex is important in my life,
but it shouldn't take presents over me eating. Correct. The
thing is, there's the money that you have, that's your
discretional spending that you normally use on everything. Okay, I
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should have like a budget of what you're going to
spend regularly, and then you have the money that you
have a side to go and play with a certain
amount of play money. This guy should not be giving
up his normal revetay routine. Now. The thing is for him,
it's a frequent door dash habit or grub hub habit. So, okay,
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you're not replacing it with cooking or anything like that yourself.
You're still going out and going out and having food
and just going out for takeout, like if you were
to replace it, I mean, before you decide to go
and just start cutting out and starving. No, you can
go ahead and make an adjustment. But he didn't want
to do that because he's working at ten to fourteen
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hours a day. I get it. I get it. He
talks about that I want the G six lifestyle, but
I can afford delta economy class. Now, when women had
the illusional idea of sugar daddies, which is where they
go on these sites, okay, whether it's seeking or sugar
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book or seat or what is it a sugar babies
or you know, established mail, whatever there is, there's all
these other sites. Okay, sugar daddy meat. The images are
a penthouse's caviar. Private justices are like multi billionaires or billionaires. No,
most sugar daddies, in a matter of fact of twenty
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twenty five are mid career professionals with some disposable income,
but not so much that money is no object. Correct
with inflation, skyrocketing rents and a perpetually looming recession, women
who see financials secure, men who've seen financials secure really
have had the cume back women that might have been
financially secure. That's not happening so much anymore because women
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have how much more go to try to go ahead
and live the lifestyle they have, maintain their beauty, maintain
their presence, their status, are attire, and then try to
go along because not as practical or appliable or meaniable
as men do are. Okay, we're just more efficient and
more frugal. As a matter of fact, we're just this
way we're built. That's how we operate. So men, now,
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if they don't have that disposable income as much, then
they have to go ahead make adjustments. So if you're
seeing that, ladies, if you have a sugar daddy around you,
you need to keep them and to account right now
because times are not as good as they once were.
And you know when other people that are affluent don't
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want to spend so much money. You could tell when
you see not as many people going out to the
restaurants are bars on a regular basis. They're kind of
spending you see now coming up for the holidays. Okay,
who's all going out for Halloween? Who's going out for
Thanksgiving or New Year's or Christmas and all that stuff? Like?
You got to think about the fact that how many
people these go out dating, how often are restaurants open
and very bustling in the middle of the week, how
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the tourist season is right now? Because let me do
it right now, South Florida, I can see you right now,
tourist seasons should be starting at this moment October fifteenth
up until April. It's not started yet. I can tell
you that by being in the service industry, you'll realize
if things are picking up or not. If the restaurants
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are picking up, you're getting a lot of food, orders're
getting everything else. If you've got people that are actually
ordering out a lot. And also by the type of
tips they're giving out for those service workers doing Uber, Doordasher,
grub Hub, you don't know, but if they're not putting
out more than a dollar tip or something wrong. Now
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they talk to Morgan, who's a mid twenties escort former
sugar baby, saying that there's a shit to what clients expect.
Quote they want the full girlfriend experience, but for less.
She's now offering a client a payment plan. Is the
cost of living crisis that he's trying to negotiate, Okay,
another try to negotiate with her. Another're asking for kind
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of rate and then sulk when she had to leave
his chosen date an ecstatic dance class sound tracked by
chaias my neck my back to see another client quote,
he should have gotten more for his money because he's
not like a rich finance bro. But I'm not doing
it on a sliding scale. He calls himself an anti
capitalist writer, but I think he just really means he
doesn't have a lot of money. So there are reddit
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forms out there, one like sugar Relationship that babies are
commensdating about clients who fill the value of their time
them s splend the daddies or andssalt daddies. Oh my goodness,
that's crazy. Another person writing, well, we went from versace
bags to freaking beats by doctor dre mind you is
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by effing birthday, I wanted a trip to the Philippines.
So over the years, sugar babies have been less stigmatized,
more mainstream. You have buzzwords like provider mindset and high
value woman. As I've been on this show talking about
we've absolutely had have a rise in sugar babies more
than ever in the last ten years. You see a
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prominent part of that, and to some of that extent,
some of those women that don't want not want to
be sugar babies. They're only fans models because that's the
prey that the Bocher' sized style. They live to be
able to make a living instead of going in the
old fashion where where they go to a strip club
go grinding a pole. They're not doing that anymore. If
they can make it easy on themselves, they're going to
find a way. We also know the rise of findom
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or financial domination. We talked about that's on the program.
I've been talking about that since when I'm not podcasting
days on TikTok. You see stay at home girlfriends or
a self procraimed mattress actress glamorizing their soft lifestyle, luxury vacations,
penthouse suites, and more. Women expect financial compensation for their
partners outside the strict boundaries of sex work. So does
it embalance in the market. Want to give sugar daddies
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more freedom to low ball? Well, I'll tell you what too.
For those women that also don't find those jobs that
are just real cush. Okay, So they might have gotten
a degree and they find some cush job. They're kind
of just like being daycare. They're like eight hours at
a job, a couple of emails that send out, but
they're enjoying machas and lattes and you know, grabbing lunch
and you know, just relaxed atmosphere, come with me as
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I go work, and they're not really working at all.
They're just kind of just lax. Just like there's not
that many of those jobs right now anymore. As the
ver much as is, there's not that many sugar NAIs
out there that are living out the lifestyle. I mean,
I can imagine the travel industry is taking a hit
right now for people are going out, and I mean,
I wonder how many people are really going out on
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flights right now and really going out in the jetsity
lifestyle that's not a business lifestyle. Just keeping that point. Sabrina,
a longtime sex worker in Canada, less sugaring for strip
club work. She says the men aren't as generous as
they were before. They expected a lot more for a
lot less, and as the senders get lower, I'm seeing
a lot of girls just accepted we're not unionized, we
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don't really have a choice. And so this is the
one that also said she wanted toh to the Philippines,
saying that when she didn't get all that she wanted,
normally expecting a luxury vacation, a Michelin Star dinner, and
a designer bag, she found a pair of headphones. Probably
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the beats by Dre are good headphones. Okay, the earbuds
are really good. She wanted a trip to the Philippines.
I wonder if she's from the Philippines, but we don't
know that. Here quote unquote, all the sugar daddies have
dried up, prices are getting higher, and sex is getting cheaper.
It's a tragedy. He talked to another guy that was
thinking about the fact that he gave up having a
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pet at home because he wanted to go ahead and
find something else that with his money, time and attention.
So he says that this guy Jay, as a fairly
high income doesn't come for money, but costs is certainly
a factor. He's a married sugar daddy, so he can
take breaks and build a preserve of money of what
I want to do with. But I would need to
be in a much higher income bracket if I was
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trying to somebody at my back and call. Now. He
says that all relationships are transactional some way. They're just
making the implicit parts explicit For other daddies. Paper meat
dates pay per meat provide a way to fulfill specific fantasies.
Be with more beautiful women or get a leg up
in a hostile dating market. Well, and there's one thing
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at the end of the day that for the guys,
if they're looking at escorts of sugar daddies, I need
to break this to you. But guys, you know this.
There are a lot of beautiful women of a very
high end of beauty that are the ones working in
these particular areas. They are looking for sugar daddies, they
are looking for es, they are escorting, or they might
be you know, in some place where you can find them.
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And you know they're only looking to be transactional. So
as long as you make sure you keep it transactional,
as long as you make sure that you're not getting
yourself caught up in them, then you need to always
really realize. I mean, you can have some feelings, I guess,
but at any time, if you've got to be able
to feel the need to exit and break out, you will.
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And you need to be able to put your foot
down if you can't handle the demand that this girl
has from you, because if you're doing her well, what
happens is she will demand and then she will gauge
what kind of demand she can get from you how
oft is she can get from you, and then she
will try to increase it, and you need to be
smart enough to realize, you know what, you need to
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have a rotation, a stable if you're a sugar sugar
daddy and just say, you know what, no, no, I'm
not gonna let her go and do this. She's not
gonna roll over me. You can easily just drop her
and just you know, you don't need to go and
make any kind of justification as to why you don't
need to go and go through the relationship style where
like you have to justify the relationship and make it
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a point where look, this is the reasons we have
to break it off. No, you just break it off.
You have to. He says, I'm in with models, people
who pulls her payboy all severy day girls who are
better looking than what I get on the dating scene. Correct.
The other part is that there's the appeal of sugaring
is wrapped up in anxieties about masculinity. Dating as a
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man already comes at a high price point, not just
for the cost of dates, but the numerous dating as
subscriptions it takes to get that date to cover you
pay for nightclubs and hopes of getting meeting someone, which
you know, the nightclub scene is not even worse because
it's all bottle service. There's all dance club you're spending
right now parking, the admission to get inside, and the
drinks which are completely overpriced, all of it. I mean,
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I was telling somebody the other day about the clubs
used to have, you know, in West Palm Beach, and
I'm saying to myself, Okay, we can go to Club
Sofari and the PGA Marriott PJ Boulevard if all of
you know, you know, and you pay three dollars to
get in, parking is free, you get into, the drinks
are probably like three to five bucks for wall drinks.
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You're getting drunk. You get out there, you're there till
two in the morning. Then you go to Flirts that's
down in West Palm and on Okeetoby Boulevard West. You
go there and you know, no cover, and the drinks
are like five bucks each. Not even that. You got
a food tricks ding out front. You want to go
and get a burger, gets them, get a hot dog,
get whatever you know, sasage peppers, whatever it is. And
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the drinks are flowing till five in the morning, and
all the girls will be everywhere because they would make
sure ladies' night was full and until And the point
was that you made sure that the girls came in free.
It's the guys, you're paying everything. We're covering for the
women because we want the women there in the droves.
And that's how it used to work. These days not
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even close. And then the fact that I still see
the point of some women now nightclubs are just strip
clubs because the strip clubs are down more than nightclubs
because they've taken on that lifestyle. And the women know
the barriers to entry to get in there, from the
parking to the two treat minimum, to the cover to
the payments that the money that have they put down
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to the women on a regular basis. They just can't
be talking to the girl well they want to talk to.
They have to keep spending money on the entertainment because
that's what's expected or the manager kicks you out. So
the limited time you have in there, you have to
keep spending and spending and spending. You are a constant
ATM machine while you're in there. No, and the women
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don't think about the fact of how much yea, that
these guys have to spend on dates or whatever they
could care less. Sugaring, by comparison, is a reliable expense
you can budget around. So women looking for that provider
mindset make a similar argument between wage gaps and keep
them with beauty standards. It takes a lot of effort
and money to be a desirable date, right, So part
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of it is you are putting money into the investment
because you are getting the beautiful girl that you want,
because she's keeping yourself together, in good shape, with the
right makeup, the right hair, this and that. But then again,
I gotta say there's something to be said about if
you can find a woman that is going to be
a sugar baby for you, I would have more than not.
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You're gonna find a girl that is more than natural
and looks really good without makeup as well, doesn't really
need much makeup to put herself together. And those are
the ones that you really are trying to go ahead
and vouch for. You're trying to go after anyway, because
if you are going after a girl that is just
going through okay bbl and once fake eyelashes and the
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hairs not hers and extensions and all this other stuff,
all these extrasensories that are all just it's not real,
you know, it's just it creates an illusion of the
women that had delusion. No, you don't want that now,
the tennis coach, we'll go back to him. He internalized
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the message that wealth was her first classic of the
romantic success. His dad would always point at bald men
with a beautifulman to say, you only get there if
you have money. When I got older, i'd see dating
hat prompts that were like, if you're balding, don't swap swipe.
If you're under six feet, don't swipe. If you don't
make X money, don't swipe. You know. I was like, oh,
these things are real. Real. So he thought if skipping
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meals wasn't enough to change his mind about being a
sugar daddy, there was a point where sugar Baby goes
to him after taking his money, and he said, quote,
it made me realize that everybody in this dynamic is
trying to survive financially. But people aren't able to have
a good faith connection in my any realm, even when
the money thing that's connecting you. Yes, the trust factor
is a big issue, and we're going to keep it
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there because the trust issue is a big problem. Now.
He goes on to say, here, this tennis coach, I
remember seeing some meme of some dominantrics being like, I
know we're about to hit a recession because all my
fin subs don't want to give me money right now.
And when the people get turned on by paying don't
want to do it, that's a bad sign. So we'll
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get in the moment into these stories about sugar dating
right now everywhere else here and abroad. Well, there's one
story we got to talk about first in Canada that
is quite interesting because you need to be careful of
what you're doing if you're going to be in the
sugar dating space. British Columbia Superior Court this week as
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awarded to a twenty three year old who met her
sugardaddy on a dating website in twenty twenty during COVID.
She's now on top of the four thousand dollars a
month in spousal support. Yeah, she's now getting interim spousal
support from a wealthy seventy seven year old sugar daddy
she met online. So Jada Jane Bikar and Alexander Morto
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met On seeking arrangement in late twenty twenty. In the
highly unusual matrimonial action heard in British Columbia Supreme Court
in Vancouver, Canada, both accused the other of starting the
quote relatively brief and tumultuous relationship for predatory purposes. The
couple began living together in March twenty twenty one, married
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in twenty twenty three of April, separated November twenty twenty four.
No children, so Bakarr asked for interim spousal support and
the production of financial documents for Morde, who claims she
claim earns two point four to five million dollars based
on his lifestyle and spending habits. The judge awarded the
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interim support roughly a third of what she was seeking.
She was asking for twelve thousand dollars a month at
a retroactive payment of spousal support for the eight months
since the couple separated, totally one hundred thousand, four hundred dollars,
but the court gave her four thousand a month and
a lump some of just under forty thousand dollars. Wow
other requests She had was that she would be paid
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seventeen thousand dollars for to continue to pay tuition for
foreign fashion schools she attends online, and three thousand dollars
for orthodonic treatment. They were both rejected. Morta denied earning
as much as Bikar claimed, says he's been retired for
many years and Report's own modest income and his opulate
lifestyle was financed by selling off capital assets from time
to time, so he said the spousal support should be
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tied to income rather than capital, and the judge agreed
with the assertion that Ms Bakarr was improperly seeking in
advance of future division of assets and the guise of
interim spousal support, but that her financial needs could be
met by working, seeking support from her wealthy family, or
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by selling the many expensive gifts he gave her during
the relationship. So he's trying to get away around it,
but you know, he got himself married. Dumb idea now.
But Car based her requests on interim support because Mortal
had encouraged her to spend ten thousand dollars a month
on her own rental accommodation at his expense. He took
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her traveling and regularly gave her expensive guests and as jewelry,
watches and handbags. They frequently dined together an expensive restaurants.
And right now she's not working, no source of income.
That's not good. She was studying anthropology at University of
British Columbia and be Car said Mortal discouraged her from
working and that Morto persuaded her to change careers and
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a role at a fashion school in Istanbul in Turkey,
but since she has refused to continue funding her tuition
since the break up, he was a refusing to excuse me.
So he's also was like contributing to the delinquency of
this minor, of this this girl you know, because she
is thinking like a young girl and just fall along
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with it. So some of the kind of capital assets
he was selling off, according to the funds he owns
a limited fund and the Mortal Principal Residence Trust. He
has financed his lavish spending by selling off capital assets,
which includes three homes in Vancouver and Burnaby that sold
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for seven hundred and thirty seven thousand, six hundred and
fifty nine thousand, six hundred and forty six thousand and
twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. So yeah, almost
two million dollars in capital assets. Wow, and through a
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shareholder a loan based on those sales. It was drowned
down to under over seven some hundred thousand dollars in
the past few years, and the mortal still has considerable assets.
He has a West convenict of her home at four
point seventy five million dollars and a property in a
Rubba worth one point two eight million. Yeah, this girl
hit the jackpot. This guy had money invested, so the homes,
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the trusts, he now has other things that he has
around where the kind of lifestyle she was living, she
was gonna get whatever she could because they decided to
get married. She had already been living opulately for a
few years before we returning to not having the kind
of status that she had before. Since separation, she had
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a claim that those monthly expenses she had over twelve
thousand dollars Pambas on a range over she longer owns,
ran over three thousand dollars though she's not renting, and
visits to Cosmetic for cosmetics and for salons at thirteen
hundred and fifty dollars a month combined so the judge
decided that miss Piccarr's needs can be met on a
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budget much more modest, with her ability to support herself
in part through part time work or the other means
available to her. She ordered that mister Morto contribute to
a reduced budget, paying the interim spousal support four thousand
dollars per month. And then Morto in this case also
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was trying to get the family dog together, a dog
named Frankie, which they got together in twenty twenty one
for emotional support during a psychiatric crisis. He wanted to
return to him, but the car will get to you
to have the dog. Horrible this. You have to watch
out for yourself. You can't get yourself caught up in
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these kind of things. So the kind of woman that
you're with. This guy made a huge mistake. I don't
care how much money he had, he picked the wrong
woman and the fact that he has had to go
ahead and get to the point of spending so much
on her, to the point of the lifestyle that she
was living and he was never gonna get rid of her.
Tell you what, man, just that's pretty tough. So what
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about sugar dating here and abroad? We're gonna wrap up
with that part because if you're asking yourself where to
go Miami. New Times recently put out a story about
where to meet a sugar daddy in Miami, and they
go through the ideas and say that you know, right now,
Miami is the only fans capital of the United States.
Swinking hotel bars become established for pickup spots for high
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end escorts, and of course there's always what Miami's Upper
East Side was back in the early two thousands. So
if you want to go ahead and find sugar daddies,
all your sugar babies out here, you need to be
in the two hundred level at hard Rocks. Yes, the
club club level, so if you're going too a Dolphins game,
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you'll run into plenty of season. To get suite owners,
you just need to make sure to spot the hosts
versus one of the hangers on, see who they're all
sucking up to, and then ask if he needs a
head cheerleader for his fantasy league. The Champagne Bar at
the Surf Club in Surfside on Collins Avenue. If there's
a champagne bar, they're named the best hotel bar of
twenty twenty five. That's the spot that they talk about.
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The Fountain Blue Avion at Opa Laca Airport. It's an
FBO or fixed based operation, an airport terminal for private planes,
and its grounds are for the most sought after sugar
daddies for obvious reasons, given the Fountain Blue name, which
does not translate the tables that live, but it might.
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Then you talk about the living room at Faena and
Miami Beach on Collins Avenue, the first United States outposts
of the Argentine hotel brand. You go there and plenty
of non sugar daddy babies love coming here for the
opolance setting, a live jazz or stop for before after dinner,
but you're here for the salt and pepper gentleman at
the bar with a string of ex wives and an
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Amex black card. There's the Paradise Plaza at the Miami
Design District. They mentioned the service center at the Collection,
which is the car dealer that runs and offers Lamborghinis
or ferraris the wdning room for an expensive stestistician. That's
another place you can also look. So those are the areas.
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Now what about if you're a broad well one country,
you might want to be weary of and be careful of.
You can think about doing that, say in Dominican Republic,
in Columbia, Venezuela, Philippines, Short Thailand, but Singapore different story.
Sugar Book has come into renewed scrutiny. That's a website
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that there is a lot of sugardaddis and sugar babies
on it. There's a lot of court cases of following
sugar dating relate arrangements. And now we have an issue
in Singapore about this. Over a month ago, a twenty
three year old woman sentenced to the eleven months in
jail for cheating a man that she met through sugar Book.
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She agreed this lady named Chang Way Chain agreed to
meet this guy in sex for sex and exchange for
four dollars American, so I mean four dollars Singapore or
three hundred and twelve dollars American, but did not go
through with it and took eighty one hundred dollars from
him after presenting to be underage. We talked about the
story before. Well then not long ago we brought this
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story up to you here on the program. And now
earlier this month, another one made a false rape report.
After a dispute with the man she been on the platform,
Clarice Leeming Rui, twenty years old, asked the forty three
year old man to pay her twelve hundred dollars Singapore,
but refused and only paid five hundred. In retaliation, she
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called the police and led about that she had been raped.
So two stories about two women on sugar Book that
met in the Philippines and the woman being penalized for it.
Now in the same vein there are men that have
been jailed for paying underage girls they met on sugar
Book for sex. One forty two year old sentenced to
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one and a half years in jail for paying a
sixteen year old sugar baby for sex. And then another
man thirty nine years old jailed for sexual penetration of
a fifteen year old girl and filled me in the
act without consent. Now, they didn't say how long he
was charged, but he should have been charged for a
long time for that kind of thing. That's just sick.
Legal age of consent is sixteen, but it's a defense
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to have commercial sex with anyone under eighteen. Keep that
in mind. You should know these things. Sex with a
person under fourteen is rape. Sex with someone under sixteen
would be considered sexual penetration for a minor an offense
under the Women's Charter. Very interesting to find all these
things that are going on in Singapore. And by the way,
sugar Book requires users to confirm their eighteen year olds
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at registration. These are Amazon Web services are for official
intelligence for age checks and verified phone numbers in facial verification.
But I guess that's not enough. Wow, that is weird,
wild stuff. Sugar babies and what to deal with now?
I mean, is it worth still going through? I guess.
(40:38):
I mean, I think it's gonna be happening much more
than you would imagine, because guys still want to go
and get something from it, and maybe that the relationships
you don't want that consistent, consistent, having the gonna spend
so go transaction, find a girl, the hookup, when the
women with them, and then a little bit praise and
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